The Charlie Kirk Show - May 09, 2023


A Racial Reparations Reckoning with Libby Emmons and Julie Kelly


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Libby Emmons of the Post Millennial and Human Events joins us to talk about California's plan for $800 billion in race-based reparations for the slave states that existed at the time of California s entrance into the union.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:03.000 This is Andrew Colvett, executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show, filling in for Charlie Kirk one more time.
00:00:09.000 And boy, is it an honor.
00:00:10.000 I got to speak with Libby Emmons in this episode, editor-in-chief of the post-millennial and human events.
00:00:18.000 One of the absolute force of nature in conservative media and really just honest media.
00:00:22.000 There doesn't need to be any more qualifiers than that.
00:00:25.000 And we talk about reparations.
00:00:28.000 Ooh, California is doing some weird, weird things per usual, but this is even weirder.
00:00:34.000 It really needs to be exposed for just how insane it is.
00:00:36.000 And then we talked with Julie Kelly from American Greatness about the Proud Boys trial that happened last Thursday.
00:00:45.000 They were convicted.
00:00:46.000 What does it mean for President Trump?
00:00:49.000 And was he set up?
00:00:50.000 Was President Trump set up?
00:00:52.000 We go through a really fascinating chronology there that you're not going to want to miss because I bet you haven't heard it yet.
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00:01:45.000 Libby Emmons, editor-in-chief of the post-millennial, is joining us, an absolute force in nature in the conservative movement, conservative media.
00:01:53.000 Libby, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:55.000 Hey, Andrew, thanks so much.
00:01:57.000 Well, thank you for being here.
00:01:58.000 So we're going to be talking about California reparations, near $800 billion, just got approved by this committee.
00:02:07.000 I want to tie it into what's happening with Jordan Neely in New York City and the subways there.
00:02:13.000 And then just to make it all more interesting, I want to talk about how this ties in with 2024.
00:02:19.000 So no small task here before us.
00:02:21.000 We've got a mere 15 minutes to get through all this, but it's going to be exciting with you, Libby.
00:02:26.000 So break down what's happening in California.
00:02:30.000 What the heck are they thinking?
00:02:32.000 I mean, they have a $22.5 billion deficit, if I'm not mistaken, right now.
00:02:37.000 $22.5 billion.
00:02:39.000 And they just want to give away $800 billion.
00:02:41.000 Am I reading this right?
00:02:42.000 Yeah.
00:02:43.000 So Gavin Newsom put together this task force for reparations in 2021.
00:02:47.000 I can't help but think that he was majorly influenced by the whole George Floyd situation at that time, which was, as we all remember, fiery but peaceful.
00:02:57.000 So this reparations board has come out and they have determined that reparations, yes, are indeed necessary.
00:03:04.000 Race-based redistribution of wealth is entirely necessary, they say. 0.57
00:03:09.000 And they've approved 1.2 million per up to 1.2 million per eligible black person in the state of California.
00:03:19.000 Watched our group said that this is something like 800 billion in costs.
00:03:24.000 Meanwhile, California was not a slave state.
00:03:28.000 It was a free state when it entered the union.
00:03:31.000 So I don't know why California thinks that it's their responsibility to make reparations for the slave states that existed at the time of California's entrance.
00:03:42.000 Not to interrupt you, Libby, but like, what does it matter if you were a slave state? 0.75
00:03:46.000 Nobody alive today owns slaves and nobody alive today was a slave.
00:03:52.000 I mean, unless they are being smuggled across the border or something. 0.89
00:03:56.000 It's just a ridiculous idea. 0.98
00:03:58.000 On top of everything else, it makes it more ridiculous. 0.99
00:04:01.000 So, Gavin Newsom is already ridiculous. 0.87
00:04:04.000 This entire reparations board, and you see these people on the news sitting in nice places, wearing nice clothes, talking about how oppressed they are. 0.72
00:04:11.000 And then it turns out, on top of everything else, California has absolutely no liability in the history of slavery.
00:04:17.000 So, that by itself just angers me even more.
00:04:21.000 It makes me more annoyed about this whole thing.
00:04:23.000 But, what this is, is a race-based redistribution of wealth, as I said before.
00:04:29.000 And this is not something that America should stand by and accept, no matter what the race is of the people who claim to be oppressed.
00:04:38.000 It's absolutely insane to take money from people who have earned it and give it to other people for no other reason than the color of their skin.
00:04:46.000 And as you said, yes, no one alive today was enslaved.
00:04:51.000 People are descended from people who were enslaved, but most white people in the United States weren't even here during the time of slavery anyway.
00:05:01.000 I'm pretty sure.
00:05:02.000 My immigrant ancestors came here 100 years ago.
00:05:06.000 So, what are we even talking about?
00:05:07.000 Whose money are we trying to take and give it to who?
00:05:10.000 Yeah, this is a great point you're making, actually.
00:05:12.000 I mean, and I kind of have a similar ancestry.
00:05:15.000 I have some that go all the way back, but I have a lot of my ancestors, you know, came in the 1880s, 1890s.
00:05:22.000 I had a great grandpa that came in like the, I think, the teens or the 20s.
00:05:28.000 I mean, so none of this stuff makes any logical sense.
00:05:31.000 And I don't think that's the point.
00:05:32.000 And I think you're hitting, you're hitting at the deeper issue here, and that is that they will use an ideological pretzel.
00:05:38.000 They will twist themselves into an ideological pretzel in order to achieve their end.
00:05:43.000 So, it doesn't matter what the justification is.
00:05:44.000 It doesn't matter if it's correct.
00:05:46.000 If it doesn't matter if it's slavery, right?
00:05:48.000 Insert cause here.
00:05:49.000 If it's not slavery, they're going to go to redlining, right? 0.83
00:05:51.000 And as a matter of fact, I have a clip that suggests that.
00:05:54.000 It's kind of a longer clip, cut 16, cue it up for us.
00:05:57.000 We might pull it in a second.
00:05:59.000 But the point is that they want this racial redistribution of wealth because they hate whiteness.
00:06:06.000 I mean, I think that's ultimately what this is.
00:06:08.000 And that's why there's so many of us on the right that are scratching our heads and saying this is patently absurd on its face.
00:06:15.000 Yet you guys are this committee for reparations.
00:06:18.000 You're just going to rubber stamp this stuff and you're going to put a 2024 potential hopeful in a very interesting position, which is kind of why I want to tie that in in the next segment.
00:06:29.000 But Libby, you know, okay, here we go.
00:06:33.000 Let's play Cut 16.
00:06:34.000 I want to get your response to it.
00:06:35.000 Cut 16.
00:06:37.000 How do you qualify for it, though?
00:06:38.000 Because there obviously are people who perhaps have just moved into California.
00:06:43.000 They wouldn't be eligible, would they?
00:06:44.000 Or would they?
00:06:46.000 Well, what they've done here with this particular measure that I looked at, that they have tried to tie it into particular things.
00:06:52.000 So, for example, if you lived in California for a set amount of years and you could have theoretically been redlined, which was an act done by the Housing Department, which discriminated against communities, you could receive money if you have been arrested within a certain range of years.
00:07:08.000 You could have been a victim of mass incarceration, Incarceration, so to speak.
00:07:11.000 I mean, the criteria for this is so sloppy.
00:07:14.000 It's so unrefined.
00:07:15.000 And frankly, it's so downright shameful that I'm not entirely sure, you know, how they can justify this themselves.
00:07:22.000 So you heard the logic.
00:07:25.000 It's the red line, which I predicted, but I did not predict that if you had been the victim, the victim, now we're talking about the gaslighting of the American people.
00:07:34.000 If you've been the victim of mass incarceration, Libby.
00:07:39.000 Yeah, again, if you were incarcerated, you have served your time to society and nothing further should be asked of you because of that, nor should you be asking anything further from anyone else unless you actually were innocent, in which case there are ways to go about, you know, getting your record expunged or what have you and people sue about that.
00:08:00.000 But that's not even what we're talking about.
00:08:02.000 We're talking about, not at all.
00:08:04.000 No, we're talking about taking money from one group of people and giving it to another group of people based entirely on their skin color, as though these people are the victims just across the board of everything.
00:08:18.000 And this is, of course, such a huge problem in our society right now, this grievance culture, this need to declare your level of oppression, this need to say that you have been victimized, to cross your arms over your chest and demand that people pay attention to you in exactly the appropriate way that you want them to pay attention to you.
00:08:35.000 And it's not reasonable.
00:08:36.000 The level of pride that goes into demanding that everyone else treat you a certain way and bow down to the things that you have experienced in your life is just absurd and it's anti-American.
00:08:49.000 And we should all know this, right?
00:08:52.000 America is a country where you have people coming here looking for a better life, looking to earn a living, raise their children in a free place without a lot of constraints.
00:09:03.000 And this is the kind of thing that is getting in the way of that.
00:09:06.000 And what I think too, I mean, we're not talking really about immigration, but as we look at the masses of illegal immigrants lining up at the border trying to get in, we have a progressive left demanding that all these people be let in so that they can have a better life, but also saying that the United States is so horribly, miserably racist that it's dangerous for black people to walk in. 0.79
00:09:29.000 And brown people. 0.95
00:09:30.000 And brown people.
00:09:31.000 Yes, of course.
00:09:32.000 I have a pretty good tan.
00:09:33.000 I'm just, you know, I don't know if they men in dresses and everybody else.
00:09:37.000 You know, but it's just insane.
00:09:39.000 Like, why the cognitive dissonance that we see going on, the lack of logical thinking is mind-boggling.
00:09:47.000 And it's hard to even express it sometimes.
00:09:49.000 Look out at this.
00:09:50.000 I mean, talk about what we're experiencing.
00:09:52.000 Talk about cognitive dissonance.
00:09:53.000 I'm going to throw this image up.
00:09:55.000 This is a USA Today caption.
00:09:58.000 Jordan Neely, who obviously died after being subdued in a chokehold on a New York City subway.
00:10:04.000 This is how USA Today describes him.
00:10:06.000 A beloved subway performer grew up in a family of musicians who want him to be remembered as a human being, a family lawyer said.
00:10:14.000 This is the gaslighting of America.
00:10:15.000 I mean, this is absolutely insane.
00:10:17.000 The guy punched a 64-year-old grandma, attempted to kidnap a seven-year-old girl in a subway.
00:10:24.000 And this is the way the media addresses him.
00:10:28.000 Libby, 10 seconds, then we'll get it on the other side of the break.
00:10:30.000 What does this tell you about our mainstream news media?
00:10:34.000 It shows us that they have never actually ridden a New York City subway.
00:10:37.000 No subway performer is beloved.
00:10:39.000 We all hate that.
00:10:41.000 It's terrible.
00:10:41.000 You don't want the acrobats.
00:10:43.000 You don't want the people begging for money.
00:10:45.000 It's awful.
00:10:46.000 Libby, you guys were one of the first outlets that I saw yesterday.
00:10:50.000 And I actually saw that Charlie tweeted this link, but here you have it from the post-millennial.
00:10:54.000 Full footage reveals former Marine Daniel Penny putting Jordan Neely in recovery position, passengers complimenting him.
00:11:03.000 You know, this is graphic footage, folks, but it's important because what you have here is you have AOC and her ilk wanting to stoke a race riot.
00:11:12.000 They're taking over the subway system in New York City.
00:11:15.000 And yet here, this footage, and we didn't play the audio because it's hard to hear, but just believe us that there are fellow passengers complimenting the former Maureen Penny for his handling of the situation.
00:11:27.000 And you actually will see in this footage that...
00:11:32.000 Neely is still moving and they are trying to resuscitate him or bring him back to consciousness.
00:11:37.000 I mean, they keep saying, oh, he's going to be fine.
00:11:38.000 He's going to be fine.
00:11:39.000 He just needs to kind of get his air back.
00:11:41.000 What do you make of this?
00:11:42.000 And Libby, how did you get this so quickly?
00:11:45.000 I mean, you guys were so fast on this footage.
00:11:47.000 Yeah, so actually we did not find the footage.
00:11:50.000 It was found by misinformed Milwaukee, who are really close friends of ours.
00:11:54.000 And Sean Frasik is the one who found it.
00:11:57.000 It occurred to him to go looking for a Spanish language post about it.
00:12:03.000 And so that's where he found it.
00:12:04.000 It was a Spanish language post on Facebook.
00:12:06.000 He sent it over to us and we wrote it up right away.
00:12:09.000 Tremendous.
00:12:11.000 Yeah.
00:12:11.000 So that's how we ended up with it.
00:12:14.000 I think it's important to note when you look at this footage that and what happened to Mr. Neely, it's really important to note that it takes a lot for New Yorkers to get out of their chairs on the subway and to actually deal with a crazy person on the subway.
00:12:31.000 It takes a lot.
00:12:32.000 So I lived in New York for a very long time.
00:12:34.000 I love New York very much.
00:12:35.000 Being on the subway with crazy people, what you typically do, I mean, there's crazy, I've been on the subway with people running around the car with knives, screaming and yelling.
00:12:45.000 And everybody just keeps their eyes down and hopes that the crazy person doesn't target you.
00:12:51.000 I've been sat next to people on men on very crowded trains and had them do absolutely horrible things to themselves while rubbing up against me and trying to get people to move out of the way so that I could get out of the seat.
00:13:06.000 Seriously.
00:13:06.000 So it takes an awful lot for New Yorkers to get up and do something.
00:13:11.000 So this man must have been really behaving in a nuts and crazy way for New Yorkers to step up and try and subdue him.
00:13:19.000 And I don't think that people who don't travel the subway every day really understand how common an occurrence it is to have lunatics on the subway screaming that they're going to kill everybody and sometimes they are armed.
00:13:34.000 He said he was ready to go back to jail and he said that he was willing to hurt anybody in that train.
00:13:39.000 We know that for a fact.
00:13:40.000 Now, let me tie these, let me tie these stories together.
00:13:43.000 We got to move quick here, sadly.
00:13:44.000 I wish I could have more time with you, Libby.
00:13:46.000 But here's the tie-in.
00:13:49.000 I mean, you tweeted something that I found interesting.
00:13:51.000 You said that Twitter's basically saving lives.
00:13:54.000 It got this story out.
00:13:55.000 It's not being censored because Elon owns Twitter now and we can actually speak the truth.
00:13:59.000 So let me tie these two disparate storylines in together because I want to get your take on it.
00:14:03.000 This Marine's life, former Marine's life, may be saved by the fact that the real truth and the information is now circulated on social media.
00:14:10.000 And I think we're winning the messaging war on Jordan Neely.
00:14:13.000 I think he looks like a guy who had 42 priors.
00:14:15.000 I think their insanity is showing.
00:14:18.000 Now, but here's what else I think is interesting.
00:14:19.000 I haven't seen anybody make this point.
00:14:21.000 ABC WAPO now has Joe Biden losing to both Trump and DeSantis by seven.
00:14:28.000 He is at a historic low in his presidency.
00:14:32.000 Now, I don't know that that would happen if Twitter didn't have free speech on it.
00:14:38.000 I'm wondering, Libby, is this a result of free speech nation of free speech Elon?
00:14:43.000 And I have a great clip I want to show you, but I want to get your take first.
00:14:46.000 What do you think?
00:14:46.000 Is this, I mean, can we, what's happening here?
00:14:49.000 What's behind this?
00:14:50.000 I think it, you know, I think it really could be.
00:14:52.000 And I think you're right that the messaging has changed on this Jordan Neely situation.
00:14:57.000 People are not willing to be just pushed aside anymore and told some truth and then regurgitating it.
00:15:03.000 And it really only takes one or two people to stand up for everyone who has been looking to stand up to say, hey, yeah, me too.
00:15:11.000 That's not fair.
00:15:12.000 That's not true.
00:15:12.000 That's not what happened.
00:15:14.000 You see it with Elon Musk and his free speech revolution.
00:15:16.000 Everyone's just like, yeah, that's right.
00:15:18.000 We saw it with J.K. Rowling, where she came out and said, you know, women are actually adult human females.
00:15:24.000 And everyone was like, yeah, that's right.
00:15:26.000 So it really only takes one person to stand up on a platform. 0.95
00:15:29.000 Libby, she's hated.
00:15:30.000 She's hated, but she has the courage.
00:15:32.000 And that's the thing I'm seeing.
00:15:33.000 And I want to make that point.
00:15:35.000 Folks, if you're listening and you're out there, you are not alone and you know it.
00:15:39.000 And there are voices.
00:15:41.000 And I think it's almost taken the conservative movement, maybe, you know, since Trump 2016, learning how to fight back loud, proud, bold without apology.
00:15:49.000 And now you're seeing all of those efforts and all those wins come to fruition with this Jordan Neely thing and maybe with gun issues and many other things.
00:15:57.000 We will not be cowed.
00:15:59.000 Libby, I wish I had more time.
00:16:01.000 I'm looking at the clock here.
00:16:02.000 I want to give you your final out because you deserve it, but you are so fantastic.
00:16:06.000 Thank you for joining the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:16:08.000 Thanks, Andrew.
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00:19:04.000 I am very excited to speak with our next guest, Julie Kelly.
00:19:08.000 She's a columnist at American Greatness, and she has been covering what's been going on with this.
00:19:14.000 You know, some might call it a Fed surrection, others might call it a witch hunt.
00:19:18.000 I don't know.
00:19:19.000 You take your pick.
00:19:20.000 Better than anybody in the country.
00:19:22.000 She is absolutely the expert.
00:19:23.000 Julie, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:19:25.000 Thank you for making the time.
00:19:27.000 Hey, Andrew, so nice to see you.
00:19:29.000 We text all the time, but it's nice to see you in person.
00:19:32.000 Thanks for having me on.
00:19:33.000 Well, I appreciate it.
00:19:34.000 So, you have been doing humans' work on this story, and you've been really keeping us up to date.
00:19:39.000 I wanted to get you on on Friday.
00:19:41.000 We texted about it, but you had other things you had to get done, which we, for you, we will make the exception.
00:19:47.000 I want to have you on today.
00:19:48.000 Now, you made, and the reason I think it's important is not just because you're the great Julie Kelly.
00:19:52.000 I think it's important because you made a prediction based on this case, what would happen to President Trump moving forward?
00:20:02.000 It was a bombshell.
00:20:03.000 I think we titled the podcast based on your prediction that day.
00:20:06.000 I mean, it was quite an alarming thing.
00:20:08.000 So, let's just one step back before I'm just teasing that.
00:20:12.000 What happened on Thursday?
00:20:14.000 Um, and why is this case important and where were the controversies at?
00:20:20.000 So, the bombshell, and I know people had a lot of difficulty, and they have had difficulty, Andrew, with my predicting and warning them for months that this Department of Justice and now special counsel Jack Smith, I use quotations, air quotations for him, will bring forward probably, well, it will be a multi-count criminal indictment against Donald Trump at some point this year.
00:20:44.000 What happened Thursday was the conviction of four of five members of the Proud Boys, including their leader Enrique Tario, on charges of seditious conspiracy.
00:20:56.000 This is a post-Civil War statute, Andrew, that had to apply to Confederate soldiers or members of the Confederacy who still wanted to overthrow the government of the United States.
00:21:08.000 It has nothing to do with people who walked into the Capitol building, who committed no violent crime.
00:21:13.000 Enrique Atario wasn't even in Washington, D.C.
00:21:17.000 But the reason why these convictions pose such great legal peril for Donald Trump is because President Trump was a key figure throughout this case and throughout the trial.
00:21:29.000 And as I explained in my piece at Am Greatness last week, I went to closing arguments last week, and the very first clip that Assistant U.S. Attorney Connor Mulro played for the jury was not of the Proud Boys committing seditious conspiracy.
00:21:43.000 It was Donald Trump's comment in the presidential debate in September of 2020 when, after being goaded by Fox News host Chris Wallace and Joe Biden, who specifically told him to say Proud Boys, Donald Trump said, Proud boys stand back and stand by.
00:22:01.000 That, according to this DOJ, was sort of a call to arms, enlisting these Proud Boys to commit seditious conspiracy, insurrection, whatever you want to call it.
00:22:12.000 Interesting.
00:22:13.000 So that's why these guilty verdicts are so dangerous of Donald Trump.
00:22:19.000 I don't have the clip here.
00:22:20.000 Ryan, see if you can get that exact clip from the 2020 presidential debate.
00:22:25.000 So paint the scene.
00:22:26.000 So Trump's standing, he's sparring with Biden, Chris Wallace, you know, CNN's Chris Wallace, but he was then with Fox.
00:22:35.000 So he goads him into saying, will you tell the Proud Boys, like Trump controls the Proud Boys, right?
00:22:35.000 Okay.
00:22:42.000 Is that essentially what happened?
00:22:43.000 He goads him into, will you tell the Proud Boys to not, you know, if you lose to not insurrect, I guess.
00:22:54.000 Is that what happened?
00:22:55.000 Well, no, because nothing was even really on the table.
00:22:58.000 Of course, January 6th wasn't even a thought yet, as you know.
00:23:02.000 What was happening was Donald Trump was being very successful in condemning Joe Biden and the Democrats for their support of BLM and Antifa riots, which of course rocked the country, including Washington, D.C., for months.
00:23:17.000 And so he kept pointing to Joe Biden, the Democrats' support of this, you know, bending the knee, etc.
00:23:23.000 And Chris Wallace interrupted, as of course, Chris Wallace loves to do, ran defense for Joe Biden and said, Well, Mr. President, but why don't you condemn white supremacist, violent militia groups who committed crimes in Kenosha and Portland?
00:23:42.000 Like the Proud Boys are comparable to what Antifa was doing in Portland or anything that happened in Kenosha.
00:23:49.000 And so Trump said, Okay, fine, I will give me a name.
00:23:53.000 He didn't even know who they were talking about.
00:23:55.000 Joe Biden, standing right next to him, says the Proud Boys.
00:23:59.000 So Trump says reflexively, Okay, Proud Boys, stand back and speak.
00:24:05.000 Totally.
00:24:05.000 Almost like just to throw fine, fine.
00:24:07.000 Yeah.
00:24:07.000 Insert name here.
00:24:08.000 Just don't even know what they were.
00:24:11.000 But Joe Biden, Joe Biden set him up.
00:24:13.000 That's fascinating.
00:24:16.000 You know, it kind of makes you ask the question: it's like, well, how many layers to this story are there?
00:24:20.000 Now, I don't give Joe Biden a lot of credit for being able to knit together a three-dimensional chess like, you know, Deep State.
00:24:27.000 I mean, but his handlers could have given him like, you know, a three by five with, you know, Proud Boys written on it.
00:24:33.000 And maybe that would have stuck.
00:24:35.000 And it, you know, apparently it did.
00:24:37.000 So is your assertion here that they were this was maybe a backup plan, even?
00:24:43.000 Because I remember the debates and everybody kept asking, Will you accept the results of the 2020 presidential election?
00:24:49.000 Will you accept the results?
00:24:50.000 Wait, because Trump was already warning about mail and balloting.
00:24:54.000 He was warning about signature verification.
00:24:56.000 He was basically the only one doing it, and nobody was taking any action.
00:25:00.000 So, of course, the left-wing media was like, Will you accept the, you know, it almost makes you think about.
00:25:06.000 So, if you layer this on top of what you know, and your reporting has been so phenomenal on this, Julie.
00:25:12.000 Now, a lot of people like to call it a Fed surrection, right?
00:25:15.000 You know, you're not allowed to say that on certain network TV, but we're here we're going to say it.
00:25:20.000 Do you believe that the FBI was intimately involved in the events that unfolded on January 5th and 6th?
00:25:29.000 And do you, I mean, does it play into the clip that you're talking about from the 2020 debates?
00:25:34.000 That's such a great question, Andrew.
00:25:37.000 And that's why it was so important for these Proud Boys to go to trial.
00:25:41.000 Because what the government stipulated, and that means they admit it, is that they had at least eight FBI informants involved in the Proud Boys months before January 6th.
00:25:52.000 We know at least two of them were on the ground with the Proud Boys during the first breach point, which you may recall another person was there with them too, Ray Epps, who to this day remains uncharged.
00:26:06.000 He was just there, though, Julie, to keep the peace.
00:26:10.000 I'm just, you know, don't mean to correct the record here, but no, keep going.
00:26:13.000 So you're saying two, at least two of these FBI informants were at the initial point of breach.
00:26:19.000 They were.
00:26:19.000 They were on the ground with the Proud Boys.
00:26:21.000 One of them was communicating with his FBI handler and specifically telling his FBI handler, the Proud Boys are not responsible for this.
00:26:30.000 This basically turned into a mob, an angry mob.
00:26:34.000 They did not orchestrate it.
00:26:36.000 There was no pre-planning.
00:26:37.000 There's no evidence or texts that lays out an attack on the Capitol.
00:26:43.000 Fact, Andrew, the one document that the government said for months was responsible that was sort of this roadmap for the Proud Boys seditious conspiracy plan was called 1776 Returns.
00:26:56.000 What comes out in trial is not only did none of the Proud Boys author it, Enrique Terrio, the leader who it was emailed to, never even opened it or saw it.
00:27:07.000 And it was sourced back to a one-time or perhaps current intelligence official who wrote that, sent it to a friend of Enrique Tario, told her to send it to Terrio.
00:27:19.000 That was the document they said.
00:27:21.000 They never brought it up in closing arguments.
00:27:22.000 It all disappeared.
00:27:24.000 But it doesn't matter, Andrew, because they're going before DC jury, right?
00:27:27.000 I mean, you had the juror interview that came out on Friday.
00:27:30.000 This juror said on the first day they decided these guys, four of five of them, were guilty of treason, basically, by opposing by force the government of the United States.
00:27:42.000 How do you do that with no weapons, Andrew?
00:27:45.000 That's such an important point.
00:27:48.000 If a bunch of right-wing militias wanted to insurrect and wanted to take over their government, that's not what it looks like, folks.
00:27:55.000 That's not what it looks like.
00:27:57.000 That was a what do you call it?
00:28:01.000 It was an overflow.
00:28:04.000 It was a protest gone bad.
00:28:07.000 Obviously, we're not condoning the events, all the events of January 6th, but that is not what a right-wing militia.
00:28:15.000 You know what that says to me is that these people that are claiming it is that have been living in some blue city bubble their entire lives with metropolitan like ice lattes and all of this stuff.
00:28:25.000 If you grew up in the country, if you grew up in rural America and Red America, you know that's not what it looks like. 0.97
00:28:32.000 That was absolutely, I mean, this is how I know how insane it all is.
00:28:36.000 But like, let's go back to this.
00:28:37.000 And I actually have this clip now, 35, and we have a minute till break, Julie.
00:28:41.000 I'm going to keep you after, but let's play this clip because you teased it earlier.
00:28:45.000 This is what you're saying.
00:28:46.000 Jack Smith is referencing to tie in Donald Trump and your prediction that he's going to be indicted.
00:28:51.000 So play cut 35.
00:28:53.000 But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland?
00:29:08.000 Are you prepared to specifically do it?
00:29:11.000 I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing.
00:29:16.000 What are you saying?
00:29:17.000 I'm willing to do anything.
00:29:18.000 I want to see peace.
00:29:19.000 Let's do it, sir.
00:29:20.000 Say it.
00:29:21.000 Do it.
00:29:21.000 Say it.
00:29:22.000 You want to call him, what do you want to call him?
00:29:24.000 Give me a name.
00:29:25.000 Give me a name. 0.97
00:29:25.000 White supremacists and rights. 0.97
00:29:27.000 Proud protests and rights.
00:29:29.000 Proud boys, stand back and stand by.
00:29:32.000 But I'll tell you what.
00:29:33.000 I'll tell you what.
00:29:35.000 The more that I watch that clip, I mean, I got chills.
00:29:37.000 I was texting you.
00:29:38.000 I got chills.
00:29:41.000 Joe Biden fed him the line.
00:29:44.000 I know you said that before, but watching him do it, you know, Trump's like, of course I, you know, white supremacists, I don't want anything to do with white supremacists.
00:29:51.000 What do you want to call him?
00:29:52.000 And Joe Biden goes, Proud Boys, Proud Boys, Proud Boys.
00:29:54.000 And he goes, Sure, Proud Boy.
00:29:55.000 Stand, you know, stand by, stand down.
00:29:58.000 But what's crazy here, and I was texting you, it's a total setup.
00:30:01.000 So then you find out that you've got at least eight FBI informants embedded within the Proud Boys who have become like, you know, the poster child for like insurrection or something, which is hilarious if you know anything about the Proud Boys.
00:30:14.000 But what's crazy is it feels like a setup to me, Julie.
00:30:20.000 How would, if it was a setup, and you could start your idea here, I want to take it on the other side of the break.
00:30:26.000 How would Biden have known this?
00:30:27.000 Just play it out.
00:30:28.000 Devil's advocate.
00:30:30.000 Well, what was happening in 2020 was the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers were supposed to be sort of the antidote to BLM and Antifa.
00:30:37.000 And the Proud Boys were showing up in areas where BLM and Antifa were ransacking cities, destroying the Portland courthouse, attacking, assaulting people in Kenosha and other, and in Washington, D.C., by the way.
00:30:51.000 They were really there.
00:30:52.000 And there was a joke that came out during the trial.
00:30:56.000 One of the witnesses said, I can't decide if the Proud Boys is a drinking group with a political problem or a political problem with a political group with a drinking problem.
00:31:07.000 So they're just kind of rapport browsers, but they were really there to protect people.
00:31:11.000 That's what Joe Biden was doing.
00:31:13.000 And then, lo and behold, you know, two and a half months later, here they are, the insurrectionist Proud Boys.
00:31:18.000 Yeah, but they don't bring it up in the trial, obviously.
00:31:21.000 I mean, the whole thing's so corrupt, Julie.
00:31:22.000 It just is, it's infuriating.
00:31:24.000 All right.
00:31:24.000 So I was asking you before if Joe Biden knew that there was Proud Boys embedded, or FBI informants, rather, embedded with the Proud Boys.
00:31:36.000 And if he was in on the story, was it a setup when he pushed them, Trump, actually in that debate to say Proud Boys?
00:31:45.000 Was it a setup?
00:31:46.000 And if so, how did he know the Proud Boys would be useful to him later?
00:31:50.000 It was, I don't suspect it was necessarily a setup for January 6th, but the setup was then to tie Donald Trump to what the media, Department of Justice, FBI, Democrats consider this right-wing domestic violent extremist group called the Proud Boys.
00:32:11.000 So that was really the purpose.
00:32:13.000 Now, you'll remember, though, here's another part: what happened the next month?
00:32:17.000 So, Trump, not next month, a week or two later.
00:32:20.000 So, he says this to the Proud Boys, the media goes crazy.
00:32:23.000 You know, oh, he said the Proud Boys stand by, which he did.
00:32:27.000 And I think he meant to tell them to stand down and stand back, not stand by.
00:32:32.000 Right.
00:32:32.000 What happens two weeks later?
00:32:35.000 Six men are arrested on federal conspiracy to kidnap charges in the fednapping scheme against Gretchen Whitmer.
00:32:44.000 So this all ties together.
00:32:46.000 And the FBI for sure is orchestrating it.
00:32:49.000 Bill Barr, the attorney general, there's no way he didn't know about it.
00:32:52.000 So this was all to tie Trump to these extremist groups.
00:32:57.000 And unfortunately, his comment there added fuel to the fire, even though it's not what he intended.
00:33:02.000 He didn't know who the Proud Boys were.
00:33:03.000 He said later, I have no idea who they were.
00:33:05.000 And you can clearly see he didn't.
00:33:07.000 He was goaded by Joe Biden, not once, but twice.
00:33:10.000 This is what's always the tell, right?
00:33:11.000 And I've dealt with this with left-wing journalists that'll give me a call asking for me for insight on something or other.
00:33:19.000 And, you know, I remember I got a call on the Boogaloo, whatever.
00:33:24.000 I didn't know what it was.
00:33:25.000 Yes, I didn't know.
00:33:27.000 Right.
00:33:27.000 I know.
00:33:28.000 But it's like, and I know it's like kind of this compicated group.
00:33:31.000 I don't know anything about it.
00:33:32.000 They just assume that I, you know, and it's, it's just, it's the tell that they're more obsessed with it than we are.
00:33:39.000 I mean, we, we want some pretty common sense things: closed border, no reparations, uh, rule of law, criminals to go to jail and not be released the next day.
00:33:48.000 I mean, we're not, you know, the vast majority of the conservative movement is not obsessed with these issues.
00:33:53.000 But, Julie, I mean, tie it back into what's going to happen next, right?
00:33:58.000 So, we've got this special prosecutor.
00:34:01.000 What should the American people be looking toward next?
00:34:05.000 What is what are the next dominoes to fall?
00:34:07.000 Paint the picture.
00:34:08.000 The next dominoes to fall outside of what's happening in Georgia in terms of out of this Department of Justice will be indictments for two areas that special counsel Jack Smith's office/slash DOJ is looking into, and that is the handling of classified documents, possibly obstruction of justice related to the movement or housing storage of those documents.
00:34:33.000 But his greatest legal liability is going to be for January 6th, obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy, tampering with evidence, and witnesses, but now seditious conspiracy.
00:34:46.000 And this is a charge, a felony charge that is up to punishable by up to 20 years in prison.
00:34:53.000 So now that he's tied to these convictions and this case as a key figure in the government's case against these Proud Boys, Jack Smith, and you could see it over the weekend.
00:35:05.000 And I'll have a column up tonight about this.
00:35:06.000 You had everyone from Adam Schiff to Jamie Raskin to other, I'm trying to think who is that?
00:35:14.000 Oh, Dan Goldman.
00:35:15.000 They all understand what this means.
00:35:18.000 And they are saying, well, you can't just, Jamie Raskin said, you can't just throw the foot soldiers in jail.
00:35:23.000 You have to throw the leader, the guy who took their marching orders for the insurrection.
00:35:29.000 You got to get him too.
00:35:31.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:35:32.000 I can't wait for that column to come out.
00:35:34.000 We'll talk about it on the show probably tomorrow.
00:35:36.000 But just real quick, we got a minute before the hour.
00:35:40.000 So give it just a, is there any way that you, any evidence that you've seen that would actually tie the Trump administration to marching orders delivered to the Proud Boys or any of these other groups?
00:35:53.000 Has any evidence been?
00:35:56.000 It's just that one clip.
00:35:57.000 It doesn't matter.
00:35:58.000 Andrew, nothing in this DC legal and judicial system matters.
00:36:02.000 You know that.
00:36:03.000 Rule of law, evidence.
00:36:04.000 These judges will give the government whatever they want.
00:36:07.000 These juries will believe whatever they're told.
00:36:09.000 Well, thank you, Julie Kelly.
00:36:10.000 You are the absolute best.
00:36:11.000 Thank you for all of your reporting again.
00:36:13.000 Everybody, check out American Greatness and specifically Julie Kelly's column that's going to drop tonight.
00:36:18.000 So thank you for that, Julie.
00:36:20.000 We'll have you back soon.
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