00:00:48.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:56.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:41.000He's been a rubber stamp for the Biden policies and has basically sat back as the border hemorrhages and ignores the effect on our citizens here in district with the crime rates, with the fentanyl infusion, ignored the fact that we need growth in our economy, has ignored the fact that most Americans in district really want to put bread on the table for their kids and family, and he has ignored the economic impacts on that.
00:02:06.000And also health care, I can tell you as a physician practicing in district with a lot of patients.
00:02:42.000I'm the antidote to the radical Ilhan Omars and Rashida Tlabes.
00:02:46.000And I think my story about how my family came here legally, got political asylum, and were able to raise me in a small town in Wisconsin where I learned to have a personal relationship with God and separate myself from the Islamist movements and the dictatorships and be able to have a freedom that you just could not have anywhere else.
00:03:06.000And I'd like to give back to my district, if back to my state here in Arizona.
00:03:09.000I've been here for 26 years after serving in the Navy.
00:04:59.000A political movement that masquerades as a faith?
00:05:01.000So if you look at the foundations of America, 1,789 years after Jesus' ministry, there was finally a country created that separated, that prevented the establishment of a church through government, a government of a theocracy, if you will.
00:05:19.000It has not gone through a separation of mosque and state and an enlightenment process.
00:05:24.000So Islam as a faith is 1,445 years old, and it still has to go through a process in which it rejects tribalism, rejects feudalism, in which the clerics run government, the clerics dominate thought and prevent critical thinking.
00:05:41.000And right now, of the 56 Muslim-majority countries, almost every one of them is a dictatorship, is a military autocracy in which you can't ask the tough questions, which is why, Charlie, after 9-11, we had our first rally against terrorism in the country here in Patriot Square in downtown Phoenix, which is why I've been focused just running into the fire, if you were, towards the fire of radical Islam, because only Muslims can fix this problem.
00:06:10.000And just like the silent Germans that sat back and watched the Nazis not only take over Germany, but slaughter Jews in a Holocaust, so many Muslims are silent, and we're the only ones that can fix this problem until we realize that we have to reject and begin to displace the leadership, not only in countries that are petrol trillion dollars rich, that are filling the bandwidth of discussion of Islam, but also in our mosques in this country where we're free to have this debate.
00:06:38.000They're actually using the woke ideas.
00:06:41.000I was talking about wokeism before it was a thing in 2005 and 10 saying, listen, Islamophobia is a contrived idea.
00:06:51.000There might be some bigotry against Muslims, but Islamophobia is a term the Gulf states created in order to prevent criticism against Islam, in order to invoke blasphemy laws.
00:07:03.000And we need to reform these things and do what the West did in its 30 years war.
00:07:15.000There is hope out there, but we just have to be focused.
00:07:18.000So I have several questions, and I just want to say I'm cheering for you.
00:07:22.000And so if I were to say, Zudi, that it's concerning to me that a majority of Muslims in America, according to a poll, said that they supported Hamas' attack on Israel, what would drive that?
00:07:47.000Why do you see on campuses folks that are obviously Western, blonde-haired, blue-eyed, waving flags of the Palestinian flag that sometimes actually it's the Italian flag because they can't tell the difference?
00:07:59.000And they think they're cheering on Palestine and they have no idea where it is on a map, and yet they're saying things that are horrifically anti-Semitic.
00:08:09.000Part of it is, I think, the primary thing is moral decay.
00:08:12.000They have worn their faith as an ornament on their sleeves, but not really understood and enacted a moral agency.
00:08:21.000So this is why as I talk to Muslims in our Muslim reform movement around the world and the movements for reform, they're saying, you know what?
00:08:33.000Stop giving them a pass on moral agency.
00:08:37.000Just because you're occupied by Hamas, not by Israel, but if they're occupied, it's by Hamas in Gaza.
00:08:45.000And if they're occupied and in an open-air prison, that doesn't have them lose moral agency where they can justify acting even worse than animals, where they behead babies and rape women and all these things that are being ignored by even the Rashida Tlaibs and Ilhan Omars.
00:09:05.000Number two, the bigger reason is just like wokeism has finally Americans are starting to understand the battle I've been trying to have where we see the Chinese Communist Party, we see Qatar and all these trillion-dollar petro interests funding our universities, funding Middle East institutes that are horrifically anti-Semitic, anti-American, and don't care about morality.
00:09:30.000So when Hamas attacks and targets by their manual, the manual of the militants said they needed to target a festival, target schools, target civilians and kibbutzes.
00:09:42.000This was not an act of war, it was an act of genocide.
00:09:48.000And Muslims who reject that are simply part of the propaganda arm.
00:09:53.000They're not, I think, pious Muslims who understand Islam from the way I want to see it in a reform way.
00:10:01.000And we need to, I think, push back and not have a bigotry of low expectations where, okay, if you're a Muslim, how do you not speak out against what Hamas did?
00:10:10.000How do you then defer that and use some type of moral equivalency, which I think is corrupt?
00:10:46.000We can make a difference standing for life by giving free ultrasounds with our friends at pre-born.
00:10:51.000In a Dobbs world, states decide about abortion, and so many liberal states are taking extreme stands, even allowing abortion up to literally the second before a baby is born.
00:11:02.000And in California, the demand for abortions has increased 400% in part because the state is inviting women and girls to come to California for the sole purpose of aborting their baby.
00:11:53.000Only way, and this is why I think if you look at all the offensive ideas into our country that's destroying universities and others, we need an offense.
00:12:00.000And I've talked about it and we formed a coalition called the Clarity Coalition, C-L-A-R-I-T-Y, which is Champions for Liberty Against the Reality of Islamist tyranny.
00:12:10.000And that includes not only Muslim organizations but think tanks like the Middle East Forum, Hudson Institute, and so many others that are working with us to say, you know what, the problem is political Islam.
00:12:21.000The problem is any Islamic state, not just ISIS, but the Islamic Republic of Iran, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, even though it's run by a tribe, is basically an Islamic state with Sharia law.
00:12:33.000Any state that uses Sharia islamic is the Arabic word for Islamic jurisprudence.
00:12:40.000So just like there's canonic law and Talmudic law, Islamic law is Sharia.
00:12:45.000And there are states across the world with hundreds of millions of people living under Sharia law that mandates the way women dress, it mandates the killing of homosexuals, it mandates the forced punishment and brutal punishment for crimes and things that is just from medieval times.
00:13:04.000So if I were to say, Zudi, and if I is this an unfair summary, that in most Islamic circles in the Middle East, if they want to bring forth Sharia law, they believe in those things.
00:13:18.000I don't want to be unfair to those are pupils that say that 84%, for example, of Egyptians, 90% of Pakistanis think if somebody leaves Islam, they should be killed.
00:13:29.000And they see that as sedition, as treason, because they have an Islamic state.
00:13:34.000So all of these things, jihad, what is jihad?
00:13:37.000Jihad is what the military of an Islamic state undergoes when it goes into battle.
00:13:43.000So Turkey, a so-called NATO ally, when it went into cross the border of Syria only a few years ago, was slaughtering Kurds and posting video that they were enacting a jihad.
00:13:53.000So even a so-called democracy will use jihad.
00:13:57.000So the way to fight that is to say, you know what?
00:14:01.000For example, Indonesia had a scholar that we had worked with who was the former president of Indonesia, and he said, we need to create an Islam and a reform that people have a state of Islam in their heart, but they reject the concept of the Islamic State or the idea of the Islamic State.
00:14:18.000So you can have a personal relationship with God.
00:14:20.000In Israel, for example, Muslims have Sharia courts for family law, but it's just for personal pietistic law and not for state law, obviously, in a Jewish state.
00:14:31.000So this is the issue: you can't reform Islam unless you first say, you know what, just like America's Constitution is under God, the word Christian is not in our Constitution, even though we're a Judeo-Christian country for a reason.
00:14:45.000They didn't want to debate about the nuances of Christianity.
00:14:48.000And Islamic Reformation, I think, needs to embody some of those things that our founding fathers taught us.
00:14:52.000So I guess the devil's advocate would be, Zudi, that the reason why they're inseparable is because that is what the Hadith or what later Islamic theology would mandate.
00:15:06.000Yeah, so the Islamic intellectual institutions, the educational institutions, the mosques have all perpetuated their power by saying that if you look in Egypt, for example, Al-Azhar, which is supposedly the seat of Sunni thought in the planet in Egypt, in addition to Saudi Arabia, there's a battle there, but they put forth the idea that they influence LCC.
00:15:33.000They influence the Egyptian government by telling them what is and what is not Islamic.
00:15:37.000So even though that's supposedly a secular government, they have Sharia law instituted there.
00:15:43.000So ultimately, that debate of separation has to evolve in the West.
00:15:49.000It's not going to happen in Middle Eastern countries.
00:15:52.000Did the teachings of Muhammad directly mandate the creation of an Islamic State?
00:16:35.000It's impossible to reform Islam if you use.
00:16:39.000We used basically the Quran, which is the only what we believe to be the revealed word of God to Muslims.
00:16:45.000In there, there's nothing that prohibits you from separating mosque and state and saying, you know, the Imams have nothing to do with government.
00:16:51.000The state should have nothing to do with Islamic identity.
00:16:55.000And if the Prophet didn't do it at that time, you don't have to do it later.
00:16:59.000So if you have modern political science, you would reform and separate it.
00:18:10.000So Dr. Jasser, you were mentioning that in order for this to be possible, a reformation, you'd have to get back to the original Quran, not the later hadiths or commentary.
00:18:20.000Can you explain to our audience what that all means?
00:18:22.000Yeah, so Muslims believe the Quran is the Arabic, what we believe is the Arabic script that was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad.
00:18:28.000Even the English translations, most of which is what you'll find online, are Saudi interpretations that, you know, my father did his own translation that is very different than what you read from the hate translations that come from Saudi Arabia.
00:18:40.000And when I was on the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, we sat with the Saudis and the Brotherhood and others in the Middle East and tried to tell them, can you modify these translations?
00:18:50.000Because they're creating a lot of hate.
00:18:52.000But if you look, there's these volumes of hadith.
00:18:54.000Hadith means discussions of the Prophet in Arabic.
00:18:57.000It's like a catechism or the oral tradition.
00:19:00.000It's almost like the oral tradition in Judaism.
00:19:44.000There are hadiths that call for the killing of Jews.
00:19:47.000I mean, not only killing of Jews, but killing of gays, to saying that women are fourth class, have a half the size of the brain of a man.
00:19:55.000I mean, there's just horrific things written in the hadith.
00:19:58.000There are a lot of efforts at reform to saying that, you know what, 70, 80% of the hadith is contrived by tribes all over the world that did so in order to create control within the faith and we should return back to scripture, almost like the Bible church movements did.
00:20:16.000And many in the Protestant movement said, you know what, let's go back to the original scripture and not deal with too much of the sort of man-made part of the faith, especially in Islam.
00:20:44.000A Quranist is someone who rejects the prophet's tradition, and that's not what I do.
00:20:48.000My personal faith practice includes a lot of things that we wouldn't, Muslims would not know how to pray if it wasn't for the, you know, because there's no descriptions of the details of prayer in the Quran.
00:20:59.000But at the end of the day, most of the radicalism is coming from there.
00:21:02.000Now, there are passages like the fifth chapter in the Quran that we need to deal with.
00:21:08.000It says, for example, the Saudi translation says in the fifth chapter, it says, do not take Jews and Christians as friends.
00:21:15.000Now, that Arabic word is awliya, which actually says legal sponsors in our courts.
00:21:21.000It has nothing to do with friends because there's other passages that say you may intermarry Jews and Christians.
00:21:26.000You may marry them and they, you know, may be the mother of your children.
00:21:29.000So at the end of the day, that can't be either God had a split personality and was giving mixed messages or they interpreted it wrong.
00:21:37.000And most translations will show that the Saudis intentionally put in anti-Semitic, the passage said by most Muslims around the world the most is the opening passage.
00:21:48.000And the Saudis have a footnote that says, you know, and the passage that says, do not be led astray.
00:21:54.000And the Saudis add a footnote to their Quran that says, like the Jews and Christians.
00:21:59.000And, you know, MBS is talking about removing some of that, et cetera, but they're not doing it from the pulpits.
00:22:16.000I think the more we see Hamas and ISIS of the world and al-Qaedas, they're going to keep coming back like a hydra unless Muslims really take ownership and, you know what, and become American first and Muslim second.
00:22:30.000And that our personal possible absolutely.
00:22:49.000And be an antidote to the Rashidah Tlaibs and Omar.
00:22:53.000So Rashida Tlib and Elon Omar, you have the same faith, but you couldn't be more almost diametrically opposed.
00:23:00.000Yeah, they're operatives of a political movement, a global movement, no different than Marxism, communism.
00:23:06.000They're Islamists who will say whatever possible to advance the Islamist movement or the Palestinianist movement, if you will.
00:23:14.000I'm an American first, a conservative who believes in conservative principles for our country based in foundational, our foundations of our founding fathers, our Constitution, and Bill of Rights.
00:23:25.000So to me, that's where the debate is: is that every individual has a relationship with God.
00:23:32.000But at the end of the day, what separates me from them is the Rashidah Tlabs, Ilhan Omars, the Council on American Islamic Relations, Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi.
00:23:44.000These are large movements that are inspired by theocracy.
00:23:50.000And I want to be, as an American, somebody that stands against all types of autocracy and theocracy because this country gives me more freedom than anywhere else in the world.
00:24:00.000Are you implying with Rashida Talib and Elon Omar the Takiya?
00:24:12.000So Takiyah actually, and historically, is something that was within the faith where some Muslims pretended to be, for example, Sunni or Shia to avoid persecution.
00:24:21.000Bottom line is that's one form of corruption where they lie, they dissimulate.
00:24:27.000The Islamists were constantly dissimulating.
00:24:29.000I've testified to Congress about this repeatedly, in that many times you'll see Muslims claim that they believe in the legal system of this country, but actually they're Islamists who will say one thing as a minority, and then you find when they're a majority in places like Dearborn or elsewhere, they invoke principles that are about things that are un-American, that are anti-American, because they have a majority.
00:24:55.000And they can't distinguish between majoritocracy and true democracy, liberal democracy that defends minority rights.
00:25:04.000And so with the mass amount of Elon Omars that have come in, I see that plural.
00:25:12.000Does it bother you to see sometimes the lack of assimilation?
00:25:19.000It comes from, I think, an intentional fear of America, a hate for the West.
00:25:25.000Ilhan Omar, many times, I served on the USS El Paso, was a medical department head, joined my ship in the Mediterranean when they were on their way back from Somalia.
00:25:34.000And I remember her a few years ago tweeting out on the anniversary of what she said was the greatest terror attack by Americans was on Somali soil.
00:26:27.000But what does make sense, Charlie, and this is what I hope your viewers and listeners understand, is that there's this red-green axis, this axis between the neo-Marxists that we saw of the Black Lives Matter movement and Louis Farrakhan and other anti-Semites, along with the green, which is the Islamist across the world.
00:26:46.000So the Qatars and the Irans are working with the Venezuelas and the Chinas of the world.
00:26:52.000So you've got to believe that many of her constituents, if they're not Islamists, which are Muslims, then they're American to the anti-Americanism, the anti-Semitism of the far extreme progressive left.
00:27:30.000He didn't want to do it again because he spent the whole time attacking me personally.
00:27:33.000I spent the time basically saying these are the issues we need to reform in our faith that you're ignoring.
00:27:39.000These are the issues that Americans would need to hear, not to feel threatened by your movement, but actually embrace you for religious freedom.
00:27:46.000And I think time and time again, I did it in Columbus.
00:27:50.000We debated them at Duke, in Notre Dame, and elsewhere, all across the country.
00:27:54.000We've had debates with Imams, and every one of them are part of the, not everyone, 90% or more are part of what I call the Islamic establishment, which was, you know, I think if you look at the Trump movement, for example, it was about fighting the establishment.
00:28:18.000I will run into the burning building and take them on, but I have never been kicked out because they realize they can't do that in America.
00:28:27.000Now, when we have our meetings in Europe and elsewhere, some of the women's, you know, female Imams that come in that have been targeted come in with security, with protection.
00:28:36.000I didn't know females could become Imams.
00:28:39.000The Imam in Germany that I know that's a woman comes with German police protecting her because she's attacked and has come near quite significant injury in the past.
00:28:50.000So she's always protected, and I've not needed that, thank God.
00:28:54.000So I'm sure you received the criticism, and I want you to just respond to it in one minute, that you're Americanizing Islam, that you're allowing the West to influence your religion.
00:29:05.000I'm sure you've received that feedback.
00:29:17.000I do think that if you're going to be free in this country, you need to reject ideas that are a threat to the security of this country.
00:29:23.000So the slippery slope, the conveyor belt towards the ISIS is an al-Qaeda's.
00:29:27.000I have a chapter in my book on Fort Hood.
00:29:30.000How does a guy like Nidal Hassan end up with a resume like mine and then end up working for al-Qaeda?
00:29:35.000At the end of the day, it's because he hated America, had a worldview that was al-Qaeda's worldview, and we need to defeat that sort of caliphism, if you will, to create the utopian sense of Islamic states in this corrupt, evil way.
00:29:51.000So, yeah, I think ultimately it's not about Americanizing.
00:29:54.000It's about getting the faith in the world.
00:30:10.000So every American Muslim that believes they want their kids to be Muslim, I think, should ask the question: what are the principles they're teaching?
00:30:17.000Are they accepting the propaganda of radical movements?
00:30:20.000Are they speaking out about movements publicly like they do at their dinner table?
00:30:25.000And that's the reality of my candidacy: that not just about faith, but about the economy, about the border, about health care.
00:30:33.000I speak the truth on what I believe, whether it benefits my causes or hurts them.
00:30:39.000Dr. Zudi Jasser, the book is A Battle for the Soul of Islam.
00:30:43.000He's running for Congress, and he would be a great member of Congress.
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00:31:50.000The book is A Battle for the Soul of Islam.
00:31:53.000Dr. Zudi Jasser, he's also running for Congress, Z4AZ.com.
00:31:57.000Dr. Jasser, I'm sure you're receiving a lot of media requests right now because people have a lot of questions about what's going on in the Middle East.
00:32:04.000How should we think from your perspective about what's happening with Israel and Gaza?
00:32:09.000I think the first step is to decimate Hamas's leadership and defeat them militarily, just like it was when the Trump administration appropriately finally said, you know, let's get rid of ISIS first and then deal with the issues after.
00:32:21.000Second, once Hamas is decimated, then the next step is to say, okay, so wait a minute, how many times does this hydro need to keep getting a head back before, you know, whether it's al-Qaeda, then ISIS, Hamas, al-Qaeda back, Hamas again, what are we going to do long term to protect our security?
00:32:39.000Number one is to stop the hemorrhaging of the border here.
00:32:42.000And that we've seen not only are there 160 people on the terror watch list that we don't know where they are but have come through the border, but Hamas is coming through and Hezbollah law and others.
00:32:53.000Secondly, is we need a forward strategy.
00:32:56.000We've been playing defense on the wokeism into our universities, into TikTok and all these other things, social media.
00:33:16.000We need to have a dog in the fight, if you will, as far as the ideas that are being battled across the Middle East and across the world and represent our interests in the media, just like we did in the Cold War.
00:33:28.000We didn't have to fire a bullet against the Soviets and they fell apart because we had Radio Free Europe, because we had the pushing of ideas.
00:33:35.000And I can tell you, a quarter of the world's population is Muslim.
00:33:39.000And the women's movement in Iran, the best anti-nuclear program in Iran would be for us to pump ideas and help them.
00:33:50.000I mean, I don't want to be too sinister, but the American intel agencies and government are hesitant to reform Islam because I think theocratic Islam hates America as much as they do.
00:34:42.000You know, we are colorblind to any of our candidates and any of our constituents.
00:34:46.000But the idea of political diversity, ideological diversity, is that we would push the fact that you have free speech on campus.
00:34:54.000You should have free speech around the world.
00:34:57.000And the ideas of liberalization involve not putting people in prison because they argued against the Islamic State because they argued we need to be defending these ideas and giving them the platforms to do so.
00:35:09.000I didn't give you adequate time to do this, Dr. Jasser, but you said the Islam that you grew up with.
00:35:14.000What are the tenets of the faith that you believe are compatible with Western culture, that you live your life with?
00:35:28.000We teach them to be humble, to be honest, that Any single thing that they're dishonest about will then affect their character.
00:35:37.000It's about character strength and helping those that are weaker than you.
00:35:41.000That when you see somebody in need, you help them.
00:35:44.000This is why I went into medicine, why I focus on medical ethics as one of my expertise, and ultimately about leaving the world a better place than you found it, about speaking out against things that are wrong, against things that are unethical, that are evil.
00:36:02.000It's about the fact that God watches us at every moment, whether you're by yourself or with your family or with the world, that ultimately you're held accountable for all the things that you do and that we are people of integrity and people of honesty.
00:36:14.000Dr. Jasser, a battle for the soul of Islam, 30 seconds, anything you wanted to plug or mention that we didn't get a chance to talk about?
00:36:21.000Well, I think ultimately the issues that concern me are the border, our health care, our national security, the economy, and growth.
00:36:30.000These are the issues that I will bring to fight for our citizens here and across the country.
00:36:35.000I think the party can be rebranded as a party of diversity and that there's going to be a wave that puts Biden out of the White House, that puts the likes of Stanton, Greg Stanton here, out of Congress, and ultimately will be a new day for our party and for conservatism.