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00:01:18.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:20.000 I am on location in our nation's capital.

00:01:23.000 Blake's holding it down in the YREFI studio.

00:01:25.000 How are we doing, Blake?

00:01:26.000 We're doing great.

00:01:27.000 It's probably the last day before Phoenix becomes an oven for four months or so, but it's mid May.

00:01:33.000 We made it pretty far.

00:01:35.000 And it's raining in DC this morning, which.

00:01:39.000 Which was an abrupt change.

00:01:40.000 You said it was raining in Phoenix yesterday, which was untrue.

00:01:43.000 But we got lots to get to.

00:01:44.000 We got lots to get to.

00:01:46.000 What a night it was indeed.

00:01:48.000 And it's time to celebrate the grassroots. 0.75

00:01:51.000 It's time to celebrate the base conservatives that turned out and sent a very loud message across the country to rhino betrayal Republicans all over the country. 0.80

00:02:04.000 If you betray your base, if you do not do what the voters want you to do, guess what? 0.65

00:02:09.000 The consequences.

00:02:10.000 And there's a lot of storylines going around about what this means and what it doesn't mean.

00:02:16.000 I think most of them are missing the really big obvious point here, but whatever, we're going to get to that in just a second.

00:02:22.000 So I'll throw up 141.

00:02:24.000 It's a huge congratulations to Blake Feicher, Jeff Ellington, Michelle Davis, Jay Starkey, Trevor DeVries, Dr. Brian Schmoltzer, and Tracy Powell.

00:02:36.000 They are turning point action endorsed candidates that have won their.

00:02:42.000 Elections.

00:02:43.000 And yes, we do have Brett just about to join us.

00:02:46.000 So they won over their incumbents.

00:02:49.000 Obviously, the incumbents refused to do the redistricting, and voters didn't like that so much.

00:02:56.000 And so, Turning Point Action was on the ground in Indiana, working hard and door knocking, canvassing, getting out the vote.

00:03:03.000 Here to help us explain what went down and why it happened is Brett Galashevsky.

00:03:08.000 He's our National Enterprise Director at Turning Point Action.

00:03:11.000 Brett, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:03:13.000 Hey, Andrew.

00:03:14.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:03:14.000 Hey, Blake.

00:03:15.000 We get to celebrate a little bit this morning.

00:03:18.000 Okay.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:03:19.000 So, Brett, tell us exactly where we're at right now because there's a little bit in flux.

00:03:25.000 We had endorsed nine candidates at Turning Point Action.

00:03:28.000 We now can confirm seven of the nine got over the finish line.

00:03:34.000 One was a loss, a narrow loss, but one is TBD.

00:03:39.000 So, walk us through what we know and what the status is.

00:03:43.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:03:44.000 So, exactly like you said, Andrew, we endorsed or were heavily involved in nine total races.

00:03:50.000 We know that we have seven for sure.

00:03:52.000 The one that we're waiting on right now is a woman that we endorsed named Paula Copenhaver.

00:03:58.000 This is in Senate District 23.

00:04:00.000 This is where Purdue University is.

00:04:02.000 This is a big part of kind of East Central Indiana, just north of the Indianapolis suburbs.

00:04:09.000 Right now, as it stands, our endorsed candidate lost by three votes.

00:04:14.000 However, we believe that there's enough outstanding provisional ballots in the ether for us to be able to compete, especially after an automatic machine in hand recount.

00:04:24.000 So, three votes right now, as it stands.

00:04:27.000 So, not 300, not 3,000, three.

00:04:32.000 Three votes.

00:04:33.000 Okay.

00:04:35.000 Go ahead.

00:04:35.000 So, if you guys would have told me, and think about it like, if you think some of the activists that were involved in that effort, or some of the people that maybe had a big impact on the race would have known ahead of time that this race was going to be decided by three votes, that they would have gone into it with a little bit different of a mindset.

00:04:52.000 Of course, they would have.

00:04:53.000 So, that's really the message that the grassroots should really take out of that effort these races really come down to every single door and every single nook and cranny of the district take this race.

00:05:05.000 Learn from it nationally speaking, but we think that we can run through the tape here over the next couple days, especially after the recount hopefully goes in our favor.

00:05:13.000 So, if that happens, guys, that's eight of nine races.

00:05:16.000 That's basically running the table.

00:05:18.000 That's the ultimate accountability blast that we were hoping to get out of this.

00:05:22.000 So, I talked to Tyler Boyer early in the day yesterday, and I said, Okay, Tyler, define what you guys want as success.

00:05:30.000 What would you be happy with?

00:05:32.000 He's like, Listen, if we got four out of eight, like, Pretty solid.

00:05:37.000 Okay.

00:05:37.000 Like that shows that we've made a huge dent.

00:05:39.000 He's like five out of eight were in massive success stories.

00:05:42.000 Six out of eight were ecstatic.

00:05:44.000 This morning we got seven out of, we say eight or nine.

00:05:48.000 There's one we endorsed or worked in but didn't endorse, but it's fine.

00:05:52.000 So if we get seven wins, then this is like crazy.

00:05:57.000 It's a shot across the bow heard around the world.

00:06:01.000 It really is a big, big moment in conservative politics.

00:06:05.000 So two questions here.

00:06:07.000 And It doesn't matter how you answer them.

00:06:09.000 But one, what are the consequences politically in a sense that what can we now get accomplished when it comes to redistricting and when in the state of Indiana?

00:06:20.000 And two, what do you think the lesson is for establishment Republicans?

00:06:26.000 Yeah, I think the message for establishment Republicans is that for the first time, you're really starting to see some kind of on the ground effort pair up with the accountability measures that we have in place at major organizations like Turning Point Action.

00:06:43.000 I kind of joked before yesterday that I said, you know, hey, if we get seven, seven out of nine, this is going to be talked about in political science textbooks for decades to come.

00:06:52.000 It's the ultimate accountability blast.

00:06:55.000 You know, Trump says it himself, F A F O, that's kind of what we were able to do.

00:06:59.000 I say that tongue in cheek, but that's really what we were able to do in Indiana.

00:07:03.000 So, on a macro level, I really think that this sends a big signal to the rest of the conservative movement that the Overton window is shifting significantly to the right.

00:07:13.000 And if you're an establishment Republican, That is refusing to adapt to the new brand of conservatism or just refusing to really stand up and fight for our president.

00:07:21.000 That's really what it came down to in Indiana, a state filled with MAGA conservatives ran by Republican MAGA haters.

00:07:28.000 That you are going to be left behind, that there will be an effort putting boots on the ground and maximum money and resources in place to protect the MAGA movement.

00:07:38.000 So, specifically in Indiana, just to kind of wrap up the answer to that question, Andrew, the Indiana Senate, as it stands right now, has 40 Republicans and 10 Democrats.

00:07:48.000 We couldn't even get 18 Republicans to vote in favor of the 9 0 redistricting map.

00:07:52.000 So, we have a fresh opportunity now to try that again with some reinforcements, some really conservative reinforcements that love President Trump and understand the broader scale of things now in there in the state legislature.

00:08:04.000 So, we will leave no stone unturned when it comes to a redo in Indiana.

00:08:08.000 That's amazing.

00:08:09.000 Blake, you often, and we both do, but you specifically about how deep red states are not conservative enough.

00:08:16.000 What do you think this means to the future of the Republican Party?

00:08:19.000 Well, we also say every bit of progress is happening one candidate at a time that people have been around a long time.

00:08:26.000 Generally, they are more frustrating.

00:08:27.000 They're more embedded.

00:08:28.000 We've also talked about the need to just take a big, take a national, take a statewide view of your state because we've been frustrated when Charlie was campaigning in Nebraska a couple of years ago.

00:08:39.000 He complained about it so much how they're all very fixated on their Nebraska rivalries, their beefs with other members of their party.

00:08:48.000 And I think we saw a similar thing in Indiana.

00:08:50.000 There's all these dramas, all these personality clashes that none of us are familiar with, none of us want to be familiar with, and most voters don't either.

00:08:58.000 What they want is Lawmakers who are going to deliver what they care about.

00:09:02.000 And, you know, we debated whether it was smart to do the whole, you know, start the redistricting fight.

00:09:06.000 But this is a good example where once it happened, once Democrats were responding to it on their end, you just had a moral obligation to get aboard.

00:09:13.000 Otherwise, it was just quitting on your team.

00:09:16.000 Voters don't want Republicans who quit on the team, period.

00:09:19.000 Yeah.

00:09:19.000 And I think there's a lot of these deep red states that are filled with MAGA hating politicians.

00:09:25.000 And we've been overlooking this problem in the movement for too long.

00:09:28.000 And that just changed.

00:09:30.000 And so a huge shout out to Tim Saylor, who's running data for Team Trump.

00:09:33.000 James Blair, and of course, our Turning Point Action team on the ground that was doing so much canvassing.

00:09:39.000 A lot of victory to go around here.

00:09:42.000 And so we love spreading it out.

00:09:44.000 All right, Brett, I want to break this down.

00:09:46.000 This concept of, let's just take Indiana as an example, but you could look at Oklahoma, you could look at South Dakota, you could look at all of the South Carolina, these deep red states that sometimes feel like we're not getting deep red conservatives out of those states or deep red policies in those states.

00:10:07.000 Explain why what happened last night could be a pun intended turning point for the conservative movement more broadly.

00:10:16.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:10:16.000 I think that right now you're seeing in a lot of these states, like you had mentioned, complacency.

00:10:23.000 And I think we believe at Turning Point Action, this was something that Charlie had always instilled in us at TPA and all of our staff members that when you are complacent, you lose.

00:10:33.000 The movement is changing.

00:10:34.000 I said this in the last segment the Overton window is shifting further to the right.

00:10:38.000 And we have a generational opportunity to really double down on our commitment to the conservative movement by not just focusing on the 10 or 12 swing states that we're already involved in that are going to be at the forefront of the effort every election cycle, but those deep red states where we can rack the score up in and really allow for super conservative policies to come up to the surface.

00:11:02.000 I'll put it to you this way I don't have a problem with leftist states going hard in the paint in states that they have massive control of.

00:11:09.000 Take California, for instance.

00:11:11.000 You know, take obviously what happened in Virginia.

00:11:13.000 The big caveat, the big if there is if super red states like Indiana, like Alabama, which we'll see some movement there, also do the same thing.

00:11:23.000 You have to win these little redistricting battles.

00:11:26.000 There's so much at stake.

00:11:28.000 Yeah, and I just think there's a lot of old blood that has to get purged and filtered out.

00:11:33.000 As Blake said, it's election by election, race by race.

00:11:36.000 We see this in the U.S. Senate, we see it sometimes in the House.

00:11:39.000 Maybe not as aggressively or as quickly as any of us would want, but that's the way democracy, constitutional republic works, these changes happen slowly.

00:11:49.000 The whole form of government is actually designed to repel violent shifts in politics and the political passions of the people.

00:11:58.000 So, if something is worthwhile, and I believe that conservative populism, nationalism is worthwhile, it's going to take cycle after cycle to start doing this.

00:12:08.000 On the state level, though, is something that we have not focused on nationally as a conservative movement.

00:12:14.000 And it feels like this was a huge, huge breakthrough for the movement to show that it can be done.

00:12:20.000 And by the way, did you guys see the Indy star was trying to say, like, it wasn't going to work out?

00:12:26.000 And, you know, what are they going to do?

00:12:28.000 What's Turning Point going to do after we lose all these races tomorrow?

00:12:32.000 So people were trying to make us a boogeyman.

00:12:34.000 They were trying to make us set us up for failure.

00:12:37.000 That did not happen.

00:12:39.000 As a matter of fact, the exact opposite.

00:12:40.000 All right, Blake Brett, this is to you.

00:12:43.000 So David Axelrod basically said, this is why good Republicans don't fight Trump.

00:12:49.000 They're too afraid of Trump.

00:12:50.000 And I think that is the.

00:12:52.000 Exact wrong lesson to glean from what happened last night in Indiana.

00:12:56.000 This felt like it had less to do with Trump and more to do about the sense of betrayal that average conservatives feel when they're voting for their elected leaders.

00:13:05.000 Do you agree or disagree with my take?

00:13:07.000 Blake, I'll throw it to you.

00:13:08.000 100%.

00:13:08.000 I mean, they've gotten used to a lot of frustrations with elected leaders, and this is a symbolic thing, and it's also a thing that just stood out.

00:13:18.000 Was it them pitted against Trump?

00:13:20.000 Sure, but the reason they were feeling this was successful was.

00:13:24.000 Trump was able to come, President Trump was able to come out and say, This is a way to improve our chances of keeping the House.

00:13:29.000 This is a way for us to improve our chances of having longer term success on the border, on DEI, on everything I campaigned on in 2024.

00:13:38.000 If you do this, it will help achieve the things that you are voting on.

00:13:42.000 And they just looked at it and said, We don't want to do it.

00:13:45.000 And they didn't have a strong argument for that.

00:13:47.000 They didn't have a good case for it.

00:13:49.000 And on top of that, they tried to verbally spar with the president.

00:13:53.000 And I think we all know, Once people start verbally sparring with the president, it makes people mad.

00:13:57.000 They end up bashing their voters, they end up bashing his supporters.

00:14:00.000 Well, most Republicans support the Republican president. 0.68

00:14:04.000 And so they just, they clown themselves over and over.

00:14:07.000 And it's unfortunate we've seen this happen over and over over the past decade, where there are these Republicans who posture themselves as the anti Trump faction.

00:14:16.000 And we've seen the pattern play out over and over again that eventually these people just become Democrats, they become liberals, they start hating on the cause that they were supposedly champions of.

00:14:25.000 And people have noticed.

00:14:26.000 This trend, and they think, why do we want these guys around?

00:14:30.000 They seem to not have our interests at heart.

00:14:32.000 They seem to not like us.

00:14:33.000 They seem to be taking us for a ride.

00:14:35.000 Well, and to Blake's point, there's two parts to being a conservative activist there's knocking doors and putting in the work, chasing votes until your knuckles bleed.

00:14:44.000 That's super important.

00:14:45.000 But then there's the second part to being a conservative activist, and I would argue this is the more important of the two holding our conservative elected officials accountable.

00:14:55.000 And if anything, from last night, you know, is Can be proven.

00:14:58.000 It's that there is a formula now in place.

00:15:02.000 We made a commitment to Indiana.

00:15:03.000 We made a promise on December 5th that we were going to follow through on primarying out these Republican senators that refused to stand with the president.

00:15:11.000 We loved working with the Trump team on that.

00:15:13.000 They really captained the ship.

00:15:14.000 But now we showed that, at least at Turning Point Action, we can replicate this all over the country, that at any moment's notice, at the drop of a hat, we can bring in dozens of field staff from around the country who understand what chasing votes.

00:15:28.000 Electioneering and providing a dose of accountability looks like.

00:15:31.000 Today is a great day for the conservative movement when you think of it in that or through that lens.

00:15:36.000 Well, and in our final 30 seconds, I just want to say congratulations, Brett, to you and the team.

00:15:42.000 You guys mobilized, you kicked into gear, you got bodies in the field, you got staff that knew what they were doing that have been trained in this system now for years, and they worked with local activists and they got to work knocking doors, working with volunteer groups and local groups.

00:15:58.000 And man, what a difference it made.

00:16:01.000 This is a big moment, and I think it will mark a huge shift in the future of the conservative movement across the country.

00:16:07.000 Congratulations, Brett and the Turning Point Action team.

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00:17:25.000 All right, welcoming back to the show.

00:17:26.000 It's been a bit of a hiatus.

00:17:29.000 And back by popular demand is Kurt Schlichter.

00:17:31.000 He's a senior columnist at townhall.com.

00:17:34.000 And he's the author of the Kelly Turnbull series, the newest, The Attack.

00:17:40.000 So he does a lot of things, a renaissance man, and he's an avid poster on X. Kurt, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:17:47.000 Well, thanks for having me.

00:17:49.000 By popular demand, huh?

00:17:51.000 Usually the popular demand's in my head.

00:17:54.000 Wow.

00:17:55.000 So I actually had a family member.

00:17:56.000 We'll see by the end of this segment.

00:17:59.000 Depends how you perform here, Kurt.

00:17:59.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:02.000 So I actually had a family member send me your latest column.

00:18:04.000 We're going to get to that in just a second.

00:18:05.000 No black pilling, okay? 0.65

00:18:07.000 But first of all, you had a great tweet last night about the lesson that we should take out of Indiana and how all the rhinos are going to take the wrong lesson.

00:18:16.000 Explain your thoughts.

00:18:18.000 Kurt Schlichter.

00:18:19.000 Look, what happened last night is being misconstrued by our opponents.

00:18:26.000 A bunch of Republicans, about eight of them, decided that they weren't going to fight fire with fire, that they were going back to the old beautiful loser model of the early 2000s, where Republicans preside in a gentlemanly fashion over the destruction of our country, but sensibly, of course, because you wouldn't want to actually engender any conflict.

00:18:51.000 The voters of Indiana tossed, it looks like six of them out and maybe a seventh of the folks who refused to redistrict.

00:19:01.000 Yes.

00:19:01.000 A little update there, Kurt.

00:19:04.000 Seven, and then there's an eighth that we have hopes that she's currently down by three votes, but there's enough provisional ballots.

00:19:10.000 We think there's a path.

00:19:11.000 Yeah, we do, and we hope so.

00:19:16.000 No, I think in the last 20 years, maybe one Republican state legislator lost his.

00:19:21.000 Primary in Indiana.

00:19:23.000 So, this is an earthquake.

00:19:24.000 And what our opponents are saying is well, it just shows that you're cult like in favor of Trump.

00:19:29.000 You'll do whatever he says because you're sheep.

00:19:32.000 I'm not here to correct people's misunderstandings, especially my enemies' misunderstandings.

00:19:37.000 What happened here was the voters got sick of this nonsense.

00:19:43.000 We are continually told that Donald Trump is our leader and that we worship him.

00:19:47.000 No, Donald Trump is our avatar.

00:19:50.000 He is a symbol of our dissatisfaction with the failed pseudo conservative policies of the past.

00:19:56.000 That Donald Trump brought attention to it probably helped get people out in kind of a midterm primary that's usually not super well attended.

00:20:09.000 But the voters in Indiana didn't do this because Trump told them to.

00:20:13.000 The voters of Indiana did it because they want to fight back against Democrat nonsense.

00:20:19.000 So I have to play this clip.

00:20:21.000 I'm loathe to do it, but it perfectly encapsulates what the Democrats are saying. 0.96

00:20:25.000 Oh, we miss the gentlemanly losers the Republicans used to be.

00:20:30.000 And we hope that they get back there at some point. 0.96

00:20:33.000 Sot seven.

00:20:34.000 These Republicans in Indiana, you probably don't agree with them on much.

00:20:37.000 I don't agree with them on much in terms of their policies.

00:20:41.000 They knew what was coming if they stood up to Trump.

00:20:43.000 They stood up to him anyways.

00:20:44.000 I just wonder how different you think our country and our politics could be if more Republicans had that in them.

00:20:51.000 I do believe a different kind of politics is possible.

00:20:54.000 Look, Democrats are always going to disagree with Republicans.

00:20:58.000 I'm always going to disagree on a lot of issues with Republicans.

00:21:01.000 But if we're all actually talking about what we believe in, that that is better than Republicans repeatedly having to feel pressure to either lose their career or do something wrong because the president is demanding it.

00:21:16.000 Of that.

00:21:17.000 All right.

00:21:18.000 I got to give it to Blake because I just have a feeling he's got something.

00:21:21.000 Well, I'm already feeling aggressed because we know Buttigieg wants to run for president and he's clearly calculated that if he grows facial hair, that will undo whatever weaknesses he had in 2020 and allow him to run and dialing back on some of the other bits of his personality that didn't quite work out as much.

00:21:40.000 And I'm just dreading 2028's Democrat primary already, but it will be entertaining.

00:21:46.000 It will be entertaining.

00:21:47.000 Well, I will tell you, Steve Hilton with a beard is.

00:21:50.000 Is giving off gubernatorial vibes.

00:21:52.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:21:52.000 Sometimes the beard can help.

00:21:54.000 It works on you, Blake.

00:21:55.000 Kurt, you can react to that if you want.

00:21:59.000 The floor is yours.

00:22:00.000 Well, look, Pete Buttigieg's facial hair status is probably the least offensive thing about him.

00:22:06.000 I want to hear his advice about as much as I want to review his browser history.

00:22:10.000 That is not at all.

00:22:15.000 I do think it is interesting that he's setting out a path where he essentially says, yeah, I would like Republicans that continually fail and defer to us.

00:22:24.000 Well, I'd like Democrats to do that too, but I'm not getting that or a pony for my birthday.

00:22:30.000 Here's the newsflash, Pete.

00:22:32.000 It's a different Republican party than it was 10 years ago.

00:22:35.000 And it's the kind of guys you idolize whose fault it is.

00:22:39.000 But that's okay.

00:22:40.000 I think politics are a game where you play to win.

00:22:43.000 Finally, Republicans are stepping up to bat and not swinging and missing.

00:22:48.000 Well, and you know what?

00:22:50.000 There's been, and we're going to get to this now because you wrote this great column in Town Hall.

00:22:54.000 How can you even black bill?

00:22:57.000 Image 133, if you want to throw it up.

00:22:59.000 How can you even blackmail?

00:23:00.000 I read it, and you know what it did for me, Kurt, is it reminded me of some things.

00:23:05.000 It reminded me that the murder rate is the lowest it's been since 1900.

00:23:11.000 It reminded me about a lot of the wins that we're actually having.

00:23:14.000 Today, we're seeing that the FBI is raiding a Virginia state legislator who was one of the champions of their redistricting plan to go 10 1.

00:23:25.000 She was calling her own U.S. senators in that state cucks.

00:23:30.000 Quote unquote.

00:23:31.000 That's what she was calling them because they were cautioning about the redistricting plan.

00:23:35.000 So now she's getting the FBI is raiding her offices and her home.

00:23:40.000 So that's happening.

00:23:42.000 The point I'm making is it reminded me that while people sometimes get frustrated with the Iran war or what have you, President Trump deserves so much credit for instilling this backbone into the movement where we actually fight back for once.

00:23:58.000 Tell us about your column and why you wrote it.

00:24:00.000 Well, look, I'm an army officer at heart.

00:24:04.000 And if you start, and if you let your morale sink, you're going to be defeated.

00:24:11.000 I'm always going to look for the positive.

00:24:12.000 I'm always going to look for the next opportunity, the next place to attack.

00:24:17.000 And I don't understand these folks, Andrew, who get out there and tell us we're doomed.

00:24:24.000 It's all over.

00:24:25.000 Hey, we've taken some big hits.

00:24:27.000 We've lost people, but we can't give up.

00:24:30.000 We're winning.

00:24:32.000 Look at the points we're putting on the scoreboard.

00:24:34.000 I just looked at my phone.

00:24:37.000 The market is up 500 points.

00:24:39.000 That's tens of millions of Americans.

00:24:42.000 Whose retirement just got fatter.

00:24:45.000 Yeah, gas prices are a little high.

00:24:47.000 Heck, I'm in California.

00:24:48.000 I hardly notice since it's always so high.

00:24:52.000 But all around the map, we are scoring.

00:24:57.000 We have revitalized NATO.

00:24:59.000 Venezuela is gone.

00:25:00.000 Cuba is going to be, and so is Iran. 0.82

00:25:04.000 This whole Iran thing, I was in high school when the Iran thing started. 1.00

00:25:10.000 This has been a festering store for 50 years. 1.00

00:25:13.000 And it looks like President Trump is on the way to solving it.

00:25:16.000 We are getting rid of the climate hoax stuff.

00:25:18.000 We are getting rid of DEI and equity and all that kind of racist nonsense. 0.88

00:25:24.000 Just the other day, the Supreme Court came out and said, no, you don't have to reserve districts for black Democrats.

00:25:31.000 Everybody can compete for every district.

00:25:34.000 It's win after win after win.

00:25:36.000 And if you're asking for 100%, that's unrealistic.

00:25:40.000 Look at baseball.

00:25:42.000 If someone was batting 800.

00:25:46.000 He would be the greatest baseball player of all time.

00:25:50.000 Okay?

00:25:52.000 Trump's batting about 80.

00:25:53.000 To be otherworldly.

00:25:54.000 Yeah.

00:25:56.000 And speaking of Iran on its way to solve, we have breaking reports that they allegedly are close to a deal that would remove enriched uranium to be shipped to the US.

00:26:04.000 This is what President Trump is claiming.

00:26:06.000 We are hopeful.

00:26:07.000 We will hope that that comes through.

00:26:09.000 We know there have been many false starts there.

00:26:10.000 But yeah, Kurt, it's on so many fronts.

00:26:13.000 There's clearly people who are addicted to despair.

00:26:16.000 They're addicted to blackpilling.

00:26:18.000 It's often, it's almost like watching a sad movie.

00:26:21.000 You get like an emotional high from feeling betrayed and angry and screaming on the internet.

00:26:27.000 And it's often harder to accept.

00:26:29.000 Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

00:26:30.000 You have to keep working hard anyway.

00:26:33.000 And that's often why the most successful left wing movements are like that.

00:26:36.000 The left actually don't win all the time, they take a lot of losses and they just keep moving.

00:26:42.000 If you want a great example on our side, the pro life movement.

00:26:45.000 The pro life movement, it took 50 years to overturn Roe.

00:26:48.000 We had a lot of losses at the Supreme Court.

00:26:50.000 We had a lot of losses at the state level, a lot of losses at the ballot box, and they just had to do the very tedious hard work of just getting up and going every single time before we got the Dobbs ruling a few years ago.

00:27:00.000 And then it's still more work after that, over and over.

00:27:03.000 My favorite example of how much things have changed the other day on Truth Social, the president was just posting stats of what's the lifetime tax contribution of immigrants by where they come from.

00:27:14.000 Some places it's really good, some it's really bad.

00:27:17.000 And you just think we've come so far from a decade ago when he would just say we shouldn't let people in from crappy countries.

00:27:24.000 And everyone lost their minds. 0.70

00:27:25.000 It's how can you black pill? 0.96

00:27:26.000 There's so much progress to be had if you bother to look for it.

00:27:30.000 Kurt, I don't know if you're in California or Texas, but it gets into our next topic here.

00:27:36.000 Again, everybody check out Kurt's column at Town Hall.

00:27:40.000 It was amazing.

00:27:40.000 But there was a California gubernatorial debate last night, and it was just something else.

00:27:46.000 You are a longtime California resident, and I have to believe that you were watching intently, Kurt.

00:27:53.000 I'm going to play a couple of clips here just because, you know, why not?

00:27:58.000 How about SOT 16?

00:28:00.000 Congresswoman Porter, your thoughts on the idea of funding health care for undocumented immigrants statewide?

00:28:07.000 Yes.

00:28:08.000 Yes.

00:28:09.000 And that's, by the way, what I think Californians deserve as answers to these questions. 0.99

00:28:14.000 Well, if you're going to let in a bunch of illegals and build the system, then probably you do deserve that. 0.98

00:28:20.000 But Katie Porter has got to be the most unlikable candidate in the field, and that's saying something. 0.99

00:28:27.000 Kurt, what do you make of the field and how it's shaping up? 0.99

00:28:31.000 Well, Katie Porter strikes me as one of those aggressively stupid middle aged divorce second grade teachers who make all her kids celebrate Kwanzaa. 1.00

00:28:41.000 She's just an appalling person. 1.00

00:28:46.000 But I will give her credit.

00:28:47.000 She's honest.

00:28:48.000 Yes, you hardworking taxpayers of California should give your money to people who shouldn't be here just because, because you deserve that.

00:28:58.000 Now, does she hate the people of California?

00:29:01.000 I think she hates some of us.

00:29:02.000 I am in California right now.

00:29:04.000 Can you feel the ennui?

00:29:06.000 But it's, you know, I would love to tell you that there's a bottom to this, but there's no bottom.

00:29:15.000 You know how drunks hit bottom and they finally say, I got to get myself together.

00:29:18.000 I'm going to die.

00:29:19.000 No more alcohol.

00:29:20.000 That doesn't work for leftists because they don't react to the same incentives we do.

00:29:26.000 You know, you and I would think, oh, well, let's make a prosperous, secure state where people can function and grow to their potential.

00:29:35.000 And the leftist says, no, let's have a place where I'm in charge.

00:29:39.000 Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven.

00:29:44.000 And that's kind of what you got in California.

00:29:47.000 Well, I totally agree.

00:29:50.000 Living in California is really what radicalized me because I realized the progressive mindset essentially results in an ungovernable state or situation because you're incentivized to give more and more stuff to more and more victims.

00:30:04.000 And eventually, nobody's willing to say no to anybody.

00:30:06.000 And it just creates this feeding frenzy, and the producers, the productive people in your society, get hit.

00:30:12.000 This was a wild moment.

00:30:13.000 You know, they say that former HHS secretary Javier Becerra is now surging.

00:30:19.000 That's the new word.

00:30:21.000 They're so desperate to find a lead dog in this pack that now they're saying Becerra, who is grossly incompetent and has a terrible track record at HHS, is now surging.

00:30:32.000 They want him to be the guy. 0.96

00:30:34.000 Problem is, he's awful at it.

00:30:36.000 Sod 18.

00:30:37.000 Everyone knows that Trump campaigned in 2024 talking about lost kids when there were no such thing as lost kids.

00:30:44.000 To hear these candidates now talk about that, if they're so concerned, why haven't they taken any action to find these lost kids?

00:30:51.000 I think it's shameful for people to use Trump lies to try to gain favor with voters when you know it's not true.

00:30:59.000 Use the facts.

00:31:00.000 We should have a governor who relies on the facts.

00:31:02.000 That goes on.

00:31:04.000 So they cut it a little earlier than I was hoping.

00:31:06.000 That goes on for Tony Villaragosa.

00:31:09.000 He goes by Antonio.

00:31:10.000 By the way, his original name is Tony Villar.

00:31:12.000 He changed it to become mayor of LA.

00:31:14.000 People don't know this to Antonio Villaragosa.

00:31:17.000 Really, really shameless stuff there.

00:31:20.000 But he goes, no, these numbers were verified in the New York Times.

00:31:23.000 This is not a Trump attack.

00:31:24.000 You lost hundreds of thousands of migrant kids.

00:31:27.000 And my whole point is don't elect this man.

00:31:30.000 He needs to be prosecuted.

00:31:31.000 Him and Alejandro Mayorcas for crimes against humanity.

00:31:36.000 Your thoughts on Javier Becerra? 1.00

00:31:38.000 Well, I mean, he's well known for being stupid and a liar. 1.00

00:31:42.000 And ironically, he's probably the least offensive of the Democrats. 1.00

00:31:47.000 Katie Porter, the woman who poured hot potatoes on her husband's head, or Tom Steyer, the billionaire climate hoax lunatic. 0.94

00:31:56.000 I think they're even worse. 0.97

00:31:57.000 But Serrell just shut himself up in the office and hide. 0.98

00:32:01.000 So he's the least worst of them, and he's terrible.

00:32:05.000 I mean, it's an outright lie that there were no lost children.

00:32:08.000 The cartels were shipping kids in here.

00:32:10.000 The kids would get brought in, and of course, released by the Biden administration and released to whoever came to get them.

00:32:18.000 And off they went into child labor, into prostitution, into other forms of trafficking.

00:32:23.000 It was a disgrace.

00:32:26.000 And, you know, I think it's fully on brand for the Democrats to simply lie and say, No, it never happened.

00:32:33.000 Well, it happened, and it's all on you.

00:32:35.000 So, Blake, I'll bring you in for this too.

00:32:38.000 You know, we knew this when Swalwell got pushed out of the race that that was actually a net negative for this jungle primary system where we might have had two Republicans at the top Chad Bianco, Steve Hilton.

00:32:50.000 Is there any hope here?

00:32:51.000 I mean, we've got voter ID is on the ballot.

00:32:54.000 That's going to generate a lot of enthusiasm with the base.

00:32:56.000 Is there any hope that Steve Hilton, who's currently leading in the polls by all metrics, To actually pull this off, I know we're going to have him on probably later this week.

00:33:06.000 I know he's going to say yes.

00:33:07.000 What say you guys?

00:33:09.000 I mean, we'll fight for him.

00:33:11.000 It's too big of a state to not contest it.

00:33:13.000 You never know what will happen.

00:33:14.000 But Charlie was always one for realism.

00:33:17.000 We need to also be realistic here, not because we want to be defeatist.

00:33:21.000 We're not black pilling, but we do need to make sure, think about how Turning Point Action allocates its resources, where we want to build the red wall. 0.69

00:33:28.000 We want to shift those slightly red states to be deep red.

00:33:32.000 We want to shift those purple states to be slightly red.

00:33:35.000 And the truth is, California is a state that President Trump lost by 20 points, 3.2 million votes in 2024.

00:33:43.000 It is a state that's getting bluer by the year because anyone who's not on board with that insanity is leaving.

00:33:49.000 It's going to be a huge lift.

00:33:50.000 I would never say never because there's a lot of ineptitude.

00:33:55.000 And as we saw with Swalwell, there seems to be no rock bottom to the behavior of the top Democrats.

00:34:01.000 So we can easily imagine one of them having a really bad scandal that they can't survive politically.

00:34:09.000 But We want to be realistic here, too.

00:34:12.000 It's going to be a very, very tough climb.

00:34:15.000 Yeah, Hilton's going to get creamed.

00:34:16.000 I don't like to say it.

00:34:17.000 I like Steve Hilton.

00:34:19.000 He's a solid guy.

00:34:22.000 He'd be a good governor.

00:34:23.000 But there are just too many Democrats here.

00:34:25.000 And that's not blackpilling.

00:34:27.000 This is going to be a long fight.

00:34:28.000 There are, you know, look across the map.

00:34:31.000 Look at Florida.

00:34:32.000 Florida is the ultimate purple, maybe even leaning blue state just 20 years ago.

00:34:36.000 Now it's deep, deep red.

00:34:38.000 I'm not saying give up hope.

00:34:40.000 I'm saying be realistic.

00:34:41.000 Let's see if we can help Hilton.

00:34:44.000 Make his case out there, get a few more points than maybe people expected.

00:34:48.000 Then next time we do the same thing. 0.89

00:34:54.000 I think when California finally changes, you're going to get a moderate Republican Hispanic who comes in and says, wait a minute, this isn't meeting the needs of Californians. 0.85

00:35:04.000 We're going to do some a little differently.

00:35:06.000 But I think that's a few cycles down the road.

00:35:08.000 Well, and maybe on that point, if you can get voter ID passed, which is still positive in the polls, it has a real shot of passing.

00:35:15.000 And you saw what the Save America Act would do to states like New Mexico and Nevada.

00:35:19.000 That could shift the electorate as well.

00:35:21.000 Kurt Schlichter, Town Hall.

00:35:23.000 Check out the book, The Attack.

00:35:25.000 We'll see you soon.

00:35:25.000 Thank you, my friend.

00:35:26.000 Thanks for having me.

00:35:30.000 I wasn't expecting this, but Death of Recess genuinely stopped me in my tracks.

00:35:35.000 This isn't about dodgeballs and jungle gyms, it's about control.

00:35:38.000 The modern American classroom didn't just happen, it was intentionally designed, standardized, and centralized.

00:35:45.000 And once you see who built it and who protects it, everything will click for you, too.

00:35:50.000 Billions of dollars flow through education bureaucracies every year, test scores collapse, and somehow the answer is always more money and less parental authority.

00:35:59.000 The documentary breaks down how organizations like the NEA amassed enormous influence, how radical gender ideology entered classrooms, and why something as basic as recess, movement, freedom, childhood, all the good things, how they had to go.

00:36:14.000 That's not random, it's systemic.

00:36:17.000 Institutions protect themselves, they do not protect your kids.

00:36:20.000 That's why this documentary exists on Angel Studios streaming platform Angel Guild.

00:36:25.000 Angel Guild is willing to distribute films that challenge powerful systems when legacy media won't touch them.

00:36:31.000 So, Go to angel.com/slash Charlie and watch Death of Recess right now.

00:36:36.000 If you're a parent or if you plan to be one, you need to see this film.

00:36:41.000 Angel.com/slash Charlie.

00:36:46.000 We're joined now by one of our favorite writers and thinkers about the modern state of America.

00:36:53.000 We're joined by Helen Andrews.

00:36:56.000 Helen, are you there?

00:36:57.000 I am.

00:36:57.000 Thanks a lot.

00:36:58.000 Great to be here.

00:36:59.000 Great to have you.

00:37:00.000 You can find her work all over the place.

00:37:01.000 She writes a lot for Compact, she writes a lot of great stuff on X, and she's the author of The excellent book I can highly recommend, Boomers, all about the men and women who promised paradise and brought disaster.

00:37:12.000 I might have mangled the title there a bit, but Helen Andrews, Boomers, check it out.

00:37:16.000 But we wanted to have you on today for another worthy topic.

00:37:20.000 There was news in the economic press recently that it happened.

00:37:26.000 It's happened briefly in the past during COVID, but it's becoming more permanent now that more women than men are going to work every day, that they're on payrolls. 0.97

00:37:36.000 We're becoming a majority women economy, which has got to be. 0.91

00:37:40.000 Basically, unprecedented in the Western world.

00:37:44.000 And Helen, you're one of the best commentators.

00:37:47.000 And what does that mean for society? 1.00

00:37:49.000 What world are we building when we have a majority of women on payrolls? 1.00

00:37:54.000 You said it. 1.00

00:37:55.000 Unprecedented is the only word for it. 0.94

00:37:57.000 As far back as we have data, it has been not just it's never happened, it's been unimaginable that we would have a world where more women are employed than men.

00:38:07.000 It has happened briefly, as you said before, in little blips.

00:38:11.000 Usually around recessions.

00:38:14.000 It happened after the 2008 financial crisis, and that's because men were more likely to be in jobs like construction that can be kind of turned off at times of economic crisis.

00:38:23.000 But then male employment usually rebounds pretty quickly.

00:38:28.000 The difference this time is that this is a more sustainable situation.

00:38:33.000 Well, not sustainable in the sense of, you know, will lead to good outcomes, but these are long term trends of declining male workforce participation.

00:38:43.000 And what does that mean for our country?

00:38:45.000 It means bad things because this is not a sustainable situation. 0.91

00:38:49.000 When you see the numbers showing that men are doing really badly in the workforce and women are doing comparatively well, you might think that that's good for women because women are earning more money. 0.88

00:39:03.000 But it's actually bad, not just for the men, but even for the women because data shows that women don't pair off with or marry. 0.73

00:39:13.000 Men who make less money than they do, who are less educated than they are.

00:39:17.000 They definitely don't pair off with and marry men who are unemployed. 0.76

00:39:21.000 So, if we are now living in a country where most of the time more women have jobs than men, that spells disaster for marriage rates, birth rates, and kind of the long term sustainability of our society. 0.67

00:39:39.000 Yeah, that's another data point I saw you were posting about on X just the other day. 0.93

00:39:45.000 I think this was data from Australia, but we're much like Australia, where Overall, men still earn more than women on average.

00:39:51.000 But in that key window where you'd be getting married, starting families in your early 20s, we now have a female wage premium that women do out earn men.

00:40:01.000 And yet it seems that in our discourse, it's still the narrative from politicians is entirely about the wage gap hurting women, that we need more initiatives to help women.

00:40:13.000 But it seems the opposite is true.

00:40:14.000 We actually have widespread anti male discrimination.

00:40:18.000 If you run the blind studies, they prefer to hire women.

00:40:20.000 Is that really the case? 0.99

00:40:22.000 Absolutely.

00:40:23.000 And I think that's the core fact about this strange new development to internalize is that it is artificial. 1.00

00:40:31.000 This is not a natural result of women just going out there and kicking butt in the workplace and being really great employees. 1.00

00:40:38.000 It exists, rising female workforce participation and greater female promotion in the workplace. 1.00

00:40:45.000 That's not happening naturally. 1.00

00:40:46.000 That's happening because the law incentivizes it.

00:40:50.000 A few months ago, I wrote an article called The Great Feminization that went very viral.

00:40:54.000 And there were a lot of things I said in there that got me in trouble.

00:40:57.000 With the usual suspects that were pretty controversial.

00:41:01.000 But the line that was objected to most frequently was where I claimed exactly this.

00:41:06.000 I said that companies hire women that they wouldn't otherwise have hired and give women promotions that would otherwise have gone to men because those companies know if you don't have enough women in your workforce overall and in your upper management, that can be grounds for a lawsuit.

00:41:27.000 The laws against gender discrimination are so loose that a single disgruntled employee who doesn't think that she's gotten ahead the way that she wanted to, if she can identify a statistical disparity and can say, you have twice as many men as women in your upper management, or whatever kind of statistics she can come up with, if she can bring that to a courtroom and say, this is proof that this company discriminated against me as a woman, she has a very good likelihood of success. 0.74

00:41:57.000 Responding to this article, doubted that, but it's just absolutely 100% the case.

00:42:03.000 Companies are very, very worried about lawsuits around gender discrimination.

00:42:09.000 I mean, even Goldman Sachs had to pay out $215 million over a gender discrimination lawsuit.

00:42:18.000 And Goldman Sachs is obviously not a fly by night corporation.

00:42:20.000 They have a lot of, you know, they really try and avoid any kind of legal liability like that.

00:42:24.000 But even corporations like that are getting stuck with gender discrimination lawsuits.

00:42:28.000 So companies absolutely do. 1.00

00:42:30.000 Try and boost women as much as they possibly can to get their numbers up.

00:42:34.000 And that leads to situations like we have now where men are unfairly disadvantaged.

00:42:40.000 I want to loop.

00:42:41.000 We had lost Andrew for a second, but we're bringing Andrew, our co host, back in here.

00:42:46.000 Andrew, I'm thinking here, obviously, this is, I think, I agree with Helen that this is artificial and it's having big impacts on marriage and as a result on fertility.

00:42:56.000 But I'm really interested in the big long term picture.

00:42:59.000 If this continues for 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, What sort of society are we going to build?

00:43:05.000 Andrew, what do you think about that?

00:43:07.000 Well, listen, I mean, I happen to think Helen Andrews is a national treasure.

00:43:11.000 So, whoever's coming after you, Helen, I want names.

00:43:15.000 I want to know.

00:43:16.000 Because I think that what you've unlocked with this great feminization article in Compact Magazine, I think will be looked back at as a massive, massive inflection because we were able to directly draw a line between wokeism and the feminization of the workforce, of industries, of institutions. 0.62

00:43:37.000 I think the feminist lies pumped into the brains of young women is one of the existential threats to Western civilization. 0.63

00:43:45.000 I think it's like the dark. 0.99

00:43:46.000 Triad basically.

00:43:47.000 It's open borders, it's wokeism, and it's feminism, or maybe Islamification because wokeism and feminism are redundancies now.

00:43:55.000 But my point is, Helen, there's this graph that's been going around everywhere.

00:44:00.000 Young women have become much more liberal while men have basically stayed the same.

00:44:05.000 I want you to diagnose why this is.

00:44:07.000 This is a graph, 152, if you could throw it up.

00:44:09.000 What is behind this?

00:44:11.000 And are these topics we're talking about interrelated?

00:44:15.000 Absolutely.

00:44:16.000 One of the most fundamental differences between men and women. 0.55

00:44:20.000 That shows up in study after study is that women are more consensus oriented. 0.92

00:44:26.000 When women are deciding what do I believe, what do I think about this or that, they're just more likely to poll their friends to gauge what the people around them are thinking, whereas men are more likely to be individualistic.

00:44:38.000 A man is much more willing to say, well, nobody else or none of my peers agree with me on this, but I've crunched the numbers in my own head and to my own satisfaction, and my conscience tells me I think something different, and that's just going to have to be okay with everybody around me. 0.95

00:44:53.000 There are lots of evolutionary psychological stories you could talk about in terms of why that's the case, but that's just demonstrably true.

00:45:00.000 Helen, I happen to think that one of the big things that's really going on underneath the surface is that women have gotten everything they were told they were supposed to want and it's making them miserable and bitter. 1.00

00:45:11.000 And there's a podcaster, Rachel Wilson, author of Occult Feminism, who said, I thought, put it very well.

00:45:18.000 I want to get your reaction to this clip on the other side, SOT 21.

00:45:24.000 Dissatisfaction, unhappiness, a feeling of being really torn, trying to have it all, trying to have a career and be a career woman and also have a family and do all of that. 1.00

00:45:36.000 Women don't know what to do with relationships because, on the one hand, they want men who make more than they do, they want men who are higher achieving than they are. 0.75

00:45:45.000 Yet, this creates a paradox whereas women have become the number one earners of college degrees, they have now got salaries that compete with men, and they've got more equality than ever before.

00:45:58.000 They're finding that the men are not suitable to marry.

00:46:02.000 They're finding that, you know, they just can't find a guy who's on their level or higher, which is what they really want.

00:46:08.000 All right.

00:46:09.000 So here's the great setup then, Helen. 0.89

00:46:11.000 You've got high achieving women, at least professionally, who are deeply miserable. 1.00

00:46:16.000 They're on anxiety meds. 1.00

00:46:17.000 They're upset.

00:46:18.000 They're bitter.

00:46:19.000 And the men are not making enough money until they're past like mating age and fertility, prime fertility years.

00:46:26.000 What's the solution?

00:46:28.000 Like, what would be your prescription for how to get us out of this death spiral?

00:46:33.000 Well, I'm very sensitive to the problem that the podcaster that you just showed was talking about.

00:46:38.000 I'm very lucky.

00:46:39.000 I've got three kids at home.

00:46:41.000 And right now I'm in the leaning out phase of my career.

00:46:44.000 I don't have a day job.

00:46:45.000 I just take care of them.

00:46:46.000 It's really wonderful.

00:46:47.000 I really don't want to miss these precious years.

00:46:50.000 But I'm able to do that because I have a husband who has a full time job.

00:46:54.000 So when you see any high achieving woman who's been given a lot of the artificial breaks, promotions that might otherwise have gone to a man, you might think that's great for her.

00:47:06.000 But there are lots of men in the picture, the men who didn't get those promotions.

00:47:11.000 And those men probably have wives at home who are wishing that they could stay home with their own kids and have a little lean out phase of their own. 1.00

00:47:20.000 And they can't because their husband has been thwarted at work by these artificial feminist rules that make it hard. 0.53

00:47:28.000 In terms of what to do about it, I think fixing student loans is probably going to be a big part of the picture. 0.90

00:47:36.000 That the majority of student loans are held by women, but it's not just by a little bit, it's by a lot. 0.95

00:47:41.000 Two thirds of the student debt out there is held by women. 1.00

00:47:44.000 And a lot of that never gets paid off because these women are in fields that don't earn a lot of money or they're working in nonprofits, which is a field that has student loan debt forgiveness. 1.00

00:47:56.000 So you work at a nonprofit for 10 years and then your student loans are written off. 1.00

00:48:00.000 So these women are being educated essentially on our dime because we, the taxpayer, paid to send them to school and then they. didn't pay us back with that student debt. 1.00

00:48:13.000 So we're subsidizing their educations and their jobs, and it's creating this imbalance artificially.

00:48:19.000 I have a thought, and I wonder what you make of it.

00:48:22.000 So, one result of this that we've seen because of this divergence, ideological and economic, is we have a much wider fertility gap between conservatives and liberals.

00:48:32.000 They used to be pretty similar.

00:48:34.000 Now, among people, I think in their 30s, conservative women are having, I think, twice as many children as far left liberal women on average.

00:48:43.000 Do you think that that?

00:48:45.000 Is going to continue and expand?

00:48:46.000 And one, is it possible this becomes sort of self correcting that will end up the future will be occupied by people who value more traditional norms for their own sake?

00:48:58.000 Or is that not going to be enough? 1.00

00:49:01.000 We need a systemic fix that will enable even liberal women to have kids again. 0.55

00:49:06.000 I think you're absolutely right about this being self correcting. 0.65

00:49:08.000 I think liberalism of the kind that exists in the United States today is a self extinguishing philosophy.

00:49:16.000 It's a philosophy that has a death wish, and all we can do is make sure it doesn't drag the rest of us down with it.

00:49:22.000 It's an ideology that can't reproduce itself, quite literally.

00:49:26.000 So, the people that we have to care about and sort of make policy around are the people in the middle who have conservative dispositions.

00:49:36.000 They're the people who don't really buy into this self extinguishing liberalism.

00:49:39.000 They like humanity and want to carry it on, and they want to have kids.

00:49:43.000 They just feel trapped by the financial incentives that make it harder for women to take a break.

00:49:50.000 From the workforce and go home and have kids and raise them, or to pair off with men in the first place.

00:49:56.000 So, if we just tweak it a little bit, make it a little bit easier for women to do that and for men to succeed enough to allow women to do that, then I think we can take care of those folks in the middle who aren't the crazy liberals.

00:50:07.000 They're just trying to survive in the crazy world the liberals have made for the rest of us.

00:50:12.000 Helen, I mentioned your book Boomers, which came out a few years ago.

00:50:16.000 Very good.

00:50:17.000 People should read it.

00:50:18.000 You get profiles of Steve Jobs and some, I think, was Camille Paglia one of them too?

00:50:18.000 Highly entertaining.

00:50:25.000 Yeah, great stuff.

00:50:27.000 Different profiles of the boomer thing.

00:50:29.000 But I thought I'd ask we have a couple minutes left.

00:50:32.000 I know you mentioned you're not working a day job right now, but I think you are working on more books in the future.

00:50:39.000 What, first of all, what might we be able to look forward to from you?

00:50:43.000 What are your big ideas floating around right now?

00:50:45.000 And also, what are your thoughts on the general issue of turning the tide culturally?

00:50:50.000 What do we need to be producing more work like yours in the conservative sphere?

00:50:54.000 Well, I am working on a book project.

00:50:56.000 Good guess.

00:50:57.000 The nature of it is confidential at this time.

00:51:00.000 I can't wait till it's ready to share with everybody, but it's just not, just not, just yet.

00:51:05.000 Can you message me privately?

00:51:07.000 When it's ready, you guys will be the first to know.

00:51:07.000 I want to know.

00:51:10.000 I'll give you that breaking story when it's ready, I promise.

00:51:13.000 We'd love to help you.

00:51:14.000 But I do think books are important.

00:51:17.000 Books are the missing piece right now.

00:51:19.000 People like you have done such a wonderful job fostering good conservative intellectual work in the podcasting sphere, in the radio sphere, organizing people in real life.

00:51:29.000 There are some great conservative magazines out there, and I've worked at many of them, and they do a terrific job.

00:51:35.000 The biggest gap.

00:51:38.000 In conservative media, as far as I can see, is books.

00:51:42.000 So that's what we need more of, and that's what I'm trying to supply.

00:51:45.000 Amen.

00:51:47.000 It's very real.

00:51:47.000 I think there's articles, are great, segments are great, but there's a real power to if you can have 200 pages, 300 pages on a specific thing that can lay out a narrative.

00:51:58.000 And we think of how many myths, you think of White Fragility, that was a book by Robin DiAngelo, and suddenly everyone had to read it, and this was the left wing explanation for the world.

00:52:08.000 We need to have on the right a book that we can say, This explains the reality that we're in.

00:52:13.000 Well, and I just want to say the article that we had you on previously about the workforce becoming feminized and becoming woke, I genuinely believe that is such an important contribution to the discourse.

00:52:30.000 I saw there were clips about Adam Carolla that I just saw talking about it.

00:52:34.000 He was in LA.

00:52:36.000 And the people asked, had you read this article?

00:52:38.000 And they're like, yeah, of course.

00:52:40.000 Everybody sent me this article.

00:52:42.000 So, what you're doing is truly important, Helen.

00:52:45.000 And I want to underscore again, I'll reframe my top three. 0.84

00:52:51.000 I think it's open borders, mass migration, it's feminism, and Islamification. 1.00

00:52:56.000 That's my top three threats to Western civilization. 1.00

00:52:59.000 And you have a unique ability to address the feminism one. 0.97

00:53:03.000 So, thank you for your contribution.

00:53:05.000 We'll have you on again soon when you could talk about your book.

00:53:07.000 My goodness.

00:53:09.000 We're waiting on bated breath.

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00:54:38.000 Without further ado, I want to welcome Mike Collins, Congressman out of Georgia, who's going to be the next senator from the great state of Georgia.

00:54:47.000 And I believe he's got one of the best pickup opportunities around nationwide.

00:54:52.000 Welcome to the show, Congressman, future Senator Mike Collins.

00:54:56.000 Well, I appreciate y'all having me on it.

00:54:57.000 And you're exactly right. 1.00

00:54:59.000 This is the number one race in the country to flip. 0.94

00:55:04.000 John Ossoff has been underwater.

00:55:05.000 He's been below 50% forever.

00:55:08.000 And if you look at the current polling data in every general election poll there is out there, I've either been tied with him or in the margin of error since we got in this race, not to mention the fact that we've been leading in the primaries since we got in it.

00:55:21.000 Yeah.

00:55:21.000 And I want to show you that we've got this graphic of you are now, it looks like this is from Qantas Insights taken April 28th through May 2nd.

00:55:31.000 And it's got you at 33% in the primary. 0.95

00:55:34.000 So you haven't even gone toe to toe with Asaf yet, who, by the way, is just such a mediocre, milquetoast, no nothing.

00:55:40.000 I don't even know what he's about.

00:55:43.000 I was cracking up because Mark Halperin, who's a friend of the show, put out his top eight for potential future president candidates from the Democrat Party.

00:55:52.000 And somehow Asaf made the list.

00:55:54.000 I was like, what has he even done?

00:55:57.000 Is the qualification to be on this list just to be a white Democrat male because they've driven out so many of them?

00:56:04.000 So, you describe yourself, though, Congressman, future senator, as, and I should say, your turning point action endorsed proudly.

00:56:12.000 So, we're grateful to have you on.

00:56:15.000 You describe yourself as a workhorse.

00:56:16.000 Now, explain your background.

00:56:18.000 You came out of trucking.

00:56:19.000 You actually do stuff.

00:56:22.000 That's why we love you.

00:56:23.000 What is your background?

00:56:24.000 Why does that set you apart here?

00:56:26.000 Well, and I think that's the main point here, is just the fact that I'm just a blue collar small businessman, been successful in the trucking industry.

00:56:35.000 One of the the most regulated and taxed industries that there is in this country.

00:56:40.000 And to be able to take that experience and go to Washington and get something done.

00:56:45.000 I mean, I've had probably one of the most successful careers that there is in Congress, even though I've only been up there one full term, and that's to get two pieces of legislation signed into law.

00:56:55.000 In the Lake and Riley Act, that was my piece of legislation, which, by the way, California's third senator, John Assoff, opposed that bill.

00:57:05.000 And you want to know what John Assoff or what he looks like.

00:57:08.000 All you have to do is look at the state of California, combine that with the state of New York, because that's where his money comes from.

00:57:16.000 The majority of his money comes from those two states.

00:57:19.000 And it's because he doesn't reflect the values of this state, the people of this state, or any resemblance to this state.

00:57:26.000 So, you know, you're looking at a guy right there now that actually agrees with men playing in girls' sports.

00:57:33.000 I've not found a soul here in the state of Georgia that agrees with that.

00:57:37.000 Well, I bet you could go somewhere.

00:57:39.000 Downtown Atlanta and find one or two.

00:57:41.000 But yeah, it's a rarity.

00:57:44.000 I will tell you, Atlanta, the traffic, sir, what happened to that city?

00:57:48.000 I went when I was younger and it was like paradise.

00:57:50.000 And then, anyways, you know, you got to love it.

00:57:53.000 That's your job.

00:57:56.000 Blake, I don't know if you have a question for the congressman, but I've got plenty.

00:57:59.000 So the floor is yours.

00:58:00.000 Go ahead.

00:58:01.000 So I want to reflect on what happened last night in Indiana and then take that to the grassroots in the base voters in Georgia.

00:58:01.000 Yeah.

00:58:09.000 So last night we saw a referendum on.

00:58:12.000 Betrayal of the party.

00:58:14.000 I believe that you are a guy that will resonate so deeply with the grassroots and the base voters.

00:58:20.000 That's going to be your upper hand when it comes to a general because midterms are all about turnout.

00:58:25.000 You're a guy that gets them excited.

00:58:27.000 Tell us what your platform that's going to get us excited, that's going to get that turnout in an off year, that's going to set you apart in a general election.

00:58:35.000 Yeah, you know, it's just the fact that midterm elections are all about turnout.

00:58:40.000 That's it.

00:58:41.000 It's lining up the voters in your party.

00:58:46.000 And here in the state of Georgia, if you don't go for that low propensity Trump voter or someone that actually is a Trump candidate, then you're not going to turn out the voters.

00:58:57.000 And the unique thing about me is when you look at how I have been solidly behind President Trump all the way back to 2016, I mean, I've either maxed out to President Trump with financial help, or in the case of 2024, I was the only candidate in this race in Georgia that was out there across the country knocking on doors.

00:59:18.000 I mean, yeah, I was the guy, the old Southern boy out there in Iowa, negative 40 degree weather.

00:59:24.000 And not only that, but I also went out across this country and picked up six other candidates and campaigned for them, went and knocked doors.

00:59:33.000 Turning Point knows they know how important knocking doors is.

00:59:38.000 And so I went out there knocking doors for those candidates because I wanted them to be in Congress when President Trump got back to the White House so that we would have his back this time.

00:59:47.000 Because I honestly don't think that they actually had his back in 2017.

00:59:51.000 The people of the state of Georgia see that.

00:59:53.000 They see that.

00:59:55.000 And that's why we're resonating.

00:59:57.000 Now, the Atlanta suburban crowd, and that's the other part of the Republican Party here.

01:00:02.000 They just want somebody to go get something done.

01:00:04.000 You know, and if you take a look at the Lake and Riley Act, I could have got that passed with just Republicans, but I actually went and got Democrats because I knew that's how I was going to get it out of the Senate.

01:00:15.000 And that's how we got that bill passed.

01:00:17.000 And that's what they want.

01:00:18.000 They want somebody to actually to deliver for them.

01:00:21.000 And, you know, I don't know if your audience knows this or not, but in just one year's time, that little simple three, four page piece of legislation has been responsible for taking over 20,000.

01:00:34.000 Illegal criminals off our streets across this country, which is making us safer.

01:00:39.000 I would say it's a huge success. 0.99

01:00:41.000 Yeah, I mean, so much of the violent crime is done by such a small percentage of violent criminals, repeat offenders, foreign illegal gang members, all this stuff.

01:00:49.000 I mean, so hugely important. 0.61

01:00:51.000 Murders are down to a low, as low as they've been since 1900.

01:00:55.000 And it's common sense reforms like the Lake and Riley Act.

01:00:58.000 And, you know, may she rest in peace and may her family have peace.

01:01:03.000 I want to ask you, though, there's a dynamic in Georgia that's difficult as an outsider to understand, right?

01:01:08.000 So, you got Governor Kemp who wins the state by like eight points.

01:01:11.000 He's been a thorn in President Trump's side.

01:01:13.000 Even in 2024, we didn't win Georgia by a whole heck of a lot, right?

01:01:18.000 It was a couple points.

01:01:19.000 Are you concerned?

01:01:20.000 And I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

01:01:22.000 I think it's completely overcomable.

01:01:24.000 Are you concerned that Trump's brand is not like so popular that it drives people to polls in Georgia?

01:01:31.000 Georgia's a funny state when it comes to turnout and political tribalism.

01:01:36.000 Explain the dynamics in your state, sir.

01:01:38.000 Yeah, you know, if you let's harken back to 2020 because.

01:01:42.000 That's when Ossoff went into this seat to begin with.

01:01:45.000 And we all know it.

01:01:46.000 That race was legitimately rigged.

01:01:49.000 I mean, we changed the rules in the middle of the game, sent out absentee ballots to everybody in your family and all your pets.

01:01:55.000 And so we've done a good job of cleaning up the voter roll from that standpoint.

01:01:59.000 And we're making sure that we're not sending out absentee ballots.

01:02:03.000 We could use the Save Act.

01:02:04.000 Congressman, real quick question on that.

01:02:07.000 I know in 2020, especially, there was all that issues with signature verifications and rolling back the signatures.

01:02:11.000 Has that been fixed?

01:02:13.000 Yes, what you're seeing now is you're seeing more people that are working these polls.

01:02:20.000 And that was the in 2020, I was in the private sector, y'all.

01:02:23.000 And I was also the chairman of our Republican Party in the little county I'm in.

01:02:27.000 So I had to work the polls because you couldn't really get people to help.

01:02:31.000 But that you're hitting the nail on the head.

01:02:34.000 When somebody turns in an absentee ballot, it's supposed to be signed on the front with their name so that you can verify signatures.

01:02:42.000 And to me, that is where we need to look.

01:02:45.000 That's where I'm so thankful that Kash Patel and the FBI came by and paid us a little visit in Atlanta and picked them up a bunch of boxes of souvenirs.

01:02:53.000 And I hope they go through them.

01:02:55.000 And at the end of the day, we need to prosecute people that held them accountable if there were nefarious things done.

01:03:01.000 And I think he's going to find some of that stuff.

01:03:04.000 We have rectified a lot of that.

01:03:06.000 Would I like to be paper ballots?

01:03:07.000 You bet I would be.

01:03:09.000 I would love to do that.

01:03:10.000 But at the end of the day, we've got to make sure that we turn out the vote.

01:03:15.000 Early voting is going on right now.

01:03:17.000 We're seeing record turnouts.

01:03:19.000 We're seeing more Democrats turn out than Republicans.

01:03:22.000 Republicans, you know, we're the type people.

01:03:24.000 We're not going to go vote unless it's election day.

01:03:26.000 I've always been that type of person, too.

01:03:28.000 I don't believe in election season to begin with.

01:03:31.000 I think we should just have one day and go vote.

01:03:33.000 But we're seeing good numbers.

01:03:35.000 We're seeing that turnout.

01:03:36.000 People are excited because they know this was the result of 2020, and we've got to rectify this problem.

01:03:43.000 So give us the timeline here, Congressman, future Senator Mike Collins.

01:03:49.000 Give us the primary and early voting and election day.

01:03:54.000 Yeah, see, early voting has already started.

01:03:57.000 And then the actual primary date is on May the 19th.

01:04:02.000 And then if we have a runoff, that's in June, June the 16th.

01:04:05.000 And then, of course, November the 3rd is your actual general election date.

01:04:09.000 And so all we've got to do is just keep ginning up the vote.

01:04:13.000 That's why we're out here right now.

01:04:14.000 I mean, I tell people all the time, I feel like I'm Ricky Bobby, man.

01:04:17.000 I'm just making laps around the state and staying in first place.

01:04:21.000 But we're down here in South Georgia right now in farm country.

01:04:26.000 And we just left a group.

01:04:28.000 Of over 50, there were 56 people crammed in that little room that we just left down here in South, South Georgia during 12 o'clock when they could have gone and ate lunch somewhere, but they came by to hear what our message was and to help us get this vote out.

01:04:43.000 It's been unreal.

01:04:44.000 Y'all talk about grassroots support.

01:04:46.000 Man, we've got it out here.

01:04:48.000 Yeah.

01:04:49.000 I mean, you're good on immigration. 1.00

01:04:50.000 You're good on crime. 1.00

01:04:51.000 You're common sense.

01:04:52.000 You've got the bases back.

01:04:54.000 You're not going to betray them.

01:04:56.000 You're a workhorse.

01:04:57.000 You work your tail off.

01:04:58.000 That's been great.

01:04:59.000 Clearly proven true.

01:05:00.000 Turning point action endorsed.

01:05:02.000 I mean, Mike, we got your back 100%.

01:05:05.000 We need so many more like you.

01:05:07.000 If we can get rid of Ossoff.

01:05:09.000 So, you know, it's all about turnout.

01:05:11.000 We need to get the base out.

01:05:13.000 Georgia, get out for Mike Collins. 0.99

01:05:15.000 Make him your next senator. 1.00

01:05:16.000 This has to happen.

01:05:18.000 Go check him out at MikeCollinsGA.com.

01:05:22.000 MikeCollinsGA.com.

01:05:24.000 Donate some money.

01:05:25.000 Pitch in.

01:05:26.000 We got your back, Mike.

01:05:28.000 God bless you.

01:05:28.000 Thank you for putting your hat in the ring and getting to work here.

01:05:32.000 Appreciate it, man.

01:05:33.000 Thanks for your time.

01:05:34.000 Thank you.

01:05:35.000 Absolutely.

01:05:35.000 God bless you.

01:05:36.000 You know, what's also going on besides our big win in Indiana?

01:05:39.000 I think we should talk about Ted Turner died this morning.

01:05:44.000 He was in his late 80s, but obviously a very memorable figure in American life if you were around in the 80s and 90s.

01:05:52.000 If you list off the things he was involved in, he's kind of in the, you might say, like the Mike Tyson zone, where any story, or maybe Michael Jackson zone, any story about him, Is at least somewhat plausible.

01:06:04.000 He's the man who invented Captain Planet.

01:06:07.000 If you found that show particularly intolerable in the early 90s, he created, most memorably for us, CNN, the cable news network.

01:06:19.000 In fact, President Trump was memorializing him for just that on Truth Social.

01:06:26.000 And he also created WCW Wrestling.

01:06:29.000 So if you are a child of the 90s like myself, I was not into pro wrestling, but all of My neighbor, all of my friends in school were.

01:06:37.000 They loved all of pro wrestling.

01:06:40.000 Did you ever watch pro wrestling growing up, Andrew?

01:06:42.000 Oh, I did.

01:06:43.000 I watched a lot of it, but my big brother was into it.

01:06:47.000 So I got sort of.

01:06:48.000 As I got older, I faded away.

01:06:50.000 But Fazio on the team has gotten me really into kayfabe and all the storylines and stuff like that.

01:06:57.000 So, quasi, a little bit.

01:06:59.000 You know what's crazy, by the way, is that wrestling is now like on the ESPN app.

01:07:03.000 It's like they're fully mainstreaming.

01:07:06.000 And I'm like, it's not really a competitive sport, but okay, whatever.

01:07:10.000 Continue on.

01:07:11.000 It's 100% competitive.

01:07:11.000 I want to read this yacht story when we get a second.

01:07:13.000 What's that?

01:07:14.000 What was that?

01:07:14.000 I want to read this yacht story.

01:07:16.000 Oh, yeah, go for it.

01:07:17.000 Yeah, read the yacht story.

01:07:17.000 This is interesting.

01:07:18.000 Okay.

01:07:19.000 This blew my mind.

01:07:20.000 Okay.

01:07:21.000 Ted Turner.

01:07:22.000 Okay.

01:07:22.000 So, when he passed, We started looking into it.

01:07:25.000 Blake actually put this in one of our chats, and I was like, this is extraordinary stuff.

01:07:30.000 At the same time, Mr. Turner was developing a damaging reputation for philandering, drunkenness, and public misconduct.

01:07:38.000 His tumultuous first marriage to Julia Nye, with whom he had two children, Laura and Teddy Jr., ended in the early 1960s, shortly after Mr. Turner competed against his wife in a yacht race.

01:07:52.000 Seeing she was on the verge of winning, He rammed her boat with his.

01:07:58.000 That is so savage.

01:08:00.000 I don't have words for it.

01:08:02.000 Obviously, Ted Turner was cut from a different cloth.

01:08:05.000 He broke the mold.

01:08:06.000 Like I said, he's the kind of guy where you could read any story about him and it might be a little believable.

01:08:12.000 So I literally just was looking.

01:08:13.000 What are fun Ted Turner stories?

01:08:15.000 He apparently owned the Atlanta Braves, notably.

01:08:18.000 He apparently tried to manage them for one night, a game they lost.

01:08:21.000 And then Major League Baseball came in and said, You are the owner.

01:08:25.000 You are not allowed to keep doing that, which I'm very disappointed in.

01:08:28.000 They 100% should have let him keep managing the team.

01:08:32.000 That would have been highly entertaining.

01:08:34.000 You can see why he also went into pro wrestling.

01:08:40.000 He funded the movie Gettysburg, for anyone who liked that.

01:08:42.000 He was a big fan of American history, of our Civil War heritage.

01:08:46.000 So obviously, we have a lot of differences with him.

01:08:49.000 Creating CNN is a big one.

01:08:51.000 He was very, he criticized pro life supporters a lot.

01:08:54.000 I do like his appreciation of our history.

01:08:56.000 Well, so President Trump's truth addresses the CNN thing.

01:09:00.000 Said Ted Turner, one of the greats of all time, just died.

01:09:04.000 He founded CNN, sold it, and was personally devastated by the deal because the new ownership took CNN, his baby, and destroyed it.

01:09:12.000 It became woke and everything that he is not all about.

01:09:16.000 Maybe the new buyers, wonderful people, will be able to bring it back to its former credibility and glory.

01:09:20.000 Regardless, however, one of the greats of broadcast history and a friend of mine, Whenever I needed him, he was there, always willing to fight for a good cause, President Donald J. Trump.

01:09:30.000 So he addressed the CNN.

01:09:31.000 I mean, because CNN is what I think of with Ted Turner.

01:09:35.000 I don't think about TBS or TNT or any of that stuff.

01:09:39.000 I think CNN.

01:09:40.000 And, you know, it's probably not his favorite piece of his legacy.

01:09:45.000 But rest in peace to Ted Turner.

01:09:48.000 Any other fun stories you uncovered there, Blake?

01:09:51.000 Oh, let me see.

01:09:52.000 What else do we have here?

01:09:54.000 The yacht story is just incredible.

01:09:57.000 I think he helped us reclaim the America's Cup.

01:09:59.000 He didn't just ram his wife's yacht.

01:10:02.000 He also beat sinister Australian yachts to reclaim major yachting trophies.

01:10:07.000 I like the story about CNN when they went on air.

01:10:09.000 He said they would keep broadcasting.

01:10:11.000 They opened with the Star Spangled Banner.

01:10:13.000 And then he said, We will keep broadcasting until the end of the world.

01:10:16.000 So they have a video in the CNN archives, which is the Marine Corps band playing taps.

01:10:21.000 And it says on it, Only play this if the world is about to end.

01:10:25.000 And so if we're ever facing Armageddon, if the world's about to explode, We will be able to see that clip on CNN.

01:10:33.000 Not that any of us would want to spend our last moments watching CNN, I suspect.

01:10:37.000 You know, he seems to me cut from that old mold.

01:10:41.000 You know, it's like you kind of get a sense of the Gilded Age, those American men of industry, of great wealth that actually poured their money back into the country that cared about its founding values.

01:10:57.000 A real titan and aggressive individual that was wildly creative, wildly pioneering, and was willing to take massive risks.

01:11:05.000 And, you know, it's interesting.

01:11:07.000 You know, we're just talking with Mike Collins, and he said he was in Southern Georgia.

01:11:11.000 I've been to Southern Georgia once, and I was actually near a town called Thomasville.

01:11:15.000 Which is famous for being surrounded by these huge, huge properties that are, they don't even have roads on them.

01:11:22.000 They're some of the biggest undeveloped parcels of land in the country, like 100,000 acre parcels kind of thing.

01:11:29.000 And you do hunting and like kind of in the old mold.

01:11:33.000 And I actually went to one of them to do a hunt, and it was, I found out it was previously owned by Ted Turner.

01:11:40.000 So, and apparently there was all sorts of wild stories.

01:11:43.000 He would go visit the property like twice a year to do these big quail hunts.

01:11:48.000 And they do it with dogs and foxes, and they have people that hand you the gun and load it for you.

01:11:53.000 I mean, it's kind of like old English style down there in Thomasville.

01:11:56.000 And he used to own one of those properties.

01:11:57.000 So it just absolutely never ending, almost insatiable desire and appetite for new adventures.

01:12:06.000 And really, you know, for all of his faults, which it appears there were many, you have to admire that just pure Americana, that drive, that man of industry that animated so much of his life.

01:12:19.000 And you could tell that that's why President Trump.

01:12:22.000 Likes him.

01:12:23.000 100%.

01:12:24.000 You could see this world where you could listen.

01:12:26.000 He was once the largest private landowner in the United States.

01:12:29.000 He repopularized the bison because he wanted bison burgers for a restaurant chain that he created.

01:12:36.000 One thing after another.

01:12:38.000 And one, you can see this used to be, I think, more of America's tycoons were like this.

01:12:43.000 If you read American history, the Hunt brothers, for example, have this flamboyant streak.

01:12:49.000 Carnegie, Rockefeller, they were very eccentric.

01:12:51.000 Today we have.

01:12:52.000 Elon Musk is a little like this, and of course, Donald Trump himself is like this.

01:12:55.000 You could imagine a world where Ted Turner maybe was a Donald Trump like figure, but running on the center left.

01:13:03.000 Obviously, we disagree with him on a lot of things, but he's the sort of character who made America America.

01:13:09.000 And so, you know, as he's passed on, we should remember him for that.

01:13:12.000 Well, this is why we ultimately, you know, have a special place in our heart for President Trump.

01:13:17.000 He's kind of that.

01:13:18.000 He's, you know, maybe Trump is the last of a breed, so to speak.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 06, 2026

A TPAction Victory Lap + The Feminized Economy

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