The Charlie Kirk Show - After Wisconsin, What Now? with Tyler Bowyer and Darren Beattie

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00:00:24.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:06.000 Joining us now is Tyler Boyer, Turning Point Action.

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00:01:11.000 Tyler, welcome back.

00:01:12.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:01:14.000 Yesterday was an awful day.

00:01:15.000 Chicago aside, I'm going to cover that later.

00:01:17.000 The arraignment, we did a whole hour on that.

00:01:19.000 But Wisconsin, I mean, we tried to warn people we were on the ground at Turning Point Action.

00:01:23.000 What did the RNC do in Wisconsin?

00:01:26.000 Well, look, I want to make this abundantly clear.

00:01:29.000 Our regional manager that's in Wisconsin is the first vice chair of the Milwaukee GOP.

00:01:34.000 The Milwaukee GOP now has more conservative leadership than it's ever had.

00:01:38.000 And our other representative is the Dane County GOP chair, just barely elected.

00:01:43.000 I mean, these guys got elected just like weeks ago.

00:01:46.000 And so they have eyes on the ground.

00:01:48.000 They have knowledge.

00:01:48.000 They're in the middle of everything, the two largest counties.

00:01:52.000 And the word on the ground is not enough is being done.

00:01:56.000 And we saw and we heard the Democrats have spent tens of millions of dollars in Wisconsin.

00:02:02.000 Well, the question is: well, what are they spending the money on?

00:02:05.000 Well, there's two buckets.

00:02:07.000 Bucket number one is the Democrats are spending money on making sure that they get the TV, right?

00:02:11.000 The TV buys.

00:02:13.000 And then bucket number two is they're getting the GO TV operation, aka the ballot chasing operation, to make sure that their lower propensity voters are getting turned in.

00:02:23.000 So what did the RNC do?

00:02:26.000 Look, I'm not here to speak on behalf of the RNC, but I can just tell you, obviously, with the results that we saw, not enough.

00:02:34.000 And this is the problem that we have right now in the movement that we've been saying over and over and over, that we've been warning about, which is this conversation, which is you can't tell everyone you're going to do the entire job and then not do the job.

00:02:46.000 And so the argument that's being had, they did nothing.

00:02:49.000 Everybody RNC did.

00:02:50.000 The RNC cannot tell people they're going to do it all and then not do it.

00:02:55.000 Yeah, but they didn't do anything.

00:02:57.000 Where was the rallying cry?

00:02:58.000 Where was the unification of the movement?

00:03:00.000 There wasn't a single major person that came from out of state.

00:03:02.000 So the only people that were actually doing work on the ground, rally-wise, notoriety-wise, was Scott Pressler, who with Early Vote Action, who we work with at Turning Point Action.

00:03:13.000 And then our Turning Point Action staff was doing things.

00:03:15.000 Smaller groups that are in the grassroots groups of great patriots were doing things, but there was no national entity help.

00:03:24.000 And the Democrats injected $40, $50 million into the state.

00:03:30.000 And the question is, where did all that money go?

00:03:32.000 Well, Charlie, we estimate they had probably close to 500 full-time people chasing ballots.

00:03:39.000 Yeah, and just in hard money, it was $12 million for the Democrat, $12 million for the Democrat, $2 million for the Republican, $45 million total spent.

00:03:50.000 It was about an eight-to-one advantage, Democrat versus Republican.

00:03:53.000 Now, why does this race matter? 1.00

00:03:55.000 The Wisconsin Supreme Court is now a liberal Supreme Court.

00:03:58.000 It was conservative.

00:03:59.000 By one vote.

00:04:00.000 So now signature verification, drop boxes, early voting periods, ballot custody, chain of custody.

00:04:00.000 Yeah.

00:04:08.000 And so the RNC did nothing.

00:04:10.000 They sent out a couple of tweets.

00:04:12.000 Okay.

00:04:13.000 I don't know what they spend their money on.

00:04:14.000 Now Mark Elias is licking his chops to come in to go do a flurry of lawsuits that the Wisconsin Supreme Court will be willing to be open to.

00:04:24.000 So zucker boxes, mail-in ballots.

00:04:28.000 And this is what the left's figured out, right?

00:04:30.000 Which is like, if we can win races that the Republicans don't care about, right?

00:04:34.000 Which is like Supreme Court races and election board races and county races, right?

00:04:39.000 Which they're not going to fund.

00:04:41.000 Because why?

00:04:42.000 What incentive does Mitch McConnell have to fund these races? 0.96

00:04:45.000 What incentive does the RNC have?

00:04:48.000 I mean, I'll tell you, they'll say, well, that's not our job.

00:04:50.000 I mean, I've heard this time and time again.

00:04:52.000 That's not our job.

00:04:53.000 Well, it is your job if you gobble up all of the money and tell everyone that you're going to take care of these states, that we must win in order to win the presidency.

00:05:01.000 At the end of the day, the numbers are this.

00:05:03.000 And this is why this is so infuriating, Charlie.

00:05:05.000 Yep.

00:05:06.000 We have been saying for a long, long time now, for over a year, you have just overtly, you have three states that matter the most: Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona.

00:05:16.000 The pathway to the presidency goes through these.

00:05:18.000 So if I, and again, this is, this is for everybody, because if I'm Trump or if I'm DeSantis or I'm whoever else, right, I should care about this too.

00:05:26.000 Because if we don't win the Supreme Court race, am I more likely to become president?

00:05:31.000 I don't think they think that way.

00:05:32.000 I know they don't, actually.

00:05:33.000 Well, people aren't telling them that.

00:05:36.000 Talk to them every day.

00:05:37.000 Tell them this is not a mystery.

00:05:38.000 I went, I mean, it's again, we're in total harmony here.

00:05:42.000 I went on Tim Pool's show and I walked through it and I got messages.

00:05:45.000 Wow, I never thought of it that way.

00:05:46.000 Well, you never thought it that way.

00:05:48.000 This is not, it's statistical rules of the game.

00:05:50.000 It's just there's only one way to win the White House, basically, and you're not going to win it through Pennsylvania.

00:05:54.000 It's not going to happen.

00:05:55.000 It's 270 votes to win, right?

00:05:56.000 Electoral votes.

00:05:58.000 Correct.

00:05:58.000 And so Pennsylvania is like, is a John Fetterman state.

00:06:02.000 So if you want to rely on Pennsylvania to like, you know, sail that thing across, it's not going to happen.

00:06:07.000 So you have three states.

00:06:08.000 You have Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia.

00:06:10.000 Wisconsin and Georgia are statistically the most necessary in order to win the presidency.

00:06:16.000 Like 71%, I think.

00:06:18.000 I tweeted it out last year, right?

00:06:20.000 And I retweeted probably about once a month.

00:06:23.000 But this is the problem: if you care about winning those states, you have to provide the resources, the ground game to do it.

00:06:30.000 So if the RNC is going to tell everyone, we've got the ground game.

00:06:33.000 We're the best suited to do the ground game.

00:06:35.000 And then donors at the national level don't give anyone else money to go do the ground game and you lose, then you're not the best of the ground game.

00:06:43.000 So the RNC still raised $25 million last quarter.

00:06:43.000 Yeah.

00:06:46.000 That's low for them, but that means a lot of you probably still have recurring donations.

00:06:51.000 You guys have to go through your credit card statements and cancel your donations to the RNC.

00:06:55.000 It is a waste of money.

00:06:57.000 So they raised $25 million last quarter.

00:06:59.000 How much did they spend on the Wisconsin Supreme Court seat?

00:07:01.000 Yeah, that's TBD.

00:07:03.000 Again, probably nothing.

00:07:06.000 Here's the reality.

00:07:07.000 It doesn't matter how much you spend.

00:07:09.000 They could spend $100 million in a state.

00:07:12.000 And if it's not making sure that we have 50% of the TV buys, look, I'll tell you this.

00:07:17.000 The national GOP has a job, in my opinion.

00:07:19.000 The simple job is this.

00:07:21.000 Make sure that our Republican candidates in the most important elections have 50% of the TV time.

00:07:28.000 That's it.

00:07:28.000 Just start there, right?

00:07:30.000 Guess who's not doing that job?

00:07:31.000 Mitch McConnell's not doing that job.

00:07:33.000 The RNC's job really isn't to buy TV.

00:07:35.000 But if Mitch McConnell's not doing it and the NRSC is not doing it and the NRCC is not doing it, then we're not doing our job at the national level.

00:07:42.000 And the RNC needs to chide these people until that gets done.

00:07:46.000 That's number one.

00:07:47.000 Number two is the ground game.

00:07:48.000 Well, what the Democrats figured out a long time ago, on the totem pole of relevancy, the DNC is way down on the totem pole, right?

00:07:56.000 Because they realize every two years, it's new leadership.

00:07:59.000 And so it's, you can't build, imagine having to, as a corporation, people have run businesses, even small businesses, right?

00:08:06.000 If you had to blow up your entire corporation every two years and start over.

00:08:10.000 That's what we do in the party, whether you're the Democrat Party or the Republican Party or whatever, you know, you have to do that.

00:08:16.000 So, what the Democrats figured out a long time ago, invest into these organizations.

00:08:21.000 They're going to be around for decades.

00:08:22.000 Of course.

00:08:23.000 Yeah.

00:08:23.000 And they did that.

00:08:24.000 So 15 years ago, they started doing that.

00:08:26.000 And guess what?

00:08:27.000 They started winning things and they're like, wow, this is like Moneyball.

00:08:30.000 Have you ever watched the movie Moneyball?

00:08:31.000 Yeah, with Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill.

00:08:33.000 It's statistics.

00:08:35.000 It's like, if I put X amount of dollars here for ballot chasing, ballot harvesting, right?

00:08:41.000 Am I more likely to have the outcome?

00:08:43.000 And there's a lot of people that are listeners right now, I can tell you.

00:08:46.000 Election integrity is number one.

00:08:48.000 But how did they get to the place where they could manipulate election integrity?

00:08:51.000 They won these small races by ballot chasing and making sure that a few ballots, a few thousand ballots got in here and there.

00:08:58.000 And so a lot of people are losing their minds, though, Charlie, right now.

00:09:00.000 There's a lot of people that are out there, a lot of people listening right now who are saying, they can manipulate everything.

00:09:07.000 You can't win.

00:09:08.000 You can't be this.

00:09:09.000 My argument to you is that's not exactly true.

00:09:12.000 Yes, they're manipulating to a certain extent, 100%.

00:09:15.000 But the other side of this is they're not investing $20, $30, $40 million every election to ballot chase for their own health, right?

00:09:24.000 If the Democrats didn't have to invest $20, $30 million into these races, they wouldn't do it.

00:09:29.000 They're doing it because it actually works.

00:09:32.000 If you break down the numbers, look at Wisconsin here.

00:09:35.000 We lost by how many votes?

00:09:37.000 300,000-ish.

00:09:39.000 Well, no, I'm sorry, that's less than that.

00:09:41.000 It's like 200,000.

00:09:42.000 About 200,000 votes.

00:09:43.000 Yeah.

00:09:44.000 10 points, but 200.

00:09:45.000 If you have 500 staff, full-time staff, and I'm giving an average for the rest of the country, but 30 days of early balloting, if each of those staff members is responsible for 10 votes a day, which is legitimate, like it's legitimately possible, you're accruing about 150,000 votes that you normally wouldn't get.

00:10:04.000 So they're a plus 150.

00:10:06.000 We're a minus 150 because we're not doing any of that work.

00:10:08.000 Correct.

00:10:09.000 And that's a 300,000 vote delta.

00:10:11.000 The RNC does none of this.

00:10:12.000 The DC Unit Party does none of this, none of it.

00:10:15.000 And this is a completely foreign concept to them.

00:10:18.000 But they're going to keep begging you for money, everybody, so that they can buy more flowers and buy more donor mementos.

00:10:24.000 We try to do regime change at the RNC.

00:10:26.000 I know so many of you supported us wonderfully.

00:10:27.000 Tyler did a great job.

00:10:28.000 Why did we try to support regime change?

00:10:30.000 Because we knew this was going to happen.

00:10:32.000 I'm not a doomsday guy.

00:10:33.000 I'm not.

00:10:34.000 I'm an optimist as long as we act.

00:10:36.000 But I'll be very honest.

00:10:37.000 Our chance of winning the White House in 2024 has now decreased significantly because the RNC and the Republican Unit Party could not be bothered to engage in Wisconsin.

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00:11:31.000 Oh, Charlie, you're being so unfair.

00:11:33.000 That's not the what is the RNC's role exactly?

00:11:35.000 Why do you raise so much money?

00:11:36.000 Why does all this money go to DC?

00:11:38.000 By the way, they have a headquarters in DC, don't they, Tyler?

00:11:40.000 Yep.

00:11:41.000 Why do they have it?

00:11:42.000 Why does no, somebody asked me the question.

00:11:44.000 I'd love to get a call from the RNC.

00:11:45.000 Please, you guys have my phone number.

00:11:47.000 Why do you have an office in DC?

00:11:48.000 What is the answer?

00:11:49.000 I will tell you this.

00:11:52.000 They actually incorporated in DC last year.

00:11:58.000 And I stood up and asked them why.

00:12:00.000 And I said it would make way more sense to incorporate Florida.

00:12:03.000 But that's a whole other conversation.

00:12:04.000 Why don't you have an office in Wisconsin and Georgia and Arizona?

00:12:07.000 Yeah.

00:12:08.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:12:09.000 That would be helpful.

00:12:10.000 They're not a lobbying organization.

00:12:12.000 That's what Harmeet was saying.

00:12:13.000 They should just be trying to win votes in the swing state.

00:12:15.000 That's what Harmeet was saying.

00:12:16.000 It'd be much better to send $100 million through those three swing states than through D.C.

00:12:21.000 Okay, so that's a side note.

00:12:24.000 They obviously didn't do it.

00:12:25.000 It's not just about the RNC, though, everybody.

00:12:27.000 I mean, we tried our best on this program, but conservative media wouldn't really be bothered.

00:12:32.000 Bannon, to his credit, covered it, right?

00:12:35.000 Pressler, but most of the conservative movement didn't really get into this race.

00:12:39.000 This is why the Democrats are pummeling us, guys, is that they saw blood on the water.

00:12:44.000 Wow, chance to flip the Supreme Court.

00:12:46.000 They spent, they outspent us 10 to 1.

00:12:49.000 Yep.

00:12:49.000 10 to 1.

00:12:50.000 And this isn't unique to Wisconsin.

00:12:52.000 This is Arizona, Georgia.

00:12:54.000 Guess what, guys?

00:12:55.000 Once they've established this in Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia, guess where else they're moving to?

00:13:00.000 Tennessee.

00:13:01.000 Yep.

00:13:02.000 To beyond, I mean, they're in Iowa.

00:13:05.000 They're going to make sure that they get this thing going.

00:13:07.000 Idaho.

00:13:08.000 They got a big Idaho project.

00:13:09.000 What Democrats figured out a long time ago was there's too many X factors that are out there that they can't put their thumb on in places like Ohio and Florida and even Texas, right?

00:13:21.000 So a lot of people are worried about Texas.

00:13:22.000 Those three states are actually more in our direction.

00:13:24.000 They're more in our direction.

00:13:25.000 And they're retreating.

00:13:26.000 Democrats are retreating.

00:13:27.000 Because they can't control the populism, right?

00:13:29.000 They can't control the narrative.

00:13:31.000 And they can't control old patriots in Florida for voting Republicans.

00:13:34.000 But guess what they can't control?

00:13:35.000 They can control a state that has a really weak judicial system, a really weak county system.

00:13:41.000 And a declining population.

00:13:42.000 Very little, low, very low amount of money that's injected into these local races.

00:13:48.000 And so Wisconsin, boom, easy.

00:13:51.000 Arizona was boom, easy.

00:13:53.000 Here in Arizona, so few people spend so much money.

00:13:56.000 It was like, it's such an underfunded state.

00:13:56.000 People don't realize that.

00:13:59.000 Like right now, we're super underfunded.

00:14:02.000 And that's the same thing with Georgia, too.

00:14:05.000 Georgia was in the same place because it was like, we got really complacent.

00:14:09.000 So let's focus on what the left is doing, though.

00:14:12.000 I don't know if we could throw up those images.

00:14:15.000 Yes, which one?

00:14:15.000 Do you want the Annie Oakley one or do you want the other one?

00:14:17.000 Yeah, let's just throw that up real quick.

00:14:18.000 Throw up the Annie Oakley, the tweet. 0.76

00:14:21.000 In Wisconsin, the Democrats are paying people $250 to canvas for them.

00:14:25.000 I've gotten two text messages about it.

00:14:27.000 So let me explain.

00:14:27.000 I'm going to explain the broad base.

00:14:29.000 So just conversation about this.

00:14:29.000 You got two minutes.

00:14:30.000 Get right into it.

00:14:31.000 Because what people don't realize is this, is how Democrats are winning is they're building the infrastructure of ballot harvesting, ballot chasing in the states where they can do it.

00:14:40.000 I sometimes call it ballot tracking, right?

00:14:42.000 They know the votes that are out there.

00:14:44.000 So why have they pushed for mail-in ballots?

00:14:46.000 This is why we all hate mail-in ballots, right?

00:14:48.000 It's because if they flood the system, flood the zone with mail-in ballots, then all they have to do is inject $20, $30, $40 million worth of capital into a state and they can go basically pick up those ballots.

00:14:58.000 Community organizing.

00:14:59.000 It's Obama's. 0.70

00:15:00.000 It's community organizing.

00:15:01.000 We've never invested into that in the Republican Party.

00:15:04.000 So on that tweet that you saw, and there's another image.

00:15:07.000 Yeah, so put up the next one, please. 0.65

00:15:10.000 We need a progressive majority on the Supreme Court.

00:15:12.000 I'll read this.

00:15:13.000 Hi, it's Blank from Wisconsin Takes Action.

00:15:15.000 We're helping elect the progressive majority of the Supreme Court.

00:15:18.000 We're offering an opportunity for you to earn $250 by talking to your friends and family about voting.

00:15:23.000 So basically what the Democrats have done, they've built technology.

00:15:27.000 It's not even, it's not like mind-blowing technology.

00:15:30.000 It's just basic technology to put in the hands of voters, right?

00:15:34.000 So you, if I message you, I say upload all your contacts from your phone, right?

00:15:39.000 And Republicans are less likely to do this, but young liberals are more likely, right?

00:15:44.000 And so they upload all their contacts.

00:15:46.000 And then on that, on that application, you go through and start identifying if they're liberal or they're conservative.

00:15:52.000 Well, why would you do that, Charlie?

00:15:54.000 Well, because then why would you identify as liberal conservative?

00:15:57.000 Then you know who to GO TV and who to contact and who to communicate with.

00:16:01.000 And most young people are now registering as what?

00:16:04.000 Independent or Democrat.

00:16:06.000 Independent or they're like mostly independent.

00:16:08.000 Party not defined, right?

00:16:09.000 Same their religious affiliates.

00:16:10.000 So the Democrats don't know who are more liberal, right?

00:16:13.000 They don't want to go knock on a door and try to collect a ballot for a potential Republican, right?

00:16:17.000 A potential Republican vote.

00:16:19.000 So these votes, you're uploading your contacts, identifying who's more liberal.

00:16:23.000 And then guess what?

00:16:25.000 Knocks on your door.

00:16:26.000 Hey, Charlie just sent me over to come help you turn in your ballot.

00:16:31.000 Oh, he did?

00:16:31.000 Charlie, who?

00:16:32.000 Charlie Kirk, your friend.

00:16:34.000 And they're going, oh, okay, I trust you more.

00:16:37.000 Tell me how to vote.

00:16:38.000 Oh, you'll take my ballot for me?

00:16:39.000 Oh, you'll walk me to my mailbox.

00:16:40.000 You can't touch the ballot in some of these states, but you can.

00:16:43.000 In some states, you can.

00:16:44.000 Yeah, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona.

00:16:46.000 I don't know if you can.

00:16:46.000 But you cannot in Arizona.

00:16:48.000 In Wisconsin, I believe you cannot, but you can walk them to their mailbox.

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00:18:42.000 Tyler, I want to kind of close the loop on this.

00:18:43.000 Let me read an email.

00:18:44.000 Charlie, I never ever write in, big fan though.

00:18:47.000 Here is a novel idea.

00:18:48.000 No use complaining about Rana. 1.00

00:18:50.000 She's a Romney, waste of time. 1.00

00:18:51.000 Let's raise money and tell Rana we want to have it earmarked to hire Tyler for two straight years to straighten this out.

00:18:56.000 He knows it needs to get done.

00:18:58.000 Keep up the great work.

00:18:58.000 Do not use my email, my name in the email.

00:19:01.000 So we're getting a lot of emails on that, but I do want to just compliment where Tyler's at.

00:19:01.000 We didn't.

00:19:06.000 Look, we have a lot going on in the turning point machine.

00:19:08.000 Tyler's dedicating his life and his what's remaining of his young age and his vitality, right?

00:19:16.000 To a largely thankless endeavor, which is this.

00:19:23.000 He's basically, Tyler says, look, turning point action, in harmony with all our turning point initiatives, we're going to become the most sophisticated ballot chasing operation, Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, right?

00:19:36.000 We're going to raise tons of capital.

00:19:37.000 We're going to hire the people, right?

00:19:39.000 Building the first ever conservative ballot chasing army.

00:19:41.000 Yep.

00:19:42.000 It's a thankless endeavor.

00:19:44.000 We already have some donors that are giving money towards it, right?

00:19:47.000 We had one donor give a million bucks, which is great and helps getting there.

00:19:50.000 By the way, this is not a guaranteed victory.

00:19:53.000 This is the only way we can get close to victory.

00:19:55.000 Do you agree with that, Tyler?

00:19:56.000 I mean, let's just explain this again.

00:19:58.000 This is part of the problem, right?

00:20:00.000 So, there's going to be, there's been a lot of people who have made promises to do things that are going to win elections.

00:20:06.000 At the end of the day, we now know what wins elections for Democrats.

00:20:09.000 One is manipulating the elections, which they can only do if they take over your boards, your judiciary, right?

00:20:16.000 Which is what they just did in Wisconsin.

00:20:18.000 Once you're past that, your only viable option for success is putting eyes on the field and everywhere you can.

00:20:25.000 So, a lot of people are like, well, what's election integrity?

00:20:28.000 Election integrity looks a lot like for us is if we had a thousand people on the ground in Arizona who could put eyes on these houses that they're trying to use to manipulate.

00:20:28.000 Well, you know what?

00:20:38.000 So, but you're saying volunteers are not necessarily enough.

00:20:42.000 Volunteers are, we're ahead of the game.

00:20:45.000 We're almost winning elections as the Republican Party and conservatives in a lot of places with better candidates than we've ever had in some places, right?

00:20:52.000 Like in Arizona, we had better candidates that were more ideologically centered than anyone that we've ever had before.

00:20:58.000 Now, the problem is, is that we don't have the ground troops in the army.

00:21:01.000 Our volunteers are not enough.

00:21:03.000 The Democrats pay full-time people $60,000 a year to go out and get these ballots.

00:21:09.000 Now, the question is, how do you build that?

00:21:12.000 Who can build that?

00:21:13.000 Well, there's, you know, again, this is where we fill the mantle, right?

00:21:16.000 Turning point is the only ecosystem that probably can recruit enough people full-time to do this work.

00:21:24.000 It's a lot of young people, a lot of retirees, right? 0.88

00:21:27.000 A lot of our retirees, unfortunately, have not culturally understood what we're talking about, right?

00:21:32.000 So their mindframe is in a different mindset.

00:21:35.000 So it's retraining activism in the conservative movement.

00:21:38.000 Changing the muscle memory.

00:21:39.000 Well, and that's hard to do for a lot of our senior activists, right?

00:21:45.000 And they're doing a great job too.

00:21:46.000 They're carrying the party.

00:21:47.000 Make no mistake.

00:21:48.000 Our baby boomers are carrying the party in a lot of these states.

00:21:51.000 It's these young people now that we have to train, make sure that we train out of the gate to have this mindset of like, we've got to compete with Democrats on the ground now and teach them properly so we can actually win these elections.

00:22:02.000 And it's super precise.

00:22:04.000 Look, I mean, I could tell you right now.

00:22:05.000 It's numbers.

00:22:06.000 Yeah, I'm doing everything I can to raise capital for this effort.

00:22:09.000 And we're not here to even ask you guys for money.

00:22:11.000 If you want to give, it's tpaction.com.

00:22:12.000 That's not what we're doing this.

00:22:13.000 Okay.

00:22:14.000 You guys are getting asked by enough money.

00:22:15.000 But if you feel compelled to do it, so be it.

00:22:17.000 The bigger picture, though, is: are we going to continue to do the thing that is making us fall short?

00:22:24.000 Or are we going to actually engage in the same sort of arena that the Democrats are?

00:22:29.000 Because right now, what we are doing is not working.

00:22:33.000 It is a failed strategy by the RNC and by all these different Republican DC groups.

00:22:40.000 So Tyler, just for a second here, can you just build out why it's the RNC will almost never do this despite them saying they do it?

00:22:48.000 It's against the fiber of the RNC to actually do grassroots work, isn't it?

00:22:52.000 It's just impossible, right?

00:22:53.000 Because again, the RNC only operates basically on a two-year cycle here, right?

00:22:59.000 So Rana is only in for two years at a time.

00:23:02.000 So what does that mean?

00:23:03.000 If you replace the RNC chair every two years, that means all your staff overturns every two years.

00:23:07.000 Well, how long does it?

00:23:08.000 I'm just, I'm just walking you through it.

00:23:09.000 How long does it take to hire someone?

00:23:11.000 It takes months to hire someone into a senior level position.

00:23:14.000 So if you become the RNC chair in January, it takes you months to organize your, and this is, this is not, I'm not giving Rana a pass because she's been in for six plus years.

00:23:23.000 So she should already have all this organized, right?

00:23:25.000 But like it takes you months and months to organize this.

00:23:28.000 So now you're only a year out from the election.

00:23:31.000 Well, if you're only a year out from the election, you have no time then you've got to build all this.

00:23:35.000 And if you're out fundraising, you have to raise the money to spend the money.

00:23:39.000 There's not enough time in the two years.

00:23:42.000 So what has the left figured out?

00:23:43.000 They figured out that's a bad model.

00:23:47.000 We have to subjugate the Democrat Party to these other outside groups who will build all these things. 0.98

00:23:55.000 Democracy Alliance, Arabella Advisors. 0.91

00:23:59.000 And Arabella will make sure they get funded when Democracy Advisors say this is what we need in this key state.

00:24:04.000 Soros, Bezos, McKenzie, Palja, Lorene Paljobs, I'm sorry, Mackenzie Bezos, Reid Hoffman. 1.00

00:24:10.000 They're writing blanket shit. 0.99

00:24:11.000 But they do it in harmony, right? 1.00

00:24:12.000 So there's kind of a Democrat war council of these billionaire oligarchs that bundle their money and pool it together and they have accountability.

00:24:20.000 And so they'll go fund, you know, progressive door-knocking organization A, Wisconsin, and it's accountable and they can give unlimited, whereas to the DNC, you only can give up to $800,000.

00:24:33.000 And it's statistical.

00:24:34.000 They're tracking everything.

00:24:35.000 And then guess what?

00:24:36.000 When the screw-up DNC chair gets kicked out, that organization still exists.

00:24:42.000 That's still doing the job because they're not relying on the DNC to have to figure it out every two years.

00:24:47.000 Yep.

00:24:47.000 That's how they used to operate.

00:24:49.000 And they realized that's a stupid model. 1.00

00:24:51.000 That's right. 1.00

00:24:52.000 And so now with us, like if you look at this, the Wisconsin gubernatorial race, Tim Michaels lost by 90,000 votes.

00:24:58.000 Yeah.

00:24:59.000 Do you know how many full-time knockers that is for us with going out and knocking to Chase ballots?

00:25:06.000 I mean, we're talking less than a couple hundred full-time employees, right?

00:25:11.000 That's right.

00:25:12.000 And so, look, it's an ambitious project.

00:25:14.000 This is the only way anybody who tells you differently, and I just want to close with this: we are not pessimists, we're not doomsdayers, we're not apocalypse people.

00:25:22.000 But if things continue as they are with this Wisconsin news, I don't care how big the rallies are, I don't care how popular Trump is, we will fall short.

00:25:31.000 We got to know that and do something so that we can win.

00:25:35.000 Tyler, thank you so much.

00:25:36.000 TPaction.com over time.

00:25:38.000 I think it was important.

00:25:39.000 Joining us now is Darren Beattie from Revolver.news.

00:25:42.000 I encourage you guys to check it out.

00:25:43.000 Darren, how's it going?

00:25:45.000 Excellent.

00:25:46.000 Great to be here as always.

00:25:48.000 So, Darren, several topics and stories.

00:25:49.000 What is your initial reaction to the crossing of the Rubicon, the arraignment of Trump?

00:25:54.000 Your thoughts?

00:25:56.000 Well, it's incredibly significant for obvious reasons.

00:26:00.000 I think, however surprising it might be and however powerfully it represents this new phase of dystopia that we're in, I think it is important to point out that it was always kind of in the works.

00:26:15.000 I think of it as an inevitable result, inevitable culmination of the energies unleashed in 2016 when Trump ran against the coordinated opposition of every single powerful institution in the country, and he won and he humiliated the regime in doing so.

00:26:38.000 And ever since then, there's been this phenomenon of Trump derangement syndrome.

00:26:44.000 It defies any attempt at kind of strategic discipline.

00:26:50.000 Many people rightly point out that this helps Trump politically.

00:26:54.000 That's not really even relevant to this.

00:26:58.000 It's not about any kind of strategy.

00:27:01.000 It's about giving vent to giving a tangible expression to this underlying emotional response, this hysteria, this term used in another context.

00:27:17.000 It's a kind of mass psychosis event.

00:27:20.000 And this is, if not a culmination, clearly a dramatic and critical inflection point in this whole process of the regime doing everything that it could possibly think of to silence, suppress, neutralize, ultimately destroy not only Donald Trump, but the energies associated with his movement and his victory in 2016.

00:27:48.000 Well, therefore, how should we respond, Darren?

00:27:50.000 What is the way that our movement should respond to this?

00:27:53.000 Well, I mean, that's a very big and important question that lends itself to a lot of kind of easy and fake answers, easy and potentially satisfying and fake answers, but it really evades any real and meaningful answer, at least in the short term.

00:28:21.000 I mean, we're in a very weaponized environment.

00:28:24.000 We've moved from deplatforming in the sense of the regime taking people off of social media for opinions they don't like or getting them kicked out of their bank accounts so they're not able to earn a livelihood by expressing opinions the regime doesn't like.

00:28:45.000 We moved into the next stage of deplatforming through the criminal justice process, through the weaponization of the Department of Justice, putting people in prison.

00:28:55.000 That's the next stage of deplatforming.

00:28:58.000 You don't just see hints of it with this unprecedented indictment of a former president and current frontrunner for president for the nomination of the GOP.

00:29:08.000 You see it in things like what happened with the case we've talked about from the very beginning, the case of Doug Mackey, who unfortunately was not only indicted for memes against Hillary Clinton, he was subject to a felony conviction.

00:29:28.000 No, we actually haven't updated our audience on that.

00:29:31.000 Douglas Mackey, a young man who created memes and some jokes in the 2016 election, has now been convicted and faces, what, a decade, decade and a half in prison, Darren?

00:29:43.000 10 years.

00:29:43.000 10 years?

00:29:43.000 10 years of making memes.

00:29:45.000 And 10 years for making memes.

00:29:49.000 In some ways, this is an argument I've not heard people make, is that they were building towards the Trump indictment for quite a while, raiding O'Keefe, raiding Giuliani, Bannon, then they're going Michael Flynn all the way up, and then they crossed to Trump.

00:30:10.000 This has been building.

00:30:11.000 Douglas Mackey, the case, it's one of the most outrageous convictions.

00:30:15.000 He made a meme in 2016.

00:30:18.000 This young man, this Trump supporter, in a Soviet-style show trial, faces a decade in prison.

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00:31:19.000 Darren Beattie tweets, quote, breaking senior Biden State Department officials boldly protest political weaponization of Justice Department condemns a, quote, escalating pattern of arrests against perceived critics of the government.

00:31:32.000 Oh, wait, never mind.

00:31:33.000 That was Biden talking about Tunisia, Darren.

00:31:37.000 Indeed, indeed.

00:31:38.000 You know, it's all part of this banana republic reference.

00:31:41.000 And what's really hilarious, darkly ironic, at least, about the whole thing is that Imprisoning political opposition is not simply something that we associate with the quote-unquote third world.

00:31:56.000 It's something that our State Department and diplomatic force routinely condemns when it's practiced in other countries.

00:32:06.000 And one of the recent pieces on Revolver News is sort of a compilation of various high-profile, semi-high-profile cases of the U.S. government, Biden officials, State Department officials condemning foreign nations for imprisoning political opposition.

00:32:27.000 So, one example was Tunisia.

00:32:29.000 There are a bunch of other examples, but it's funny, there's a twist at the end of the article, which I'll give away because still there's a lot of great content in it.

00:32:37.000 The twist is when Zelensky penalized and imprisoned his political opposition, the U.S. State Department actually called it an encouraging step toward democracy.

00:32:51.000 So, I guess with Ukraine and with the United States, it all gets down to the who-whom question.

00:32:59.000 That's really what determines everything else, whether it's an expression of democracy or whether it's a dangerous trend toward what they call democratic backsliding.

00:33:10.000 All depends on whether the U.S. regime and the corrupt officials in it approve of the person doing it or not.

00:33:19.000 And in the case of poor Douglas Mackey, the Biden regime does not approve.

00:33:24.000 And in the case of Donald Trump, who has challenged and humiliated the system more than anyone else, perhaps in American history, this system most emphatically does not approve.

00:33:37.000 And so, this is what you get.

00:33:39.000 This is the phase we're in.

00:33:41.000 We've moved from the deplatforming phase of shutting people up to shutting people down by putting them in prison.

00:33:48.000 If Nicaragua arrested a former president, a leading broadcaster, humorist, and satirist, and raided the home of an investigated reporter, we would have UN hearings and potential sanctions against Nicaragua.

00:34:04.000 When our government has Steve Bannon, leading broadcaster, investigative reporter, James O'Keefe, the former president, President Trump, and humorist and satirist, Douglas Mackey, all under criminal indictment and conviction, we're told it's democracy.

00:34:21.000 If this was happening in another country, we would potentially mobilize the Central Intelligence Agency and tell them that this is undemocratic, and yet it's happening right here.

00:34:32.000 Of course, unless it was Ukraine. 0.95

00:34:34.000 If it was Ukraine, then we'll see. 0.96

00:34:35.000 Indeed, yeah, there are exceptions.

00:34:38.000 There are exceptions, but absolutely so.

00:34:42.000 As always, it's the insult added to the injury.

00:34:46.000 The underlying injury is the complete erosion of democratic norms, complete evaporation of any of the principles of liberty originally envisaged by our founders.

00:34:59.000 But the injury, the insult added to that injury is the enduring and in this case, manifestly ridiculous hypocrisy whereby we, at least, our elected representatives and key government officials still dare to look themselves in the mirror and say they represent a free country.

00:35:23.000 It's a total farce.

00:35:24.000 It's a dangerous trajectory.

00:35:27.000 And we've crossed the Rubicon.

00:35:30.000 There's no going back.

00:35:31.000 We've crossed the Rubicon and we've stepped into the gulag.

00:35:35.000 I think we should all read Sol Shenitsyn and Darkness at Noon by Arthur Kessler and a little Kafka if you're looking for a compass.

00:35:42.000 Darren, thank you so much.

00:35:44.000 Thank you.

00:35:47.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:48.000 Email us your thoughts as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:51.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

00:35:57.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 06, 2023

After Wisconsin, What Now? with Tyler Bowyer and Darren Beattie

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