The Charlie Kirk Show - January 19, 2023


America's Looming Debt Crisis and How We Got Here with Kash Patel

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In this episode, we discuss the impact of the Baby Boomer Generation on our national debt. We also have a special guest, Kash Patel, join us to talk about fencing off funding and many other important topics, including the Biden and Trump document.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today's Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:02.000 I asked the question, what is the legacy of the baby boomers going to be? 0.98
00:00:05.000 To make my position perfectly clear, I think there are phenomenal baby boomers and there's crummy baby boomers. 1.00
00:00:10.000 I think there's great millennials and crummy millennials, but it is a fact that the legacy of a generation, the baby boomer generation, will be an inheritor of a free country and then passing down an unfree country. 0.76
00:00:21.000 We talk about that in regards to the national debt.
00:00:23.000 We also have Kash Patel join us about fencing off funding and many other important topics, including the Biden and Trump document story.
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00:01:40.000 The debt ceiling has been hit.
00:01:42.000 That's right.
00:01:43.000 We have officially hit our debt ceiling.
00:01:46.000 If you don't remember what that is, our government, the U.S. government, runs a massive deficit.
00:01:50.000 Now, there's a difference in the debt and the deficit.
00:01:52.000 The debt is the cumulative amount of money that we owe.
00:01:55.000 A deficit is the annual amount that we continually borrow.
00:01:59.000 So deficit is annual and debt is cumulative.
00:02:03.000 So in order for us to continue to keep the government functioning, we have to raise the debt ceiling.
00:02:09.000 Usually this is done without a lot of controversy, but every couple of years, this gets to be a political lightning rod for good reason.
00:02:16.000 No one likes talking about the debt.
00:02:18.000 The debt is something that I've been talking about for quite some time.
00:02:21.000 In fact, it was the first issue that I started to talk about all the way back in 2011 and 2012.
00:02:27.000 The debt seems to be overly wonky, but it's actually very, very simple.
00:02:30.000 Our debt is currently $31.4 trillion.
00:02:35.000 Back in 2007, just 16 years ago, our debt was $10 trillion.
00:02:39.000 So our debt has tripled in the last 15 years.
00:02:44.000 You wonder how we get someone like Donald Trump?
00:02:46.000 You wonder why populism is growing.
00:02:48.000 You wonder why nationalism is growing?
00:02:50.000 Because we see our leaders continually put our beloved country in financial insecurity, in financial insolvency, to keep our borders wide open and ship our jobs overseas and destroy the purchasing power of the American dollar.
00:03:07.000 So in 2007, our debt was $10 trillion.
00:03:11.000 I was in seventh grade in 2007, 15 years ago.
00:03:16.000 15 years later now, our debt has tripled.
00:03:19.000 Now, we are in a serious debt doom spiral, and nobody wants to acknowledge it, and no one wants to talk about it.
00:03:26.000 This is a ticking time bomb on the American Constitutional Republic.
00:03:30.000 Debt is the slavery of the free.
00:03:34.000 Now, this is technically different from a government shutdown.
00:03:37.000 The shutdown is when Congress doesn't pass appropriations, so there's no legal approval to fund federal operations.
00:03:43.000 With this, it's about the Treasury Department having the power to borrow money to fund spending that is already approved.
00:03:50.000 The Treasury Department believes that it can get by without a debt ceiling increase for about six months before we get into what would be called uncharted territory.
00:03:58.000 This is uncharted territory in the American sense.
00:04:00.000 Having a $31 trillion debt is uncharted territory.
00:04:04.000 We owe more money than we are worth, by the way.
00:04:06.000 We owe more money than the combined GDP of our nation.
00:04:10.000 Some people are proposing goofy and wacky ideas like having a trillion-dollar coin or to issue extremely unconventional bonds.
00:04:17.000 Still, if this goes on long enough, the expected outcome is that the U.S. will default on its current debt obligations.
00:04:23.000 Now, that probably won't happen.
00:04:24.000 They probably will come to some deal, but it should not happen.
00:04:27.000 You should not raise the debt ceiling without concessions of cutting spending, balanced budget plans, penny plans.
00:04:34.000 But to raise the debt ceiling, Congress has to pass legislation.
00:04:38.000 And by the way, the $31 trillion debt does not count unfunded liabilities.
00:04:42.000 It does not count future promises.
00:04:45.000 That is just what we currently owe.
00:04:47.000 An unfunded liability would be, for example, let's pretend that you have a mortgage on your home, you have a car loan, but you've also basically told every single person in your neighborhood, hey, I'm going to give you $10,000 next week.
00:05:00.000 That's an unfunded liability.
00:05:02.000 You've said it, it's in writing.
00:05:04.000 So you might say, Charlie, give me an example of an unfunded liability: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, what these programs will cost.
00:05:11.000 In fact, some people estimate that our unfunded liability total is over $300 trillion.
00:05:20.000 So the Biden administration is refusing to budge.
00:05:22.000 They say, just raise it.
00:05:23.000 Just raise the debt ceiling.
00:05:24.000 What's the difference?
00:05:26.000 And there's almost no budging from the House Republicans to the Biden White House.
00:05:31.000 We still have some time.
00:05:32.000 It doesn't need to happen today, but the negotiations are going to begin.
00:05:35.000 Now, some people think the debt ceiling is pointless.
00:05:38.000 They say, look, Congress is not going to stop borrowing overnight.
00:05:41.000 But in some ways, this gives House Republicans some negotiation power.
00:05:46.000 It gives them some leverage.
00:05:48.000 It allows them to sit in a room with Joe Biden and say, look, we don't want the federal government to fold.
00:05:55.000 We do not want to default on our liabilities.
00:05:58.000 And I hope you don't either.
00:05:59.000 Let's get some spending cuts done.
00:06:02.000 Now, piling debt on the next generation is generational theft.
00:06:07.000 Now, many of you in our audience are going to find this to be insulting.
00:06:11.000 So I'm not blaming you.
00:06:12.000 I'll be very clear.
00:06:13.000 But it is a fact that the current adults, if you're 50 plus, you are somewhat, and I don't want to say to blame, but you participated in this massive multi-decade generational plunder of future generations. 0.65
00:06:29.000 My five-month-year-old daughter is going to have to live in an America that is less free, that is less financially secure, and less fiscally solvent because of the sugar-high spending that has been going on the last 15 years.
00:06:44.000 Now, a lot of people hate it when I say that.
00:06:46.000 They say, Charlie, I've done everything perfectly.
00:06:48.000 I voted the right way.
00:06:50.000 I knock on doors.
00:06:51.000 I save money.
00:06:52.000 But it is a fact that the consensus of the 50-plus generation in America, they've done a lot right, but this is a terrible track record the last 15 years.
00:07:01.000 However, it's not just in the sense of the debt ceiling fight.
00:07:04.000 I'm going to broaden this for a second.
00:07:06.000 I'm going to show you this is a pattern of immoral behavior that is manifested in a variety of different ways.
00:07:12.000 Now, the children of today are now going to inherit a less free, less fiscally solvent America, where the American dollar is basically equivalent to toilet paper.
00:07:22.000 In fact, toilet paper is actually more valuable than the American dollar.
00:07:29.000 That was the old joke we used to make.
00:07:30.000 We used to say, yeah, you know, that the dollar bill is going to be like toilet paper.
00:07:35.000 And now it's not really a joke.
00:07:37.000 Now, toilet paper actually is a lot more valuable in some sense and in some places than a dollar bill.
00:07:45.000 Now, it depends on whether or not there's panic in the streets and all that.
00:07:50.000 However, the same immediate gut reaction that triggered the lockdowns is the same sort of philosophy that piled debt on the next generation, which is this, which is we're going to steal from children so I can be comfortable.
00:08:08.000 We're going to steal from my kids and grandkids so I can be, so I can live an easier and nicer life.
00:08:14.000 Now, I know a lot of you don't subscribe to that.
00:08:16.000 A lot of you find that sort of idea repulsive.
00:08:18.000 You were against lockdowns.
00:08:19.000 You were against these mandatory vaccines.
00:08:21.000 You were against mask mandates.
00:08:22.000 You are in the minority of Americans, by the way.
00:08:24.000 The majority of Americans supported the lockdowns and they support this deficit spending.
00:08:28.000 The West was built on a heroic idea of delayed gratification.
00:08:36.000 I'm going to sacrifice today so my children can experience prosperity.
00:08:43.000 And so what we've seen is that the greatest generation sacrificed so that the boomers could have a really economically flourishing life. 0.65
00:08:51.000 And the 70s, 80s, and 90s, specifically the 80s and 90s, were Boomtown USA, the American dream, house ownership, middle-class incomes boomed.
00:09:01.000 We balanced the budget in the 1990s.
00:09:03.000 So we went from a balanced budget in the 1990s when I was born, 1993, to now where we have $31 trillion in debt.
00:09:12.000 Now, I'm not going to blame boomers because I get a lot of angry emails if I dare ever say anything that boomers are the greatest generation in American history.
00:09:20.000 So let me just say, I think boomers are the greatest generation in American history.
00:09:23.000 They've never done anything wrong.
00:09:24.000 In fact, how dare would I ever say anything critical of baby boomers? 1.00
00:09:28.000 The harshest, most cruel emails I've ever received is if I dare say that boomers did anything except it with perfect masterstroke. 1.00
00:09:35.000 So I would never ever say that.
00:09:37.000 But delayed gratification is what built the West.
00:09:40.000 And what is clear is that our political leaders have decided to act in a pattern of behavior to say that children do not matter, but my convenience, my own DAO portfolio matters more than the fiscal well-being of future generations that will deteriorate and obliterate the dollar.
00:10:01.000 And again, I want to reinforce this.
00:10:03.000 I'm not blaming many of you because I get to see the emails right now.
00:10:07.000 Many of you have done the right thing, but our political leaders have not.
00:10:12.000 The idea pathogen that has infected the American political elite is that the future of America matters far less than my luxury, my comfort, and my life as a 70 or 80 year old.
00:10:28.000 And that's an inversion of what actually built America.
00:10:31.000 It used to be that I'm going to sacrifice so my kids could flourish. 0.95
00:10:35.000 I'm a millennial and I get insulted all the time as being called lazy, as being called dumb, as being called short-sighted.
00:10:43.000 And why is it okay to relentlessly attack millennials, but never say to baby boomers, hey, maybe you guys shouldn't have spent all this money? 0.94
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00:11:56.000 Charlie, I'm a boomer.
00:11:58.000 We've done everything right.
00:11:59.000 How dare you even insinuate, blame me for the debt?
00:12:03.000 How dare you?
00:12:04.000 I'm not saying that every single boomer has done this, but it is correct that this generation's legacy will be leaving an America that is less free and less fiscally solvent.
00:12:13.000 That's a fact.
00:12:14.000 I'm not blaming you, but it's a fact.
00:12:18.000 Every generation has a legacy.
00:12:20.000 This legacy will be, I'm going to hand an America that is a complete horror show.
00:12:25.000 Charlie, how dare you blame baby boomers?
00:12:27.000 It's the socialist agenda.
00:12:29.000 Get a grip, Charlie.
00:12:30.000 Okay, fine.
00:12:32.000 I knew that if I even dared to touch on it, boom, it's the most sensitive topic of any topic I talk about.
00:12:38.000 Because that is, I mean, as Friedrich Nietzsche would say, there's a central piety you are not allowed to touch.
00:12:44.000 And even beginning to ask the question of did maybe this generation not prioritize fiscal spending far enough, you get cross-examined.
00:12:55.000 That's fine.
00:12:55.000 And by the way, there's so many amazing babies.
00:12:57.000 My parents are baby boomers.
00:12:58.000 They're awesome.
00:12:58.000 And there's so many great baby boomers.
00:13:00.000 But there is a macro judgment that needs to be made of, huh, the net output of this generation is a lot of debt, a younger generation that is not exactly in a good place, and lockdowns, COVID vaccines.
00:13:18.000 Is there something here that maybe requires some self-examination?
00:13:24.000 Okay, I want to play a piece of tape here, though.
00:13:26.000 It's just kind of fun.
00:13:27.000 This was one of this, my first ever television interview talking about the debt.
00:13:34.000 I was 18 years old and I was still in high school when this interview happened.
00:13:40.000 Play cut 92.
00:13:42.000 A lot of kids are feeling the effects of what we like to call, you know, with the Washington economy with a lot of debt plummeting small business with higher regulation and high taxes.
00:13:50.000 We're just trying to reinstitute the founding principles, free market, fiscal responsibility.
00:13:55.000 SOS liberty is a nonpartisan.
00:13:56.000 We don't consider this Republican versus Democrat issue, but rather a generational one.
00:14:01.000 And it's just math.
00:14:02.000 If you look at the debt that our generation is going to have to inherit, the high interest and high taxes, we think that it's time for our generation to step up to the plate and sound the SOS signal to Washington.
00:14:11.000 Hey, that was when I was 18 years old.
00:14:13.000 So I've at least been on message the last 11 years.
00:14:17.000 I get a kick out of it.
00:14:18.000 And look, someone says here, Charlie, how dare you make this pointless comparison?
00:14:23.000 Baby boomers have done everything basically correct, raising kids, paying their mortgage. 1.00
00:14:28.000 The real battle is against liberals.
00:14:30.000 How dare you blame baby boomers?
00:14:32.000 Again, I don't think, I can't even talk.
00:14:35.000 Honestly, this will probably be my last time ever bringing up this topic because I get such a tribal response when I bring this up, regardless of how much nuance I contribute to it.
00:14:45.000 Regardless of me saying that there are wonderful baby boomers, regardless of me saying that it's mostly the powerful elite, it's just the tribalism of the defense of a generation is remarkable. 0.74
00:14:57.000 And it really makes you think that why is it then okay to, yeah, by the way, will you guys feel better if I just attack my own generation?
00:15:06.000 Now, watch how double standard this.
00:15:08.000 Ready?
00:15:09.000 Begin. 0.99
00:15:09.000 Millennials are the worst. 0.99
00:15:11.000 All they do is they stare at their phones all day long. 0.99
00:15:13.000 They don't like to work.
00:15:14.000 They live at their parents' basements.
00:15:16.000 They smoke marijuana all day long. 0.98
00:15:19.000 They're lazy. 0.98
00:15:20.000 They don't work the hours they should. 1.00
00:15:23.000 They're the gayest generation in history. 1.00
00:15:24.000 They're not getting married.
00:15:25.000 They don't have kids. 1.00
00:15:26.000 Millennials are the worst. 1.00
00:15:28.000 You guys okay with that? 0.99
00:15:30.000 Oh, so it's, wait, wait, hold on a second. 0.52
00:15:32.000 Millennials are boomers, kids. 0.98
00:15:34.000 Can't say that.
00:15:35.000 That's a thought crime.
00:15:36.000 Charlie, stop blaming a generation.
00:15:39.000 It's weak Republicans and Democrats.
00:15:41.000 Walk it back.
00:15:42.000 Apologize. 0.93
00:15:42.000 How dare you attack baby boomers? 0.93
00:15:45.000 Yeah, I'm not going to apologize for facts.
00:15:48.000 Again, there's some wonderful, wonderful baby boomers.
00:15:51.000 Charlie, you've lost me.
00:15:52.000 Most of our debt came forward since Obama.
00:15:54.000 This country has boarded the spending train since free healthcare socialist boondongle.
00:15:58.000 Why blame the baby boomers?
00:15:59.000 Have you ever tried to stop Pelosi?
00:16:01.000 I hate to break it to you.
00:16:03.000 Who do you think those are?
00:16:05.000 What do you think Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, and Trump are?
00:16:09.000 I mean, actually, they might actually be on the edge.
00:16:12.000 They might be on the edge of boomer.
00:16:14.000 And is that silent?
00:16:16.000 Is that right?
00:16:16.000 Yeah, Biden is silent.
00:16:18.000 He's right on the edge, if I'm not mistaken.
00:16:20.000 Stop blaming any taxpayers.
00:16:22.000 All right. 0.99
00:16:23.000 Someone says, Charlie, you're such a whiny millennial. 0.95
00:16:25.000 Why don't you work harder? 0.98
00:16:27.000 Wow.
00:16:28.000 Okay.
00:16:29.000 I apologize.
00:16:30.000 Like I said earlier, baby boomers are the best.
00:16:36.000 I will never ever criticize them.
00:16:38.000 I think they've done everything right.
00:16:40.000 About 500 emails defending baby boomers.
00:16:43.000 It is illuminating how it is perfectly acceptable to attack millennials and attack Generation Z, but you can't ask a broader question.
00:16:51.000 Maybe there was, at least amongst some of the boomer-powerful elite, a prioritization problem.
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00:18:03.000 Someone says, Charlie, you must be trolled.
00:18:05.000 I'm a baby boomer, and I think it's actually our fault.
00:18:08.000 So chill out, dude.
00:18:09.000 Nope, not being trolled.
00:18:10.000 These are about, I'd say about six to eight hundred emails of people that are regular listeners that we recognize.
00:18:17.000 Very interesting.
00:18:19.000 Okay.
00:18:21.000 So by the way, someone says, Charlie, the issue is stolen elections.
00:18:25.000 Well, hold on.
00:18:25.000 Before, it's not even a matter of that.
00:18:27.000 It's also people that were in political power.
00:18:29.000 And let me just reemphasize this.
00:18:31.000 There are fabulous members of all generations, and there are crummy members of all generations. 0.99
00:18:37.000 But the unfortunate and the tragic fact is this, and it's not too late to fix, by the way, not too late at all, is that as things stand today, the legacy of a baby boomer generation, and yes, that is a broad categorization, and that is a big, big, big basket, is a generation that inherited a prosperous and strong country and will be handing down an unfree country. 0.56
00:19:06.000 That's a fact.
00:19:07.000 And it's a sad fact.
00:19:08.000 And it's not one that we should have delight in.
00:19:13.000 And I do want to just reinforce this point, though, that the gut instinct was what?
00:19:19.000 Close down the schools, mask the kids.
00:19:22.000 That same sort of philosophy in some ways made it morally acceptable to go from $10 trillion to $31 trillion.
00:19:31.000 And some of you are making good points in the emails.
00:19:33.000 Charlie, I do blame, like this one right here is actually defending me.
00:19:37.000 Charlie, I'm a boomer.
00:19:38.000 You're not wrong.
00:19:38.000 It was elected boomers who passed the laws and budgets.
00:19:41.000 They were the early globalists and they were big businessmen.
00:19:44.000 They were raised differently, but did the wrong thing for profits and power.
00:19:47.000 That is correct, is that there was a belief that the main drivers of the architecture of the neoliberal globalist experiment was largely driven by boomers.
00:19:56.000 Now, that's not to say every boomer subscribed to it, but it was a unique boomer phenomenon in the late 70s and 80s and 90s that really put forward what we know of as international neoliberalism.
00:20:08.000 I'll just say one final thought.
00:20:10.000 I am willing to say that millennials are largely entitled. 0.87
00:20:13.000 They have bad politics.
00:20:14.000 They don't work nearly as hard as they should.
00:20:16.000 They don't prioritize the good, the true, and the beautiful.
00:20:19.000 I am relentlessly critical against my own generation.
00:20:22.000 I encourage those of you that are baby boomers to be willing to do the same.
00:20:26.000 Joining us now is Kash Patel.
00:20:28.000 Cash, welcome to the program.
00:20:29.000 Cash, you have a new book out called Government Gangsters.
00:20:32.000 I wanted to get you on here, Cash, to walk us through the latest on the Biden document saga and this Hunter Biden rent payment.
00:20:39.000 Very interesting and bizarre.
00:20:41.000 Cash, what's the latest?
00:20:42.000 Yeah, here's what's going down.
00:20:44.000 Basically, the amount of money that Hunter Biden was paying rent in that house is the exact same sum of money that's tied to a Chinese Communist Party pipeline of funding.
00:20:56.000 And you would say, hey, that's a funny coincidence.
00:20:58.000 How is it the exact same amount to the dollar?
00:21:01.000 And I believe it's because it's part of a money laundering cover-up operation.
00:21:05.000 But the bigger problem that really no one's talking about is Joe Biden's now felony tax issue.
00:21:11.000 Joe Biden made it a stand-up point of his campaign that he was so transparent, he released all of his tax returns.
00:21:18.000 Well, thanks for doing that.
00:21:19.000 But in your tax returns, it doesn't say that you receive $42,000 a month from your son, Hunter Biden, for rent.
00:21:25.000 Did you just forget to write that down for an entire year north of half a million dollars?
00:21:30.000 Is the IRS and the Treasury Department investigating you for tax fraud?
00:21:35.000 Yeah, and so, but it looks as if it's just a one-to-one transfer.
00:21:38.000 I mean, could Hunter Biden have made it any obvious, like not round up the dollar?
00:21:42.000 So what was it, $49, like $510 or something?
00:21:46.000 I'm approximating, but from a refund of, was it a Chinese Communist Party surrogate company, satellite company?
00:21:54.000 That's what I did.
00:21:54.000 It's CFEC or something, right?
00:21:56.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:21:57.000 It's a surrogate company.
00:21:58.000 You could have structured the transaction totally differently.
00:21:58.000 And you're right.
00:22:01.000 But I think with these guys, what the American public has learned is that they are so arrogant, they just think they're never going to get caught.
00:22:07.000 I mean, the classified document itself is just the best example of that.
00:22:12.000 Joe Biden goes on a tirade against Trump.
00:22:15.000 And what do we find out?
00:22:16.000 I've been saying all along, it's not five sets.
00:22:18.000 We're going to have 10, 15 sets of documents found that have now been in the wild for six plus years that are all classified.
00:22:25.000 And it's because they never thought that they were going to get caught.
00:22:28.000 The bigger question is, what do those documents contain?
00:22:31.000 And did Joe Biden take them to protect his son and their interests vis-a-vis the CCP and make sure his son never got prosecuted for anything?
00:22:38.000 And now, do those countries who are our enemies have leverage over the sitting commander in chief?
00:22:43.000 And so how do you anticipate then these special counsels playing out?
00:22:47.000 There are two active special counsels looking into a former president and a current president on the same issue.
00:22:54.000 I mean, needless to say, and maybe I'm wrong, I don't think this has ever happened in American history before.
00:23:00.000 No, it's not.
00:23:01.000 And I think it's going to play out to show the American people that there's a two-tier system of justice for all those people that say we've been spitting conspiracy theories.
00:23:09.000 I think that's exactly what's going to happen.
00:23:11.000 And Merrick Garland is going to have the boomerang come back on his face.
00:23:14.000 But the problem with the new special counsel is he's nothing more than a government gangster, as I call him, Rod Rosenstein's protege who authorized the surveillance of me when I was running Russia Gate by subpoenaing my personal records.
00:23:27.000 This is who we're dealing with.
00:23:28.000 The same guy, Robert Herr, authorized the fraudulent FISA warrant on Donald Trump.
00:23:32.000 So now we have a corrupt DC swamp monster who leaves his seven-figure law firm to go back and become special counsel so that these special counsels, all they do is exonerate the corruption at the FBI and DOJ.
00:23:46.000 And all they, the only thing they do is target politically people they want to kneecap.
00:23:51.000 And I think what we have, what I've said repeatedly is our target is not Joe Biden.
00:23:56.000 Who cares?
00:23:57.000 Our target needs to be the administrative state.
00:23:59.000 Yes.
00:24:00.000 And we have to show the American people.
00:24:02.000 And yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt you, Cash, but I mean, I was just talking on air to Jim Jordan and my, and I'd love our audience's thoughts on this.
00:24:09.000 I said, guys, don't take the Biden bait.
00:24:11.000 They're like, yeah, we want to get these.
00:24:12.000 I said, this is a waste of time.
00:24:14.000 Cash, you ran successfully the Russia investigation from the House.
00:24:18.000 Can you just share some wisdom as to how careful the House Republicans need to be?
00:24:23.000 Because you only have, you have limited time, energy, and resources.
00:24:26.000 And focusing it on Joe Biden, the octogenarian socialist who like, I hate to be morbid about it, but 10 years from now, do you think that Joe Biden is going to be the threat to the Republic or the fourth branch of government will be, right?
00:24:41.000 I mean, no, that's exactly it.
00:24:43.000 And we have an opportunity, a very limited window.
00:24:45.000 And I hope this weaponization of the federal government subcommittee and commerce committee gets the subpoenas going immediately, not at Joe Biden, but at the DOJ and at the FBI, at Garland, at Ray, at Robert Herr, and all of their underlings who are involved in these investigations and get the documentation like we did in Russia Gate for the American people.
00:25:05.000 Get the FBI reporting on this because listen, I'm going to tell you, and I've called it for a long time, this investigation did not begin in November of 2022 because some librarians referred it to the Department of Justice.
00:25:16.000 This investigation has been known to DOJ and FBI for some time.
00:25:20.000 And there's a document called an electronic communication that the FBI has to write every time they open an investigation.
00:25:26.000 We subpoena that document from the FBI and DOJ for Russia Gate.
00:25:30.000 It took them months to get it to us, but it's what blew the whole thing open, destroyed their timeline and set us on the road to expose their corruption.
00:25:38.000 And this subcommittee needs to get that single sheet of paper showing why the FBI and DOJ and when they open this investigation.
00:25:44.000 So if we look at Solinsky's rules for radicals, which we obviously have to be very careful employing because they are Luciferian, but there is some wisdom in actually how to use these rules to pressure evil and use it against them.
00:25:55.000 There's a couple rules that I want to highlight here.
00:25:57.000 And Cash, I think you'll be able to offer some guidance on how House Republicans can proceed.
00:26:02.000 The first is obviously keep the pressure on.
00:26:04.000 I don't think that's going to be a problem.
00:26:06.000 By the way, can we get the list, Blake or Andrew, of who's on the House Oversight Committee?
00:26:10.000 It is a team of rock stars.
00:26:11.000 And credit to Speaker McCarthy.
00:26:13.000 I mean, this is a loaded.
00:26:15.000 I mean, we got Ana Paulina Luna.
00:26:16.000 We got Lauren Bobert.
00:26:17.000 We got Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:26:19.000 There will be no lack of oversight coming from the House Oversight Committee.
00:26:22.000 So anyone that had their doubts, Charlie, I don't know if McCarthy is going to actually go through this deal.
00:26:26.000 Perfectly legitimate doubts.
00:26:27.000 We got lots of emails on that.
00:26:28.000 You can now look at that oversight committee and say, wow, okay, promise made, promise kept.
00:26:33.000 But here's one that's important.
00:26:35.000 It must be a tactic that people enjoy.
00:26:38.000 But finally, Rule 13, which is important.
00:26:40.000 Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
00:26:44.000 So Cash, out of the whole roster of deep state gangsters and criminals, Christopher Wray, Peter Struckstroke Smirk, Lisa Page, we have Mayorkis. 0.68
00:26:53.000 We have Cardona.
00:26:54.000 We have this mass portfolio.
00:26:56.000 But I'm afraid they're going to go too wide.
00:26:58.000 Who, who, who, Cash, should we say this is who are we are going to pick, target, freeze, personalize, polarize?
00:27:06.000 Easy.
00:27:07.000 One person, Chris Ray.
00:27:08.000 He has single-handedly destroyed our law enforcement empire that used to be the world's premier law enforcement agency.
00:27:14.000 He has weaponized it for political purposes, and he has allowed the cover-up to cover up some of the worst criminal conduct by FBI and DOJ in United States history.
00:27:24.000 There is no greater government gangster.
00:27:26.000 I think he's worse than Chris Wray, excuse me, than Merrick Barlin.
00:27:29.000 I think Chris Ray is far worse than Merrick Garland at the AAG's office, and that's saying something.
00:27:34.000 So here's the thing.
00:27:35.000 Let's look at everything Chris Ray, from his private jet-funded trips that are taxpayer-funded to his abuse of the FISA court process to his systematic deployment of confidential human sources to cover up FBI corruption, be it January 6th or elsewhere.
00:27:55.000 We need all of that investigated and it funnels back to one person, Christopher Wray.
00:28:00.000 So I agree, but I will be honest.
00:28:03.000 I think that, remember, you want to employ a tactic that your people enjoy and a tactic that goes too long becomes a drag.
00:28:10.000 It's right out of Linsky's book.
00:28:11.000 And I'm afraid that Ray is a little bit too abstract.
00:28:15.000 Do you think you could also get to that sort of progress in the best possible sense if we go after Merrick Garland?
00:28:25.000 I think you can get it from either of them.
00:28:25.000 I do.
00:28:27.000 And we've talked about this on your show previously.
00:28:29.000 It would be slow normally if we didn't have the bench that you just outlined.
00:28:32.000 And if that bench is equipped with the power to fence the money and take the DOJ and FBI's pockets of money, then we'll make progress.
00:28:42.000 Walk us through what fencing in the money is.
00:28:46.000 Yeah, it's really simple.
00:28:48.000 Look, all budgeting matters under the Constitution have to originate and end in the House of Representatives.
00:28:53.000 That means the United States Congress's lower chamber must authorize and approve all monetary investments for our departments and agencies.
00:29:01.000 Fencing simply means an oversight committee can come in and say, hey, you, FBI, DOJ, CIA, NSA, you're not responding to our subpoenas.
00:29:08.000 You're not providing us witnesses.
00:29:10.000 We're going to take that pot of $10 million for Operation X, and I'm going to build a wall around it, and you can't legally touch it.
00:29:17.000 And we're going to keep doing it until you produce the documents and witnesses that we have demanded so we can conduct constitutional oversight.
00:29:24.000 Look, when these agencies don't respond to subpoenas, it's because they are covering up corruption.
00:29:29.000 You know that that's what's happening now, but the only way to get through it is to take their money.
00:29:34.000 I agree.
00:29:34.000 So, Cash, let's go through some concrete examples.
00:29:36.000 In fact, I think you should write a piece that we can post on CharlieKirk.com.
00:29:41.000 10 examples of what we can fence in.
00:29:42.000 So, for an easy one that we've talked about before, Christopher Ray's taxpayer-funded jet that he used, I believe, unconstitutionally illegally to go vacation in the Adirondacks that was appropriated for counterterrorism use.
00:29:54.000 And he uses the taxpayer-funded Gulf Stream for his own leisure.
00:29:57.000 That's an example.
00:29:59.000 What are some other examples?
00:30:00.000 Merrick Garland's espresso machine on the fifth floor of the Department of Justice.
00:30:05.000 I say that half kiddingly.
00:30:07.000 I know, but it's unfortunately a sad reality.
00:30:10.000 Some other basic examples are we're going to take away the pockets of millions for your new furniture.
00:30:15.000 We're going to take away, we're not going to go in there and take away systematic operational necessity funding.
00:30:19.000 Then we'll get attacked, and we shouldn't do that.
00:30:21.000 Yes.
00:30:22.000 We're going to take away the funding for your 10 new Cadillacs.
00:30:25.000 We're going to take away the funding for your new home computer system.
00:30:28.000 We're going to take away the funding so you can hire 87,000 IRS agents and make them carry guns.
00:30:34.000 That's the type of funding we can take away and hold.
00:30:37.000 Yeah.
00:30:38.000 So, and how much of this do we know of?
00:30:40.000 I mean, because some of these departments, they don't do line item budgeting, but I'm sure there's travel expenses, there's retreats, right?
00:30:49.000 There's, you know, taxpayer-funded lunches.
00:30:52.000 And some of them might not be opulent.
00:30:54.000 Some of it might be opulent.
00:30:55.000 But what you're trying to say, though, is that the little perks, the little benefits, the little niceties that many of these people use as a way to make a bureaucratic job a little bit nicer, you hold hostage as a means to the end of getting documents, witness testimony, and facts.
00:31:15.000 It's even easier than that, Charlie, because you don't have to know the exact expenditure of where that money is going, Andy McCabe's $20,000 office desk, because Congress does the line items.
00:31:26.000 So Congress knows there's 10 million set aside for quote unquote furniture.
00:31:30.000 Congress knows there's 10 million set aside for travel.
00:31:33.000 Congress knows there's 5 million set aside for new paint.
00:31:36.000 So all you have to do is go fence that money.
00:31:38.000 The agencies and departments decide how to expend that on a granular level.
00:31:43.000 But when you seize the entire pool of money, they can't do it at the macro level.
00:31:47.000 So Congress knows the budget.
00:31:49.000 Somebody has to go in there and read it.
00:31:50.000 That's usually step one, which most members of Congress haven't done.
00:31:54.000 And then you pick out the items to fence.
00:31:56.000 Yeah.
00:31:56.000 And so, but we do this also in concert and in harmony with, for example, the weaponization of government committee.
00:32:05.000 So for example, if we're investigating Five Eyes, right?
00:32:08.000 And we're investigating the CIA, you go after that $8 million retreat budget that Langley uses, correct?
00:32:19.000 That's exactly right.
00:32:20.000 And as long as the committee chairman and women are talking to each other about what subpoenas they're sending where, and we don't duplicate efforts, then you can actually double down on your authority and power and say, we're going to fence this money on oversight. 1.00
00:32:33.000 You guys go fence that money on the weaponization committee. 0.99
00:32:36.000 We could really have a two-pronged system of attack here.
00:32:39.000 I think it's so smart.
00:32:41.000 And has House leadership at least signaled the openness and the willingness to play hardball like this?
00:32:46.000 And Ryan and Boehner didn't do this, right?
00:32:49.000 Yeah, Ryan failed.
00:32:51.000 I had to go at him for months to let me do it one time.
00:32:54.000 And then we got a thousand pages of FBI documents exposing the FISA corruption shocker, shocker.
00:32:59.000 He wouldn't let us do it again.
00:33:00.000 So McCarthy, hopefully, I haven't heard a signal that he won't, but hopefully he starts signaling to these members of Congress when the subpoenas start going out that he will back their play.
00:33:10.000 This is the big play, everybody.
00:33:12.000 And so for some of you out there that say, hey, there is very little upside to controlling the House, because we get a lot of emails.
00:33:19.000 Charlie, what does it matter?
00:33:21.000 No, now this is a way to get real systemic change with very little effort that is actually also popular in the eyes of the American people.
00:33:31.000 If you go after the perks of bureaucrats, if you go after the lifestyle niceties of the fourth branch of government and use that as a way to find out what's really going on, that is an 80-20 issue, a 90-10 issue.
00:33:46.000 Like you said, you don't go after operational funding.
00:33:48.000 You go after the little luxuries.
00:33:50.000 Check out Cash's new book, Government Gangsters.
00:33:52.000 Cash.
00:33:52.000 Thank you so much.
00:33:53.000 Appreciate it.
00:33:54.000 Thanks so much.
00:33:54.000 Appreciate it.
00:33:57.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:33:59.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
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