00:00:09.000What does it mean for a nation that is living under the paralysis and the paranoia of fear?
00:00:15.000We talk with Dr. McDonald about how America is under mass delusion psychosis, how it's destroying young people's lives, and why we need to no longer be a nation of fear instead of one of virtue and courage.
00:00:28.000We dive into this very thoughtful conversation.
00:00:30.000Again, one of the most important conversations we've had in quite some time.
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00:02:21.000I remember that you and I were joking around because of this stupid mask mandate, and you talked about how damaging it could be for children, especially.
00:02:34.000So I wrote this book in November of last year as a way to encapsulate what I saw as not a pandemic of a virus, but rather a pandemic of fear.
00:02:44.000And that's the way I've seen this from the very beginning.
00:02:46.000We have not been, largely speaking, in a medical crisis, at least not a real one.
00:02:51.000The real crisis has actually been psychological.
00:02:54.000I am a child and adolescent psychiatrist, so I see people with mental illness, especially young people, which is my specialty, every single day.
00:03:02.000And since March, April, May of 2020, it's been a complete mental health disaster.
00:03:08.000So I set out to understand why, what's going on.
00:03:11.000I began writing, I began speaking, and eventually I put it all together in a book, which, as you said, is called United States of Fear, to describe really three things.
00:03:32.000The virus simply just germinated the seed.
00:03:35.000The second part of the book is really about masculine and feminine and how male and female and attacks on the two sexes and the two genders has been a large driving force for decades, really, and will continue even after this pandemic ends.
00:03:47.000And then finally, I write briefly about the way forward.
00:03:53.000And I've been actually writing a new book now that will focus specifically on that in a great degree of detail.
00:03:59.000Well, there's so much that we're going to cover, and I'm afraid it's not enough time.
00:04:03.000But so we're going to have to have you in person because this is something that really interests me.
00:04:07.000I'm by no means a expert in psychology, but if you're in leadership of anything, you actually have to be really good at reading people quickly and organizing them effectively.
00:04:56.000So fear in and of itself is not a problem.
00:04:59.000But when you fear things that don't exist or when you continue to fear a minor risk and it inhibits your ability to live your life fully, now we have a problem.
00:05:09.000So the problem I have with fear and why I wrote a book about it is not to castigate fear as a bad emotion in and of itself.
00:05:15.000There's no bad emotions, but to point out that when fear becomes exaggerated, when it becomes chronic, and when it becomes inhibitory, we wind up in a state of perpetual trauma.
00:05:26.000And I think that this country and many other countries around the world have been living in a state of perpetual, unending, chronic trauma fueled by fear for the last two to three years.
00:05:38.000And the consequences of that are devastating.
00:05:40.000They are economic, political, social, psychological.
00:05:44.000And ultimately, you lose your independence, your ability to think, your ability to criticize, your ability to really make judgments on your own without outside guidance.
00:05:55.000And that's why really we are where we are now.
00:07:58.000When I went to my office at the beginning of this pandemic and would use the bathroom, there would be people who would come in and out with masks on who would run out of the bathroom when they'd see me without a mask.
00:08:10.000I had one man who was wearing thick rubber gloves, two masks, a face shield, and a giant plastic coat over his body.
00:08:19.000And he stood outside the hall until I left the bathroom because he would not enter with someone without a mask on.
00:08:26.000And when I went out, I waved at him and smiled, and he started screaming at me, yelling, murderer, I don't care about human life.
00:08:35.000And when you use the word paranoia earlier, I think it's an accurate one because fear, when it is, as I was saying earlier, not appropriate, is actually a form of psychosis.
00:08:55.000It's also an irrational belief system.
00:08:57.000Many, many people are believing in and following this delusional, psychotic, almost endemic cloud and have been for so long because they cannot think for themselves.
00:09:10.000They have rejected rational thought and they've become reflexively obsessed with this altar of safety, which is illusory.
00:09:19.000In fact, they're more likely to die in the car accident in their car than they are of dying of a virus by taking their mask off, but they don't see it.
00:09:28.000I'm busy, but I have this project that I want to work on and publish it under a pseudonym pen name, The Case to Ban Driving, and use all the same talking points that we've used to shut down schools and masks.
00:09:42.000We must stop the spread of the people on the streets.
00:09:45.000It's the only way to keep our children safe.
00:09:48.000You could make the same argument under the false premise, but things that can make you go places quickly come obviously with a risk.
00:09:57.000Really quickly, just as kind of a foreshadowing to our next segment, talk about the issues you're seeing with young people in particular because of these lockdowns.
00:10:06.000Young people are particularly vulnerable to this pandemic of fear because they are highly, highly addicted to social media.
00:10:17.000For the first generation in American history, as far as I know, they want to follow, not attack, the man.
00:10:23.000And that makes them particularly vulnerable to propaganda, indoctrination, peer pressure, and unfortunately, irrational and exceeding of authority commandments from government politicians and bureaucrats.
00:10:38.000How many years have I been telling you about Relief Factor?
00:10:40.000Producer Andrews right here doing an Iron Man thanks to Relief Factor.
00:10:43.000And truth is, I know there are millions of people.
00:10:45.000In fact, some say over 100 million people struggling with some kind of pain, maybe from exercise or just getting older.
00:10:50.000That can do it, getting older, which is why I'm so impressed with the people at relieffactor.com.
00:10:55.000You rarely see this kind of focus and commitment.
00:10:58.000They recently shared with me that they are doubling down and want to literally double their total number of happy customers in the next year.
00:11:05.000So here's the deal: if you're struggling with back pain, neck pain, shoulder, hip, or knee pain, even general muscle aches and pain, then I'm suggesting you order their three-week quick start, still discounted, only $19.95.
00:12:03.000Well, we were at CVS the other day, and I was wearing my mask around my chin.
00:12:07.000And my mother looked, my mother, my daughter looked up at me and she said, Mommy, stop being Trumpy.
00:12:14.000I didn't even know that was an expression.
00:12:16.000But apparently, not wearing your mask among small children, teenage children here in Los Angeles, is considered being Trumpy.
00:12:24.000So there's been a political propagandized aspect to this compliance and fear that takes over the mind of small children and indoctrinates them into a specific partisan political philosophy.
00:12:38.000I have children who are even younger in my practice who have put their fists through plate glass windows out of frustration because they can't leave their homes.
00:12:48.000One of them was actually hospitalized in a psychiatric inpatient unit.
00:12:52.000Two of my patients, both late teens, early 20s, died last year of fentanyl overdoses while they were safer at home under LA Mayor Eric Garcetti's stay-at-home policy.
00:13:05.000They certainly weren't safer at home when they were found dead.
00:13:08.000I have never in my career in private practice lost a youth patient to unnatural causes, and I'm losing them now.
00:15:04.000I suspect that we are going to see an entire generation of children who are living in their parents' garages being taken care of by mommy and daddy, scared to go out, scared to work, scared to socialize, scared to date, scared to travel.
00:15:18.000Basically, what I'm afraid of is that for the first time in history in the United States, we are going to see a generation of young people who are afraid to live, people who are more afraid of a virus than they actually love life.
00:15:31.000I don't know what this bodes for our future, but I know it's bleak.
00:15:36.000And I know if we don't stop it now and we don't develop a national recovery program for young people, we're not going to have a future.
00:15:54.000So, I'm going to follow up, which is parents failing their children.
00:15:57.000When I say that, I get a lot of hate because there's, you know, there's a generational component of people that said, we've done everything perfectly.
00:16:06.000But I would beg to differ that this has been one of the great generational thefts in the history of the human species: of a generation that has said, We want to keep ourselves safe and we're going to restrict the development of our children.
00:16:22.000And I want to ask you about the psychology of that, because a lot of this has been adult-driven.
00:16:27.000It's that girl in your office, she's not old enough, nor did she think deeply about the ramifications of wearing masks all the time.
00:16:37.000The question is: why did the 75 and 80-year-old leaders in DC and Sacramento develop this and why were they okay with it?
00:16:45.000That's a psychological question I don't have an answer to, but I think you do.
00:16:51.000Look, did you get hit with a big tax spill you were not expecting?
00:16:54.000With rates still being very low and home equity being high, it's the perfect time to refinance and get some cash out of your home.
00:17:01.000Look, you could go to one of these woke banks, Citibank, Chase, where they hate you, they hate the country, and they hate Christianity, or you could refinance right now all of your mortgage needs.
00:18:03.000Doctor, help me understand how a generation of parents could willingly destroy their children's future and still continue to do so through mask mandates, vaccine mandates, school closures, and all the other things because they are afraid.
00:18:36.000We were really shocked that they were not yet open.
00:18:40.000Little did we know that they would be closed for nearly two years in most parts of the country, certainly Democrat-controlled parts of the country.
00:20:03.000The reason why this is still happening, in my view, in my opinion, is that adults have still not stood up, looked at themselves in the mirror, and admitted that they're sick, that they're scared, that they're anxious.
00:21:03.000If you look at the polling, if you look at school closures, you look at mask mandates, you look at the Denver suburbs, you look at Orange County even, you look at Manhattan or you look at the surrounding areas of Portland.
00:21:14.000There are suburban moms in particular that are super worried that their seven-year-old isn't wearing a mask.
00:21:21.000And they also just seem kind of unwilling to do something about it.
00:21:24.000And I think some parents are waking up, obviously, but there's so many other implications.
00:21:30.000So let me ask you about this part of it.
00:21:31.000We have a lot of friends, I could name many in particular, that have reached out to me.
00:21:37.000Charlie, my 16-year-old daughter is depressed.
00:21:41.000And her new normal is just depression, sadness, no hope, no idea kind of what to do, anxious all the time.
00:21:51.000We're seeing this reflected in the numbers.
00:21:57.000Especially what is it just a lockdown?
00:22:01.000Is it just all the nonsense of negative propaganda?
00:22:03.000Or are there other things, other elements at play that have kind of created the most depressed generation in history?
00:22:12.000Well, I'm going to maybe surprise you by saying that depression and anxiety were on the rise even before March of 2020.
00:22:20.000And it has to do a lot with social media.
00:22:22.000It has to do with cell phones, particularly smartphones.
00:22:25.0002007 was when the first iPhone came out.
00:22:27.000I remember because I graduated from medical school that year, the iPhone 1, I guess it wasn't called 1 at the time.
00:22:32.000Now we're on iPhone, what, 10, 11, 12?
00:22:35.000They become more and more sophisticated, more and more powerful, more and more difficult and obtuse to understand by adults, whereas children just pick them up really quickly.
00:22:44.000Children are living essentially in a fantasy world.
00:22:48.000They are not challenging themselves to go outside, to touch things, physical objects, other people, to speak, to see faces.
00:22:56.000This all started way before spring of 2020.
00:22:59.000The problem is that after spring of 2020, we simply accelerated the same direction.
00:23:09.000So what I expected to see in 10 or 20 years, I was seeing in about one year.
00:23:14.000And it's because of a confluence of terrible, terrible decisions by adults, by government, by bureaucrats, and obviously by parents as well.
00:23:23.000Sequestration, anti-social distancing, mask wearing, and literally scaring children, scaring them into believing that a normal, healthy life filled with normal, healthy risk is not only dangerous, it's actually anti-virtuous.
00:23:42.000Children have been brainwashed into believing that the life that they're living now, which is pathetic, literally pathetic, it is a life of obsessive-compulsive disorder.
00:23:52.000Is mentally ill, that that life is not only safe, it's actually virtuous.
00:23:55.000This is the life that you should lead.
00:23:57.000And if anyone isn't leading it, shame on them.
00:24:00.000Don't let your kids spend the night at that kid's house.
00:24:03.000That kid is running around like a crazy person, threatening to kill grandmother.
00:25:11.000I'm offering oppositional views to what's considered the common accepted narrative on the national level.
00:25:17.000And the title of that substack was Sadism, the next step in the pandemic of fear.
00:25:24.000What we are seeing now is the emergence of sadism, the intentional infliction of cruelty and humiliation on others simply for our own perverse pleasure.
00:25:36.000You saw it just yesterday with the posting of a video by two Karens, two, I assume, liberal, I don't know what their age was, probably in their 40s, white women with masks on in an elevator in New York City berating a black man for not wearing a mask while yelling Black Lives Matter in his face.
00:27:26.000They are almost possessed in a certain way.
00:27:28.000And they go crazy trying to control their environment by yelling at people who differ from them.
00:27:33.000And it's not just control because they want to order people around.
00:27:36.000It's because it gives them a sense of purpose and meaning and allows them to feel that they have power because they inherently feel powerless.
00:28:20.000What is it with this kind of betaization of the American male?
00:28:25.000Has the American culture become too feminine?
00:28:27.000Is that why we've had such an awful response to this?
00:28:30.000The American culture has been largely feminized and also neutered.
00:28:33.000I have two 17, 27-year-olds in my practice, one male, one female.
00:28:37.000The 27-year-old woman has come to me and she said, she's very attractive, beautiful, smart, intelligent, very datable for someone in that age group.
00:29:09.000Because he was falsely accused of rape by a mentally ill young woman at his frat house two years ago when he was in college out of state.
00:29:17.000And he went through two years, two years of court cases and several hundred thousand dollars of attorneys fees in order to extricate himself from this.
00:29:39.000I guarantee you, when things like that happen, it's like a virus, get it, to the hundred other men that he knows or the thousand other men.
00:29:45.000They all see that as a societal signal, right?
00:29:48.000So because, you know, use those examples.
00:29:50.000I use those examples of people say, oh, no, that's just a one-off thing.
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00:31:43.000Mass formation psychosis is a neologism that was coined by Dr. Robert Malone that has been largely repeated recently in the news.
00:31:53.000But what he's actually trying to say is mass delusional psychosis, which is a term that I actually began using almost two years ago in fall of 2020.
00:32:02.000It's also a pickup off of Dr. Matthias Desmet's phrase, mass formation, which means mass psychosis, which describes the exact same thing, which is an entire society of people all at the same time, essentially losing their rational faculties and following a fixed false belief, such as we're all going to die of the virus and we can survive only if we stay at home, wear masks, and stop working and stop going to school.
00:32:30.000That is the mass delusional psychosis of 2020 through to today.
00:32:38.000They call it a conspiracy theory, the smear artists of the regime media.
00:32:43.000Is that really possible to convince a country of 330 million people of something?
00:32:48.000Or what's the psychology behind all that?
00:32:51.000It is possible if it's been pre-planned.
00:32:54.000Now, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but for the last several decades, we have been primed or groomed, I would say, just like a sexual predator grooms his victim, to normalize what is unhealthy behavior, i.e., fear, panic, trauma.
00:33:08.000We have been told by the bureaucrats, by the corporations, by the politicians, by the media, that we should be afraid all of the time.
00:33:17.000We should be afraid of economic collapse, ecological collapse, systemic racism, rape culture, rape campus, Donald Trump.
00:33:41.000But if it does kill everybody, we better do something about it.
00:33:44.000So the government and the media and the corporations all saw the opportunity for themselves to jump in, to take control, and to say, we are going to save you, but it's going to come at a cost.
00:33:57.000It's going to come at a cost of liberty, judgment, individuation, and ultimately, you will all be dependent on us, but you will be alive and you will be safe.
00:34:07.000And we all bought into it because we were all primed to do it.
00:34:12.000So in closing, I know you're writing a book about this, two minutes remaining.
00:34:18.000Well, in my first book, United States of Fear, I describe the way forward.
00:34:22.000And one of the first steps, and Dennis Prager has said this quite frequently, is to find like-minded people to come together to support one another in a zone of safety, fearlessness, and sanity.
00:34:32.000In my upcoming book, which is tentatively going to be titled, Freedom from Fear, a 12-step program to an individual and national recovery, modeled after AA and Jordan P. Peterson's 12 Rules for Life, I'm going to initiate the book by describing how fear has become an addiction.
00:34:50.000And the first thing you do when you're an addict is you look in the mirror and you say, I am addicted to fear.
00:34:59.000I have lost control, but I want to move forward and I'm willing to make amends.
00:35:05.000And the last step in the 12-step program is mentorship.
00:35:09.000Once you've passed through all of the first 11 steps and you have the knowledge, the fearlessness and the courage, you go out and you convert others and you bring them to abstinence, abstinence from fear.
00:35:20.000I'm going to outline this all in very clear, very well-referenced, well-researched, easily understandable steps so that people can work through it on their own.
00:35:29.000And those who are fearless, they will be able to use it to help others drop their fear.
00:35:34.000And then we can come together as a country.
00:35:48.000If you're not one of the wokies, one of the Bolsheviks, the Leninites, the Maoists, which I really believe is 5% to 7% of the population, legitimately, if they actually knew what it all was, not the vapor.
00:35:58.000And by the way, that's the anti-social, by the way.
00:36:00.000I mean, you basically have 5% to 7% of people that...
00:36:11.000You just defeat them, and then you build an overwhelming consensus and coalition with the same team reality, people that don't want to live in some sort of anti-gravity environment that could be enacted if we have a $100 trillion spending bill.
00:36:27.000I think this is one of the most important topics because it's not just about epidemiology or all that.
00:36:31.000There's a deeper game at play here, which is the human mind and the soul and the spirit and how those things all kind of incorporate with one another.
00:36:38.000United States of Fear, check it out right now.