00:00:46.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:48.000I flew the Harrier jet, had a great time, an amazing experience, got to fly over Iraq, got to land on aircraft carriers.
00:02:55.000But I always knew that I would do that for a time and then do something else.
00:03:01.000And actually, I thought about doing journalism when I was in college briefly.
00:03:06.000And for me, I had a kind of a problem with the idea that at 21 or 22, right out of school, I would be asking public officials questions and holding them accountable.
00:04:43.000I had to make some mistakes, quite frankly, to get to where I am now.
00:04:49.000And I think, like most people, you know, after you finish the journey and the journey isn't over, of course, but I'm glad everything happened the way it did to bring me to this point.
00:05:15.000I mean, I know personally, there are certain topics you are not allowed to challenge, certain orthodoxies.
00:05:21.000Nietzsche used to say that there are certain pieties that you are not allowed to make fun of, right?
00:05:26.000And one off the top of my head that, you know, I stumbled into, I think, last week is the crime of noticing that athletes are dropping suddenly.
00:05:35.000You get into a lot of trouble for doing that.
00:05:37.000How, in your own opinion, being in this work, how has that changed, evolved, or stayed the same over the last couple of years?
00:05:45.000So let me gently, I don't want to say push back, but the idea that media, the idea that journalists can hold powerful people accountable, a lot of journalists go in with that mindset.
00:05:59.000We're going to hold the powerful accountable.
00:06:01.000And in a weird way, it reveals a bias in and of itself.
00:06:06.000That whatever situation I walk into must be wrong.
00:06:33.000If you really want to hold people accountable, I don't think you can through journalism because it's too easy for the powerful to manage journalism.
00:06:44.000They don't need journalists anymore because of social media and so many other ways to get the message out.
00:08:20.000I didn't have time for the other 200 pages.
00:08:23.000Two weeks later, I got to the other 200 pages and I see in there that Elvis Chan, the FBI agent, is friends with Lisa Page and worked with Peter Strzok.
00:08:34.000I felt negligent that I didn't find that out sooner, but nobody knew that.
00:08:40.000Nobody was right there, hiding in plain sight.
00:10:36.000They made such a big deal that Brian Kilmead, Laura Ingram, you know, they called Trump because they were watching the fake news and they saw the freak out.
00:12:41.000Bernie is amazingly articulate and powerful.
00:12:44.000By the way, he actually raises the issue of the potential of real election fraud.
00:12:50.000And just because they did not have smoking gun evidence, that's actually not the bar that's set for an investigation or for a lawsuit to go forward.
00:13:19.000And finally, the guy gets up the gumption.
00:13:21.000I'll just point out that, you know, she was shot as members of Congress were trying to do their jobs and people were screaming, hang Mike Pence.
00:13:31.000Well, that's not justification for shooting an unarmed woman, unarmed anybody.
00:16:22.000This is somebody at war with the truth.
00:16:25.000As far as Ray Epps, look, I think he works with the government.
00:16:30.000I encourage folks to actually check out my Twitter or you can find this online, at Greg Kelly USA, Ray, W-R-A-Y.
00:16:39.000And you may remember the congressman, I can't recall his name for the moment, from Louisiana, a Republican, who asked a point-blank question of Chris Ray, were there FBI agents or FBI informants inside the Capitol before it was penetrated, dressed as Trump supporters, dressed as MAGA.
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00:19:18.000I remember the Father's Day speech in June of 2008.
00:19:21.000And he said rather boldly to a group of black churchgoers that we have a problem in the African-American community, and that's too many fathers are AWOL.
00:20:33.000And he had to emotionalize them, galvanize them to come back to him.
00:20:37.000And that's really how Black Lives Matter started.
00:20:39.000So a big part of this book, quite frankly, is to have a conversation about race that's honest and meaningful and real and helpful.
00:20:52.000Because the conversation about race happening right now is hideously dishonest and damaging.
00:20:58.000Now, often, as a person who's Caucasian, you would say, well, it's not for me to say, or, you know, I need a pat, I have to have somebody black who agrees with me.
00:21:33.000I mean, overnight, law enforcement in America was demonized, canceled.
00:21:39.000And it has made their job so much harder.
00:21:42.000You know, my father, I mentioned the police commissioner of New York City, when he left office after 14 years as commissioner, it's a record, 12 under Bloomberg, two under Dinkins.
00:21:52.000His approval rating was at 75% in New York City, which is half non-white.
00:21:58.000His approval rating with Hispanics and blacks hovered in the high 50s, low 60s.
00:22:04.000What happened was the Democrats came in.
00:22:07.000They pretended that law enforcement was broken.
00:22:09.000Then they pretended to fix what wasn't broken.
00:22:12.000And now they've actually managed to break it.
00:22:15.000And I think that all needed to be addressed and corrected.
00:22:18.000Do you make a distinction in the book between local police and some of the, like you said, the Capitol Hill police that don't really do their job?
00:22:30.000Well, the Capitol Police are definitely an outlier.
00:22:36.000And they've allowed themselves to be politicized.
00:22:39.000So yes, I do make a big distinction between the Capitol Hill cops, people like Harry Dunn, because what's happening right now, this is a dry run for actual fascism.
00:22:51.000For Harry Dunn to be an armed Capitol police officer, still on active duty, he works there berating and lecturing members of Congress and the public.
00:23:02.000He's unelected and he has a weapon and he has a uniform.
00:24:32.000And it seems as if we're losing that kind of citizen-led government.
00:24:37.000And it seems to be the exact opposite.
00:24:40.000And so in the book, you, you know, and I'm, I want you to walk us through it.
00:24:44.000You warn about what will happen if we do defund the police.
00:24:48.000And so to walk us through, I mean, the Capitol Police is an outlier, but the FBI, they don't seem to be much better either.
00:24:53.000The FBI seems to be more of the same, of kind of just politicized.
00:24:58.000Is there a distinction maybe between the boots and the suits potentially between some of the top levels of the FBI?
00:25:04.000I mean, you mentioned Elvis Chan, who has his pronouns in his bio, right?
00:25:10.000And I totally, I love my local police.
00:25:12.000I just was walking through my neighborhood the other day and a local police officer came up to me and I thanked him for all that he's doing.
00:26:07.000We all kind of have some experience with law enforcement on a, on a, not on a daily basis, but so, no, the FBI, by the way, Federal Bureau of Investigation.
00:26:34.000They have canceled themselves and they are not deserving our trust.
00:26:38.000And I'll say this: the rank and file, you know, the knee-jerk thing is to say, well, you know, we have the managers, then we have the rank and file.
00:27:28.000Now, come to learn that uh, our sense is that Chris Christie, who is uh still a favored person in Trump world, interceded and uh got his friend that job.
00:27:42.000But a lot of things would be very different in America right now if uh Ray Kelly had been the FBI director, or if he still were the FBI director.
00:27:52.000It's a tragedy that what's happened to the FBI, because we actually need a functioning, you know, domestic police force that can deal with some of these issues, especially across state lines.
00:28:01.000But it's really too bad what it's become.
00:28:04.000So, Greg, anything else about the book you want our audience to be aware of before we get into some other topics here?
00:28:20.000After corporate America went bananas with Black Lives Matter, I thought that had to be countered because it hasn't been yet.
00:28:30.000This narrative, this fake narrative that America is a fundamentally evil place, is fundamentally racist, is fundamentally committed to the eradication of black people and white supremacy.
00:28:46.000I wanted to organize my thoughts, present them in a methodical way to reveal that this is not true.
00:28:53.000By the way, I debunked the 1619 project, which is not hard to do, and to have people pause, take a step back, and realize just how dangerous this is, what we have done.
00:29:06.000Because police, understandably, it's called the Ferguson effect, and it's real.
00:29:11.000If police officers believe that not only it was already a tough job, they already risked their lives.
00:29:19.000Now they're risking their livelihood, their freedom.
00:29:53.000And there's a roadmap to how we get out.
00:29:55.000Or actually, it's not, quite frankly, it won't get us all the way out.
00:30:00.000But I have some, I think, practical steps that could help.
00:30:03.000Number one, don't be intimidated by uniforms.
00:30:06.000Number two, be comfortable talking about race.
00:30:09.000You know, if you never talk about race and you only let the left dominate that conversation, because they have already created all the rules and they're all the tripwires that they know about, it's so easy to say the wrong thing if you don't talk about race very often.
00:30:24.000We have to be comfortable talking about race.
00:30:26.000And also, this will sound kind of corny and this will sound actually like it's what are you talking about?
00:30:39.000But if you write a letter and you send it to a public official, if you write your congressman and ask to meet with him, there is a damn good chance you're going to be granted that meeting.
00:30:49.000Too many of us are tweeting or sending an email or registering comments that float away.
00:30:55.000But some magic actually starts to happen when you put a pen to paper.
00:31:01.000Greg, you say we should talk about race.
00:31:08.000Well, I think we have to acknowledge, look, the number one driver of crime is, as we talked about for a moment, or the number one indicator that your life will not be as successful as it could be is being born into a one-parent household.
00:31:28.000We're actually supposed to think that the real problems in America were caused by stuff that happened 300 years ago and not enough people of color in TV commercials.
00:31:40.000This is the ludicrous stuff that has dominated our conversation without talking about, well, why are certain groups lagging in school as opposed to other groups?
00:32:35.000There isn't necessarily a right answer.
00:32:37.000And this is a conversation, but I want to have a substantive conversation, not the useless one that has dominated 2020.
00:32:46.000You just alluded to a thought crime that I would love to explore with you, which is: look, the commercial portfolio that currently exists on an average NFL Sunday is it's so nauseatingly clear that they're going out of their way to try to make every single commercial disproportionately represented with black actors, every brand, every commercial.
00:33:15.000And blacks are 14% of the American population.
00:33:29.000But Greg, it's as if you're not even allowed to mention the fact that 80 to 90 percent of all new commercials have black actors in them.
00:33:39.000And I don't have no moral problem with that.
00:33:41.000Obviously, I do have a problem with it being forced in a way as if this is somehow virtuous or somehow we're making progress because we hire a bunch of blacks to tell us to go use indeed.com.
00:34:16.000You know, one of the one of the nicest moments in my career, we beat Fox News on Newsmax and we gathered around, we took a picture, and I knew what was going to happen.