The Charlie Kirk Show - America Must Shape Up, Or China Wins

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 China keeps rising.

00:00:06.000 We need to take it very seriously.

00:00:07.000 We analyze the rise of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:00:10.000 We talk about what is the end of history and Francis Fukiyama.

00:00:13.000 If you don't know the answer, you should definitely listen to this program.

00:00:16.000 It'll help you understand the rise of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:00:20.000 We then have Senator Mike Lee, and also we talk Epstein in this action-packed episode of the Charlie Kirk show.

00:00:26.000 Epstein, China, Fukiyama, and the history, Mike Lee, Utah redistricting, and more.

00:00:30.000 Email us as always, Freedom at Charlie Kirk.com and become a member, members.charliekirk.com, members.charley Kirk.com.

00:00:37.000 Buckle up everybody here.

00:00:39.000 We go.

00:00:39.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:00:50.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:51.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:52.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:54.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, turning point USA.

00:01:00.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are gonna fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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00:01:23.000 We had an amazing event last night in Visalia, California.

00:01:30.000 It's right in the Central Valley there.

00:01:32.000 That is where you get your pistachios from, your almonds from, some of your tomatoes, some of your citrus.

00:01:39.000 We had 2,700 people.

00:01:41.000 It was a paid ticketing event for Tulare Right to Life And they do they did a phenomenal job.

00:01:49.000 They could have had another thousand people.

00:01:51.000 Isabel Brown was there.

00:01:52.000 It was just a very special evening.

00:01:55.000 Just being around the grassroots, the support is greater than ever.

00:01:58.000 And the watch the Charlie Kirk show, they listen to the podcast, they see what we're doing.

00:02:03.000 So thank you guys and God bless you.

00:02:05.000 It was an amazing event.

00:02:06.000 We're gonna place some pieces of tape there.

00:02:07.000 You'll see right there that is 2,700 people there last evening in Visalia, California.

00:02:13.000 It just felt great being back out as we prepare for yet another ambitious campus tour.

00:02:19.000 I am going to an undisclosed location to a nation that I will not tell you tonight.

00:02:24.000 In fact, I'm gonna really set Twitter ablaze tonight.

00:02:27.000 I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna tweet out, I'm going to a foreign nation 14 hours away.

00:02:32.000 What country will do you think it is?

00:02:34.000 You're gonna see, it's just gonna be a fun tweet.

00:02:36.000 We're gonna do that.

00:02:37.000 But speaking of foreign nations, yesterday, something really important happened.

00:02:43.000 And all the headlines are focused on the optics and the aesthetics and the visuals, which is fine, but it's deeper than that.

00:02:53.000 Yesterday was the 80-year anniversary of Victory Day, or the essentially the founding of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:03:00.000 The visuals were obviously impressive.

00:03:02.000 Look, totalitarian countries, they do military parades quite well.

00:03:05.000 They're able to mobilize everything without any of the media clamoring or yammering.

00:03:10.000 And it was impressive from the nuclear arsenal to their investments in the military.

00:03:16.000 The Chinese Communist Party wanted to put on full display for the rest of the world, and especially it really was all designed for an audience of one.

00:03:24.000 The military parade was really designed for one person.

00:03:28.000 And that person, of course, is President Donald Trump.

00:03:30.000 The Chinese were doing, as you can see, propaganda of their bombers and of their aircraft. 0.76

00:03:37.000 They're investing billions and billions of dollars in their military.

00:03:41.000 Now, their military is still a fraction of our entire military investment.

00:03:46.000 It's still about 200 to 300 billion dollars a year.

00:03:50.000 However, you have to wonder, even though they spend a fraction that we do, they probably don't have the bloat in the waist and the government contractors that we do.

00:03:59.000 You have to wonder if they're able to spread that a little bit more than we do.

00:04:03.000 We waste a ton of money on our military, a ton of money on Lockheed Martin and Northup Grumman.

00:04:08.000 However, I think there is definitely still an admission from independent analysts that we have military weaponry and technology that they still do not have.

00:04:17.000 We pay soldiers a ton of money, they do not.

00:04:20.000 They're able to draft anyone they want.

00:04:21.000 They're a country of 770 million able-bodied people and a country of well over a billion individuals.

00:04:29.000 They have hypersonic missiles.

00:04:32.000 we may be behind on some weapons.

00:04:33.000 They might have hypersonic missiles that we don't have, by the way.

00:04:36.000 I'm putting these visuals up on screen here because we have focused on a lot of different topics mass migration, the Islamism rising in the West.

00:04:44.000 But I think what yesterday should be a reminder is a little bit of an early fall wake up call.

00:04:53.000 We already know that the Chinese Communist Party is a great threat to us.

00:04:57.000 But me even saying that is important.

00:05:01.000 Let's ask the very simple question.

00:05:02.000 What is China?

00:05:04.000 Is China our friend? 1.00

00:05:05.000 Are they a rival like Joe Biden called them?

00:05:08.000 Are they an adversary?

00:05:09.000 I think they're an enemy of the United States of America.

00:05:11.000 I've said it once and I'll say it again.

00:05:14.000 They have internationalist ambitions.

00:05:17.000 They want to expand their territory.

00:05:20.000 Now, does that mean I believe that we should go to a kinetic conflict against them?

00:05:24.000 Of course not.

00:05:26.000 But we need to start treating them at the very least like a serious rival.

00:05:30.000 At the very least.

00:05:31.000 The Chinese Communist Party just threw an inside fastball.

00:05:34.000 That was a brushback pitch yesterday.

00:05:36.000 And not only did they have that, they brought Vladimir Putin, they brought Kim Jong-un, they brought a lot of the other tyrannical autocrats from the region in a massive show of force. 0.79

00:05:46.000 Oh, there's the vice president of China.

00:05:48.000 I actually met that guy.

00:05:49.000 Can we get we should get that picture?

00:05:50.000 I I met I it was one of the funniest stories.

00:05:53.000 I think I told the vice president of China story once.

00:05:55.000 I think I told on thought crime.

00:05:56.000 I met him at the inauguration.

00:05:58.000 I went up and asked for a picture.

00:05:59.000 And then I think they um tapped my phone.

00:06:01.000 This is a much tougher rivalry than the Cold War.

00:06:05.000 And we just gotta be honest about it.

00:06:07.000 The Soviet Union was hobbled by a terrible, terrible economy.

00:06:10.000 You see, the Soviet Union, they were pure ideologues. 0.92

00:06:14.000 They really were.

00:06:15.000 The Soviet Union had a council of actual Marxists that refused to ever embrace market principles.

00:06:23.000 They were actual ideologues.

00:06:26.000 The Chinese economic model is a lot different.

00:06:29.000 It's far more pragmatic.

00:06:31.000 They're basically what works, what makes us rich, if we have to liberalize some areas, we will, but if we have to be totalitarian in other ways, we'll also do that.

00:06:42.000 The Chinese Communist Party's economy is still not as big as ours.

00:06:45.000 Still not.

00:06:46.000 The latest GDP numbers show the Chinese Communist Party's maybe around 18 to 20 trillion dollars.

00:06:51.000 We're around 27 to 28 trillion dollars.

00:06:53.000 We owe a lot more money, by the way.

00:06:55.000 Our national debt is way above the Chinese Communist Party national debt.

00:07:00.000 Remember, the USSR was a multi-ethnic mess, which is why it collapsed. 1.00

00:07:04.000 China is overwhelmingly Chinese.

00:07:06.000 They have some Uyghur Muslim problems and they mistreat them, but they're largely off in the rural areas. 0.89

00:07:12.000 And China is very nationalist, and China is in a moment.

00:07:15.000 You have to look at where is the moment in empire.

00:07:18.000 And next year we celebrate our 250th anniversary, our 250th birthday as a nation.

00:07:24.000 Well, since we're celebrating our 250th birthday, that's about as long as empires last.

00:07:28.000 It's about the expiration date.

00:07:30.000 Chinese Communist Party is at year 80.

00:07:32.000 I want you to think about where we were in year 80.

00:07:34.000 Year 80, we were fighting a civil war.

00:07:37.000 Year 80, we were still trying to find our national identity.

00:07:39.000 Once we got through the Civil War, we then had basically an uninterrupted rise to a superpower with, you know, industrial revolution, World War II, World War II, but we did not have serious existential threats to the homeland post-Civil War.

00:07:52.000 Once we got through that civil war right around our 80th birthday, approximation, then we were able to basically have a glide pattern up towards being the superpower of the 19th century, late 9th century, the 20th century, and of course now the 21st century.

00:08:07.000 Those two oceans and Canada and Mexico being next to us are quite helpful.

00:08:10.000 And of course, we've made mistakes, we've slipped in some ways, but we are still the world's superpower, and we still have this window of opportunity.

00:08:16.000 We still have this window where we have a great president, we have a mandate, we have a nationalistic undercurrent in our country where we need to have a very serious moment and say, what exactly is China?

00:08:29.000 Why are we not treating them in the way we should be?

00:08:32.000 Or maybe we should not be treating that way.

00:08:34.000 President Donald Trump had some very harsh words for the Chinese Communist Party today.

00:08:38.000 He said, I was not happy in many ways.

00:08:40.000 He said, I'm I was not happy with what I saw, and I know it was for me.

00:08:44.000 I was very impressed, but I was not pleased by Xi Jinping's comments.

00:08:48.000 He had some very harsh words today.

00:08:50.000 President Trump is rebuilding our military, but you have to wonder for every one dollar that we spend in our military, I would just conjecture the Chinese Communist Party is able to probably spend like 25 cents.

00:08:59.000 I bet they get way more bang for their buck on military spending than we do.

00:09:04.000 And we can't always see this in terms of money.

00:09:07.000 That's a very important thing.

00:09:09.000 This is about who is going to win and own the 21st century.

00:09:13.000 We need to see this in terms of real strength.

00:09:16.000 Are we innovative?

00:09:17.000 Are we merit-based?

00:09:19.000 Are we entrepreneurial?

00:09:20.000 Are we unified?

00:09:22.000 Are we strong?

00:09:23.000 Are we aspirational?

00:09:25.000 Forget all the economic data.

00:09:26.000 Right now, yes, we have the incumbent advantage.

00:09:30.000 Can we make stuff?

00:09:31.000 It takes all, I mean, just for example, we're doing this construction project at Turning Point USA to install a gate.

00:09:37.000 And it is the most bureaucratic.

00:09:40.000 It's taken literally like a year and a half to install a very simple gate.

00:09:44.000 And I thought I turned to my team the other day, outside of this whole victory day parade.

00:09:47.000 I said, in China, this would take like a week.

00:09:50.000 In China, this would just take a week.

00:09:52.000 You just wave a hand and you get it done.

00:09:54.000 Now, in some ways it's bad, it would probably not be up to code or whatever.

00:09:58.000 But China's, they're able to source rare earth minerals.

00:10:02.000 They're able to build new factories, they're able to roll out new robots.

00:10:06.000 We increasingly have difficulty doing those things.

00:10:08.000 Now, I'm not I'm not painting a dumerous picture.

00:10:11.000 There's a lot of advantages we have over the Chinese Communist Party.

00:10:14.000 But I gotta be honest, when I I went to a national forest, national park uh over the weekend, Sedona.

00:10:20.000 It's actually not a national park, national forest.

00:10:22.000 And there was products sold by the U.S. government.

00:10:24.000 This drove me nuts.

00:10:26.000 And this is not a criticism of President Trump.

00:10:27.000 You inherit it from Joe Biden, but we gotta fix it.

00:10:29.000 The Department of Interior is selling merchandise made in China.

00:10:34.000 Our own US government is selling merchandise that is made in China.

00:10:41.000 We don't make stuff anymore, but we should.

00:10:42.000 I want you to email me Freedom at Charlie Kirk.com.

00:10:44.000 What is China?

00:10:45.000 Friend, adversary, enemy, rival, competitor.

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00:11:39.000 In order for us to keep talking about China, it's very important that all of you in the audience know the name and the book, first Francis Fukiyama and the book, The End of History and The Last Man.

00:11:51.000 It was published in 1992.

00:11:52.000 Remember the context of when this book was published.

00:11:55.000 This book was published right after the fall of the Soviet Union.

00:11:58.000 This was peak neoliberal arrogance.

00:12:02.000 This was about the crescendo of the ruling class of the West that believed that this was the end of all human government, that liberal democracy had emerged as literally the final form of human government.

00:12:19.000 The claim wasn't that history literally ends, but that the ideological evolution has reached its endpoint.

00:12:25.000 No rival system at the time in 1992 seemed capable of challenging liberal democracy in legitimacy or performance.

00:12:34.000 We assumed the American way had won forever.

00:12:38.000 And I was raised in this context.

00:12:40.000 I was told by teachers, I was told by professionals, Charlie, the more that we trade with China, soon they're going to be wearing Levi jeans and having McDonald's in Tiananmen Square, and they'll be listening on their iPods.

00:12:55.000 And once they do that, they're going to embrace free speech.

00:12:58.000 They're going to embrace American values and they will de-radicalize and decouple from totalitarianism.

00:13:04.000 This book, The End of History and The Last Man by Francis Fukiyama, without a doubt, was one of the most important arrogant theses of the 1990s.

00:13:16.000 It set the tone for the American ruling class.

00:13:19.000 Because the wall had fallen, the enemy of the Soviet Union collapsed.

00:13:23.000 We did it without having to go to a kinetic war.

00:13:26.000 It felt as if we did not just win a war, but we won an ideological battle, and boy, did we get cocky.

00:13:33.000 Our leaders assumed anybody who came to America from China will decide America's way is better than China's and either join our team or fight to make China be on our side. 0.90

00:13:44.000 But if you really think about it, if you come here today from China, what are you likely to think?

00:13:49.000 Cities are filthy, they're murderous, they're dangerous.

00:13:54.000 And as we have declined in virtue in our country, it's much harder to have liberty when you do not have virtue.

00:14:00.000 When you do not have a virtuous people, when you do not have strong families, when you do not have people going to church, liberty quickly becomes license.

00:14:10.000 Bill Clinton articulated this best.

00:14:12.000 Bill Clinton celebrated the entrance of the Chinese Communist Party into the World Trade Organization.

00:14:17.000 I want you to put up the B-roll again of the mil the Chinese military, please.

00:14:22.000 The Chinese military with their tanks and their missiles rolling through the streets.

00:14:27.000 You guys paid for that.

00:14:29.000 This is paid for by the U.S. citizen.

00:14:32.000 This is paid for by your beanie babies.

00:14:35.000 This is paid for by your baseballs.

00:14:39.000 And this is paid for by your textiles.

00:14:41.000 Hey, that's paid for by your vitamin C and by your antibiotics.

00:14:44.000 Bill Clinton helped design this order, but this was all because of Fukiyama's argument.

00:14:50.000 This is very important.

00:14:51.000 Fukuyama gave them the arrogance that if we started trading with China, we would get super rich.

00:14:58.000 The economic elite would then be able to have more capital.

00:15:01.000 And then China would liberalize and the whole world would live in liberal democratic harmony.

00:15:08.000 That sounds so dumb when I say it today now in 2025, but that's exactly the context of which all these decisions were made.

00:15:16.000 World Trade Organization, NAFTA, play cut 393.

00:15:20.000 Bringing China into the WTO is a win-win decision. 0.97

00:15:25.000 It will protect our prosperity, and it will promote the right kind of change in China. 0.99

00:15:31.000 It is good for our farmers, for our manufacturers, and for our investors.

00:15:36.000 Encouraging China to play by international rules, I say again, is an important step toward a safer, saner world.

00:15:44.000 Now, instead of China changing, we've actually become more like China.

00:15:48.000 Not in the good ways, by the way, less free speech, more oligarchic governance, an untouchable billionaire class.

00:15:56.000 We became more like them.

00:15:57.000 They did not adapt.

00:15:58.000 They did not liberalize.

00:15:59.000 They don't have free speech.

00:16:00.000 You can't challenge the government.

00:16:02.000 You can't own firearms.

00:16:03.000 China is more totalitarian than they were either in the 1990s.

00:16:06.000 And this is where all the experts, again, which should just be completely discounted.

00:16:10.000 They're like, well, you can't have economic liberty without personal liberty.

00:16:13.000 Oh, yeah, you can.

00:16:13.000 China's proven you can.

00:16:15.000 You can own stuff and be hypermaterialistic and have no other personal freedom.

00:16:18.000 You can go to the mall and shop and do stuff and still not be able to go to church.

00:16:23.000 The 1990s, Francis Fukiyama End of History, Bill Clinton, the dot-com era.

00:16:30.000 We won.

00:16:31.000 And instead of entering the victory with humility, we also did the 1990 Immigration Act.

00:16:36.000 We opened up our borders to the entire world.

00:16:38.000 And now in 2025, we are reckoning with the consequences of the cockiness of the leaders of the 1990s.

00:16:47.000 So much what we are living through is because of the arrogance and the pride of a ruling class in America that saw the wall fall in Berlin and said, We won, baby.

00:17:02.000 Bring in the foreigners, import the plastic, make us rich. 1.00

00:17:06.000 It's the end of history.

00:17:07.000 Turns out history was just getting started.

00:17:11.000 Let's be honest.

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00:18:35.000 Joining us now is a great friend and amazing person, Senator Mike Lee from the wonderful state of Utah.

00:18:41.000 Senator Lee, great to see you.

00:18:42.000 Senator, I am going to Utah next week, a week from today, at the wonderful Utah Valley State University.

00:18:49.000 All are welcome.

00:18:50.000 You guys can get your tickets at American Comeback Tour.com.

00:18:53.000 Senator Lee, this is already making a lot of headlines.

00:18:55.000 People are very angry.

00:18:56.000 They're calling for my cancellation.

00:18:58.000 They think our permit should be pulled.

00:19:00.000 What uh this is a greater response than when I go to Berkeley.

00:19:04.000 Senator Lee, what is going on in the beautiful state of Utah?

00:19:08.000 Well, first of all, Charlie, I want to thank you for the work that you're doing on campuses across the country and for your interest in visiting Utah next week.

00:19:15.000 Uh you're you're giving students everywhere the chance to hear perspectives that they uh often wouldn't otherwise get.

00:19:23.000 Uh you've been on the front lines defending free speech, uh uh, especially where it's been most under pressure, uh, as it has been on college campuses all over the country.

00:19:33.000 And I'm so glad that you're bringing that fight uh to Utah State uh university and Utah Valley University next week.

00:19:40.000 Look, free speech shouldn't stop at the campus gates.

00:19:43.000 If anything, uh we we should have uh a heightened degree of attention and focus a heightened degree of protectiveness around uh free speech on campuses, because the learning environment necessarily requires open, honest conversations where different viewpoints are examined.

00:20:01.000 Our students uh deserve open discussion and vigorous debate and not just the same sanitized woke version that uh so many college administrators and faculty members seem to prefer and seem to demand exclusively.

00:20:16.000 Uh look, Utah's belief in open debate and free exchange of ideas.

00:20:21.000 What you're doing uh helps to ensure students get that experience.

00:20:26.000 Because if students can't handle diverse ideas in college, how are they ever going to handle that in real life?

00:20:31.000 So look, I I I hope and expect that your visit to Utah will be productive, that you will be able to speak, they're not gonna exclude you.

00:20:41.000 And I anticipate that once you're there, uh a lot of the naysayers, a lot of those people trying to exclude you are gonna see some real utility behind your visit there.

00:20:51.000 Um who knows why they decide uh uh to start these things, but each time they start them, and then you show up and do what you do best.

00:21:01.000 Uh uh uh uh people are enlightened as a result of it.

00:21:04.000 So thank you for doing that.

00:21:05.000 Well, it's gonna be fun, and I think some of these people that are getting very angry are gonna be very disappointed, because I am the same person on this program that I'm there on campus.

00:21:13.000 And if you disagree, you can go to the front of the line and we're gonna have a good chat.

00:21:16.000 It's American Comeback Tour.com.

00:21:18.000 When you show up and they're just your thought, please, and have opposable thumbs.

00:21:23.000 Uh, I I think some of them are gonna feel a little bit silly after the big to-do they've made of that.

00:21:28.000 No, that that that's exactly that that's well said, and and thank you, Senator.

00:21:31.000 Senator, I want to shift gears here to President Trump's truth social.

00:21:35.000 He said Monday's court order in Utah is absolutely uns unconstitutional.

00:21:39.000 How did such a wonderful Republican state like Utah, which I won every election, end up with so many radical left judges.

00:21:45.000 Senator, what is going on here?

00:21:46.000 Please take some time and go into some detail and explain what's happening in the great state of Utah.

00:21:52.000 Yeah, so Utah's electoral system is under attack by Democrats and and uh including their leftist allies in the Utah courts.

00:21:59.000 Um about seven years ago, uh, there was uh an effort uh through which Utah voters passed a law through a ballot initiative, creating a legislative redistricting commission.

00:22:11.000 Now, in the years that followed, the Utah legislature uh subsequently amended that law, uh, which it has the power to do under the Utah Constitution.

00:22:23.000 Uh in other words, you can make a law uh either through the legislature or through a ballot initiative.

00:22:29.000 Uh the power somewhat rarely used, but when it is used, it it runs on a parallel track with laws made by the legislature.

00:22:36.000 And so that the legislature can subsequently amend or even repeal a law that was previously made under our state constitution through a ballot initiative.

00:22:47.000 But uh Utah courts are now invalidating uh the legislature's amendments to that earlier ballot initiative and to Utah's existing congressional district maps, even though nothing in the Utah Constitution compels or even allows that result.

00:23:02.000 And even though uh one provision in particular, Article 9 of the Utah Constitution actually requires legislative districts, including congressional districts, to be drawn by the legislature.

00:23:14.000 Not by some uh nameless, faceless uh commission uh consisting of people who, as well-educated and well-intentioned as they might be, uh, have never been elected by anybody and and don't serve accountable to the voters of Utah.

00:23:28.000 So it now appears that Utah is likely to be bound by uh uh a process involving congressional district maps being drawn, not by the legislature, but by this outside commission.

00:23:41.000 And although the legislature still has final authority to approve any such maps uh under the uh court order that came out last week that maps of uh uh one way or another have to be uh more or less drawn by the commission, even though that constitution belongs to the legislature.

00:23:57.000 Look, this is great for Utah's Democrats who haven't controlled the Utah legislature in many, many decades.

00:24:04.000 Uh not because Utah voters um uh are ignorant, but because they don't like what the Democratic Party is selling and have it for decades.

00:24:13.000 That's why we have Republican supermajority uh uh margins in the Utah House and in the Senate, and why we've controlled the governor's office for decades.

00:24:22.000 Um, but now with this, they found a clever way uh uh to even the score by enlisting the help of their judicial allies.

00:24:31.000 Look, this is a terrible development uh for the rule of law for voters in Utah who deserve to have these decisions made in a manner consistent with the U.S. Constitution and the Utah Constitution.

00:24:44.000 Now, and make no mistake, this this decision, while being heralded by the left because they like it, because it's a victory.

00:24:50.000 These are cheap points they're scoring.

00:24:53.000 This will make the process of drawing legislative districts in Utah less accountable to the voters, not more.

00:24:59.000 Because that's what happens when you take that constitutional responsibility away from elected lawmakers and you give it to someone else.

00:25:06.000 It'll also result in maps that are far more generous to Democrats, and I think that's the whole point.

00:25:11.000 Uh is that they hope to pick up at least one seat, maybe two for Democrats in Utah as a result of this.

00:25:18.000 So it's kind of a judicial takeover of the political process, one that's designed by leftists to advance the electoral prospects of the Democratic Party in Utah.

00:25:27.000 And it's yet another example of how these independent commissions are so often used by the left to give an unfair, unearned advantage to Democrats in red states, one that they could never otherwise secure through the electoral process.

00:25:41.000 Yeah, so this is part of a broader redistricting fight in California and Texas.

00:25:47.000 Let me ask this wh why is Utah seemingly having this Democrat appeasing moderate streak?

00:25:54.000 Let's just talk more broadly about Utah.

00:25:56.000 You're a constitutional conservative, Senator Lee, and one of the best, if not the best, in the nation, and you have an amazing track record, and you're so good to your constituents and you represent your voters.

00:26:08.000 Why is it that in Utah, which is supposed to be this solidly red state, why give any ground at all whatsoever?

00:26:16.000 What are the influences that are seeping into Utah that seem to be changing the politic there?

00:26:22.000 Perhaps first and foremost, I think we've gotten a little complacent with the fact that we've had these Republican majorities in both houses of our legislature and uh the governor's office and so many of our other prominent elected positions in the state.

00:26:35.000 Um the fact that we've had those under uh uh uh re the Republican banner for as many decades as we have has perhaps uh um caused um many in the state to not be aware of what's going on because you have to dig into some of these details to see what's going on once something like this happens.

00:26:53.000 Then you add to that, Charlie, what happens in a state like mine, uh uh a Republican state, consistently Republican state, that has no conservative media to speak of it.

00:27:03.000 Uh, you know, we've got a uh a handful here or there, uh uh we've got a uh uh uh a handful of of great uh uh people on the radio, for example.

00:27:14.000 Um, but as far as our print media and our mainstream broadcast media, TV and radio within the state, uh we have no significant large-scale uh conservative or even right of center um media uh uh within Utah.

00:27:31.000 It's a pretty mismatched state in terms of the political views of the constituency, the citizenry of Utah, and the uh disparity between that and the news media establishment.

00:27:43.000 That doesn't help.

00:27:44.000 Uh uh, but but here again, just w with the apathy problem or the lack of awareness problem.

00:27:49.000 The more people talk about this, the more we can draw attention to it.

00:27:52.000 I think we can remedy some of that defect.

00:27:54.000 And I think what you're doing uh with your visit to Utah next week, which I applaud, uh helps to shed light on these things and helps to raise awareness of what's actually happening.

00:28:05.000 Senator, in closing here, I want you to comment on the CDC situation.

00:28:10.000 Senate Republicans express alarm over CDC directors' firing.

00:28:14.000 Can't imagine that you share that view, but if you do, I'd love to hear, because I trust your opinion.

00:28:18.000 Well, what is your opinion of what's happening at the CDC right now?

00:28:21.000 Look, uh my copy of the Constitution says that the executive power of the U.S. government is vested in the president.

00:28:30.000 Now, for that to mean anything, for the Constitution to hold up for the separation of powers generally to be respected, including this uh the element of separation of powers that's found within Article II, which governs the executive branch and the president.

00:28:44.000 For those things to mean anything, the president, as the head of the executive branch, necessarily must have the authority to hire and fire subordinates.

00:28:54.000 Now, some of those subordinate officers uh require Senate confirmation when he hires them, but uh there's no comparable restriction on congressional authorization to fire them, nor should there be.

00:29:08.000 Now, by statute, we have uh Congress has over time, unwisely and I believe unconstitutionally, limited the president's firing authority to these four-cause circumstances or or through career civil servant protection or otherwise.

00:29:24.000 And that's wrong.

00:29:25.000 The executive power is lodged in the president.

00:29:28.000 It needs to stay there.

00:29:30.000 And uh if uh CDC director or HHS bureaucratic president, they have to be held accountable by the president.

00:29:37.000 Thank you so much, Senator Lee.

00:29:39.000 See you soon.

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00:30:43.000 So it's been say a week or two, probably, since we've covered the Epstein situation.

00:30:49.000 We are covering a lot of other stories.

00:30:52.000 And the media, they they were waiting for this.

00:30:54.000 You see, Congress, they brought in a lot of the Epstein victims, and it's undoubtedly terrible what Epstein did to the underage high school girls and groomed them and sexually abused them.

00:31:07.000 They're bringing in all of these Epstein victims.

00:31:12.000 Interestingly, one of them is a man, so I don't that's breaking news, at least to me.

00:31:17.000 I don't quite know all the details surrounding that.

00:31:19.000 And NBC News thought they had their moment.

00:31:21.000 It is the media.

00:31:22.000 They want nothing more than to be able to tie this to Donald Trump.

00:31:28.000 They bring all of these Epstein victims, one after the other after the other, and they have their big moment.

00:31:38.000 The media is just waiting for a metaphorical kill shot on Donald Trump.

00:31:44.000 Amazingly, of all the questions they could ask, this is the one, but in some ways, I'm kind of glad they asked it.

00:31:49.000 In kind of a sick and twisted way.

00:31:51.000 I'm glad they did.

00:31:52.000 I'm glad they were able to air it out, because this was a swing and a miss and a media loss right here.

00:31:58.000 And this kind of goes to show that there's a lot of misinformation and half-truths that are circulating around this entire thing, especially in the proximity of President Trump.

00:32:09.000 So President Donald Trump has been thrown in to all of this unnecessarily.

00:32:19.000 So here it is.

00:32:20.000 NBC News, ready to go.

00:32:24.000 Try to get Donald Trump.

00:32:25.000 We got him dead to rights.

00:32:27.000 We got the panel.

00:32:28.000 We got them all lined up.

00:32:30.000 This is gonna be it.

00:32:31.000 The NBC producers, they're waiting and they're waiting.

00:32:34.000 We're gonna have our moment.

00:32:35.000 We're gonna play cut 400.

00:32:37.000 I do have to ask, and I know, uh and it's just something that I think we're compelled to at this moment, with the attention on President Trump with these questions around a part in.

00:32:46.000 Did anybody see or hear of the president himself doing anything inappropriate as it related to Jeffrey Epstein?

00:32:52.000 No.

00:32:56.000 The answer is no.

00:32:58.000 No, President Donald Trump was not involved in any of that stuff.

00:33:02.000 Period.

00:33:02.000 Hard stop.

00:33:04.000 So anticlimactic.

00:33:06.000 No.

00:33:07.000 No.

00:33:09.000 This is Cut 401.

00:33:10.000 This is another one of the Epstein victims.

00:33:12.000 Several of us as a team of survivors have been discussing creating our own list of names.

00:33:16.000 We know the names.

00:33:17.000 Many of us were abused by them.

00:33:19.000 And now, together as survivors, we'll confidentially compile the names.

00:33:22.000 Play cut 401.

00:33:24.000 Several of us F-team survivors have been discussing creating our own list of names.

00:33:29.000 Thank you.

00:33:35.000 We know the names.

00:33:40.000 Many of us are abused by them.

00:33:42.000 That's right.

00:33:42.000 Now, together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names.

00:33:47.000 We all know we're regularly in the Epstein world.

00:33:50.000 And it will be done by survivors and for survivors.

00:33:56.000 No one else is involved.

00:33:59.000 There is ongoing reporting, though.

00:34:01.000 This is why you gotta be very careful with this stuff, everybody.

00:34:04.000 You saw this with the Jerry Sandusky case in Penn State.

00:34:06.000 You gotta be very, very careful with situations like this.

00:34:10.000 Because you get a lot, you can get a bandwagon effect where a lot of people use half-truths to be able to get money from a guy that obviously had a lot of assets.

00:34:19.000 So you gotta be gotta have a lot, you gotta pursue evidence.

00:34:21.000 But you saw right there with the other previous clip.

00:34:24.000 I just gotta replay this anticlimactic one.

00:34:26.000 You gotta see this big wind up from NBC.

00:34:28.000 We gotta replay Cut 400, replay Cut 400.

00:34:31.000 I do have to ask, and I know it's just something that I think we're compelled to at this moment, with the attention on President Trump with these questions around a part in.

00:34:40.000 Did anybody see or hear of the president himself doing anything inappropriate as it related to Jeffrey Epstein?

00:34:46.000 No.

00:34:48.000 I could watch that on repeat.

00:34:49.000 That's the entire media narrative poof.

00:34:51.000 By the way, if the answer was yes, we would have heard this years ago if Biden would have been sitting on files that show Donald Trump compromised with anything Epstein, they would have released this a long time ago.

00:35:01.000 And I'm just gonna be honest, with a lot of these movements that we see.

00:35:05.000 We saw this with Sandusky, we saw this with others, and Michael Tracy on Twitter, quote, the British model and socialite who stayed in contact with Jeffrey Epstein into her 30s and who was ruled by a judge to have endured no illegal sexual activity, is currently speaking at the big Epstein press conference.

00:35:21.000 So you get a lot of hanger-ons, you get a lot of bandwagon effect, you get a lot of people in moments like this that are gonna try to either get money or try to ruin ruin somebody's character, and especially they'll try to ruin Donald Trump's character.

00:35:33.000 And you saw an NBC that it can't even do that.

00:35:36.000 You gotta use discernment.

00:35:37.000 You gotta use prudence. 1.00

00:35:39.000 So you gotta stay very cautious.

00:35:42.000 Remember the lessons of the Me Too movement, and remember Kavanaugh, remember all of that.

00:35:47.000 And just another one.

00:35:48.000 Again, a lot of the people I'm sure that are presenting at this press conference were harmed and have terrible situations of them.

00:35:55.000 Others, Juliet Bryant is an alleged victim who got money and says she was abducted by a UFO.

00:36:03.000 It's quite a claim.

00:36:05.000 In situations like this, I am coming at this from a perspective.

00:36:08.000 Number one, they're gonna try to, they're gonna try to smear and slander President Trump completely unnecessarily here.

00:36:14.000 You saw this with the fake Wall Street Journal piece.

00:36:16.000 You now saw this of the whole panel.

00:36:18.000 Donald Trump wasn't involved.

00:36:20.000 But additionally, we're starting to verge in the territory on this story, the way that it's going right now, where this is way too me too.

00:36:30.000 Where, okay, you're abducted by aliens, and you were kind of like in your 30s, who is ruled by a judge to have no illegal sexual activity.

00:36:41.000 And so this is bad for two reasons.

00:36:43.000 It's bad because the young ladies who were actually abused by this monster, Jeffrey Epstein, are now going to be looped into some of these liars. 0.53

00:36:52.000 And that's bad.

00:36:54.000 And then number two, it's also just bad on its merits.

00:36:57.000 There can be a temptation to rush into blind trust and a lack of healthy skepticism.

00:37:03.000 A lot of Jeffrey Epstein victims were adults, and that distinction is important.

00:37:08.000 Not all of them.

00:37:09.000 Jeffrey Epstein absolutely also engaged with underage people as well.

00:37:14.000 I don't know if it was both men and women, but men seem to be part of the panel, but at least women.

00:37:19.000 My take right now and my approach, and this is my contribution to the zeitgeist, is I cut my teeth.

00:37:28.000 I have the wounds to show during the Me Too movement.

00:37:32.000 During the Me Too movement, I learned a lot.

00:37:34.000 We saw the whole country lose its mind during mass hysteria.

00:37:41.000 So let's not do that again.

00:37:42.000 We need empirical data.

00:37:44.000 And especially if there are people like Michael Tracy tweets, this British socialite who a judge endured no illegal activity and stayed in contact with Epstein into the 30s, into her 30s.

00:37:57.000 Guys, that's not someone that I think we should be platforming.

00:38:01.000 And we just want the truth.

00:38:02.000 And a lot of this, again, it undermines the actual victims.

00:38:07.000 And then you have a gold rush.

00:38:10.000 And that's the problem.

00:38:11.000 This happens way too often in situations like this is you see a gold rush.

00:38:17.000 From Sandusky to I there's like 50 examples.

00:38:21.000 The Weinstein case, by the way, Harvey Weinstein is a great example.

00:38:24.000 Candace Owens has done some actually very interesting reporting on this.

00:38:28.000 I don't know if I agree with all of it.

00:38:29.000 She's actually really made me reconsider all, but the point being is that you have a gold rush in situations like this, where you have real victims at the core who deserve restitution and deserve justice, and then you have people on the exterior who present themselves as real victims, either for attention or money.

00:38:47.000 But the key today, and the big takeaway is that this was a major swing and a miss for the media.

00:38:52.000 They wanted to try to take out Trump.

00:38:54.000 The Democrats are desperate for a new narrative.

00:38:57.000 And in the most anticlimactic, lead balloon way that I've ever seen on live television.

00:39:03.000 No, wasn't involved.

00:39:05.000 No.

00:39:06.000 We're going to keep analyzing this, but I we're now starting to see the ghosts of me too past start to seep into this.

00:39:15.000 The language, the terminology.

00:39:19.000 And I think we got to learn our lessons from the Kavanaugh, from the guilty and two proven innocent stuff that we saw.

00:39:27.000 And that's not to say that every one of these individuals is like that.

00:39:30.000 But Juliet Bryan, who got money and said she was abducted by a UFO. 0.99

00:39:35.000 I mean, that's an interesting claim.

00:39:37.000 Love to learn more about that.

00:39:39.000 We're cautious, as we should be, because you're dealing with people's, not just reputation, but you're dealing with the truth.

00:39:45.000 And what you do not want, what will invalidate the actual abuse of these victims and the treacherous elements of this, whether it be intel agencies or all the other stuff, will be a bunch of opportunists that gold rush into this in a me too way to try to get cash or try to get clicks.

00:40:03.000 Try to get cash or try to get clicks.

00:40:05.000 Like this British socialite model.

00:40:06.000 I don't know who this person's name is.

00:40:08.000 Michael Tracy's reporting.

00:40:09.000 You guys can look at all Michael Tracy stuff at M. Tracy.

00:40:12.000 You got to be prudent.

00:40:13.000 You got to be cautious.

00:40:14.000 But at least my instinct feels a little bit too much like the Weinstein, the Kavanaugh.

00:40:22.000 This whole thing is starting to raise some red flags for me, guys.

00:40:25.000 It's starting to feel like much more of a operation that we traditionally would ask questions about.

00:40:37.000 It's kind of turning into a three ring media circus.

00:40:42.000 When there is money to be made by accusing people, accusers will appear.

00:40:48.000 So we need to be cautious.

00:40:49.000 We're going to call balls and strikes as hard evidence emerges.

00:40:53.000 But the big takeaway today, is that this is a big miss for those people that wanted to take out Donald Trump.

00:41:00.000 And final point there is a massive multi-billion dollar Epstein compensation fund.

00:41:07.000 There is a high incentive for people to say they were victims of him.

00:41:12.000 There were real victims of him.

00:41:14.000 A hundred percent.

00:41:16.000 But now we're verging on, we're we're blurring some lines, like this one socialite who was a judge ruled no illegal sexual activity, was an adult when they when she engaged with Epstein, and stayed in contact through his 30s.

00:41:31.000 We do not want hysteria.

00:41:34.000 We are anti hysteria and anti-panic.

00:41:37.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:41:39.000 The final point is many of them then want to extract money from wealthy people who will undoubtedly get embroiled in the coming fallout.

00:41:46.000 I don't know.

00:41:47.000 This is raising some antennas here.

00:41:48.000 Got a little red flags going on here.

00:41:50.000 Because I live through the nonsense and the carnage of me too.

00:41:54.000 Let us not participate in that kind of circus.

00:41:56.000 Let's be prudent.

00:41:57.000 Let's look at the evidence.

00:41:58.000 Let's weigh it, give everybody due process, and that's our take.

00:42:03.000 Big swing and a miss for those trying to take out Donald Trump.

00:42:06.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:42:07.000 Email us as always, Freedom at Charlie Kirk.com.

00:42:09.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 03, 2025

America Must Shape Up, Or China Wins

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