The Charlie Kirk Show - America's Four Great Awakenings—LIVE from Dream City Church

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00:01:11.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:22.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:23.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:24.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:32.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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00:02:33.000 Well, I'm thrilled to be here today.

00:02:35.000 I want to say hi to all of our Turning Point USA team here.

00:02:40.000 We have our headquarters right down the street.

00:02:42.000 And I grew up in Illinois.

00:02:45.000 And the fun thing about being from Illinois is we have term limits in Illinois.

00:02:48.000 It's one term in office, one term in jail.

00:02:50.000 Right?

00:02:51.000 Right, Barry?

00:02:52.000 You know all about that.

00:02:53.000 And I came here to Arizona because I wanted it to, I thought it was a freedom-loving state, and it was at the time.

00:03:00.000 And I think we all agree as we look around our state, we're like, whoa, this is not what I remember.

00:03:05.000 It's not what I moved to.

00:03:07.000 And all of a sudden, for the first time, there's people that are saying, I'm leaving.

00:03:11.000 And just in this last couple months, legalizing marijuana, highest taxes in the country.

00:03:17.000 We're starting to see curriculum taught in our schools here that is totally outside of values that we share.

00:03:23.000 And we're talking, we're trying to ask ourselves the question, what's happening here in the state of Arizona?

00:03:28.000 And so Eric and I are getting married May 8th.

00:03:30.000 We're very excited here in Arizona.

00:03:33.000 And I am not going to be able to live with myself if we have our office in Arizona and if we're spending our time here and we're not doing everything we possibly can to impact the city and the nation and the state around us.

00:03:48.000 Because this state right here, as people know, this is, as Arizona goes, now the nation goes.

00:03:53.000 This is a state where, depending on the values and the decisions of every person in this room and in this area, the entire nation goes that direction.

00:04:02.000 So, some churches are saying, we're not getting involved in this stuff.

00:04:05.000 We're just doing nothing but the gospel.

00:04:07.000 Now, first of all, we all do the gospel every single day.

00:04:10.000 The gospel is all-encompassing.

00:04:12.000 It's salt and light.

00:04:13.000 It's not compartmentalized.

00:04:15.000 It's comprehensive.

00:04:16.000 It's in every arena.

00:04:17.000 It's in sports.

00:04:18.000 It's in athletics.

00:04:19.000 It's in marriage ministries.

00:04:20.000 And yes, it's in civics and in government.

00:04:23.000 I think some Christians and churches are afraid to get into this for two reasons.

00:04:26.000 Number one, they're afraid that it's going to be too controversial.

00:04:30.000 Well, the word of God is kind of controversial, isn't it?

00:04:32.000 It's true. 1.00

00:04:33.000 It's inerrant.

00:04:34.000 There's one way, one truth, one life.

00:04:36.000 It's uncompromising.

00:04:38.000 And so I think that's a little bit of a cop-out.

00:04:41.000 The second is, I think people are afraid.

00:04:43.000 They're afraid that they're going to lose tithes and offerings and they're going to lose attendance.

00:04:48.000 First of all, why does that matter?

00:04:50.000 But other thought is it's actually the opposite.

00:04:53.000 I think a lot of people in the church today are looking for moral clarity.

00:04:57.000 I think a lot of people are coming to the church and they're saying, hey, the world around me is confusing.

00:05:02.000 My 14-year-old is being taught that there's no difference between men and women, is there?

00:05:08.000 And if a church is not willing to use biblical truth and to offer clarity, then all of a sudden people are going to say, I'm not looking to the church for much of anything anymore.

00:05:17.000 And so where we are as a nation right now, dare I say we're at a turning point in our nation.

00:05:22.000 But I also believe that it's a decision point.

00:05:25.000 You know, in the Bible, in Mark in particular, the Greeks had many different words for time.

00:05:30.000 The Greeks had different words for love as well.

00:05:33.000 I'm sure you guys have covered that very well, Agape, Phileo, Eros, Thorge, just name a couple.

00:05:38.000 But also the Greeks had a couple words for time.

00:05:41.000 For example, first there's Kronos, where we get the word chronological from, and then Kairos.

00:05:46.000 Two totally different ideas for time.

00:05:48.000 So Kronos is, hey, what time is it?

00:05:50.000 What day is it?

00:05:51.000 Kairos is a completely different type of time.

00:05:53.000 It's in a decision moment.

00:05:55.000 It's a time that's built different than others.

00:05:58.000 I really believe that we're in a time that's more consequential than that even 10 years ago or 15 years ago.

00:06:04.000 And the Bible tells us this, that it's a linear time, as you talked about previously, Luke, which is exactly right.

00:06:09.000 We do not believe in a cyclical or a circle, but we believe in a linear way of looking at time.

00:06:14.000 But this time right now is a Kairos moment where we're going to be tested, where the body of Christ, for the bride of Christ, for the church, is going to be asked the question: are you going to contest for moral righteousness in the public square when it matters most?

00:06:26.000 When you might lose friends, when people start saying you're a bad person because all of a sudden you want to speak moral clarity into these issues.

00:06:34.000 And this is where the church is supposed to take its proper role.

00:06:38.000 And if you look all throughout the Old Testament, Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Joseph, just to name a couple, counselors to the king, the people that, the people, the heroes that we look in the scriptures that go to government, that go to our leaders and say, this is what is right and this is what is wrong.

00:06:55.000 And so this is the time for the church.

00:06:56.000 This is the Kairos moment for the church where we must step up and we must speak moral clarity for our nation.

00:07:03.000 It's so good.

00:07:07.000 So about a month ago, we went to our church board and we said we have an opportunity before us to really make a difference to really impact the young people of our city.

00:07:16.000 And we shared about what we're wanting to do in partnership with Charlie and to hold a specific night here once a month.

00:07:26.000 And we're going to call this night Freedom Square, where people can come all the valley and fill this place and talk about the issues they're dealing with in their school, in their workplace, and speak truth into these issues.

00:07:40.000 And so starting on May 4th, we are starting a brand new extension ministry here at the church.

00:07:45.000 It's called Freedom Square.

00:07:48.000 And you're all invited to come, bring your friends.

00:07:52.000 Now, we don't mind preaching to the choir, you know, or preaching to the choir for the most point here this morning.

00:07:58.000 We also want to bring free thinkers, your neighbors, your young people, who are still trying to figure out what truth is and how to stand in this day and age that we live in.

00:08:09.000 We want you to bring them to this place and we're going to talk about the very issues that they're battling with every single day in their school.

00:08:16.000 So, we're believing this is truly going to have an impact on the state of Arizona.

00:08:20.000 Talk a little bit more about Freedom Square, and then we're going to turn him loose for about 30 minutes to share right from the start.

00:08:26.000 Well, thank you.

00:08:26.000 And I wanted to say this about the Barnetts: power shows the men.

00:08:31.000 Aristotle famously said that.

00:08:33.000 And I think pressure shows the men.

00:08:35.000 So, when things get tough, you get to find out what people are made of.

00:08:38.000 I think that the last year we learned that, right?

00:08:40.000 When things are tough, you get to see who people really are.

00:08:43.000 Well, I got to see who the Barnetts really were.

00:08:46.000 So, I'll tell the abbreviated version of this story.

00:08:49.000 Things were locked down.

00:08:51.000 It was uncertain what was happening.

00:08:53.000 And I actually met the Barnetts on an airplane flying from Miami to Phoenix about a year and a half ago.

00:09:00.000 And we immediately hit it off, and we had a wonderful time.

00:09:02.000 And I came to this church and I was blown away.

00:09:05.000 And we had an opportunity to host an event with a certain speaker.

00:09:08.000 And that could draw a crowd.

00:09:12.000 And that's all I'm saying.

00:09:16.000 And look, it was a time where people wanted to gather.

00:09:19.000 It was difficult.

00:09:20.000 All sorts of stuff.

00:09:21.000 And I asked Dream City, and you guys said yes.

00:09:24.000 And it got tough.

00:09:25.000 There was pressure from the public and everything.

00:09:27.000 And your leaders here didn't give an inch.

00:09:30.000 They leaned in.

00:09:30.000 They did not succumb to cancel culture.

00:09:33.000 And they were amazing.

00:09:34.000 And that's courage.

00:09:36.000 That's courage.

00:09:37.000 And that's the right thing.

00:09:38.000 And I was blown away.

00:09:40.000 I said, whatever it is, I want to do something again with them again because I have been trained to be disappointed.

00:09:45.000 Like just you get calls, some universities call, you're under attack here.

00:09:49.000 And it was so amazing.

00:09:49.000 It's like, wait, they're going to stand with us?

00:09:51.000 They're actually, they're not going to just pull our contract.

00:09:54.000 They're not going to cancel us.

00:09:55.000 It was so rare.

00:09:56.000 It was like, oh, my goodness, someone's actually willing to fight for something in our country.

00:10:01.000 It was amazing.

00:10:02.000 No, seriously.

00:10:03.000 And I was so touched by that.

00:10:05.000 And a lot of you remember that moment, and it was really special.

00:10:08.000 And so I moved.

00:10:09.000 And I know what you guys are made of because that was incredible.

00:10:13.000 And so this is why we're doing it.

00:10:15.000 People have questions.

00:10:16.000 And you should have questions.

00:10:18.000 I do this for a living.

00:10:19.000 I do three hours of radio a day.

00:10:21.000 I do two podcasts a day.

00:10:22.000 I give over 300 speeches a year and I spend two hours of my phone off every day learning and reading and listening.

00:10:28.000 So this is my full-time job.

00:10:29.000 I get it if you're confused about what's happening in the country.

00:10:33.000 What does the Bible say about this?

00:10:35.000 That's okay.

00:10:36.000 Bring your questions.

00:10:37.000 Bring an open mind.

00:10:38.000 That's what we're not, we do not even begin to say that we have all the answers, but we have really good starting points.

00:10:45.000 We have good places where conversations can be started.

00:10:47.000 I think you can think differently about these issues.

00:10:49.000 Because what I find, and I've spoken over 50 churches in the last year, from Steve Smotherman's church to the great Juergen's church to many others, is that the body of Christ is hungry for knowledge.

00:11:00.000 They're hungry for what to do.

00:11:02.000 They're hungry to say, Charlie, I know something isn't right in my soul.

00:11:06.000 That's the spirit telling you, but I can't always find the words to articulate it to my friends.

00:11:10.000 I can't always find the scriptures to reinforce it.

00:11:13.000 And that's what we're trying to do here.

00:11:15.000 And it really goes after a verse in Jeremiah that I'm going to share in a second, which is to seek for the welfare.

00:11:20.000 And those are two Hebrew words.

00:11:21.000 We're going to go through them.

00:11:22.000 For the nation or the city of which you are in.

00:11:24.000 Guys, we're losing Arizona.

00:11:25.000 And I don't mean politically.

00:11:26.000 Forget the politics.

00:11:27.000 I'm talking about values.

00:11:29.000 You guys know it.

00:11:30.000 You drive down Scottsdale Road and you're seeing things you've never seen before, right?

00:11:35.000 You're in the communities.

00:11:36.000 You're like, wait a second, something's changing here.

00:11:38.000 And it's not the Arizona that it used to be.

00:11:40.000 And that also involves the public square, the ecclesia.

00:11:43.000 And we want to be solution-oriented, right?

00:11:45.000 One of my biggest complaints is when people just complain.

00:11:50.000 When they just talk about everything wrong, I'm like, hey, let's do something about it.

00:11:53.000 We're in this beautiful state.

00:11:55.000 We have this beautiful facility and the Barnetts and the leadership team here.

00:11:59.000 And everyone on staff has just been unbelievable.

00:12:01.000 They said, you know what?

00:12:02.000 We want to be part of that solution.

00:12:03.000 We want to be the place that opens the doors.

00:12:05.000 And it's a ministry opportunity, everybody, because believe it or not, there's people that would call themselves conservatives, but they're not yet Christians.

00:12:13.000 What a great ministry opportunity to say, hey, I know you agree with me politically.

00:12:16.000 You're not yet a Christian.

00:12:17.000 Let's open the doors and have you come to the church and hear from this. 0.83

00:12:20.000 And I could tell you this: it's the Galatians 3 model.

00:12:23.000 You know, our whole podcast team is over there.

00:12:26.000 They get the emails just like I do.

00:12:28.000 And there are people that are giving their life to Christ that were burned by the church 10 years ago.

00:12:32.000 But you know what?

00:12:33.000 They saw something I said and they said, I like the way he thinks.

00:12:36.000 I'm going to listen more.

00:12:37.000 And they started drinking from the streams of liberty and they wanted to find its source because liberty is not man's idea.

00:12:42.000 It's God's idea.

00:12:43.000 And the Galatians 3 model is this.

00:12:46.000 The Galatians 3 model is that the law, the teachings of civil government and self-government, keeps you in place until faith or revelation comes.

00:12:54.000 So amazingly, in the reverse of what people are telling you, this is actually going to help bring people to Christ.

00:13:00.000 Is that we're going to open the doors of the church.

00:13:02.000 We're going to say, tell us what you're hearing in your schools.

00:13:04.000 Tell us what your concerns are.

00:13:05.000 And there'll be a teaching.

00:13:07.000 First movie, Luke and I. We're going to bring in some of the biggest speakers you can imagine.

00:13:10.000 You guys have seen our conferences at turning point.

00:13:12.000 Imagine us bringing that into the church, but it's always going to be around a biblical framework, always.

00:13:17.000 And there will always be a call to action for people to give their lives to Christ.

00:13:20.000 But I think, and I know, in fact, I see it in this church and other churches, the churches that offer this in one shape or form-Rob McCoy's Church, James Cadiz, Steve Smotherman, Juergen, Troy Maxwell, is that the body of Christ digs deeper.

00:13:34.000 The body of Christ says, Now I see the intersection of my faith and the action in that Kairos.

00:13:40.000 So circled on your calendars, everybody, we want to pack this place up. 0.80

00:13:43.000 And it's going to be every Monday, every month, first Tuesday, every month, starting on May 4th.

00:13:47.000 I got a 30-minute, 30-second comment here.

00:13:51.000 And that is, we have a pastor's conference every year.

00:13:54.000 And over the years, we've had 250,000 pastors that have attended this conference.

00:14:00.000 They're going to be here.

00:14:02.000 We have a chance now to literally change America through Pastor School to get this message out and say the church doesn't have to be afraid.

00:14:12.000 And I got to just throw this in here.

00:14:14.000 I am so proud of my son.

00:14:16.000 He's the toughest guy that I've ever met.

00:14:20.000 He's a tough guy.

00:14:23.000 I'm just going to keep it going.

00:14:24.000 I am so proud of Charlie Kirk.

00:14:26.000 We love you.

00:14:27.000 We stand with you.

00:14:28.000 We are friends who won't just pray for you, but we will fight for you.

00:14:31.000 That's what friends do.

00:14:32.000 It's helping.

00:14:33.000 Come on, one more time.

00:14:34.000 Welcome, Charlie. 0.73

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00:15:43.000 I just want to say again, the Barnetts have been amazing.

00:15:46.000 And our vision is to bring Freedom Square to over 1,000 churches across the country.

00:15:50.000 We need 1,000 Dietrich Bonhoeffers in our country.

00:15:53.000 We need them fast.

00:15:54.000 We're going to talk about Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who is a teller of truth.

00:15:57.000 I want to take a couple minutes and just build out what the role of the church is in all of this, more specifically, and give you some historical context.

00:16:05.000 And so, first, I want to read from the scriptures in Jeremiah.

00:16:08.000 But seek the welfare of the city.

00:16:11.000 Okay, the word seek, that's not a great English word, honestly, for what it's supposed to be.

00:16:16.000 It's actually a word, it's bakash, it's aim, desire, or demand.

00:16:24.000 So, the scriptures are saying to demand the welfare.

00:16:26.000 What is the word welfare?

00:16:27.000 We think of welfare as getting stuff, and that's not what the word welfare means this way.

00:16:31.000 It's shalom or shalem, peace, that which is unbroken, stable, serene, right?

00:16:37.000 So, right there, in four words in Hebrew, it's saying we must demand peace, serenity, and stability of the city or the nation where I have sent you into exile and pray to the Lord on its behalf.

00:16:51.000 And this is my favorite part, for its welfare, you will find your welfare.

00:16:55.000 Wow, your welfare is tied to the welfare of the nation you're in.

00:16:59.000 Now, that's not to say that your righteousness or your eternity is tied to it.

00:17:02.000 That's not what we're saying.

00:17:04.000 But I think it's fair to say a historical observation is that your welfare, your ability to be free is tied to the government you have.

00:17:10.000 Just ask anyone that grew up in the Soviet Union or in Cuba.

00:17:13.000 Was the gospel raging in the Soviet Union?

00:17:15.000 Of course not.

00:17:16.000 How about communist China today, North Korea?

00:17:18.000 You see, there's a belief only someone who lives in a free society could believe this, which is that politics doesn't matter.

00:17:24.000 Only someone who can live in a free society has the luxury to believe that you should not get involved in the government around you because you don't actually see the threat of the tyranny that comes there.

00:17:34.000 Ask anyone who fled any one of these dictatorships or tyrannies what that looks like.

00:17:39.000 So, the most important thing you could do in your life is give your life to Jesus Christ.

00:17:42.000 Number one, uncompromising, no question.

00:17:45.000 What's the second most important thing?

00:17:47.000 To make sure you can do the first thing.

00:17:48.000 You know, the window of religious liberty is actually closing in the world, not opening. 0.76

00:17:52.000 More countries are locking down and going after Christians, not opening up.

00:17:55.000 There are more people that live without hearing the name Jesus every single day or every week than here.

00:18:00.000 We take that for granted, and that's the default position, by the way.

00:18:03.000 The default position of humanity is to not have gratitude, not have respect, just act like these are the things are always, not understand the sacrifices that were made before that gave us what we have around us.

00:18:15.000 So, why do we have what we have around us?

00:18:17.000 And is it special or is it exceptional?

00:18:19.000 Yes, it is.

00:18:20.000 We have plenty of problems as a country.

00:18:23.000 I talk about them quite often.

00:18:25.000 We've made plenty of mistakes, but make no mistake, America is not a mistake.

00:18:28.000 America is a moral good for the world.

00:18:30.000 It's an exceptional nation.

00:18:32.000 It's a big difference.

00:18:35.000 So, what is our country? 0.90

00:18:38.000 Our country is founded by Christians. 0.73

00:18:40.000 One of the biggest lies, the things I was never taught, is that this country was just born out of nothing, and it was atheists and deists that founded America.

00:18:48.000 Half the signers of the Declaration of Independence studied divinity in college.

00:18:53.000 All but three signers of the Declaration of Independence were Bible-believing, regular church-attending Sunday, Sunday church-attending Christians.

00:19:00.000 God is mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence.

00:19:03.000 It says clearly, laws of nature and nature is God.

00:19:06.000 This idea that God is the most important and not King George is a uniquely American idea.

00:19:11.000 In fact, but the question is: what happened before that in 1776 when three documents were written?

00:19:17.000 And I encourage everyone to dive deep into them, but that's why we're going to have Freedom Square so we could dive into them together.

00:19:22.000 And we're going to have readings and we're going to get into it.

00:19:24.000 Common Sense by Thomas Paine, Wealth and an Inquiry into the Wealth and the Inquiry into the Cause of the Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith, and then the Declaration of Independence.

00:19:33.000 But what's happening in the 1740s or 1750s?

00:19:35.000 That's a pretty good question, right?

00:19:37.000 Was just everyone just meandering and kind of minding their own business?

00:19:42.000 No, America's gone through four great awakenings.

00:19:45.000 And the way that we should teach awakenings is how we're not teaching them in our schools.

00:19:49.000 It's more than a religious revival.

00:19:51.000 It's a firewall and a backstop against America crumbling.

00:19:55.000 I'm going to prove it to you.

00:19:56.000 So America was founded by the First Great Awakening.

00:19:58.000 George Whitfield, Jonathan Edwards, John Wesley, pastors that were getting out into the streets and preaching the word of God, talking about you are free through Jesus, not through King George, and you must give your life.

00:20:09.000 If you want to go read a harsh teaching, if you think your pastor gives you a hard time, go read Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God by Jonathan Edwards and come back to church and you're going to be like, okay, I've now heard it all.

00:20:20.000 Go, the need to repent.

00:20:21.000 I mean, it's only said 35 times in that sermon.

00:20:24.000 It was given all across the eastern seaboard.

00:20:26.000 So all of a sudden, for the 1740s, 1750s, 1760s, this Protestant, Bible-believing, dare I say, evangelical, bottom-up revival was happening in America.

00:20:37.000 Now, this was a new thing because all of a sudden, literacy rates were increasing for the first time in human history because the word of God gave everyone a reason to go read.

00:20:47.000 So all of a sudden, people were asking questions.

00:20:49.000 They were saying, now that I've given my life to Christ, I believe God is in charge.

00:20:52.000 I believe that there's an ultimate creator.

00:20:55.000 Why are we governing ourselves this way?

00:20:57.000 Why do we not have the consent of the governed or separation of powers?

00:21:00.000 These questions were starting to be seriously asked for good reason.

00:21:03.000 The first great awakening led to the founding of our country.

00:21:07.000 And our founding of our country, despite what you might be taught in schools, was founded on freedom, not on slavery.

00:21:13.000 I'll prove it to you.

00:21:13.000 The Northwest Territories, the first new sovereign part of land in America, new land went in front of Congress in 1783.

00:21:21.000 Their first act of Congress, they needed to approve or deny the Northwest Territories.

00:21:25.000 You know what the Northwest Territories were?

00:21:26.000 Ohio, Michigan.

00:21:27.000 They're not with the Northwest we'd consider.

00:21:29.000 That was the Northwest back then.

00:21:30.000 The capital of the Northwest Territories was War in Ohio.

00:21:33.000 But do you know what made the Northwest Territories different?

00:21:35.000 It was the first new sovereign piece of land in the history of the planet that prohibited slavery.

00:21:41.000 Prohibited it.

00:21:42.000 They don't teach you that in schools all the time, do you?

00:21:44.000 The new piece of land.

00:21:45.000 Now, of course, we wrestled with this.

00:21:46.000 We fought a war over it. 0.98

00:21:47.000 We'll get to that in a second of how Christians were involved in it. 0.97

00:21:50.000 But then America started to rest on their laurels a little bit.

00:21:54.000 Get a little apathetic.

00:21:56.000 Sounds familiar, right?

00:21:57.000 1820s rolled around, and drunken debauchery and self-indulgence was spreading throughout the land.

00:22:03.000 And that was the second great awakening.

00:22:05.000 So here's how I want you to think about awakenings in the church.

00:22:08.000 You guys ever do a trust fall in school?

00:22:10.000 Or you just kind of fall back, right?

00:22:13.000 That's the natural state of humanity is to fall back.

00:22:16.000 You want to know the Old Testament in like 25 seconds? 0.91

00:22:19.000 God blesses, Israel rejects, and they do it again. 0.96

00:22:25.000 That's the Old Testament. 1.00

00:22:26.000 It's true. 0.70

00:22:27.000 It's the natural cycle to mess it up, right?

00:22:31.000 One over the other.

00:22:32.000 So there has to be a backstop.

00:22:34.000 So that trust fall, someone catches you, right? 0.70

00:22:37.000 Well, America was 1820s, and who caught them?

00:22:40.000 The Second Great Awakening did. 0.93

00:22:42.000 The church did.

00:22:43.000 Activist pastors going out in the street talking about the need to repent, and then all of a sudden, America was brought back into its place.

00:22:49.000 Fifth president James Monroe wrote about this extensively.

00:22:52.000 Then John Quincy Adams, and then Andrew Jackson, and then Martin Van Buren.

00:22:58.000 John Quincy Adams is an abolitionist, by the way.

00:23:00.000 We'll get to that in a second.

00:23:01.000 Went back to Congress just to go talk about the abolition of slavery because he was so moved by the scriptures.

00:23:07.000 What about the third great awakening?

00:23:09.000 Well, it was what I call the second great crisis in America, which is what do we do about this moral travesty of slavery?

00:23:16.000 Now, just so you understand, slavery was the norm prior to America.

00:23:20.000 Every civilization had human beings owning human beings.

00:23:23.000 In fact, before we get on our moral high horse, there are more slaves on the planet today than there were back then.

00:23:28.000 Just go to the southern border, parts of Central America, the Horn of Africa.

00:23:31.000 The fact we've abolished it is a huge leap forward and something that we should applaud. 0.99

00:23:37.000 We must understand why.

00:23:38.000 Abraham Lincoln famously said, if slavery is not wrong, then nothing is wrong.

00:23:42.000 It was William Wilberforce, an evangelical Protestant Bible-believing Christian in Britain who led the abolitionist movement.

00:23:48.000 John Quincy Adams, who was inspired by the scriptures to argue for the abolition of slavery, Thaddeus Stevens, the Frederick Douglass.

00:23:54.000 It was the church that founded the anti-slavery party.

00:23:59.000 Now, the anti-slavery party is better known.

00:24:01.000 And again, I'm not getting into politics.

00:24:03.000 This is facts.

00:24:04.000 It was actually founded in a church, a little white church in Ripon, Wisconsin, and was called the Republican Party.

00:24:10.000 It was founded on one thing, that we must abolish slavery.

00:24:13.000 We'll figure out the rest.

00:24:14.000 That if we can't abolish slavery, then nothing else matters.

00:24:17.000 You can go visit the little white church house up in Ripon, Wisconsin, middle of nowhere.

00:24:24.000 And they said, we are going to argue for this idea of equality, ella uutheria, nisonomia, the Greek words for freedom and equality, under God.

00:24:32.000 Now, it's tough.

00:24:33.000 It was messy, literally.

00:24:35.000 A lot of people died, a lot of sacrifices were given, but it was Christians that were pushing it forward.

00:24:40.000 It was the church that was getting into it.

00:24:41.000 And the church, again, America was falling backwards, right?

00:24:44.000 The church caught it and brought it back into where it was supposed to be.

00:24:48.000 The next great awakening, and historians argue, some say there was a great awakening in the 1920s.

00:24:54.000 There might have been, but the great awakening that I would accept, that all of us know the most about, that some of you lived through, but we don't talk a lot about, is that we know that socialism and communism was spreading through the world through the 1940s and 50s.

00:25:10.000 China became communist.

00:25:11.000 Cuba became communist.

00:25:12.000 Zimbabwe became communist.

00:25:15.000 Do we ever ask ourselves a question, why didn't America become communist? 0.98

00:25:18.000 That's a good question to ask.

00:25:19.000 A seventh grader, right?

00:25:21.000 Why didn't it work here?

00:25:23.000 Well, a man that is known for a bigger and better thing, but should also be known for this, that all of you know, was an anti-communist crusader for Christ in the 1950s.

00:25:33.000 His name was Billy Graham.

00:25:36.000 I encourage all of you to go listen to the sermons of Billy Graham in the 1950s, where Billy Graham was talking in open-air revivals against the rise of Soviet communism and its infiltration in America.

00:25:47.000 So when America was falling backwards, who was there to hold it up?

00:25:52.000 Billy Graham getting back in the word of God, saying, give your life to God.

00:25:55.000 Do not give yourself to the utopian promises of secular-run socialism or communism.

00:26:00.000 It was the church that put it back into its proper position.

00:26:03.000 How many people here have been impacted by Billy Graham?

00:26:05.000 Every hand should go up because we're all basically here thanks to the teachings of Billy Graham.

00:26:09.000 The people that he taught, the people he inspired, the type of Bible-based, open-air, expositional, verse-by-verse teaching.

00:26:16.000 He made that mainstream in America.

00:26:19.000 Millions of people to Christ, but the people he inspired, but he also said, no, no, you have to have a vertical relationship with your creator, not a horizontal relationship with your state.

00:26:27.000 You must understand where your rights come from.

00:26:29.000 So now we are in this time right now.

00:26:31.000 We've had it really good.

00:26:33.000 I was born in 1993.

00:26:36.000 Many of our staff right around the same time.

00:26:38.000 People always laugh when I say that.

00:26:40.000 It's like, I remember, I don't remember 1993, actually.

00:26:43.000 So a couple years after the wall fell, we beat Soviet communism without ever having to fire a shot.

00:26:50.000 We beat them because we beat Soviet communism because Ronald Reagan, God bless him, he decided to make this a theological debate. 0.63

00:27:00.000 Ronald Reagan famously said, America's going to win because America understands that God's in charge and Joseph Stalin is not. 0.51

00:27:09.000 Pretty amazing. 0.78

00:27:10.000 Now, what do we know through the course of human history?

00:27:14.000 Things get good, you get really wealthy, get lazy, get atrophy.

00:27:19.000 And that's what's happened to the church.

00:27:20.000 Not this church, but the church in general.

00:27:23.000 Focused on budgets, baptism, and buildings.

00:27:25.000 I love all those things.

00:27:26.000 But all of a sudden, if the public square around you is decaying, then who's going to catch America when it's fallen?

00:27:33.000 Because America's fallen again, not trust fall.

00:27:35.000 And the church is doing this right now.

00:27:37.000 Go ahead.

00:27:38.000 Some pastors are saying it doesn't matter.

00:27:41.000 We're like every other nation.

00:27:43.000 Some pastors are saying that's not our role.

00:27:46.000 Some pastors are saying, I only do the gospel.

00:27:48.000 When the right way to say is, no, we're going to catch you because we care about bringing people to Christ.

00:27:53.000 Because if America falls, it's going to be a dark day for the gospel.

00:27:55.000 We're going to move it right back where it needs to be.

00:28:00.000 A few decades ago, private citizens used to be that.

00:28:03.000 Private citizens.

00:28:04.000 What's changed?

00:28:05.000 The internet.

00:28:06.000 Think about everything you've browsed, searched, for, watched, or tweeted.

00:28:09.000 Now imagine all of that data being crawled through, collected, and aggregated by third parties into a permanent public record.

00:28:15.000 Your record.

00:28:16.000 Having your life exposed for others to see was something only celebrities worried about.

00:28:20.000 But in an era where everyone is online, everyone is a public figure.

00:28:23.000 To keep my data private, when I go online, I always turn on ExpressVPN.

00:28:28.000 Did you know that there are hundreds of data brokers out there whose sole business is to buy and sell your data?

00:28:33.000 The worst part is they don't have to tell you who they're selling it to or get your consent.

00:28:37.000 One of the data points is your IP address.

00:28:39.000 Data harvesters use your IP address to uniquely identify you and your location.

00:28:44.000 But with ExpressVPN, my connection gets rerouted through an encrypted server and my IP address is masked.

00:28:49.000 Every time I turn on ExpressVPN, I'm given a random IP address shared by other ExpressVPN customers.

00:28:55.000 That makes it more difficult for third parties to identify me and harvest my data.

00:29:00.000 And the best part is how ExpressVPN, how easy it is to use.

00:29:03.000 No matter what device you're on, phone or laptop, maybe smart TV.

00:29:06.000 So if you're like me and you believe that your data is your business, go to expressvpn.com/slash Charlie and get three extra months free.

00:29:14.000 E-X-P-R-E-S-S-V-P-N.com slash Charlie.

00:29:18.000 Go to expressvpn.com slash Charlie.

00:29:23.000 Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people whom he has chosen as heritage.

00:29:27.000 Acts 5, 29.

00:29:28.000 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reparation or is repulsive to any people.

00:29:36.000 Proverbs 29, 2.

00:29:38.000 I could go on about the scriptures saying the nation will be judged.

00:29:42.000 And I'm not saying that we're necessarily going to win.

00:29:45.000 People ask me all the time.

00:29:46.000 They say, Charlie, what's the point we are going to lose?

00:29:49.000 I say, that's awfully fatalistic, isn't it?

00:29:52.000 And they say, the end is here.

00:29:54.000 Who cares?

00:29:55.000 The house is on fire. 0.97

00:29:57.000 Let's get the kids out.

00:29:58.000 I always laugh.

00:29:59.000 I say, if the house is on fire, why don't you put out the fire?

00:30:00.000 Like, what a kind of crazy belief is that.

00:30:04.000 Why don't you do something to fix around you?

00:30:06.000 I think this kind of apathetic, we're going to run to the hills and wait for the hurricane to pass and we're going to get zapped up.

00:30:13.000 You guys can determine your own eschatology.

00:30:17.000 I'm not here to talk about it.

00:30:18.000 Here's what I'm going to say.

00:30:19.000 Is Jesus said occupy till I come?

00:30:21.000 Is Jesus said to be salt and light?

00:30:23.000 Is Jesus wanted you to be in the public square?

00:30:25.000 And I'll tell you right now, did Jesus ever call for comfortable Christianity?

00:30:32.000 Who are the Christians that get the New York Times articles right now? 0.65

00:30:37.000 The Christians that all of a sudden believe a certain political philosophy of the world, not challenging the world with biblical truth, right? 0.60

00:30:48.000 So all of a sudden, if you're winning approval over that whole, let's say, organization, you're probably not doing what Jesus promised you if you were doing the right thing. 0.96

00:31:03.000 Blessed are you who are persecuted in the name of me.

00:31:05.000 James 1.

00:31:06.000 That you should be thanking the Lord that when you get persecuted in the name of Jesus. 1.00

00:31:11.000 So should Christians care?

00:31:13.000 Should we care about the welfare of the city around us? 0.85

00:31:16.000 Now let me be clear.

00:31:18.000 You shouldn't care more than righteousness or you shouldn't care more about eternity.

00:31:18.000 Let me be very clear.

00:31:23.000 That is always the number one, the number one, the number one.

00:31:26.000 But also a holistic view is to ask yourselves the question: boy, if we do nothing, we're all going to be sharing the gospel from prison.

00:31:33.000 And that is not an exact.

00:31:35.000 If you think that can't happen here, I got a Soviet dissident for you to meet.

00:31:40.000 If you think that can't happen here, you should go meet Joseph Bonduranko, who is a Soviet preacher who was locked in prison for 23 hours a day for 15 years for preaching the gospel. 0.50

00:31:50.000 Is the gospel on fire in communist China right now?

00:31:53.000 Of course not.

00:31:54.000 Now, here's a reason why the church has been targeted.

00:31:58.000 There's a reason why, and this is why this church is taking the right posture and the right tone.

00:32:02.000 Is these churches that decide to do nothing, man, they don't really realize the game that's being played here because the appetite of the tyrants, and by the way, it is, just go through, look throughout the Bible of how people always want to centralize power for themselves.

00:32:18.000 Right?

00:32:20.000 Refusing power, which by the way, George Washington did, which he's a hero.

00:32:24.000 The humility it took for him to actually say, I don't want to be king for life, changed the course of human history.

00:32:29.000 It did.

00:32:29.000 George Washington was a Bible-believing, prayerful, reverent, pious man who understood that God's rights came from God.

00:32:37.000 But understand that some of the churches that are deciding not to get engaged or get involved in this, they don't understand the game that's really at play here.

00:32:45.000 Understand what you're doing here.

00:32:46.000 When you're worshiping, what are you really saying?

00:32:48.000 What are you really saying to the rest of the world?

00:32:51.000 You're saying that this is my ultimate purpose.

00:32:54.000 My ultimate purpose is not given to me through government fiat or through a bureaucrat or through a top-down order.

00:33:01.000 You see, that's a challenge and affront to anyone that wants total and complete control.

00:33:06.000 And before anyone in the external world says, oh no, they don't want total and complete control, just read a little bit of 20th century history because it's always more.

00:33:16.000 The Bible clearly says that if you do not find Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you will not stop to try to conquer your earthly desires.

00:33:24.000 Satan tempted Jesus and said, You can have the whole world.

00:33:28.000 No, that's not for me.

00:33:30.000 But there's people today where they always just want another inch.

00:33:32.000 They just want another piece of territory.

00:33:34.000 But the church gathering, what you're doing physically today, is a threat to them.

00:33:38.000 And you can understand in the last year, and this is one of the reasons I got so passionate about this.

00:33:44.000 I spoke with over 50 churches in the last year, Juergen, Steve Smotherman, James Cadiz, Rob McCoy, amazing people.

00:33:50.000 Is that when I started to realize the church was being singled out in this entire equation?

00:33:58.000 Some of you might be unconvinced.

00:34:01.000 What you're doing right now is illegal in San Jose.

00:34:05.000 Why?

00:34:06.000 Because of government, because of decisions people make in the ballot box.

00:34:10.000 What you're doing right now, a brother in Christ, Mike McClure, is facing $2.6 million in fines in San Jose.

00:34:17.000 And he continues to open his church and have his doors wide open because he says, if I even have one person that gives their life to Christ, that is worth it.

00:34:27.000 But that's just the reflection of the leadership or in the government around you.

00:34:32.000 Why is it that Walmart and Home Depot, cannabis dispensaries, and abortion factories were open, but the church was supposed to close?

00:34:42.000 You know, so I get a chuckle out of this.

00:34:44.000 People say, you know, we have to, why is it that there's so many mental health issues?

00:34:48.000 I say, it's interesting.

00:34:50.000 You don't understand that there's a correlation between closing the church, people's community, their ability to worship and find salvation, and then we're stunned when we start to see all these things start to skyrocket in the country.

00:34:59.000 It's not that just the church is essential, it's the most essential institution in the entire country, and it should never close again.

00:35:09.000 Period.

00:35:12.000 So, in closing, we're doing something about it.

00:35:14.000 We're not just going to be observers.

00:35:16.000 We're going to be gathering.

00:35:18.000 We want you to learn.

00:35:19.000 We want you to see.

00:35:20.000 And this is going to have a national component to it.

00:35:23.000 We're going to blast it out to other churches.

00:35:24.000 But I'm going to tell you guys right now: I'm going to go down swinging for this state.

00:35:29.000 It pains me what's happening in Arizona right now.

00:35:34.000 This has been happening in real time and you feel it, right?

00:35:38.000 It's changing.

00:35:39.000 Well, who's going to catch Arizona and with it, the nation?

00:35:42.000 That's where Dream City is coming in, right?

00:35:44.000 Is that that backfall, that natural movement is like, we're going to catch it.

00:35:49.000 We're not just going to prevent it.

00:35:50.000 We're going to build up new.

00:35:52.000 We're going to have godly people that are going to raise their hand and say, I'm going to go run for school board.

00:35:56.000 We're going to have godly people that are like, you know what?

00:35:58.000 I'm going to go become a precinct committee man.

00:36:00.000 I'm going to have godly people that are like, you know what?

00:36:01.000 I am going to start to ask questions what my kids are learning.

00:36:04.000 Godly people that are going to be engaged and involved and aware of the welfare in the city.

00:36:08.000 And you're going to realize that there's a new level of your belief and your faith where you're like, wow, I now can spread the good news and the sweetness of the gospel in all arenas.

00:36:19.000 And so I want to pack this place out on May 4th and every month there.

00:36:24.000 And so tell your family and tell your friends.

00:36:26.000 And it's going to be something that you can count on and that we really want the spirit to move in this.

00:36:31.000 And so two things in closing.

00:36:34.000 If I said anything that really captured your attention, you guys want to listen or learn more.

00:36:38.000 We do two podcasts today on the Charlie Kirk Show podcast and we spend a lot of time on them.

00:36:44.000 We are the number one Christian conservative podcast out there on all of Apple.

00:36:49.000 And so if everyone took out their phone and subscribed to the Charlie Kirk show, we would beat the New York Times and the podcast chart by tomorrow morning.

00:36:58.000 So that would be kind of a fun thing.

00:37:00.000 And Rachel Maddow, too.

00:37:01.000 Which, hi, Jeff.

00:37:01.000 How are you doing, man?

00:37:03.000 And so if you guys feel moved to do that, it's a great blessing to me and to us.

00:37:07.000 And we're going to be rebroadcasting these discussions in Dream City on our podcast feed so that millions of people can hear them.

00:37:14.000 And so if you do not know how to subscribe to a podcast, there should be an eight-year-old around here that can show you how to do that on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.

00:37:23.000 I know it might seem insignificant, but it's a real blessing to us.

00:37:27.000 And thank you.

00:37:27.000 And once you hit that subscribe button.

00:37:29.000 All right, here's in closing.

00:37:32.000 People ask all the time, they say, Charlie, why do you do what you do?

00:37:35.000 It's because I gave my life to Jesus in fifth grade.

00:37:38.000 And every year, it starts to mean more and more as I realize how broken we actually are and how in need of salvation we are.

00:37:48.000 There is a creator.

00:37:50.000 For those of you that are logical and rational that are here today and you like my videos, you say, oh boy, he's getting all mystical on me.

00:37:56.000 Explain to me the laws of mathematics and thermodynamics and physics as an act of randomness.

00:38:01.000 Explain to me the ability to build superstructures like this without the roof falling in.

00:38:06.000 And the laws of nature, and yes, of nature is God.

00:38:08.000 So if there's creation, we all agree there's creation.

00:38:11.000 Some music sounds better than others.

00:38:13.000 Some things move you more than others.

00:38:14.000 So there's a hierarchy of the good.

00:38:16.000 Well, then therefore there must be a creator that made it that way.

00:38:20.000 So if there's a creator, when has the creator ever revealed himself?

00:38:24.000 Well, we have a book for that, where there's a beginning and there's an end, and we're somewhere in the middle, where we're made in God's image.

00:38:32.000 We rebelled.

00:38:33.000 We're good at that, right?

00:38:34.000 We rejected him.

00:38:35.000 We decided to push it away.

00:38:36.000 And we're kind of now in this period where this gift has been given to all of us.

00:38:41.000 Now, we say it's a gift, and here's why.

00:38:44.000 You can't earn it.

00:38:45.000 It's not the varsity basketball team.

00:38:48.000 It's not a promotion.

00:38:50.000 This is a different type of thing.

00:38:51.000 Every other religion is going to be like, check this box, come to this thing, do all these things, and then eventually you can get closer to God. 0.96

00:38:57.000 Christianity is different. 0.89

00:38:58.000 Instead of you getting closer to God, God got closer to you. 0.99

00:39:01.000 Totally different.

00:39:03.000 And so the gospel in four words.

00:39:06.000 Jesus took my place, three words, him for me, two words, substitutionary atonement, one word, grace.

00:39:12.000 What is grace?

00:39:13.000 We talk about it a lot.

00:39:14.000 We have songs about it.

00:39:15.000 Well, first, what is justice?

00:39:17.000 Justice is getting exactly what you deserve.

00:39:20.000 You stole something from a store, you go in front of a judge, they sentence you to six months in prison.

00:39:26.000 Mercy is you go in front of a judge, you steal something, and you get one month instead of six months.

00:39:29.000 You get less of what you deserve.

00:39:31.000 But grace, boy, grace is something that human beings can't even comprehend.

00:39:36.000 We only have a little bit of an understanding of it.

00:39:37.000 So you go in front of a judge and he lists everything wrong that you ever did.

00:39:41.000 And by the way, this is what's going to happen.

00:39:42.000 When you pass from one life to the next, you're going in front of a judge and he's going to list everything wrong you ever did.

00:39:49.000 It will be a long list for all of us.

00:39:52.000 All of us, myself included, that you've ever done wrong.

00:39:56.000 And he's like, the only way that we can reconcile this is you're going to have to be in a bad place forever.

00:40:03.000 And you're about to get that judgment.

00:40:05.000 And then someone says, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

00:40:07.000 They interrupt the proceedings.

00:40:08.000 No, no, no.

00:40:09.000 I'll serve that sentence for him.

00:40:10.000 He's good.

00:40:11.000 He can live forever.

00:40:12.000 That's grace.

00:40:15.000 We don't deserve it.

00:40:16.000 We can't comprehend it.

00:40:18.000 It's God giving us an opportunity to be with him because he wants to come back into contact with you.

00:40:23.000 And I say to young people all the time: if you ever find anything better than Jesus Christ, please let me know because you won't.

00:40:29.000 So you could search every chasm under every book and everything at all points that ultimate purpose.

00:40:34.000 So if you have not given your life to Christ and you feel the spirit moving, I highly encourage you to do that.

00:40:40.000 It's the most important thing you could possibly do.

00:40:42.000 And then as a second of that, I encourage you to make sure other people can continue to do that.

00:40:46.000 That churches can remain open, that values can be expressed, that speech is still allowed in our country.

00:40:51.000 And that's exactly why we're doing Freedom Square.

00:40:53.000 I want to close with this.

00:40:54.000 This is a special church with great leaders.

00:40:57.000 And together we are going to make a positive imprint on the nation and the city around us.

00:41:02.000 I'm so blessed to be part of this and the act of boldness and courage, which is so lacking in our country.

00:41:07.000 And all of us are in this together now.

00:41:09.000 And this is going to be a great day forward for our state and our nation.

00:41:12.000 God bless you guys.

00:41:13.000 Thank you so much.

00:41:18.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:41:20.000 Email us your thoughts and questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:41:23.000 And if you want to support us, go to charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:41:26.000 God bless you.

00:41:27.000 Speak to you soon.

00:41:32.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 13, 2021

America's Four Great Awakenings—LIVE from Dream City Church

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