The Charlie Kirk Show - America for Americans? The H-1B Debate

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:12.000 I am joined on set today by two absolute legends and rock stars.

00:01:19.000 This is just the start.

00:01:21.000 Mikey McCoy, chief of staff at Turning Point USA, and Joe Bob Ty Lafy.

00:01:27.000 Where's the other legend and rock star?

00:01:29.000 You're looking at him, man.

00:01:31.000 Joe Bob, Ty Lafay, host of Turning Point Tonight, which you can check out on Real America's Voice and all the other streaming podcast places on Real America's Voice.

00:01:43.000 And you're also a comedian, and you are a Turning Point USA contributor.

00:01:47.000 Welcome, man.

00:01:48.000 Thanks for having me.

00:01:49.000 Yeah, you have been, you were on with Charlie a number of times on this show.

00:01:53.000 So it's wonderful to have you back on.

00:01:55.000 And you're actually touring with Megan Kelly right now.

00:01:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:59.000 And that has been a wonderful and wild experience.

00:02:03.000 Obviously, you know, the only reason she reached out and asked was because Charlie was supposed to do a stop.

00:02:09.000 And so I can't, you know, take, oh, this is me.

00:02:11.000 I'm super awesome and great.

00:02:13.000 But you are.

00:02:14.000 I don't know about that.

00:02:16.000 But, you know, again, really, really appreciate Megan for reaching out and offering such a gracious role on the tour, but specifically because Charlie was set to do a stop with her later on this month, I believe.

00:02:28.000 Yeah, and you used to do the tour stops for Charlie.

00:02:31.000 I did.

00:02:31.000 I used to open up.

00:02:33.000 I always loved that about you.

00:02:34.000 I used to open up at the risk of going on a tangent.

00:02:36.000 Mikey McCoy, one of the greatest people I know, and also was the only reason that I ever would have gotten fired because at those tour stops, he would suggest jokes to me and claim, hey, this is what we want here.

00:02:50.000 And I would never be able to read whether or not he was serious.

00:02:53.000 But were they good jokes?

00:02:54.000 They were good jokes, but then I would go in and ask Charlie and he'd say, do not say that.

00:03:00.000 And I would go on with something else.

00:03:03.000 They were good jokes, though.

00:03:04.000 They were good jokes.

00:03:05.000 So you're also famous because at Berkeley, Antifa is in the news.

00:03:09.000 At UC Davis, you were taking the video of them smashing the glass, Antifa smashing the glass at our UC Davis stop.

00:03:17.000 What was that, 2023?

00:03:18.000 That was 2023, and that just shows how green and naive that I was.

00:03:21.000 And you were like, you got really close to them.

00:03:23.000 We both were.

00:03:24.000 We were there together.

00:03:25.000 It was me and Joe Bob.

00:03:26.000 Mikey knew better.

00:03:27.000 Like, I was pressed up against the glass.

00:03:29.000 It was like they're coming up to the door.

00:03:31.000 They'd broken through the barricade outside.

00:03:33.000 They were coming up to the glass doors.

00:03:35.000 And I was like, okay, cool.

00:03:36.000 There's doors here.

00:03:37.000 This should stop them.

00:03:39.000 Not thinking in my head that they were going to smash the glass in on my face.

00:03:43.000 I was standing back a little bit.

00:03:45.000 Joe Bob was getting hit with shards.

00:03:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:47.000 The best part is where Joe Bob just goes, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:03:51.000 Yeah, I believe Greg Gutfield made fun of that on his show later that evening because I was, again, kind of like, is this happening?

00:03:59.000 Yeah, and yeah, we've got some great clips of you and you and Charlie laughing it up, Joe Bob.

00:04:04.000 We should put these images up if you have them, just because once once we look at this, this is you and Charlie laughing, Joe Bob and Charlie.

00:04:12.000 I don't have pictures like this with Charlie because I'm not as funny as you.

00:04:17.000 Do you want me to tell you the story of what we were talking about there?

00:04:19.000 Yeah, which one?

00:04:19.000 That first clip?

00:04:20.000 That first clip, and I know the radio audience can't see it, but we're just laughing because so in this particular clip, I was showing Charlie all of the things that he would sometimes do wrong on campuses.

00:04:31.000 Because at this point in time, I was kind of mingling with the crowd, trying to get in with the Trantifa folks and ask them questions.

00:04:38.000 And Charlie, in this particular clip, saw me in the audience and waved.

00:04:44.000 As in, like, I know that guy.

00:04:47.000 He's my friend.

00:04:48.000 And I'm like, dude, I'm supposed to be incognito.

00:04:51.000 Yeah, because you would go out on campus as kind of the like you would present left-leaning.

00:04:57.000 You were like, well, I wouldn't necessarily, it was, it was, but you're not lying.

00:05:02.000 It was the racism in their heart.

00:05:03.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:04.000 A brown guy with earrings can't possibly agree with Charlie Curry. 0.96

00:05:08.000 Right.

00:05:08.000 And so, yeah, I was able to talk to people.

00:05:10.000 And in this particular clip, I was showing Charlie, hey, don't, don't do this.

00:05:15.000 Please don't out me.

00:05:17.000 This is very obvious.

00:05:18.000 Yeah.

00:05:19.000 And it's going to cause a problem for me.

00:05:21.000 Yeah, no, it absolutely was good to call that out.

00:05:24.000 And Charlie would love to kind of like mess with people.

00:05:27.000 And anyway, so we have news to get to.

00:05:29.000 And I think, listen, there's Epstein news, there's H-1B news.

00:05:33.000 Like, Dems are actually in disarray because the government's about to open up today, which is everybody's pointing fingers at them.

00:05:41.000 And we should absolutely encourage them to fight amongst each other.

00:05:45.000 I think that's really important.

00:05:46.000 But one thing that is very close to my heart, and I think it was close to Charlie's heart, I know it was, is this H-1B discussion.

00:05:53.000 So I want to play this cut.

00:05:54.000 And this is coming up now because, you know, Trump's talking about 600,000 Chinese students and colleges and H-1B.

00:06:03.000 And I want to get your reaction in the audience.

00:06:05.000 So please, we're going to be reading your emails here and reacting to them live on air.

00:06:10.000 So freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:06:14.000 Send us your emails, please.

00:06:15.000 Let's go ahead and play.

00:06:16.000 It's a little bit of a longer clip.

00:06:17.000 228.

00:06:18.000 This is President Trump on with Laura Ingram talking about H-1B visas.

00:06:22.000 Republicans have to talk about it.

00:06:24.000 And does that mean the H-1B visa thing will not be a big priority for your administration?

00:06:29.000 Because if you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of foreign workers. 1.00

00:06:36.000 We also do have to bring in talent when the country.

00:06:40.000 No, you don't.

00:06:41.000 We don't have talented people in there.

00:06:42.000 No, you don't have certain talents, and people have to learn.

00:06:46.000 You can't take people off an unemployment, like an unemployment line, and say, I'm going to put you into a factory where we're going to make missiles, or I'm going to put you in the middle of the market.

00:06:53.000 How did we ever do it before?

00:06:55.000 Well, let me know.

00:06:56.000 I'll give you an example.

00:06:57.000 In Georgia, they raided because they wanted illegal immigrants out.

00:07:03.000 They had people from South Korea that made batteries all their lives.

00:07:07.000 You know, making batteries are very complicated.

00:07:09.000 It's not an easy thing.

00:07:10.000 It's very dangerous.

00:07:11.000 A lot of explosions, a lot of problems.

00:07:13.000 They had like five or six hundred people early stages to make batteries and to teach people how to do it.

00:07:20.000 Well, they wanted them to get out of the country.

00:07:22.000 You're going to need that, Laura.

00:07:24.000 I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.

00:07:26.000 You can't just say a country's coming in, going to invest $10 billion to build a plant and going to take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked in five years and they're going to start making missiles.

00:07:38.000 It doesn't work that way.

00:07:39.000 All right, so it's a longer clip, but there was a lot there, right?

00:07:42.000 We're talking about: do Americans have the necessary skills in these high-tech environments?

00:07:47.000 I think that's ultimately what he's getting at.

00:07:50.000 And what do you do about H-1Bs? 1.00

00:07:53.000 So this is a hugely contentious issue.

00:07:55.000 There's people of good faith on both sides of it.

00:07:58.000 Joe Bob, you're not white. 0.99

00:08:00.000 What's your take on it?

00:08:03.000 Well, it's the second time I said that, but nobody got it.

00:08:05.000 I didn't get a reaction.

00:08:06.000 Hold on, let me put a qualifier in there as Libswood.

00:08:08.000 As the son of an immigrant, I will say this.

00:08:13.000 Can we have two thoughts in our head at one time?

00:08:15.000 I think this audience is smart enough to be able to have two thoughts simultaneously.

00:08:19.000 One, yes, we want these jobs to go to Americans.

00:08:22.000 We want these jobs to go to American citizens.

00:08:24.000 And at the same time, I think this is one of Charlie's biggest points when he wrote this book called College is a Scam, saying we are not educating the people in this country in the way that is going to be beneficial to their future jobs in this country.

00:08:37.000 So on one hand, I want all these jobs to go to American people. 0.99

00:08:40.000 On the other hand, we've got to fix our education system so that these people can be qualified because that really seems to be Trump's main point there is that, well, we don't have enough qualified people to do all of these jobs.

00:08:52.000 And I want those people to be qualified and be Americans.

00:08:55.000 But the problem is our university system and our education system is so bogged down with liberal woke nonsense that we unfortunately don't sometimes, and Trump would say it does don't have the talent.

00:09:07.000 And I think that that's possible, but it's going to take reevaluating where our education system is in order to bring Americans up to speed so we don't need to farm out or outsource any of these jobs.

00:09:19.000 Well, I completely agree.

00:09:21.000 We were big advocates when Charlie was around of trade schools, of tech trade schools.

00:09:29.000 I think there is a misalignment between our higher education system and the jobs that exist in the economy.

00:09:35.000 There is absolutely truth to that.

00:09:37.000 And by the way, robotics is coming.

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00:10:58.000 All right, I'm going to read some of your emails here.

00:11:00.000 Jan says, so which is it?

00:11:01.000 We bring in 20,000 Chinese to learn at our universities and then we bring them back to work here? 1.00

00:11:06.000 Something is wrong with this equation.

00:11:08.000 Jan, it's a good point.

00:11:09.000 I mean, if we're, you know, if we're bringing in people training foreigners to do jobs, the only way to keep that talent in-house is to let them live here. 1.00

00:11:18.000 And I think the base does not want that.

00:11:20.000 The base wants American-born kids to get American-made jobs.

00:11:25.000 That's almost as simple as that.

00:11:26.000 Rita says, I trust Trump's estimation.

00:11:30.000 I also believe that a plan to employ more Americans in these jobs is possible.

00:11:33.000 Patience will be required.

00:11:35.000 Erica says, I think it's probably a necessity, unfortunately.

00:11:39.000 We need China to stop sending fentanyl and to buy our goods.

00:11:42.000 So this was the trade-off, if not necessarily the safest, but we need the talent.

00:11:47.000 So with extensive screening, it might help until we can phase this out.

00:11:51.000 Susan says, love y'all, but Trump is wrong.

00:11:55.000 It was a little bit misleading.

00:11:57.000 It's love y'all.

00:11:58.000 That's the subject line.

00:12:00.000 And then it says, Trump is wrong.

00:12:01.000 Americans can do anything they set their minds to.

00:12:04.000 Thank you for what y'all do, I think.

00:12:07.000 Yeah, there's some truth to that.

00:12:09.000 And so we have to look at this through a lens here where President Trump probably could have said it a different way.

00:12:15.000 I mean, during World War II, you had wives literally building tanks and weapons.

00:12:22.000 Americans are resilient.

00:12:23.000 We will figure it out.

00:12:24.000 And we are hard workers, and there's nothing that will stop us from achieving success.

00:12:28.000 But then on the second hand, our universities are failing students in America.

00:12:34.000 They're not producing the best students.

00:12:36.000 And we are very impressive as Americans, but our universities and our education systems are not doing a great job educating us.

00:12:44.000 It's institutional capture.

00:12:45.000 It is.

00:12:46.000 So our institutions have been captured by the woke, meritless DEI left.

00:12:51.000 So excellence necessarily will be degraded if and when you inject those ideologies into our institutions.

00:12:58.000 So what you have, you need better institutions.

00:13:01.000 I'm telling you, mark my words, Mikey McCoy.

00:13:04.000 If we just deported all the student visa holders or all of these foreign H-1B holders and all these corporations who are the ones that are talking to Trump right now and talking to the admin, we need this, we need that.

00:13:15.000 We would find a way.

00:13:17.000 It would be painful and we would find a way.

00:13:19.000 So maybe there is a phase out that makes sense, but we got to phase this out.

00:13:23.000 That's my opinion.

00:13:24.000 Yeah.

00:13:25.000 And on top of that, too, I mean, President Trump wants the best for America.

00:13:29.000 And so he's looking at this through a lens that we probably aren't, which is just if the world has the best scientists and engineers, I want the best here in America.

00:13:39.000 And so he's maybe just saying it a different way than we would like him to.

00:13:42.000 I think we give him another opportunity to kind of clarify that.

00:13:45.000 But look, we Americans are resilient.

00:13:49.000 I bet on us 10 times.

00:13:51.000 Never bet against Americans.

00:13:52.000 Never bet against George.

00:13:54.000 I'm an immigrant and I am against the importation of most of the engineers working in Silicon Valley.

00:13:58.000 For years, I've watched qualified engineers being passed over for cheaper imported workers, primarily from India.

00:14:05.000 Well, the India thing is like another big touch point in this whole debate because India is by far and away.

00:14:11.000 I think it's like 70% of the H-1Bs are held by Indians.

00:14:15.000 You got 1.5 billion Indians on the planet and a lot of them want to come here and work.

00:14:19.000 Larry says, you join the military.

00:14:21.000 They train us after the Navy.

00:14:23.000 The company trained us to run machines, not a bunch of foreigners. 1.00

00:14:26.000 Thanks.

00:14:27.000 So anyways, that's so it says War Room had great input.

00:14:33.000 This is from Sonny.

00:14:35.000 Companies in Georgia, Hyundai Plant, hiring people on H-1B visas and having them live as indentured servants.

00:14:41.000 I mean, this happens all the time where companies will say, oh, we're just, you know, we're bringing these skilled workers and these people are living like slaves, basically.

00:14:41.000 This is totally true.

00:14:51.000 And we shouldn't allow that in our country.

00:14:53.000 Go ahead, Mike.

00:14:53.000 Yeah, just, I mean, it's also a numbers thing.

00:14:55.000 So it's just like you brought up India. 0.70

00:14:58.000 India's middle class, literally equivalent to the United States, is almost our entire U.S. population.

00:15:05.000 And it's just the numbers don't really add up.

00:15:08.000 You can't import enough people and just expect that America will stay the same. 1.00

00:15:13.000 But then on top of that, we'll claim capitalism, but it's actually corporatism, which is just, they're looking for cheap labor is what it is.

00:15:23.000 And it's a problem because it's also just like a violation of human rights that you're bringing in somebody because it's cheaper and they can do the job equivalent to you.

00:15:35.000 They can't do it better than you, but they can do it cheaper than you.

00:15:38.000 So then we'll import them.

00:15:39.000 I got an email here from Krista.

00:15:41.000 She says, hi, Andrew, Mike, and all the Charlie Kirk show team.

00:15:44.000 Want to start off by saying you're doing an amazing job.

00:15:47.000 Thank you, thank you, thank you.

00:15:49.000 She goes on and on.

00:15:50.000 Very kind.

00:15:50.000 Thank you, Krista.

00:15:51.000 But then she says, My question is about a very apparent disconnect between the MAGA base and what's coming out of the White House.

00:15:57.000 She's talking about H-1B visas, the economy, 50-year mortgages.

00:16:01.000 I know that Charlie was an advocate to Trump.

00:16:03.000 So a lot of people are talking about this online: that Charlie was the voice of the base.

00:16:06.000 We really did aspire to be that, by the way, to be the voice of the base and to make sure the admin was connected to all of you out in the audience.

00:16:14.000 That's still going on.

00:16:15.000 I would just say that, you know, look to some of the clips that are coming out.

00:16:19.000 For example, from JD Vance on immigration, right?

00:16:23.000 So, for example, this is a little bit longer clip, 40 seconds long.

00:16:27.000 186, this is JD Vance at Ole Miss.

00:16:30.000 These messages are in the admin still.

00:16:33.000 And so we got to kind of parse through the signal and the noise here.

00:16:37.000 186.

00:16:38.000 Let in about a million legal immigrants into the United States of America every single year.

00:16:42.000 And I think the evidence is pretty clear that a lot of those immigrants are actually undercutting the wages of American workers. 1.00

00:16:47.000 It's one of the reasons why the president of the United States is one of the reasons why the president of the United States and a lot of us in the administration have encouraged H-1B reform.

00:16:57.000 Because if you look at the H-1B visa, what it's supposed to be, what it's supposed to be is that you have a super genius who's studying at an American university, who's working at a great company.

00:17:08.000 You want that super genius to stay in the United States of America and not go somewhere else.

00:17:12.000 What it's actually used to do is hire an accountant at a 50% discount to an American citizen.

00:17:20.000 I don't think that we should be hiring accountants from foreign countries when we've got accountants right here in the United States that would love to work for a good wage.

00:17:28.000 All right.

00:17:29.000 So I listen, I am completely on board with America is for Americans.

00:17:35.000 But I have to put a piece of evidence here that we all need to struggle with here.

00:17:39.000 Go throw up image 239.

00:17:41.000 Joe Bob, you can look at my screen if it's if you need.

00:17:44.000 This is at UCSD's Math 2 course.

00:17:46.000 It teaches grade school math, grades one through eight to freshmen.

00:17:52.000 Okay, this is from the university's own report.

00:17:55.000 29% of students got 7 plus 2 equals blank plus 6 wrong.

00:18:00.000 So 7 plus 2 is obviously 9, so it would be 3 plus 6.

00:18:03.000 But 25% of the students got that wrong.

00:18:05.000 61%, a large majority, couldn't round 374, 518 to the nearest 100, which would be 374,500.

00:18:14.000 37% of students couldn't subtract fractions.

00:18:20.000 UCSD is ranked as the nation's fifth best public university.

00:18:25.000 And this tweet concludes by universities are cooked.

00:18:28.000 So there has been a degradation of our own talent development system, to your point.

00:18:33.000 College is a scam.

00:18:35.000 And we are seeing the fruits of that.

00:18:38.000 We are paying the piper.

00:18:39.000 At some point, the debt must be paid.

00:18:41.000 Well, yeah.

00:18:41.000 And I think just to reiterate, my priority would be to train Americans to do American jobs.

00:18:47.000 What I think I'm trying to say with the nuance between what President Trump is saying is I think we're just trying to understand where he's coming from, right?

00:18:54.000 That's that's, I think, my basis here.

00:18:57.000 But yeah, at the end of the day, if you don't have an education structure that allows students to be able to succeed in the workforce, then what is the education structure?

00:19:06.000 Like, okay, cool.

00:19:07.000 You know all of the genders and all of the you've colored your hair and you've done all that sort of stuff, but you don't actually have any skill, tangible skill to be applied to the American workforce.

00:19:15.000 That's where you need to reset the university system.

00:19:18.000 Yeah, we got an email that said America first means Americans first.

00:19:22.000 And I somewhat agree with that.

00:19:23.000 I totally agree.

00:19:24.000 I 100% agree with that.

00:19:25.000 And look, my grandfather, he had a he helped build the spaceships during the 80s.

00:19:32.000 And he had no skill.

00:19:35.000 He had no experience.

00:19:36.000 He didn't know geometry.

00:19:36.000 He went in there.

00:19:37.000 He didn't know any of this stuff.

00:19:38.000 And he tells these hilarious stories where he's like, I just had to figure it out.

00:19:42.000 Look, same thing was for me.

00:19:43.000 When I first started working for Charlie, I literally had no idea how to properly write an email, how to book a rental car, how to do any of this stuff.

00:19:51.000 We figure it out.

00:19:52.000 Americans figure it out. 0.76

00:19:54.000 Americans first. 0.97

00:19:55.000 America first.

00:19:57.000 Joe Bob, you are a child of immigrants. 0.95

00:20:01.000 I don't want to get fact-checked.

00:20:01.000 Of one.

00:20:04.000 My mom was from Southern California.

00:20:06.000 All right, fine.

00:20:07.000 I'm going to throw up image 184.

00:20:09.000 Charlie wrote this about a month before he, it was less than a month before he was assassinated.

00:20:15.000 He said, this is the social compact breaking down.

00:20:18.000 And he's reacting to a graph of estimated percentage of 30-year-olds who are both married and homeowners.

00:20:24.000 So if you go back to, it looks like, what, 1950, it was over 50%.

00:20:29.000 And then you fast forward to 2020s, basically, and it's less than 15%.

00:20:36.000 His formula for fixing this, mass deportations, stop the H-1B scam, dramatically reduce legal immigration, end chain migration and the visa lottery, build 10 million homes for Americans, crush the college cartel.

00:20:50.000 And by the way, not to work backwards from Charlie's list, but we've been talking about his book, The College Scam, which you should all buy and check it out because it's more relevant than ever.

00:20:58.000 Colleges have the lack of, I would just say, real training that is going on at the college level, training Americans for actual jobs, is really, really depressing.

00:21:12.000 And they get you into all this debt.

00:21:15.000 You are more worried about paying off your college loans than buying a house, getting a mortgage, things like that.

00:21:20.000 You delay these really formational life experiences like having kids, getting married.

00:21:25.000 Mikey, you got married young, and I love that.

00:21:28.000 You know, it's not going to work for everybody.

00:21:30.000 Sometimes you don't find the right person.

00:21:33.000 I have a lot of sympathy for people that don't get married young because they can't find the right person.

00:21:37.000 But we should be, I think, ratcheting up that expectation.

00:21:42.000 Start your life.

00:21:43.000 Start your life.

00:21:44.000 If Charlie's death proves anything, it's like, don't waste time.

00:21:47.000 That's bitter.

00:21:48.000 When you look back at your life and you look, I wasted time.

00:21:50.000 And we want to set our kids up so that they don't have to waste time.

00:21:53.000 They can get started right away.

00:21:55.000 Personally, maybe this is a story that'll help that situation.

00:21:58.000 My wife and I have discussed this many times.

00:22:00.000 We waited too long.

00:22:01.000 We were dating in college.

00:22:03.000 We were dating at 19 years old.

00:22:04.000 We didn't get married until I was 27.

00:22:06.000 I think she was 26.

00:22:08.000 And then we didn't have our first kid until we were in our 30s.

00:22:10.000 And we bought into the idea of, okay, you got to buy a house.

00:22:14.000 You got to do X, Y, Z in your career before you're ready to do all that sort of stuff.

00:22:18.000 And what I found out having kids now is I used to think I was productive.

00:22:22.000 I think the more kids you have, the more productive you actually become.

00:22:26.000 And so if you can get that started earlier, there's a tangible benefit to that.

00:22:30.000 And I am a testament to...

00:22:31.000 So is Mikey.

00:22:33.000 Oh, the opposite.

00:22:34.000 I wish we would have started sooner.

00:22:36.000 Like, had we gotten married three years ago.

00:22:38.000 I wish I would have had kids probably two years earlier than I did.

00:22:42.000 It's not a huge difference, but totally.

00:22:43.000 We're probably like seven or eight.

00:22:45.000 We should have gotten married sooner. 0.59

00:22:46.000 We should have had kids sooner.

00:22:48.000 And honestly, you know, career-wise, who knows where I would have been?

00:22:51.000 I've gotten so much more productive since kids.

00:22:53.000 Well, message received on the kids, guys.

00:22:56.000 Mikey, this is a nice little hint.

00:22:58.000 It's an intervention.

00:22:59.000 Yeah, but I will say, Charlie was the big reason why I got married young.

00:23:03.000 He said, when you date, date with the intention to marry, and then get married young, have more children than you can afford.

00:23:09.000 I am working on it.

00:23:10.000 We're going to get there.

00:23:11.000 And then we're working on you not being able to afford them.

00:23:15.000 Yeah.

00:23:16.000 No, but even like you just do it.

00:23:18.000 Do it.

00:23:19.000 Do what society tells you to do.

00:23:20.000 I will tell you that God will bring the provision.

00:23:22.000 What I've found in my life is that when you set out on big, bold, audacious things, the provision comes.

00:23:28.000 I'm not saying be reckless or anything like that, but I mean, it goes back to that interview that Charlie had with Tucker.

00:23:33.000 I think it was the first time we had Tucker at Amfest.

00:23:36.000 And he's like, you're about to go talk to our students.

00:23:38.000 It's like 2021, maybe.

00:23:40.000 And he said, and Tucker was like, have more kids than you can afford.

00:23:43.000 Take a job, you're not qualified, live boldly.

00:23:45.000 Like, you know, don't waste time.

00:23:47.000 And I think that those things are so, so valuable.

00:23:50.000 And I'm not even trying to wade into the Tucker thing.

00:23:52.000 We've talked about it on the show.

00:23:53.000 I'm not afraid to.

00:23:54.000 But what I'm saying is that's just good life advice.

00:23:56.000 Well, and two, it really sets your priorities up, right?

00:23:59.000 Because I used to, you know, climbing the career ladder.

00:24:01.000 Like I was a political consultant for a really long time.

00:24:03.000 I was running campaigns, doing a lot of quote-unquote big things in my world.

00:24:08.000 And then you have kids, you're like, okay, well, what I do doesn't actually matter.

00:24:11.000 This is the actual thing that matters.

00:24:13.000 Wow.

00:24:13.000 I am thankful and I am blessed for the career that I have now.

00:24:16.000 And I would push carts at Costco if I needed to to be able to support the only thing that actually matters, which is my kids and my family.

00:24:24.000 And so it really puts things in perspective.

00:24:27.000 Obviously, you get more productive out of necessity, but at the same time, you start understanding: okay, so none of the tangible goals I had for my life-you know, buying houses, getting moving up the career ladder, it doesn't really matter when you actually have the thing that is going to take priority over all of those things.

00:24:48.000 And I wish there was a better way to communicate that to young people.

00:24:51.000 Yeah.

00:24:54.000 If you're a listener to the Charlie Kirk show, you know that Charlie built an amazing community through conversation.

00:25:00.000 And that was online, that was in person, it was everywhere.

00:25:03.000 We're able to go very viral about what we're able to do on TikTok, billions and billions of views.

00:25:08.000 But it was one connection at a time.

00:25:10.000 TikTok offers opportunities for respectful exchanges of ideas.

00:25:15.000 And through that, opportunities for community, not to talk over each other, but to talk with each other.

00:25:20.000 On TikTok, you'll find creators who teach and encourage a carpenter passing on his craft, a mom explaining how to make a budget stretch, or a gardener showing us how to bring a backyard back to life.

00:25:31.000 Different stories, but the same drive: the desire to connect and to understand.

00:25:35.000 That's what makes a strong community: a common desire to connect, to find a way forward through respectful dialogue, building trust and feeling heard.

00:25:42.000 Freedom to speak what we know and hear each other out.

00:25:45.000 That's the power of TikTok.

00:25:47.000 It gives everyone a seat at the table, a place to speak, to listen, and to remind each other of what connection really looks like.

00:25:53.000 Conversation builds connection, and connections build communities.

00:25:59.000 We are joined by the great Tricia McLaughlin, who I've known for a long time.

00:26:04.000 She's been doing amazing work at DHS.

00:26:06.000 Tricia, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:26:08.000 Andrew, thank you for having me.

00:26:10.000 You put out a tweet yesterday that I think was amazing.

00:26:13.000 182, and I don't think it's getting enough attention.

00:26:17.000 I mean, your tweet went pretty viral, but just in general, I haven't heard enough people talking about it.

00:26:22.000 It says, we aren't leaving Chicago.

00:26:24.000 There's all these rumors that we're like thrown in the towel or whatever.

00:26:27.000 So you just wanted to put the line in the sand and say, no, we're not.

00:26:30.000 Since the start of Operation Midway Blitz in Chicago, homicides are down 16%.

00:26:35.000 Shootings are down 35%. 1.00

00:26:37.000 Robbery's down 41%.

00:26:40.000 Carjacking's down almost 50%, almost half.

00:26:43.000 So 48%.

00:26:44.000 Transit crime down 20%.

00:26:47.000 Trisha McLaughlin, you are probably the most capable spokesman for DHS.

00:26:52.000 That's my personal opinion.

00:26:53.000 You've got a lot of great.

00:26:54.000 We love Tom Homan and Christy.

00:26:56.000 I'm not trying to pick a favorite, but okay, I am because I think you're great at this.

00:26:59.000 But tell us, spike the football because people need to understand how successful this operation has truly been.

00:27:08.000 And President Trump actually took to Truth Social last night to point out these exact statistics.

00:27:13.000 And this is what the media doesn't want to tell you: J.B. Pritzker and Brandon Johnson, the mayor out of Chicago, failed to do their job and refused to do their job for years.

00:27:22.000 And Chicagoans and Illinois citizens were living in fear.

00:27:26.000 You just saw yourself, carjacking's 50% down.

00:27:31.000 We're the law enforcement on the ground who have been vilified.

00:27:34.000 There's been obstruction from J.B. Pritzker, from Brandon Johnson.

00:27:38.000 It's not just the rhetoric themselves demonizing and vilifying our law enforcement, the actual obstruction themselves, not letting our men and women into the jails to remove these violent criminals.

00:27:50.000 And yet, these are the results our men and women are delivering.

00:27:53.000 It really is remarkable.

00:27:54.000 And I know the Chicago Tribune and the New York Times would love to tell the American people that we're bending the knee and we're going to get up and leave Chicago.

00:28:02.000 Absolutely no way.

00:28:04.000 We're going to stay.

00:28:05.000 We're not going anywhere, but we'll also be going to other sanctuary cities here shortly.

00:28:10.000 Oh, oh, I love that.

00:28:12.000 Please feel free to break some news, Tricia, if you want to name some names, name some cities.

00:28:17.000 But I'll let you think about that for one second.

00:28:20.000 I also want to shout out, though.

00:28:22.000 It's not just Chicago that's having.

00:28:24.000 Go throw up image 247.

00:28:27.000 Trump admins Memphis Safe Task Force locates 101 missing children in 40 days, according to U.S. Marshals.

00:28:33.000 Throw up image 246.

00:28:35.000 Since Trump began his crime crackdown in Memphis, murder has dropped 52% and robbery has plummeted 69% per an analysis of data by the Daily Caller.

00:28:48.000 And we've seen this obviously in DC as well.

00:28:51.000 When you get tough on crime, criminals flee and they scatter and they stop doing the things that they've been getting away with with impunity because people are taking it seriously.

00:29:00.000 This is such a winning message.

00:29:02.000 Absolutely.

00:29:02.000 Go for it, Tricia.

00:29:04.000 I mean, this is just common sense policy.

00:29:06.000 If you remove illegal aliens, those who break the law, those criminals off the street, you're naturally going to have less crime. 0.95

00:29:13.000 And it is stunning that every single time, instead of actually doing their jobs and protecting the men, women, and families who've elected these politicians, instead they decide to vilify those who actually come in and do their job for them.

00:29:27.000 I mean, what you've seen out of Los Angeles as well, crime plummeting there.

00:29:31.000 Gavin Newsom, of course, denying that.

00:29:34.000 And we're going to continue to do this across the country.

00:29:36.000 But I do want to point out the death threats and the violence that our law enforcement has been facing.

00:29:43.000 Andrew, an 8,000% increase in death threats against our law enforcement.

00:29:48.000 We've talked about this before.

00:29:50.000 A 1,000% increase in assaults against our law enforcement.

00:29:53.000 We're just talking about, of course, the successes out of Chicago.

00:29:57.000 But just last weekend, a criminal legal alien was shooting at our law enforcement.

00:30:01.000 Our law enforcement was facing mobs.

00:30:04.000 They were getting bricks thrown at them.

00:30:06.000 They were otherwise being assaulted, paint cans thrown at their vehicles, which can turn deadly when they can't see what's on the road in front of them.

00:30:14.000 It's not just dangerous, of course, for the law enforcement.

00:30:16.000 It's dangerous for the public.

00:30:18.000 But where do you hear?

00:30:19.000 You don't hear J.B. Pritzker or Brandon Johnson condemning that.

00:30:23.000 You don't hear them condemning these foreign terrorist organizations who put bounties on our officers' heads.

00:30:28.000 You just continue to see them demonize our law enforcement.

00:30:31.000 Yeah, and we actually have a clip from Brandon Johnson doing exactly that.

00:30:36.000 And I want to make sure I pull it up.

00:30:37.000 This is Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson just asked the United Nations to intervene and stop ICE.

00:30:44.000 The United Nations, Tricia, 201.

00:30:46.000 The federal government's immigration enforcement has been marked by violence and an assault on the dignity of all Chicagoans.

00:30:55.000 I call on this council to hold the federal government of the United States to the same standards of accountability you apply elsewhere in the world.

00:31:04.000 No country should be above international law.

00:31:06.000 I urge the Human Rights Council to consider additional measures of accountability, including a special session to examine the worsening human rights crisis in the United States.

00:31:18.000 Okay, so this guy has an approval rating, Tricia, of about like negative six.

00:31:22.000 And yet he has the gall, like a total globalist, by the way.

00:31:26.000 What a revelation of that.

00:31:28.000 Just the nationalist, conservative populism, the like we love America, America first mindset versus the globalist mindset right there.

00:31:37.000 But okay, he's condemning you for carjacking's down almost 50%, homicides down, shootings down, robbery's down.

00:31:45.000 So what is he upset about, Tricia?

00:31:47.000 Oh, it's so embarrassing for him to be saying that.

00:31:50.000 But by the way, where was he condemning the humanitarian crisis that Joe Biden and Maorkas manufactured down at our southern border, where children were being trafficked, hundreds of thousands of children missing in the system, likely being exploited, trafficked, many of whom are still missing today?

00:32:08.000 Secretary Newman, President Trump have found about 20,000, and we're working very closely with Secretary Kennedy on that initiative.

00:32:16.000 But where was he when there's 100,000 Americans every single year who are dying of fentanyl?

00:32:21.000 What about that humanitarian crisis?

00:32:23.000 He suddenly is silent on that.

00:32:24.000 And not to mention the violence that we see on his own streets created really by his rhetoric, his conduct, and the fact that he has a revolving door of justice, a catch and release policy that his sheriffs and his local and state law enforcement can't actually do anything.

00:32:40.000 They'll arrest these individuals and the next day they'll go back onto the streets to re-perpetuate those same crimes.

00:32:47.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:32:48.000 I mean, they're nowhere to be seen on those because it's all tribal. 0.95

00:32:52.000 It's all our team versus your team.

00:32:54.000 Nobody's putting the American people first except for the good folks of ICE and DHS.

00:32:58.000 So we love you guys and we have your back 100%.

00:33:00.000 You know that.

00:33:02.000 I want to get into something with you, Tricia.

00:33:04.000 I didn't prep you for this, so I apologize, but it's something that comes to mind as we're talking about these blue states, blue cities.

00:33:10.000 You see this in Chicago.

00:33:11.000 You see this in California, where you get these volunteers on the left.

00:33:16.000 And what they do is they stock ICE vehicles or DHS vehicles.

00:33:20.000 And then bad things happen.

00:33:22.000 Rammings happen or the law enforcement feel threatened that their physical safety is being threatened. 0.76

00:33:30.000 And you see these scuffles happen.

00:33:34.000 And then they run on to like Aaron Burnett's show on CNN and they cry victim when really they're impeding law enforcement.

00:33:42.000 And there's whole networks that their whole job is to try and identify the vehicles, try and alert the community to stay indoors or whatever.

00:33:52.000 I don't know what they're, you know, and they think they're doing this social good by protecting illegal immigrants.

00:33:57.000 What is being done about this?

00:33:58.000 What can be done about this?

00:34:00.000 It feels to me, Tricia, that this is a pure violation of the law because they are impeding the work of law enforcement on purpose and they call it community activism.

00:34:09.000 You're absolutely right.

00:34:10.000 It's obstruction of justice.

00:34:12.000 And of course, we've seen this with big tech as well.

00:34:14.000 We see that there is these ICE tracking apps when they act like it's simply information sharing when really it's handing on a silver platter intelligence information about our law enforcement so that those criminal legal aliens, including highly sophisticated, ambitious gangs like MS-13 and Trende Aragua, can use that to target our law enforcement.

00:34:34.000 And you made mention of this, Andrew, but I think it's really important for listeners and viewers to know is that it's not just our law enforcement who's being targeted.

00:34:42.000 It's their children.

00:34:43.000 It's their spouses.

00:34:44.000 We see that on the dark web where your law enforcement children go to school is being put on there, where their spouses work.

00:34:52.000 And so they are targeting them at not only a professional level, but a personal level.

00:34:56.000 You mentioned the stalking.

00:34:58.000 We've seen quite a bit of that.

00:35:00.000 People even going taking to Instagram live as they follow these law enforcement members home.

00:35:08.000 It's something that the Department of Justice is working very closely on, but there's something even broader going on.

00:35:13.000 And it's who is funding these individuals and who are funding these networks.

00:35:17.000 Secretary Besson has been incredible on this issue.

00:35:20.000 I think we're going to get to answer and give that to the American people, hopefully here very shortly.

00:35:26.000 Yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt, but it's, you know, we're dealing with this on the Antifa front.

00:35:30.000 You know, after Charlie's assassination, I think that these funding networks, we're going to see complete overlap.

00:35:36.000 It's the same ideologies.

00:35:38.000 It's the same funding networks.

00:35:39.000 Once they kind of disperse into this loose network of people, I think we're going to see all roads lead back to a bunch of the same people and a bunch of the same organizations.

00:35:50.000 So I commend you're bringing that up.

00:35:53.000 And I commend Scott Besson Treasury for doing that.

00:35:55.000 I was actually over there.

00:35:56.000 I saw some of the binders that they're stacking up.

00:35:58.000 I want to get your reaction really quick, though.

00:36:00.000 This is Latin Street Gangs in Chicago are now ordering members to shoot on site when ICE is conducting raids.

00:36:06.000 249.

00:36:08.000 DHS says a man drove up in a Jeep and fired shots at Border Patrol agents.

00:36:13.000 Now, after shell casings and video were collected from the scene, multiple agencies tracked a shooter and a suspect is in custody.

00:36:20.000 An illegal alien that has a past felony conviction for firearms. 0.93

00:36:24.000 This suspect's in custody and they're pursuing leads based on this suspect.

00:36:28.000 It appears he was in the Jeep and he was armed.

00:36:31.000 DHS released pictures of federal vehicles damaged after at least four were rammed this week and others were pelted with bricks and cans of paint.

00:36:39.000 And Border Patrol agents were alerted that the street gang, Latin Kings, directed their membership to shoot on site.

00:36:45.000 Tricia, what is your reaction to that?

00:36:47.000 More of the same.

00:36:48.000 It's disturbing.

00:36:49.000 It's despicable.

00:36:50.000 We just saw bounties on our officers' heads for up to $50,000. 0.99

00:36:54.000 Someone's going to get killed.

00:36:55.000 And our law enforcement is all over this homeland security, FBI.

00:36:59.000 But we do need our state and local law enforcement to also step up and help protect our federal law enforcement.

00:37:03.000 Yeah, well said.

00:37:04.000 We need to stay on this like White on Rice.

00:37:06.000 I'm so glad you guys are on it.

00:37:08.000 Thank you, Tricia, for joining us.

00:37:09.000 You're the best.

00:37:10.000 We'll see you soon.

00:37:11.000 See you soon, Andrew.

00:37:12.000 Thanks for having me.

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00:38:25.000 Lois says Trump has the megaphone.

00:38:27.000 With all due respect, only Charlie Kirk viewers or those who get clips of their timeline will see the old Miss VP clip you just showed on your show.

00:38:34.000 However, the majority of the country will see and hear President Trump's comment on Laura Ingram.

00:38:39.000 It was a disastrous interview, and the media will play it ad nauseum.

00:38:42.000 Mikey, you are actually one of the things I loved about Charlie is he was able to take it a moment when President Trump sort of seemed to step out of alignment with the base and he would make sense of it.

00:38:54.000 And I think you have that same ability.

00:38:56.000 What, yeah.

00:38:57.000 Yeah, look, I actually think the president is viewing this in the same way we are, just through a different lens.

00:39:05.000 He wants what's best for Americans.

00:39:07.000 And honestly, what's best for Americans, we should be celebrating the fact that we have over 2 million deportations, that our southern border is secure for the first time ever.

00:39:15.000 But also, JD Vance, going on the all-in podcast, and then also at Ole Miss, our campus tour stop, he's right on the money.

00:39:23.000 So the administration as a whole is in agreement with us.

00:39:26.000 But look, we're pretty in alignment with what we've been talking about on Americans' ability to figure things out with trade schools.

00:39:35.000 And Charlie was a big advocate for that.

00:39:38.000 That when Americans are faced with a challenge, they find a solution.

00:39:42.000 And that's what it is with illegal immigrants, too. 0.89

00:39:44.000 They come to this country. 1.00

00:39:45.000 They have no idea what they're doing.

00:39:47.000 They don't know how to participate in this job market, but they'll ask questions.

00:39:52.000 They'll figure it out.

00:39:52.000 They'll participate until they find a job and are successful.

00:39:56.000 And so it's, look, we're up against illegal immigrants that are going to figure it out anyways versus our American public that also are able to figure it out. 0.99

00:40:05.000 Yeah, no, I agree.

00:40:06.000 And Joe Bob, your take on that when you see President Trump seemingly step out of alignment with his base, what's the productive reaction to that?

00:40:14.000 I mean, by the way, we are back channeling.

00:40:18.000 We're getting the messages through, folks.

00:40:19.000 Please know that.

00:40:21.000 But yeah, from a messaging standpoint, what do you think, Joe Bob?

00:40:23.000 Well, from how we should react is to try to understand where he's coming from.

00:40:26.000 Like, again, I think Mikey hit it on the nose.

00:40:28.000 The president wants what's best for the American people.

00:40:30.000 And sometimes that might look different, but ultimately, his goal is what is going to benefit the American people the most?

00:40:38.000 And in this instance, I want to go back to the same thing.

00:40:41.000 Like Mikey said, we will figure it out.

00:40:43.000 If we have a problem, Americans have the posture and the poise to figure out what that problem is and then identify or identify the problem and then act accordingly.

00:40:52.000 And in this particular instance, yeah, we want Americans to have American jobs.

00:40:55.000 And if that means more training and up in the ante and trade schools and anything that's going to ready Americans to do the jobs that are needed, that's exactly what it's going to take.

00:41:07.000 Now, that might not be overnight, but over the course of however long it does take, I think President Trump will be right there with the base in understanding that these jobs ultimately want to be held by Americans.

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:19.000 Well said.

00:41:20.000 This is interesting.

00:41:21.000 This is from dazzling Adonna, I guess.

00:41:25.000 I'm going on 70 years old.

00:41:26.000 My husband's 72.

00:41:27.000 We married really early.

00:41:28.000 I was 16.

00:41:29.000 My husband was 18.

00:41:31.000 And we have five kids and a bunch of grandkids and sweet great grandkids.

00:41:34.000 That's amazing.

00:41:35.000 I don't even know if that's illegal, but good for you guys.

00:41:38.000 Maybe wait till 18.

00:41:40.000 Bill says, fellers, Bill here, love the show.

00:41:43.000 Watch it daily.

00:41:44.000 Thank you, Bill.

00:41:45.000 Appreciate that.

00:41:45.000 A couple things to mention.

00:41:46.000 First, I can truly understand both sides of the H-1B debate.

00:41:50.000 Yes, MAGA should mean America's first.

00:41:52.000 But when we have a generation of young Americans unwilling to work and or believe no matter the job, they believe they should be paid six figures.

00:41:59.000 Plus, one can see rather quickly why business folks want H-1B to be linear.

00:42:03.000 I'm just going to push back slightly, Bill, with all due respect.

00:42:06.000 Every generation is called lazy.

00:42:09.000 I think that's just like, you know, it's a kind of a generational disconnect.

00:42:12.000 I would say that Gen Z and millennials are willing to work really hard.

00:42:16.000 I've seen it up close and personal.

00:42:19.000 They do have to sort of understand that there's real opportunity, and you have to pay them enough to live.

00:42:26.000 I mean, there is a lot of disconnect here, too, I think, generationally, where we tend to talk down to generations.

00:42:34.000 And sometimes we talk down to boomers. 0.88

00:42:35.000 Sometimes we talk down to millennials.

00:42:37.000 The only one I really don't talk down to is Xers. 1.00

00:42:39.000 I have to say, they're pretty based.

00:42:40.000 The Xers are great.

00:42:41.000 The Xers are great.

00:42:44.000 Gen Z is not lazy.

00:42:46.000 And this drives me a little mad when people say that.

00:42:49.000 Well, Bill's a good dude.

00:42:50.000 Bill's great.

00:42:52.000 But we're just a leveraged generation.

00:42:54.000 And people take advantage of our generation.

00:42:57.000 And we have record high credit card debt with crushing high percentages.

00:43:03.000 And then on top of that, BNPL programs and student wages.

00:43:06.000 Buy now pay later.

00:43:07.000 Yeah, buy now pay later.

00:43:09.000 And then on top of that, the job market's shrinking.

00:43:12.000 College grads are 58% of them are unemployed in their first year of graduating college.

00:43:16.000 And you have the AI revolution that's coming and taking a lot of those entry-level jobs.

00:43:20.000 Yes.

00:43:20.000 And then for the really high-performing Gen Zers, they can't get a job because it's replaced by an H-1B.

00:43:26.000 And then so to hear as a Gen Zer with all these things facing us that we're complaining and whining and unwilling to work makes us even more mad.

00:43:36.000 I'm just going to talk about it.

00:43:37.000 So yeah, here's the thing.

00:43:39.000 And we love Gen Z.

00:43:41.000 We love boomers.

00:43:41.000 It's all good.

00:43:43.000 There's just certain underlying...

00:43:45.000 economic situations that both generations experienced and they they, they are, they're talking past each other.

00:43:51.000 I think is a is a big thing and we have to understand and appreciate.

00:43:55.000 We're millennials.

00:43:56.000 He's a gen zero but, like the, when you, when you flood your market with cheap money, you debase your currency, you explode your asset values, your equity values, and then you, you basically flood the market with foreigners. 1.00

00:44:11.000 That is a breakdown of the social compact, because you are not guaranteeing you are.

00:44:16.000 You are giving every advantage to the incumbent economic position, which is typically held by boomers. 0.98

00:44:21.000 Now, a little bit you know, when it started, it was the silent generation and now increasingly boomers and old Xers, and you are giving an advantage to the incumbent economic position at the expense of the next generation coming behind you. 0.99

00:44:33.000 So there has to be a an, a better equation that is made, and this is why we're talking about a Gen Z economic moonshot, a Gen Z economic revival, because we need them to have skin in the game or else they're going to get radicalized. 0.73

00:44:46.000 They're going to, they're going to go down the Momdani route, they're going to go down the Imagioni route, and they need skin in the game.

00:44:52.000 How do you do that well, you get them to buy a home, you get them to get married, have kids.

00:44:57.000 When you do those things uh, you know listen, we talked about the three m's.

00:45:01.000 I I can claim the three m's a little bit with Charlie because I helped him come up with it marriage, mating and mortgage you.

00:45:06.000 Those three things are called conservatizing life events by the Brookings Institute.

00:45:11.000 When you do those three things, you become more conservative.

00:45:13.000 Why?

00:45:13.000 Because you care about your community.

00:45:14.000 You care about your, the clean, cleanliness of your streets, the quality of the education in your community, you care about the tax rate, those kind of things, Joebok you you, you're married with kids.

00:45:23.000 You understand this well and I appreciate you calling me a millennial.

00:45:26.000 I actually do identify as a based gen Xer.

00:45:29.000 Uh, by by my own standard, spiritually gen X yeah no, but but that's exactly kind of the point we were talking about a little bit earlier is like, you're right, those are conservatizing, i'm not sure the particular version of conservatizing life events.

00:45:40.000 Conservatizing life events, I would say my wife is a perfect example of this.

00:45:43.000 She's, you know, tangentially related to the political sphere because she's married to me, but after, after we had kids, after we bought a house and paid property taxes and pay income taxes and then ultimately have kids.

00:45:55.000 My wife, who is not exactly the most politically inclined person, is now all of a sudden super involved.

00:46:02.000 What is going on?

00:46:02.000 How is this going to affect me?

00:46:04.000 How is this going to affect my family?

00:46:05.000 How's this going to affect my kids and the future that they're going to have? 1.00

00:46:08.000 In this country, women change a lot when they start having kids a lot yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:46:15.000 And the other thing too, just with gen z, is a lot of people complain that gen z wants a six-figure job as soon as they graduate college. 0.96

00:46:22.000 Well, we kind of need it, like it's well.

00:46:25.000 No, to afford a home in the U.s right now, you need to make at least like 115 000 a year.

00:46:30.000 The median income in the United States is around 80 000 a year.

00:46:32.000 Now imagine, put yourself in the shoes of a gen zero graduating with, you know, two hundred thousand dollars in college debt with no jobs. 0.71

00:46:40.000 And so you're like to make this work.

00:46:42.000 I need a hundred thousand dollar job, you know.

00:46:44.000 And and in order to buy a home in um, in the greater Phoenix area it's uh, I think, the medium home the, the you would need a wage approximately around the 115 120 000 a year range and so yeah, 100 000 six figure is not what it once was and uh, but you know they're all you.

00:47:04.000 You also need to get to that point.

00:47:06.000 You need to grow, you need to pay, pay your dues.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 12, 2025

America for Americans? The H-1B Debate

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