The Charlie Kirk Show - April 23, 2022


A Shocking Exposé of Black-On-Black Crime with Heather Mac Donald


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Why are more blacks dying than before the Floyd Riots? And why should we be worried about it? We also talk to Florida Rep. Anthony Sabatini about Disney s new anti-choice bill, and why we should be unafraid to say that blacks commit more crimes than whites.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000 We cover why are more blacks dying than before the Floyd riots.
00:00:05.000 And then we also talked to Anthony Sabatini from Florida to talk about Disney. 0.98
00:00:10.000 Heather McDonald talks to us about black on black crime and why we should be unafraid to say the following that blacks commit more crimes than whites. 0.61
00:00:18.000 And if people aren't saying that, why? 0.74
00:00:20.000 It's because we have been programmed to believe that statement is racist when it is factual.
00:00:24.000 In fact, we care so much about black people.
00:00:26.000 We care so much about our fellow countrymen. 0.99
00:00:28.000 We want the truth to get out that it's not white supremacy killing blacks. 1.00
00:00:32.000 It's blacks killing blacks. 1.00
00:00:33.000 And we want black criminals in jail and the beautiful, amazing fellow countrymen, black citizens that live amongst us to live in peace and harmony. 1.00
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00:01:58.000 Florida is becoming this beacon of freedom.
00:02:01.000 They are just putting up win after win after win.
00:02:05.000 And one of the people that has really been leading the charge for this is someone by the name of Anthony Sabatini.
00:02:12.000 He is running for Congress, but he's also in the Florida legislature and does a terrific job.
00:02:19.000 And his website is sabatini for Congress.com.
00:02:25.000 That's sabatini for Congress.com.
00:02:28.000 And he's in the Florida House of Representatives from the 32nd District.
00:02:31.000 And I want to talk to him about Disney.
00:02:33.000 I spent a whole week with him last year in the Claremont Fellowship.
00:02:37.000 Anthony, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:39.000 Hey, it's an honor to be on.
00:02:41.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:02:42.000 So, Anthony, walk us through what's going on with Disney.
00:02:45.000 Where do things stand?
00:02:47.000 How big of a financial hit is this for them?
00:02:51.000 And why is the legislature doing this?
00:02:54.000 Well, I got to tell you, this is really a historic week in Florida.
00:02:57.000 What's been happening is just absolutely crazy and sort of unimaginable for a lot of Floridians and people in the Republican Party and MAGA movement to see what's going on.
00:03:06.000 But, you know, they started a fight that I don't think they really wanted to be engaged in, or maybe they didn't see where it was going to go.
00:03:11.000 But this whole thing started a few weeks ago.
00:03:13.000 Disney decided to declare war on Florida, war on the Republican Party, war on families by opposing a really common sense parental rights bill that says we're not going to allow gender ideology teachings to be in the grades of key through third grade students.
00:03:31.000 Super popular bill.
00:03:32.000 Didn't think anybody had an issue with it.
00:03:34.000 But then the parent company Disney said, you know, we're going to fight them legally and politically on this.
00:03:39.000 So, of course, they think that we are still the old Republican Party.
00:03:42.000 We used to just lie over and say, well, that's a private company.
00:03:45.000 I guess there's nothing we can do.
00:03:47.000 But unfortunately for them, we have Ron DeSantis.
00:03:50.000 So a few of us in the legislature and our grade governor said it's time to fight.
00:03:54.000 So we had decided to end the corporate cronyism here in the state of Florida.
00:03:58.000 Since the 1960s, Disney has had a special tax district that's exempted them from a bunch of taxes, allowed them to have all types of rules of self-government that they really don't deserve.
00:04:10.000 And it's unfair competition to other companies and definitely small business.
00:04:13.000 So we've decided to just repeal it.
00:04:15.000 So we're repealing this law.
00:04:17.000 It actually passed yesterday.
00:04:18.000 I was very proud to vote for it.
00:04:20.000 And it's on the governor's desk.
00:04:22.000 We're expecting a signature either tomorrow or earlier next week.
00:04:25.000 And as you can imagine, the left, the Democrats, and Disney are having a complete and total mental breakdown and just are not handling it very well.
00:04:34.000 It just, it's incredible.
00:04:36.000 I mean, when you think Florida can't do anymore, not to mention, you know, Florida has this tenure thing that just came out the other day that DeSantis has just announced.
00:04:46.000 And DeSantis gets a lot of the credit and he deserves a lot of the credit.
00:04:50.000 But you've been terrific, Anthony, in the legislature putting these bills on his desk.
00:04:56.000 And so, Anthony, walk us through kind of how is Florida all of a sudden now becoming one of the most conservative states in the country?
00:05:06.000 What has really triggered that?
00:05:08.000 Because Florida is by structurally not actually one of the most conservative states, but you have Wyoming, you have, you know, these other states that aren't doing anything close to as exciting what you guys are doing in Florida.
00:05:20.000 Why is that?
00:05:21.000 Well, I got to tell you, it really just does come back to our governor.
00:05:24.000 You know, Republican leaders for too long have sort of ignored what the people wanted.
00:05:29.000 Donald Trump really changed that, hired people's sites, met expectations of the actual Republican voters.
00:05:36.000 And a lot of people in these really red states, a lot of the elected officials in these super red states, were sort of complacent and just kind of ignore the voters, just thought, you know, if we had enough money to spend, we'll win the election, then we don't have to actually give them anything that they want or demand.
00:05:51.000 DeSantis has really changed that.
00:05:53.000 He is somebody who listens.
00:05:55.000 I think his single best quality, aside from his courage, is he listens.
00:05:59.000 And when people want something, he's willing to listen to them and give them what they want.
00:06:04.000 And the people in this case are so tired of these woe companies getting everything they want.
00:06:09.000 They trash us.
00:06:11.000 And then we look around and we see that they're benefiting from tax loopholes, special treatment, special laws, getting carved out of special laws.
00:06:20.000 Disney was carved out of the social media censorship bill years ago.
00:06:24.000 And so Republican leaders like DeSantis are changing the tune.
00:06:28.000 I will tell you, the legislature of Florida is very similar to Congress.
00:06:31.000 It's divided.
00:06:32.000 You have your sort of hard conservatives.
00:06:34.000 You have a couple rhinos.
00:06:36.000 You have people who kind of are in the middle and just don't really want to take a side.
00:06:40.000 But when you have a governor that's powerful and popular, he leads them in the right direction.
00:06:44.000 So the legislature is following his lead and getting the right things done.
00:06:49.000 Yeah, I mean, it went from a perennial swing state to a conservative bastion in less than a decade.
00:06:55.000 And for other people that, I mean, I live in Arizona, which actually, according to voter registration, is more conservative than Florida.
00:07:03.000 And yet we don't do any of this stuff in Arizona.
00:07:07.000 I mean, in Arizona, we'd be lucky to maybe get like a bill here or a bill there.
00:07:12.000 And I think you're right.
00:07:13.000 It does come down to leadership.
00:07:14.000 Texas is not been terrible, but it's nowhere near Florida.
00:07:18.000 I mean, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Kentucky, I can't think of one meaningful thing they did, you know, as far as courageous acts like Florida.
00:07:26.000 And I track this stuff pretty closely.
00:07:28.000 Governor Stitten, Oklahoma has been good.
00:07:29.000 Gianforte in Montana has been great.
00:07:32.000 But it's been, DeSantis has just been phenomenal and above the rest.
00:07:36.000 And so how big of a financial hit is this to Disney?
00:07:40.000 And then what do you say to the critics?
00:07:41.000 Because we're getting a couple emails here, you know, every so often.
00:07:45.000 We're getting some emails of people saying that it's been, it's like fascism, that you guys are penalizing a company you don't like.
00:07:53.000 What do you have to say to that?
00:07:55.000 Well, the first thing I laugh at is the example a lot of the old guard Republican Party is where they say, well, if you do this, they're going to do it back at us, folks.
00:08:04.000 They've been doing it against us for years.
00:08:07.000 I saw somebody tweet, what if Gavin Newsom did this to Chick-fil-A or something like that?
00:08:11.000 And then somebody retweeted it and showed how local governments in California were trying to shut down Chick-fil-As based on the political speech of the corporations.
00:08:22.000 So this has been going on for years.
00:08:23.000 It's time for us to fight back and actually win and play by the rules that they're playing by.
00:08:29.000 Back to the financial part.
00:08:31.000 So a lot of people are saying, well, all you're doing is offsetting this tax.
00:08:34.000 Other people are going to pay it.
00:08:36.000 The reason they're saying that and that media narrative was created is because, well, first, I don't have an argument against the bill because it's such a sort of corrupt tax loophole that they have.
00:08:45.000 But second of all, I will tell you, this is just the first phase.
00:08:49.000 This is sort of a multi-step process where, yeah, first right now, we're getting rid of their little self-governing, self-enclosed, tax-free universe where they get to just run their own world and not pay taxes to the state in many ways.
00:09:02.000 But I think next, what you're going to see DeSantis do and legislators do, hopefully I'm in Congress by the time this happens, but they're going to start closing what they call the combined tax loophole to make Disney pay other taxes that they've escaped over the years.
00:09:15.000 And the reason this is a good next step is because it allows us to free up and give tax relief to working class people, middle class people, actual Floridians, our people.
00:09:26.000 And this is something we should have done decades ago.
00:09:28.000 It just took a courageous leader to do it.
00:09:29.000 But to sort of sum that up, they're going to be paying a lot more taxes on the front end, just upwards $200 million, just by not having the refrigerator.
00:09:41.000 Correct.
00:09:42.000 And then if we close the combined tax loophole like Texas did a few years ago, another $600 million piled on top of that, which once again, I'm not trying to grow government, grow revenue and more regulation, but Disney's the last company in the world that should be escaping that tax.
00:10:00.000 We should be awarding tax relief to actual voters and people who support us.
00:10:06.000 I mean, I totally agree.
00:10:07.000 And, you know, people say that, you know, the National Review, which is a joke, they come out and they say, you know, it's not right to strip people of their privilege.
00:10:18.000 I'm like, hold on, I thought you guys were all the anti-crony capitalism types.
00:10:21.000 And you know what?
00:10:22.000 It is time to strip big companies that are misaligned with American values of special privileges.
00:10:28.000 Why should Florida taxpayers have special carve-outs for companies that are okay with five-year-olds being taught about gender transition, not just okay with it, but like militantly hostile to the lawmakers and the governor and the voters that support it?
00:10:46.000 There must be a cost to the radicalism of corporate America.
00:10:51.000 And the cost is just, you're now on neutral footing.
00:10:54.000 It's not like they're raising taxes of Florida.
00:10:56.000 They're simply removing the favoritism that previously existed.
00:10:59.000 And that's a $200 million cost.
00:11:02.000 And let that be known for every woke company out there.
00:11:06.000 $200 million tax increase a year.
00:11:08.000 That's $2 billion over the next decade.
00:11:11.000 And Florida, Florida knows they're not leaving anytime soon.
00:11:14.000 So it's the ultimate, it's the ultimate.
00:11:16.000 What are you going to do?
00:11:17.000 Go to Denver?
00:11:18.000 Yeah, good luck going to Disney World when it's negative 36 degrees.
00:11:22.000 Anthony, tell us why you're running for Congress and tell us about your race.
00:11:27.000 I'm running for Congress to save the country.
00:11:29.000 Everything this country is based on, the foundation of our nation, which is God, family, freedom, the rule of law.
00:11:38.000 It's all under the gun right now.
00:11:39.000 And if we don't choose the strongest conservative fighters we can in these Republican primaries, we're going to lose the country.
00:11:46.000 So we need people with real courage and proven records.
00:11:49.000 I've been really proud of the work I've done with Governor DeSantis over the last four years.
00:11:54.000 And I think it's the kind of record we need in Congress.
00:11:56.000 We need stronger leaders in Congress who are going to mimic some of the things we've done here.
00:12:00.000 So that's why I'm running.
00:12:02.000 Tell us about your race.
00:12:03.000 Who are you running against?
00:12:04.000 What's the district like?
00:12:05.000 Because the new maps are drawn.
00:12:07.000 So I'm actually just personally very curious.
00:12:10.000 I don't know.
00:12:10.000 So tell us about it.
00:12:12.000 It's been very interesting.
00:12:13.000 So I initially started in a swing seat, but thanks to Ron DeSantis, Florida ended up producing some of the best congressional maps in the country.
00:12:24.000 So now this seat is sort of, I would call it a safe red seat, especially this year with the wave we're going to have.
00:12:29.000 So it really just comes down to the primary.
00:12:31.000 And there's always nice people that get in the primary, but few with this kind of proven record.
00:12:36.000 The district is the sort of northern suburbs of Orlando.
00:12:39.000 It's Seminole County, Volusha County, the area between Daytona Beach, the beaches, and North Orlando and UCF.
00:12:47.000 So it's a good suburban district, pretty solid red, and just a lot of good patriots in here.
00:12:54.000 So the primary is very important then in your race, is what you're saying.
00:12:58.000 The primary will matter a lot.
00:13:00.000 What tilt is it?
00:13:01.000 R plus three, four, five, six.
00:13:04.000 This year it's a plus six, but well, I'm sorry, the PBI based on 2020 is a six, but it's supposed to perform as a plus 12 based on just the way things are going with polls and turnout and predictions.
00:13:16.000 Nate Silver calls it a plus 12.
00:13:18.000 Wow.
00:13:20.000 That's incredible.
00:13:21.000 So in closing here, Anthony, just what will make what will you do in Congress that just won't be the same sort of thing?
00:13:27.000 People are so tired of just hearing about people running for office.
00:13:30.000 You know, what will be your mandate?
00:13:32.000 You get to Congress.
00:13:34.000 What's going to change?
00:13:35.000 What are you going to try to get done?
00:13:37.000 Well, the top two most immediate things, one of them is going to be the investigation of Dr. Fauci.
00:13:42.000 I think he's already committed perjury and should be prosecuted for that.
00:13:46.000 I've talked to Rand Paul, who's endorsed me, my race, many hours about this subject.
00:13:51.000 And I think that's going to be something that we need to take action on immediately.
00:13:55.000 We can't let these bureaucrats go unaccountable. 0.96
00:13:58.000 You know, no accountability.
00:14:00.000 They lie.
00:14:02.000 They do whatever they want and then they get away every time.
00:14:04.000 We need to change that.
00:14:05.000 That's big for me.
00:14:06.000 Another one is immigration.
00:14:07.000 We've always talked about being tough on immigration.
00:14:10.000 Obviously, I'm somebody that wants to build a wall and do real deportations and crack down on illegal immigration, but I go a little further than that.
00:14:17.000 I think that our legal immigration system right now isn't working for America's best interests and for the middle class and working class.
00:14:24.000 So I believe in an immigration moratorium. 1.00
00:14:26.000 I'll co-sponsor Paul Gosar's bill out of Arizona to create an immigration moratorium in the United States. 1.00
00:14:33.000 And that's one of the many things I think sets me apart from the sort of generic Republicans who won't talk about those types of issues.
00:14:41.000 Yeah, I'm laughing.
00:14:42.000 I was like, that will definitely set you apart.
00:14:44.000 And I agree, by the way, it's time for us to digest the meal of metaphorically of the millions and millions of people that have come into our country last couple of years, kind of get to a place of equilibrium.
00:14:56.000 Legal immigration can and should be a positive for a nation.
00:15:00.000 However, what happens when it isn't?
00:15:02.000 And that's where we are right now, especially with the mass influx of chain migration, anchor babies, and all those different sorts of trends.
00:15:10.000 Again, the website, if you guys want to support Anthony, because he's from Florida and he's doing a great job, we need people that are going to fight.
00:15:15.000 SabatiniForCongress.com.
00:15:18.000 And we're behind you, Anthony.
00:15:20.000 Thank you so much for joining us today.
00:15:21.000 Thank you.
00:15:22.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:15:23.000 Appreciate it.
00:15:27.000 This should not be news, everybody.
00:15:29.000 It's not news, but it's only news if you don't listen to the great Heather McDonald. 0.95
00:15:34.000 We had Heather McDonald on in the midst of Floyd Palooza, and she was right about everything.
00:15:40.000 And she coined the term the Ferguson effect, where she accurately predicted that because of BLM's insistence that police are the enemy, that more black people are going to die. 0.64
00:15:53.000 And with us right now is the great Heather McDonald.
00:15:56.000 Heather, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:15:58.000 It's so great to be with you, Charlie.
00:16:00.000 Thanks for having me on.
00:16:02.000 So it's not news for you.
00:16:03.000 It's not news for me.
00:16:04.000 But what are we to make of this news, this story, I should say, that 2,500 more Black people were killed since the BLM defund the police movement.
00:16:16.000 Your thoughts?
00:16:17.000 What we make of it is that the Black Lives Matter movement is an utter fraud. 1.00
00:16:22.000 They have been perpetrating the most unbelievable scam on the American public for the last six years, six or seven years.
00:16:31.000 It began with the lies about the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri in August 2014, the hands up, don't shoot myth that led to riots and led to the first iteration of what I've called the Ferguson effect,
00:16:47.000 which is the combined phenomenon of officers backing off of lawful constitutional policing under the phony charge that they're racist to try to save lives in minority communities and the resulting emboldening of criminals.
00:17:03.000 2015, 2016 saw another 2,000 blacks killed compared to 2014.
00:17:09.000 And then we had the George Floyd race riots, which were even more violent.
00:17:13.000 You had an even more insistent chorus from corporate America, from universities, from the media, that the criminal justice system was racist.
00:17:23.000 You had our Democratic presidential candidate using every opportunity to say that the criminal justice system is racist, that Black parents are right to fear that their children will be killed by a cop whenever they go outside, to say that America is endemically racist.
00:17:42.000 This is a racial sin that we've made no progress in fixing in 400 years. 0.99
00:17:47.000 And so what did we see in 2020?
00:17:50.000 We saw the largest one-year increase in homicide in this nation's history, nearly 30%.
00:17:57.000 That is a statistical change in any field.
00:18:00.000 A one-year change of anything, 30%, whether it's producing widgets or inflation, is unheard of.
00:18:09.000 And we lost another 2,000 Black lives.
00:18:11.000 And we lost over 50 Black children gunned down in their backyards, in their front porches, in their parents' cars at birthday parties, jumping on trampolines, ordering pizza.
00:18:24.000 Not a single one of those Black children were protested by Black Lives Matter activists.
00:18:31.000 All of this was predictable.
00:18:33.000 When you demonize the cops, they are rightly, understandably going to back off on policing.
00:18:38.000 And what's happened since the George Floyd race riots is we have unleashed anarchy upon American society. 0.51
00:18:47.000 You're totally right. 0.96
00:18:49.000 So, Heather, I just got to ask the simple and obvious question that no one wants to talk about, and you will go right into this, which is who is killing these black people? 0.98
00:18:58.000 Because there was one commentator that says, oh, increase in black deaths. 0.98
00:19:01.000 White supremacy is to blame. 0.96
00:19:03.000 Let's get down to the numbers. 0.99
00:19:05.000 Who are actually killing blacks? 0.99
00:19:06.000 Is it white people? 0.99
00:19:08.000 What's going on here?
00:19:09.000 And that comment was not made ironically.
00:19:12.000 It is absolutely preposterous.
00:19:15.000 The bodies don't lie. 0.99
00:19:17.000 Blacks die of homicide at 13 times the rate between the ages of 10 and 34 compared to white individuals between the ages of 10 and 34. 0.88
00:19:28.000 They are not being killed by the cops. 0.99
00:19:30.000 They are not being killed by whites. 0.99
00:19:33.000 Well over 90, 95% of all black victims are killed by other blacks. 0.99
00:19:39.000 We are not allowed to talk about black on black crime. 0.95
00:19:42.000 This is somehow portrayed as some kind of fiction and taboo.
00:19:48.000 Here's who's doing interracial violence, Charlie. 1.00
00:19:51.000 Blacks commit 88% of all interracial violence between blacks and whites and whites on blacks. 0.98
00:19:58.000 We've seen the videos. 1.00
00:20:00.000 You've seen the videos of elderly Asians, elderly whites being beat up, being pummeled, being stomped on. 0.97
00:20:07.000 That is the reality. 0.98
00:20:08.000 If there were whites doing the same thing to blacks, we would be hearing about it round the clock. 0.87
00:20:16.000 CNN would be in a constant hysteria, riot, encouragement mode.
00:20:22.000 The Justice Department would be letting out a great huzzah of gratitude that finally its myth about white supremacy being the largest threat of violence in this country would have some shred of credibility as it is now.
00:20:38.000 It is a complete deception. 0.95
00:20:40.000 But the fact of the matter is, is that the vast bulk of interracial crime and of hate crimes is black on white. 0.59
00:20:48.000 And, you know, if you want to save black lives, what you've got to do, police are the second best solution. 1.00
00:20:56.000 When the police back off, anarchy is unloosed.
00:21:00.000 But the best solution is to talk about this dysfunctional inner city culture.
00:21:05.000 The breakdown of the family is a big part of that that leads to the failure to socialize young black males.
00:21:13.000 I mean, think of it, Charlie. 0.57
00:21:15.000 What sort of failure does it take to create dozens and dozens, hundreds, thousands of people, young people who are going out and spraying bullets across sidewalks, into stores, into shopping malls without any concern for the fact that they are going to kill elderly, they're going to kill children. 0.71
00:21:38.000 Over Easter weekend, we saw three mass shootings, two in South Carolina, one in Pittsburgh, black on black, swept under the rug because nobody, the elites are terrified to look head on at the black inner city cultural dysfunction. 0.99
00:21:57.000 And few people are willing to even say what you just said out loud. 0.96
00:22:00.000 And it shouldn't have to be an act of courage just to say the truth and to say that who is actually participating in these crimes, which is overwhelming, as you say, 90 to 95% a black on black problem. 0.99
00:22:14.000 But Heather, I think we would both agree, though, that this movement was not actually led by the Black community in general.
00:22:21.000 There might have been Black elites that were pushing this. 0.84
00:22:23.000 But the great tragedy of now the 30% increase in Black deaths is that this was largely financed, supported, and led by white liberals, that this is a white liberal Upper East Side, Malibu, Manhattan, feel-good virtue signal, I'm a good person movement.
00:22:42.000 What's your thoughts on this?
00:22:44.000 Help us unpack that.
00:22:45.000 Well, that's absolutely true.
00:22:47.000 White elites are desperate to assume racial virtue to themselves.
00:22:54.000 And there's no question that the further away you are from crime, the more you believe it's a fiction.
00:23:01.000 This has been, you know, an implicit message from the Democratic Party and from Jen Saki, you know, laughing sarcastically at the idea that Fox was actually covering the black carnage in the streets, as if somehow they worked up some kind of elaborate fiction about this and we shouldn't be concerned about it.
00:23:24.000 So that is absolutely true.
00:23:26.000 That having been said, though, Charlie, and I'll say what's also true, I've spent a lot of time at police community meetings in high crime areas, whether it's the South Bronx or central Harlem or south side of Los Angeles, Chicago.
00:23:42.000 And the good law-abiding people who show up to those meetings are desperate for more police protection.
00:23:49.000 I have never once in over decades of attending these meetings, heard someone complain about police brutality.
00:23:58.000 I mean, that's going to strike left-wing viewers as absurd, but I can tell you it is absolutely the case.
00:24:04.000 What I've heard instead is these good, hardworking people say, why aren't you arresting the kids who are hanging out on the corners fighting?
00:24:12.000 Whatever happened to loitering and truancy laws.
00:24:15.000 I've got, I smell pot in my apartment hallway.
00:24:19.000 Why can't you do something about it?
00:24:20.000 You arrest the drug dealers.
00:24:22.000 They're back on the corner the next day.
00:24:24.000 These are the voices that the police should respond to.
00:24:29.000 But here's the rub for the police today, Charlie.
00:24:33.000 If they respond to the heartfelt cries and pleas from the law-abiding members of the inner city community to enforce the law in a colorblind fashion, they will inevitably generate disparate impact.
00:24:49.000 And if you want to understand what's happening in our criminal justice system today, why you have prosecutors like Alvin Bragg in Manhattan or George Gascon in Los Angeles or Chesa Boudin in San Francisco or Larry Krasner in Philadelphia refusing to prosecute crimes like turnstile jumping or graffiti or theft, looting, litter, drug use, low-level drug sales.
00:25:18.000 The reason that they're not doing that is if they do so, they will have a disparate impact on blacks.
00:25:25.000 And so we've decided that we would rather not police, we would rather not prosecute, we would rather not incarcerate in order to avoid having a disparate impact on black criminals.
00:25:38.000 We are only affecting black criminals by this, but we've decided to drop the entire project.
00:25:46.000 And unless we can get over that taboo against generating disparate impact and be willing to defend behavioral standards that work to protect black lives, we are not going to be able to pull back from the precipice of anarchy that is now spreading from the inner city into suburbs. 0.69
00:26:12.000 People see it.
00:26:13.000 They know about the carjackings.
00:26:15.000 They know about the looting, the mass looting of stores, of jewelry stores, people breaking in all the time.
00:26:23.000 This crime is spreading.
00:26:25.000 We're going to see massive white flight. 0.98
00:26:27.000 And we have to get over the idea that generating disparate impact, if you're doing so through neutral standards, is somehow racist.
00:26:36.000 And a lot of this stems from your amazing book, The Diversity Delusion, the obsession with race politics and affirmative action policies to upper middle class whites who feel an unnecessary guilt towards these topics plays into this.
00:26:55.000 It does.
00:26:55.000 And it is not driven from the grassroots of the Black community.
00:26:59.000 It is not.
00:26:59.000 It is driven by our universities, by our thought and opinion shaping institutions.
00:27:05.000 And I just want to plug your book again, Heather.
00:27:07.000 It's just phenomenal diversity delusion. 0.67
00:27:09.000 Heather, how do you see this playing out?
00:27:11.000 I'm going to ask you to predict again.
00:27:12.000 You predicted two years ago, is there going to be a retreat from the Ferguson effect?
00:27:16.000 Will there be a movement to try to get police back on the streets?
00:27:21.000 Or do you think we are now in this moment because of the woke ideology being so pervasive and so strong in our country that we're just going to kind of now live in this chapter of permanent street anarchy?
00:27:34.000 Well, I think you've very accurately described in your second option what is going to happen.
00:27:40.000 I'm a pessimist by nature, so you have to take that into account.
00:27:44.000 If I were an optimist by nature, I would see plenty of grounds for to be optimist.
00:27:48.000 Obviously, the Democrats are furiously trying to backpedal from any association with the D-Fund movement.
00:27:55.000 Now, I would say that conservatives are wrong to seize on the D-fund idea in particular to try and bash them with it because many, like Biden, has not, he's right, he did not explicitly call for defunding the police.
00:28:09.000 What he did do was defame the police, and that is much more important.
00:28:15.000 Nevertheless, many Democrats are now saying, oh, we need more funding for the police.
00:28:20.000 That's a good sign.
00:28:22.000 One could say it's a good sign that New York City elected Eric Adams for mayor, who did run on an anti-crime platform.
00:28:30.000 But it's the problem here, Charlie, again, is that if we go back to enforcing the law, and we know how to bring crime under control, New York City did it in the early 1990s under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.
00:28:44.000 We had homicides in 1990, 2,245 a year.
00:28:50.000 We brought them down at their lowest peak to under 300.
00:28:54.000 That's another just incredible statistical change.
00:29:00.000 And we did that through lawful, colorblind, constitutional policing, and above all, enforcing lower-level public order offenses.
00:29:08.000 That's what the community wants.
00:29:10.000 And it also helps to stop higher-level crimes.
00:29:15.000 But if we go back to enforcing the law today, to putting repeat offenders and violent criminals in prison, we will have a disparate impact.
00:29:26.000 I'm sorry, that's the facts.
00:29:28.000 And that's not going to be avoidable unless we can reknit the social fabric of the Black community. 0.71
00:29:35.000 But as long as we're terrified of any behavioral or indeed meritocratic standard that has a disparate impact on Blacks, we're not going to be able to bring crime back under control. 0.82
00:29:46.000 And you can see in New York City already, you know, Adams has said he's going to go back to using an anti-gun unit, and the voices are already very loud that that will result in more black and Hispanic arrests.
00:30:01.000 Yes, it will.
00:30:02.000 You know why? 0.99
00:30:03.000 Because Blacks and Hispanics put together commit virtually 100% of all drive-by shootings in New York. 1.00
00:30:10.000 So if you're going to go after the people committing the drive-by shootings, you will inevitably be arresting Blacks and Hispanics. 1.00
00:30:18.000 Whites are not committing drive-by shootings in New York or any place. 0.98
00:30:23.000 I'm sorry, that is just a fact.
00:30:24.000 Why do we know that?
00:30:26.000 How do we know that?
00:30:27.000 Not the allegedly racist cops.
00:30:30.000 We know who's doing the shootings in New York because that's the descriptions given by victims of and witnesses to those shootings who are themselves overwhelmingly minority.
00:30:41.000 And they tell us that though Blacks are 23% of the population, they make up anywhere between 70 and 75% of all people committing drive-by shootings each year.
00:30:52.000 The police don't wish that reality. 0.66
00:30:55.000 They don't create that reality, but we are blaming the messenger who's responding to that reality in order not to look at the very uncomfortable problem of very high rates of black crime. 1.00
00:31:10.000 You're exactly right. 0.98
00:31:11.000 Blacks commit more crimes, and we should be unafraid to say that out loud. 1.00
00:31:15.000 And people get really nervous when you say it. 0.99
00:31:17.000 It's a fact.
00:31:18.000 There's reasons for that.
00:31:20.000 Culture being one of them, lack of family structure being another.
00:31:24.000 But unfortunately, the very same woke ideology that you write about in your book, and you were kind of ahead of the curve, Heather, in writing the diversity delusion, is going to prevent New York City or Los Angeles or Chicago from actually doing anything meaningful to solve black-on-black crime. 0.70
00:31:42.000 Heather, thank you so much for joining us.
00:31:45.000 Deeply appreciate it.
00:31:46.000 And we'll have you on again soon.
00:31:48.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:31:48.000 I appreciate it.
00:31:52.000 Thank you so much for listening.
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