The Charlie Kirk Show - A Revival of Christian Men is Necessary — Live with Steve Deace at Dream City Church

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Sunday.

00:00:01.000 My conversation with Steve Dace live from Dream City Church.

00:00:04.000 We talk about demons, angels, the afterlife, heaven, hell, and more.

00:00:08.000 My friend Steve Dace brings the thunder in this very important conversation.

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00:00:27.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:14.000 Thank you, everybody.

00:01:15.000 Please take a seat.

00:01:16.000 Uh this will be brief because we have a very special guest, and I could listen to our special guest talk all day long.

00:01:21.000 But I just want to reiterate something that Pastor Tommy said.

00:01:24.000 Everybody, it's been four years of doing Freedom Night in America.

00:01:28.000 Can you believe it?

00:01:31.000 Four years.

00:01:32.000 It's just been extraordinary.

00:01:34.000 And um I believe it's really made a big impact here locally.

00:01:38.000 Every day I have people come up to me and they say, you know, I'm running for school board, I'm getting involved, I'm a better Christian, better father, I'm a better student.

00:01:46.000 And this is exactly what the Bible tells us to do.

00:01:49.000 In the scriptures, it tells us in Jeremiah 29:7, which is what we originally said when we started this together with the Barnett's.

00:01:55.000 Seek the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

00:02:00.000 We are called to care about our city, to call about our state, to care about our nation.

00:02:05.000 And everybody, this church and what Dream City has done has been a leader to other churches in the valley.

00:02:11.000 You know that before we do this, I want to just praise and single out other pastors come from across the valley for a round table beforehand.

00:02:19.000 And please raise your hands, guys.

00:02:20.000 They do an amazing job.

00:02:22.000 And they're here to get resources filled up in any possible way.

00:02:28.000 Because if we're serious about saving America, it must start with the church. 0.95

00:02:31.000 And we're gonna talk about that tonight.

00:02:33.000 And so I want to make sure I give you an appropriate trigger warning for tonight.

00:02:36.000 If you put Steve and I in a room together, it starts to get a little bit uh, let's just say aggressive, but it's always rooted in the truth.

00:02:44.000 Because look, we could spend our entire time here together tonight doing a victory lap, everything's great, we won in November, and praise the Lord we did.

00:02:52.000 But let's be honest, the American church is nowhere nowhere near as bold or courageous or strong as it should be.

00:02:58.000 And Steve is uniquely positioned.

00:03:01.000 In fact, I think he's one of the most equipped voices in the country to talk about this.

00:03:06.000 You can see him on the blaze, his podcast is awesome.

00:03:09.000 We're really gonna sit to talk about some, let's say, some love in truth, some truth in love, I should say, some hard truths about how the church needs to fight harder and fight stronger in the spiritual battle that we're in.

00:03:21.000 Give it up, everybody, for Steve Dace, everybody.

00:03:23.000 Thank you.

00:03:39.000 Welcome, Steve.

00:03:41.000 Thank you very much.

00:03:42.000 So uh both Steve and I literally talk for a living.

00:03:45.000 Uh so this is gonna be fun.

00:03:47.000 Is there a clock?

00:03:48.000 Because I am trained to fill airtime.

00:03:51.000 So I will just keep going unless someone has an alarm.

00:03:54.000 I I I will I will cut you off.

00:03:56.000 Uh fair enough. 1.00

00:03:57.000 Or you cut me off.

00:03:58.000 Okay.

00:03:58.000 So Steve, why don't we just why don't you introduce yourself?

00:04:01.000 Where are you from?

00:04:02.000 Your life story.

00:04:03.000 Sure.

00:04:03.000 I'm Steve Dace.

00:04:04.000 I do the show on the Blaze.

00:04:06.000 I'm on After Glenn Beck, which, if you're Gen X or older, is a little bit like if you were doing the show after Cheers or Seinfeld on NBC.

00:04:16.000 Like you're gonna have to really be terrible at this not to hold some form of that audience, right?

00:04:20.000 So I I get to kind of you know, gravy train off of Glenn.

00:04:24.000 Um, but um there is literally nothing in my background that would indicate I would ever be here whatsoever.

00:04:32.000 Uh I'm a kid born to a 15-year-old mom.

00:04:34.000 Uh my mom found out she was pregnant uh at 14 from her high school senior boyfriend uh over Thanksgiving break in 1972, and several of her friends had already had abortions, and she had contemplated doing the exact same thing.

00:04:49.000 Um, My paternal father's family were very prominent Democrats in Des Moines at the time.

00:04:55.000 My uncle was on the city, or my great uncle was on the city council.

00:04:58.000 My grandfather was a very powerful district court judge, and they tried to bribe my mom and my grandmother with $500, which was the cost of an abortion at the time, to abort me.

00:05:10.000 They did everything they could.

00:05:11.000 They pressured them everything they could to get my mom to murder her baby, but she just couldn't bring herself to do it. 1.00

00:05:17.000 And so on July 28, 1973, at age 15, she had me.

00:05:23.000 Um she took that $500, actually, her and my grandmother did, and moved out to California where they didn't start their life all over again.

00:05:34.000 And I wish I could tell you things were great.

00:05:37.000 She met a Navy shoreman while she was out there.

00:05:39.000 That's where I get my last name.

00:05:40.000 He came from a very dysfunctional family as well.

00:05:43.000 His dad was an alcoholic, very abusive.

00:05:45.000 He modeled a lot of that to us as well.

00:05:48.000 So, you know, my biological didn't bother.

00:05:51.000 My my stepdad um thought that he could uh emulate Robert uh, you know, uh Duvall's great Santini as a model of fatherhood.

00:06:00.000 So I didn't come into this with a lot of great masculine role models or anything at all.

00:06:05.000 Um I was a good student and a decent athlete growing up, but then after I went to college, and like a lot of young men of this era, I was aimless, um, overexposed to pornography, aimless, um, uh just no purpose, nothing going on whatsoever.

00:06:20.000 Um, and then I met a girl, and she's my wife now, and that gave me my first real direction, this idea that I've I've got to do more than work in the mail room here for the rest of my life.

00:06:33.000 And and that'll but that only took me so far, right?

00:06:36.000 And and then sooner or later I was at a promise keepers eventually almost over 20 years ago in Kansas City, an event that the day they announced it at the church we were going to, I thought, whatever else is happening on September 18th, 2003, I need to be there.

00:06:51.000 And then the day before the event, I felt like I don't care what is going on at that event.

00:06:55.000 I shan't, I I should not go, I can't go.

00:06:57.000 It's the worst place in the world, I shouldn't go.

00:07:00.000 And it was at this event that uh the Lord converted me.

00:07:03.000 Uh and my wife would tell you that she's on her, she's on her second marriage now. 1.00

00:07:11.000 It just so happens the guy had the same exact first and last name both times, you know, and and my wife and I basically met in the in the AOL dial-up chat room version of Tinder.

00:07:24.000 Okay, we we did we did not think we were gonna be born-again believers with like minivans who homeschooled our kids.

00:07:31.000 The joke was on us, right?

00:07:33.000 We were just trying to sin, frankly, and the Lord had other ideas.

00:07:36.000 What we meant for evil, God used for good, and so now we've been married now for 28 years.

00:07:42.000 My wife is a liberty grad and has a professional Christian counseling service.

00:07:49.000 I put the fun and fundamentalism on the blaze every single day, and we have three kids, and they all love the Lord.

00:07:56.000 Nobody hates America, right?

00:07:58.000 Nobody's hair is blue, so we must be doing something right, okay.

00:08:04.000 I I love that story for a variety of reasons, and I just also want to pause.

00:08:08.000 Think about how many Steve Daceas are aborted every single year in our country.

00:08:12.000 It's just there's a heaviness to that.

00:08:14.000 And also, it should be hopeful that for every life that we're able to save from abortion, it could be somebody that impacts millions of other people.

00:08:22.000 Every life is precious in the eyes of God.

00:08:24.000 Secondly, Steve, I love that story because it shows the American dream is still alive.

00:08:29.000 Yes.

00:08:29.000 And I just want to make sure that your story is so uniquely American.

00:08:33.000 Born to a 15-year-old mom, you travel across the country, not a great father figure, and you still figured it out.

00:08:38.000 Yep.

00:08:38.000 The Lord met you.

00:08:40.000 You you now have material success, you have a big platform.

00:08:43.000 Only in America is a story like that possible, everybody.

00:08:45.000 And we we must fight to the end to defend that hope and that truth.

00:08:51.000 And amen.

00:08:52.000 So, Steve, let me ask you when you gave your life to the Lord, the Promise Keepers event in 2003.

00:08:58.000 Walk us through what provoked you with that.

00:09:01.000 Was it it was obviously an overly masculine type event, that's how they operate.

00:09:06.000 And do you think that the church is missing some of what you actually saw in that event back in 2003?

00:09:12.000 So you know, we started going to church because we had our first child, Anastasia, who shows up on my show every now and then.

00:09:21.000 And now as an adult, and she's married.

00:09:23.000 Uh, her husband uh is in the military, they have a beautiful granddaughter, Autumn.

00:09:27.000 She is cuter than your grandkids, and I will fight you when this is over that. 1.00

00:09:32.000 And um when we brought Anna home from the hospital, Charlie, I remember the first time we brought her home.

00:09:38.000 We were in our crummy two-bedroom apartment.

00:09:41.000 I had just started out.

00:09:42.000 Um, I had moved on, I'd moved my way up to sports reporter at the Des Moines Register, and now I'm doing a local talk show, but there had never been a sports show in Des Moines, so it's not exactly Bill and Seven Figures, okay?

00:09:54.000 And my wife wants to be a stay-at-home mom with the daughter, so we're on one income, and we live in this crummy two-bedroom apartment, and the second apartment is where I had my prolonged adolescence.

00:10:04.000 All right, it's it's where I kept my porn collection.

00:10:07.000 Uh it's it's where I kept my video games and all that kind of stuff.

00:10:10.000 Well, that was the only place we had left to bring a crib to put a crib for our baby. 1.00

00:10:15.000 And I remember shortly after we brought Anastasia home, I I go into that bedroom and I see her there, and and I went from very athletic and in high school, I'm now like 400 pounds.

00:10:25.000 I mean, I've I've essentially got every malady of aimless young men of this era.

00:10:30.000 I am the proto version of it.

00:10:32.000 All right, I'm abusing food, I'm abusing sex, I'm searching for purpose, direction. 0.98

00:10:37.000 And I remember looking at Anastasia, and I just had this feeling of dread, like, this kid is screwed with me as a dad. 0.91

00:10:44.000 And and I I remember thinking, this is the one I think I have found the one thing Hillary Clinton is right about.

00:10:50.000 It is going to take a village to raise this kid, okay?

00:10:54.000 And and I can see and look back on it now and see that was the wooing process.

00:10:58.000 That was the Holy Spirit calling me, trying to get my attention.

00:11:01.000 And you know, when I went to that Promise Keepers, this said about two years, it took two years from that moment to get to that promise keepers.

00:11:08.000 And I remember being there and walking in the arena, and these guys are holding hands and singing songs, and I'm like, Nope.

00:11:16.000 No.

00:11:17.000 Nope.

00:11:18.000 That's not happening.

00:11:19.000 Okay.

00:11:20.000 And then um, the very first speaker was a guy named Joe White.

00:11:25.000 And he's doing this talk where he's erecting these life-size crosses, and he's, I see a head nodding over there, right?

00:11:31.000 And he's talking about, and somehow he parlays parlays this, these three men at the cross, Jesus, and then the two criminals.

00:11:38.000 And and and then essentially they're archetypes of different forms of manhood and masculinity, both fulfilled and dysfunctional.

00:11:45.000 And he parlays this into the damage that fathers do to their sons.

00:11:48.000 And I remember looking around this arena, there's 12,000 people in there that night, and I'm like, who told this cat I was coming?

00:11:54.000 All right, like this whole thing is like to set me up, it's to ambush me, right?

00:11:58.000 And then they take an altar call.

00:12:00.000 And I remember thinking, man, altar calls are only for really bad Pentecostal television, okay?

00:12:06.000 Which is funny now, because I go to a Pentecostal church, and my Pentecostal minister is in the audience with me here, so God has a sense of humor, okay.

00:12:14.000 And and I remember thinking I need to get up and answer this call.

00:12:19.000 And and I, and then I thought, no, I'm not gonna do this.

00:12:23.000 I'm not gonna prove God you were right about me.

00:12:26.000 And so I set my size back then, size 50 genes, back down into that, well, more like squeezed, back into that seat.

00:12:34.000 And the next thing I know, I am I've gone from the upper deck of Kemper Arena in Kansas City, I'm on the concrete floor, sobbing.

00:12:42.000 Just years and years of tears of sins that I have committed that have been committed against me.

00:12:47.000 It's like I am purging darkness.

00:12:50.000 Now, here's the thing, though.

00:12:52.000 For that to take root, one plants and other waters, God gives the increase.

00:12:56.000 For that to take root required a community of men who came around me after that.

00:13:02.000 And some of and some of those men, I just got a text from one of them on my ride over here.

00:13:06.000 He just lost his job.

00:13:08.000 Now we don't even see each other anymore all the time because we're busy now, and it's been 20 years.

00:13:12.000 But 20 years later, he knows.

00:13:15.000 20 years later, he knows he can text me right away and say, Can you pray for me?

00:13:19.000 I need some help.

00:13:20.000 Can you call me when you get back from Phoenix?

00:13:22.000 Because I've got to pick my life up again, you know, at age 50, and I don't know what I'm gonna do.

00:13:27.000 Do you have those kinds of men around you, men?

00:13:30.000 Because I can promise you, your chances that you're gonna reach the finish line and hear, well done, good and faithful servant, decrease and diminish if you do not.

00:13:38.000 You need to seek that community.

00:13:40.000 Our churches.

00:13:42.000 Our churches, you can tell a lot about a church by the condition of its men's ministry or the lack thereof.

00:13:47.000 Because frankly, a lot of pastors don't want a vibrant men's ministry.

00:13:51.000 So, ladies, forget that you're in the room for a second, and I'm just gonna talk to the guys.

00:13:55.000 We are not like them.

00:13:57.000 We don't want to perpetually sit around and talk about what's going on in our lives.

00:14:02.000 We will once or twice come to a barbecue or a steak fry, and we'll purge our sins to our brothers.

00:14:08.000 And then after that, we're like, okay, cool, I've got things to do.

00:14:11.000 Are we gonna go to war or not?

00:14:14.000 If we're not gonna go to war, I don't have time to do this every week.

00:14:17.000 Because we're not like them.

00:14:18.000 Just the purging of emotion doesn't do for us what it does for them.

00:14:22.000 We want results.

00:14:23.000 What is the bottom line reason why I'm doing this?

00:14:26.000 And so a lot of times a church does not want a vibrant men's ministry because the men are like that, because the men will say, okay, cool.

00:14:33.000 I came forward, I confess my sins, the Lord's doing a work in my life.

00:14:36.000 So when do we go to work, Pastor?

00:14:38.000 When's the I mean, the shooting's already started?

00:14:40.000 When do we go to the front?

00:14:41.000 When do we go to the war?

00:14:42.000 And instead, I'd rather have most pastors.

00:14:44.000 I'd rather have my sweater vests, my pleated khakis, my Hawaiian shirts, and I'd rather be really comfortable in my pottery barn church where I've where I've got an evangelical monasticism in the middle of this suburb that I don't intersect with at all.

00:14:58.000 And if you approach my campus at two o'clock on a Tuesday, nothing is happening except somebody on a riding lawnmower mowing the lawn.

00:15:06.000 And that's why get in a church that engages the men, that organizes the men.

00:15:12.000 Men need structure, men need a mission, men need to be challenged, right?

00:15:18.000 Most one of the reasons why we need women in our lives, you guys give us direction. 0.91

00:15:23.000 You guys give us a purpose, we need competition.

00:15:26.000 And the church, because the family has fallen apart, frankly, the church is gonna have to provide a lot of that structure for the next generation of men.

00:15:34.000 Everything was done in the last generation of church growth inc, which I would send to the lake of fire if I could.

00:15:41.000 Everything was done in the last generation of church growth ink to reach Karen.

00:15:45.000 Every Christian music network has it has a composite of Karen, whose biggest struggle every day is will I will I get to my drop the kids off from school in time to reach my Pilates appointment? 0.81

00:15:57.000 And that's why the music has to be uplifting and hope-filled.

00:16:01.000 It is time to reach Ken.

00:16:03.000 It's time to reach Charlie, it's time to reach Steve.

00:16:07.000 Because here's the way the principle of headship works.

00:16:10.000 And this is how it works.

00:16:12.000 If you reach the men, you know, C.S. Lewis once said, aim for earth, aim for aim for earth, or aim for heaven, you'll get earth thrown in.

00:16:19.000 Aim for earth, you'll get neither.

00:16:20.000 If you aim for the men, you'll get the wife and the kids too. 0.99

00:16:24.000 If you leave the men alone, you'll get neither.

00:16:26.000 We need to now make it a purpose to go after the men.

00:16:31.000 They're clamoring for direction, ways they haven't for a couple of generations.

00:16:35.000 So the question now is will the church answer that call.

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00:17:38.000 So I have a two-part question.

00:17:40.000 Number one, when and why did that change?

00:17:43.000 Because the church used to be really good at this.

00:17:45.000 And then number two, why is it that the evangelical church seems so hostily uninterested in picking up the one trillion dollar bill on the sidewalk?

00:17:55.000 You guys understand right now, this is the greatest growth opportunity ever for the Catholic church With young men.

00:18:01.000 It's like growing like crazy.

00:18:02.000 They don't want to come to evangelical churches.

00:18:05.000 They tell us that.

00:18:06.000 We were just talking about this backstage.

00:18:08.000 They're like too weak, too woke, too feminine, too feelings-based.

00:18:11.000 I want something that doesn't change.

00:18:13.000 I want tradition.

00:18:13.000 I want sick, I want something sacred.

00:18:15.000 I don't want modernity.

00:18:16.000 So evangelicalism is falling out of favor.

00:18:19.000 And evangelicalism is a catch-all term for just what we all believe here, right?

00:18:23.000 Solo scriptura, you know, just whatever you want to fill it in.

00:18:26.000 Falling out of favor with young men.

00:18:28.000 We could talk about the Catholic thing separately, but when and why did this change?

00:18:32.000 And then just more interesting and curiously, why does the evangelical world just seem so just like, yeah, we don't need men?

00:18:37.000 They're not, they're doing nothing to reach them.

00:18:39.000 Nothing.

00:18:40.000 Well, you know, it's it's interesting.

00:18:42.000 I was um I was on uh America Family Radio with the American Family Association earlier this week, and and I said on their network, I said, when Don Wildman founded this ministry, he understood that he was downstream from the church, and that ultimately the church did the job of basic discipleship and catechesis, and then people needed specific marching orders of where they were called now to take their gifts and what they had learned and go impact the world for Christ with it.

00:19:10.000 And they went to parachurch organizations like the American Family Association.

00:19:14.000 What's happened in the last generation now since Don passed away, and Tim has taken over, is the American Family Association is now doing the Bible teaching that the church used to do.

00:19:24.000 I will tell you the number one piece of feedback I get on my show, other than why are you like this?

00:19:29.000 Okay, the other number one piece of feedback I get is why don't I hear more like this in my church?

00:19:35.000 Why am I getting more of this from a podcast than uh from you than I'm getting from my church?

00:19:40.000 And and ultimately, we have made two uh Faustian bargains in the last generation.

00:19:47.000 Number one, the American pastorate is more full of Esau's than Jacob's. 1.00

00:19:53.000 Instead of troubled, flawed men who are actively though, wrestling with God, they have a call on their life, they have a purpose, they have a plan, they're not perfect, they can fall away.

00:20:01.000 Jacob's name literally means schemer, by the way.

00:20:05.000 Usurper.

00:20:06.000 And so instead of troubled men who have a call that they seek to fulfill.

00:20:13.000 Instead, we're Esau's just going after the birthright, filling our bellies right now.

00:20:17.000 What will draw them in today?

00:20:20.000 What will fill the pews today?

00:20:22.000 What will pay the bills today?

00:20:23.000 What's the path of least resistance today?

00:20:27.000 We don't have elders anymore, we have boards of directors, we don't have creeds, we have mission statements.

00:20:32.000 And church now, on Sundays in most evangelical churches is for the unbelievers. 0.76

00:20:38.000 And if you really want to be discipled, come back on Sunday night, and then maybe it'll happen.

00:20:44.000 But we collect the tithe and make sure the lights are on and the bills are paid on Sunday morning.

00:20:49.000 Evangelism is part of what the church does, but your primary mission is to equip the saints for the work of the ministry.

00:20:55.000 That is discipleship.

00:21:00.000 So on one hand, the church has become heavily corporatized, and and then what happened in the counterculture made it convenient and incentivized it.

00:21:10.000 Feminism was the greatest thing that ever happened to boys who can shave. 0.88

00:21:14.000 You mean I can get sex with women with no requirements, no responsibilities whatsoever? 0.99

00:21:18.000 And then the woman's not stigmatized anymore either for acting out immorally, but now that's a asserting her femininity. 1.00

00:21:25.000 The Babylon Bee ran a headline the other day.

00:21:28.000 You might get mad at me for saying this, I'm gonna warn you.

00:21:30.000 Um, but the Babylon B ran a headline the other day about Nancy Mace.

00:21:34.000 All right, who wanted to who okay, okay, good, all right, all right.

00:21:38.000 And and and who's just an absolutely craven politician who's actually now showing nude pictures of herself in the Congress. 1.00

00:21:45.000 And and and the headline was Nancy Mace vows to keep showing naked pictures of herself until she finally stops the exploitation of women. 1.00

00:21:53.000 All right, I mean, this is what feminism has wrought. 1.00

00:21:56.000 Men who want to be sons of Adam, you know, we always we always read the story about Eve being tempted and succumbing.

00:22:01.000 You ever wondered what's Adam doing the whole time?

00:22:04.000 Just sitting there with his hands in his proverbial pockets, I got nothing, nothing, nothing's going on.

00:22:08.000 And notice later, by the way, after the fall, God does not call Eve Eve forth in the garden, does he?

00:22:13.000 Who does he call?

00:22:15.000 Adam.

00:22:15.000 You ever wondered what how history might have changed if Adam would have said, Listen, I had one job.

00:22:21.000 You gave me headship here, you gave me a dominion mandate, I fell down.

00:22:24.000 This is on me, I accept responsibility.

00:22:27.000 What do I have to do here to make penance and atonement?

00:22:30.000 Instead, Adam says, Well, it's this woman you gave me and makes excuses.

00:22:34.000 We follow in those footsteps.

00:22:36.000 As men, we want to make excuses because here's the thing we really understand about headship, but we don't want to admit.

00:22:42.000 We think it's about authority.

00:22:44.000 It is not.

00:22:44.000 It's about responsibility.

00:22:46.000 There already is an authority in this world.

00:22:48.000 It's God.

00:22:50.000 We don't want the responsibility of that authority then coming to us first.

00:22:54.000 When that family falls apart, when he comes to us first and says, uh, Adam, what you doing?

00:23:00.000 Steve, what you doing?

00:23:01.000 Richard, what you doing?

00:23:03.000 Mark, what you doing?

00:23:05.000 We don't want that authority.

00:23:06.000 And so feminism and all the isms and social pathologies of the last generation gave us a let's get out of jail free card. 1.00

00:23:13.000 And then what the church has done internally in the last generation with its theology is we have taken the the two greatest commandments that Jesus summarized, the Ten Commandments, right?

00:23:24.000 Moses comes down the mountain with two stone tablets.

00:23:26.000 The first is the vertical relationship between us and God, the second, the horizontal relationship between one another.

00:23:32.000 Right?

00:23:32.000 So the first is love the Lord your God while your heart, soul, strength, and mind.

00:23:35.000 What does that look like?

00:23:36.000 It's the first five commandments.

00:23:38.000 And then the second is just like it, love your neighbor as you love yourself.

00:23:40.000 What does that look like?

00:23:41.000 Well, it's the next five commandments.

00:23:43.000 What the last generation of the evangelical church has done is said, Love your neighbor as you love yourself is actually the greatest commandment.

00:23:50.000 People are now in the place of primacy where God is.

00:23:53.000 Now listen, people are important.

00:23:55.000 As far as we know, the only thing in the cosmos made in the likeness and image of the Creator are people.

00:24:02.000 I am a systematic theology nerd.

00:24:04.000 I will sit here and theo nerd out with you all night long, okay?

00:24:08.000 But Jesus did not die for a theology, he died for people.

00:24:11.000 There is nothing more important in the kingdom of God, all right, that he has given us in his creation other than us.

00:24:18.000 People are important, but they're not God.

00:24:21.000 And so we have made offending our neighbor worse than offending God.

00:24:26.000 So we will inject all forms of cowardice, all forms of heterodoxy, if not flat out heresy, into the church because I might drive somebody away.

00:24:35.000 God has placed their entire salvation.

00:24:37.000 Jesus went to the cross, he did it all, pronounced it finished.

00:24:40.000 But by golly, if you don't put the right frosting on Jesus' cake, people won't get saved.

00:24:45.000 It's all on you.

00:24:46.000 They're all up in heaven now, waiting to see if you'll do your job.

00:24:49.000 That's not how this works.

00:24:50.000 That's not how any of this works.

00:24:52.000 There is no way for your church.

00:24:54.000 There's just the way in his name is Jesus.

00:24:56.000 You're not a way, you're a human being.

00:25:01.000 And start fearing the one who can destroy the body.

00:25:05.000 Start fearing the one who can destroy the body and cast the soul into hell.

00:25:08.000 Amen.

00:25:09.000 There is not enough fear of God.

00:25:11.000 There is a lot of trifling with God.

00:25:13.000 There's a lot of, well, God will just overlook things and let things go.

00:25:17.000 No, he won't.

00:25:19.000 And ultimately, we have to make that first commandment great again.

00:25:23.000 Love the Lord your God while your heart, soul, strength, and mind.

00:25:26.000 And then you will understand what it means to love your neighbor as you love yourself.

00:25:30.000 Now, Charlie, I will tell you this though.

00:25:32.000 I am concerned there is an emerging movement in the church that is reaching the young men that agrees with everything I just said, but I am fearful that without proper guidance, they will actually fall into the opposite heresy in our time, which is they will stop loving their neighbor as they love themselves.

00:25:49.000 And they will turn people into ideological constructs. 0.97

00:25:52.000 Listen, I was born white trash to a 15-year-old mom. 0.98

00:25:56.000 I met my wife in the Tinder version of America online. 0.96

00:26:00.000 There was nothing in my background at all that would have indicated I'd be here doing this tonight, having this discussion with you.

00:26:07.000 So we still need to give the Lord's grace room to work.

00:26:11.000 Amen.

00:26:12.000 Alright?

00:26:13.000 The loving our neighbor as we love ourselves is eternally important.

00:26:17.000 But I think it's way past time that we stop being way start being way more concerned with offending God than offending the pagans.

00:26:29.000 And there are some churches that are getting it right.

00:26:33.000 Dream City here, some of the churches here present.

00:26:35.000 There is a remnant.

00:26:36.000 But explain to me, Steve, why is it that the church has slipped and has fallen so significantly from what the church should be.

00:26:49.000 I have my own theories.

00:26:50.000 It's because it actually comes down to a first principle question.

00:26:54.000 They have a different definition of what a church is.

00:26:57.000 And therefore, also, secondly, the other first Principle error, a category error is we have a different definition of what a pastor is.

00:27:04.000 So if you can't answer those two questions, then the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh sequence, you're gonna be completely off chart, of course.

00:27:12.000 Please.

00:27:13.000 I mean, if you want to be a pastor, your job description is very simple. 0.97

00:27:17.000 Feed the sheep and shoot the wolves. 0.90

00:27:19.000 That is the job description.

00:27:22.000 Jesus says to Peter, if you love me, you will what?

00:27:25.000 Feed my sheep.

00:27:27.000 One of my favorite quotes from Augustine.

00:27:29.000 There are many sheep without, but many more wolves within.

00:27:35.000 Alright, we we, you know, how now here's the thing though.

00:27:39.000 Because we do want it, we are, after all, event evangelical, so it kind of means we're supposed to be evangelic evangelistic, right?

00:27:46.000 That's kind of in the brand, right?

00:27:47.000 Okay.

00:27:47.000 So how do we know who's a sheep and who's a wolf?

00:27:51.000 Boldly proclaim the truth in season and out of season.

00:27:56.000 The consequences of how that truth is received is not your responsibility as a church or a pastor.

00:28:02.000 That is not your responsibility.

00:28:05.000 All right.

00:28:06.000 But you'll find out a sheep will say, Oh man, I didn't know.

00:28:12.000 I was talking to uh one of your guys, Sloan tonight before we came over here.

00:28:16.000 Yep, great guy.

00:28:17.000 And he was telling me about his wife, and that his wife was originally a card-carrying New York City Democrat.

00:28:22.000 And then she did this thing where she read the Bible cover to cover.

00:28:26.000 And she's like, Oh, God hates that, hates that, hates that, hates that, hates that.

00:28:31.000 I'm on the wrong side.

00:28:33.000 The last great revival of the Jewish people is led by a king named Josiah.

00:28:37.000 But it doesn't start with him.

00:28:39.000 There is a priest named Hilkiah who one day is cleaning out the temple, and they've got all the pagan relics they've allowed to infest God's house, the starry hosts, all the baal worship, all the Asherah poles, all of the disgusting filth is in there. 1.00

00:28:52.000 And one day he stumbles upon this dusty scroll and he picks it up.

00:28:57.000 It's the word of God.

00:29:00.000 It's the Torah, it's the law, and it ends in Deuteronomy with Moses saying, I've set before you blessing and cursing, choose life so that you may live in the land. 0.76

00:29:07.000 And he's like, Oh, snap.

00:29:10.000 And he takes this to King Josiah.

00:29:12.000 And Josiah now does not just reset the festivals and the law, but Josiah is the final king of Israel that goes to the high places and tears down the idols to Asherah and the sex cult that bedeviled the Jewish people for hundreds of years. 0.88

00:29:28.000 Alright?

00:29:29.000 Open, I've got a I'm gonna do I do strategy and messaging for a living.

00:29:34.000 I do it on my show.

00:29:36.000 I've done it for political campaigns.

00:29:37.000 Um people pay me, I think I'm pretty decent.

00:29:40.000 I'm gonna give you a freebie though, if you're a pastor, okay?

00:29:43.000 Here's my bright idea.

00:29:45.000 Walk into a pulpit, open the Bible, read it out loud, and tell people what it says.

00:29:52.000 That's what I got for you tonight.

00:29:55.000 And you will be amazed at the transformation that takes place.

00:29:59.000 The the greatest weapon of mass destruction in any spiritual cultural war is a man of God with the courage to open up that book and tell people what it actually says, come what may.

00:30:10.000 And ultimately, and ultimately, that is what is lacking the most.

00:30:14.000 And you'll know who the sheep are.

00:30:16.000 The sheep will respond and say, Wow, like Sloan's wife, we didn't know.

00:30:21.000 The wolves, you'll find out, they already knew.

00:30:24.000 They just didn't care.

00:30:26.000 Throw the wolves out and feed the sheep.

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00:31:31.000 What is your message to somebody in this audience that is currently attending a weak or a woke church?

00:31:38.000 What is the threshold for which they should leave and go to a church like Dream City or go to one, you know, a much better church that is biblically grounded.

00:31:47.000 Talk about your experience because the objections that we'll receive are this.

00:31:51.000 I got married in this church.

00:31:53.000 I have memories in this church.

00:31:54.000 They have a great kids' ministry.

00:31:56.000 They make great coffee.

00:31:57.000 The parking is very organized.

00:31:59.000 I like their worship music.

00:32:00.000 There is some great coffee out there if we're gonna be there.

00:32:03.000 But I mean, it's part of what I hear, right?

00:32:05.000 And so I I mean I hear the whole gamut.

00:32:07.000 And however, all those are excuses.

00:32:10.000 The one excuse that I do have a little bit of a tenderness for, and I want you to just go into it and you could obliterate it is Charlie, I have a relationship with the pastor, and I'm making progress, and I think I can, you know, get this towards a better conclusion.

00:32:26.000 I say, okay, after five years through COVID and Floyd Apalooza and the 2024 election, you're still, you know, we're not there yet.

00:32:33.000 It might be time to move on.

00:32:34.000 So you understand my question, Steve.

00:32:36.000 It's very important.

00:32:37.000 We're gonna post this on podcasting streaming.

00:32:40.000 Millions of people listen to this, and yet still there is a stubbornness in our audience that does not want to leave weak or woke churches.

00:32:48.000 Steve.

00:32:49.000 So the church we used to attend was not woke at all, uh, but it was weak.

00:32:54.000 And frankly, I thought it's what I needed.

00:32:56.000 I don't know if you guys have picked this up in the last 20 minutes.

00:32:59.000 I'm a little intense.

00:33:00.000 All right.

00:33:01.000 I I have actually tried to keep it fairly subtle for you guys tonight, since he's the main event and I'm just the undercard.

00:33:06.000 All right, but um, this is me on the down low, okay?

00:33:10.000 And so I actually thought that a softer church would be good.

00:33:14.000 I was always concerned with our kids, that the fact that dad's job was the culture war would make the faith almost overbearing to them.

00:33:22.000 All right, and so I thought maybe I needed to actually downplay some of the formalities and of our liturgies so that the kids had room to breathe and work out their own salvation.

00:33:32.000 Totally definitely.

00:33:33.000 Yes.

00:33:33.000 And so I thought maybe it was therapeutic for me just to go to a church, you know, on Sundays and not hear the culture war.

00:33:38.000 And then we get to the summer of 22, and Roe v.

00:33:41.000 Wade is overturned.

00:33:43.000 And in the middle of that message, my church made me feel like, as you know, I helped lead the fight in my state for passing one of the very first heartbeat bills in America in America.

00:33:56.000 And I mean, I I got to sign the proclamation of my state legislature the day that passed our legislature.

00:34:03.000 And and and that's one of the bills that was used to overturn Roe.

00:34:07.000 And I'm and my pastor's making me feel like I'm some kind of a freak show because I devoted, you know, the my faith and ministry to this cause.

00:34:15.000 And then he basically apologized for the overturning of Roe.

00:34:19.000 Hey, we're a pro-life church, but then he said, but we understand not everybody here agrees.

00:34:23.000 And I thought, why are there people in this room who think child sacrifice is okay?

00:34:27.000 Why are they why are they not made uncomfortable by feeling like this?

00:34:32.000 And I I loved our pastor.

00:34:36.000 I still, he's a dear dear man.

00:34:39.000 And and I had the same thing.

00:34:40.000 I was meeting with him, I thought I was making some progress.

00:34:43.000 And then one day we got an invite for a guy named Preston Sprinkle.

00:34:46.000 That name ringabelled anybody?

00:34:48.000 Oh, he's the he's the pro-tranny youth leader for um Campus Crusades. 0.99

00:34:52.000 Yes.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, he's the guy.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm he's on the Rob Bell character.

00:34:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:57.000 No, I I that's right.

00:34:57.000 I've always wanted to attack him publicly.

00:34:59.000 So please continue.

00:35:03.000 So I'm like, it's weird.

00:35:06.000 I don't know who this guy is.

00:35:08.000 And with all due respect, my show's not as big as Charlie's, but it's a pretty big audience.

00:35:12.000 I've got a lot of connections in the evangelical world, and I kind of think if we're inviting a speaker and I've never heard of him, who is this?

00:35:19.000 So I called up a buddy of mine who's the pastor of apologetics for Jack Graham's church in Dallas.

00:35:25.000 Uh Jeremiah Johnston.

00:35:26.000 Jack is great.

00:35:27.000 Yep.

00:35:27.000 And I called him up and I said, Hey, do you know a Preston Sprinkle?

00:35:31.000 And as soon as I got the words out of my mouth, Jeremiah goes, Oh.

00:35:35.000 So I know what that means.

00:35:36.000 He goes, do not let that camel's nose in under your tent. 1.00

00:35:40.000 Don't let him in.

00:35:42.000 He goes, he is absolutely sent by the enemy to disarm our churches.

00:35:46.000 He's gonna gain enough of a beach head, and then once he's got enough influence, just like Rob Belly told me, that's when he's gonna write his love wins and show he was a heretic all along.

00:35:54.000 Okay?

00:35:55.000 So I'm like, uh-oh.

00:35:56.000 All right.

00:35:56.000 So I go to our pastor, and he's like, yeah, but you know, my daughter handles that, and she thinks new voices would be good.

00:36:03.000 It was just very clear that the number one doctrine of this church was non-confrontationalism on every front.

00:36:09.000 And at that point, I'm I'm kind of the Holy Spirit's working on me, and I go home one day, and um at this point our daughters are grown, now moved out on their own, so it's just me, my wife, and my son, and he's 16, and I call them together and say, hey, you know, I know you guys are ultimately gonna say, you believe in me, it'll be my decision, but I want your input, all right?

00:36:28.000 I'm thinking it might be time to change churches.

00:36:30.000 And my son jumps right up right away.

00:36:32.000 He says, Dad, I I've I'm I'm so glad you said this.

00:36:37.000 I go, I I respect you too much that I've just not said anything for the last few years, but I don't ever want to go back there again.

00:36:44.000 And he said, Dad, can we please go to a church where I don't think I can beat up the pastor?

00:36:47.000 Those were his literal words.

00:36:52.000 And um, the next weekend, I thought I would check out Pastor Jesse's church because one of my one of my uh good buddies from my original men's group when we all got saved together at that promise keepers goes to his church.

00:37:07.000 And he had told me a few months ago that Pastor Jesse wanted to know why in the world is Steve Dace of all people going to a weak church, and I felt really convicted by that.

00:37:16.000 I don't think I've ever said that to Jesse actually.

00:37:19.000 And so on my own, unannounced, I went in there to check it out before I took the family, and I really just thought I could just sense, I'm like, wow.

00:37:31.000 What is the difference between we're doing church and I can really feel like the spirit is moving here?

00:37:38.000 Something is happening here.

00:37:40.000 And and we've been there ever since.

00:37:42.000 So can you distill that into a rubric or a one, two, three way of thinking about it in practice?

00:37:48.000 Let me make it very simple.

00:37:49.000 Make it very simple.

00:37:50.000 If if the trainee brigade showed up in the parking lot while service was going on and began doing drag queen story time hour in the parking lot of your church, would the pastor of your church stop service right away to assemble the elders, go out there to confront them and remove them from the premises? 0.80

00:38:07.000 If the answer is yes, remain.

00:38:09.000 If the answer is no, never go back.

00:38:14.000 And this is already happening organically, and I think it needs to accelerate.

00:38:22.000 And but Steve, what's been interesting to me, and then I do want to get to some questions.

00:38:26.000 I could by the way, you're on fire tonight, Steve.

00:38:28.000 I could listen to you.

00:38:29.000 It's amazing.

00:38:31.000 Uh are you seeing, for example, your former weak non-confrontational pastor.

00:38:38.000 Has he made any adjustments?

00:38:40.000 Did your exit change him at all?

00:38:42.000 And if not, why?

00:38:46.000 You know, now that I'm 50, I have a lot of sayings that I'm repeating over and over again that aren't as cool as I originally thought they were, but one of them is this.

00:38:54.000 No one can rise above their own worldview.

00:38:57.000 And I I just think he came out of a model and is invested in a model from another era.

00:39:05.000 You know, between Francis Schaeffer and Adrian Rogers, and Jerry Falwell Sr., essentially the men who formed the original religious right, Billy Graham, James Robson, between those people and what we have now, and and churches like this that we're at tonight, we had Bill Heibels and Rick Warren.

00:39:26.000 I grew up next to that church.

00:39:28.000 And that, and they were essentially the the bishops and the popes of American evangelicalism.

00:39:33.000 And, you know, the culture runs, the world runs on the principle of headship, that God's economy runs on headship.

00:39:40.000 As great as this ministry is, it would be broken if you found out tomorrow that the head of the ministry had been keeping a great moral failing from you all these years.

00:39:49.000 Look at what's happened to Gateway Church in Dallas with Robert Morris, for example.

00:39:53.000 That's headship.

00:39:54.000 That's why studies show that if mom takes the kids to church every Sunday and dad never goes, it's a flip of a coin where the kids will go when they're adults.

00:40:01.000 But if dad goes, regardless of what mom does, the kids will almost always go to church when they grow up.

00:40:07.000 That's headship.

00:40:08.000 That's responsibility.

00:40:10.000 And so ultimately the team takes on the identity of its coach.

00:40:14.000 And the most influential voices in evangelicalism in the last generation were guys who wore Hawaiian shirts in January and sweater vests in July.

00:40:23.000 That's how we got here.

00:40:24.000 And the church is the team, is their team, and it's taken on their identity.

00:40:28.000 You guys want to be blown away from by something.

00:40:30.000 I was listening to a sports podcast while working out the other day.

00:40:34.000 And one of the hosts was ragging on the other guy for dressing like a youth minister.

00:40:40.000 Like an evangelical youth minister.

00:40:42.000 There's never-majorative.

00:40:44.000 Yes.

00:40:44.000 There's never been anything about Christianity even alluded to ever in this sports podcast.

00:40:49.000 But yet the the uniform of the hipster uniform of the American youth pastor has crossed over into the mainstream that even the unchurched know what that knows that uniform and knows what it looks like.

00:41:01.000 Alright?

00:41:02.000 That is a problem.

00:41:03.000 We are known way more, guys, for what's on the outside of the cup than what's on the inside.

00:41:08.000 And here and here's the great irony of this era is the Pharisees are rampant.

00:41:14.000 But now they don't have the furrowed brows anymore.

00:41:17.000 They're not the furrow, well, except for Mike Pence.

00:41:19.000 They're not the perpetually furrowed brow brigade anymore.

00:41:22.000 Alright?

00:41:23.000 Now the Pharisees, they look hip, they look welcoming.

00:41:28.000 Right?

00:41:28.000 The orange juice is always crisp.

00:41:31.000 The donuts are is always fresh.

00:41:33.000 The donuts are always crisp.

00:41:34.000 Right?

00:41:35.000 And hey, if you've got donuts and juice at your church, that doesn't mean you're a bunch of sellouts, but is that what you're actually known for?

00:41:42.000 And let me say this too.

00:41:44.000 I want to make sure this point is very clear.

00:41:46.000 Mega church is not a population, it's a mentality.

00:41:51.000 Calvin preached to churches in the thousands in Paris and Geneva.

00:41:55.000 Spurgeon preached to churches in the thousands in London.

00:41:59.000 That Pentecost, 3,000 men, not counting the women and children, get saved.

00:42:03.000 By our modern measurements, that would be a mega church.

00:42:06.000 Mega church is a mentality.

00:42:08.000 Do you have elders that hold the pastor accountable or a board of directors that act like they're investors in him as a stock?

00:42:16.000 Do you have people in your church in leadership that you pretend are irreplaceable?

00:42:21.000 That they just they could never be replaced.

00:42:23.000 You know what?

00:42:24.000 Let me say this to you guys.

00:42:25.000 I said this backstage, let me say it here.

00:42:27.000 I want everybody in this room to think of the five or ten greatest evangelical teachers still alive and at work today.

00:42:34.000 And ask yourself do you know who the men are positioned in their own congregations to take their place?

00:42:39.000 Do you know who that is?

00:42:40.000 And I promise you, you're not the answer is gonna be no.

00:42:43.000 That's a problem.

00:42:44.000 The people knew that Joshua would succeed Moses.

00:42:47.000 The people knew Elisha would succeed Elijah.

00:42:51.000 The people knew there were that Jesus had apostles.

00:42:55.000 Who are the successors of this generation?

00:42:58.000 Where are they?

00:42:59.000 You're not that valuable, you're not that indispensable, nobody is.

00:43:04.000 Alright, the salvation of the people is up to the Lord between them and the Lord.

00:43:09.000 You're not if you want to, if you want to pretend that your church is an intermediary, congratulations, go back to 1516.

00:43:15.000 You just undid the reformation.

00:43:17.000 There's no more intermediaries between God and man.

00:43:20.000 The veil is torn.

00:43:22.000 We individually approach the throne of grace.

00:43:24.000 And whether even Dream City Church didn't exist, the stones would cry out.

00:43:29.000 We have forgotten that.

00:43:31.000 Get off your high horse.

00:43:33.000 You're not a brand.

00:43:34.000 You're not that important.

00:43:36.000 Alright.

00:43:37.000 One of the coolest things I ever saw in my life is after getting saved, I went to a promise keepers a few years later in my hometown of Des Moines.

00:43:46.000 And there and Chris Tomlin and his band were the music.

00:43:50.000 And they sang his song, Famous One.

00:43:53.000 And when they got done, they all, as we were all as men now, what's funny now?

00:43:58.000 At first I was like, I am not singing with these freaks.

00:44:01.000 Now I'm like singing my heart out a few years later.

00:44:04.000 Alright?

00:44:04.000 And as we're all singing along to the chorus, they all took their took their instruments, they set them down.

00:44:11.000 He put his microphone away, and they walked off the stage so they didn't take any applause.

00:44:16.000 Because it would be kind of ironic to sing a song called Famous One, that only Jesus is famous, and then take a standing ovation for that at the end.

00:44:24.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:44:25.000 We're not that important.

00:44:28.000 And here's the cool thing about that, though.

00:44:30.000 When we accept that, it is one of the most freeing things we will ever experience ever.

00:44:36.000 You mean there is a God and I'm not him.

00:44:39.000 This really isn't all about me.

00:44:41.000 This really doesn't rise and fall completely on me, really.

00:44:46.000 And and I can now sit on his shoulders.

00:44:49.000 I can rest on his shoulders, rest on him.

00:44:51.000 You know, you want to know what I do before I come out and do one of these speaking engagements?

00:44:56.000 Nothing.

00:44:57.000 I go into the men's room in the corner stall, I get prayed up, no script, no notes.

00:45:02.000 And then at that point, whatever I say is not my responsibility, take it up with him.

00:45:06.000 Alright.

00:45:07.000 That is so very freeing, and think I have to prepare all of the time, script everything all of the time.

00:45:13.000 We have a script.

00:45:15.000 Genesis to Revelation, 66 books.

00:45:17.000 Here's my big bold idea.

00:45:19.000 I'll repeat it again.

00:45:20.000 Open the book up.

00:45:22.000 Don't self-edit it.

00:45:24.000 Even the icky parts, those are the those are the most fun ones.

00:45:27.000 Open the book up, go all the way through it, and tell people exactly what it says.

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00:46:52.000 Let's do some questions.

00:46:53.000 Let's start lining up here.

00:46:55.000 Steve, uh, while we get the questions going here, how can people follow you, listen you, the that are uh moved by what you're saying tonight?

00:47:02.000 Thank you, brother.

00:47:03.000 You know, the easiest thing to do is to follow me on uh X, formerly Twitter, because that kind of centralizes all the content I put out.

00:47:10.000 That's at Steve Day Show on X, at Steve Dace show on X. Shameless plug.

00:47:17.000 Um Amazon is actually trying to shut our book down as we speak because it's never easy.

00:47:21.000 All right.

00:47:22.000 First they approved it, now they're telling us it's in review.

00:47:25.000 But I have a mock.

00:47:27.000 To me, I I think we need to bring there are some things the Catholics are right about.

00:47:31.000 For example, the old Irish Catholic saying, What the devil hates the most is to be mocked.

00:47:35.000 I think we need to make mockery and scorn great again.

00:47:38.000 All right.

00:47:38.000 I'm talking Elijah and Mount Carmel like mockery.

00:47:42.000 Like when Elijah says to the prophets of Baal while they're cutting themselves and getting nothing, and he says, Well, maybe your god's on the maybe your fake demon gods on the toilet, so he can't respond.

00:47:50.000 He's mocking them, trolling them.

00:47:52.000 Why?

00:47:53.000 Because the people need to see this isn't real power.

00:47:56.000 To quote the great prophet Rocky Balboa, he bleeds like I bleed.

00:48:00.000 They need to see there's no power in these shibbolets. 1.00

00:48:03.000 There's no power in these idols, mock them, scorn them.

00:48:06.000 That's why Elijah did that.

00:48:08.000 He wanted the people to see what they worshiping has no power.

00:48:12.000 It's not worth your fear and reverence, only God is.

00:48:15.000 And so, in that spirit, I think it's time once and for all to take Pride Month down.

00:48:20.000 And so my little effort to do that, to pull Pride Month's pants down, but not in the way that they would like, is with a new book called Richie Meets the Rainbow.

00:48:29.000 And it's endorsed it, right?

00:48:30.000 You did, yes.

00:48:31.000 And it's a children's book, but it's really for adults, and it's really for dads.

00:48:37.000 And I'll give you a hint.

00:48:38.000 The dad, when when his kid comes home and says, Dad, why is my blue-haired teacher trying to trans me and show me rainbows with only six colors?

00:48:46.000 The dad does this really cool thing.

00:48:49.000 He takes out the Bible, shares the actual story of the rainbow with his son, but then he gives an action step and he says to his son, I am going to become a very familiar presence at the local school board meetings here on out.

00:49:02.000 All right.

00:49:02.000 So we make the dad the hero at the end of this.

00:49:05.000 And so if you want to get more information about that, you can go to Richie Meets the Rainbow with R-I-C-H-I-E, Richie Meets the Rainbow.com.

00:49:12.000 Phenomenal.

00:49:13.000 Thank you, Steve.

00:49:14.000 Let's start right here.

00:49:16.000 Hey guys.

00:49:17.000 Hey, Steve Nefarious is amazing, by the way.

00:49:20.000 Just throwing that out there.

00:49:22.000 Hey, um, I just got newly activated and saved a few years ago, and I just became familiar with the book of Enoch.

00:49:28.000 And I'm wondering if you guys consider that Canon that was taken out by, I don't know, conspiracy theory stuff, because I read it's in the Ethiopian Bible, but not here.

00:49:36.000 So it's not canonical.

00:49:38.000 Do you want to start?

00:49:38.000 And I can.

00:49:39.000 Well, my understanding is, although it's we believe that Jude, we think quoted Enoch, right?

00:49:44.000 Correct.

00:49:45.000 Okay.

00:49:46.000 So my understanding is it's not canonical for the re not the reasons some of the other books are not.

00:49:50.000 In this case, it's not necessarily that they thought the church fathers thought the teaching or the Protestant church fathers at the Reformation thought the ch that the book was heretical, necessary, necessarily, but it's auth, it's authentic the authorship could not be authenticized.

00:50:03.000 And that was the big issue with Enoch and Well, yeah, but also it's not I don't know.

00:50:06.000 I could be wrong.

00:50:07.000 It's not even apocryphal.

00:50:09.000 I mean, uh meaning that even in the Catholic Bible, the book of Enoch is not.

00:50:12.000 I could be wrong.

00:50:13.000 No, I know I first and second Maccabees.

00:50:15.000 But let me say No, no, no, it's not, I don't think it is.

00:50:18.000 So for those that don't know, the book of Enoch, we we only have it because of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is only about a 60-year discovery.

00:50:25.000 There is some mysticism in the book of Enoch that's in who the sons of God are in Genesis that has some great tension with normative Trinitarian Christian theology.

00:50:33.000 Here's the one thing that we will say.

00:50:35.000 Enoch, interestingly enough, in the Bible, here's a fun trivia question.

00:50:38.000 Only two people to go to heaven besides Jesus, Elijah and Enoch.

00:50:41.000 Uh Enoch actually ascended to heaven.

00:50:43.000 The more interesting question that we need to ask is the term Enoch, who exactly was he in the first couple books of Genesis, uh, who were the Nephilim.

00:50:52.000 You guys could go, you know, into like let's just say dangerously deep rabbit holes on that.

00:50:57.000 That is what we call an open hand theological issue, not a closed hand theological issue, right?

00:51:02.000 If you think the Nephilim are like an alien race that came down to the earth, great, you might be right. 1.00

00:51:06.000 They built the Aztec temples, couldn't care less.

00:51:08.000 Most important question is who is Jesus Christ, right?

00:51:11.000 So it it you guys can kind of go in those different circles, but it's also not canonical for the reason that we as so this is a really important point.

00:51:19.000 That we as Christians and we as non-Catholics have an identical Tanakh, TNK, Torah, the Philemon and Khadetchem, of the of the Jews. 0.76

00:51:28.000 The Jews do not believe the book of Enoch is canonical.

00:51:31.000 So in about AD 80, right after the life of Christ, there was a huge meeting of rabbis where they established what we consider to be the Old Testament.

00:51:38.000 So if you go to a Jew in Jerusalem, they will have an identical Old Testament as we have. 0.98

00:51:43.000 The Catholics do not have an identical Old Testament. 0.98

00:51:46.000 They have first and second Maccabees, they have the wisdom of Ben Sarah, they have other books that I think are um like let's just say uh the extended edition.

00:51:55.000 Um, there's wisdom in those books, but they're not canonical for a lot of different reasons.

00:51:59.000 So we actually draw what we think is divine as to what Jesus was taught was divine when Jesus walked on the earth.

00:52:07.000 And when Jesus walked on earth, the book of Enoch was not central doctrinal uh theology of normative Judaism as the time.

00:52:14.000 Would that is that correct?

00:52:15.000 Right.

00:52:16.000 And in fact, you the point you made there about the rabbinical uh conclave that was held in 80 AD, uh, that reminded me, a lot of the Jewish um spiritual ecosystem at the time Christ arrived, was very similar to the world that we have today.

00:52:32.000 All right, there was a lot, remember, God had not spoken for 400 years.

00:52:36.000 Right?

00:52:36.000 So we get the we get the Dead Sea Scrolls because this sect called the Ascends go out on the Dead Sea to they're going, they're out there to copy the Old Testament, and essentially they think Messiah is coming, so they're out there to wait for him and copy the scriptures while they're awaiting him.

00:52:48.000 There was just as there's great fascination in eschatology in our day, there was great uh fascination at the time of Christ in the time leading up to it with messianic prophecy, and would it be fulfilled, when God would speak again.

00:53:01.000 There were all kinds of people claiming to be Messiah that were false messiahs.

00:53:05.000 Um there was a lot of mysticism that came out of this period, and so one of the reasons why, just like we had a council in Nicaea to correct some of the Gnosticism and Arianism that happened in the first couple centuries of the church, one of the reasons that the rabbis had this conclave in 80 AD is be around there is because they also were very concerned at the amount of error that was cropping up within Judaism at this time as well.

00:53:27.000 I you know, there's a great podcast out there called haunted cosmos by guys who are hard that are both pastors that get into this stuff biblically, and it's very fascinating.

00:53:36.000 I don't ever miss an episode.

00:53:38.000 I find it very interesting, but let's make sure we don't turn it into an idol, and that ultimately the heart of the gospel.

00:53:45.000 Now, the heart is the central organ of the body, right?

00:53:48.000 Did I say it was the only organ of the body?

00:53:50.000 And if other organs fail, your body could still die, right?

00:53:53.000 But we know if the heart fails, you will die.

00:53:55.000 We know that for sure.

00:53:56.000 Some other organs may fail, you may or may not die, but we know if the heart fails, We die, right?

00:54:01.000 Never remove the heart of the gospel, okay?

00:54:03.000 Sin, salvation, repentance, redemption, restoration.

00:54:08.000 That's the heart of the gospel.

00:54:10.000 So there should be a there, just like you have just like heart disease is the number one killer in our culture, and so there's an inordinate amount of medical care predisposed and targeted towards what's going on in terms of your cardiac health.

00:54:22.000 The amount of time you spend in the Bible should also focus and have an inverted ratio towards the heart of the gospel rather than some of these other issues, which I'm not saying are not important, but should never be a substitute for the heart of the gospel.

00:54:35.000 And last thing, so the Dead Sea Scrolls, all the attention goes to the book of Enoch.

00:54:38.000 What it shouldn't be.

00:54:39.000 The most amazing discovery in the Dead Sea Scrolls is an exact copy of Isaiah, word for word, syllable for syllable, going back thousands of years.

00:54:50.000 Basically saying, because one of the ways that they tried to refute Jesus Christ was like, oh, all these prophecies you say that he fulfilled was actually just like after editing of Isaiah.

00:55:02.000 It wasn't like virgin birth and that he came out of shrewd of dry ground.

00:55:05.000 Basically a retcon.

00:55:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:55:06.000 Isaiah 53.

00:55:07.000 No, no.

00:55:08.000 The Dead Sea Scrolls had a perfect intact copy of Isaiah, identical to our Isaiah, going back thousands of years, shifting the window so much that even like the Bible skeptics were like, whoa.

00:55:20.000 The fact that Isaiah was like word for word in the Dead Sea Scrolls shows that the Bible, of course, is true, but the Bible skeptics set back their argument generations.

00:55:30.000 Thank you very much.

00:55:31.000 Next question.

00:55:33.000 Hello.

00:55:33.000 Uh thank you for coming here.

00:55:37.000 Uh my name is Micah, and uh, you mentioned multiple times that we were in the last generation.

00:55:42.000 I was just hoping they could tell me what that means more.

00:55:46.000 Oh, um, well, I don't know if we're in the last generation eschatologically or not.

00:55:53.000 And the church has throughout the centuries from the very first century thought that it was in the last generation.

00:56:00.000 I do believe as as a culture, to me, the minimum stakes, if if if the current spiritual war were um were played for stakes, the minimum stakes we're playing for is what's left of Western civilization.

00:56:16.000 And if Western civilization is defeated and goes away, what will what will replace it?

00:56:20.000 Well, what came before it were the dark ages.

00:56:23.000 Now the new dark ages will not be like the old ones.

00:56:25.000 You're not gonna have you know rat droppings cause black plagues.

00:56:28.000 We've got indoor plumbing.

00:56:30.000 But the new dark ages will look like an episode of black mirror.

00:56:33.000 You want to have a black plague, you'll have black mirror. 0.79

00:56:35.000 Everything will be technocratic, you'll be governed by social credit scores.

00:56:39.000 Your electric car will be turned off if you're if they don't like what you say, right?

00:56:43.000 I mean, it'll it'll be like an episode of the Twilight Zone or Black Mirror.

00:56:47.000 And so we are in the determined generation, I believe, right now, about whether or not Western civilization is gonna survive.

00:56:55.000 Now, what is Western civilization?

00:56:56.000 It's basically what we used to call Christendom.

00:56:58.000 That's essentially what it is.

00:57:00.000 All right, it is it is countries that were greatly influenced by the Christian church and adopted those traditions into their customs to the point that it influenced their way of life, right down to the way that they adjudicated their laws, right?

00:57:14.000 And and that's you know, and and that's where America comes from.

00:57:18.000 America really is the last outpost left of Western civilization. 0.51

00:57:22.000 We are all that remains.

00:57:24.000 Now, don't be too concerned about that, though, because that's happened before.

00:57:29.000 In the greatest generation, we were all that was left too.

00:57:32.000 All that was left of Western civilization and stood between us and Hirohito and Hitler and Mussolini was us. 0.83

00:57:40.000 So other previous generations were the terminal generation, and they answered the call, they were up to the task, right? 1.00

00:57:48.000 We need to follow their example.

00:57:53.000 You know, one of the biggest lies being sold to American people right now is that you're in control of your money, especially when it comes to crypto.

00:57:59.000 But the truth, most of these so-called crypto platforms are just banks in disguise, fully capable of freezing your assets the moment some bureaucrat makes a phone call.

00:58:08.000 That is not what Bitcoin was built for.

00:58:10.000 That's why I use Bitcoin.com.

00:58:12.000 I just said a major transaction.

00:58:14.000 They offer a self-custodial wallet, which means you hold the keys, you control your assets.

00:58:20.000 No one can touch your crypto, not the IRS or not a rogue bank, not some three-letter agency that thinks it knows better than you do.

00:58:27.000 This is how it was intended by the original creators of bitcoin, peer-to-peer money, free from centralized control, free from surveillance, and free from arbitrary seizure.

00:58:36.000 So if you're serious about financial sovereignty, go to Bitcoin.com, set up your wallet, take back control, because if you don't hold the keys, you don't own your money.

00:58:44.000 Bitcoin.com freedom starts here.

00:58:48.000 Hi Charlie.

00:58:49.000 Hi, Steve.

00:58:50.000 Um, I would love to know your thoughts on the idea of corporate social responsibility.

00:58:55.000 So do large-scale companies that affect lots of people's lives have um an obligation to weigh in on social and political issues, or would everyone just be better off if they just stuck to selling.

00:59:06.000 I mean, I don't know if they could agree with us or not.

00:59:07.000 That's kind of what it comes down to.

00:59:09.000 I mean, first of all, I don't believe there's any such thing as the secular, and there are no neutral spaces.

00:59:15.000 All right.

00:59:15.000 If if if anything I said tonight, you will not remember.

00:59:19.000 Please remember this and take this with you, all right.

00:59:22.000 Someone will always rule, something will always be worshipped.

00:59:26.000 Iron law of the universe.

00:59:29.000 Someone will always rule, something will always be worshipped.

00:59:33.000 So in the last generation, secularism was introduced to disarm us. 0.86

00:59:37.000 And to make us think, yeah, our schools could just teach reading, writing, and arithmetic, basic skills, and get the Christianity out of there. 0.98

00:59:43.000 That was all done to remove us so that the new religion could take its place. 1.00

00:59:48.000 All right?

00:59:49.000 And and and you see this in Europe.

00:59:52.000 About two percent of France is evangelical.

00:59:54.000 The old Catholic cathedrals are now either strip malls, vacant or mosques, because someone will always rule and something will always be worshipped, right? 0.85

01:00:02.000 So that applies to the corporate sector as well.

01:00:05.000 All right, and and this is where, you know, listen, I don't want to be smirch rush, his brother's a good friend of mine, none of us would have our jobs without him.

01:00:14.000 But this is where my Christian faith has changed me as a conservative, and I frankly sound more like JD Vance now than I sounded when I was a rush baby 30 years ago.

01:00:22.000 Because Rush used to say the only job of a corporation is to produce a profit for its investors.

01:00:28.000 And I was like, yeah, because I believed that there were moral neutral spaces.

01:00:32.000 No, there's not.

01:00:34.000 You've heard people say you can't legislate you can't legislate morality.

01:00:37.000 It's the only thing you can legislate.

01:00:39.000 Every piece of legislation has a moral basis to it.

01:00:41.000 It's just a matter of whether or not it's actually moral or not.

01:00:44.000 Well, you want a theocracy.

01:00:46.000 Every government that's ever existed has been a theocracy.

01:00:49.000 It's just a matter of who the Theo is and whether they are really the Theo or not.

01:00:54.000 Okay?

01:00:54.000 And so we have to get out of our heads that there are going to be neutral spaces.

01:00:59.000 There aren't.

01:01:00.000 We are also beyond a culture war now.

01:01:02.000 We're in a cold civil war now.

01:01:04.000 That's where we're at.

01:01:06.000 With the the social compact, meaning that which binds a people together before they they confirm it in a constitution.

01:01:14.000 If you've been married, you and your spouse had a social compact before you went to the altar.

01:01:19.000 The things that bound you together were already determined.

01:01:22.000 That wedding is not what determined those things, it's the confirmation of them, right?

01:01:26.000 So the social compact is broken.

01:01:29.000 And so we're now in a we're in a cold civil war, and just as it was either going to be the West or the Soviet Union, it will be our worldview or theirs.

01:01:37.000 It's a steel cage match.

01:01:38.000 Two worldviews are walking in, only one's coming out.

01:01:41.000 Now, I don't know about everybody else in this room.

01:01:43.000 I kind of like wars better when my side wins and their side loses, all right?

01:01:47.000 And so therefore, we're gonna have to recognize there are no neutral spaces.

01:01:51.000 Corporations will either promote their values or the our values or the values of the spirit of the age.

01:01:56.000 There is no neutrality now.

01:01:58.000 We're either selling Michael Sam jerseys or Tim Tebow jerseys.

01:02:01.000 There's no in between.

01:02:03.000 So make up your mind and fight accordingly.

01:02:05.000 And I'll add to that the only disagreement I have is that there's actually two uh allied ideologies that are trying to squeeze the West.

01:02:12.000 And one of my I just stumbled into this, I guess, because I think the church is so neutered, and I think Steve will agree.

01:02:18.000 The the theological um misunderstanding fear around Islam with Christians is so scary.

01:02:28.000 Like, okay, 9-11 happened, and everyone talked about Islam for like a decade, and now for the last decade, we're like, oh, we can get along with Islam. 0.79

01:02:36.000 Like hold on.

01:02:37.000 There is an Islamic takeover of the West that is happening simultaneously with a secular, and I call it the Great Squeeze, the red green alliance, the Marxists and the Islamists and the Muhammadans are coming together to simultaneously choke out Christendom or Western civilization. 1.00

01:02:53.000 And we've gotten really good at criticizing secularism.

01:02:56.000 I gotta give us credit.

01:02:57.000 Like we're good at that.

01:02:58.000 We are wholly unequipped at criticizing Islam.

01:03:02.000 I agree.

01:03:02.000 Like, we don't know what the Hadith is.

01:03:04.000 We don't know what the Hajj is.

01:03:06.000 We don't know the difference between the Quran or Shia or Sunni.

01:03:09.000 And it's about time you start learning.

01:03:12.000 Because if I just came from London a couple weeks ago.

01:03:14.000 I debated at Oxford and Cambridge.

01:03:16.000 Maybe you saw the video.

01:03:17.000 It was mostly mostly peaceful.

01:03:19.000 And Oxford, Oxford's coming out in a couple days.

01:03:22.000 And that is a conquered country.

01:03:25.000 And it's a city full of contradictions.

01:03:27.000 You have Yemeni, Omani, Pakistani, Afghanistan. 0.86

01:03:31.000 I mean, it is completely Islamic with gay pride flags everywhere.

01:03:36.000 Well, that makes sense, it makes perfect sense.

01:03:38.000 Because it's no different than two enemies that have taken over a land and they have a peace treaty. 0.98

01:03:43.000 I won't take down your gay stuff. 1.00

01:03:45.000 You won't go, and you just kind of say, but we're not gonna, we're not gonna allow the Westerners, the native Britons, any voice. 0.85

01:03:52.000 So we understand that it's like a peace treaty between two different competing forces, no different than Hitler and Mussolini or Hitler in Imperial Japan.

01:04:00.000 So all that to say, we have to become more equipped, and everybody, it is so glaring.

01:04:05.000 This is it is actually easier to make the theological argument against Islam to the church than even the secular one.

01:04:12.000 Because we we know this.

01:04:14.000 We it it's it's the it's the son of Hagar, it is Ishmael, it is prophesied. 0.84

01:04:19.000 We know what they believe, and it's not what we believe at all.

01:04:22.000 And we could see it by their fruit.

01:04:24.000 50 plus Islamic countries and Christians aren't moving there, but they're all moving to our countries. 1.00

01:04:29.000 They don't believe in separation of mosque and state, they don't believe in private property life like we do, or freedom of speech or blasphemy laws, anyway.

01:04:36.000 So a lot that I can go there.

01:04:37.000 I just want to make sure, and it's just a pet project of mine.

01:04:39.000 I sent out a tweet the other day.

01:04:40.000 I said, Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. 1.00

01:04:43.000 60 million people saw that tweet.

01:04:45.000 Because I think I really struck a nerve because people are afraid to say that.

01:04:49.000 Let me say it again.

01:04:50.000 I'm not saying that you might not have good friends that are Muslims.

01:04:52.000 My primary care doctor is Muslim.

01:04:54.000 He's a moderate Muslim, he's amazing, Dr. Zudi Jasper.

01:04:56.000 You might know him.

01:04:57.000 Great guy.

01:04:58.000 That's not the point.

01:04:59.000 The point is Islam as a governing philosophy.

01:05:02.000 Is it compatible with the West?

01:05:04.000 And it's completely at odds with Christendom.

01:05:06.000 It's about time we start waking up to it.

01:05:08.000 Can I add one thing to what he just said?

01:05:11.000 Because I I want to make sure this if if right wing watch or any of those uh periodicals are watching.

01:05:17.000 Okay, this is just so you guys know, this is the part you should be sending your press release out about.

01:05:22.000 I'm gonna make your job easier for you.

01:05:24.000 Okay.

01:05:24.000 So just to add kids.

01:05:25.000 Yes, exactly.

01:05:26.000 Just to add to that, just as we have denominations, so does hell.

01:05:30.000 So just as we have denominations and have vehement arguments, because sometimes you'll hear conservatives say things like, well, you're holding up your queers for Palestine sign.

01:05:40.000 Have you ever tried being a queer in Palestine? 0.89

01:05:43.000 As if we like got them in some like cosmic hypocrisy they never understood or didn't know, right?

01:05:49.000 No.

01:05:49.000 What the they're part of the the same axis?

01:05:52.000 All right, hell has denominations too.

01:05:55.000 So that's why the picture from Boulder, Colorado over the weekend, with the bare chested Egyptian illegal alien, bragging about the scorched march from his Molotov cocktails on the sidewalk. 0.98

01:06:04.000 Did you guys see what was over his shoulder? 0.95

01:06:07.000 Gay cracking. 1.00

01:06:08.000 Not just that, even a tranny flag. 0.99

01:06:10.000 A tranny flag on a government building over his shoulder flying proudly. 1.00

01:06:15.000 Let me tell you, there's a that you don't get one half of that picture without the other.

01:06:20.000 And the thing you need to understand about Islam too, there is no love your neighbor as you love yourself in Islam.

01:06:26.000 So when Charlie says things like Islam is not compatible with Western civilization, well, what does that mean then? 0.75

01:06:32.000 You guys are gonna criminalize my religion, you're gonna eat. 1.00

01:06:35.000 No, we're not gonna we can't we won't do to you what you do what you do to us because we have to love our neighbor as we love ourselves.

01:06:41.000 Alright?

01:06:42.000 So, no, we will grant you your you're made in the image of God too.

01:06:46.000 We will grant you your God-given rights, the accommodations that you would not grant us, but you cannot use your God-given rights in order to spread and influence our institutions for a false God.

01:06:58.000 Amen.

01:06:58.000 That is where we will draw the line.

01:06:59.000 We'll get to this question, and I'm gonna make a prediction.

01:07:02.000 If there, if if God will rise up a generation of truth tellers, the greatest revival that yet is to happen is Muslim the Christian. 0.72

01:07:09.000 They still honor Jesus, they still have some canonical familiarity.

01:07:14.000 Islam to Christianity will be one of the greatest moves of God in the next 100 years. 0.56

01:07:18.000 Mark it down, write it, and go to work on it.

01:07:20.000 I'm telling you, it's gonna happen.

01:07:21.000 Yes.

01:07:22.000 Hello, thank you guys for coming tonight.

01:07:24.000 Uh Steve, I loved your testimony and learning about your radical transformation.

01:07:29.000 What words of encouragement would you give to those who desire a change in their life but don't know where to start?

01:07:35.000 All right.

01:07:35.000 Um to me, you cannot have a more intimate relationship with God initially than with his word.

01:07:44.000 And I I'm gonna sound like a broken record, but it is the only perfect thing on the earth.

01:07:50.000 And I mentioned a name earlier, Adrian Rogers.

01:07:53.000 And when he told a story about when he first got into ministry, he did an old-fashioned Baptist tent revival, and like nobody came.

01:08:01.000 And he thought maybe I wasn't called to the ministry, maybe this is what I'm supposed to do.

01:08:05.000 I'm very discouraged.

01:08:06.000 So he said, I wouldn't recommend you do this, but I took my Bible and I went out in the woods, and I said, Lord, I need to hear a word from you.

01:08:12.000 If you have truly called me into the ministry, I'm gonna open up this Bible, and when I look down, it better speak to me.

01:08:19.000 And he randomly opened his Bible, and we looked down, and it was a verse in Ezekiel where the prophet says, Though they are a wicked and stiff-necked people, they will know that a prophet was among them.

01:08:30.000 And he said, Wow, that told me right away.

01:08:32.000 My job is not the results.

01:08:34.000 My job is just to deliver the message, right?

01:08:36.000 But he got that intimacy because he opened God's word with an expectation that God had something to say.

01:08:44.000 And that would be my encouragement for everyone within the sound of our voice.

01:08:48.000 You're watching this in here or later online.

01:08:50.000 If you want a more intimate relationship with God, open his word with the expectation he has something to say.

01:08:57.000 Amen.

01:08:57.000 Thank you.

01:08:58.000 Look, I want to get to two more.

01:08:59.000 So here and here.

01:09:00.000 Yes, sir.

01:09:01.000 Really quick.

01:09:01.000 Yeah, question for Steve.

01:09:03.000 Uh, buy, sell, or hold.

01:09:05.000 Nefarious part two, or are you in a candlelight pinner with Lindsay Graham?

01:09:10.000 You know, I'm actually wearing a suit coat that a tailor at Jack Hibbs Church had customized for me years a few years ago with the nefarious uh movie stuff in it.

01:09:21.000 So we are working on the sequel as we speak.

01:09:25.000 Um, so apparently, you know, I've got more trips to the ER in the in the in the next few years.

01:09:30.000 So tell them really quick about the movie and the spiritual warfare associated.

01:09:34.000 Oh, I mean, everything I mean, people nearly died, murdered.

01:09:38.000 Um, the movie, the devil did not want that movie to come out and did everything he could.

01:09:42.000 But you know what?

01:09:43.000 Let me do this.

01:09:44.000 Because whenever we talk about spiritual warfare, we always talk about the ominous part.

01:09:48.000 Let me share a quick story with you guys about how it's waged on the other side and how we win.

01:09:53.000 So we got done making the movie and finding an editor who could do a Christian horror film was not an easy thing to find.

01:10:00.000 And our first editor bombed, and the assembly and the and the first rough cut he sent us, they didn't want to show me as the producer because they thought this movie is terrible.

01:10:08.000 And so one day in the middle of my show, I get an email during commercial break from a guy named Brian Jeremiah Smith.

01:10:14.000 He says, You don't know me, I'm a believer, never miss an episode of your show.

01:10:17.000 I've been waiting for this movie nefarious.

01:10:20.000 I just got laid off at Netflix as their top editor.

01:10:24.000 Uh, because um I'm the only editor in the whole company, didn't take the jab.

01:10:28.000 And they were gonna fire me, but then the Supreme Court just said they couldn't do that.

01:10:31.000 And so now they don't know what to do with me, so they put me on indefinite paid leave.

01:10:34.000 I'm sure it's too late to help you with your movie.

01:10:37.000 But here's my resume.

01:10:39.000 And if you need any help one day on a future project, let me know.

01:10:42.000 I opened the attachment, his resume is all in the genre we're working on right now.

01:10:46.000 And I sent it over to my my product my producer team and said, we need to get on this guy.

01:10:51.000 They they met with him right away, and we're they were like, we can't afford this guy.

01:10:55.000 But here's the thing.

01:10:56.000 Netflix had him on, paid leave.

01:11:00.000 So, so we paid him what we could.

01:11:04.000 Netflix picked up the tab, and the scripture that says the wealth of the wicked will be stored for the stored up for the righteous.

01:11:12.000 This was fulfilled right there in our hearing.

01:11:14.000 I love it.

01:11:15.000 Last question, yes, ma'am.

01:11:16.000 Love that.

01:11:18.000 Hi, my name's Ashley.

01:11:20.000 Um, Steve, my parents are huge fans of the don't stop talking about you.

01:11:25.000 So it's so cool that you're here.

01:11:26.000 My question is for both of you.

01:11:28.000 You're both in conservative media.

01:11:30.000 What's the biggest challenge you're seeing, and what are you doing to face that and overcome it?

01:11:35.000 Real quick, the hardest challenge is knowing what information is even true to comment on.

01:11:40.000 When I first got into this, just as one example, when I first got into this business, I mean, I went to the Gospel Coalition website every day as a as a must-read to get prepared.

01:11:49.000 Now I wouldn't have my dog uh defecate on it.

01:11:53.000 All right.

01:11:54.000 So, I mean, knowing what is actually I have to do so much of my own homework and verification of information Now, to even know what is true that I'm commenting on.

01:12:04.000 That's the biggest challenge that I have right now.

01:12:06.000 Yeah, the biggest challenge that I have is I just hate seeing some of the uh petulant infighting.

01:12:11.000 My new thing is that if you have more than like two hours screen time on your social media apps, like there's something wrong.

01:12:19.000 Go for a walk and go by a lake, you know, get a girlfriend. 0.99

01:12:24.000 Like, there's just like chronically online is very bad.

01:12:28.000 And I think it creates a willingness to try to have a more provocative take and be over the top in a way that I think is somewhat destructive to the movement.

01:12:36.000 And uh we're gonna keep our eye on that.

01:12:38.000 Steve, God bless you, man.

01:12:39.000 This was wonderful.

01:12:40.000 Thank you so much.

01:12:40.000 Give it up for Steve Dace, everybody.

01:12:43.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:12:45.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:12:47.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 07, 2025

A Revival of Christian Men is Necessary — Live with Steve Deace at Dream City Church

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