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00:01:09.000All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:12.000I am joined on set today by two absolute legends and rock stars.
00:01:31.000Joe Bob, Ty Lafay, host of Turning Point Tonight, which you can check out on Real America's Voice and all the other streaming podcast places on Real America's Voice.
00:01:43.000And you're also a comedian, and you are a Turning Point USA contributor.
00:02:16.000But, you know, again, really, really appreciate Megan for reaching out and offering such a gracious role on the tour, but specifically because Charlie was set to do a stop with her later on this month, I believe.
00:02:28.000Yeah, and you used to do the tour stops for Charlie.
00:02:34.000I used to open up at the risk of going on a tangent.
00:02:36.000Mikey McCoy, one of the greatest people I know, and also was the only reason that I ever would have gotten fired because at those tour stops, he would suggest jokes to me and claim, hey, this is what we want here.
00:02:50.000And I would never be able to read whether or not he was serious.
00:03:47.000The best part is where Joe Bob just goes, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:03:51.000Yeah, I believe Greg Gutfield made fun of that on his show later that evening because I was, again, kind of like, is this happening?
00:03:59.000Yeah, and yeah, we've got some great clips of you and you and Charlie laughing it up, Joe Bob.
00:04:04.000We should put these images up if you have them, just because once once we look at this, this is you and Charlie laughing, Joe Bob and Charlie.
00:04:12.000I don't have pictures like this with Charlie because I'm not as funny as you.
00:04:17.000Do you want me to tell you the story of what we were talking about there?
00:04:20.000That first clip, and I know the radio audience can't see it, but we're just laughing because so in this particular clip, I was showing Charlie all of the things that he would sometimes do wrong on campuses.
00:04:31.000Because at this point in time, I was kind of mingling with the crowd, trying to get in with the Trantifa folks and ask them questions.
00:04:38.000And Charlie, in this particular clip, saw me in the audience and waved.
00:06:24.000And does that mean the H-1B visa thing will not be a big priority for your administration?
00:06:29.000Because if you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of foreign workers.
00:06:36.000We also do have to bring in talent when the country.
00:06:41.000We don't have talented people in there.
00:06:42.000No, you don't have certain talents, and people have to learn.
00:06:46.000You can't take people off an unemployment, like an unemployment line, and say, I'm going to put you into a factory where we're going to make missiles, or I'm going to put you in the middle of the market.
00:07:24.000I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.
00:07:26.000You can't just say a country's coming in, going to invest $10 billion to build a plant and going to take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked in five years and they're going to start making missiles.
00:08:06.000Hold on, let me put a qualifier in there as Libswood.
00:08:08.000As the son of an immigrant, I will say this.
00:08:13.000Can we have two thoughts in our head at one time?
00:08:15.000I think this audience is smart enough to be able to have two thoughts simultaneously.
00:08:19.000One, yes, we want these jobs to go to Americans.
00:08:22.000We want these jobs to go to American citizens.
00:08:24.000And at the same time, I think this is one of Charlie's biggest points when he wrote this book called College is a Scam, saying we are not educating the people in this country in the way that is going to be beneficial to their future jobs in this country.
00:08:37.000So on one hand, I want all these jobs to go to American people.
00:08:40.000On the other hand, we've got to fix our education system so that these people can be qualified because that really seems to be Trump's main point there is that, well, we don't have enough qualified people to do all of these jobs.
00:08:52.000And I want those people to be qualified and be Americans.
00:08:55.000But the problem is our university system and our education system is so bogged down with liberal woke nonsense that we unfortunately don't sometimes, and Trump would say it does don't have the talent.
00:09:07.000And I think that that's possible, but it's going to take reevaluating where our education system is in order to bring Americans up to speed so we don't need to farm out or outsource any of these jobs.
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00:11:09.000I mean, if we're, you know, if we're bringing in people training foreigners to do jobs, the only way to keep that talent in-house is to let them live here.
00:11:18.000And I think the base does not want that.
00:11:20.000The base wants American-born kids to get American-made jobs.
00:12:46.000So our institutions have been captured by the woke, meritless DEI left.
00:12:51.000So excellence necessarily will be degraded if and when you inject those ideologies into our institutions.
00:12:58.000So what you have, you need better institutions.
00:13:01.000I'm telling you, mark my words, Mikey McCoy.
00:13:04.000If we just deported all the student visa holders or all of these foreign H-1B holders and all these corporations who are the ones that are talking to Trump right now and talking to the admin, we need this, we need that.
00:13:25.000And on top of that, too, I mean, President Trump wants the best for America.
00:13:29.000And so he's looking at this through a lens that we probably aren't, which is just if the world has the best scientists and engineers, I want the best here in America.
00:13:39.000And so he's maybe just saying it a different way than we would like him to.
00:13:42.000I think we give him another opportunity to kind of clarify that.
00:14:35.000Companies in Georgia, Hyundai Plant, hiring people on H-1B visas and having them live as indentured servants.
00:14:41.000I mean, this happens all the time where companies will say, oh, we're just, you know, we're bringing these skilled workers and these people are living like slaves, basically.
00:14:53.000Yeah, just, I mean, it's also a numbers thing.
00:14:55.000So it's just like you brought up India.
00:14:58.000India's middle class, literally equivalent to the United States, is almost our entire U.S. population.
00:15:05.000And it's just the numbers don't really add up.
00:15:08.000You can't import enough people and just expect that America will stay the same.
00:15:13.000But then on top of that, we'll claim capitalism, but it's actually corporatism, which is just, they're looking for cheap labor is what it is.
00:15:23.000And it's a problem because it's also just like a violation of human rights that you're bringing in somebody because it's cheaper and they can do the job equivalent to you.
00:15:35.000They can't do it better than you, but they can do it cheaper than you.
00:15:51.000But then she says, My question is about a very apparent disconnect between the MAGA base and what's coming out of the White House.
00:15:57.000She's talking about H-1B visas, the economy, 50-year mortgages.
00:16:01.000I know that Charlie was an advocate to Trump.
00:16:03.000So a lot of people are talking about this online: that Charlie was the voice of the base.
00:16:06.000We really did aspire to be that, by the way, to be the voice of the base and to make sure the admin was connected to all of you out in the audience.
00:16:38.000Let in about a million legal immigrants into the United States of America every single year.
00:16:42.000And I think the evidence is pretty clear that a lot of those immigrants are actually undercutting the wages of American workers.
00:16:47.000It's one of the reasons why the president of the United States is one of the reasons why the president of the United States and a lot of us in the administration have encouraged H-1B reform.
00:16:57.000Because if you look at the H-1B visa, what it's supposed to be, what it's supposed to be is that you have a super genius who's studying at an American university, who's working at a great company.
00:17:08.000You want that super genius to stay in the United States of America and not go somewhere else.
00:17:12.000What it's actually used to do is hire an accountant at a 50% discount to an American citizen.
00:17:20.000I don't think that we should be hiring accountants from foreign countries when we've got accountants right here in the United States that would love to work for a good wage.
00:18:41.000And I think just to reiterate, my priority would be to train Americans to do American jobs.
00:18:47.000What I think I'm trying to say with the nuance between what President Trump is saying is I think we're just trying to understand where he's coming from, right?
00:18:54.000That's that's, I think, my basis here.
00:18:57.000But yeah, at the end of the day, if you don't have an education structure that allows students to be able to succeed in the workforce, then what is the education structure?
00:19:07.000You know all of the genders and all of the you've colored your hair and you've done all that sort of stuff, but you don't actually have any skill, tangible skill to be applied to the American workforce.
00:19:15.000That's where you need to reset the university system.
00:19:18.000Yeah, we got an email that said America first means Americans first.
00:19:43.000When I first started working for Charlie, I literally had no idea how to properly write an email, how to book a rental car, how to do any of this stuff.
00:20:09.000Charlie wrote this about a month before he, it was less than a month before he was assassinated.
00:20:15.000He said, this is the social compact breaking down.
00:20:18.000And he's reacting to a graph of estimated percentage of 30-year-olds who are both married and homeowners.
00:20:24.000So if you go back to, it looks like, what, 1950, it was over 50%.
00:20:29.000And then you fast forward to 2020s, basically, and it's less than 15%.
00:20:36.000His formula for fixing this, mass deportations, stop the H-1B scam, dramatically reduce legal immigration, end chain migration and the visa lottery, build 10 million homes for Americans, crush the college cartel.
00:20:50.000And by the way, not to work backwards from Charlie's list, but we've been talking about his book, The College Scam, which you should all buy and check it out because it's more relevant than ever.
00:20:58.000Colleges have the lack of, I would just say, real training that is going on at the college level, training Americans for actual jobs, is really, really depressing.
00:24:13.000I am thankful and I am blessed for the career that I have now.
00:24:16.000And I would push carts at Costco if I needed to to be able to support the only thing that actually matters, which is my kids and my family.
00:24:24.000And so it really puts things in perspective.
00:24:27.000Obviously, you get more productive out of necessity, but at the same time, you start understanding: okay, so none of the tangible goals I had for my life-you know, buying houses, getting moving up the career ladder, it doesn't really matter when you actually have the thing that is going to take priority over all of those things.
00:24:48.000And I wish there was a better way to communicate that to young people.
00:25:10.000TikTok offers opportunities for respectful exchanges of ideas.
00:25:15.000And through that, opportunities for community, not to talk over each other, but to talk with each other.
00:25:20.000On TikTok, you'll find creators who teach and encourage a carpenter passing on his craft, a mom explaining how to make a budget stretch, or a gardener showing us how to bring a backyard back to life.
00:25:31.000Different stories, but the same drive: the desire to connect and to understand.
00:25:35.000That's what makes a strong community: a common desire to connect, to find a way forward through respectful dialogue, building trust and feeling heard.
00:25:42.000Freedom to speak what we know and hear each other out.
00:26:56.000I'm not trying to pick a favorite, but okay, I am because I think you're great at this.
00:26:59.000But tell us, spike the football because people need to understand how successful this operation has truly been.
00:27:08.000And President Trump actually took to Truth Social last night to point out these exact statistics.
00:27:13.000And this is what the media doesn't want to tell you: J.B. Pritzker and Brandon Johnson, the mayor out of Chicago, failed to do their job and refused to do their job for years.
00:27:22.000And Chicagoans and Illinois citizens were living in fear.
00:27:26.000You just saw yourself, carjacking's 50% down.
00:27:31.000We're the law enforcement on the ground who have been vilified.
00:27:34.000There's been obstruction from J.B. Pritzker, from Brandon Johnson.
00:27:38.000It's not just the rhetoric themselves demonizing and vilifying our law enforcement, the actual obstruction themselves, not letting our men and women into the jails to remove these violent criminals.
00:27:50.000And yet, these are the results our men and women are delivering.
00:27:54.000And I know the Chicago Tribune and the New York Times would love to tell the American people that we're bending the knee and we're going to get up and leave Chicago.
00:28:35.000Since Trump began his crime crackdown in Memphis, murder has dropped 52% and robbery has plummeted 69% per an analysis of data by the Daily Caller.
00:28:48.000And we've seen this obviously in DC as well.
00:28:51.000When you get tough on crime, criminals flee and they scatter and they stop doing the things that they've been getting away with with impunity because people are taking it seriously.
00:29:04.000I mean, this is just common sense policy.
00:29:06.000If you remove illegal aliens, those who break the law, those criminals off the street, you're naturally going to have less crime.
00:29:13.000And it is stunning that every single time, instead of actually doing their jobs and protecting the men, women, and families who've elected these politicians, instead they decide to vilify those who actually come in and do their job for them.
00:29:27.000I mean, what you've seen out of Los Angeles as well, crime plummeting there.
00:29:31.000Gavin Newsom, of course, denying that.
00:29:34.000And we're going to continue to do this across the country.
00:29:36.000But I do want to point out the death threats and the violence that our law enforcement has been facing.
00:29:43.000Andrew, an 8,000% increase in death threats against our law enforcement.
00:30:04.000They were getting bricks thrown at them.
00:30:06.000They were otherwise being assaulted, paint cans thrown at their vehicles, which can turn deadly when they can't see what's on the road in front of them.
00:30:14.000It's not just dangerous, of course, for the law enforcement.
00:30:46.000The federal government's immigration enforcement has been marked by violence and an assault on the dignity of all Chicagoans.
00:30:55.000I call on this council to hold the federal government of the United States to the same standards of accountability you apply elsewhere in the world.
00:31:04.000No country should be above international law.
00:31:06.000I urge the Human Rights Council to consider additional measures of accountability, including a special session to examine the worsening human rights crisis in the United States.
00:31:18.000Okay, so this guy has an approval rating, Tricia, of about like negative six.
00:31:22.000And yet he has the gall, like a total globalist, by the way.
00:31:47.000Oh, it's so embarrassing for him to be saying that.
00:31:50.000But by the way, where was he condemning the humanitarian crisis that Joe Biden and Maorkas manufactured down at our southern border, where children were being trafficked, hundreds of thousands of children missing in the system, likely being exploited, trafficked, many of whom are still missing today?
00:32:08.000Secretary Newman, President Trump have found about 20,000, and we're working very closely with Secretary Kennedy on that initiative.
00:32:16.000But where was he when there's 100,000 Americans every single year who are dying of fentanyl?
00:32:24.000And not to mention the violence that we see on his own streets created really by his rhetoric, his conduct, and the fact that he has a revolving door of justice, a catch and release policy that his sheriffs and his local and state law enforcement can't actually do anything.
00:32:40.000They'll arrest these individuals and the next day they'll go back onto the streets to re-perpetuate those same crimes.
00:33:34.000And then they run on to like Aaron Burnett's show on CNN and they cry victim when really they're impeding law enforcement.
00:33:42.000And there's whole networks that their whole job is to try and identify the vehicles, try and alert the community to stay indoors or whatever.
00:33:52.000I don't know what they're, you know, and they think they're doing this social good by protecting illegal immigrants.
00:34:00.000It feels to me, Tricia, that this is a pure violation of the law because they are impeding the work of law enforcement on purpose and they call it community activism.
00:34:12.000And of course, we've seen this with big tech as well.
00:34:14.000We see that there is these ICE tracking apps when they act like it's simply information sharing when really it's handing on a silver platter intelligence information about our law enforcement so that those criminal legal aliens, including highly sophisticated, ambitious gangs like MS-13 and Trende Aragua, can use that to target our law enforcement.
00:34:34.000And you made mention of this, Andrew, but I think it's really important for listeners and viewers to know is that it's not just our law enforcement who's being targeted.
00:35:39.000Once they kind of disperse into this loose network of people, I think we're going to see all roads lead back to a bunch of the same people and a bunch of the same organizations.
00:36:08.000DHS says a man drove up in a Jeep and fired shots at Border Patrol agents.
00:36:13.000Now, after shell casings and video were collected from the scene, multiple agencies tracked a shooter and a suspect is in custody.
00:36:20.000An illegal alien that has a past felony conviction for firearms.
00:36:24.000This suspect's in custody and they're pursuing leads based on this suspect.
00:36:28.000It appears he was in the Jeep and he was armed.
00:36:31.000DHS released pictures of federal vehicles damaged after at least four were rammed this week and others were pelted with bricks and cans of paint.
00:36:39.000And Border Patrol agents were alerted that the street gang, Latin Kings, directed their membership to shoot on site.
00:36:45.000Tricia, what is your reaction to that?
00:38:27.000With all due respect, only Charlie Kirk viewers or those who get clips of their timeline will see the old Miss VP clip you just showed on your show.
00:38:34.000However, the majority of the country will see and hear President Trump's comment on Laura Ingram.
00:38:39.000It was a disastrous interview, and the media will play it ad nauseum.
00:38:42.000Mikey, you are actually one of the things I loved about Charlie is he was able to take it a moment when President Trump sort of seemed to step out of alignment with the base and he would make sense of it.
00:38:54.000And I think you have that same ability.
00:39:07.000And honestly, what's best for Americans, we should be celebrating the fact that we have over 2 million deportations, that our southern border is secure for the first time ever.
00:39:15.000But also, JD Vance, going on the all-in podcast, and then also at Ole Miss, our campus tour stop, he's right on the money.
00:39:23.000So the administration as a whole is in agreement with us.
00:39:26.000But look, we're pretty in alignment with what we've been talking about on Americans' ability to figure things out with trade schools.
00:39:35.000And Charlie was a big advocate for that.
00:39:38.000That when Americans are faced with a challenge, they find a solution.
00:39:42.000And that's what it is with illegal immigrants, too.
00:39:52.000They'll participate until they find a job and are successful.
00:39:56.000And so it's, look, we're up against illegal immigrants that are going to figure it out anyways versus our American public that also are able to figure it out.
00:40:06.000And Joe Bob, your take on that when you see President Trump seemingly step out of alignment with his base, what's the productive reaction to that?
00:40:14.000I mean, by the way, we are back channeling.
00:40:18.000We're getting the messages through, folks.
00:40:21.000But yeah, from a messaging standpoint, what do you think, Joe Bob?
00:40:23.000Well, from how we should react is to try to understand where he's coming from.
00:40:26.000Like, again, I think Mikey hit it on the nose.
00:40:28.000The president wants what's best for the American people.
00:40:30.000And sometimes that might look different, but ultimately, his goal is what is going to benefit the American people the most?
00:40:38.000And in this instance, I want to go back to the same thing.
00:40:41.000Like Mikey said, we will figure it out.
00:40:43.000If we have a problem, Americans have the posture and the poise to figure out what that problem is and then identify or identify the problem and then act accordingly.
00:40:52.000And in this particular instance, yeah, we want Americans to have American jobs.
00:40:55.000And if that means more training and up in the ante and trade schools and anything that's going to ready Americans to do the jobs that are needed, that's exactly what it's going to take.
00:41:07.000Now, that might not be overnight, but over the course of however long it does take, I think President Trump will be right there with the base in understanding that these jobs ultimately want to be held by Americans.
00:41:46.000First, I can truly understand both sides of the H-1B debate.
00:41:50.000Yes, MAGA should mean America's first.
00:41:52.000But when we have a generation of young Americans unwilling to work and or believe no matter the job, they believe they should be paid six figures.
00:41:59.000Plus, one can see rather quickly why business folks want H-1B to be linear.
00:42:03.000I'm just going to push back slightly, Bill, with all due respect.
00:43:20.000And then for the really high-performing Gen Zers, they can't get a job because it's replaced by an H-1B.
00:43:26.000And then so to hear as a Gen Zer with all these things facing us that we're complaining and whining and unwilling to work makes us even more mad.
00:43:56.000He's a gen zero but, like the, when you, when you flood your market with cheap money, you debase your currency, you explode your asset values, your equity values, and then you, you basically flood the market with foreigners.
00:44:11.000That is a breakdown of the social compact, because you are not guaranteeing you are.
00:44:16.000You are giving every advantage to the incumbent economic position, which is typically held by boomers.
00:44:21.000Now, a little bit you know, when it started, it was the silent generation and now increasingly boomers and old Xers, and you are giving an advantage to the incumbent economic position at the expense of the next generation coming behind you.
00:44:33.000So there has to be a an, a better equation that is made, and this is why we're talking about a Gen Z economic moonshot, a Gen Z economic revival, because we need them to have skin in the game or else they're going to get radicalized.
00:44:46.000They're going to, they're going to go down the Momdani route, they're going to go down the Imagioni route, and they need skin in the game.
00:44:52.000How do you do that well, you get them to buy a home, you get them to get married, have kids.
00:44:57.000When you do those things uh, you know listen, we talked about the three m's.
00:45:01.000I I can claim the three m's a little bit with Charlie because I helped him come up with it marriage, mating and mortgage you.
00:45:06.000Those three things are called conservatizing life events by the Brookings Institute.
00:45:11.000When you do those three things, you become more conservative.
00:45:13.000Because you care about your community.
00:45:14.000You care about your, the clean, cleanliness of your streets, the quality of the education in your community, you care about the tax rate, those kind of things, Joebok you you, you're married with kids.
00:45:23.000You understand this well and I appreciate you calling me a millennial.
00:45:26.000I actually do identify as a based gen Xer.
00:45:29.000Uh, by by my own standard, spiritually gen X yeah no, but but that's exactly kind of the point we were talking about a little bit earlier is like, you're right, those are conservatizing, i'm not sure the particular version of conservatizing life events.
00:45:40.000Conservatizing life events, I would say my wife is a perfect example of this.
00:45:43.000She's, you know, tangentially related to the political sphere because she's married to me, but after, after we had kids, after we bought a house and paid property taxes and pay income taxes and then ultimately have kids.
00:45:55.000My wife, who is not exactly the most politically inclined person, is now all of a sudden super involved.
00:46:42.000I need a hundred thousand dollar job, you know.
00:46:44.000And and in order to buy a home in um, in the greater Phoenix area it's uh, I think, the medium home the, the you would need a wage approximately around the 115 120 000 a year range and so yeah, 100 000 six figure is not what it once was and uh, but you know they're all you.