Jack Posobiec joins us live from the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, Wisconsin to talk about the lack of protection for President Trump during a visit to a pro-Trump event in Butler, PA on Saturday night. Jack is a former Marine Corps intelligence officer and author and served as the Director of Operations for the Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organization (JIEDO), a joint task force tasked with bringing a direct line of fire from a direct assault weapon to a presidential podium. He is also the author of the new book, Secret Service: Inside the Secret Service and is a regular contributor to the New York Times, CNN, CBS, NBC, and other media outlets. Charlie and Jack discuss the latest in the Trump administration's failure to protect our President from a sniper attack on a presidential campaign stop in Pennsylvania on Saturday, and why this should be seen as a slap in the face to the highest levels of our nation's most elite law enforcement agencies. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments, a company that specializes in gold and physical delivery of precious metals. Go to noblegold.investments.co/thecharliekirk to get a 20% discount when you buy all of your gold today! to get 20% off your first month with discount code: CHILLYKILLER at Noble Gold Investing. at 1-888-CHALLENGE. to receive 20% OFF YOUR FIRST MONTH of your purchase! CHILLERICYKIRK and we'll be giving you a FREE stock like Apple, Ford, Bespionage, insurance, and more! to help you protect your gold and precious metals in the future! If you like what you're buying, you'll get 10% off the entire month of your account! and a FREE 7-day VIP membership when you become a Member of the show! Subscribe to The Charlie Kirk Show! Learn more about your ad-free version of The Charlie Kirker Show. - click here to get 15% off for the show, and get 5% off of the entire show, plus FREE shipping throughout the rest of the service, plus an additional 3 months, plus a FREE 3-day shipping offer when you shop discount, shipping starts starting at $99/month, you get a maximum of $150,000 gets you an ad-only offer of $50,000, plus 3 months get 3 months of VIP access to the show?
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00:01:33.000You have significant military experience.
00:01:36.000What is your reaction to the failure to protect our president?
00:01:40.000This last weekend in Butler, Pennsylvania.
00:01:43.000Jack, just so our audience understands, you see that wide shot?
00:01:45.000From here to about that red entry is approximately about 100 yards.
00:01:51.000Yeah, Charlie, so that shot that you're talking about right there, 100 yards, 140 yards, that's the type of shot that you would make in boot camp.
00:01:59.000That is a basic, simple, short-range kind of shot.
00:02:06.000So any basically trained soldier Basically trained trooper for any of the branches would be able to make that shot and not with scopes by the way or eotech or anything fancy That's a basic iron rails type of shot.
00:02:18.000And so those are the sorts of things that basic security 101 not just for a presidential level visit, but any detail II any security official whether it when I was in the military if I had a commanding officer Those are the very basic things you're supposed to be looking out for.
00:02:36.000And in fact, the counter-sniper teams, Charlie, they're not even supposed to be looking for stuff that close, because stuff that close is supposed to be secured.
00:02:44.000So any facility, any rooftop, any ladder well, any seam between buildings, that's all supposed to be secured on the ground.
00:02:51.000Those counter-sniper teams, those are set up for 500 yards, 1,000 yards, 1,500 yards.
00:02:57.000So help me understand, Jack, and I don't want to get into speculation of motives.
00:03:01.000Yeah, we'll do that as the investigation proceeds, okay?
00:03:04.000But help me understand that if, for example, there's an elevated roof right here, if somebody saw, God forbid, somebody with a threat and said, hey, police, hey, police, why did nobody do anything for nearly three minutes?
00:03:16.000And that's not just one hearsay report.
00:03:18.000That is multiple reports and video footage that corroborate law enforcement and Secret Service did nothing.
00:03:24.000Why was there, at the very least, why was there not a, hey, pull President Trump off stage?
00:03:31.000Look, Charlie, there's going to have to be a serious investigation to the highest levels of the Secret Service for this.
00:03:37.000And I can see them already playing the blame game, saying, oh, that was supposed to be local police.
00:03:55.000The idea that lines of, direct lines of fire from a direct building immediately adjacent to where a presidential nominee, and let's not play this game of that he's not officially the nominee yet because we've been hearing as well that they were saying... He's a former president.
00:04:09.000Former president is getting Secret Service protection for the rest of their life.
00:04:13.000I've been told in some of my reporting, we've been doing it at Human Events, we'll be breaking more today when we get on, that one of the reasons that he was not given a full presidential detail is that he is not yet the official nominee.
00:04:25.000So there is some truth to that in a sense, and by the way, it's ridiculous, where when we were in Detroit, we hosted him in Phoenix in Detroit, and we were talking a little bit about, you know, Secret Service issues, They said, well, we're not the nominee yet, so we are at the, quote, behest of the Biden Secret Service.
00:05:03.000I think it's important for people to remember that world wars have started because of failed executive protection.
00:05:09.000Think of the Francis Ferdinand killed at the beginning and started World War I. Imagine what America would be if the assassin was successful on Saturday.
00:05:26.000That anyone with any brain, with any training at all, would go to that site and say, that's the spot that's called the Sniper's Hotel.
00:05:34.000It's the logical place where a sniper is going to set up and hang out from.
00:05:39.000That much, the elevated position, overlooking the spot, with dead space, able to sneak in and get himself positioned.
00:05:48.000That it wasn't covered is beyond grotesque incompetence.
00:05:52.000And if people are not fired from this, then we know that they're actually trying to be this bad.
00:05:57.000Well, we can get into the consequences, but I don't think anyone will be fired.
00:06:01.000There might be some resignations where they keep their pension and all that.
00:06:04.000But no one was fired after Afghanistan.
00:06:06.000No one was fired after the Hunter Biden laptop.
00:06:08.000No one was fired after our handling of COVID.
00:06:10.000So why should we believe all of a sudden that mass firings are going to occur here?
00:06:14.000Eric, have we seen in the recent era, let me ask you this way, since Ronald Reagan was shot in the 1980s, has there even been a firearm discharge at a president, former or current, let alone one being actively shot?
00:06:45.000But that was... And you witnessed how quickly that team got him off the X. It was the 6th round fired of a 6th round revolver by Hinckley that ricocheted off that hit Reagan in the lungs.
00:07:04.000Maximum sympathy to the family that lost their loved one, and totally unnecessary.
00:07:10.000It's worth also asking, do they have a do not shoot rule?
00:07:13.000Don't shoot first rule, because there is lots of evidence that they saw something they were looking at, they're not comfortable with, but no one engaged the shooter.
00:07:22.000So I am the furthest thing an expert can be from this world is me, but I have Common sense and logic and reason, and I live in this world a lot.
00:07:31.000Why was there not an immediate get Trump off stage order given when there was even chatter, commotion?
00:08:22.000So secondly, according to reports, regular civilians were pointing out the shooter in real time and police officers, law enforcement and Secret Service didn't act.
00:09:51.000Did you see the high level of expertise or professionalism from those people that you would say that's the type of people I would use to protect a president or former?
00:10:01.000No, because some of them obviously were trying to execute a plan, and a lot of ours were standing around not knowing what to do.
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00:11:44.000So Eric, let me ask this more crisply.
00:11:48.000One of the agents couldn't holster her weapon.
00:11:51.000Is that something that is a typical response?
00:11:55.000That's not an ideal response and that's something that you you want to get through those nerves and that adrenaline rush while you're in training so that it is autonomic when you know you have to reholster your weapon you know exactly where that is and how that feels every time and that is just an evidence of the wrong people in the wrong circumstance and they're overwhelmed.
00:12:22.000Let's say that they let's say that they Didn't respond to the threat and Donald Trump's ear gets clipped.
00:12:28.000From that point forward, what should that have looked like?
00:12:31.000They should have had him off that stage in less than five seconds.
00:12:36.000They should have created a protective barrier around him and then immediately moved him, whether he wanted to or not, off that X into a hard car and get him to a position of defense.
00:12:47.000Here's where I'm going to ask something that I think is important.
00:12:50.000Some of those agents were not strong enough to be able to hold Donald Trump back.
00:13:00.000You know, he's very broad-shouldered and he was emphatically, there should be no circumstance where the president- And I applaud him for his Teddy Roosevelt-like response.
00:13:08.000I want to get into that because I think it was awesome.
00:13:10.000It was one of the greatest moments in American history of Donald Trump saying, fight, fight, fight after being shot.
00:13:15.000I think he was saying another F word too, but we're not going to say that on air.
00:13:18.000By the way, CNN attacked him for saying he's got to tone down the rhetoric after he gets shot.
00:13:24.000But, Eric, there should be no circumstance ever where a protectee is able to overwhelm the agents.
00:14:54.000You know, if X, then Y, to move them off the X.
00:14:59.000When you founded Blackwater, I imagine you had some former Secret Service that you employed and you worked with, and you know a lot of these guys.
00:15:04.000The ones I talked to, they are so speechless over this.
00:15:07.000It's a humiliation for their entire...
00:15:50.000We shot around 1.2 million rounds a month.
00:15:53.000We trained hundreds of thousands of military, hundreds of thousands of law enforcement from protective details from some of the most dangerous countries in the world.
00:16:04.000And we employed some very capable people.
00:16:07.000And we did 100,000 protective missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, protecting ambassadors, diplomats, visiting presidents, all without anyone being injured under our care.
00:16:19.000In all the protection that you've done, have you ever had a protectee be shot?
00:16:43.000About where the A of the Trade Hotel is.
00:16:45.000Okay, that's about what my estimate was.
00:16:47.000So if we had not secured that, and we were going to have a public air event with our guy standing here, and we didn't know what the hell was in that building?
00:16:53.000We're like a former Prime Minister or President.
00:17:51.000He, the speech, the bullet went through his, went through his, uh, through his chest and he sat there bleeding, but he gave his speech for the next hour and a half.
00:17:58.000And he said, it takes more than a bullet to stop a bull moose.
00:18:01.000And, uh, God bless Donald Trump for having the same level of spirit resolve.
00:18:20.000And there's, and yes, and there's a lot of complexities that go with that because, you know, the left and big government hates competitors and they hate to be shown up.
00:18:31.000In the ideal, could you guys do a better job?
00:18:34.000There's a lot of very talented people that could protect Donald Trump or could supplement Secret Service to make sure that those gaps are filled and that the questions are being asked and to call nonsense when they miss the blatantly obvious place where the sniper's gonna hang out.
00:18:49.000Um, so for example, President Trump could have five or six guys like you that five hours before he arrives, they double check the work at the Secret Service.
00:19:02.000Look, most of the, the, the best part of, uh, the, the most important part of executive protection is the advanced work so that you have a proper plan and you remove the, the, the, um, the gaps.
00:19:14.000The problem with law enforcement doing that is there tend to look backwards.
00:19:20.000You want to hire the most lethal predators to protect you because they're going to find, they're going to look at it from the outside in to say, how am I going to get that guy?
00:19:28.000And they figure out how to close those doors.
00:19:29.000People that are a little paranoid too.
00:19:31.000I mean, every possible threat imaginable.
00:19:33.000It's just people that think offensively.
00:19:35.000Also the part of this situation that I'm sure we'll soon learn, he somehow got to the roof.
00:19:41.000A officer encountered him and then went back down because the rifle was- And I saw reports that the officer backed away when the gun was pointed at him.
00:19:58.000And there he had very clear direction to protect the flock.
00:20:01.000Not just the president, but the entire crowd.
00:20:04.000And if that guy really backed away in cowardice, he should lose his badge and his pension and all the rest.
00:20:09.000I think it's time to bring back public shaming for people that completely screw up and fail to do their jobs.
00:20:14.000And Eric, this is one of the reasons why they hate you, is because you talk about better and more efficient ways of doing this.
00:20:20.000Let me ask this in a politically correct way, which is not my reputation.
00:20:27.000Has DEI infused into personal protection and the military potentially put President Trump's life at risk?
00:20:34.000As I said in a Twitter post that has certainly gotten some attention, anything that detracts away from merit and mission execution is an unnecessary distraction.
00:20:45.000Clearly, the Secret Service is not the level they should be performing right now.
00:20:49.000That was blindingly obvious on Saturday.
00:20:53.000Let's fix these issues before it becomes blindingly obvious and people die unnecessarily again.
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00:23:06.000walk us through what happened with your nephew, is that correct? Yeah. This
00:23:09.000last weekend. Yeah, so you know, they went to the rally and I got them tickets to
00:23:13.000family to get tickets and they were in the friends and family section and
00:23:16.000they were enjoying the rally just like everybody else and they heard the shots.
00:23:19.000At first, they didn't realize that they were shots and then they realized, you know, what's going on.
00:23:23.000Everybody kind of hit the deck and took cover.
00:23:26.000And as they were getting up, one of the gentlemen in the row behind him saw that he had blood on his neck.
00:23:32.000And he was like, oh my gosh, it looks like you got hit with a bullet or a frag or something.
00:23:36.000So he just had a superficial wound on his neck.
00:23:38.000They took him to the medical clinic, the medical tent that was there, the triage tent they had set up.
00:23:46.000I think the more traumatic thing was that he ended up in the tent, unfortunately, with the gentleman who ended up passing away, and I think that was probably more of a trauma than anything.
00:23:54.000But a bad day for a lot of folks, and a lot of folks saw some stuff that was pretty horrific, and, you know, hopefully they're going to be okay.
00:24:02.000So, Doctor, you've dealt, I'm sure, with a lot of people that have experienced either being shot at or in those circumstances.
00:24:11.000What is your reaction to President Trump defiantly In that split-second moment?
00:24:15.000Well, I tell you, Charlie, I told everybody this right off the bat.
00:24:18.000I have never, ever been prouder of my president than that day.
00:24:22.000When he went down and he stood up with blood all over his face, and he instinctively raised his fist in defiance and yelled, fight, that is the warrior spirit spontaneously coming out.
00:24:33.000You don't practice that, and that's not at all staged.
00:24:36.000That just is who he is, and I think that It's incredible.
00:24:39.000It's really, really unfortunate that that happened and certainly unfortunate that someone died in the process and people were critically injured.
00:24:46.000But I think that his response and the leadership he showed in light of that horrible situation has sent an overwhelming message to all of America that this man is a leader, this man is a warrior, and this is who we need to be, our 47th president.
00:25:01.000So doctor, there have been a fair amount of chatter up until Donald Trump got shot about the mental condition of Joe Biden.
00:25:11.000As a physician, how should we think about this?
00:25:14.000Well, you know, we still can't, we can't lose sight of that.
00:25:16.000I mean, I think there's this push right now to become a little bit more civil in, in, in what we're saying, you know, in, on the campaign trail, but it doesn't negate the fact that we have a commander in chief that's cognitively impaired, right?
00:25:28.000And that's something that, regardless of what the other circumstances in this country are right now, that's something that has to be taken very seriously.
00:26:25.000Yeah, it's something I've avoided, like assigning a diagnosis to him, you know, because, you know, I am a physician and we try not to do that.
00:26:31.000But, you know, you don't need to be a doctor, Charlie.
00:26:34.000You certainly don't need to be a physician to the president.
00:26:36.000You know, I was a physician for three presidents, so I know exactly what it takes mentally and physically to do that job.
00:26:42.000Everyone's had a family member, whether it's an uncle or an aunt or a parent, That's gone through the same things that Joe Biden is going through.
00:26:48.000I don't know what it is, if it's Parkinson's or if it's Alzheimer's or.
00:26:51.000multi-infarct or vascular dementia of some sort, but he's got something going on that has a huge cognitive component.
00:26:57.000He's cognitively in deep decline and he's got all the physical signs that go along with things like Parkinson's as well.
00:27:03.000So whatever it is, the one thing that all of those illnesses have in common, they all get worse with time.
00:27:09.000None of them get better and at some point you can't do anything to even slow them down or cover them up and so that's where we're at right now.
00:27:15.000So help me understand, you said something interesting, what the job requires.
00:27:34.000You have to be able to work 14, 16, 18-hour days.
00:27:37.000You have to be able to get on a plane and leave D.C.
00:27:40.000at 9 o'clock in the morning and fly 16 hours across countless time zones, land, and it's 9 o'clock in the morning where you landed and you have a 14-hour day ahead of you.
00:28:26.000So I want to ask you from a congressional oversight standpoint, the Secret Service, Speaker Johnson has announced that the head of the Secret Service will come and there will be hearings.
00:28:37.000What will your role be and what do you anticipate?
00:28:42.000We're in the same situation with the Secret Service that we were with the FBI, and it's basically the leadership issue.
00:28:50.000The Biden-appointed leadership is our problem right now, okay?
00:28:54.000And just like I've said about the FBI, I'll say about the Secret Service, and I know the Secret Service better than most because I spent 14 years in the White House working side-by-side with them every day.
00:29:04.000Some of the hardest working, best professionals I've ever been around in my entire life.
00:29:08.000So the people, the bread and butter folks that are doing the work, they are just incredible law enforcement people with unbelievable capabilities, including the President's current detail.
00:29:17.000I know them well, and they are very, very competent, very good detail.
00:29:21.000The problem, Charlie, is they haven't been resourced properly.
00:29:23.000I talked to folks in his detail eight months or more ago and I asked them how things were going and they told me at that time, this is long before the assassination attempt, that the biggest problem they had right now is they were under-resourced and they couldn't get the bodies and the resources they need to do their job.
00:29:38.000They pointed out to me that they were the smallest of the former details.
00:29:41.000So Bush and Obama had bigger details, better resource details than President Trump.
00:29:48.000The size of your details should be based on the threat.
00:29:50.000He travels, does way more events than the other formers do, and the threats against him are astronomically higher than they are against the other formers.
00:29:58.000For that reason and that reason alone, he should have a huge detail that's close to the detail of the same size as the sitting president.
00:30:16.000The risk for Donald Trump is higher than anybody on the planet right now as far as assassination.
00:30:22.000We've seen it just recently, unfortunately.
00:30:24.000So House Republicans are going to be tasked with overseeing this?
00:30:28.000Do you think there might be a rare moment of bipartisanship where even Democrats are saying we need to have firings and a real, almost a Warren Commission report?
00:30:38.000We were two inches minimum away from having JFK.
00:31:31.000You know, there's all this talk about, you know, getting together a bipartisan commission and doing something about fixing this problem right now.
00:31:37.000But I don't think that'll last long from the Dems.
00:31:39.000I think they'll go back to their partisan ways.
00:31:41.000You see how they've defended Mayorkas?
00:31:42.000I mean, good Lord, if they're not going to back down from Mayorkas, they're not going to back down from this.
00:31:48.000I mean, it's just, I think you're right.
00:31:50.000No one got fired from the Afghanistan withdrawal.
00:31:53.000No one got fired from the Hunter Biden laptop.
00:31:55.000No one got fired from the handling of COVID.
00:31:57.000I don't think there will be massive firings from this at all.
00:32:00.000But if there is a time for House Republicans to put up a fight, It would be now. And the reality is we have to because it's
00:32:06.000not just here, it's happening all over the place, including in our military. But the reason
00:32:10.000this is an issue is because the Secret Service Director was appointed, she was put in that job for
00:32:15.000diversity purposes. She was a diversity hire. Her experience was protecting Pepsi cans and potato
00:32:21.000chips. Right. And she was put in that position for diversity reasons. And since she's got there,
00:32:27.000it's been nothing but woke DEI garbage, including if you talk to the Secret Service agents, they
00:32:33.000say if they ask for resources, they need she's more concerned about the color of the tie
00:32:37.000that they wear, not wanting them to wear red ties. Yeah, I can attest to
00:32:41.000this. So we hosted President Trump at two events in the month of June, one in Phoenix, one in
00:33:13.000They couldn't care less about the American people.
00:33:15.000I don't even think they care about the protectees.
00:33:17.000I would tell you that the actual Secret Service agents and uniformed division folks do care, but the leadership didn't care, Mayorkas didn't care, and the Biden administration didn't care.
00:33:26.000I mean, honestly, until this happened, every time they referred to somebody who went to a Trump rally, they referred to him as an extremist or domestic terrorist, right?
00:34:02.000They wouldn't, and they've done this across the board, not just with the, you know, with the inability to physically protect him, but with the lawfare stuff.
00:34:08.000We've got people everywhere, prosecutors, and they're breaking the law, but they're doing it because they think it's justified for the bigger cause of getting rid of Donald Trump.
00:34:16.000Doctor, in closing, my strong encouragement to you Is to keep pushing because there's more and more peripheral evidence, we don't know if it will get to the essence, that there might have been stand down orders, that there might have been not just incompetence, but gross negligence and turning a blind eye saying, if something happens, he's a Nazi.
00:35:41.000Where were you on Saturday when you first heard the news?
00:35:48.000I had just come off the campaign trail.
00:35:50.000We're on a bus tour and I was talking to Arizonans, just drove up, you know, started to pack for coming to this event and a friend of mine called and said the president's been shot.
00:36:01.000And I was on Twitter, I was just working around the house getting ready to come here, and I was just absolutely scared to death.
00:36:09.000I didn't know anything about it other than the president had been shot.
00:36:12.000I got online immediately trying to look for information, and at the time, you know, I didn't know for about, you know, two or three minutes, I didn't know if he was alive or what had happened.
00:36:30.000It was, according to Dr. Ronny Jackson, who says about three-fourths of an inch that otherwise would have killed President Trump.
00:36:39.000And I think we all, all of us, breathed a sigh of relief and then went, okay, he's okay.
00:36:46.000But the next morning, I don't know about you.
00:36:49.000That story, what happened, I sat with that and I went, we almost lost President Trump yesterday.
00:36:56.000If not for the hand of God being on his shoulder, if not for him turning his head, if not for a whole bunch of things that are just too miraculous, we would have lost him.
00:37:07.000And this is what is just so sickening, that there's so much hate out there in this world, that somebody was willing to try to kill him in front of all those people.
00:37:16.000I can't believe that kind of evil exists, Charlie.
00:37:19.000And our movement is stronger than ever, despite this.
00:37:21.000And he is alive and well, I can tell you.
00:37:23.000He was up late last night, meeting with friends, meeting with donors.
00:37:27.000You know, he's got his vice presidential selection today.
00:39:05.000The people are, you know, I want to say one thing, and you always give everybody the truth, but the fake news media, they only are able to stay in business if they tell us we're divided and we hate each other.
00:39:44.000I think you're going to see our solutions for the problems laid out so the American people can say, wow, we're suffering right now and they have a plan to get us out of this trouble.
00:39:55.000They have a plan to make our streets safer.
00:39:58.000The Republicans have a plan to make our kids' education better.
00:40:01.000The Republicans have a plan to make sure our border is secure.
00:40:05.000Living in peaceful times, not starting wars, and the American people are going to have a really great choice.
00:40:11.000Do we want to continue down this track where we're off the tracks, frankly?
00:40:15.000We're going over the cliff, our economy's a wreck, our kids don't have a bright future, or do we want the solutions to all those problems and a bright future?