The Charlie Kirk Show - Alex Berenson and Daniel Horowitz Sound OFF on Twitter Bans, Vaccines, and the Mysterious Rise in All Cause Mortality

00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Daniel Horowitz and Alex Berenson in a beast of an episode.

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00:01:25.000 I've told you many times that one of the great patriots in the last couple of years has been Daniel Horowitz.

00:01:34.000 Now, there's been so much destruction that has come out of COVID.

00:01:40.000 We've destroyed our currency.

00:01:41.000 The borders are wide open.

00:01:43.000 Most suicidal, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted generation. 0.80

00:01:47.000 But one of the positives is that COVID showed me who was real and who was a pretender. 0.99

00:01:54.000 I got to see very clearly who was wise and who was a fool.

00:01:59.000 And someone who passed that test and, in fact, went to the top of the list and has had some of the most insightful and brilliant commentary is Daniel Horowitz.

00:02:10.000 And he just got kicked off Twitter, which it was just a matter of time.

00:02:14.000 Daniel, welcome back to the program.

00:02:16.000 Hey, great to be with you.

00:02:18.000 Our enemies will always tell us who and what they fear.

00:02:21.000 That's exactly right.

00:02:22.000 So you got kicked off Twitter for doing what exactly?

00:02:27.000 For saying that there's negative efficacy to the shots after every country's data shows that the more you inject, the more you infect.

00:02:36.000 But that is the issue they're really clamping down on.

00:02:40.000 If you look recently, they've kicked off all of the people.

00:02:43.000 You could kind of like rail against, you know, fighting for freedom or something.

00:02:49.000 But when you expose what Pfizer has done and things like that, that is a no-fly zone.

00:02:56.000 That is the thing we've noticed everyone that has devastating information on the fraudulent trials, on the negative efficacy, and most importantly, on the injuries.

00:03:08.000 That is totally a no-fly zone.

00:03:11.000 You are not, those people do not exist.

00:03:15.000 They do not exist.

00:03:16.000 You can't recognize it.

00:03:17.000 You're not allowed to treat it.

00:03:19.000 You're not allowed to diagnose it.

00:03:22.000 This is open now in the media now.

00:03:23.000 In Australia, there was a big star there, pop star, said five doctors told him they will not diagnose it as such, but they know it is a vaccine injury, this paralysis he had because they can't.

00:03:36.000 They'll have their license taken away.

00:03:39.000 This is, you know, what Pedro Gonzalez is talking about.

00:03:42.000 He always talks about very articulately.

00:03:45.000 We're living in unrestricted warfare where we are run by ideology.

00:03:51.000 And it's not just the economy. 1.00

00:03:52.000 Okay, that's stupid. 1.00

00:03:54.000 Are we really going to do that for your ideology? 1.00

00:03:56.000 No, it's worse than that.

00:03:58.000 It goes up until including life and death issues, your body, everything will go.

00:04:04.000 Um, Charlie, let me give you a kind of in the weeds insight on COVID, what's going on now, but it's not just COVID, it's emblematic of everything.

00:04:12.000 And I think your audience will really appreciate this.

00:04:15.000 So, last year, we had this remarkable phenomenon, the first time in history, where doctors weren't allowed to practice medicine.

00:04:22.000 So, you had to join the hero doctors of not treating people in respiratory distress from the bioweapon our government seems to have created.

00:04:31.000 Um, you're not allowed to treat them, okay?

00:04:33.000 So, so pharmacies were saying, Hey, well, COVID's new, there's no approved treatment, so you're not allowed to treat it.

00:04:40.000 So, certainly, it was ivermectin, hydroxychloropin, but also really antibiotics, steroids, um, negative levels.

00:04:47.000 Yeah, yeah, and by the way, that's that's another thing they're they're starting to attack vitamin D too now, and they're they're grooming people with these stories about people overdosing on vitamin D.

00:04:58.000 It's very interesting what's going on.

00:04:59.000 I saw one this morning, one of our listeners said, Charlie, you always push vitamin D. What do you think of this story of this guy that almost died?

00:05:05.000 I said, Yeah, he took 80 times the amount that you should take.

00:05:10.000 And if you read the article, yeah, if you take 80 times of anything, you're gonna go to the Charlie.

00:05:16.000 They recommend 600, which is insane.

00:05:18.000 People are deficient.

00:05:20.000 You know, most of these doctors seem to recommend about 5,000 a day.

00:05:24.000 You know, you get your levels tested.

00:05:26.000 This guy took 150,000 every single day.

00:05:30.000 And by the way, even then, every everything, even the safest things, have a ceiling and a floor for effective dose for a floor and ceiling for toxicity.

00:05:38.000 But, but even that, it was nausea, vomiting.

00:05:41.000 It wasn't like paralysis, Guillain Beret, myocarditis.

00:05:46.000 And by the way, they flushed it out of his system with intravenous therapy after a couple of days.

00:05:52.000 And he then died.

00:05:52.000 Nothing like Maddie DeGary, who was on my podcast, and her, she's she has to eat from a feeding tube.

00:06:00.000 She's paralyzed and neurological damage, everything.

00:06:05.000 To this day, it is not recorded in the Pfizer 12 to 15 trial.

00:06:08.000 She was a trial participant.

00:06:11.000 So that's all okay. 0.96

00:06:12.000 But anyway, so pharmacists could say, screw you, we're not dispensing it, illegally practicing medicine. 0.98

00:06:19.000 Fast forward to yesterday. 0.89

00:06:23.000 Think about this: doctors can prescribe the safest, longest-standing drugs.

00:06:27.000 You might think it doesn't work.

00:06:28.000 That's fine.

00:06:29.000 No one could doubt they're safe.

00:06:32.000 Yesterday, the FDA announces that pharmacists could unilaterally prescribe Pfizer's Paxlovid, even though it's novel, it's emergency use, it's mixed with rotonavir, an age drug that has 33 categories of contraindications, including statins and steroids, and things that every senior is going to be on, almost every senior.

00:06:56.000 It gives you a metal mouth, metal metallic feeling in your mouth.

00:06:59.000 Look it up, guys, a Paxlovid mouth. 0.67

00:07:03.000 And then it has this rebound that makes the symptoms worse.

00:07:06.000 And by the way, Charlie, it's been 25 days since what's his name, Fauci was diagnosed.

00:07:13.000 And we haven't heard much from him ever since he said the symptoms got worse after Paxlovid.

00:07:18.000 So someone might need to find out where's Waldo at this point, but he's awfully quiet.

00:07:23.000 I hope everything is all right there.

00:07:25.000 But the point is, that is, if you're going to start with pharmacists prescribing, you would start with something like an ivermectin that really should be over the counter.

00:07:35.000 They're starting with a heavy-duty, novel experimental drug that already is showing problems, no long-term safety.

00:07:42.000 What am I trying to show you?

00:07:45.000 If something is viewed as the spirit of the age, Is it's the BLM. 0.53

00:07:52.000 It's the rainbow flag.

00:07:54.000 It's Ukraine.

00:07:55.000 It's COVID fascism.

00:07:57.000 It's the vaccine.

00:07:57.000 It's Pax Lovid.

00:07:58.000 It's Pfizer's product.

00:08:00.000 Anything and everything goes, medical norms, social norms, human rights, laws, done.

00:08:06.000 If you are something that's perceived as a threat to the spirit of the age, of that ideology, so it could be other prescriptions that are off-label, you could break every law and medical norm to block it.

00:08:20.000 That is where we're at now.

00:08:23.000 It's not unique to COVID, but it's the most devastating because it's life and death.

00:08:28.000 So there's this massive push to continue to vaccinate children.

00:08:33.000 Even the Wall Street Journal has come out and said, hold on a second.

00:08:36.000 What is this all about?

00:08:38.000 Where do we stand with that?

00:08:39.000 And can you talk about how these pharmaceutical companies need to get it on the childhood vaccination schedule to get immunity from lawsuits?

00:08:48.000 It's not even about vaccinating kids.

00:08:50.000 It's about immunity protection because when the emergency use authorization expires, they could be standing up a creek without a paddle.

00:09:00.000 This is what they want.

00:09:01.000 You get them when they're young, so then it's automatically on the childhood schedule.

00:09:05.000 So done.

00:09:06.000 So it's included in the 72 other shots that they get.

00:09:09.000 You know, at some point, those little legs, there won't be enough band-aids to put in put on in one visit. 1.00

00:09:15.000 And that's all okay, by the way, Charles.

00:09:17.000 There's nothing to see there.

00:09:18.000 There's never an amendment.

00:09:19.000 You just slap the nomenclature vaccine on, and it's awesome.

00:09:24.000 There's never any problems, and you're not allowed to look at it.

00:09:26.000 And you're not allowed to ask questions either, by the way, right?

00:09:28.000 When I got my physical recently, I just was asking my physical recently.

00:09:32.000 I was like, hey, by the way, why do kids need a chickenpox vaccine?

00:09:36.000 Oh, because the science tells us that.

00:09:39.000 I said, what science exactly?

00:09:41.000 I had chickenpox and we were all when I was a kid.

00:09:43.000 I said, what's the aluminum content in the chickenpox vaccine?

00:09:47.000 Like, I'm not anti-vax.

00:09:47.000 I'm just interested.

00:09:48.000 I'm just interested.

00:09:50.000 They said, oh, no, you know, we don't entertain this kind of conversation.

00:09:54.000 I don't entertain that.

00:09:55.000 I said, oh, okay.

00:09:55.000 That's, you don't entertain questions.

00:09:57.000 That's good.

00:09:57.000 Yeah.

00:09:58.000 At some point, facts have to matter.

00:10:00.000 Elaborate on that point.

00:10:01.000 You're talking about facts matter.

00:10:02.000 We have to follow the truth no matter where it leads us.

00:10:05.000 Daniel Horowitz, elaborate on that.

00:10:07.000 Sure.

00:10:08.000 I'm speaking to Republicans.

00:10:09.000 Democrats, obviously, they're part of the genocide.

00:10:12.000 The problem with Republicans is this: facts, they're impervious to facts as much as the Democrats are because they set up this image that they want to evince to the public.

00:10:22.000 This is the nice Goldilocks thing.

00:10:24.000 I oppose mandates, but I love anything called a vaccine.

00:10:28.000 And that's where they are right now.

00:10:31.000 And obviously, as you all know, when you're doing that, you're not effectively opposing the mandates either.

00:10:36.000 Hence, we still have the military mandates and the worst things, kidney transplants being denied, and they're not doing anything about it.

00:10:43.000 But the problem with that is, I said, I said, you'll be made to care.

00:10:46.000 At some point, you can allow anti-vax to become the new racism.

00:10:52.000 At some point, it has to matter.

00:10:54.000 Thomas Sowell used to say this on illegal immigration.

00:10:57.000 People would be like, I'm pro-immigrant.

00:11:00.000 And he's like, I'm pro-shoes.

00:11:02.000 He wrote a column like six, seven years ago, the abstract immigrant.

00:11:06.000 You know, well, the details matter.

00:11:07.000 I mean, okay, like, I love vaccines.

00:11:10.000 Okay, but this one has over a million adverse events reported to various over 30,000 deaths, over 200,000 hospitalizations, and over 14,000 categories of maladies.

00:11:23.000 And we know it's woefully underreported because it's so impossible to fill it out.

00:11:26.000 So it's like, dude, we kind of got a problem here.

00:11:29.000 And then they say, now we're going to introduce it on babies.

00:11:31.000 And I thought, okay, that's, they're going to rebel.

00:11:33.000 And there was no one home.

00:11:34.000 It was one governor, the Florida governor, opposed it.

00:11:37.000 Every other one promotes it.

00:11:39.000 And in the Senate, it was Ron John and maybe Rand Paul, and that was it.

00:11:43.000 And it's like, dude, they're not done.

00:11:45.000 The New York mayor was saying he's going to force more vaccines on the kids in the falls.

00:11:49.000 You're going to have to engage on this.

00:11:52.000 You can't hide behind this image.

00:11:56.000 I don't want to be anti-vax.

00:11:58.000 If that's going to disarm us, what they want is they want the pharmaceutical money, Daniel.

00:12:02.000 You know that.

00:12:03.000 I mean, that's a capital flow, the likes of which those $5,400 contributions come in every year from Pfizer, Astra, Zeneka, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson.

00:12:12.000 And they also think of it as a slur.

00:12:14.000 It's like, and by the way, no one here is anti-vax.

00:12:16.000 We're asking questions, right?

00:12:18.000 Are you anti-chemotherapy, Charlie?

00:12:20.000 It's like, are you anti-steroids?

00:12:22.000 It's like, well, what?

00:12:24.000 For whom?

00:12:24.000 How much?

00:12:25.000 That's what circumstances.

00:12:26.000 Yeah, under what precisely.

00:12:27.000 And by the way, this is also a vaccine unlike any other.

00:12:30.000 It's a gene-altering.

00:12:32.000 Yes.

00:12:32.000 Can you talk just briefly about that, Daniel?

00:12:34.000 I wish we had more time, but the technology of it is not like the vaccine for polio that people might.

00:12:40.000 It creates an uncontrolled spike, which is the gain of function bioweapon to go in an unlimited, unknown number of places in your body for an unlimited, unknown period of time.

00:12:50.000 And it causes so many maladies.

00:12:54.000 It's not novel and experimental anymore.

00:12:56.000 In fact, we have conclusive, there's over a thousand, over a thousand studies in academic literature talking about injuries.

00:13:04.000 And you see it.

00:13:05.000 You can't miss it.

00:13:06.000 You see the excess non-COVID mortality.

00:13:09.000 At some point, you got to pay attention.

00:13:11.000 And then that would be bad enough if it worked, but it creates viral immune escape because it's suboptimal, leaky antibodies that are antiquated.

00:13:19.000 I mean, they're still using the Wuan version on kids. 0.84

00:13:23.000 It's just unreal, but nothing matters.

00:13:26.000 They say it openly.

00:13:27.000 They're not doing clinical trials anymore.

00:13:29.000 They're not doing control groups anymore.

00:13:30.000 They didn't do it with this one.

00:13:32.000 They did what's called immuno-bridging, comparing it to antibody levels.

00:13:36.000 They didn't have a control group.

00:13:37.000 And that's all, it's all good.

00:13:39.000 It's all good.

00:13:41.000 I will say this: if you're a Republican that waxes poetic about babies and being pro-life, if you're not fighting back against this, you are not pro-life.

00:13:50.000 Medical freedom is the new pro-life.

00:13:52.000 Pfizer is the new Planned Parenthood, right?

00:13:55.000 Let me just say this.

00:13:56.000 And I think your audience is mature and smart enough to understand what I'm driving at.

00:14:00.000 I'm obviously against abortion, but at the end of the day, no one's forcing me to get one.

00:14:06.000 And I don't know anyone in my circles who goes and gets one.

00:14:09.000 I could live a life and whatever.

00:14:10.000 I mean, it's something that's immoral.

00:14:12.000 We should fight it.

00:14:13.000 But this is a forced abortion. 1.00

00:14:15.000 And now we're seeing with the issues with stillbirths and dropping birth rates in so many countries coinciding right up with the vaccine takeup.

00:14:25.000 You can't avoid this.

00:14:26.000 If you're in the military, you can't avoid this.

00:14:28.000 Okay, that's not okay.

00:14:31.000 I will say this, and I know it's provocative in conservative circles.

00:14:35.000 Everyone's on cloud nine from the Dobbs opinion, but at the same time, we only had three votes to deal with the vaccine mandates, right?

00:14:45.000 We just lost one last week.

00:14:47.000 New York forcing all healthcare workers, no matter what, no matter how, to get it.

00:14:52.000 And we just have Gorsuch Leo and Thomas.

00:14:56.000 If you put a gun to my head and say you get one win, the vax mandates or Dobbs, I know I'm the only one on the right who will say this, but I cannot understand anyone thinking elsewhere.

00:15:06.000 I would take the vaccine mandates because that is mandatory.

00:15:10.000 You can't escape it.

00:15:11.000 Wow.

00:15:12.000 That's a that's I don't know if I agree.

00:15:14.000 I don't know if I agree, but I'll think about that.

00:15:16.000 Unfortunately, we're out of time.

00:15:17.000 It's a forced abortion. 1.00

00:15:18.000 I will have to think about it.

00:15:20.000 I see the point.

00:15:21.000 I don't agree with it, but that's interesting.

00:15:23.000 Daniel Horowitz, brilliant as always.

00:15:25.000 Thank you for your courageous commentary.

00:15:27.000 God bless you, man.

00:15:28.000 Thank you.

00:15:28.000 Take care.

00:15:29.000 God bless. 0.90

00:15:32.000 Every day I report the ludicrous and insane stuff the left is doing to our country and to our children. 0.96

00:15:37.000 Drag queen story hours, underage and irreversible sex changes, even grooming in public schools. 0.93

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00:15:48.000 But I'm thrilled to report that my friend Terry Schilling has created a grassroots army that is taking action to finally push back on this stuff.

00:15:55.000 I've got to know Terry really well.

00:15:56.000 I spent a whole week with him last year in the Claremont Fellows.

00:15:59.000 He's incredible.

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00:16:23.000 So with us right now is Alex Berenson.

00:16:26.000 I want to go into a lot of different topics with Alex, including the drama of his Twitter ban and reinstatement and suspension and lawsuit.

00:16:34.000 I can't wait to hear, can't wait to hear about that.

00:16:36.000 Alex, welcome back to the program.

00:16:38.000 Just talk to you because I think I did just talk to you.

00:16:41.000 Yes.

00:16:42.000 So Alex, welcome back to the program.

00:16:43.000 And so tell us about what is the latest with your Twitter ban and reinstatement and the lawsuit.

00:16:50.000 So, I mean, the latest is that I'm back on.

00:16:53.000 I was reinstated yesterday.

00:16:55.000 The laws of Twitter and I reached a settlement.

00:16:58.000 The terms are confidential, but they did acknowledge that they shouldn't have flagged my tweets and me for removal last year.

00:17:10.000 And there's this other question.

00:17:14.000 I can't remember if we talked about it or not last week, but this issue around whether or not I'm going to be able to pursue sort of these bigger issues about Twitter's relationship with the federal government and third parties, which in the lawsuit, I was given some discovery rights, meaning I was going to see Twitter's documents about me and the conversations they had.

00:17:36.000 And I had said publicly that I wouldn't settle the lawsuit without getting those rights retained and the right to publish what I found.

00:17:45.000 And now I've settled the lawsuit.

00:17:46.000 So I can't talk specifically about the settlement, but I would say I hope and expect that pretty soon people will be able to find out whether I kept my word on that.

00:17:57.000 So I'm back on.

00:17:58.000 And I'm picking up a couple thousand followers an hour.

00:18:01.000 It's kind of funny.

00:18:03.000 Yeah.

00:18:03.000 And so you say here, though, that just reading your Twitter thread, the significance is that this must apply to everybody if they were kicked off of Twitter due to the five-strike policy.

00:18:16.000 Can you build that out for me?

00:18:18.000 Sure.

00:18:18.000 So listen, I mean, this is an interpretation.

00:18:21.000 Twitter and its lawyers are going to have their own interpretation, which is probably that this is totally wrong.

00:18:25.000 But here's what's so important about the settlement and the case.

00:18:30.000 So these cases, these cases, these ban cases, typically in the last several years, have not even survived a motion to dismiss, which is the most basic level of the lawsuit.

00:18:45.000 In other words, the motion to dismiss doesn't mean that the judge thinks you're going to win.

00:18:49.000 He just thinks that you're going to have some kind of claim that, you know, that a jury should hear or that should move forward into discovery.

00:18:56.000 Okay.

00:18:56.000 And what Twitter and Facebook and YouTube and Instagram and everybody has said is we have the complete right to run our platform as we see fit.

00:19:06.000 And that means tossing users. 0.91

00:19:07.000 And there's a law called Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act that basically has been interpreted as providing them this protection.

00:19:16.000 Now, we can argue as to whether or not it's been interpreted correctly, but that's really been the law of the land.

00:19:22.000 It's been pretty settled, and the Supreme Court has not looked at it.

00:19:25.000 So in the Ninth Circuit, which is California, which is where all these companies are based, if you bring a lawsuit and where they insist that you sue them, if you bring a lawsuit, people generally don't even survive the motion to dismiss.

00:19:36.000 And people have said, people, all these lefty legal analysts on Twitter and elsewhere, and all these journalists who thought they knew, they said, oh, Berenson's going to get tossed like everybody else.

00:19:47.000 So here's what happened.

00:19:48.000 A judge looked and he said, well, there's two issues here.

00:19:52.000 One is that Berenson has these communications with a Twitter executive in which I talked to this guy.

00:19:59.000 And actually, he contacted me.

00:20:01.000 I mean, it's all in the lawsuit, the back and forth.

00:20:04.000 And he said, we know what you're doing.

00:20:06.000 You know, we welcome debate around COVID.

00:20:08.000 This was before the vaccines.

00:20:10.000 The vaccines changed Twitter's stance on this.

00:20:12.000 But, you know, we think there should be robust debate.

00:20:16.000 And I said, you know, I'm not going to, you know, I don't want to encourage people to break the law.

00:20:19.000 I just think, you know, there's issues around lockdowns and everything else.

00:20:23.000 Okay.

00:20:23.000 But there's a second part, which is that Twitter on its own has gone way past just saying we can ban you if we like.

00:20:32.000 They've set up all these rules, rules about what you can say about elections, rules about, and, you know, in my case, what I ran afoul of was rules about what you could and couldn't say about COVID-19 and the vaccines.

00:20:45.000 And they had this very detailed policy of how they were going to give strikes and you had to have five strikes.

00:20:45.000 Okay.

00:20:52.000 And if you were going to have a strike and not just have your tweet flagged as being wrong or misinformation, the tweet actually had to, you know, possibly have harm to the public.

00:21:02.000 So they had all these rules.

00:21:03.000 And you can still read these rules.

00:21:05.000 They're all available on the Twitter website.

00:21:07.000 And what the judge said was, it wasn't just that this executive had contacted me.

00:21:14.000 It's a Twitter made its own policies on top of its terms of service.

00:21:19.000 And at some point, or in my case, I had pled a plausible claim that Twitter was essentially modifying its terms of service.

00:21:30.000 And so no longer could they just ban me for any reason.

00:21:35.000 They had to follow their own policies.

00:21:38.000 Now, he didn't say that I was going to win, but he did say I had a plausible case and allowed the lawsuit to move forward.

00:21:43.000 So what I think and what people on my side connected with my case think is that now Twitter's settled.

00:21:52.000 And no, they haven't specifically admitted, oh, we're terrible or we modified our terms of service or anything like that.

00:21:59.000 But they have specifically admitted that they're reinstating me and that they know you can go back to the exact language in the settlement, but that they acknowledge that they shouldn't have taken action against the tweets.

00:22:12.000 It's something like that.

00:22:14.000 So my position is, or I think there's a legal argument here to be made by other people that, look, Twitter has now essentially done for everybody what it did for Berenson.

00:22:27.000 It has acknowledged that it is going to abide by certain policies when it comes to banning people.

00:22:37.000 And does that modify its terms of service?

00:22:39.000 I don't know, but does it give people a plausible case?

00:22:43.000 Yes.

00:22:44.000 Now, here's what I'll say.

00:22:45.000 For this to work for you, you need to be able to argue very strongly that on a factual basis, you didn't deserve the strikes that you got.

00:22:54.000 And this can't work as a class action.

00:22:56.000 Every case is going to have to be individually adjudicated because it's really a fact pattern.

00:23:01.000 Because let's say you, you know, you write, let's say you dox your ex-girlfriend.

00:23:05.000 Okay.

00:23:06.000 That's clearly a violation of Twitter's terms of service.

00:23:09.000 And they can toss you.

00:23:10.000 Yeah, but they don't even enforce it.

00:23:12.000 I get doxed all the time.

00:23:13.000 But sure.

00:23:13.000 They don't enforce it.

00:23:14.000 Go ahead.

00:23:15.000 They're totally, that's right.

00:23:16.000 They totally don't enforce their own rules.

00:23:18.000 And there's tons of porn.

00:23:19.000 And there's tons of terrible stuff on Twitter that they don't care about.

00:23:23.000 They use this politically.

00:23:25.000 So yes.

00:23:26.000 So this is the argument.

00:23:27.000 And by the way, Twitter's going to come back if you bring this argument in court and they're going to say, you know, these are just modifications.

00:23:34.000 They don't really change the underlying terms of service.

00:23:38.000 And by the way, 230 lets us do whatever we want, whatever we say.

00:23:41.000 Now, will that argument hold?

00:23:43.000 I don't know.

00:23:44.000 But what I do know is that in letting me back on, they have opened the door, I think, at least to this argument being plausible.

00:23:53.000 And basically, all you were saying is that the vaccines have negative efficacy.

00:23:56.000 Is that correct?

00:23:58.000 Well, no, so it was five strikes.

00:24:00.000 The final strike actually didn't say that.

00:24:02.000 It didn't say anything about negative efficacy.

00:24:04.000 It said it.

00:24:05.000 it doesn't halt infection or transmission.

00:24:07.000 It's actually the very first tweet that I reposted when I got back on.

00:24:11.000 It says it doesn't halt infection or transmission.

00:24:14.000 Don't think of it as a vaccine.

00:24:16.000 Think of it as a therapeutic, meaning like a drug that you would take in advance of infection and that has negative that can have bad side effects.

00:24:25.000 So it didn't say it's going to kill you or make your brain pop out or, you know, 5G.

00:24:30.000 It didn't say any of this stuff.

00:24:31.000 It said that, look, we don't usually define stuff that, you know, has a like two-month mechanism of working as a vaccine.

00:24:38.000 And by the way, we know it doesn't halt infection or transmission.

00:24:41.000 So, you know, so from my point of view, that tweet was entirely accurate at the time in August.

00:24:47.000 It remains accurate today.

00:24:49.000 And they should not have struck me.

00:24:50.000 And they've now agreed to that.

00:24:52.000 So, Alex, I want to shift gears to kind of more about the vaccine.

00:24:55.000 There are some studies coming out showing that the vaccine could potentially harm fertility and disrupt menstruation cycles for young women.

00:25:04.000 And also, there's this question of SADS.

00:25:06.000 You've always done such a wonderful job of being fact-first and data-focused.

00:25:10.000 What's your take on all of that?

00:25:13.000 So, look, there's a lot of smoke.

00:25:15.000 Some of it is more plausible than others.

00:25:17.000 Here's what we know: the vaccines do disrupt women's menstrual cycles.

00:25:21.000 Not every woman, but some women. 1.00

00:25:24.000 And do they return to normal?

00:25:25.000 They mostly repair to return to normal within a couple of months.

00:25:28.000 That's, you know, that's still a couple of months.

00:25:31.000 Do they lower sperm counts in some men?

00:25:34.000 There's a very good Israeli study from a couple weeks ago showing they do.

00:25:39.000 Do they cause myocarditis in young?

00:25:41.000 We're talking about the mRNA vaccines, the vaccines that were most commonly used in the United States and Europe, the Pfizer vaccine, the Moderna vaccine.

00:25:47.000 Do they cause myocarditis and pericarditis, which are significant heart inflammation in some young men?

00:25:55.000 Yes, they do.

00:25:57.000 Those things I would say at this point are beyond dispute.

00:26:00.000 Do they have a very, very short window of working against Omicron?

00:26:05.000 I mean, weeks, I would say.

00:26:07.000 Yes.

00:26:08.000 Do they possibly, you mentioned negative efficacy, which basically means not only do they stop working, they actually make you more likely to be infected with Omicron if you're vaccinated.

00:26:18.000 I think there's very strong evidence for that.

00:26:20.000 And when you start talking about SADS, which is essentially people dropping dead, it's look, people, there have always been unfortunate cases where people have died of heart attacks.

00:26:35.000 They've gone to bed one night and they've seemed healthy and they haven't woken up.

00:26:39.000 That's happened.

00:26:39.000 Or people have had aneurysms and literally somebody's going to get a cup of coffee or something and they just fall over and never get up.

00:26:49.000 They die of a brain aneurysm.

00:26:51.000 So this has happened before.

00:26:54.000 To me, the bigger question is when you look at all cause mortality data, that's the broadest death data that we have.

00:27:03.000 Everybody who dies, Western governments, we do a pretty good job of logging when people are born and when people die.

00:27:08.000 All cause deaths in Europe. 0.97

00:27:11.000 Now, the U.S. data is a mess, but in Europe are up.

00:27:16.000 They've been up.

00:27:17.000 And this is ignoring COVID deaths.

00:27:20.000 This is non-COVID deaths, okay?

00:27:22.000 They're up significantly in the last eight to 10 months.

00:27:26.000 And that increase coincides with a couple of months after the vaccination campaigns began.

00:27:33.000 And I think it is imperative that governments really start trying to figure out what happened.

00:27:38.000 Now, we're not talking about, you know, double the number of this.

00:27:41.000 We're not talking about, you know, this is not a depopulation campaign.

00:27:45.000 This is the question is whether or not these vaccines have side effects that are much worse than we understood and whether or not it makes any sense to continue.

00:27:53.000 Whether or not we're even able to talk about it.

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00:29:09.000 We're not even allowed to talk about this right now.

00:29:11.000 Your thoughts?

00:29:13.000 Yeah, I mean, it's crazy that, you know, look, there are many issues around the vaccines, both around efficacy and side effects and this potential that they're driving variants that might become more dangerous in the future.

00:29:26.000 Although we did, you know, I'm not saying that's going to happen, but it's clear that Omicron, you know, it definitely attacks vaccinated people and probably, you know, there's evidence that when you set up a billion people who all have the same immune response, there's a, you know, the virus is going to is going to mutate against that.

00:29:43.000 So there are all these problems and we need to talk about them.

00:29:47.000 And governments and the drug makers need to research them and be honest about where we are right now.

00:29:52.000 This issue is just too important.

00:29:54.000 So, Alex, one of the issues I think that people in our audience struggle with, and I think just general audience does, is they hear everything you're saying.

00:30:02.000 They read your data, they read the sub stack, and then they'll read the New York Times or watch something on television.

00:30:08.000 And not to say that they trust the New York Times even, but they say, is it really, could it really be that clandestine?

00:30:16.000 Can you help build that out?

00:30:18.000 So it's not so much clandestine.

00:30:18.000 Sure.

00:30:21.000 And why I'm so hated by these people and so dangerous on some level to these people is because I'm not talking about depopulation or crazy conspiracy theories.

00:30:31.000 What I'm talking about is this.

00:30:31.000 Okay.

00:30:33.000 I covered the drug industry for the New York Times for several years.

00:30:37.000 Okay.

00:30:38.000 And I saw what these companies did.

00:30:40.000 And it's not that they're setting out to kill people or anything like that, but they are for-profit entities and they spend tons of money researching and promoting these drugs.

00:30:49.000 And when there are problems with them, they don't want to admit them.

00:30:52.000 Okay.

00:30:53.000 And a classic example of this was Viox. 0.79

00:30:55.000 Now, Merck is considered maybe the best of the big pharma companies.

00:30:59.000 Merck made Viox.

00:31:00.000 It was an arthritis drug, basically a fancier aspirin that they sold for $3 a pill.

00:31:05.000 And it turned out, unfortunately, that Viox caused heart attacks.

00:31:10.000 And this was pretty clear even before they started selling the drug.

00:31:13.000 And they wouldn't admit it.

00:31:14.000 And the FDA allowed it to move forward.

00:31:17.000 And years later, after thousands, you know, the estimate was about 50,000 people had had heart attacks from Viox, finally, the evidence became too strong and Merck had to pull the drug.

00:31:29.000 Okay.

00:31:29.000 That was not an effort by Merck to depopulate the world.

00:31:32.000 It was an effort by Merck to make money.

00:31:35.000 And the FDA didn't do its job properly and didn't push back hard enough.

00:31:41.000 Okay.

00:31:41.000 What we have now is that on steroids.

00:31:45.000 Because what happened in 2020 was the companies ran a clinical trial to see if their vaccines worked, both Moderna and Pfizer.

00:31:54.000 And the vaccines did appear to work in the clinical trial.

00:31:58.000 And there were not a lot of extra deaths in the clinical trial.

00:32:01.000 The data was pretty clean.

00:32:02.000 The safety data was pretty clean.

00:32:04.000 And what's called the efficacy data was excellent.

00:32:08.000 And that led to the approval of these vaccines much, much, much too quickly.

00:32:15.000 Okay.

00:32:15.000 The problem isn't that the vaccines didn't work for a couple of months.

00:32:19.000 It's that a vaccine isn't supposed to work for a couple of months.

00:32:22.000 It's supposed to work for decades or your lifetime.

00:32:24.000 Yes.

00:32:26.000 And so these were approved too hastily.

00:32:29.000 People were too afraid of COVID and they didn't really recognize the risks of this novel biotechnology.

00:32:36.000 And unfortunately, a year and a half later, we're in the worst possible situation.

00:32:40.000 The vaccines clearly don't work for very long.

00:32:43.000 They clearly have more severe side effects than were admitted.

00:32:45.000 But worse than that, both the public health community, the governments of almost every major country, and the media, perhaps worst of all, have gone, went all in on this in December of 2020.

00:33:00.000 They totally forgot their watchdog mechanism.

00:33:02.000 They totally forgot that Pfizer is no one's friend but Pfizer and Moderna the same thing.

00:33:07.000 And they now are in a horrible position and can't admit for, again, when I say admit the truth, it's not like, oh, you know, everyone who got these is going to drop dead.

00:33:16.000 It's do these really work?

00:33:18.000 And if they don't, what are the risks?

00:33:21.000 And then why are we doing that?

00:33:22.000 Then why are we mandating them too, though?

00:33:24.000 That's another important point, right?

00:33:26.000 We're discharging people from the military.

00:33:28.000 Yes.

00:33:29.000 I mean, so the mandates have largely been dropped, except in the case of, you know, of military, of, you know, of soldiers and some healthcare workers.

00:33:38.000 And, you know, the idea that school children are going to be mandated to get these is out the window.

00:33:42.000 People are not going to tolerate that.

00:33:44.000 So there is this sort of leftover mandates.

00:33:47.000 But to me, you know, that's a problem.

00:33:51.000 But the bigger problem is this issue of, you know, just the dishonesty in looking at what's going to happen next and how we got here.

00:33:59.000 Alex, you got to get on Getter.

00:34:01.000 They won't kick you off like Twitter did.

00:34:02.000 We got to get you on Getter.

00:34:05.000 All right.

00:34:06.000 Well, Charlie, right now I'm just concentrating on Twitter.

00:34:09.000 And I am glad to be back on.

00:34:11.000 But, you know, listen, we have to keep pushing.

00:34:13.000 We have because the mainstream media is so compromised around this.

00:34:18.000 We're going to just have to keep pushing.

00:34:20.000 I love it.

00:34:20.000 Alex Berenson, thank you for being so courageous and terrific.

00:34:24.000 And we'll have you back on soon.

00:34:25.000 Thank you so much.

00:34:27.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:34:28.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:29.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:32.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:34:33.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 08, 2022

Alex Berenson and Daniel Horowitz Sound OFF on Twitter Bans, Vaccines, and the Mysterious Rise in All Cause Mortality

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