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00:01:37.000Matt, introduce the movie to our audience.
00:01:40.000As soon as I saw 10 seconds of the trailer, I said, this is one of the most brilliant things I have ever seen.
00:01:46.000And it's deeper than people realize, and we'll get into that.
00:01:49.000But Matt, introduce the project to our audience.
00:01:51.000Yeah, this is, you know, I made a movie called What Is Woman a couple years ago, which is our investigation of gender ideology and the gender madness gripping hold of our culture.
00:02:01.000And this is our, certainly not a sequel to that, but kind of our follow-up.
00:02:05.000So we have the same team together and we made our next, our new film, which is called Am I Racist?
00:02:11.000And we thought, you know, we tackled gender.
00:02:14.000What's the other sort of big area of cultural controversy, of course, is race.
00:02:20.000And that's what this movie deals with, but the kind of entry point that we decided we wanted to start with is the DEI slash anti-racist scam.
00:02:33.000And so the basic idea behind the film is to expose these grifters and con artists who are pushing this agenda, but doing it in a satirical way, whereas with What Is A Woman, If you watched that movie, I was kind of a blank slate throughout the whole thing.
00:02:51.000So we start my journey of racial awakening, you know, my journey of anti-racism with a conversation with questions, just like in the previous film.
00:02:59.000But this time around, I was like, okay, I'll buy it.
00:03:02.000And I'll play a version of myself that is fully bought in on this.
00:03:06.000And I'm going to let them guide me down the rabbit hole.
00:03:09.000I'll let them tell me where to go and what to do next.
00:03:12.000So that hopefully by the end of it, the audience, rather than me just telling the audience that, hey, here's why these ideas are bad, that by the end of it, they can see.
00:03:47.000This is in theaters, and it's going to be out September 13th, so that's on Friday.
00:03:49.000You can buy the tickets early, which we're encouraging everyone to do.
00:03:52.000MIRacist.com is where you can get the tickets.
00:03:54.000I'm going to buy out a whole theater, so I'm not kidding.
00:03:57.000When I saw the brilliance of this, and we'll explain why it's so brilliant throughout, because what Matt did is he went after the unforgivable sin of modern society and then asked the question about it.
00:06:48.000How did you get Robin DiAngelo, the archbishop of anti-racism, to sit down with you?
00:06:55.000You know, I cannot reveal all my methods, Charlie, but I will say that here's what I'll say a couple things about that because I get this question a lot, as you can imagine.
00:07:05.000First thing is there's no hidden cameras.
00:07:07.000So a lot of people have seen the trailers.
00:07:09.000Well, how did you get all those cameras in the room without them noticing?
00:07:11.000Well, they knew that they were on camera.
00:07:13.000Everybody in the film agreed to be on camera.
00:07:37.000We paid them, so we paid Robin DiAngelo.
00:07:40.000And I think it's the combination of the dollar signs in the eyes, which maybe got her to overlook Some things that you would otherwise consider to be red flags.
00:07:48.000And then also what I really came to understand making this movie and the last one is that these people are so insulated in their little bubbles that they're never around anyone who fundamentally disagrees with them on anything.
00:08:01.000And so it's almost like unthinkable to them that they would ever end up talking to someone who actually disagrees.
00:08:07.000They're just, they just, that's not part of their daily life.
00:08:10.000And there's a certain amount of there's like a false sense of security that comes with that and there's a certain amount of arrogance that comes with it and we were able to I don't want to say exploit that's a harsh word but Well, we were able to exploit it, I guess, to our benefit in this movie.
00:08:25.000Well, and so the struggle session with all of the, uh, wine moms, that was, it seems as if they knew they were on camera to try to recreate such a anti-racism type of session.
00:08:53.000We, you know, when we decided to make this film on this topic, one of the first things I said is we gotta, because I heard of the Race to Dinner years before that, I said, we gotta get in the room for one of these things.
00:09:42.000We said, what if it was, you know, what if it was a trans woman or someone who identifies as non-binary?
00:09:49.000And that's when, if I remember correctly, they said something like, well, it has to be someone who was socialized as a woman, which was just their way of basically saying it has to be a real woman.
00:10:01.000So it couldn't sit at the table, but we did find out that They will allow and in fact welcome white men to be their servers, to be the waiters serving them at their dinner.
00:10:30.000It took over a year, just for the production side of it, not counting the post-production.
00:10:36.000And so you ask the question, am I a racist?
00:10:38.000Which then begs the question, can they who are constantly accusing things of being racist define what racism is?
00:10:46.000And it's similar to the what is a woman question, which are, and I want to connect those dots in a little bit, but did anyone tell you what racism actually is?
00:10:53.000Yeah that's interesting because we realized early on making this film that if we wanted to we could extend the what is a franchise and have a whole you know what is a cinematic universe or something uh because that actually they can't they um I think I was a little bit surprised by that early on that actually I didn't I didn't think that it'd be a trick question but when you ask them what is racism they have a lot of trouble defining it but it's a little bit different I think from what is a woman because um I think that they want, they have a definition in their head that they want to say, but they know how it sounds and they know that it can't withstand scrutiny.
00:11:32.000So they, so they're very reluctant to say it because their actual definition is that racism is a, this isn't really, really even a definition.
00:11:40.000It's more of a, you know, description of some of the aspects of what they consider racism to be, but they, they think that racism is inherently white construct.
00:11:50.000And that it is something that only white people can be guilty of, and that no so-called person of color can ever be guilty of it.
00:12:00.000I mean, that's the core of their whole ideology.
00:12:04.000And maybe 10 years ago, they would be more open about just telling you that.
00:12:09.000But I think at this point, they're a little shy about saying it, because again, they know how it sounds.
00:12:14.000And they also know that There's just, you can't be defended.
00:12:17.000It's just total ad hoc, kind of arbitrary way of defining racism to automatically, just from the outset, absolve every non-white person of every racist thing they've ever done.
00:12:30.000So, right, they really can't define it in any detail.
00:12:36.000And then the other point of their conception of racism is that as a white person, you're guilty of it inherently.
00:12:45.000Which means that you can never be not racist.
00:12:49.000Robin DiAngelo tells me you can be less racist or more racist in any given moment.
00:12:54.000So it just fluctuates wildly from moment to moment.
00:12:57.000You can never be free of this original sin of whiteness as they see it, which means that You could give them all the money and do all the steps and read all the books, and at the end of it, you really won't be any less racist than you were before.
00:13:09.000That's what they're telling you, which is like, so then why don't we just ignore them completely, which I think is the right move, ultimately.
00:13:15.000Well, but at the core of wokeism is a rejection of Christianity, which is redemption and forgiveness.
00:13:21.000Is that there is no way to to absolve yourself of your sin.
00:13:38.000And I'm glad you brought that up because that's another part of this that I was thinking about a lot as I was making the film.
00:13:45.000The spiritual component of it because To me, it's not very confusing why Robin DiAngelo or Cyber Rao, who runs Race to Dinner, or why any of these other people, why they're doing what they do is not very confusing, not very interesting, really.
00:14:11.000The more interesting question to me is what about when I go to race to dinner and there are a bunch of white women sitting around that table being berated for two hours, uh, being subjected to this racial harassment as they, as they, you know, sip their wine and eat whatever they ate for, for dinner.
00:16:22.000Here are the things you can do to atone for it.
00:16:23.000And then they do it, and then they tell them, oh, by the way, you're still not atoned,
00:16:26.000you're just as bad as you were before.
00:16:28.000So you went on this journey to say, am I a racist?
00:16:33.000So therefore, included in the question is you must have a definition of racism, which I agree with you, Matt.
00:16:39.000They have some sort of idea of what that means, even though they'll turn an eye on racism if it's against white people, which I'm not sure if you get into that in the film, but it seems that it's perfectly fine to be nasty to people if it's not, as long as it's towards white people, but not towards black people, or Hispanic people, whatever.
00:16:56.000But then also you ask a question of a threshold, right?
00:17:00.000So by definition, at some point you must attain racist or not racist.
00:17:05.000Did you ever get a standard definition, not just of racist, but when then somebody accomplish it, not accomplish it, but becomes that, that becomes such a racist?
00:17:15.000Did they ever create a spectrum to you, for you?
00:17:22.000They all have different ways of I don't think they would call it a spectrum exactly.
00:17:29.000We talked to someone and she's not even in the film just because we shot, you know, dozens of hours of footage and we can't put it all in.
00:17:35.000But some HR kind of type, DEI consultant type, who had an idea about stages of racism.
00:17:44.000And it was interesting because stage one was like you deny that you're racist entirely.
00:17:51.000Stage two or phase two is you're in the Klan.
00:17:55.000um so in her world it's actually worse to deny racism than to be in the clan so they all have things like that um but in terms of like what what makes you racist or where do you cross the threshold that there is no threshold because the threat the threshold is whiteness and to the extent that you participate in quote-unquote whiteness you're automatically uh racist and every white person He's a participant of whiteness because we're white, so that's the catch-22.
00:19:07.000But I guess what we might call the Moana problem here is what, on one hand, is cultural appropriation, on the other hand, there's gravitating towards white characters.
00:20:02.000So, one, actually the first so-called expert that we talked to in the film.
00:20:08.000Did she know she was talking to you or was that she wasn't clear or?
00:20:12.000No I don't think she knew no she didn't know that that you know I didn't I didn't come in and say I'm Matt Walsh of the Daily Wire uh so I don't I don't think she knew that I mean and she and she that's kind of you see that's like I said the first interview and you could see That's, in microcosm, kind of the approach we take in the film, where she opens with this absurd thing about how she's upset at her daughter for liking white princesses, and in a different version of this movie, I'd probably respond by saying, well, what's wrong with that?
00:20:38.000What are you, you know, what are you nuts?
00:20:40.000But instead, it's like, okay, well, I'll see that.
00:20:43.000I'll see your white princesses, up you cultural appropriation, and just see where this, you know, See where we go down this rabbit hole and that's kind of how the whole film works.
00:20:51.000You see if there's any contradictions inherent in that.
00:20:53.000So Matt, you mentioned this previously.
00:20:55.000Is it fair to say that for many of the white women that engage in this and the authors and the proponents, it is a substitute counterfeit religion?
00:21:04.000Do you get the sense that it has the sort of practices, the sort of rituals that make it have some religious undertones?
00:21:15.000Of course, it's a pale, it's a pale imitation of religion.
00:21:19.000So it doesn't have anywhere near the depth, obviously, and the beauty of, of Christianity.
00:21:26.000But it does have, it tries to do some of that same stuff.
00:21:31.000And that is when we go in the film and we do our, and it's a, it's a support group for white people who are struggling with their privilege and their grief over being white.
00:21:43.000And that whole thing, it's a very ritualistic thing.
00:21:47.000And even sitting in the room, I got the sense that it seemed to me that these people have done things like this before.
00:22:44.000But, you know, Obviously, even Robin DiAngelo, she's quick to say when I talk to her, she's always quick to, well, you know, women of color would be, would be, she's, she's always, she's always does this performance of being sort of, you know, humble and saying, Oh, I'm not the really the authority on this.
00:23:46.000And that's her husband and it's like every spouse, that's what, you know, married couple has not had arguments about, you know, you're talking too much or whatever.
00:23:56.000Um, but so they say that, but then the, the person leading it doesn't say, Oh, certainly doesn't assure them that it wasn't racist.
00:24:12.000It's just, I'm going to dump on you for having done this terrible thing.
00:24:16.000So if you had to pinpoint the books that make up the catechism of anti-racism, what would you say that they are reading and consuming that gives them these views the most?
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00:27:48.000I think their biggest weakness is that the world that they construct, the world that they tell us exists, is so far outside of the experience of normal people.
00:28:01.000It doesn't actually resonate with most normal people, I think, and that's their greatest weakness.
00:28:08.000Really, the way to defeat them is ultimately to see them for the ridiculous absurdities that they are, which is what we're trying to demonstrate in the film, and then having acknowledged that, once that's clear, to just completely ignore them.
00:28:25.000In the film, we go down and we talk to some normal people who are, you know, really outside the whole DEI bubble.
00:28:32.000They're probably not being subjected to DEI programming in corporate America or in school.
00:28:36.000We go to a biker bar in the South and, you know, the Confederate flags hanging on the walls and a bunch of white bikers.
00:28:42.000And then from there, we immediately go down to New Orleans, you know, inner city, very poor areas, black community, talk to people there.
00:28:51.000And what we hear is, you know, it's shockingly similar.
00:28:54.000I mean, shocking if you believe the media.
00:28:56.000Anyway, um, we hear a lot of the same stuff and what we hear from both sides is like systemic racism.
00:29:01.000They're not really thinking about that.
00:29:02.000They barely even know what it's supposed to mean.
00:29:05.000Um, they don't really care that much what your rate, like they noticed your race, but it doesn't, they're not focused on it.
00:29:10.000They're not thinking about racism all the time.
00:29:12.000We all believe the same as a refrain we heard in both places from the bikers, from the, uh, poor community in New Orleans.
00:29:19.000Um, And I think, again, if you're outside of all that, that's just what your daily experience is, which is why the Robin DeAngelo of the world, they see that, which is why they want to get in there and say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:29:30.000You need to, if you're black, you're a victim.
00:30:07.000The white participants in the group feel that there's something in themselves that they have to overcome when all that's being requested of you is that you be.
00:31:37.000I mean, that these are people that are deeply unwell, that need some sort of healing, and they need some sort of probably religion or therapy, and they find it in this crusade of anti-racism.
00:31:49.000And tell us again what we just witnessed.
00:31:51.000Yeah, that's a session for white people dealing with grief, I guess basically over the fact that they're white.
00:31:58.000And, you know, as you see, kind of an AA style sitting around in chairs in a circle.
00:32:03.000Um, what you saw there is actually the end of, I'm there, it was an hour and a half of event.
00:32:07.000I was there for, well, it ended up ending early after they kicked me out because they called the cops and everybody was very traumatized.
00:32:14.000So they had to just, and unfortunately I ruined the whole event.
00:32:19.000Um, but you know, prior to that, I'm, I'm just trying to take part in my own way cause I'm learning and they weren't very welcoming of that either.
00:33:08.000But it requires courage, doesn't it, Matt?
00:33:09.000And I think that's one of the reasons why you made this film, is that the spell that they have America under, the control, is that thou shall not be racist.
00:33:18.000What people will do to not be called the R-word is remarkable.
00:33:44.000You're not going to, I don't care that you think that about me.
00:33:47.000I'm not saying it's true, but I just don't care that you think it.
00:33:51.000But it can be hard for us to really conceptualize that for a lot of people, especially people on the left, especially people that are upper middle class, whatever, they are terrified of being called that.
00:34:02.000It is the worst thing you could ever say about them.
00:34:06.000And once you call them that, you have them under this spell, it's like this curse that they just feel like they have to be rid of.
00:34:15.000And once you put that on the table, They will do anything to prove that it's not true.
00:34:21.000And that's something that throughout the film, especially towards the end, I don't want to spoil the way, but towards the end, we kind of, we use that to our advantage to show you like that they really will do anything.
00:34:32.000To prove that they aren't racist, and it's quite sad.
00:34:38.000Is it because they're actually afraid of being called a racist, or are they afraid of the societal and cultural cost to their status if they're called a racist?
00:34:48.000Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both, but I think it's mainly the latter.
00:34:51.000I think that they're worried about social alienation being ostracized.
00:34:57.000I want everyone to connect the dots here.
00:35:04.000So the thing that Americans are most afraid of in upper middle class society is being called a racist, a term of which that cannot be defined even by the people who do it for a living.
00:35:15.000And they cannot tell you how you reach that threshold.
00:35:19.000So Matt, what we live through then, is the definition of arbitrary enforcement of power.
00:35:25.000Where, since there is no clear definition, and there is no way that people can follow along, it's who then, whoever gets to say it, they can ruin anybody's life at any time.
00:35:36.000If you and I go wear blackface, they'll try to ruin our career, but Joy Behar is perfectly fine, because they'll make some sort of excuse or some sort of exception, right?
00:35:45.000It's about having power and control over the society a lot more than actually trying to advance a better world where there is less prejudice or stereotyping.
00:35:57.000And to use the religion analogy again, these are, you know, sort of the priestesses and priests of this religion who Claim some sort of ability to relieve you or atone, you
00:36:09.000know, relieve you of your sin But they are the ones on their own who have the ability to
00:36:14.000tell you if something is a sin or not There's no, you know, there is no real like ten
00:36:19.000commandments of the anti racist religion It's just whatever they happen to say at the moment. So you
00:36:25.000never know. Let's play cut 44 I used to be a white woman an unsuccessful one
00:36:29.000For many decades and it was a miserable experience And really, the hatred of yourselves and each other is, like, the most.
00:36:39.000The not seeing your power, the being afraid.
00:36:41.000Like, all you do is talk s*** about each other, talk s*** about yourself.
00:37:12.000And I'm, and I'm, you know, I was at the dinner, the, for the whole thing.
00:37:17.000And, uh, we kind of started interjecting a little bit and my goal in that, in that scene was to earn a seat at the table.
00:37:24.000Cause I wasn't allowed initially to sit there cause I'm not a white woman.
00:37:28.000Um, and I guess you have to see the movie, but you know, well, But it's in one of the clips we put out, so I do eventually succeed and I earn my spot at the table, even if it wasn't necessarily a welcome presence.
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00:39:50.000So Matt, you've been doing this for a couple years.
00:39:52.000Do you get the sense, Matt, that the woke, this outrageous anti-racism stuff, is falling out of favor even with some people in liberal America?
00:40:01.000Or is this still very embedded and entrenched in everyday life in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Boston?
00:40:09.000It's falling out of favor in name, at least.
00:40:13.000So DEI now takes on a negative connotation, I think, for most people.
00:40:17.000What you got to watch out for, though, is you're going to have these institutions, whether it's in corporate America or, you know, academia or in government, that get rid of their DEI program and then replace it with something that just has a different name.
00:40:32.000And we know that this is something that the left is very good at.
00:40:38.000They're very good at repackaging the same idea over and over again in different ways.
00:40:42.000And then eventually people figure out that, OK, that's what this really is.
00:40:45.000And then they have to change it again.
00:40:47.000So I think we're a long way from actually having extricated ourselves or this stuff from society.
00:40:55.000I mean, because it is deeply embedded and the people that are running these institutions, this is what they believe.
00:41:03.000And so it's going to be, we still have a long fight ahead of us to actually get rid of it.
00:41:08.000But like I said, we have to look out for the The branding change is the thing we have to watch out for.
00:41:14.000When you started the planning for this film, could you have ever imagined getting to such close proximity on camera to the individuals that you did in this film?
00:41:25.000We had hopes, but of course there was a part of us that thought this might not work at all.
00:41:29.000We might try this for a year and not have a movie at the end of it.
00:41:33.000Especially because we knew there was going to be an undercover element of this.
00:41:37.000And I was unwilling to shave my beard.
00:42:36.000And the way we defeat it is with mockery and humiliation.
00:42:39.000Matt Walsh's new film is just terrific.
00:42:42.000And, Matt, I want to get your take on the 2024 race here, the presidential race, where if Kamala Harris wins, she will bring some of these outrageous ideas even further into our government.
00:42:52.000Because, Matt, it's easy to laugh at it, it's easy to make fun of it, but there are real-life implications involved in DEI and these struggle sessions.
00:43:05.000I mean, we can make fun of it because it's a ridiculous thing, but just because it's ridiculous doesn't mean that it's not It's a serious threat.
00:43:12.000Many things that are ridiculous are also quite serious.
00:43:17.000I mean, this is racism embedded into institutions.
00:43:23.000And all you have to do is talk to one of the many people out there that have been passed over for jobs and opportunities because of the color of their skin.
00:43:32.000It's just that racism is generally targeted at groups that the elites in our society have said, well, it's okay to target them.
00:43:43.000If you know anything about history, you know that when you single out a group of people and you say, well, they're the cause of all our problems, they're the villains, and it's wrong to treat most people this way, but if you treat them this way, it's okay.
00:43:58.000We know that There's not a good track record of doing that to any group of people.
00:44:03.000And now we're doing it, you know, you do it to white people, especially straight white men being the uber villains of all.
00:44:10.000And the implications in real life for people are enormous.
00:44:15.000But Matt, what makes this different, I suppose, can you think of another movement where the group that's being targeted so willingly participated in their own demise?
00:44:23.000I have no such example to compare it to.
00:44:27.000Yeah, there are a few things that make it unique, and that's probably one of them.
00:44:33.000It seems like there was this kind of throwing up of the hands and saying, all right, fine.
00:44:39.000It seems like that, but that's not actually the case, because most of the people who are affected by this Actually didn't vote for it and don't want it.
00:44:52.000They are not out there voting for politicians who promise more DEI.
00:44:56.000It's just that they, you know, they don't have the same power.
00:44:59.000I mean, it's like, it's been pointed out many times that a lot of this DEI stuff, there seems to be, you know, liberal white women seem to be overrepresented among the people that are pushing it.
00:45:57.000That can be exploited in really sinister ways.
00:46:02.000And so I think that's part of what's happening here.
00:46:07.000Some of it, again, just goes back to good old-fashioned virtue signaling, showing off your virtue.
00:46:13.000I think the biggest part is what we talked about kind of earlier about the collapse of faith in America and people who are secular people who have no faith looking for some approximation of religion and finding it in this and then finding that in this new religion, especially if they're liberal white women, they can They're not just members of the religion.
00:46:35.000They are now at the pulpit, you know, delivering the sermons, and I think that they are very pleased by that.