00:00:44.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:53.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:05.000I'm very excited to talk to you about a new book that is coming out this month from my dear friend, a great American, and one of my top mentors, Jim Holden.
00:01:13.000He's a best-selling author, a member of the Turning Point Endowment, and a very clear thinker.
00:01:20.000Selling in an Anxious World is Jim's fifth book on selling strategies and best practices.
00:01:25.000This time, Jim brings together research science and observation to identify the leading cause of declining business-to-business sales, also known as corporate culture.
00:01:35.000I had the great honor of contributing to a chapter of Selling in an Anxious World through my work with Turning Point.
00:01:41.000I'm in a unique position to observe academic culture within our colleges and relate it to the corporate world, particularly its impact on company culture.
00:01:49.000In today's world, good company culture requires vigilant protection, which is why this book is so timely and a must-read for business people, sellers, patriots, and Christians.
00:01:59.000Selling in an Anxious World combines research from extensive deal reviews, examples from Jim's personal life, and Bible references to shine a light on culture, presenting an unconventional guide to solving an unconventional problem.
00:02:12.000You'll get quick access to whatever topics are important to you through chapter summaries and reference guides.
00:02:18.000Jim Holden's book is not like any other business book out there.
00:03:01.000So we were talking off kind of before, off air here and kind of beforehand, the framing of how we want to take this.
00:03:08.000And I want to really explore this idea with both of you, The Tale of Two Americas.
00:03:13.000So I think a lot of what we're experiencing in our country connects back to this thesis of Tale of Two Americas, which is obviously kind of a parallel to the Tale of Two Cities.
00:03:24.000David, you're very familiar with this piece of literature.
00:03:27.000Walk us through when it was written, the significance of it, and also how we can connect it to some of these stories we're talking about.
00:03:32.000Yeah, well, Tale of Two Cities is a Dickens piece written in the 1800s, late 1800s.
00:03:36.000And Dickens was, he was, he loved the French Revolution, and he was fixated by it for a number of reasons as a UK guy, watching the parallel of two revolutions that were happening, the UK Revolution, the French Revolution, and then we were about to have our own revolution.
00:04:57.000They don't have any economic options to move forward.
00:05:00.000And you can feel the tremblings of a potential civil war that's starting to brew.
00:05:05.000And I'm not saying we're here, but I'm saying those support that, by the way, we don't support it in any way.
00:05:12.000We're just looking historically where things are.
00:05:14.000And when that happened with the French, it was brutal and bloody.
00:05:18.000And some of the worst political ideas that were morally unhinged from a standard construct of historic morality came into play and has affected the rest of the world and the history of the world from that revolution.
00:05:32.000The first line of the book is: it was the best of times.
00:05:43.000Lockdown, you can't leave your house, but us, we're going to be having this, you know, French laundry dinner and we're all going to be having $1,000 plates.
00:06:22.000And the crazy thing in that first chapter, it says, and the French nation was pumping fake dollars into the economy to make the people happy.
00:06:32.000And you're like, have we ever heard of a time like that before?
00:06:35.000Perhaps that fake dollars are being pumped into an economy.
00:06:41.000And so part of the tale of two Americas is also how the ruling class and the people in charge have reacted to certain crises that they are really worried about.
00:06:52.000And so, Isabel, we talked a lot about how the market crackdown has happened here on to try to protect the incumbent hedge fund guys.
00:07:01.000And yet we juxtapose that with something that is quite honestly a bigger issue than GameStop stock, which is the future of our children in our schools.
00:07:13.000The reality is there's this crackdown, not just in the markets, but honestly across the board culturally, when you look at everyday Americans versus the elite class culturally and politically, you're seeing crackdowns on free speech and inability for people to voice their opinions and organize online, especially now we're starting to see that in the marketplace to prevent wealth from accumulating outside of that elite cultural and political class.
00:07:35.000You're telling people they're not allowed to go back to school.
00:07:37.000They're not allowed to go back to their jobs.
00:07:39.000We're going to try to dramatically change what the culture looks like, at least for you, maybe not for us, from an elite ruling perspective, so, so significantly in 2021.
00:07:50.000We talked a little bit earlier this week about the World Economic Forum happening in Davos, Switzerland this week.
00:07:55.000And they're literally using the terminology great reset saying there should be no private property.
00:08:01.000You shouldn't be able to have your own autonomous decisions.
00:08:04.000We are going to take care of everything for you.
00:08:06.000And don't you worry, we'll make it sound really great.
00:08:08.000But it's this dystopian reality that squashes the little guy over and over and over again.
00:08:14.000And we're not seeing that overall quite yet in the United States and around the world, but we're starting to see steps in that direction.
00:08:26.000The biggest takeaway is actually the storyline that's weaving throughout it because this is what we all say when we hear about this kind of stuff.
00:08:35.000Well, what am I supposed to do about this situation?
00:08:38.000How am I supposed to respond when there's this estate of people that are being crushed?
00:08:43.000There's an estate that's living large.
00:08:46.000It's actually that I would say the protagonist, there's a lot of many characters, is a lawyer trying to figure out what he's doing because he's living for himself.
00:10:15.000So there's at the end of the first paragraph of the book, and it says, and the authorities of that time spoke only in the highest degree of superlative comparisons.
00:10:54.000And you want to give them power because, and I've heard you say this before: if there is a murderer on the other side, now I'm scared and now I need someone to protect me, which is why crisis always creates an authoritarian regime.
00:11:08.000That's Hayek's Road to Serfdom, one of the great political treatises on the danger of crisis in society and not protecting ourselves against those dangers by saying, no, we need to act calmly and rationally through crisis so we don't give up our rights assistance.
00:11:24.000Especially in a crisis, that's when you need to safeguard freedom and liberty more than ever.
00:11:40.000However, working class people are still being subjected to schools being closed, completely, totally shuttered.
00:11:46.000And there's a massive consequence of this.
00:11:48.000And part of what we have seen in recent days and weeks is the muscular class, the working class in our country, they're growing a little bit uneasy.
00:11:58.000And that will eventually materialize in something I don't think we're prepared to deal with.
00:12:04.000I don't think that our country is all, I don't think we have an experience like this, especially in the digital era, that will be able to handle this in a way to bring us back to a place that does respect private property, entrepreneurship, and the American way.
00:12:22.000With Turning Point USA and the movement that we have started, I've had the honor of traveling and visiting the college campuses and engage in rigorous debate with the next generation.
00:12:32.000When you talk to as many students as I do, you see several familiar themes.
00:12:36.000I see disillusionment with the media, a lack of hope in their job prospects.
00:12:40.000I hear them claim that they're victims and they deserve better.
00:12:43.000Whether college students realize it or not, they're forming ideologies that will affect the way they think and treat others for a lifetime.
00:12:49.000I'd like to recommend a great book to any young person in this time of life.
00:12:52.000It's called Reflections on the Existence of God by best-selling author Richard Simmons III.
00:12:58.000This guy never shies away from the hard questions of life.
00:13:01.000Reflections on the existence of God is a collection of short essays that tackles the biggest question of all: does God exist?
00:13:08.000This book is well researched and easy to read.
00:13:10.000One of the most important things a young person can do is to solidify their worldview.
00:13:14.000Our worldview informs our personal, social, and political lives.
00:14:41.000It's called a short squeeze and it's working and Wall Street is losing its mind and Wall Street now wants to change the rules of the game because a bunch of people with accounts ranging from $500 to $2,500 are taking down the billionaires.
00:15:10.000And there's always unintended consequences from fast legislation because of things like that.
00:15:16.000And ultimately, the market will end up suffering.
00:15:19.000And the people that are experts in this area will end up getting the best tax guys and the best accountants and the best lawyers to figure out how to continue to make cash in this.
00:15:28.000And it will limit the other regular people that have the $500 accounts and have the $1,000 accounts to be able to get in the market in the first place because of a whole host of new regulations.
00:15:38.000And there'll be new fees and there'll be new structures and we'll have new jobs, but they're the kind of jobs that don't add to our GDP.
00:15:46.000They suck away from it like regulators and clients.
00:15:51.000Accountants and tax guys that aren't making a product, they're not making a game at a game store.
00:16:11.000Executing a short is a very sophisticated financial move.
00:16:15.000If you have E-Trade or if you have Schwab's account or if you have any one of these apps, a lot of people don't even know how to do a short.
00:16:22.000I had somebody ask me a couple months ago, Charlie, how do I short something?
00:16:42.000And good companies with good earnings and good leadership and good products and all that.
00:16:46.000However, the outrage that we have seen here and the mobilization of the government to go after this goes to show really where the priorities are.
00:16:55.000And this goes back to one of the key problems that we have in our country, which is how do we finance our elections?
00:17:02.000How do we actually put leaders into office?
00:17:06.000Who actually supported Joe Biden's campaign early and often?
00:17:31.000He went to the people that are already holding these positions in these states that are passing layer upon layer of regulations that are driving people from the states.
00:17:41.000So what happens if you extrapolate that to the guy that then rules the country?
00:17:46.000I mean, just logic, the logical extrapolation is that those kind of layers of rules will happen nationally at the federal level and it will create the same effect that it will want to drive people out.
00:17:56.000But as Americans, we're the last hope.
00:20:06.000You know, it's interesting to buy a million dollars of Tesla stock like you did as soon as a green energy plan gets passed to the House of Representatives.
00:20:54.000The numbers have been back and forth between 150K to 500,000 people have left because of what's happening there.
00:21:02.000But more than that, the reality of crime increased in New York City in part because of the lockdowns and the desire of people to be out and amongst other people and around people.
00:21:16.000And then, you know, the criminal elements are like, I'm going to break laws.
00:21:19.000And there you have this weird kind of symbiotic increase of criminality.
00:21:25.000I mean, I live a block away from Wall Street and a couple of months ago, a Sunday morning, 7 a.m., someone was held up at gunpoint in front of the stock market.
00:21:36.000Like, that doesn't happen in big tourist areas since Giuliani came in and cleaned up the city in like major, you know, midtown Manhattan, downtown Manhattan.
00:22:04.000Last time I went, and the lockdowns, you can't escape the lockdowns if you're a middle-class family in New York.
00:22:11.000If you are one of the hedge fund people, you just get on your helicopter, go to the Hamptons or go to Aspen or go to Martha Vineyard or whatever, right?
00:22:48.000The next America are the people that have to live under the rules and the regulations and the decrees, if I may, from this other group of people.
00:22:59.000And so the question should be, where does this head?
00:23:12.000And the Pareto effect, the Pareto principle, we know how that goes.
00:23:15.000The Matthew principle, some people say that the people that are faithful with resources get resources that then are attracted back to them because they're faithfully using it.
00:23:24.000So they can then continue to use it and grow, et cetera, et cetera.
00:23:28.000But there's two issues: that if the people that are the stewards of that wealth are immoral people, then it damages all of the rest of the people that don't have that kind of concentrated power.
00:23:39.000And that's when French Revolution, Tale of Two Americas, in the French Revolution, you had the third estate, the primary populace that was being dominated by the political power and the religious power.
00:23:53.000And the religious power were just A-O-K-ing, rubber stamping everything the government did and said, it's all okay, it's totally fine.
00:24:00.000Let's talk about, you know, heaven or let's get our eyes off of the here and now.
00:24:06.000And it's frankly echoed in our big churches across the nation.
00:24:12.000Like, if you dare do it, you're a Christian nationalist.
00:24:15.000And they try to want to stamp you in the forehead with a swastika.
00:24:18.000And you're like, no, I'm actually trying to care for my community, for the people that aren't the people in power.
00:24:24.000I'm actually trying to, like Sidney Carton does in the story, lay my life down for the people that are in my neighborhood, that are, you know, in my city.
00:24:33.000And care for the welfare of the nation around you.
00:24:49.000It's really shocking the state of affairs, not just that we're seeing in the United States of America, but around the world when it comes to just this unprecedented mental health crisis for all people.
00:24:59.000It doesn't discriminate based on your gender.
00:25:01.000It doesn't discriminate based on your race, regardless of where you live, what class you are a part of.
00:25:06.000Really, every individual worldwide is experiencing this affront of depression, of anxiety, of hopelessness, and a lack of understanding where to go.
00:25:16.000You brought up Las Vegas, and I'm glad you did, Charlie, because since last March, there's been more than 3,000 alerts sent to district officials regarding mental health episodes for students in K through 12 schools in Las Vegas alone.
00:25:29.000And it took 3,000 alerts, including many successful student suicides, for them to decide to reopen schools.
00:25:36.000We saw youth suicide reach record highs in 2020.
00:25:40.000It was already increasing at a very steady rate between 2007 and 2018 by a rate of 60% for suicide among 10 to 24-year-olds in the United States.
00:25:49.000But last year, we saw the highest number we've ever experienced in the United States.
00:25:53.000And it's not just suicide, by the way.
00:25:55.000It's record levels of depression, of anxiety, of substance abuse, of people just feeling like they have no community.
00:26:01.000They have no sense of connection to the world around them.
00:26:03.000And therefore, there's no other hope for them other than to take their own life.
00:26:07.000And so we have some sound here that I want to play.
00:28:08.000That family there in Illinois, that amazing young man who took his life, they didn't have the money to go on a Gulf stream and go to Aspen and go buy a new home and make sure they got everything sorted out.
00:29:02.000You know, I've talked to so many people that have been like, there's never been a time like this in the history of the United States for my finances, for my family, for my mental health.
00:29:11.000And then again, we have another class where it is, in fact, the best of times for.
00:29:16.000And, you know, we look to history to see patterns of where we're at and how to navigate through those places.
00:29:23.000And if we don't look to history, then we're moving blind through our current set of circumstances.
00:29:29.000And we have to have people that wake up and say, oh, yeah, you know, our country is about freedom.
00:29:33.000That's what we're fundamentally founded on.
00:29:36.000And you cannot have freedom and safety.
00:30:37.000Are you part of the rulers or are you part of the ruled?
00:30:40.000Here's a very interesting, just here's a way just to test it out: are you able to see government policy written and designed to directly benefit you and quickly?
00:30:51.000The answer is no, you're part of the ruled.
00:30:53.000Do you see things on a news channel that reinforce your position of power?
00:30:57.000Now, mind you, a lot of the criticisms that we're now levying might be misinterpreted as a leftist power struggle argument.
00:31:04.000No, what's happening is the further reinforcement of a power incumbency that will destroy first principles and freedom and liberty.
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00:32:41.000Bringing a fire I'm going to want to protect against yourself.
00:32:43.000By the way, wouldn't it be a logical thing to believe that you can arm yourself after there was an insurrection because the security was not satisfactory?
00:32:53.000You would think that that would be a logical way to handle it.
00:32:55.000But this is a common narrative and that is happening between the Democrats in power, AOC and Pelosi, that are continually saying that they do not trust Republicans, not to vote correctly, not to tell the truth, but they're actually dangerous.
00:33:52.000They're intoxicating them with this language and they're whipping them up to do incredibly brutal acts.
00:33:58.000And the proverb says really clearly: wine is a brawler, strong drink, a fighter.
00:34:04.000And it's that idea that this cheap intoxication, that this incredibly intense language, I'm not safe around these people groups, does something to us emotionally because we're made to respond to that kind of intense language.
00:34:19.000And when you use it cheaply for the purpose of political power, you don't understand, especially when you're standing on a pulpit like Pelosi or AOC or these people that regular people look up to as leaders and they say, oh my God, all of the Democrats are going, excuse me, all the Republicans or vice versa are going to kill me.
00:34:49.000And when all of a sudden you go to the highest level of hyperbole every single time, it also cheapens those words in every single fashion imaginable.
00:34:58.000And then you really have no words left to be able to describe the other side if they ever actually go into that form of behavior.
00:35:06.000Let's just break down for a second the words that they're calling conservatives and Republicans domestic terrorists, violent extremists.
00:35:14.000They called President Trump Osama bin Laden-esque, whatever that's supposed to mean.
00:35:19.000They've graduated so significantly from political adversary to you're a deplorable to you're a racist and a white supremacist.
00:35:27.000Now, you inevitably are going to commit some act of violence against me because of how you think politically or how you voted in the last election.
00:35:38.000And the real story that's happening in the country with all of this kind of tied together, which by the way, this entire GameStop AMC BlackBerry thing is exactly the opposite of what the Democrats want to have happen right now.
00:36:07.000They want these hedge funds to be held accountable.
00:36:10.000And now the Democrats who control government are going to come and swoop in and use the power to crush the little guy.
00:36:16.000So the establishment, if you will, and both parties are now going to have to transparently defend a broken institution against the people.
00:36:27.000Democrats don't want to be talking about this.
00:36:29.000They'd rather continue this narrative that there will be a Republican Party is actually the party of an insurrectionist party, all that sort of stuff.
00:36:37.000They want to continue that narrative of the tragic events that happened on January the 6th and misrepresent them intentionally.
00:36:44.000And so this sort of populist moment that's continuing, now it's materializing in markets.
00:37:50.000And so tell us what you're working on.
00:37:53.000So we have church life and rocking and rolling and preaching the gospel and standing for righteousness and our society and talking about actual things that matter, not just your personal finances and how to make your car run smoother, but all of the chaos and try to order our way through this.
00:38:10.000That emblematically is what you need to get through darkness and confusion and not just emotional stuff, but all of the storm that's currently happening.
00:38:22.000And then as you know, Charlie, I have my law practice and representing my business clients on that side and hanging out with Turning Point and Charlie Kirk, which is the exciting part of my life.
00:39:59.000And Jesus didn't say, listen, brother, if you want to follow me, you have to lay down your sword, promise never to do anything mean again, you know, kiss all the babies on the forehead.
00:40:08.000No, in this interaction with the Roman centurion, he said, this guy has more faith than anyone I've ever encountered in my earthly ministry.
00:40:17.000And he didn't tell him to leave the military.
00:40:19.000And we don't understand that as a culture.
00:40:21.000We have this idea that Christians and Christianity is all about kissing babies and, you know, painting lions or whatever the church does these days.
00:40:28.000And it's not about the articulate, peaceful engagement in our culture in things that matter, like taxes, like, you know, law and all of that kind of stuff.
00:40:39.000And I do mean the articulate, peaceful engagement and culture.
00:40:44.000And that's something that we don't understand either because this Christian nationalism phrase is like, if you want to engage in politics, then you take, you know, Trump and you put him on the crucifix, you bow down to him in the morning.
00:40:54.000You're like, what are you talking about?
00:40:57.000We're far more nuanced than that in our belief system.
00:41:00.000We understand that we can stand for a party and a group because they benefit freedom.
00:41:06.000And Christianity needs freedom in order to flourish.
00:41:10.000And what do you think about this idea of the church now becoming a radical social justice exercise?
00:41:17.000Well, and then that's taking the whole other idea that when we stop getting our marching orders from the scripture and we get our marching orders from academia.
00:41:28.000And there's been a push for the last couple of hundred years to have our marching orders come from academia.
00:41:34.000Now, why don't we get our marching orders from academia?
00:41:38.000Because there is a hierarchy of order in the scripture, a thing that, you know, a list of things that are most important and a list of things that are least important.
00:41:47.000And that means, that doesn't mean the things on the bottom are not significant, but it means there are things that we have to deal with first.
00:41:55.000And in Christianity, it's, you know, repentance, reconciliation to the cross, and then turning outward to serve other people.
00:43:09.000Yeah, so Charlie, I don't remember if this was yesterday or the day before that we dove into this, but one of you sent us an email, by the way.
00:43:15.000You can always send us news tips to freedom at charliekirk.com about a really interesting story coming out of Illinois regarding new standards for public education that are going to be legally mandated from the Department of Education and the state legislature.
00:43:28.000This was sent to me by a former teacher of mine.
00:43:47.000So essentially what's happened is the State Board of Education in Illinois has already approved this rule, but now the General Assembly is going to be voting on it on February 16th.
00:43:55.000And it's this new legally mandated rule called the Culturally Responsive Teaching and Learning Standards.
00:44:01.000Sounds really nice, but when you actually break it down, it sounds absolutely terrible.
00:44:05.000So legally speaking, should this pass, all teachers in Illinois public schools must, in their words, embrace and encourage progressive viewpoints and perspectives.
00:44:15.000So I think that's pretty safe to assume leftist ideology and perspectives.
00:44:19.000That's generally what we know progressive pertains to.
00:44:23.000And then beyond that, it's more so than just putting that into the curriculum.
00:44:26.000It's actually implementing things like action civics, defined as taking your students on field trips to protests for gun control or lobbying your state legislature for progressive policies like the Green New Deal.
00:44:38.000And it really goes into detail here about just how insane this policy is.
00:44:42.000Teachers have to acknowledge that there's infinity genders that any student can identify however they want.
00:44:47.000They have to implement critical race theory like the 1619 project from the New York Times into their classroom.
00:44:53.000And this isn't just history classes or cultural relevance classes.
00:44:57.000This is stuff like science and math and everything.
00:45:00.000Homec, yeah, it has to be progressive.
00:45:17.000They don't have an opportunity to provide a neutral perspective in their classroom anymore because if they fail to go on this full-blown train of progressivism, they are immediately disciplined and maybe even will have their teaching licensure revoked from the state of Illinois.
00:45:31.000And so specifically in there, you have to mobilize your students for protests.
00:45:35.000It's called action civics, which sounds so fancy and nice, but it literally means mobilizing your students to go protest and lobby for things.
00:48:02.000Teachers, because they have this ability to strike and shut down all the schools, which is bad for kids, bad for safety, bad for health, bad for communities, bad for families.
00:48:28.000No one wants to wait out the actual strike because all of a sudden you go a week, you go two weeks, you go three weeks without kids in school.
00:48:35.000You start to see things really start to unravel.
00:48:37.000So it was weak Republicans that really contributed to the once great state of Illinois, the downfall of the once great state of Illinois.
00:48:44.000I mean, in New York, we have the rubber rooms that the teachers are so strong that if you're a teacher that's negligent in your classroom, even abusive, I believe, certainly negligent, they will not fire you because it takes, it costs too much money.
00:49:02.000It costs more money to fire you than it does to put you in a room where you sit on your phone and read the news and play Angry Birds and get paid full salary.
00:49:12.000How is that not an incredibly corrupt and broken system?
00:49:14.000And how are we not doing something about it as citizens?
00:49:17.000Like, ah, well, I guess just that's how it goes.
00:49:20.000Unions were really helpful at a time in our nation.
00:49:49.000His analysis of New York City and charter schools and saying they're really the hope for actual students in New York City that are publicly educated.
00:49:58.000Well, and by the way, it's the teachers' unions largely that are contributing to this ongoing shutdown of schools when it comes to COVID-19.
00:50:05.000The science is very, very clear and speaks to the fact that young children in the United States and everywhere else around the world are not really that vulnerable when it comes to COVID-19.
00:50:16.000They might get sick, but statistically, they are very sick for maybe a day if they really get sick at all, and then they're fine.
00:50:22.000They've completely recovered within a few days.
00:50:24.000They're really not at risk to contract the disease whatsoever to begin with.
00:50:28.000If we're really focused on sticking to the science, that's the pathway that we need to be taking.
00:50:32.000But all of a sudden, you see the same tactic like driving up wages that we see from teachers' unions all the time, every 18 months in some places.
00:50:41.000And now it's all about, well, we just don't feel safe unless you pay us a lot more money and then we can reapply.
00:50:46.000And the point in the Tale of Two Cities point, to throw it back to the Tale to Americas.
00:50:49.000Tale to Americas, the solution to the issue was sacrificing your own desire and needs and consumption and safety and pleasure for someone else's safety.
00:51:02.000And Sidney Carton, at the end of the movie, he gives his life over to the life of this other guy.
00:52:04.000And I just basically, I said some, basically, he shouldn't be allowed to perform in churches because of this.
00:52:10.000And so it's trended on Twitter and all this stuff.
00:52:14.000And so here's the statement that I'm writing now for a news publication.
00:52:17.000It says, and I'm just responding to some of the listeners that asked about this.
00:52:22.000It's basically, while I hold no personal animosity towards Lecrae, and we'd be happy to discuss this issue with him privately, the scriptures are incredibly clear that we are fearfully and wonderfully made and that God formed us in our innermost being and knit us together in our mother's womb.
00:52:35.000Senator Warnock calls himself a pro-choice pastor, and that makes him complicit in the genocide of nearly 400,000 black babies that are killed every year in America alone.
00:52:43.000Lecrae nevertheless decided to publicly campaign for this man, and I find that morally incompatible with our Christian faith.
00:52:50.000And so we're getting a lot of questions about that.
00:52:53.000And again, I don't say this in a place of personal animosity towards Lecrae, but if you're going to be an abortion advocate and call yourself a Christian, I got some problems with that.
00:53:01.000Yeah, Ali Bestucki, I think, said something like, I'm a pro-hamburger vegan.
00:53:17.000I mean, we're talking about a life in the scripture.
00:53:20.000We see, you know, John the Baptist jumping up and down as Jesus is coming in his mother's womb.
00:53:27.000Like the two babies in the wombs are meeting together and John is recognizing it in his spirit and jumping up and down because it's a real individual autonomous life stamped by the image of God.
00:53:40.000And when Warnock says, you know, I'm a pro-abortion pastor, it doesn't compute.
00:53:46.000It can't compute unless you say, you know, I'm also a pro-Satan Christian.
00:53:50.000Like I love being a Christian and I love Satan at the same time.
00:53:59.000And it trickles down to the rest of the church, too.
00:54:01.000I read a really interesting poll from Pew Research the other day doing a research project for something I'm working on with Turning Point USA.
00:54:08.000And the vast majority of the Christian church in America is pro-choice.
00:54:11.000They believe that abortion should be legal in at least some situations.
00:54:15.000And this poll broke it down by denomination, too.
00:54:17.000I don't remember every single number, but Catholics are 58% in favor of abortion in all circumstances in America today.
00:54:26.000That should tell you something of how dramatically the church has changed within the last few decades within our lifetime, Charlie.
00:54:32.000And just the idea that the church used to be a single issue voting block about protecting the sanctity of life, how quickly that's degraded because pastors and priests have completely abandoned their responsibility to tell the truth to people is so disappointing to see.
00:55:08.000Rich man is walking by the poor man, right?
00:55:11.000Begging, and he's like, nah, I don't feel like giving you money.
00:55:14.000And the rich man goes to hell because of his interactions with other people in his culture, not just because he has some kind of moral assent.
00:55:38.000And so then we have, you know, major famous Christian rappers that are like, I'm going to support this pro-abortion guy that's pro-genocide in the womb and not literally not understand why he shouldn't.
00:55:50.000And the church does nothing to call him out.