The Charlie Kirk Show - America's Mass Psychosis of FEAR with Psychiatrist Mark McDonald

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's Anna Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 Dr. McDonald, author of The United States of Fear, one of my favorite conversations that we've had for quite some time.

00:00:07.000 Where does fear come from?

00:00:09.000 What does it mean for a nation that is living under the paralysis and the paranoia of fear?

00:00:15.000 We talk with Dr. McDonald about how America is under mass delusion psychosis, how it's destroying young people's lives, and why we need to no longer be a nation of fear instead of one of virtue and courage.

00:00:28.000 We dive into this very thoughtful conversation.

00:00:30.000 Again, one of the most important conversations we've had in quite some time.

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00:01:38.000 I said this once and I got a lot of emails saying it's not true, but then I had other people saying it is true, including a theologian.

00:01:44.000 But over 365 times, in fact, exactly 365 times, it says in the Bible, do not be afraid or do not fear.

00:01:51.000 What is fear?

00:01:52.000 Where does it come from?

00:01:53.000 Is any fear helpful?

00:01:55.000 Well, with us for the full hour is Dr. Mark McDonald.

00:01:59.000 He is the author of the great book, United States of Fear, How America Fell Victim to Mass Delusional Psychosis.

00:02:06.000 I'm so excited to dive into this.

00:02:08.000 I have so many questions.

00:02:09.000 And we met when we did a doctor's panel about a year and a half ago, and I can't wait to explore this with him.

00:02:16.000 Doctor, thank you so much for joining our program.

00:02:18.000 Good to see you again, Charlie.

00:02:19.000 It's been a while.

00:02:20.000 You as well. 0.98

00:02:21.000 I remember that you and I were joking around because of this stupid mask mandate, and you talked about how damaging it could be for children, especially. 0.99

00:02:30.000 We're going to dive into that. 0.98

00:02:31.000 So the floor is yours.

00:02:32.000 Tell us about your book.

00:02:34.000 So I wrote this book in November of last year as a way to encapsulate what I saw as not a pandemic of a virus, but rather a pandemic of fear.

00:02:44.000 And that's the way I've seen this from the very beginning.

00:02:46.000 We have not been, largely speaking, in a medical crisis, at least not a real one.

00:02:51.000 The real crisis has actually been psychological.

00:02:54.000 I am a child and adolescent psychiatrist, so I see people with mental illness, especially young people, which is my specialty, every single day.

00:03:02.000 And since March, April, May of 2020, it's been a complete mental health disaster.

00:03:08.000 So I set out to understand why, what's going on.

00:03:11.000 I began writing, I began speaking, and eventually I put it all together in a book, which, as you said, is called United States of Fear, to describe really three things.

00:03:20.000 One, how did we get here?

00:03:22.000 What is mass delusional psychosis and how did it happen?

00:03:24.000 What are the cultural antecedents?

00:03:26.000 This didn't just show up with the virus flying over from China.

00:03:30.000 It has been with us for a long time.

00:03:32.000 The virus simply just germinated the seed.

00:03:35.000 The second part of the book is really about masculine and feminine and how male and female and attacks on the two sexes and the two genders has been a large driving force for decades, really, and will continue even after this pandemic ends.

00:03:47.000 And then finally, I write briefly about the way forward.

00:03:51.000 How do we move ahead?

00:03:53.000 And I've been actually writing a new book now that will focus specifically on that in a great degree of detail.

00:03:59.000 Well, there's so much that we're going to cover, and I'm afraid it's not enough time.

00:04:03.000 But so we're going to have to have you in person because this is something that really interests me.

00:04:07.000 I'm by no means a expert in psychology, but if you're in leadership of anything, you actually have to be really good at reading people quickly and organizing them effectively.

00:04:17.000 That's what leadership is.

00:04:19.000 And so let's start with a really basic question.

00:04:22.000 And forgive me for this question.

00:04:24.000 What is fear?

00:04:25.000 Is any sort of fear good?

00:04:28.000 And why is the level of fear we're seeing right now troubling?

00:04:33.000 Fear is not a bad emotion.

00:04:35.000 It actually helps protect us in some ways.

00:04:38.000 We're afraid of jumping in front of a bus.

00:04:40.000 That keeps us from jumping in front of a bus.

00:04:41.000 We're afraid of burning our hand on the stove, similar to pain.

00:04:45.000 When you feel pain, you pull your hand off.

00:04:48.000 Now, chronic pain, of course, is pain when there's actually no injury, when there's no risk, when there's nothing wrong.

00:04:54.000 That is not good.

00:04:55.000 That is not helpful.

00:04:56.000 So fear in and of itself is not a problem.

00:04:59.000 But when you fear things that don't exist or when you continue to fear a minor risk and it inhibits your ability to live your life fully, now we have a problem.

00:05:09.000 So the problem I have with fear and why I wrote a book about it is not to castigate fear as a bad emotion in and of itself.

00:05:15.000 There's no bad emotions, but to point out that when fear becomes exaggerated, when it becomes chronic, and when it becomes inhibitory, we wind up in a state of perpetual trauma.

00:05:26.000 And I think that this country and many other countries around the world have been living in a state of perpetual, unending, chronic trauma fueled by fear for the last two to three years.

00:05:38.000 And the consequences of that are devastating.

00:05:40.000 They are economic, political, social, psychological.

00:05:44.000 And ultimately, you lose your independence, your ability to think, your ability to criticize, your ability to really make judgments on your own without outside guidance.

00:05:55.000 And that's why really we are where we are now.

00:05:58.000 It's not because of a virus.

00:05:59.000 It's because of fear that is inhibiting us to act and to think autonomously as individual Americans.

00:06:06.000 So the level of fear we still have in America, we could call it paranoia.

00:06:12.000 We could call it irrational.

00:06:15.000 You could fill it in.

00:06:16.000 So you're a psychologist.

00:06:17.000 You are someone.

00:06:19.000 Psychiatrist.

00:06:19.000 I'm sorry, psychiatrist.

00:06:20.000 What's the difference?

00:06:21.000 That's a common mistake.

00:06:22.000 Everyone makes this mistake, Charlie.

00:06:24.000 A psychologist is trained in either clinical or research psychology through university, meaning a PhD.

00:06:32.000 So you have a doctoral degree from an academic institution.

00:06:35.000 A psychiatrist is actually a medical doctor.

00:06:37.000 I'm just like an OB, a pediatrician, internal medicine doctor.

00:06:40.000 I went to medical school, got an MD.

00:06:42.000 I just happen to specialize in mental illness. 1.00

00:06:44.000 Well, that's helpful.

00:06:45.000 And I appreciate the correction.

00:06:47.000 I have a whole thing where I want to be corrected.

00:06:49.000 Who wouldn't be?

00:06:50.000 That's a separate issue that you could dive into the psychoanalysis of that.

00:06:55.000 So help me diagnose this archetype.

00:06:58.000 And I see it quite often.

00:07:00.000 Person driving alone in car with mask on.

00:07:05.000 God, I saw this today as I was walking from my car to the gym.

00:07:10.000 I see it every single day here in Los Angeles very, very frequently.

00:07:15.000 Now, some of these people are workers.

00:07:17.000 So they're afraid, not that they're going to get sick.

00:07:20.000 They're afraid they're going to get fired.

00:07:21.000 That's true.

00:07:21.000 So the idea of compliance and intimidation is a really big factor.

00:07:26.000 So I'm careful not to judge people who have uniforms on because they're being watched and they could lose their jobs.

00:07:32.000 But when somebody's driving as a non-employed, ordinary citizen, not an Uber driver, obviously in their own car, they own their car.

00:07:39.000 They're going to the school.

00:07:40.000 They're going to the church.

00:07:41.000 They're going to the store.

00:07:42.000 They're wearing a mask.

00:07:43.000 There's something clearly wrong.

00:07:45.000 I believe that the reason why people are doing this is largely speaking due to fear.

00:07:51.000 They have become reflexively afraid of not wearing a mask.

00:07:56.000 I see it in my building.

00:07:58.000 When I went to my office at the beginning of this pandemic and would use the bathroom, there would be people who would come in and out with masks on who would run out of the bathroom when they'd see me without a mask.

00:08:10.000 I had one man who was wearing thick rubber gloves, two masks, a face shield, and a giant plastic coat over his body.

00:08:19.000 And he stood outside the hall until I left the bathroom because he would not enter with someone without a mask on.

00:08:26.000 And when I went out, I waved at him and smiled, and he started screaming at me, yelling, murderer, I don't care about human life.

00:08:33.000 He looked possessed. 0.99

00:08:34.000 He looked psychotic.

00:08:35.000 And when you use the word paranoia earlier, I think it's an accurate one because fear, when it is, as I was saying earlier, not appropriate, is actually a form of psychosis.

00:08:44.000 It's a form of delusion.

00:08:46.000 It's a fixed false belief that's contrary to reality.

00:08:49.000 I'm driving my car.

00:08:50.000 If I don't have a mask on, I'm going to get sick.

00:08:52.000 That is not just fear.

00:08:53.000 It's also paranoia.

00:08:55.000 It's also an irrational belief system.

00:08:57.000 Many, many people are believing in and following this delusional, psychotic, almost endemic cloud and have been for so long because they cannot think for themselves.

00:09:10.000 They have rejected rational thought and they've become reflexively obsessed with this altar of safety, which is illusory.

00:09:17.000 It does not exist.

00:09:19.000 In fact, they're more likely to die in the car accident in their car than they are of dying of a virus by taking their mask off, but they don't see it.

00:09:28.000 I'm busy, but I have this project that I want to work on and publish it under a pseudonym pen name, The Case to Ban Driving, and use all the same talking points that we've used to shut down schools and masks.

00:09:42.000 We must stop the spread of the people on the streets.

00:09:45.000 It's the only way to keep our children safe.

00:09:48.000 You could make the same argument under the false premise, but things that can make you go places quickly come obviously with a risk.

00:09:57.000 Really quickly, just as kind of a foreshadowing to our next segment, talk about the issues you're seeing with young people in particular because of these lockdowns.

00:10:06.000 Young people are particularly vulnerable to this pandemic of fear because they are highly, highly addicted to social media.

00:10:15.000 And they are also highly compliant.

00:10:17.000 For the first generation in American history, as far as I know, they want to follow, not attack, the man.

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00:11:34.000 Talk about the impact the lockdowns and this mass psychosis is having on the future generations.

00:11:44.000 I'll give you some examples of what I've seen in my practice.

00:11:48.000 A young girl comes with her mother and her mother says, My 14-year-old daughter is completely hysterical.

00:11:56.000 And I said, What do you mean by that?

00:11:57.000 And she said, well, she is attacking me out in public when I don't wear a mask. 1.00

00:12:02.000 So, give me an example.

00:12:03.000 Well, we were at CVS the other day, and I was wearing my mask around my chin.

00:12:07.000 And my mother looked, my mother, my daughter looked up at me and she said, Mommy, stop being Trumpy. 1.00

00:12:14.000 I didn't even know that was an expression.

00:12:16.000 But apparently, not wearing your mask among small children, teenage children here in Los Angeles, is considered being Trumpy.

00:12:24.000 So there's been a political propagandized aspect to this compliance and fear that takes over the mind of small children and indoctrinates them into a specific partisan political philosophy.

00:12:38.000 I have children who are even younger in my practice who have put their fists through plate glass windows out of frustration because they can't leave their homes.

00:12:48.000 One of them was actually hospitalized in a psychiatric inpatient unit.

00:12:52.000 Two of my patients, both late teens, early 20s, died last year of fentanyl overdoses while they were safer at home under LA Mayor Eric Garcetti's stay-at-home policy.

00:13:05.000 They certainly weren't safer at home when they were found dead.

00:13:08.000 I have never in my career in private practice lost a youth patient to unnatural causes, and I'm losing them now.

00:13:18.000 This is sick.

00:13:19.000 This is evil. 0.95

00:13:21.000 This is abusive.

00:13:22.000 We, the adults, have failed our children.

00:13:25.000 They are truly suffering.

00:13:28.000 And even the children who are adults, the younger patients, the one in their 20s, early 30s, they are unable to go to school.

00:13:36.000 They're unable to return to college because they have these massive booster vaccination shot mandates.

00:13:42.000 Some of them can't actually get jobs.

00:13:45.000 So the fear pandemic is affecting them, even if they themselves are not afraid.

00:13:50.000 And the ones that are afraid, like the girl who came to my office yesterday, 17 years old with her parents, parents not wearing a mask.

00:13:58.000 She was.

00:13:59.000 I told her to take it off. 0.95

00:14:00.000 I said, you don't need to wear a mask.

00:14:01.000 She said, I don't feel safe without it because this is her words.

00:14:05.000 There's so much variant out there right now.

00:14:09.000 And I just paused and I looked her right in the face and I said, I'm sorry to tell you this, but the adults have been lying to you.

00:14:16.000 They've been lying to you for two years.

00:14:19.000 You are safe.

00:14:20.000 You do not need to wear a mask.

00:14:23.000 You need to go back to normal life.

00:14:25.000 It made her so uncomfortable to sit there in my office and talk to me without wearing a mask.

00:14:31.000 She kept fiddling with it.

00:14:32.000 She kept pulling it under her nose, dropping it, pulling it up, dropping it. 0.66

00:14:35.000 She has become addicted to this sick, obsessive, compulsive, fear-based behavior.

00:14:41.000 I don't know how long it's going to last, but I don't think it's going to go away anytime soon.

00:14:46.000 What does this mean for the future of this generation?

00:14:48.000 Most medicated, most suicidal, most depressed, most drug-overdosed.

00:14:52.000 You've never seen anything like this in your practice.

00:14:56.000 I can't imagine it's going to be the freest generation on this trajectory unless big changes are made.

00:15:04.000 It is not.

00:15:04.000 I suspect that we are going to see an entire generation of children who are living in their parents' garages being taken care of by mommy and daddy, scared to go out, scared to work, scared to socialize, scared to date, scared to travel.

00:15:18.000 Basically, what I'm afraid of is that for the first time in history in the United States, we are going to see a generation of young people who are afraid to live, people who are more afraid of a virus than they actually love life.

00:15:31.000 I don't know what this bodes for our future, but I know it's bleak.

00:15:36.000 And I know if we don't stop it now and we don't develop a national recovery program for young people, we're not going to have a future.

00:15:43.000 National Recovery Program.

00:15:45.000 You're the first person to say that, and I love it.

00:15:49.000 And I want to explore what that would be because I got to be careful.

00:15:52.000 I get all these angry emails.

00:15:54.000 You said it, though.

00:15:54.000 So, I'm going to follow up, which is parents failing their children.

00:15:57.000 When I say that, I get a lot of hate because there's, you know, there's a generational component of people that said, we've done everything perfectly.

00:16:04.000 How dare you question that?

00:16:06.000 But I would beg to differ that this has been one of the great generational thefts in the history of the human species: of a generation that has said, We want to keep ourselves safe and we're going to restrict the development of our children.

00:16:22.000 And I want to ask you about the psychology of that, because a lot of this has been adult-driven.

00:16:27.000 It's that girl in your office, she's not old enough, nor did she think deeply about the ramifications of wearing masks all the time.

00:16:34.000 She did what she was told to do.

00:16:37.000 The question is: why did the 75 and 80-year-old leaders in DC and Sacramento develop this and why were they okay with it?

00:16:45.000 That's a psychological question I don't have an answer to, but I think you do.

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00:18:03.000 Doctor, help me understand how a generation of parents could willingly destroy their children's future and still continue to do so through mask mandates, vaccine mandates, school closures, and all the other things because they are afraid.

00:18:21.000 Help me understand that.

00:18:23.000 Back in May of 2020, the first time that I spoke publicly, I was at an Orange County School Board of Education meeting.

00:18:29.000 And the subject was: should we reopen the schools or not?

00:18:32.000 This was a month or two into the pandemic.

00:18:35.000 Schools were shut down.

00:18:36.000 We were really shocked that they were not yet open.

00:18:40.000 Little did we know that they would be closed for nearly two years in most parts of the country, certainly Democrat-controlled parts of the country.

00:18:46.000 And this was Orange County.

00:18:47.000 This is a largely conservative Republican area.

00:18:49.000 I went to the meeting and I listened for several hours.

00:18:52.000 I was almost falling asleep, exhausted.

00:18:54.000 By 10 p.m., it ended.

00:18:55.000 And they said, Would you stand up and please just summarize what your thoughts are about this?

00:18:58.000 And I said the following, which was later picked up by the Wall Street Journal in the Notables and Quotable section.

00:19:05.000 And I said something like this: Why are we here?

00:19:08.000 Why are we discussing school opening, school closures?

00:19:11.000 We're here because we, the adults, are afraid.

00:19:15.000 We are scared.

00:19:16.000 And we are letting down our children.

00:19:18.000 We are abandoning our responsibilities to care for them.

00:19:22.000 We are projecting our anxiety and our fear into our children.

00:19:26.000 We are treating our fear through them.

00:19:28.000 We are sacrificing them.

00:19:31.000 We are using our children as an escape from our own problems.

00:19:36.000 Two years later, we're still in the same position, still projecting their own fears, their own anxieties onto their children.

00:19:43.000 For the first time in history, we are telling children that they must sacrifice for the safety of adults. 0.59

00:19:51.000 The young must sacrifice for the old. 0.71

00:19:53.000 When has this ever happened before in any civilized society? 0.99

00:19:57.000 It's insane.

00:19:58.000 It's self-destructive.

00:20:00.000 It's antisocial in its very core.

00:20:03.000 The reason why this is still happening, in my view, in my opinion, is that adults have still not stood up, looked at themselves in the mirror, and admitted that they're sick, that they're scared, that they're anxious.

00:20:20.000 That's okay.

00:20:21.000 That's the first step.

00:20:23.000 towards a recovery.

00:20:24.000 It's admitting that you have a problem.

00:20:26.000 It's admitting that you have harmed yourself and harmed others, including your children, that you want to do something about it.

00:20:31.000 You want to make amends and you want to move forward.

00:20:33.000 Not enough adults have done that.

00:20:35.000 Too many adults are still so ensconced into this view of fear and anxiety and panic.

00:20:41.000 They're doubling and tripling down.

00:20:43.000 They are invested in it.

00:20:45.000 They're throwing good money after bad and they don't want to stop.

00:20:49.000 And they seem kind of uninterested in what is now the sickest and most suicidal generation in history.

00:20:57.000 That's not all parents.

00:20:58.000 We have plenty of wonderful parents that listen to our program, but that is a majority.

00:21:02.000 It is.

00:21:03.000 If you look at the polling, if you look at school closures, you look at mask mandates, you look at the Denver suburbs, you look at Orange County even, you look at Manhattan or you look at the surrounding areas of Portland.

00:21:14.000 There are suburban moms in particular that are super worried that their seven-year-old isn't wearing a mask. 0.99

00:21:21.000 And they also just seem kind of unwilling to do something about it.

00:21:24.000 And I think some parents are waking up, obviously, but there's so many other implications.

00:21:30.000 So let me ask you about this part of it.

00:21:31.000 We have a lot of friends, I could name many in particular, that have reached out to me.

00:21:37.000 Charlie, my 16-year-old daughter is depressed.

00:21:41.000 And her new normal is just depression, sadness, no hope, no idea kind of what to do, anxious all the time.

00:21:51.000 We're seeing this reflected in the numbers.

00:21:52.000 I'm sure you're seeing this as well.

00:21:55.000 What is the driving force for that?

00:21:57.000 Especially what is it just a lockdown?

00:22:01.000 Is it just all the nonsense of negative propaganda?

00:22:03.000 Or are there other things, other elements at play that have kind of created the most depressed generation in history?

00:22:12.000 Well, I'm going to maybe surprise you by saying that depression and anxiety were on the rise even before March of 2020.

00:22:20.000 And it has to do a lot with social media.

00:22:22.000 It has to do with cell phones, particularly smartphones.

00:22:25.000 2007 was when the first iPhone came out.

00:22:27.000 I remember because I graduated from medical school that year, the iPhone 1, I guess it wasn't called 1 at the time.

00:22:32.000 Now we're on iPhone, what, 10, 11, 12?

00:22:35.000 They become more and more sophisticated, more and more powerful, more and more difficult and obtuse to understand by adults, whereas children just pick them up really quickly.

00:22:44.000 Children are living essentially in a fantasy world.

00:22:48.000 They are not challenging themselves to go outside, to touch things, physical objects, other people, to speak, to see faces.

00:22:56.000 This all started way before spring of 2020.

00:22:59.000 The problem is that after spring of 2020, we simply accelerated the same direction.

00:23:05.000 It just sped up.

00:23:06.000 It sped up by a factor of 10.

00:23:09.000 So what I expected to see in 10 or 20 years, I was seeing in about one year.

00:23:14.000 And it's because of a confluence of terrible, terrible decisions by adults, by government, by bureaucrats, and obviously by parents as well.

00:23:23.000 Sequestration, anti-social distancing, mask wearing, and literally scaring children, scaring them into believing that a normal, healthy life filled with normal, healthy risk is not only dangerous, it's actually anti-virtuous.

00:23:40.000 It's immoral. 0.96

00:23:42.000 Children have been brainwashed into believing that the life that they're living now, which is pathetic, literally pathetic, it is a life of obsessive-compulsive disorder. 1.00

00:23:52.000 Is mentally ill, that that life is not only safe, it's actually virtuous. 1.00

00:23:55.000 This is the life that you should lead. 0.98

00:23:57.000 And if anyone isn't leading it, shame on them.

00:24:00.000 Don't let your kids spend the night at that kid's house. 0.98

00:24:03.000 That kid is running around like a crazy person, threatening to kill grandmother. 0.91

00:24:07.000 This is a cabal. 1.00

00:24:09.000 It is very sick. 1.00

00:24:10.000 It is evil.

00:24:11.000 It is completely avoidable.

00:24:13.000 And it is entirely the fault of adults.

00:24:16.000 You made the best point, which is the projection.

00:24:18.000 Children are consumers of information, data, circumstances, language, habits.

00:24:26.000 They largely do what they're told.

00:24:28.000 And so it's projected upon them.

00:24:30.000 And this kind of forced the hand.

00:24:33.000 I think that it was totally on the rise before the pandemic and answered my question very clearly.

00:24:33.000 And I agree.

00:24:40.000 And so I want to ask this part of it, which is kind of to connect a political part of this.

00:24:45.000 I know that you're not going to be political with this, but I think it's just generally interesting.

00:24:49.000 What does a country look like that is full of a bunch of anti-social behaviors and tendencies?

00:24:55.000 Well, I wrote a substack column, my very first one at the end of December.

00:24:58.000 I've written three more since then.

00:25:00.000 I'm posting my next one tomorrow.

00:25:02.000 And that subtact is called dissident MD, meaning one who opposes the administration in the Soviet style.

00:25:09.000 And that's really what I'm doing.

00:25:11.000 I'm offering oppositional views to what's considered the common accepted narrative on the national level.

00:25:17.000 And the title of that substack was Sadism, the next step in the pandemic of fear.

00:25:24.000 What we are seeing now is the emergence of sadism, the intentional infliction of cruelty and humiliation on others simply for our own perverse pleasure. 0.52

00:25:36.000 You saw it just yesterday with the posting of a video by two Karens, two, I assume, liberal, I don't know what their age was, probably in their 40s, white women with masks on in an elevator in New York City berating a black man for not wearing a mask while yelling Black Lives Matter in his face.

00:25:53.000 The man is more stunned than scared.

00:25:56.000 He's yelling out, did you just hit me?

00:25:58.000 What on earth is going on here?

00:26:00.000 They looked possessed. 0.99

00:26:01.000 They looked psychotic.

00:26:02.000 This is what our future looks like, Charlie.

00:26:05.000 This is where we're going. 0.97

00:26:06.000 I'm going to get in trouble, but this whole thing is a tyranny of white liberal women. 1.00

00:26:08.000 It just is. 0.99

00:26:09.000 Okay.

00:26:10.000 And so talk about that.

00:26:10.000 It is.

00:26:11.000 I'm going to get in trouble for saying it.

00:26:12.000 I don't care.

00:26:13.000 Come after me.

00:26:14.000 Tell me why.

00:26:14.000 But you agree.

00:26:16.000 In my book, United States of Fear, I have an entire section on Karens.

00:26:21.000 The Karens are largely white liberal women, often in suburban areas, but they also exist in the urban areas. 0.96

00:26:27.000 They are hysterical, absolutely hysterical. 0.94

00:26:31.000 Now, my opinion, my view on why they've become hysterical is not just due to their own faults.

00:26:38.000 It's also due to the failings of men.

00:26:40.000 I believe that men have largely abandoned their masculine responsibilities.

00:26:44.000 They've left a vacuum of protection, courage, leadership in our culture.

00:26:48.000 And women have jumped in. 1.00

00:26:50.000 Now, conservative women are fine jumping in because they're used to jumping in. 1.00

00:26:54.000 They're used to protecting and cooking and cleaning and going out with the gun and taking care of the livestock. 0.95

00:27:01.000 Women, they go to church. 1.00

00:27:03.000 They're stout.

00:27:05.000 They don't depend on the government when their husband isn't around. 0.99

00:27:08.000 They depend on themselves and their neighbors in their church.

00:27:10.000 What do white liberal women depend on? 1.00

00:27:12.000 They have nobody. 0.63

00:27:13.000 All they have is the top up there.

00:27:15.000 And it's not God.

00:27:16.000 It's bureaucrats in government. 0.99

00:27:18.000 So men have left them.

00:27:19.000 Men have disappeared.

00:27:21.000 They jump in, they fill the void, they become hysterical.

00:27:24.000 Literally, they've lost their minds.

00:27:26.000 They are almost possessed in a certain way.

00:27:28.000 And they go crazy trying to control their environment by yelling at people who differ from them.

00:27:33.000 And it's not just control because they want to order people around.

00:27:36.000 It's because it gives them a sense of purpose and meaning and allows them to feel that they have power because they inherently feel powerless.

00:27:43.000 They are dependent on the government.

00:27:45.000 And now the men have left them.

00:27:47.000 So where do they turn?

00:27:48.000 They turn towards controlling everyone else.

00:27:50.000 Well, that's exactly right.

00:27:52.000 They have a yearning to be an autocrat.

00:27:54.000 And what better way to find purpose than to go try and invade Poland or whatever, right?

00:28:00.000 I mean, that's an extreme example, but it's true, right? 1.00

00:28:03.000 Like, if I can't invade Poland, I'm going to scream at some black guy in an elevator. 1.00

00:28:07.000 It's the same sort of psychological impulse, right? 0.98

00:28:09.000 That made Alexander go east endlessly to India that also has some crazy woman screaming at someone in the elevator. 1.00

00:28:15.000 I'm going to focus on the male aspect of it.

00:28:18.000 Why are men so weak?

00:28:20.000 What is it with this kind of betaization of the American male?

00:28:25.000 Has the American culture become too feminine?

00:28:27.000 Is that why we've had such an awful response to this?

00:28:30.000 The American culture has been largely feminized and also neutered.

00:28:33.000 I have two 17, 27-year-olds in my practice, one male, one female.

00:28:37.000 The 27-year-old woman has come to me and she said, she's very attractive, beautiful, smart, intelligent, very datable for someone in that age group.

00:28:46.000 Where are all the men?

00:28:48.000 What happened to them?

00:28:49.000 Nobody looks at me.

00:28:50.000 Nobody asks me out.

00:28:51.000 I am alone. 0.92

00:28:52.000 I am miserable. 0.51

00:28:53.000 I am depressed.

00:28:54.000 Well, the answer is the 27-year-old male patient who comes in the next day.

00:28:59.000 I can't find any women. 1.00

00:29:01.000 I'm scared to ask them out. 1.00

00:29:03.000 I'm on my phone playing video games and masturbating at home and flip-flopping on Hinge all day long. 0.98

00:29:03.000 That's right. 0.98

00:29:08.000 Do you know why?

00:29:09.000 Because he was falsely accused of rape by a mentally ill young woman at his frat house two years ago when he was in college out of state.

00:29:17.000 And he went through two years, two years of court cases and several hundred thousand dollars of attorneys fees in order to extricate himself from this.

00:29:24.000 He is frightened.

00:29:25.000 He is scared.

00:29:26.000 He does not want to go after women in a masculine way and say, I like you, I desire you.

00:29:31.000 I want to date you.

00:29:32.000 Because if he says anything like that, he may end up becoming arrested again.

00:29:37.000 And it's not just that instance.

00:29:39.000 I guarantee you, when things like that happen, it's like a virus, get it, to the hundred other men that he knows or the thousand other men.

00:29:45.000 They all see that as a societal signal, right?

00:29:48.000 So because, you know, use those examples.

00:29:50.000 I use those examples of people say, oh, no, that's just a one-off thing.

00:29:52.000 Like, you don't understand.

00:29:53.000 When that happens in a community or in a campus, everyone hears about it.

00:29:57.000 False accusations. 0.83

00:29:58.000 And it creates this retreat towards feminization, which might answer why we have the gayest generation in history.

00:30:06.000 And I'm not saying that as a pejorative. 0.59

00:30:07.000 It just is. 1.00

00:30:07.000 It is the gayest generation in history. 1.00

00:30:09.000 40% of young people are either lesbian, gay, or transgender, according to Arizona Christian University. 0.99

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00:31:41.000 What is mass formation psychosis?

00:31:43.000 Mass formation psychosis is a neologism that was coined by Dr. Robert Malone that has been largely repeated recently in the news.

00:31:53.000 But what he's actually trying to say is mass delusional psychosis, which is a term that I actually began using almost two years ago in fall of 2020.

00:32:02.000 It's also a pickup off of Dr. Matthias Desmet's phrase, mass formation, which means mass psychosis, which describes the exact same thing, which is an entire society of people all at the same time, essentially losing their rational faculties and following a fixed false belief, such as we're all going to die of the virus and we can survive only if we stay at home, wear masks, and stop working and stop going to school.

00:32:30.000 That is the mass delusional psychosis of 2020 through to today.

00:32:35.000 Where does it come from?

00:32:36.000 How do you pull that off?

00:32:38.000 They call it a conspiracy theory, the smear artists of the regime media.

00:32:43.000 Is that really possible to convince a country of 330 million people of something?

00:32:48.000 Or what's the psychology behind all that?

00:32:51.000 It is possible if it's been pre-planned.

00:32:54.000 Now, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but for the last several decades, we have been primed or groomed, I would say, just like a sexual predator grooms his victim, to normalize what is unhealthy behavior, i.e., fear, panic, trauma.

00:33:08.000 We have been told by the bureaucrats, by the corporations, by the politicians, by the media, that we should be afraid all of the time.

00:33:17.000 We should be afraid of economic collapse, ecological collapse, systemic racism, rape culture, rape campus, Donald Trump.

00:33:25.000 We moved into 2020 already anxious.

00:33:27.000 We were already vibrating with fear as a culture.

00:33:30.000 Everything around us is dangerous.

00:33:32.000 And wow, perfect opportunity. 1.00

00:33:34.000 Now we have something from China that is killing people, and we don't know exactly how or why. 1.00

00:33:39.000 It could kill everybody. 1.00

00:33:40.000 Maybe it could kill nobody.

00:33:41.000 But if it does kill everybody, we better do something about it.

00:33:44.000 So the government and the media and the corporations all saw the opportunity for themselves to jump in, to take control, and to say, we are going to save you, but it's going to come at a cost.

00:33:57.000 It's going to come at a cost of liberty, judgment, individuation, and ultimately, you will all be dependent on us, but you will be alive and you will be safe.

00:34:07.000 And we all bought into it because we were all primed to do it.

00:34:12.000 So in closing, I know you're writing a book about this, two minutes remaining.

00:34:16.000 What can we do about all this?

00:34:18.000 Well, in my first book, United States of Fear, I describe the way forward.

00:34:22.000 And one of the first steps, and Dennis Prager has said this quite frequently, is to find like-minded people to come together to support one another in a zone of safety, fearlessness, and sanity.

00:34:32.000 In my upcoming book, which is tentatively going to be titled, Freedom from Fear, a 12-step program to an individual and national recovery, modeled after AA and Jordan P. Peterson's 12 Rules for Life, I'm going to initiate the book by describing how fear has become an addiction.

00:34:50.000 And the first thing you do when you're an addict is you look in the mirror and you say, I am addicted to fear.

00:34:56.000 It has harmed me.

00:34:57.000 It has harmed my friends.

00:34:58.000 It has harmed my loved ones.

00:34:59.000 I have lost control, but I want to move forward and I'm willing to make amends.

00:35:05.000 And the last step in the 12-step program is mentorship.

00:35:09.000 Once you've passed through all of the first 11 steps and you have the knowledge, the fearlessness and the courage, you go out and you convert others and you bring them to abstinence, abstinence from fear.

00:35:20.000 I'm going to outline this all in very clear, very well-referenced, well-researched, easily understandable steps so that people can work through it on their own.

00:35:29.000 And those who are fearless, they will be able to use it to help others drop their fear.

00:35:34.000 And then we can come together as a country.

00:35:35.000 We can unite.

00:35:36.000 We can put aside all this nonsense, this insanity.

00:35:39.000 We can realize that we actually all have a lot in common.

00:35:41.000 Anyone who's not on the left, anyone at all, can find common ground with the others.

00:35:46.000 I totally agree with that. 0.90

00:35:48.000 If you're not one of the wokies, one of the Bolsheviks, the Leninites, the Maoists, which I really believe is 5% to 7% of the population, legitimately, if they actually knew what it all was, not the vapor. 0.96

00:35:58.000 And by the way, that's the anti-social, by the way. 0.90

00:36:00.000 I mean, you basically have 5% to 7% of people that...

00:36:03.000 Mental illness.

00:36:04.000 That's right.

00:36:04.000 Pathology, sociopathy.

00:36:06.000 Under a political guise, but they're sick. 0.99

00:36:06.000 Yes. 0.99

00:36:07.000 There's nothing we can do about that.

00:36:09.000 They're lost.

00:36:09.000 They're hopeless.

00:36:10.000 Don't try to convert them. 1.00

00:36:11.000 That's right.

00:36:11.000 You just defeat them, and then you build an overwhelming consensus and coalition with the same team reality, people that don't want to live in some sort of anti-gravity environment that could be enacted if we have a $100 trillion spending bill.

00:36:22.000 United States of Fear.

00:36:23.000 Dr. McDonald, phenomenal.

00:36:25.000 We're going to have you back on soon.

00:36:27.000 I think this is one of the most important topics because it's not just about epidemiology or all that.

00:36:31.000 There's a deeper game at play here, which is the human mind and the soul and the spirit and how those things all kind of incorporate with one another.

00:36:38.000 United States of Fear, check it out right now.

00:36:40.000 Doctor, thank you so much.

00:36:41.000 We'll have you back on soon.

00:36:42.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:36:43.000 Love you.

00:36:43.000 Thanks.

00:36:44.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:45.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com and get involved with Turning PointUSA at tpusa.com.

00:36:51.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:52.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 27, 2022

America's Mass Psychosis of FEAR with Psychiatrist Mark McDonald

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