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00:02:26.000Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:28.000I am honored and thrilled to be joined today by Mark Levin, the great one, who is the author of the amazing new book, American Marxism.
00:02:39.000Everyone should go pick up 5, 10, or 15 copies.
00:02:42.000In fact, at Turning Point USA, we just bought 150 copies for all of our staff and top students.
00:02:49.000In fact, we might be getting even more than that because it's such an important book.
00:05:05.000And if somebody runs an organization that has to deal with what goes on in college campuses, you probably know this better than anybody.
00:05:12.000And so what I did there is I started to read their books again.
00:05:16.000And you have what's called this Chicino movement or Chicano movement.
00:05:20.000And what that's all about is the United States of America is an illegitimate country.
00:05:26.000That in fact, the illegal aliens are the white European Protestants who came to the Americas and established this colony called America, then the United States.
00:05:38.000And the indigenous peoples cannot possibly be illegal aliens.
00:05:42.000So regardless of where they come from, North, South America, these are the people who belong in the United States.
00:05:49.000Now, you understand you have people in the Biden administration who embrace and spew all these theories, which is why his first couple of weeks in office, he was signing executive orders that literally enshrined every one of these Marxist movements.
00:06:38.000And so I just decided to try and take it upon myself to unravel these various movements, explain fundamentally what they are, where they come from, because I believe, and I'm certainly not the only one who believes this, Charlie, that if we don't understand the enemy, and they're the enemy, they're not an adversary, they're not an opponent, they're the enemy.
00:07:00.000If we don't understand them, we can't defeat them.
00:07:03.000And every military expert, every political campaign that succeeds, every business that's successful understands that if you're going to develop the right strategies and tactics, you need to know what you're dealing with.
00:07:16.000So this book is seven chapters, six chapters of scholarship, which I try to explain in fairly understandable terms and try and interpret what these pseudo-scholars are saying on the left.
00:07:30.000And then the last chapter is about activism.
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00:08:38.000So, Mark, I want to ask you about this idea of critical theory.
00:08:42.000You mentioned where did it come from, Herbert Marcuse from the Frankfurt School.
00:08:47.000Can you talk about how this was imported from abroad into the American academic system of the people like Michelle Foucault and Jacques Derrida?
00:08:57.000You go, you spend a lot of time through the research of this.
00:09:00.000And I think it's important for people to understand that this was no accident.
00:09:05.000This was imported from abroad, from a communist school of thinkers and scholars that came to America and they found a home.
00:09:14.000And then they repackaged Marx's ideas through not the bourgeoisie versus the proletariat, but instead of oppressor and oppressed, and then eventually realized that they could do that through racial terms.
00:09:27.000Help explain that for our audience, Mark.
00:09:52.000So they have to create class struggles.
00:09:54.000You see, here's the problem with Marxism in the United States.
00:09:58.000Marx attacked the Industrial Revolution, as you know.
00:10:02.000The reason he attacked the Industrial Revolution, because it proved Marxism to be a joke.
00:10:08.000It didn't create a proletariat that wanted to rise up and overthrow the country.
00:10:12.000It created a massive middle class that loves their country and will go and fight for their country.
00:10:20.000And so when this was occurring, you ask yourself the Soviet Union versus the United States, would you rather be a factory worker part of the proletariat in the Soviet Union or in the United States?
00:10:31.000And clearly, it would be in the United States, just to use Marx's term, proletariat.
00:11:29.000And how does he show gratitude by spending his every moment trying to figure out how to overthrow the United States from within?
00:11:37.000He winds up being a professor, Syrian, three different Ivy League schools, tenured.
00:11:44.000And he's writing and writing and writing, trying to figure out what the weaknesses are in the American system, how Marxism can work in the American system.
00:11:54.000And it's a long story, but I'll cut to the chase here.
00:11:57.000Critical theory was his brainchild, pretty much.
00:12:00.000And critical theory, the Franklin School, goes something like this.
00:12:21.000The laws are written by the dominant individuals in the society.
00:12:26.000So minorities and others cannot get a fair break under the legal system in the United States.
00:12:32.000Now, this spread throughout law school.
00:12:34.000I was in law school and this spread throughout law school.
00:12:37.000And so what happens is a guy by the name of Derek Bell, who Thomas Sowell really ripped very strongly because he knew who he was way back in the day, thought he was an intellectual lightweight.
00:12:57.000Theory, not reality, not statistics, not history, theory.
00:13:02.000And so, again, to make a long story short, he took this whole notion of dominating law and said dominating culture, dominating society, and that the white population founded this nation, had slavery, instituted the Declaration, instituted the Constitution, created what we're living through today, the white dominant society, the white supremacist society.
00:13:32.000And so, in order to have true equity, in order to have true justice, you have to destroy that society.
00:14:52.000Because the average person out there, when you talk about white supremacy, they think, you know, that's the Klan with the hoods, the neo-Nazis.
00:14:58.000And so, no, they're talking about you.
00:17:08.000What I say is we need to take some tactics from the left, you know, without the Molotov cocktails and stuff like that, the peaceful tactics from the left.
00:17:16.000We need to apply the BDS movement to these school districts.
00:17:19.000We need to apply Solinsky to these school districts and these individuals.
00:17:26.000And I explained who all that is for people who don't know and more.
00:17:29.000We need to use the FOIA laws to get information about these teachers, their contracts, the unions, who's training whom, who's at these seminars, how do you promote teachers?
00:18:06.000You don't have a right under the federal constitution to force kids to go to these schools unless they can find a way to go to another school and then teach them that they are racist or teach another that they're a victim to turn one against the other.
00:18:22.000You have a right to a proper education.
00:19:44.000And what I'm hoping, Charlie, maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong.
00:19:48.000I'm hoping is we've done this throughout our history at different times in our history, one generation standing up and defending the generation behind it.
00:19:56.000You see what's happening in our classroom, elementary school classrooms.
00:20:38.000And so I'm hoping, like the old pamphleteers, that this book, it's obviously not a pamphlet, but can be used in the same way, that the message will get out there, that we will understand exactly what we're dealing with.
00:20:51.000I've developed a number of strategy and tactics, and that people in their own neighborhoods, in their own school districts, that they will do the same.
00:20:59.000And then we will learn from Charlie Kirk.
00:21:02.000And we will network county to county, group to group.
00:21:07.000I talk about creating community committees, patriotic community committees, and that from one county to the other, we will figure out what each one of us is doing, because it's not enough to have one school system or one of this or one of that.
00:21:44.000And that's a unique advantage that we have in the American system.
00:21:49.000So, Mark, you and I agree on this, but I get pushback from a lot of people where they say the left means well, that they're not diabolical.
00:21:58.000They're not actually trying to deconstruct.
00:22:00.000They just have a different way to go about it.
00:22:02.000How important is it, Mark, that we identify that we do not have shared purpose, that we actually want two completely different things?
00:22:10.000I think that is actually very liberating for a citizen to realize, because then you no longer have to kid yourself or try to convince yourself that you have to try to achieve some sort of false promise of bipartisanship.
00:22:25.000If somebody tells you today that they mean well, they're out of their minds.
00:22:46.000Look at the border now, the suffering that's going on at the border because the Democrat Party wants to fundamentally change not just the nature of the nation, but that they're embracing this radical ideology that I just mentioned earlier.
00:23:18.000When they spend money, massive amounts of money that's going to bankrupt every generation that follows us, and they don't care.
00:23:25.000Do they mean well when they prevent little poor kids in minority inner city neighborhoods from going to schools, good schools, school choice where they can actually get an education rather than have to worry about crime?
00:23:38.000Do they mean well when they push massive tax increases on successful people and give it to people who really make up their base or people who they are trying to get to vote for them and that sort of thing?
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00:25:17.000So, Mark, how much of the issue do you think is on our own side, the conservative side?
00:25:23.000Because it seems, and I put conservative in quotes, it seems as if we are able to identify the enemy, but if our own ranks are unwilling to fight as hard as necessary, then don't we also have some reorganizing we need to do within the Republican Party or the conservative movement?
00:25:42.000You were probably more instrumental than anyone else in the Tea Party movement.
00:25:46.000I grew up listening to you on WLS in Chicago late at night when you used to keep the drumbeat going for the Tea Party movement.
00:25:54.000And I remember you said, Look, it's going to be the Republicans that are going to stop this thing.
00:26:00.000We know that Senate leadership and kind of the insiders got in the way of it.
00:26:04.000Mark, do you think there's a Vichy French problem at times in the Republican Party working with the other side, kind of slowing this down, pandering to the American Marxist movement?
00:26:14.000How much blame do you put on the conservatives in air quotes for the kind of situation we're in?
00:26:57.000I'm not interested in trying to fix the Republican Party.
00:27:01.000If we're strong enough and we've a far enough reach and we can influence enough, they will be interested in listening to what we have to say.
00:27:10.000If we're scratching and clawing at their doors, telling them they need to fix things.
00:27:13.000Let me put it to you this way: Do you think the old bulls, this is just a question everybody?
00:27:18.000Do you think the old bulls who run the Republican Senate, the Republican Party and the Senate, do you think they have any idea what's swirling around?
00:27:55.000We need a movement of American citizens who love this country.
00:27:58.000I don't care if they're moderate Democrats, if they're libertarians, I don't care.
00:28:03.000As I say in the first chapter, put our little differences aside.
00:28:07.000If you love this country, if you want to keep this country, if you like your liberty, if you believe in individuality, if you believe in faith and family and property rights and unalienable rights, if you love the founding, if you love the Declaration in the Constitution, it's time, baby.
00:28:25.000You better step up in one way or another.
00:28:27.000You can do it behind your desk with filing complaints.
00:28:29.000You can do it in helping organize individuals.
00:28:31.000You can do it in a thousand different ways, but you better start doing it because nobody's coming to save us but ourselves.
00:30:52.000So, Mark, I would argue that we were able to get to American Marxism because we decided there was this quiet war on the founding that you talk about a lot that really started with Woodrow Wilson, but before that, with John Dewey, and it came out of Johns Hopkins University of this idea of German historicism, which is the American founders weren't as enlightened as we are today, that the state will usher in this form of perfection.
00:31:16.000And, Mark, if you kind of had the kind of Google trends going back to 1917, all of a sudden there was a new word that was introduced that quite honestly drives me mad.
00:31:26.000And I hear even conservatives use it sometimes, which is our democracy.
00:34:44.000These ideas of class warfare, these ideas of tax the rich and help the poor and all the rest of it, as opposed to freedom and opportunity and mobility, where do they come from?
00:34:55.000Joe Biden's too stupid to figure this out on his own.
00:36:03.000What gives you optimism for the future?
00:36:06.000Because you diagnose a lot of the problems and what people can do about it.
00:36:09.000What are you seeing that gives you even a glimmer that tomorrow can be brighter?
00:36:15.000Well, I do study American history, and this would be the first generation in America that would roll over to this sort of tyranny, whether it's tyranny from without or tyranny from within.
00:36:27.000And I cannot believe that the parents and grandparents out there who see what's going on to their children in elementary schools or see what's going on to their children in college campuses.
00:36:37.000I cannot believe that red-blooded Americans of all backgrounds and faith that see what's going on on the border for no damn good reason.
00:36:45.000I cannot believe that the people who have benefited from capitalism in so many ways, we can go into a grocery store and you have 50 choices of bread and 20 choices of meat and wine from all over the world.
00:36:58.000We live better than kings and queens lived 100 or 200 years ago.
00:37:03.000I cannot believe that we are going to surrender the greatest nation on the face of the earth to reprobates and malcontents who've contributed not one damn thing to this society.
00:37:43.000He said, maybe you need to read a little bit about the Civil War and then tell me and come back that the Americans can't fight and won't fight.