00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000We cover why are more blacks dying than before the Floyd riots.
00:00:05.000And then we also talked to Anthony Sabatini from Florida to talk about Disney.
00:00:10.000Heather McDonald talks to us about black on black crime and why we should be unafraid to say the following that blacks commit more crimes than whites.
00:00:18.000And if people aren't saying that, why?
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00:02:47.000How big of a financial hit is this for them?
00:02:51.000And why is the legislature doing this?
00:02:54.000Well, I got to tell you, this is really a historic week in Florida.
00:02:57.000What's been happening is just absolutely crazy and sort of unimaginable for a lot of Floridians and people in the Republican Party and MAGA movement to see what's going on.
00:03:06.000But, you know, they started a fight that I don't think they really wanted to be engaged in, or maybe they didn't see where it was going to go.
00:03:11.000But this whole thing started a few weeks ago.
00:03:13.000Disney decided to declare war on Florida, war on the Republican Party, war on families by opposing a really common sense parental rights bill that says we're not going to allow gender ideology teachings to be in the grades of key through third grade students.
00:03:47.000But unfortunately for them, we have Ron DeSantis.
00:03:50.000So a few of us in the legislature and our grade governor said it's time to fight.
00:03:54.000So we had decided to end the corporate cronyism here in the state of Florida.
00:03:58.000Since the 1960s, Disney has had a special tax district that's exempted them from a bunch of taxes, allowed them to have all types of rules of self-government that they really don't deserve.
00:04:10.000And it's unfair competition to other companies and definitely small business.
00:04:22.000We're expecting a signature either tomorrow or earlier next week.
00:04:25.000And as you can imagine, the left, the Democrats, and Disney are having a complete and total mental breakdown and just are not handling it very well.
00:04:36.000I mean, when you think Florida can't do anymore, not to mention, you know, Florida has this tenure thing that just came out the other day that DeSantis has just announced.
00:04:46.000And DeSantis gets a lot of the credit and he deserves a lot of the credit.
00:04:50.000But you've been terrific, Anthony, in the legislature putting these bills on his desk.
00:04:56.000And so, Anthony, walk us through kind of how is Florida all of a sudden now becoming one of the most conservative states in the country?
00:05:08.000Because Florida is by structurally not actually one of the most conservative states, but you have Wyoming, you have, you know, these other states that aren't doing anything close to as exciting what you guys are doing in Florida.
00:05:21.000Well, I got to tell you, it really just does come back to our governor.
00:05:24.000You know, Republican leaders for too long have sort of ignored what the people wanted.
00:05:29.000Donald Trump really changed that, hired people's sites, met expectations of the actual Republican voters.
00:05:36.000And a lot of people in these really red states, a lot of the elected officials in these super red states, were sort of complacent and just kind of ignore the voters, just thought, you know, if we had enough money to spend, we'll win the election, then we don't have to actually give them anything that they want or demand.
00:06:11.000And then we look around and we see that they're benefiting from tax loopholes, special treatment, special laws, getting carved out of special laws.
00:06:20.000Disney was carved out of the social media censorship bill years ago.
00:06:24.000And so Republican leaders like DeSantis are changing the tune.
00:06:28.000I will tell you, the legislature of Florida is very similar to Congress.
00:07:14.000Texas is not been terrible, but it's nowhere near Florida.
00:07:18.000I mean, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Kentucky, I can't think of one meaningful thing they did, you know, as far as courageous acts like Florida.
00:07:26.000And I track this stuff pretty closely.
00:07:28.000Governor Stitten, Oklahoma has been good.
00:07:55.000Well, the first thing I laugh at is the example a lot of the old guard Republican Party is where they say, well, if you do this, they're going to do it back at us, folks.
00:08:04.000They've been doing it against us for years.
00:08:07.000I saw somebody tweet, what if Gavin Newsom did this to Chick-fil-A or something like that?
00:08:11.000And then somebody retweeted it and showed how local governments in California were trying to shut down Chick-fil-As based on the political speech of the corporations.
00:08:36.000The reason they're saying that and that media narrative was created is because, well, first, I don't have an argument against the bill because it's such a sort of corrupt tax loophole that they have.
00:08:45.000But second of all, I will tell you, this is just the first phase.
00:08:49.000This is sort of a multi-step process where, yeah, first right now, we're getting rid of their little self-governing, self-enclosed, tax-free universe where they get to just run their own world and not pay taxes to the state in many ways.
00:09:02.000But I think next, what you're going to see DeSantis do and legislators do, hopefully I'm in Congress by the time this happens, but they're going to start closing what they call the combined tax loophole to make Disney pay other taxes that they've escaped over the years.
00:09:15.000And the reason this is a good next step is because it allows us to free up and give tax relief to working class people, middle class people, actual Floridians, our people.
00:09:26.000And this is something we should have done decades ago.
00:09:28.000It just took a courageous leader to do it.
00:09:29.000But to sort of sum that up, they're going to be paying a lot more taxes on the front end, just upwards $200 million, just by not having the refrigerator.
00:09:42.000And then if we close the combined tax loophole like Texas did a few years ago, another $600 million piled on top of that, which once again, I'm not trying to grow government, grow revenue and more regulation, but Disney's the last company in the world that should be escaping that tax.
00:10:00.000We should be awarding tax relief to actual voters and people who support us.
00:10:07.000And, you know, people say that, you know, the National Review, which is a joke, they come out and they say, you know, it's not right to strip people of their privilege.
00:10:18.000I'm like, hold on, I thought you guys were all the anti-crony capitalism types.
00:10:22.000It is time to strip big companies that are misaligned with American values of special privileges.
00:10:28.000Why should Florida taxpayers have special carve-outs for companies that are okay with five-year-olds being taught about gender transition, not just okay with it, but like militantly hostile to the lawmakers and the governor and the voters that support it?
00:10:46.000There must be a cost to the radicalism of corporate America.
00:10:51.000And the cost is just, you're now on neutral footing.
00:10:54.000It's not like they're raising taxes of Florida.
00:10:56.000They're simply removing the favoritism that previously existed.
00:12:13.000So I initially started in a swing seat, but thanks to Ron DeSantis, Florida ended up producing some of the best congressional maps in the country.
00:12:24.000So now this seat is sort of, I would call it a safe red seat, especially this year with the wave we're going to have.
00:12:29.000So it really just comes down to the primary.
00:12:31.000And there's always nice people that get in the primary, but few with this kind of proven record.
00:12:36.000The district is the sort of northern suburbs of Orlando.
00:12:39.000It's Seminole County, Volusha County, the area between Daytona Beach, the beaches, and North Orlando and UCF.
00:12:47.000So it's a good suburban district, pretty solid red, and just a lot of good patriots in here.
00:12:54.000So the primary is very important then in your race, is what you're saying.
00:13:04.000This year it's a plus six, but well, I'm sorry, the PBI based on 2020 is a six, but it's supposed to perform as a plus 12 based on just the way things are going with polls and turnout and predictions.
00:14:07.000We've always talked about being tough on immigration.
00:14:10.000Obviously, I'm somebody that wants to build a wall and do real deportations and crack down on illegal immigration, but I go a little further than that.
00:14:17.000I think that our legal immigration system right now isn't working for America's best interests and for the middle class and working class.
00:14:24.000So I believe in an immigration moratorium.
00:14:26.000I'll co-sponsor Paul Gosar's bill out of Arizona to create an immigration moratorium in the United States.
00:14:33.000And that's one of the many things I think sets me apart from the sort of generic Republicans who won't talk about those types of issues.
00:14:42.000I was like, that will definitely set you apart.
00:14:44.000And I agree, by the way, it's time for us to digest the meal of metaphorically of the millions and millions of people that have come into our country last couple of years, kind of get to a place of equilibrium.
00:14:56.000Legal immigration can and should be a positive for a nation.
00:15:02.000And that's where we are right now, especially with the mass influx of chain migration, anchor babies, and all those different sorts of trends.
00:15:10.000Again, the website, if you guys want to support Anthony, because he's from Florida and he's doing a great job, we need people that are going to fight.
00:15:29.000It's not news, but it's only news if you don't listen to the great Heather McDonald.
00:15:34.000We had Heather McDonald on in the midst of Floyd Palooza, and she was right about everything.
00:15:40.000And she coined the term the Ferguson effect, where she accurately predicted that because of BLM's insistence that police are the enemy, that more black people are going to die.
00:15:53.000And with us right now is the great Heather McDonald.
00:15:56.000Heather, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:15:58.000It's so great to be with you, Charlie.
00:16:04.000But what are we to make of this news, this story, I should say, that 2,500 more Black people were killed since the BLM defund the police movement.
00:16:17.000What we make of it is that the Black Lives Matter movement is an utter fraud.
00:16:22.000They have been perpetrating the most unbelievable scam on the American public for the last six years, six or seven years.
00:16:31.000It began with the lies about the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri in August 2014, the hands up, don't shoot myth that led to riots and led to the first iteration of what I've called the Ferguson effect,
00:16:47.000which is the combined phenomenon of officers backing off of lawful constitutional policing under the phony charge that they're racist to try to save lives in minority communities and the resulting emboldening of criminals.
00:17:03.0002015, 2016 saw another 2,000 blacks killed compared to 2014.
00:17:09.000And then we had the George Floyd race riots, which were even more violent.
00:17:13.000You had an even more insistent chorus from corporate America, from universities, from the media, that the criminal justice system was racist.
00:17:23.000You had our Democratic presidential candidate using every opportunity to say that the criminal justice system is racist, that Black parents are right to fear that their children will be killed by a cop whenever they go outside, to say that America is endemically racist.
00:17:42.000This is a racial sin that we've made no progress in fixing in 400 years.
00:17:50.000We saw the largest one-year increase in homicide in this nation's history, nearly 30%.
00:17:57.000That is a statistical change in any field.
00:18:00.000A one-year change of anything, 30%, whether it's producing widgets or inflation, is unheard of.
00:18:09.000And we lost another 2,000 Black lives.
00:18:11.000And we lost over 50 Black children gunned down in their backyards, in their front porches, in their parents' cars at birthday parties, jumping on trampolines, ordering pizza.
00:18:24.000Not a single one of those Black children were protested by Black Lives Matter activists.
00:18:49.000So, Heather, I just got to ask the simple and obvious question that no one wants to talk about, and you will go right into this, which is who is killing these black people?
00:18:58.000Because there was one commentator that says, oh, increase in black deaths.
00:20:08.000If there were whites doing the same thing to blacks, we would be hearing about it round the clock.
00:20:16.000CNN would be in a constant hysteria, riot, encouragement mode.
00:20:22.000The Justice Department would be letting out a great huzzah of gratitude that finally its myth about white supremacy being the largest threat of violence in this country would have some shred of credibility as it is now.
00:21:15.000What sort of failure does it take to create dozens and dozens, hundreds, thousands of people, young people who are going out and spraying bullets across sidewalks, into stores, into shopping malls without any concern for the fact that they are going to kill elderly, they're going to kill children.
00:21:38.000Over Easter weekend, we saw three mass shootings, two in South Carolina, one in Pittsburgh, black on black, swept under the rug because nobody, the elites are terrified to look head on at the black inner city cultural dysfunction.
00:21:57.000And few people are willing to even say what you just said out loud.
00:22:00.000And it shouldn't have to be an act of courage just to say the truth and to say that who is actually participating in these crimes, which is overwhelming, as you say, 90 to 95% a black on black problem.
00:22:14.000But Heather, I think we would both agree, though, that this movement was not actually led by the Black community in general.
00:22:21.000There might have been Black elites that were pushing this.
00:22:23.000But the great tragedy of now the 30% increase in Black deaths is that this was largely financed, supported, and led by white liberals, that this is a white liberal Upper East Side, Malibu, Manhattan, feel-good virtue signal, I'm a good person movement.
00:22:47.000White elites are desperate to assume racial virtue to themselves.
00:22:54.000And there's no question that the further away you are from crime, the more you believe it's a fiction.
00:23:01.000This has been, you know, an implicit message from the Democratic Party and from Jen Saki, you know, laughing sarcastically at the idea that Fox was actually covering the black carnage in the streets, as if somehow they worked up some kind of elaborate fiction about this and we shouldn't be concerned about it.
00:23:26.000That having been said, though, Charlie, and I'll say what's also true, I've spent a lot of time at police community meetings in high crime areas, whether it's the South Bronx or central Harlem or south side of Los Angeles, Chicago.
00:23:42.000And the good law-abiding people who show up to those meetings are desperate for more police protection.
00:23:49.000I have never once in over decades of attending these meetings, heard someone complain about police brutality.
00:23:58.000I mean, that's going to strike left-wing viewers as absurd, but I can tell you it is absolutely the case.
00:24:04.000What I've heard instead is these good, hardworking people say, why aren't you arresting the kids who are hanging out on the corners fighting?
00:24:12.000Whatever happened to loitering and truancy laws.
00:24:15.000I've got, I smell pot in my apartment hallway.
00:24:22.000They're back on the corner the next day.
00:24:24.000These are the voices that the police should respond to.
00:24:29.000But here's the rub for the police today, Charlie.
00:24:33.000If they respond to the heartfelt cries and pleas from the law-abiding members of the inner city community to enforce the law in a colorblind fashion, they will inevitably generate disparate impact.
00:24:49.000And if you want to understand what's happening in our criminal justice system today, why you have prosecutors like Alvin Bragg in Manhattan or George Gascon in Los Angeles or Chesa Boudin in San Francisco or Larry Krasner in Philadelphia refusing to prosecute crimes like turnstile jumping or graffiti or theft, looting, litter, drug use, low-level drug sales.
00:25:18.000The reason that they're not doing that is if they do so, they will have a disparate impact on blacks.
00:25:25.000And so we've decided that we would rather not police, we would rather not prosecute, we would rather not incarcerate in order to avoid having a disparate impact on black criminals.
00:25:38.000We are only affecting black criminals by this, but we've decided to drop the entire project.
00:25:46.000And unless we can get over that taboo against generating disparate impact and be willing to defend behavioral standards that work to protect black lives, we are not going to be able to pull back from the precipice of anarchy that is now spreading from the inner city into suburbs.
00:26:25.000We're going to see massive white flight.
00:26:27.000And we have to get over the idea that generating disparate impact, if you're doing so through neutral standards, is somehow racist.
00:26:36.000And a lot of this stems from your amazing book, The Diversity Delusion, the obsession with race politics and affirmative action policies to upper middle class whites who feel an unnecessary guilt towards these topics plays into this.
00:26:59.000It is driven by our universities, by our thought and opinion shaping institutions.
00:27:05.000And I just want to plug your book again, Heather.
00:27:07.000It's just phenomenal diversity delusion.
00:27:09.000Heather, how do you see this playing out?
00:27:11.000I'm going to ask you to predict again.
00:27:12.000You predicted two years ago, is there going to be a retreat from the Ferguson effect?
00:27:16.000Will there be a movement to try to get police back on the streets?
00:27:21.000Or do you think we are now in this moment because of the woke ideology being so pervasive and so strong in our country that we're just going to kind of now live in this chapter of permanent street anarchy?
00:27:34.000Well, I think you've very accurately described in your second option what is going to happen.
00:27:40.000I'm a pessimist by nature, so you have to take that into account.
00:27:44.000If I were an optimist by nature, I would see plenty of grounds for to be optimist.
00:27:48.000Obviously, the Democrats are furiously trying to backpedal from any association with the D-Fund movement.
00:27:55.000Now, I would say that conservatives are wrong to seize on the D-fund idea in particular to try and bash them with it because many, like Biden, has not, he's right, he did not explicitly call for defunding the police.
00:28:09.000What he did do was defame the police, and that is much more important.
00:28:15.000Nevertheless, many Democrats are now saying, oh, we need more funding for the police.
00:28:22.000One could say it's a good sign that New York City elected Eric Adams for mayor, who did run on an anti-crime platform.
00:28:30.000But it's the problem here, Charlie, again, is that if we go back to enforcing the law, and we know how to bring crime under control, New York City did it in the early 1990s under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.
00:28:44.000We had homicides in 1990, 2,245 a year.
00:28:50.000We brought them down at their lowest peak to under 300.
00:28:54.000That's another just incredible statistical change.
00:29:00.000And we did that through lawful, colorblind, constitutional policing, and above all, enforcing lower-level public order offenses.
00:29:10.000And it also helps to stop higher-level crimes.
00:29:15.000But if we go back to enforcing the law today, to putting repeat offenders and violent criminals in prison, we will have a disparate impact.
00:29:28.000And that's not going to be avoidable unless we can reknit the social fabric of the Black community.
00:29:35.000But as long as we're terrified of any behavioral or indeed meritocratic standard that has a disparate impact on Blacks, we're not going to be able to bring crime back under control.
00:29:46.000And you can see in New York City already, you know, Adams has said he's going to go back to using an anti-gun unit, and the voices are already very loud that that will result in more black and Hispanic arrests.
00:30:30.000We know who's doing the shootings in New York because that's the descriptions given by victims of and witnesses to those shootings who are themselves overwhelmingly minority.
00:30:41.000And they tell us that though Blacks are 23% of the population, they make up anywhere between 70 and 75% of all people committing drive-by shootings each year.
00:30:55.000They don't create that reality, but we are blaming the messenger who's responding to that reality in order not to look at the very uncomfortable problem of very high rates of black crime.
00:31:20.000Culture being one of them, lack of family structure being another.
00:31:24.000But unfortunately, the very same woke ideology that you write about in your book, and you were kind of ahead of the curve, Heather, in writing the diversity delusion, is going to prevent New York City or Los Angeles or Chicago from actually doing anything meaningful to solve black-on-black crime.
00:31:42.000Heather, thank you so much for joining us.