16 people were indicted in Michigan and could be in prison for the rest of their lives. What does that mean? What does it have to do with all the other indictments going on across the country, and why is this happening?
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00:01:18.000We have been warning for the last couple years.
00:01:20.000In fact, it was two years ago where we said that the night of the long knives was beginning, which, of course, was in Nazi Germany where the regime started to criminally go after their political dissidents.
00:02:50.000They can't win the country by persuasion or dialogue.
00:02:54.000And this fits perfectly into a disturbing trend that I started to realize eight or nine years ago when I first started at Turning Point USA.
00:03:02.000When I started to go to these college campuses, I was under a false assumption that everybody would want to have a conversation about their ideas.
00:03:10.000And the vast majority of left-wing activists are not interested in dialogue.
00:05:50.000The alternate elector piece is critical to be able to prove Donald Trump, quote unquote, prove Donald Trump was a seditious conspiracist.
00:06:01.000It is by no coincidence whatsoever that Donald Trump gets a letter from Jack Smith, and simultaneously, the Michigan Attorney General moves on these quote-unquote alternate electors.
00:06:18.000I was talking to somebody the other day that was one of the good guys in the Department of Justice.
00:06:23.000He's left and he's now running his own law firm.
00:07:02.000He said, Charlie, we have not seen this level of coordination since 9-11.
00:07:09.000We have not seen this level of orchestration between state attorney generals and the federal government since 9-11, where everyone was on the same page.
00:07:23.000Everyone was working as if it was like this organized counterterrorism unit.
00:07:28.000And a theme that we've been building out on this program is we lost our principles and lost our mind after 9-11.
00:07:38.000We are still living in a post-9-11 world where we decided to forsake the Constitution and forsake the idea of natural rights all because we were afraid of another terror attack.
00:07:51.00022 years later, we are now living in a totalitarian country, largely because of our fearful reaction post-9-11.
00:08:03.000But we've built that out, I think, rather comprehensively the last couple months.
00:10:29.000So they need to try to indict the electors to try to make it seem as if Donald Trump was trying to overthrow the government through this alternate elector theory.
00:10:37.000So what exactly is the alternate elector theory?
00:10:41.000We're going to get wonky into the legal aspect of it, but let me also just talk as plainly as I can.
00:10:47.000This idea that signing a piece of paper because there might have been disputed election results sent back to the state legislatures that you're somehow Timothy McVay is preposterous.
00:11:00.000They're treating these people with more criminal weight, more criminal heaviness from the state than BLM and Tifa, people that have destroyed the fabric of the country.
00:11:20.000If you remember, in December 2016, while Donald Trump was disputing the results of the 2020 election, no, that's not right.
00:11:28.000In December of 2020, while Donald Trump was disputing the result of the 2020 election, 16, the reason is because there's too many 16s, okay, 16 electors, it's the whole thing.
00:11:42.00016 Michigan Republicans signed and submitted their own electoral vote tallies for the state.
00:11:47.000They said that actually Trump had won the state of Michigan.
00:11:50.000And so they were legitimate electors and they were casting their ballot on behalf of Trump for the Electoral College.
00:11:55.000Now, where did they get such an idea like this?
00:11:58.000They did this for a very specific reason.
00:12:01.000The Constitution and federal law describes how the Electoral College is supposed to work.
00:12:05.000Specifically, the electors are to assemble on the first Monday after the second Wednesday, December, to cast their votes for president.
00:12:12.000Then those votes are collected on paper and sent to Washington, D.C., where they are counted by the vice president during a session of Congress.
00:12:21.000That was on January the 6th, as you might remember.
00:12:26.000So the idea was this: while Trump was continuing to pursue every possible angle to contest the 2020 race, he needed to make sure that his electors were still around and presenting themselves as valid electors.
00:12:37.000Otherwise, the court could say, well, there was only one slate of electors that was sent.
00:12:42.000And so in the contested states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, New Mexico, the Trump campaign collected the slates of Trump electors, just signing a piece of paper who testified that they were valid electors.
00:12:55.000Now, in her press conference, Dana Nessel presents this as some sort of sinister secret conspiracy.
00:13:05.000In fact, they posted the pictures on Twitter, including in Arizona as well.
00:13:11.000The Michigan delegation literally went down to the state capitol building the TV cameras, saying, if there is evidence to show that this was an illegitimate election, we're putting forth this elector slate so that you could be chosen.
00:13:41.000They want you to be afraid of the knock on the door, the IRS, the ATF, the FBI, the DHS.
00:13:48.000And I have a secondary point on that I'll make in a second.
00:13:52.000But the legal aspect of this, in the 1960 presidential election, we were talking about this a lot while this was happening between Richard Nixon and JFK.
00:14:01.000The state of Hawaii was extremely close.
00:14:03.000Nixon was ahead on election night and the days that follow and the days that followed.
00:14:08.000So his three electors were certified as the official ones in the state.
00:14:12.000But Kennedy supporters were contesting that he had actually won the state of Hawaii.
00:14:17.000So as part of that dispute, JFK electors got together and signed pieces of paper almost identical to the ones that were signed in Michigan and Arizona.
00:14:28.000Ultimately, in 1960, Kennedy's alternate slate of electors ended up getting the electoral votes.
00:14:37.000Kennedy's Hawaii electors wrote that they were in, quote, duly and legally appointed and qualified members of the Electoral College for the state.
00:14:44.000They submitted an envelope containing their votes, which said, quote, we hereby certify that the list of these states of the state of Hawaii given for president are contained herein.
00:14:53.000They make zero mention of the state's ongoing recount or the fact that Nixon's vote slate had been certified as the official one.
00:15:03.000The recount eventually found that JFK had won by 150 votes.
00:15:08.000The state's newly installed governor retracted the prior certification and submitted a new one in favor of John F. Kennedy.
00:15:17.000And when the electoral votes were counted in Congress by Nixon himself, he counted the Kennedy votes.
00:15:23.000So basically in 1960, it looked like Nixon was going to take Hawaii.
00:15:28.000Just like in 2020, it looked like Joe Biden was taking these states.
00:15:32.000And there were still a lot of questions about ballot access and constitutional measures and drop boxes and voter signature issues and mules.
00:15:41.000I mean, there were more questions than there were answers.
00:15:43.000And so 1960 set a precedent that you're able to send two slates of electors until you figure out what the heck is going on.
00:15:51.000That is now considered to be a felony in the state of Michigan.
00:15:55.000It's a preposterous legal argument, but it's not about the legal argument.
00:17:02.000It's because you support the wrong political candidate.
00:17:05.000So in Michigan, they're going after everyday ordinary folks that thought there might be a chance to first be an elector in the Electoral College.
00:17:19.000JFK set a precedent for this in the Richard Nixon election.
00:17:24.000Here's a very important line from a politico story about what happened in 1960.
00:17:29.000One reason that Kennedy votes were counted was because of a state judge's ruling just two days before the vote tallying in Congress.
00:17:34.000Quote, Judge Ronald Jameson agreed that the certified Kennedy electors were legitimate.
00:17:42.000But more significantly, Jameson said it was important that those electors met and gathered on December 19th, 1960, as prescribed by the Electoral Vote Count Act, or the Electoral Count Act.
00:17:54.000Rather than suggest the Democrat electors committed fraud, the judge pointed to their meeting as a key step and preserved their ability to be counted after the recount showed Kennedy had actually won the state.
00:18:09.000Jameson also threw out an effort by the GOP electors to scrap the entire election because of voter fraud allegations.
00:18:17.000So remember, Donald Trump said peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol.
00:18:30.000So they're trying to go after him for January the 6th related events.
00:18:34.000Donald Trump said peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol.
00:18:39.000He also made a video where he said, go home, stop doing this.
00:18:45.000So they can't get him on quote-unquote incitement because thankfully we still have some semblance of a First Amendment where incitement cases are very difficult to win in court, even difficult in D.C.
00:18:57.000So instead, they're going to go after seditious conspiracy.
00:19:01.000I have not seen, no one's seen Jack Smith's indictment except Jack Smith and his group of thugs working with him.
00:19:06.000But let me tell you what is likely going to be on it.
00:19:09.000And I read 18 hours a day on this stuff.
00:19:12.000Here's what the indictment is likely going to be.
00:19:15.000Donald J. Trump embarked on a multi-month project to subvert American democracy.
00:19:22.000Even though we're a Republic, this is what they're going to say.
00:19:25.000By doing so, he met with fledgling legal minds such as Tom Fitton and Sidney Powell and John Eastman to pursue every possible avenue to remain in power despite the fact he knew he wasn't going to win.
00:19:39.000That's exactly why they asked Jared Kushner in the grand jury meeting: did Donald Trump know he lost?
00:19:49.000The reason they asked Jared Kushner that is because if they are able to get a single person to say, and Jared is great, I have a great relationship with him.
00:19:59.000And again, that's a leak out of the grand jury.
00:20:01.000It just goes to show, but they're trying to create the preconditions here.
00:20:04.000If somebody is going to say, oh, yeah, Donald Trump knew he lost, then they're able to say that he was pursuing this with fraudulent intent.
00:20:13.000So the indictment will then say the alternate electors is what Jack Smith considers to be the strongest piece of his case.
00:20:26.000Because then he'll be able to say that through pressure of his campaign, phone calls that he made, to example, they're going to say from Kelly Ward or whatever, it shows a quote-unquote conspiracy, not just a sudden out-of-control riot that happened on January 6th that was filled with federal agents.
00:20:44.000It shows pre-planning, meeting, communication, and they're creating a narrative.
00:20:50.000And this is why the Georgia indictment matters.
00:20:54.000None of this is by mistake, and it's all orchestrated against Donald J. Trump and you.
00:21:00.000It also has a secondary impact that I'll keep on repeating, which is they want you intimidated, scared, afraid, and to say no more and give up.
00:21:12.000If they're able to have the Georgia case where Donald Trump made a perfectly fine phone call to Brad Rothensberger saying, I want you to find the votes, Professor Alan Dershowitz made the best argument ever in that, which is I want you to find votes, not make up votes or create them, find to seek things that already exist, perfectly fine, nothing wrong with it.
00:21:32.000But Fannie Willis and her other group of state-based thugs in the state of Georgia, in Fulton County, they're not going to be convinced or persuaded by that.
00:21:40.000And then you have Jack Smith, who, if you look at kind of how he's triaging, he's not able to say that Donald Trump incited it, tough to do that.
00:21:50.000He's not able to say that Donald Trump was throwing over the government through violent means.
00:21:55.000He never met with the oath keepers, and I don't even know what the oath keepers were doing, but they were charged with seditious conspiracy, so they can't say that.
00:22:01.000So instead, they have to go to other ones because there are clips like this that would weaken Jack Smith's case, Play Cut 75.
00:22:10.000Everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
00:22:48.000So that doesn't help Jack Smith's case.
00:22:50.000So if he, again, this is not, this is not how justice is supposed to be administered.
00:22:56.000You're not supposed to sit in a room and have a desired objective and try to figure out a way that you could create a case against a citizen.
00:23:25.000And that case is actually weaker than they thought.
00:23:28.000So, the case they think is the strongest, which is super weak and awful, but this is in their own perverted legal mind, is the alternate electors.
00:23:40.000Because it checks different boxes where the defense against the speech and the day of is things got out of control.
00:24:06.000So that makes Jack Smith's case harder.
00:24:09.000So, but then Jack Smith said, Oh, no, no, give me a little time.
00:24:15.000And so then you have these MAGA moms and MAGA dads and MAGA grandparents who signed a piece of paper.
00:24:23.000And they have all these loosely written election laws in all these key states where they'll say, okay, if we indict them in the key states, we'll then be able to have the prerequisite to say Donald Trump was the mastermind to subvert the election via alternate electors.
00:24:53.000These are people that do not know the Lord.
00:24:56.000These are people that I think are filled with unclean spirits.
00:24:59.000How could you possibly live with yourself to administer indictments against an 81-year-old that signed a piece of paper that went nowhere, by the way, with a legal precedent in 1960?
00:25:13.000Do you think, I mean, you look, can we get the names here?
00:25:16.000And by the way, there's got to be some legal fund.
00:25:26.000Somebody who's ethical that's not going to do the Avenati thing needs to swoop in and create a legal defense fund for these poor patriots in Michigan that signed a piece of paper.
00:25:38.000And by the way, I'm going to read their names out because they're already public.
00:25:42.000You should pray for these people and whatever has to be done to help them.
00:25:45.000Again, I'm not the legal mastermind here.
00:25:48.000They're doing, and just by the way, the age is significant here.
00:25:53.000These people are probably living on social security and fixed income.
00:25:57.000These are patriots that want a beautiful future for their kids or grandkids.
00:26:01.000And you have this demented jerk from Michigan who says, I want to see you suffer.
00:26:07.000These are bad people running our country.
00:27:24.000They're being dragged out three years after the fact for a Moscow show trial, and these people are going to have to go bankrupt and take up third mortgages on their home.
00:27:32.000And they're 81 years old, and they're going to have to go in front of a grand jury of the state, not a grand jury, but a jury of the state of Michigan and say, no, I'm actually an insurrection.
00:27:41.000They have an unlimited budget in the Michigan state government to punish these people.
00:27:45.000And there is a psychological element besides the Donald Trump one.
00:27:49.000And I'm going to just state the obvious that you're all thinking.
00:27:51.000But if you think you can hide from these people, you're wrong.
00:27:54.000They will come after every single one of us.
00:28:35.000It's not, well, you know, every, you know, that's, Senator, I steal this from Steve Bannon's shtick, and I couldn't stop laughing during our podcast interview.
00:28:44.000And I mean, Tim Scott is a really sweet man, but you know, when Tim Scott says, and it's morning in America, yeah, no, it's not.
00:28:52.000It's like the thick of night with a dense fog, and we have no idea what the hell is going on.
00:30:15.000The Michigan Attorney General wants to give a death sentence to people that sign a piece of paper of which there was an open legal question and a specific legal precedent in 1960.
00:31:05.000Because they want one of those MAGA grannies who's probably facing bankruptcy and has zero financial muscle to quote unquote testify against Donald Trump.
00:31:18.000It's an interstate RICO mob operation where they're going to take one of those people, God bless them, who's going to be afraid to the moon, who's going to see their life savings and their Roth IRA get absolutely obliterated by the unlimited purse of the Michigan government to say, oh, yeah, actually, I got a phone call from the Trump campaign.
00:31:38.000I felt Trump, I felt pressure by Trump, and boom, Jack Smith will have his testimony he needs to put Donald Trump in federal prison for 400 years.