The Charlie Kirk Show - American Marxism with Mark Levin

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00:02:26.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:28.000 I am honored and thrilled to be joined today by Mark Levin, the great one, who is the author of the amazing new book, American Marxism.

00:02:39.000 Everyone should go pick up 5, 10, or 15 copies.

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00:02:49.000 In fact, we might be getting even more than that because it's such an important book.

00:02:54.000 Mark, welcome back to our program.

00:02:56.000 It's always a pleasure.

00:02:57.000 You're a great patriot, and thank you for that.

00:03:00.000 That's quite a surprise.

00:03:01.000 I appreciate it.

00:03:03.000 Well, hopefully more to come, and you deserve it.

00:03:06.000 So, Mark, first tell us why you wrote this book.

00:03:10.000 You have a very impressive portfolio of books that almost always seem to diagnose the problems we are facing.

00:03:20.000 Your last one, The Unfreedom of the Press, was the best book I have ever read as far as to where the news media went wrong.

00:03:27.000 Why did you decide to write this book, American Marxism?

00:03:30.000 I'll tell you what's interesting, Charlie.

00:03:32.000 I didn't decide to write a book called American Marxism.

00:03:35.000 In fact, the title didn't come to me until about three months before I turned it in, which was three months ago.

00:03:40.000 So, I guess six months ago.

00:03:42.000 And I saw what was happening to the country, and I said, I got to break this down.

00:03:48.000 There's just too much swirling around.

00:03:49.000 What is going on here with the riots, the way the media covering them, with our school system?

00:03:57.000 Critical race theory really wasn't known as a popular matter back then, but there it was.

00:04:02.000 And so people asked me what I do for a hobby.

00:04:06.000 This is what I do.

00:04:07.000 So I got as many books as I possibly could.

00:04:11.000 And I wanted to track down who invented critical theory, who invented critical race theory.

00:04:16.000 You know who they are.

00:04:17.000 And then I wanted to learn about them as much as I possibly could, and I have.

00:04:21.000 And then I wanted to find a way to convey that.

00:04:24.000 to the American people in a rational and understandable way.

00:04:28.000 So I did that.

00:04:29.000 And I did the same with climate change.

00:04:32.000 Like if the Earth's temperature changes one degree, you know, that's a big deal.

00:04:36.000 And all of a sudden we're going to have earthquakes and the ocean's going to rise and take over Kansas and those sorts of things.

00:04:42.000 Well, where's all this coming from? 0.85

00:04:44.000 And the so-called Green New Deal, it's an old red deal. 0.75

00:04:47.000 And so this is part of the degrowth movement of the 1970s that was also born in Europe and exported to the United States.

00:04:55.000 And this border issue, immigration issue, the radicalization of the border and immigration, things don't just happen.

00:05:02.000 These aren't just coincidences.

00:05:05.000 And if somebody runs an organization that has to deal with what goes on in college campuses, you probably know this better than anybody.

00:05:12.000 And so what I did there is I started to read their books again.

00:05:16.000 And you have what's called this Chicino movement or Chicano movement. 0.74

00:05:20.000 And what that's all about is the United States of America is an illegitimate country. 0.76

00:05:26.000 That in fact, the illegal aliens are the white European Protestants who came to the Americas and established this colony called America, then the United States.

00:05:38.000 And the indigenous peoples cannot possibly be illegal aliens.

00:05:42.000 So regardless of where they come from, North, South America, these are the people who belong in the United States.

00:05:49.000 Now, you understand you have people in the Biden administration who embrace and spew all these theories, which is why his first couple of weeks in office, he was signing executive orders that literally enshrined every one of these Marxist movements.

00:06:05.000 And they are Marxist movements.

00:06:07.000 They're spawned out of Marxist ideology.

00:06:09.000 And they are Americanized Marxist movements.

00:06:11.000 They are tailored to this country.

00:06:13.000 That's why the book's called American Marxism and not Marxism.

00:06:17.000 And as I saw these common threads, I would say to my wife, Julie, who you know well, and I'd say, this is worse than people realize.

00:06:25.000 These aren't disparate entities doing disparate things.

00:06:28.000 Maybe they were originally, but they are having an enormous impact on our society, particularly education.

00:06:36.000 But look at the whole culture.

00:06:38.000 And so I just decided to try and take it upon myself to unravel these various movements, explain fundamentally what they are, where they come from, because I believe, and I'm certainly not the only one who believes this, Charlie, that if we don't understand the enemy, and they're the enemy, they're not an adversary, they're not an opponent, they're the enemy.

00:06:58.000 We want to destroy what we have.

00:07:00.000 If we don't understand them, we can't defeat them.

00:07:03.000 And every military expert, every political campaign that succeeds, every business that's successful understands that if you're going to develop the right strategies and tactics, you need to know what you're dealing with.

00:07:16.000 So this book is seven chapters, six chapters of scholarship, which I try to explain in fairly understandable terms and try and interpret what these pseudo-scholars are saying on the left.

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00:08:38.000 So, Mark, I want to ask you about this idea of critical theory.

00:08:42.000 You mentioned where did it come from, Herbert Marcuse from the Frankfurt School.

00:08:47.000 Can you talk about how this was imported from abroad into the American academic system of the people like Michelle Foucault and Jacques Derrida?

00:08:57.000 You go, you spend a lot of time through the research of this.

00:09:00.000 And I think it's important for people to understand that this was no accident.

00:09:05.000 This was imported from abroad, from a communist school of thinkers and scholars that came to America and they found a home.

00:09:14.000 And then they repackaged Marx's ideas through not the bourgeoisie versus the proletariat, but instead of oppressor and oppressed, and then eventually realized that they could do that through racial terms.

00:09:27.000 Help explain that for our audience, Mark.

00:09:30.000 They do it through racial terms.

00:09:32.000 They do it through gender terms.

00:09:33.000 They do it through, well, this model of oppressor and oppressed, victim and victimized, remains.

00:09:42.000 And that's really when you boil down Marxism, that's what it is.

00:09:46.000 And so you need to have these class struggles.

00:09:50.000 But we don't have class struggles. 0.60

00:09:52.000 So they have to create class struggles.

00:09:54.000 You see, here's the problem with Marxism in the United States.

00:09:58.000 Marx attacked the Industrial Revolution, as you know.

00:10:02.000 The reason he attacked the Industrial Revolution, because it proved Marxism to be a joke.

00:10:08.000 It didn't create a proletariat that wanted to rise up and overthrow the country.

00:10:12.000 It created a massive middle class that loves their country and will go and fight for their country.

00:10:20.000 And so when this was occurring, you ask yourself the Soviet Union versus the United States, would you rather be a factory worker part of the proletariat in the Soviet Union or in the United States?

00:10:31.000 And clearly, it would be in the United States, just to use Marx's term, proletariat.

00:10:36.000 In America, we don't have classes. 0.99

00:10:38.000 We don't have a caste system.

00:10:40.000 We don't have oppressed and oppressor.

00:10:42.000 So this has to be constructed and it has to be projected onto society.

00:10:47.000 And this is what they do in our classrooms.

00:10:49.000 And this is what Herbert Marcuse did and others along with him.

00:10:54.000 He was very upset.

00:10:55.000 You know, he was in Berlin, the rise of Hitlerism and the Third Reich, the rise of communism.

00:11:02.000 And there was a battle, really, of sorts as the Weimar Republic collapsed.

00:11:08.000 Well, who was going to take over, the fascists or the communists?

00:11:11.000 And the fascists took over.

00:11:14.000 He never got over that.

00:11:15.000 He couldn't understand.

00:11:16.000 Here we had a failed society.

00:11:17.000 The proletariat didn't rise up and embrace communism.

00:11:22.000 And he fled.

00:11:24.000 Now, where did he flee to?

00:11:25.000 He fled to the United States.

00:11:28.000 And how does he welcome us?

00:11:29.000 And how does he show gratitude by spending his every moment trying to figure out how to overthrow the United States from within?

00:11:37.000 He winds up being a professor, Syrian, three different Ivy League schools, tenured.

00:11:44.000 And he's writing and writing and writing, trying to figure out what the weaknesses are in the American system, how Marxism can work in the American system.

00:11:54.000 And it's a long story, but I'll cut to the chase here.

00:11:57.000 Critical theory was his brainchild, pretty much.

00:12:00.000 And critical theory, the Franklin School, goes something like this.

00:12:04.000 It's applied to our laws.

00:12:06.000 And so it became popular in law school.

00:12:09.000 And what it essentially means is thumbnail sketch is these laws are unjust.

00:12:14.000 Now, why are the laws unjust?

00:12:16.000 Because the laws are written by the powerful.

00:12:18.000 The laws are written by the majority.

00:12:21.000 The laws are written by the dominant individuals in the society.

00:12:26.000 So minorities and others cannot get a fair break under the legal system in the United States.

00:12:32.000 Now, this spread throughout law school.

00:12:34.000 I was in law school and this spread throughout law school.

00:12:37.000 And so what happens is a guy by the name of Derek Bell, who Thomas Sowell really ripped very strongly because he knew who he was way back in the day, thought he was an intellectual lightweight.

00:12:48.000 He was definitely on the fringe.

00:12:50.000 He applied this to race.

00:12:53.000 Critical theory, critical race theory.

00:12:55.000 Understand the word theory.

00:12:57.000 Theory, not reality, not statistics, not history, theory.

00:13:02.000 And so, again, to make a long story short, he took this whole notion of dominating law and said dominating culture, dominating society, and that the white population founded this nation, had slavery, instituted the Declaration, instituted the Constitution, created what we're living through today, the white dominant society, the white supremacist society. 0.65

00:13:32.000 And so, in order to have true equity, in order to have true justice, you have to destroy that society. 0.57

00:13:38.000 You have to destroy it.

00:13:40.000 And notice they always want to destroy us.

00:13:42.000 That's why they're Marxists.

00:13:43.000 That's what they are.

00:13:43.000 Notice they always have classes of people battling each other.

00:13:48.000 And if you had people of color who like this society, then they have surrendered to the white dominant society. 0.88

00:13:56.000 Their minds have been colonized. 0.84

00:13:58.000 Their minds have been imperialized.

00:14:01.000 They have been conquered.

00:14:02.000 They are part of the problem. 0.89

00:14:05.000 So you can be a person who's not white, but you're part of the white dominant society. 0.83

00:14:10.000 And so every aspect of this society is illegitimate. 0.62

00:14:13.000 Every aspect of this society is racist.

00:14:16.000 Again, notice how they dehumanize people.

00:14:18.000 I mean, do you walk around saying, gee, I'm white?

00:14:20.000 I mean, nobody does that.

00:14:22.000 Walk around saying, gee, I'm a supremacist.

00:14:25.000 Nobody does that.

00:14:26.000 Which is why you have the modern era.

00:14:30.000 You have people like Kendi and Delgado who didn't invent these theories.

00:14:33.000 They make millions of dollars off of them, just so people know.

00:14:35.000 What does Kendi think about?

00:14:37.000 Well, Kendi didn't invent it.

00:14:39.000 In the book, I tell you who invented it and what they say.

00:14:42.000 He's made millions off of it.

00:14:43.000 He says, we're not interested in individual, you know, Klansmen or neo-Nazis.

00:14:49.000 We're talking about society generally.

00:14:51.000 Why?

00:14:52.000 Because the average person out there, when you talk about white supremacy, they think, you know, that's the Klan with the hoods, the neo-Nazis.

00:14:58.000 And so, no, they're talking about you.

00:15:00.000 They're not even talking about them.

00:15:02.000 They say it's worse than them.

00:15:03.000 It's you. 0.99

00:15:04.000 And so you have these fools who write these books like Delgado who say, even to so-called progressives, a word I despise. 0.98

00:15:13.000 She has her new adaptation of her old book, which isn't doing well, by the way. 0.99

00:15:17.000 You can only, you know, trash yourself so often.

00:15:21.000 And in her new book, she talks about she particularly despises the progressives.

00:15:26.000 You go, what?

00:15:28.000 Yes, because they think they're doing good, but they haven't really come to grips with their whiteness. 0.98

00:15:35.000 In other words, you never can come to grips with your whiteness.

00:15:38.000 Malcolm X said, basically, it's not the conservatives I worry about.

00:15:44.000 It's the liberals I worry about.

00:15:46.000 Because they pretend that they care about us.

00:15:48.000 They pretend they're doing good things for us, but they're not.

00:15:51.000 So basically she's regurgitating Malcolm X in 400 pages. 0.89

00:15:55.000 And so this is critical race.

00:15:58.000 There's much more to it. 0.99

00:15:59.000 I'm just thumbnail skid. 0.74

00:16:00.000 This is critical race theory.

00:16:01.000 Now, the problem is they don't believe in free speech.

00:16:05.000 They don't believe in academic freedom.

00:16:07.000 These are Marxists.

00:16:08.000 That's the bottom line.

00:16:09.000 They use race. 0.94

00:16:10.000 They use the climate. 0.97

00:16:11.000 They'll use gender. 0.99

00:16:12.000 They'll use whatever they have to use.

00:16:14.000 These different Marxist movements spawned from Marxism.

00:16:18.000 And so.

00:16:20.000 The problem is they're in our schools now.

00:16:22.000 And they're backed by the educational bureaucracy, which is a potent, powerful force.

00:16:29.000 The NEA and the AFT, which are nothing, but if they're not Marxist organizations, appendages of the Democrat Party.

00:16:35.000 You saw how they hate children all through the pandemic.

00:16:39.000 They've told governors and legislatures that have passed law to prevent them from teaching critical race theory.

00:16:44.000 We're going to do it anyway.

00:16:46.000 They've told parents to screw off. 0.62

00:16:47.000 Who do you think you are?

00:16:50.000 And so this is something we need to deal with.

00:16:53.000 And I don't mean to be long-winded.

00:16:55.000 I'm just picking this one piece of the book because there's a lot of aspects to the book.

00:16:59.000 And how do we deal with this?

00:17:01.000 Do we whine about it?

00:17:02.000 Do we go to school board meetings?

00:17:04.000 You have one minute to speak.

00:17:06.000 Okay.

00:17:08.000 What I say is we need to take some tactics from the left, you know, without the Molotov cocktails and stuff like that, the peaceful tactics from the left.

00:17:16.000 We need to apply the BDS movement to these school districts.

00:17:19.000 We need to apply Solinsky to these school districts and these individuals. 0.74

00:17:23.000 We need to apply Cloward and Piven.

00:17:26.000 And I explained who all that is for people who don't know and more.

00:17:29.000 We need to use the FOIA laws to get information about these teachers, their contracts, the unions, who's training whom, who's at these seminars, how do you promote teachers?

00:17:38.000 How do you hire teachers? 0.96

00:17:40.000 We own these damn places and we don't know a damn thing about them. 1.00

00:17:44.000 We need to use litigation. 0.99

00:17:45.000 We have litigation groups all over this country who are chopping at the bit to get involved in these activities.

00:17:50.000 Or maybe you have a local individual who's a lawyer who's willing to spend some time and help.

00:17:55.000 Again, it are all these ideas, so I won't be able to get to all of them.

00:18:00.000 Under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, there have been some good cases brought.

00:18:04.000 You don't have a right.

00:18:06.000 You don't have a right under the federal constitution to force kids to go to these schools unless they can find a way to go to another school and then teach them that they are racist or teach another that they're a victim to turn one against the other.

00:18:22.000 You have a right to a proper education.

00:18:25.000 You have a right to equal protection.

00:18:27.000 And these federal 14th Amendment cases are all worth bringing.

00:18:31.000 My attitude is we have to become litigious.

00:18:34.000 We have to overwhelm their system.

00:18:36.000 We have to use FOIA, hundreds and hundreds of parents and taxpayers in every district, unload it, baby, right onto that school district. 0.99

00:18:45.000 Same with the unions.

00:18:46.000 What do we do about the teachers' unions?

00:18:48.000 Well, guess what?

00:18:49.000 Every one of them have multiple filings in the Internal Revenue Service as a union, as nonprofit entities, and so forth.

00:18:57.000 When I headed Landmark Legal Foundation, we used to file complaints against the NEA before we went to lunch.

00:19:03.000 We can do that still.

00:19:04.000 You have evidence.

00:19:06.000 You heard what the head of the AFT said. 1.00

00:19:07.000 She's a political hack. 0.93

00:19:09.000 Okay, so what's the tax status? 1.00

00:19:11.000 Challenge their tax status.

00:19:14.000 Overwhelm the system.

00:19:15.000 Make them pay legal fees.

00:19:17.000 Back them against the wall.

00:19:19.000 Let them know you exist, that they're not going to just get away with this stuff.

00:19:24.000 And I go through a number of areas, just some of the ideas that I think we should use, because it is time that we galvanize.

00:19:31.000 It is time that we rally.

00:19:33.000 You know, some people say we're at the, we're looking into the abyss.

00:19:39.000 I say in many respects, we're in the abyss, and we have to claw our way out.

00:19:42.000 So it's time to rally.

00:19:44.000 And what I'm hoping, Charlie, maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong.

00:19:48.000 I'm hoping is we've done this throughout our history at different times in our history, one generation standing up and defending the generation behind it.

00:19:56.000 You see what's happening in our classroom, elementary school classrooms.

00:20:00.000 You see, everybody sees it now.

00:20:03.000 And if we're not going to defend our children, we're not going to defend anything.

00:20:06.000 And so I feel the time is now.

00:20:10.000 You know, we used to communicate through pamphlets early on in this country.

00:20:13.000 We're not going to be able to communicate through big media.

00:20:16.000 We're not going to be able to communicate through big tech.

00:20:18.000 We have concerted talk radio.

00:20:19.000 We have podcasts, but the written word is a lasting word.

00:20:24.000 And so I just decided, boy, is this a long-winded answer.

00:20:27.000 I just decided that one of the things we need to do is communicate with each other.

00:20:33.000 We have no savior in the Republican Party.

00:20:35.000 Nobody's going to stand up and fix this.

00:20:37.000 We have to fix this.

00:20:38.000 And so I'm hoping, like the old pamphleteers, that this book, it's obviously not a pamphlet, but can be used in the same way, that the message will get out there, that we will understand exactly what we're dealing with.

00:20:51.000 I've developed a number of strategy and tactics, and that people in their own neighborhoods, in their own school districts, that they will do the same.

00:20:59.000 And then we will learn from Charlie Kirk.

00:21:02.000 And we will network county to county, group to group.

00:21:07.000 I talk about creating community committees, patriotic community committees, and that from one county to the other, we will figure out what each one of us is doing, because it's not enough to have one school system or one of this or one of that.

00:21:20.000 We need to be big.

00:21:22.000 We have numbers.

00:21:23.000 We have resources, and we need to use them.

00:21:27.000 Well, I totally agree, Mark.

00:21:28.000 And it's long past time for people to get into the arena.

00:21:33.000 This is not a spectator sport.

00:21:35.000 You know, conservatives think at times it's like watching an NFL football game.

00:21:39.000 I'm going to buy the jersey.

00:21:40.000 I'll watch the games and I'll cheer the best.

00:21:42.000 No, you have to be in the arena.

00:21:44.000 And that's a unique advantage that we have in the American system.

00:21:49.000 So, Mark, you and I agree on this, but I get pushback from a lot of people where they say the left means well, that they're not diabolical.

00:21:58.000 They're not actually trying to deconstruct.

00:22:00.000 They just have a different way to go about it.

00:22:02.000 How important is it, Mark, that we identify that we do not have shared purpose, that we actually want two completely different things?

00:22:10.000 I think that is actually very liberating for a citizen to realize, because then you no longer have to kid yourself or try to convince yourself that you have to try to achieve some sort of false promise of bipartisanship.

00:22:25.000 If somebody tells you today that they mean well, they're out of their minds.

00:22:30.000 They're teaching racism.

00:22:33.000 They're teaching transgenderism to eight-year-olds in elementary school. 0.98

00:22:40.000 They have destroyed academic freedom in our colleges and universities. 1.00

00:22:44.000 Does that mean well?

00:22:46.000 Look at the border now, the suffering that's going on at the border because the Democrat Party wants to fundamentally change not just the nature of the nation, but that they're embracing this radical ideology that I just mentioned earlier.

00:22:57.000 Do they mean well?

00:22:59.000 You're attacking our economic system.

00:23:01.000 You're attacking the ability for people to put bread on their table, economic growth, opportunity.

00:23:08.000 When you're going after our energy system, which is the heart and soul of everything you do economically in a country, do they mean well?

00:23:16.000 They have a funny way of showing it.

00:23:18.000 When they spend money, massive amounts of money that's going to bankrupt every generation that follows us, and they don't care.

00:23:25.000 Do they mean well when they prevent little poor kids in minority inner city neighborhoods from going to schools, good schools, school choice where they can actually get an education rather than have to worry about crime?

00:23:38.000 Do they mean well when they push massive tax increases on successful people and give it to people who really make up their base or people who they are trying to get to vote for them and that sort of thing?

00:23:51.000 Do they mean well? 0.81

00:23:53.000 No, they don't mean well about any damn thing.

00:23:56.000 And so anybody who tells you that, if they're capable of reading, needs to read this.

00:24:00.000 Once you read this book, you'll know they don't mean well at all.

00:24:03.000 They are on the move.

00:24:04.000 They've already devoured many of our institutions and our culture.

00:24:08.000 And we need to wake up to this.

00:24:09.000 That's the whole first chapter.

00:24:11.000 They're here.

00:24:12.000 They're now.

00:24:13.000 They're in our face.

00:24:14.000 Look at them.

00:24:16.000 Here they are.

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00:25:17.000 So, Mark, how much of the issue do you think is on our own side, the conservative side?

00:25:23.000 Because it seems, and I put conservative in quotes, it seems as if we are able to identify the enemy, but if our own ranks are unwilling to fight as hard as necessary, then don't we also have some reorganizing we need to do within the Republican Party or the conservative movement?

00:25:42.000 You were probably more instrumental than anyone else in the Tea Party movement.

00:25:46.000 I grew up listening to you on WLS in Chicago late at night when you used to keep the drumbeat going for the Tea Party movement.

00:25:54.000 And I remember you said, Look, it's going to be the Republicans that are going to stop this thing.

00:25:58.000 And now we know that to be true.

00:26:00.000 We know that Senate leadership and kind of the insiders got in the way of it.

00:26:04.000 Mark, do you think there's a Vichy French problem at times in the Republican Party working with the other side, kind of slowing this down, pandering to the American Marxist movement?

00:26:14.000 How much blame do you put on the conservatives in air quotes for the kind of situation we're in?

00:26:22.000 This is a great question.

00:26:24.000 Series of questions, actually.

00:26:25.000 Great.

00:26:27.000 This book bypasses all that.

00:26:29.000 That is, I'm not here to fix the Republican Party or fix the conservative movement, whatever that means anymore.

00:26:36.000 I'm reaching out directly to the American people.

00:26:40.000 You know, when I walk the dogs here, neighbors come up to me and they ask me questions.

00:26:44.000 Those are the people I'm talking to.

00:26:46.000 When you're on radio, you're doing your podcast.

00:26:49.000 You get people who call in.

00:26:50.000 Those are the people I'm talking to.

00:26:52.000 I don't talk to Mitch McConnell.

00:26:54.000 They both despise each other anyway.

00:26:57.000 I'm not interested in trying to fix the Republican Party.

00:27:01.000 If we're strong enough and we've a far enough reach and we can influence enough, they will be interested in listening to what we have to say.

00:27:10.000 If we're scratching and clawing at their doors, telling them they need to fix things.

00:27:13.000 Let me put it to you this way: Do you think the old bulls, this is just a question everybody?

00:27:18.000 Do you think the old bulls who run the Republican Senate, the Republican Party and the Senate, do you think they have any idea what's swirling around? 0.57

00:27:26.000 They have no idea what's going on.

00:27:29.000 They have no idea how to address this.

00:27:31.000 You've got 11 Republicans out of 50 trying to cut deals with the Democratic Party.

00:27:35.000 The Democrat Party is a war with our constitutional construct.

00:27:39.000 Pack the court, pack the Senate, open borders, get rid of the filibuster rule, using reconciliation for amnesty. 0.60

00:27:48.000 Those people don't need to be negotiated with.

00:27:50.000 They need to be defeated. 1.00

00:27:52.000 They need to be crushed.

00:27:53.000 We need a movement.

00:27:55.000 We need a movement of American citizens who love this country.

00:27:58.000 I don't care if they're moderate Democrats, if they're libertarians, I don't care.

00:28:03.000 As I say in the first chapter, put our little differences aside.

00:28:07.000 If you love this country, if you want to keep this country, if you like your liberty, if you believe in individuality, if you believe in faith and family and property rights and unalienable rights, if you love the founding, if you love the Declaration in the Constitution, it's time, baby.

00:28:25.000 You better step up in one way or another.

00:28:27.000 You can do it behind your desk with filing complaints.

00:28:29.000 You can do it in helping organize individuals.

00:28:31.000 You can do it in a thousand different ways, but you better start doing it because nobody's coming to save us but ourselves.

00:28:39.000 I want you to think of Thomas Paine.

00:28:41.000 I want you to think of the first paragraph in the American crisis.

00:28:44.000 He wrote a lot that's important there.

00:28:46.000 It wasn't Pollyanna stuff.

00:28:48.000 It wasn't let's all be positive.

00:28:49.000 He was saying basically, it's now or never, now or never.

00:28:54.000 We didn't pick this fight.

00:28:56.000 We don't want this fight, but it is here.

00:28:59.000 We'd rather stay home and do something else.

00:29:03.000 But this is swirling around us.

00:29:05.000 You see it.

00:29:06.000 Even the best propagandists on TV can't cover it up anymore.

00:29:10.000 Your children are confronted with this.

00:29:13.000 Your kids in colleges and universities, you are confronted with this.

00:29:17.000 Now, we are adults.

00:29:18.000 We're their parents and their grandparents.

00:29:20.000 Now, what the hell are we going to do about it?

00:29:22.000 We're going to let the greatest country on the face of the earth do what?

00:29:26.000 Have this elitist mob and their fanatic followers take it from us?

00:29:31.000 Really?

00:29:32.000 No, I don't think so.

00:29:33.000 My father was a World War II vet.

00:29:35.000 My grandfather fought at Iwo Jima.

00:29:38.000 My great uncle fought at Guadalcanal.

00:29:40.000 Is it too hard to walk three miles or go three miles and confront your school board or get behind your computer and file a complaint?

00:29:48.000 And by the way, these are just a few of the things that are in there.

00:29:50.000 There's a lot we can do.

00:29:52.000 There's a lot we can do that doesn't even take that much time.

00:29:55.000 But we need to spend it.

00:29:56.000 Whether you're a truck driver, a plumber, an electrician, a lawyer, or a doctor, this is our country.

00:30:03.000 And these people who want to take it from us, they've contributed nothing to this country.

00:30:08.000 Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, Pelosi, they've been government hacks their entire life.

00:30:13.000 They don't have one year of private sector experience among them. 0.99

00:30:16.000 Black lives matter. 1.00

00:30:18.000 What have they contributed to Black lives, let alone to this country at all? 1.00

00:30:22.000 We're allowing the reprobates, the miscreants, the malcontents to dictate how we live. 1.00

00:30:28.000 Look at our streets.

00:30:29.000 Murders through the roof.

00:30:31.000 Is that what you want? 0.53

00:30:32.000 No.

00:30:33.000 So we have to do more than watch TV, listen to radio, even listen to you and me.

00:30:38.000 We have got to take things into our own hands, civilly and peacefully.

00:30:42.000 They're the Molotov cocktail crowd.

00:30:44.000 We're not.

00:30:45.000 But there's a lot of things we can do, which is the point of the book.

00:30:50.000 It's American Marxism.

00:30:52.000 So, Mark, I would argue that we were able to get to American Marxism because we decided there was this quiet war on the founding that you talk about a lot that really started with Woodrow Wilson, but before that, with John Dewey, and it came out of Johns Hopkins University of this idea of German historicism, which is the American founders weren't as enlightened as we are today, that the state will usher in this form of perfection.

00:31:16.000 And, Mark, if you kind of had the kind of Google trends going back to 1917, all of a sudden there was a new word that was introduced that quite honestly drives me mad.

00:31:26.000 And I hear even conservatives use it sometimes, which is our democracy.

00:31:31.000 We are a democracy.

00:31:33.000 Now, Mark, you more than almost anyone else, you are so precise in calling it a republic.

00:31:39.000 I think that's actually not just the semantic thing.

00:31:42.000 I think it actually has weakened our ability to defend this beautiful gift we've been given.

00:31:49.000 How important is it that we describe what we have as being a republic and not a democracy?

00:31:55.000 Well, let's think about what you're saying.

00:31:57.000 First of all, the founder, the framers of the Constitution, rejected democracy.

00:32:02.000 You have unalienable rights.

00:32:04.000 In a democracy, people will get to vote over your rights, your property rights, your other rights.

00:32:10.000 So voting and democracy have their place, but that's not what we want.

00:32:14.000 That's not what we live in.

00:32:16.000 A democracy.

00:32:17.000 A democracy would be more akin to these parliamentary systems that they have, but they're not even a pure democracy.

00:32:23.000 You want a pure democracy?

00:32:25.000 Look at the French Revolution, where they had 10 years of terror, where they were chopping off everybody's head.

00:32:30.000 Eventually, they're chopping off each other's heads. 0.64

00:32:32.000 It was a disaster at the same time with the American Revolution. 0.70

00:32:35.000 There's a big difference between the French and the American Revolution. 0.64

00:32:39.000 The French Revolution, like the Marxist revolutions, have as their purpose to destroy the society.

00:32:45.000 The American Revolution was not about destroying the American society.

00:32:49.000 It was about representative government.

00:32:51.000 It was about things that were being done to the American society from external forces.

00:32:57.000 So the French Revolution was about destroying that society.

00:33:00.000 The American Revolution was about defending the society and having representative government.

00:33:06.000 Now, what does pure democracy get us? 0.64

00:33:08.000 Mob rule. 0.78

00:33:09.000 What does mob rule get us? 0.99

00:33:10.000 The same damn place, centralized power. 0.98

00:33:13.000 And for the Democrat Party, they're rightly named. 1.00

00:33:16.000 They're the Democrat Party.

00:33:18.000 But they really should be called something else as well.

00:33:21.000 So what happens with the Democrat Party?

00:33:23.000 Well, when they win elections, they say they have a mandate.

00:33:25.000 When they lose elections, they say it's illegitimate.

00:33:29.000 When they lose elections, they turn to the permanent part of the government to rule over us, the bureaucracy, the courts, and so forth.

00:33:35.000 When they win elections, they have the permanent part of the government and they say they have a mandate.

00:33:40.000 They have a mandate to do what?

00:33:41.000 To destroy our economic system, to destroy our constitutional system.

00:33:45.000 They don't play in the sandbox anymore.

00:33:47.000 They're in the middle of the street.

00:33:48.000 And they expect the rest of us to follow them out to the middle of the street.

00:33:52.000 The Democrat Party is not the quote-unquote Democrat Party of old, although I would argue in many respects it is.

00:33:58.000 This is a party that has never embraced Americanism.

00:34:01.000 This is a party that stood for slavery.

00:34:04.000 This is a party that tried to break up the Union, as we now know.

00:34:07.000 The Confederacy.

00:34:08.000 This is a party that never accepted the end of the Civil War, even up to today.

00:34:13.000 And they chose as their leader in the Senate a Klansman, a former Klansman.

00:34:18.000 And yet they sit there and beat their chest about Jim Crow. 0.72

00:34:21.000 They are Jim Crow. 0.66

00:34:22.000 The history of Jim Crow is the Democrat Party. 0.82

00:34:25.000 We're pulling down monuments. 0.82

00:34:26.000 We're burning books.

00:34:27.000 The only thing that remains from that period of time is the Democrat Party and the name of the Democrat Party.

00:34:32.000 So it's always supported some form of tyranny.

00:34:35.000 The tyranny it supports today is a different form of tyranny.

00:34:38.000 It is Marxism or neo-Marxism.

00:34:41.000 And people are, what do you mean?

00:34:42.000 Who are you calling?

00:34:43.000 Wait a minute.

00:34:44.000 These ideas of class warfare, these ideas of tax the rich and help the poor and all the rest of it, as opposed to freedom and opportunity and mobility, where do they come from? 1.00

00:34:55.000 Joe Biden's too stupid to figure this out on his own. 0.99

00:34:58.000 Where do they come from? 1.00

00:34:59.000 We know where they come from.

00:35:00.000 Bernie Sanders is a Democratic socialist.

00:35:02.000 Are you kidding me?

00:35:03.000 He used to support the Soviet Union.

00:35:05.000 He supported Castro.

00:35:07.000 He supported Chavez and Maduro. 1.00

00:35:11.000 This guy is an old Brooklyn Red. 1.00

00:35:14.000 He has a soapbox. 1.00

00:35:15.000 You know, they used to stand on the corner in raincoats.

00:35:18.000 Well, there he is.

00:35:19.000 He's on the floor of the United States Senate.

00:35:21.000 And he is an icon of the Democratic Party.

00:35:23.000 The squad.

00:35:25.000 What the hell is a squad? 0.99

00:35:27.000 These are Marxists that hate the country. 0.99

00:35:29.000 They back Hamas.

00:35:30.000 They backed the regime in Cuba, as Bernie Sanders calls it. 0.93

00:35:35.000 They want open borders.

00:35:36.000 Have they ever said anything positive about this country?

00:35:39.000 Never, ever.

00:35:41.000 So why do we deny who they are and what they're saying?

00:35:44.000 Why do we allow them to intimidate us?

00:35:46.000 What is this?

00:35:47.000 The Red Scare you, Joseph McCarthy?

00:35:49.000 It's not the Red Scare.

00:35:50.000 I'm not Joseph McCarthy, but you do scare the hell out of us, and you're not going to intimidate us.

00:35:57.000 Last question, Mark.

00:35:58.000 Again, the book is American Marxism.

00:36:00.000 Thank you for being so generous with your time.

00:36:02.000 What gives you hope?

00:36:03.000 What gives you optimism for the future?

00:36:06.000 Because you diagnose a lot of the problems and what people can do about it.

00:36:09.000 What are you seeing that gives you even a glimmer that tomorrow can be brighter?

00:36:15.000 Well, I do study American history, and this would be the first generation in America that would roll over to this sort of tyranny, whether it's tyranny from without or tyranny from within.

00:36:27.000 And I cannot believe that the parents and grandparents out there who see what's going on to their children in elementary schools or see what's going on to their children in college campuses.

00:36:37.000 I cannot believe that red-blooded Americans of all backgrounds and faith that see what's going on on the border for no damn good reason.

00:36:45.000 I cannot believe that the people who have benefited from capitalism in so many ways, we can go into a grocery store and you have 50 choices of bread and 20 choices of meat and wine from all over the world.

00:36:58.000 We live better than kings and queens lived 100 or 200 years ago. 1.00

00:37:03.000 I cannot believe that we are going to surrender the greatest nation on the face of the earth to reprobates and malcontents who've contributed not one damn thing to this society. 0.98

00:37:13.000 That's what I believe. 1.00

00:37:15.000 Let me put it to you this way.

00:37:17.000 Churchill said it best, and I'll paraphrase him. 0.78

00:37:20.000 World War II breaks out.

00:37:22.000 He's begging the United States to get in.

00:37:24.000 The United States can't get in.

00:37:26.000 We're very isolationist at the time.

00:37:29.000 And then we're attacked at Pearl Harbor.

00:37:32.000 And some people say to Churchill, but the Americans, they can't fight.

00:37:36.000 And he said, the Americans can't fight?

00:37:40.000 Remember, his mother was an American.

00:37:43.000 He said, maybe you need to read a little bit about the Civil War and then tell me and come back that the Americans can't fight and won't fight.

00:37:51.000 Oh, they'll fight.

00:37:52.000 And I have to believe that we Americans are going to fight.

00:37:56.000 And I won't look over my shoulder and think otherwise.

00:37:59.000 We have got to be on the move right now.

00:38:01.000 We've got to organize.

00:38:02.000 We have to be the biggest force for good and liberty in this country that this country has ever seen, or we're going to lose.

00:38:09.000 It's that simple.

00:38:11.000 I agree.

00:38:12.000 The book is American Marxism.

00:38:13.000 It's time to fight.

00:38:14.000 God bless you, Mark, for all you do for our country.

00:38:17.000 And thank you for coming on our program.

00:38:19.000 And we have your back, and everyone should buy the book and then do what the book suggests.

00:38:24.000 We are a movement of action.

00:38:25.000 No more spectator sport.

00:38:26.000 God bless you, Mark.

00:38:27.000 Charlie, you're a great patriot.

00:38:29.000 Thanks for everything you do.

00:38:30.000 And God bless you and your audience.

00:38:35.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:38:36.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 22, 2021

American Marxism with Mark Levin

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