The Charlie Kirk Show - AmFest and the New Conservative Movement

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, Jack Pesobic co-pilots.

00:00:03.000 We talk about the death of David Frenchism and his ideology that is now on the ropes.

00:00:08.000 And we also plug Amfest.

00:00:10.000 It is right here, everybody.

00:00:11.000 Get involved with TurningPointUSA at tpusa.com and consider becoming a member at charliekirk.com and click on the members tab, charliekirk.com and click on the members tab.

00:00:21.000 Buckle up everybody here.

00:00:22.000 We go.

00:00:23.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:25.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:27.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:30.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:33.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:34.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:35.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:37.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:00:44.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:00:53.000 That's why we are here.

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00:01:04.000 Right now, the Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action staff, over 350, it's almost 400 people are at the Phoenix Convention Center preparing for many of your arrival.

00:01:15.000 Many of you are coming.

00:01:16.000 I know a lot of you say, but Charlie, how do I watch it online?

00:01:18.000 Real America's Voice is going to be taking a lot of the conference, but it's not the same.

00:01:21.000 I'll be honest.

00:01:23.000 If you have to watch it online, totally understand financial restraints, inflation, can't go across the country.

00:01:29.000 I totally get it.

00:01:30.000 We're going to make it available.

00:01:31.000 But being actually in person, it's a game changer.

00:01:35.000 And Jack Pesobic is going to join us in a couple segments to go through the breakout sessions, the exhibitors, the incredible experience to meet thousands and thousands and thousands of people.

00:01:46.000 It's going to be a record-breaking crowd.

00:01:48.000 It's AmFest, AMFEST.com.

00:01:50.000 We're going to keep talking about it.

00:01:51.000 And one of the things that we're going to emphasize at Amfest is a new conservative movement is taking over.

00:01:58.000 And it's not just a younger conservative movement because, I mean, look, if you put up the graphic of all the speakers at Amfest, yes, we have a younger roster, but we have people of all ages.

00:02:08.000 I mean, Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck, but no, it's a philosophical change.

00:02:12.000 We're done with this neoliberalism, open borders, invade the world, invite the world.

00:02:16.000 If you would have had an event like Amfest 10 years ago, it would have been, all the speakers would have been in harmony or they would not have mentioned the war machine.

00:02:26.000 Look at some of these speakers here.

00:02:27.000 Just, I want to isolate a few.

00:02:29.000 Tucker Carlson, Tulsi Gabbard, Glenn Beck, Michael Anton, Jack Pesobic, Josh Hawley, Steve Benn, and Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:02:39.000 These are outspoken critics of the neoliberal regime.

00:02:43.000 What Amfest represents is, of course, a gathering point, a place of encouragement, a place of education, but also an opportunity to show and demonstrate what are the ideas and the principles that are going to determine the future of the conservative movement.

00:03:03.000 I could tell you what the New York Times and what David French wishes the conservative movement would embrace.

00:03:10.000 He would hope that we keep on putting hundreds of billions of dollars behind the war effort in Ukraine.

00:03:16.000 The straw poll question heard around the world when we did ACTCON this last summer, our Turning Point Action Conference in July.

00:03:24.000 We had thousands and thousands of people and we said, okay, we don't know how this question is going to ask.

00:03:27.000 We said, should the United States continue to send any money to Ukraine?

00:03:31.000 And you guys can get the exact numbers.

00:03:33.000 It was well over 95.8% of our attendees at the Turning Point Action Conference.

00:03:40.000 95.8% opposed funding Ukraine.

00:03:44.000 A couple days later, Senate Republicans sent out a press release and they said, you know, we are really disturbed about the MAGA populist nationalist takeover of the Republican Party.

00:03:56.000 The people are waking up and wising up.

00:04:00.000 Republicans are following.

00:04:02.000 And I think Turning Point has played a very real part in this.

00:04:06.000 We were against supporting this war from the very start, and we were attacked as Russian agents and Putin puppets.

00:04:13.000 Tucker Carlson deserves the most credit.

00:04:16.000 Darren Beattie deserves a lot of credit, JD Vance and a handful of other lawmakers, but now it's all different.

00:04:21.000 Go-Go dancer, professional actor, and mafia don Zelensky, was just in Washington for another cash grab of U.S. taxpayers.

00:04:32.000 Thankfully, it didn't go that well.

00:04:33.000 There's kind of cold shoulders like, hey, man, as Tucker Carlson said, he dresses like somebody who would be running a strip club.

00:04:40.000 I love that.

00:04:41.000 Zelensky went home without a firm commitment, without getting a big infusion of cash that he was looking for.

00:04:48.000 Now, I think there needs to be some fact check of this.

00:04:51.000 I've heard firsthand knowledge.

00:04:54.000 Where is some of this money going?

00:04:56.000 You know, I've heard that it's going to yachts and mansions, villas.

00:04:59.000 I don't know if that's true or not, but it's worth looking into.

00:05:02.000 I've heard from some very reputable people that the oligarchs of Ukraine are not getting poor.

00:05:06.000 Let's put it that way.

00:05:07.000 Zelensky and his buddies, they might be taking 10% for the big guy.

00:05:12.000 I don't want to say that it's a fact, but I'm hearing a lot of different reports that let's just say the yacht purchases amongst the Ukraine elite are increasing, not decreasing.

00:05:23.000 Now, America's most self-righteous enabler of the left, David French, has a new article about this in the New York Times.

00:05:31.000 AmericaFest in these next couple days stands against this kind of automatic consensus.

00:05:37.000 David French writes this nauseating piece in the New York Times, and he actually quotes me.

00:05:45.000 Donald Trump Jr. called Zelensky an international welfare queen.

00:05:49.000 Turning point USA President Charlie Kirk said Zelensky was totally corrupt. 0.95

00:05:53.000 Kirk's colleague Benny Johnson said the Ukraine president was an ungrateful piece of bleep. 0.98

00:05:57.000 Tucker Carlson said, quote, he dressed up like the manager of a strip club. 0.98

00:06:00.000 You can't outdo Tucker.

00:06:01.000 You know, you could try, but you always fail.

00:06:03.000 Tucker with a home run.

00:06:05.000 David French continues in this article, he says, the moral clarity goes even deeper than the bare fact of whom attacked, who attacked whom and when.

00:06:14.000 The fight between Russia and Ukraine isn't just a fight between nations, but rather a fight between political systems and philosophies.

00:06:20.000 Ever since the advent of liberal democracies, autocrats have believed them to be weak, too soft to prevail in a world that is so often red in tooth and claw.

00:06:29.000 He continues by saying, our heart tells us that we are a nation of free people that stands with another nation of free people.

00:06:37.000 Doing so is part of America's DNA.

00:06:38.000 Hold on.

00:06:39.000 Is Ukraine a free country?

00:06:41.000 Is Ukraine this amazing beacon of liberty, of self-government?

00:06:45.000 They're banning religions. 0.99

00:06:47.000 Does Ukraine have a free press?

00:06:49.000 Does Ukraine have elections?

00:06:49.000 No.

00:06:51.000 No.

00:06:51.000 Zelensky has suspended elections.

00:06:53.000 He has literally banned the Russian Orthodox Church.

00:06:56.000 And to be fair, there very well might be some, there might be more nuance to that.

00:07:02.000 But Tucker Carlson believes is totally wrong.

00:07:04.000 Blake thinks there's more to the story that they might actually be a sleeper cell of Putin.

00:07:08.000 But you don't ban religions, okay?

00:07:09.000 You don't do that.

00:07:10.000 Can you start right now a political party that opposes Zelensky?

00:07:13.000 It's risky. 0.99

00:07:14.000 He might kill you.

00:07:15.000 But David French says that they're a free society.

00:07:18.000 David French, are we a free society?

00:07:21.000 Are we a free society?

00:07:22.000 Donald Trump is facing 700 years in federal prison.

00:07:24.000 Yesterday, David French, I had Jake Lang call from a D.C. gulag who's been in pretrial detention for three years, who literally was calling about being in solitary confinement and his phone says one minute remaining.

00:07:39.000 Is this a free society that we're currently living in?

00:07:43.000 We are arresting people facing federal charges because they were hundreds of yards away from the Capitol taking pictures saying, wow, I don't know if I like what's happening or boom, getting caught up in a dragnet.

00:07:53.000 But David French says, we are a nation of free people.

00:07:57.000 No, we're not anymore, actually.

00:07:58.000 We are not a free society, David French.

00:08:01.000 Maybe you think we're a free society in your Washington, D.C. bubble.

00:08:06.000 But honestly, how obtuse?

00:08:08.000 Our head tells us that we are helping break the military power of one of our most too powerful geopolitical rivals at a cost our nation can easily afford. 0.99

00:08:18.000 Okay, this is a sick dude.

00:08:21.000 David French is basically saying it's perfectly fine for the lower class of Ukraine to act as a human shield to get mowed down as long as Russia is getting weaker. 0.98

00:08:35.000 You understand how morally disturbing that is?

00:08:38.000 Like, go die for us, Ukraine, as long as you're making Russia weaker. 0.95

00:08:42.000 First of all, now Ukraine is conscripting 40-year-olds. 0.99

00:08:47.000 We've given Ukraine all of this false hope and Russia is going to turn it into a killing field. 0.93

00:08:53.000 David French continues in the New York Times, our heart remembers the line of ambulances in Kiev and says that such courage cannot be in vain.

00:09:02.000 I don't even know what that means.

00:09:04.000 Our heart cries out, can't we at least ensure that Ukraine survives independent and free?

00:09:11.000 I would love to have David French on the show and say, hey, what is Ukraine?

00:09:14.000 Is Crimea part of Ukraine?

00:09:16.000 Does success look like liberating Crimea from the Russian Federation? 0.80

00:09:20.000 Like, be very specific, David French.

00:09:22.000 Are you willing to serve in this war?

00:09:24.000 I'm reminded of the climactic military.

00:09:26.000 This is so nauseating.

00:09:27.000 Again, this is so shallow.

00:09:28.000 Like, oh, you're such a smart person.

00:09:29.000 Yeah, you quote Lord of the Rings.

00:09:31.000 Like, get something unique, okay?

00:09:33.000 I'm reminded of the climactic military confrontation in the third Peter Jackson magnificent Lord of the Rings adaptations, Return of the King.

00:09:40.000 Aragar rides in front of the infernal black gate, turns to his sorely outnumbered army and declares, a day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of our fellowship.

00:09:51.000 But it is not this day.

00:09:53.000 This is the choice we face, but too many Republicans say that this is the day.

00:09:57.000 This is the day when courage fails, when they break that bond of fellowship, and we cannot fund Ukraine without Republican votes.

00:10:03.000 If GOP lawmakers fails, our nation fails.

00:10:06.000 History will record that we choose to abandon a country that is standing against a great evil.

00:10:10.000 It does not even ask us to stand with it on the field of battle.

00:10:13.000 It merely asks us to place a sword in its hand.

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00:11:50.000 Jack Masobic is here, Jack.

00:11:51.000 Welcome.

00:11:52.000 Charlie, what a week, man.

00:11:53.000 What a week here in Phoenix.

00:11:54.000 Well, look, I'm having you on for a couple of reasons.

00:11:57.000 The first is it's a little help because I got to be on my feet for like nine hours.

00:12:01.000 Charlie Kirk doesn't need any help.

00:12:02.000 Come on, folks.

00:12:04.000 Despite the rumors, I am human.

00:12:06.000 So there are limitations.

00:12:08.000 You just see the system of tubes and IVs that Charlie has under the desk.

00:12:11.000 He's not kidding, by the way.

00:12:13.000 No, the biohacking is a real thing.

00:12:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:16.000 Did you cold plunge this morning?

00:12:17.000 Not this morning.

00:12:18.000 I'm all thrown off.

00:12:19.000 You didn't even cult.

00:12:20.000 That's why you're thrown off.

00:12:21.000 The whole thing is why it is.

00:12:23.000 Folks, Charlie normally does the cold plunge every single morning.

00:12:26.000 37 degrees.

00:12:27.000 By the way, I have a whole philosophy of cold water.

00:12:29.000 We can get into that.

00:12:30.000 I think if you want something that will challenge you deep in your life, it doesn't take a lot of time, but a ridiculous amount of mental focus, cold water.

00:12:39.000 Even cold showers.

00:12:40.000 Well, and Taylor Marshall had a tweet up, and I remember I shared this with you the other day where he said it's actually Christian, that there's a Christian tie-in.

00:12:47.000 And I was like, Charlie, walk me through the Christian tie-in to the cold plunge. 0.95

00:12:51.000 I think it's a little bit of a stretch, but I can get there.

00:12:55.000 It is one of the few things, and I've looked, something that is objectively good for you that takes very little time for almost no money.

00:13:02.000 Like there's not a big cost benefit.

00:13:05.000 There are cold rivers all over the place, folks.

00:13:07.000 Where your feeling is so disconnected from reality.

00:13:13.000 So think about that because you feel like you're dying.

00:13:15.000 Like it's not an exaggeration.

00:13:16.000 Like every alarm response that your system has goes off.

00:13:20.000 Right.

00:13:20.000 Because everything, even when you do the cold shower, even when you hit it, it's like it's triggering that flamefight response.

00:13:25.000 Now, if I should not feel it.

00:13:26.000 If you stay there for seven or eight or nine minutes, you legit got some problems.

00:13:29.000 Yeah.

00:13:30.000 But you are perfectly fine for two, three, four minutes.

00:13:33.000 In fact, it's really good for you.

00:13:34.000 We've done it when I've done the like the hot springs.

00:13:38.000 We've done hot springs where they will also have, actually, we did this in Budapest on our honeymoon, where you do the hot springs, and then you're in the hot water, and then you go do the cold plunge.

00:13:49.000 So you do the cold plunge and then you go back to the hot.

00:13:51.000 Yeah.

00:13:51.000 So I do cold and hot alternating.

00:13:54.000 It's really good for you.

00:13:55.000 But what's so great about cold water is you get a little bit better at it, but you can always challenge yourself more.

00:14:04.000 Right.

00:14:04.000 And it takes very, very little time to get a win.

00:14:06.000 And it's a big win.

00:14:07.000 I mean, again, for people that have never done cold, like, how hard could it possibly be?

00:14:12.000 Your body is God designed you with the amygdala.

00:14:16.000 As soon as you hit that water and you go down to your neck, you might last 10 seconds.

00:14:20.000 Right.

00:14:21.000 And it's not fun.

00:14:22.000 But then it's a great opportunity to say, can I slow down my breathing and do something I don't want to do that's good for inflammation, good to get less colds, less flush.

00:14:32.000 And it takes two minutes.

00:14:33.000 Think about that.

00:14:34.000 Of all the stuff, you're like, oh, I'm going to go run 10 miles and all that.

00:14:36.000 I'm going to go work out.

00:14:37.000 No, this takes two minutes.

00:14:39.000 And for me, I really have to do like, it's like mental mantra kind of stuff.

00:14:44.000 Yes.

00:14:44.000 Incantations.

00:14:45.000 Right.

00:14:45.000 Incantations, prayer, whichever you need.

00:14:48.000 And you just need that through your mind.

00:14:50.000 I will survive this.

00:14:51.000 I will survive this.

00:14:52.000 I will survive.

00:14:53.000 For me, the best breakthrough was what I feel is not real.

00:14:57.000 Ooh.

00:14:58.000 And that's there's some depth there, right?

00:15:01.000 A lot of depth there.

00:15:02.000 Because you feel like you're dying.

00:15:03.000 In fact, you're not.

00:15:04.000 You're actually, you're fine.

00:15:06.000 And you're just kind of sitting in water.

00:15:07.000 And it's interesting to watch other people go in the cold plunge, see how they react.

00:15:11.000 Wow, you're fine.

00:15:12.000 Like there's nothing wrong there.

00:15:13.000 Again, if you spend 10 minutes, don't do that.

00:15:15.000 No, good luck.

00:15:16.000 Anyway, so I'm a big cold water guy, big sauna guy.

00:15:19.000 All right.

00:15:19.000 Well, we will get you, Charlie.

00:15:21.000 We'll do the ice bucket challenge on Charlie at the end of Amfest here, folks.

00:15:24.000 That's not a problem.

00:15:25.000 I'm conditioned to cold water.

00:15:26.000 So Jack is here.

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00:15:29.000 Jack, I want to finish on this David French thing, but David Frenchism is dying partly, partially because of Turning Point USA and the Turning Point Movement.

00:15:38.000 Well, I wouldn't just say just partially.

00:15:40.000 I would say because, and I tweeted this yesterday, that what Turning Point and really just this movement is becoming is that you're not just building an event with America Fest.

00:15:51.000 It's not just like, oh, we're going to get up on stage and blah, blah, blah.

00:15:54.000 There's some speakers and we all get down and we all go home.

00:15:56.000 No, this is an actual new movement that, and people from the outside, when I'm in Europe, I just got back from Asia and people are asking me about it.

00:16:06.000 They say, what's going on in American politics?

00:16:08.000 And we can't explain it.

00:16:09.000 I'm like, look, I'm front and center of it.

00:16:11.000 And I couldn't explain it to you directly.

00:16:13.000 But what I could tell you, in a general sense, it's out with the old, in with the new.

00:16:18.000 And the new blood and the new energy is coming.

00:16:22.000 This, of course, encapsulated yesterday in the Iowa State House, where we had sort of the old right Republicans saying this satanic statue needs to stay up and it's, you know, it's part of the blessings of liberty, which I kept saying on my show all week that making fun of David Frenchism, saying that it's the David French system.

00:16:40.000 I want to really dive into this up.

00:16:41.000 It's so smart.

00:16:42.000 And by the way, we did thought crimes last night.

00:16:43.000 I was dealing with a lot of problems.

00:16:44.000 I was like half in, half out because I had to take a call and everything.

00:16:47.000 I thought I did okay, but I want to rehash some of it because I could have articulated it better.

00:16:52.000 But I want to talk about David Frenchism.

00:16:54.000 He's a defender.

00:16:56.000 It's this false agnosticism, like neutral public square that really is a liberal takeover of the conservative movement.

00:17:04.000 And not only that, he has really bad foreign policy ideas, which we'd spent on here.

00:17:07.000 But David Frenchism.

00:17:09.000 Which is so bad because he's interventionist outside, but non-interventionists inside.

00:17:15.000 And again, we're being invaded from the southern border.

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00:20:29.000 Get your tickets right now.

00:20:30.000 Promo code Charlie.

00:20:31.000 Jack's going to be doing his show.

00:20:32.000 I'll be doing my show.

00:20:33.000 Patrick, Bett David, Tim Poole, Bannon.

00:20:35.000 It's pretty amazing, Jack.

00:20:37.000 Tucker will be around.

00:20:38.000 And Tucker is going to be making the rounds, man.

00:20:40.000 He's really around.

00:20:41.000 We can't.

00:20:41.000 He is a lot of people.

00:20:42.000 I don't think we can exactly, because it's his to reveal what Tucker's actually got planned for Amfest, but I will say he'll be around.

00:20:49.000 And like, if you want to, he'll be around.

00:20:52.000 That's all I could say.

00:20:53.000 He'll be around.

00:20:54.000 We're big Tucker admirers.

00:20:56.000 And it's actually what Amfest is and what this gathering is, is a repudiation of the David Frenchism that has taken over the Republican Party, the conservative.

00:21:07.000 Let's remind people what that is.

00:21:09.000 So David French was an obscure blogger.

00:21:11.000 He still kind of is, and was going to like run for president.

00:21:14.000 I never understood where this push behind David, I think I never heard of this guy.

00:21:18.000 It's kind of an op, right?

00:21:19.000 And so.

00:21:20.000 It's like Shayla Swift.

00:21:21.000 Total op.

00:21:22.000 I think he's a pretty good writer.

00:21:24.000 And so here, David Frenchism became a thing when Soabarami.

00:21:29.000 Okay, so Blake says he's a very self-righteous one.

00:21:33.000 Well, yes, of course.

00:21:34.000 Well, I knew that.

00:21:35.000 Yeah, we know that.

00:21:37.000 Talent of diction and syntax and the creation of arguments that penetrate.

00:21:41.000 Okay.

00:21:42.000 So Blake says he's okay.

00:21:44.000 All right.

00:21:44.000 Well, I think Blake's an excellent writer.

00:21:46.000 So we have Soab Arami, Amari, Soab Amari, Amari.

00:21:51.000 Yeah.

00:21:52.000 And David French, who went to go do this debate that wasn't planned to be viral.

00:21:57.000 And it was at the time, this is four or five years ago, right?

00:22:00.000 About four years ago, I think.

00:22:01.000 It was all about drag queen story hour. 0.99

00:22:04.000 Yes.

00:22:05.000 And David French's position was: listen, I don't necessarily like drag queens, but part of living in a free society and the blessings of liberty is you have to allow things you don't like to occur in libraries.

00:22:20.000 And so Rob said, no, this is profane.

00:22:22.000 This is disgusting.

00:22:23.000 This has no place in decent or civil society, let alone at libraries.

00:22:27.000 Correct.

00:22:27.000 And David French then kind of made fun of SaaRob at the time.

00:22:30.000 Oh, wow, this big movement of drag queens sweeping the world. 1.00

00:22:34.000 Everyone's going to be trans.

00:22:35.000 David literally said something like that in the debate.

00:22:39.000 And so then Saurabh came out and wrote a piece, very sharply written piece, saying like to death with David Frenchism or something like that.

00:22:47.000 Yes.

00:22:48.000 And it went trending on Twitter and the conservative libertarian intelligentsia started to debate drag queens.

00:22:53.000 And I would say, when I first saw the debate, I was probably more on David French's side in the sense of, do I really want to, you know, it's like really, you know, neoliberal.

00:23:01.000 Well, it becomes this, it becomes this thing about do we want the government to decide that which is permissible in any library, in any state house, in any school.

00:23:12.000 And so there's, there's this, you know, I think built in, like an inherent reaction in a lot of conservatives to say that when you invoke the government, right, turning point, big government sucks, right?

00:23:23.000 That's, that's been the mantra of Turning Point since I think day one, right?

00:23:27.000 You know, so, you know, this idea that, whoa, whoa, government getting involved is something that we sort of reflexively recoil when this is invoked.

00:23:35.000 And so I understand that this is a strong argument.

00:23:37.000 By the way, when it came to the satanic statue, that is exactly what Kim Reynolds and. 0.89

00:23:42.000 Ties together, right?

00:23:43.000 There's all these different stories.

00:23:44.000 You know, David French's thing, Amphest.

00:23:46.000 So, David French's position used to be the mainline conservative perspective on foreign policy, especially.

00:23:53.000 And that one's basically dead.

00:23:54.000 I mean, David Frenchism in the base of the Republican Party is dead, but he had this.

00:23:59.000 Which is, and I have to keep pointing this out: it's the exact opposite of the government shouldn't do anything.

00:24:04.000 It's that his foreign policy must enforce alleged neutrality.

00:24:07.000 He must do everything.

00:24:08.000 That's right.

00:24:09.000 Right.

00:24:09.000 So, on foreign policy, the government must do everything, must get involved, hyperinvolvement, central place.

00:24:15.000 We will create new countries.

00:24:16.000 We will force these.

00:24:18.000 We will transform the Middle East. 0.99

00:24:20.000 We will transform the third world into Western, you know, hyper-functioning Western civilizations with the flick of our snap of our fingers and a couple special forces operations. 0.98

00:24:30.000 Yes.

00:24:30.000 And that's all it's going to take.

00:24:31.000 And so he's hyper-involved and hyper-interventional interventionist in all of these places around the world, as well as we're inviting all of these places at the same time.

00:24:41.000 Versus when it actually comes to doing something in our, when it has to do with the accordance of our own public affairs in the United States, we are not to do anything.

00:24:50.000 And when it, so then him being a constitutional lawyer, he would argue for this idea of kind of like marketplace public square neutrality, which has never existed.

00:25:00.000 Okay.

00:25:01.000 It has never existed.

00:25:02.000 It will never exist.

00:25:03.000 We might have been closer to this idea of marketplace public square neutrality, but it's been an ideal that we've never actually achieved.

00:25:11.000 Now, the question is: should you ever want to achieve it?

00:25:13.000 That's actually a more based question.

00:25:15.000 But we're so far away from that, right?

00:25:16.000 Where whatever the prevailing zeitgeist and orthodoxy of the country are living in, that ends up being what is in the public square.

00:25:25.000 So, therefore, David French says, Look, why are we as conservatives going to use the force of government to prevent some drag queen from twerking in front of a child? 1.00

00:25:34.000 And so, Rob was like, Whoa, if we as conservatives can't draw the line that the public practice of profanity into, you know, in front of children is unacceptable, then we're no good as conservatives.

00:25:47.000 Because essentially, what's happening in the real world when you follow David Frenchism is that one side is seeding the public ground and the other side is dominating the public ground.

00:25:57.000 That's right.

00:25:58.000 And so, David Frenchism went largely unchecked for decades.

00:26:04.000 And I think social media played a big role in this.

00:26:06.000 It did.

00:26:06.000 Because they controlled so much of the bylines for it's like social media and then just Trump.

00:26:12.000 Yeah, obviously.

00:26:13.000 Trump, which basically went in and he just smashed all of the idols of the old conservative movements.

00:26:19.000 He burned the golden calves.

00:26:21.000 So beautiful.

00:26:21.000 He overturned the table and the temple.

00:26:24.000 People forget that when Trump first got involved, he didn't just take out the Clintons first, right?

00:26:29.000 He didn't go after the Clintons first.

00:26:30.000 He went after the Bushes.

00:26:31.000 It was the Bushes.

00:26:32.000 He took out the Bush dynasty and then he took out the Clinton dynasty.

00:26:35.000 And that's why the entire uniparty has declared war on him ever since. 0.93

00:26:39.000 Deuteronomy 12, 2, one of my favorite verses: you shall utterly destroy the places where the nations worshipped their idols.

00:26:46.000 As Donald Trump, it was a Deuteronomy 12-2 political force.

00:26:50.000 So he goes in smashing.

00:26:52.000 He just starts, this is where it ties together, right?

00:26:54.000 Starts smashing idols, smashing idols, smashing idols.

00:26:57.000 And David French says, How dare you do this, Donald Trump?

00:26:59.000 We have these sacred practices of viewpoint neutrality.

00:27:03.000 And David French had this kind of fake ACLU kind of wrinkle where I will, I can't stand this.

00:27:09.000 I can't stand it.

00:27:10.000 It drives me nuts.

00:27:11.000 I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your ability to say it.

00:27:16.000 Like, okay, enough, right?

00:27:18.000 Which, by the way, pertains to political speech.

00:27:21.000 Yes, and political acts.

00:27:22.000 It's just the fact that David French can't quite say, you know, publicly funded libraries, we shouldn't have grown men dressed as women in thongs dancing in front of children. 0.99

00:27:32.000 As if that's not obviously some sort of predatory grooming exercise to try to push the Overton window so that freaks can go make kids gay and make them lesbian and make them trans. 0.89

00:27:44.000 He's like, oh, well, no, these, these are good and decent people that dress up in dresses and go to libraries. 0.95

00:27:49.000 And now it's more widespread, right?

00:27:51.000 It's much more widespread.

00:27:52.000 The whole kind of trans, let's just say the atmospheric awareness of the conservative movement around trans predators, I think has really been raised where people see what's happening. 0.80

00:28:02.000 And David Frenchism is dying.

00:28:06.000 It's dying on the vine.

00:28:07.000 And so what AmericaFest represents, everybody, is that we are continually giving the eulogy of old alleged fake conservatism that weakens the country, that really strengthens the Marxists.

00:28:23.000 And it is a DC consensus, isn't it, Jack?

00:28:25.000 Which I think at the basis of it, it's more personality and temperament than it is actual philosophy, meaning the people that embrace these ideas are actually very weak and damaged, and they want to be liked by those around them.

00:28:40.000 I don't find the people that actually embrace these ideas are independent, free thinking alpha males.

00:28:47.000 They tend to be which I could respect in a sense, right?

00:28:51.000 I could respect somebody if they were, if they actually were, you know, this was their solid class.

00:28:57.000 I want to be nice.

00:28:58.000 I mean, when I met David French, I met him, met him once. 0.99

00:29:01.000 He was a little bit of a jerk, but I guess he was generally nice, but he was just a sloppy and soft person. 0.99

00:29:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:29:07.000 I mean, when you meet Tucker, it's not like Tucker is, you know, built like Covington, but Tucker definitely has an alpha male presence to him in the sense of, I believe what I believe, and I don't care what you think.

00:29:18.000 Right.

00:29:18.000 Let me read this from David French, though.

00:29:19.000 It's confidence, is what you're talking about.

00:29:21.000 David French tells you the whole ball game.

00:29:25.000 This week I was at a lunch meeting with some academic colleagues discussing the grim state of politics in the world.

00:29:32.000 One of the people at the table asked me if there was anything that truly gives me hope.

00:29:36.000 You can hear the tears hitting the page as he's writing this.

00:29:38.000 No, think of just Charlie Kirk and Pesovic.

00:29:41.000 No, you could just think of just Alex Jones and Jack Pesovic.

00:29:45.000 The beta beta energy here is just so, it's so, just, it's just glowing.

00:29:52.000 It's like David French.

00:29:54.000 Yeah, I mean, we were, we were sitting at the Capitol grill with a bunch of academic colleagues that have been ostracized.

00:30:00.000 Okay, discussing the grim state of politics and the world, just like it's just oozing out of this.

00:30:07.000 I thought for a minute and I gazed into the distance.

00:30:10.000 I added that.

00:30:11.000 And I said, no, Wait, wait, wait, you hear this.

00:30:14.000 This is a published article.

00:30:15.000 Ukraine gives me hope.

00:30:18.000 That's because in the terrible darkness of that war of aggression, we've seen the best of liberal democracy and the best of America.

00:30:26.000 I told them a story that I've told readers before of the early mornings of May 16 when I was in Kiev for the meetings with Ukrainian officials and Russia launched a barrage of Kinzal hypersonic missiles at the Ukrainian capital.

00:30:40.000 The Kinzal is Russia's super weapon. 0.98

00:30:42.000 Russia's defense minister had said that it was impossible to intercept from my hotel.

00:30:46.000 I watched American-made Patriot missiles take off one by one in the sky towards them.

00:30:50.000 Thanks to the effort of my colleagues in the opinion audio, you can hear the sounds of the actual attack in the audio I recorded short after.

00:30:56.000 This is what I love.

00:30:57.000 It was an incredible moment to witness, a testament to American ingenuity, industry, and fidelity.

00:31:02.000 We are still the arsenal of democracy.

00:31:04.000 Imagine if David French, or look, I said this before.

00:31:07.000 All I want is for American leaders to care about the American people as much as they care about foreign people.

00:31:14.000 Is it so hard?

00:31:17.000 So, AmFest.

00:31:18.000 So, Jack, for the uninitiated, somebody sitting right now watching us, they're in Cave Creek.

00:31:22.000 They might be in Sedona.

00:31:24.000 They said, I don't know if I really want to go.

00:31:26.000 Describe, it's not, there's no other event like this, right?

00:31:30.000 So, you know, your typical conservative event as, you know, there's the stage, there are speakers, there's some panels.

00:31:37.000 You know, maybe you get some breakout rooms.

00:31:40.000 People sit quietly.

00:31:41.000 They applaud the applause lines and then you kind of go home.

00:31:46.000 That's your typical conservative event.

00:31:48.000 It's a seminar.

00:31:49.000 And there's nothing wrong with them.

00:31:50.000 The whole movement was built on these things.

00:31:52.000 But what Amfest is, it's actually an experience because immersion.

00:31:59.000 And because as much as I love the speakers, and yes, they're speakers and breakout sessions, there's so much interactive connective tissue that glues together and gels together on the sidelines of Amfest because there's mini events that are happening throughout the entire time.

00:32:16.000 So that when you get, and I don't believe it's been released yet, the full scope of the schedule of Amfest because there's a lot of moving parts in these things.

00:32:24.000 People have no idea that Charlie does not sleep during these events, that there's constant things changing, things coming up.

00:32:30.000 People want to get in.

00:32:31.000 People want to hold this, people hold that.

00:32:33.000 Where you can really pick and choose and craft your own interactive experience at it.

00:32:38.000 There's no way, put it this way, Charlie.

00:32:40.000 There's no way one person could go through and actually do everything at Amfest.

00:32:45.000 It would be impossible.

00:32:46.000 So when you get this thing, you basically craft, okay, do I want to go to this breakout session?

00:32:51.000 Do I want to go to this event that, you know, there's going to be, there's actually going to be the, I got to tell you, Charlie, the number one thing, I'm going to say it, that people said it's, there's activism, there's grassroots, there's voter registration, there's ballot information.

00:33:04.000 Yep.

00:33:05.000 One of the number one things that people are hitting me up about, man, it's the speed dating.

00:33:09.000 Have you heard about this?

00:33:10.000 No, of course I've heard about it.

00:33:11.000 By the way, I'm a big pusher for it.

00:33:12.000 I'm a big believer in it.

00:33:14.000 And it's founded by Johnny Mac and T's the other day.

00:33:16.000 It's Johnny Mac, and I talked to him yesterday.

00:33:18.000 This is what drives me nuts.

00:33:19.000 On one hand, people say, Charlie, why are people not getting all of this?

00:33:24.000 And then some people say, Charlie, why are you doing speed dating?

00:33:26.000 I said, of course we're going to do speed dating.

00:33:27.000 I mean, of course, you mad?

00:33:29.000 Are you mad?

00:33:30.000 I just, I don't understand the argument.

00:33:31.000 Some people said, so hold on.

00:33:33.000 So we bash Tinder and we bash Grinder and we bash Hinge. 1.00

00:33:38.000 What other stupid apps are there? 1.00

00:33:40.000 Okay, Cupid. 1.00

00:33:41.000 Is that still out there?

00:33:42.000 I don't know.

00:33:43.000 And single mingles or whatever. 1.00

00:33:45.000 And I don't know, some stupid stuff. 0.99

00:33:47.000 And so, and then people, then all of a sudden I got a couple emails and people said, Oh, I don't like the fact that you're doing speed dating. 0.99

00:33:55.000 I said, What would you have prefer?

00:33:56.000 Have them write letters to one another on the other side of the room?

00:33:59.000 I mean, by the way, it's all going to be done.

00:34:00.000 There's no alcohol.

00:34:01.000 Which by the way, people have gotten married through turning point events before.

00:34:05.000 I could feel it.

00:34:06.000 Yeah.

00:34:07.000 So this is something that's already happening organically.

00:34:11.000 And so, and so, look, guys, you know, are we just going to sit there and let the left, you know, take over the next generation?

00:34:18.000 No, we are going to create the next generation right here, starting at Amfest this weekend.

00:34:23.000 Yes.

00:34:23.000 And it's all going to begin.

00:34:24.000 It's all by the way.

00:34:25.000 I've been taking my kids to Turning Point events at Christmastime since they've been born.

00:34:31.000 Isn't it the coolest thing?

00:34:32.000 They love it.

00:34:33.000 And so, by the way, if you're looking for a job, I can't guarantee Turning Point will hire you, but we are hiring.

00:34:37.000 But there's hundreds of exhibitors, actually, 126, okay?

00:34:41.000 Exhibitors.

00:34:42.000 And Ryan and Riley got, they met at a Turning Point event, Southwestern Regional Conference 2021.

00:34:48.000 They're getting married in January.

00:34:49.000 Congratulations, guys.

00:34:50.000 I met Erica through the whole Turning Point ecosystem.

00:34:54.000 I mean, Mikey and his wife met through Turning Point.

00:34:58.000 Yep.

00:34:58.000 Right.

00:34:59.000 Sarah, who works for us, met her husband, her soon-to-be husband through Turning Point.

00:35:03.000 And by this, just off the top of my head, right?

00:35:05.000 I think there's another Turning Point baby that just came through, Brandon Uhalik.

00:35:08.000 Was here yesterday.

00:35:10.000 Yeah, I don't know if he was here.

00:35:11.000 I'm sure he was here yesterday.

00:35:12.000 He was on the other side.

00:35:13.000 I could just go on and on and on.

00:35:14.000 And so, yeah, I mean, if you're like, oh, I can't meet anybody and all this, like, I can't guarantee you'll meet somebody, but your chances are.

00:35:21.000 But that's the thing.

00:35:22.000 Put our money where our mouth is because if this is where like-minded people are, people who want to date to marry.

00:35:30.000 And Charlie, and I know this is something that Erica talks about a lot too, that it's we need to return dating culture to its original intended form.

00:35:41.000 Yes, that's right.

00:35:42.000 With the intention to marry.

00:35:43.000 So, anyway, we're doing that at Turning Point USA.

00:35:45.000 By the way, the way we promote it, I love the Turning Point USA events team.

00:35:48.000 Some people are saying, oh, why are you doing this?

00:35:50.000 You know what it says?

00:35:50.000 It says, get married, have babies, meet at Amfest.

00:35:55.000 How great is that?

00:35:56.000 It actually says it on the doors, by the way.

00:35:57.000 That's right.

00:35:58.000 So I drove by last night.

00:35:59.000 I did a drive-by because I'm staying downtown.

00:36:02.000 And I did a drive-by last night.

00:36:03.000 They're putting, you know, I did the video.

00:36:04.000 So they're putting up the huge banners.

00:36:06.000 But then I looked at the doors and it said, be a revel, get married, have kids.

00:36:10.000 Yeah.

00:36:11.000 As you walk through the gate of Amfest.

00:36:14.000 The conservative movement has changed for the better.

00:36:15.000 You know what the old conservative movement would say?

00:36:17.000 Who am I to judge?

00:36:19.000 David Frenchism.

00:36:20.000 Or yeah, or Slava Ukraania.

00:36:22.000 Email us, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:24.000 Not too late to get your tickets to Amfest, everybody.

00:36:26.000 It could change your life.

00:36:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:31.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:34.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:36:36.000 God bless.

00:36:39.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 15, 2023

AmFest and the New Conservative Movement

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