The Charlie Kirk Show - Amy Coney Barrett and the Fight to End Abortion with Lila Rose

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00:00:08.000 Amy Coney Barrett.

00:00:12.000 Happy Saturday, everybody.

00:00:14.000 You ready to fight a culture war? 0.99

00:00:15.000 President Trump has signaled that he will select Amy Coney Barrett this weekend to fill the now vacated seat from Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

00:00:25.000 Amy Coney Barrett was in contention against Barbara Lagoa from Florida, both of which are great picks, and Amy Coney Barrett has now been selected.

00:00:34.000 Amy Coney Barrett, she's, of course, an American lawyer, jurist, and an academic.

00:00:39.000 She now serves as a circuit court judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals in the Seventh Circuit.

00:00:44.000 She was a law kirk for Antonin Scalia, the great Scalia.

00:00:49.000 And let me just say, I could not be more enthused, convicted, or motivated to go make sure that Amy Coney Barrett finds a place on the United States Supreme Court.

00:01:01.000 She was confirmed in 2017 by the United States Senate on October 31st.

00:01:07.000 She was nominated by President Trump on May 8th, 2017.

00:01:10.000 So that's a very important point that she's been confirmed in the last couple years by the United States Senate.

00:01:16.000 She's been vetted and people voted for her.

00:01:19.000 She was actually born in New Orleans, Louisiana.

00:01:22.000 She studied English literature at Rhodes College, graduating magnum cum laude in 1994.

00:01:28.000 She then studied law at Notre Dame Law School, and then she served as the executive editor of Notre Dame Law Review.

00:01:34.000 She is a devout Catholic.

00:01:37.000 She is a person of faith.

00:01:39.000 She has seven children with two of them adopted.

00:01:41.000 But most importantly, I have really done a deep dive in her rulings as a circuit court judge.

00:01:50.000 In Doe versus Purdue University, Seventh Circuit in 2019, Judge Amy Coney Barrett ruled correctly that Purdue University violated a student's Title IX rights, saying that this student had adequately alleged that the university deprived him of his occupational liberty without due process, in violation of the 14th Amendment.

00:02:16.000 In immigration cases, Cook County versus Wolf, Barrett wrote a blistering 40-page dissent from the majority's decision, saying that President Trump was fully within his constitutional rights to be able to make changes to our immigration system through the Immigration and Nationality Act.

00:02:38.000 On the Second Amendment, Judge Amy Coney Barrett believed that we should not have more restrictions on Second Amendment rights so that certain individuals could have a more difficult time possessing firearms.

00:02:52.000 On the Fourth Amendment, Rainsberger versus Benner, in the panel, in an opinion by Barrett, she affirmed the district court's ruling denying the defendant's motion for summary judgment and qualified immunity in the case 42 U.S. Section Code 1983.

00:03:07.000 This was an amazing ruling, and quite honestly, I cannot find one ruling that Amy Coney Barrett had as judge that I disagree with.

00:03:16.000 She is a constitutionalist through and through.

00:03:21.000 Her judicial philosophy is one of an originalist.

00:03:24.000 She believes in how the law was written.

00:03:29.000 She did learn under Justice Antonin Scalia.

00:03:32.000 She has spoken and written publicly in support of Justice Antonin Scalia.

00:03:39.000 She's also pro-life.

00:03:42.000 Amy Coney Barrett pointed to Planned Parent v. Casey as specific evidence that Roe v. Wade has not yet achieved a status of being settled law.

00:03:55.000 A different way to word this is that Amy Coney Barrett believes that Roe versus Wade can be overturned.

00:04:02.000 Amy Coney Barrett has been critical of Chief Justice Roberts' opinion in a 5-4 decision that said that Obamacare was constitutional.

00:04:11.000 She criticized the Obama administration for providing employees of religious institutions the option of obtaining birth control without a religious exemption.

00:04:19.000 Put very simply, if you love our country, if you love the Constitution, we now have an opportunity to fight for it in a way that will have intergenerational impact.

00:04:33.000 It's time for the churches.

00:04:35.000 It's time for the neighborhoods.

00:04:36.000 It's time for the activists.

00:04:38.000 It's time for the patriots to rise up to confirm Amy Coney Barrett.

00:04:44.000 She loves her country.

00:04:45.000 She loves liberty.

00:04:47.000 She rules correctly.

00:04:48.000 And President Trump has made a brilliant pick. 0.64

00:04:51.000 And really, when all of it goes aside, this is all about abortion.

00:04:56.000 It's all about pro-life versus pro-abortion.

00:05:00.000 Pro-life versus 60 million lives that have been lost since Roe versus Wade. 0.85

00:05:05.000 And there is no better guest to help break down this new selection of Amy Coney Barrett than Lila Rose from Live Action.

00:05:12.000 Now, I did this conversation with Lila Rose when it looked like it was going to be Amy Coney Barrett, but it was not yet confirmed.

00:05:20.000 And so you'll hear me kind of mention it in a hypothetical sense.

00:05:23.000 But it was agreed upon that abortion and Roe versus Wade is the critical issue.

00:05:32.000 People of faith, people that love liberty, it's time to rise up.

00:05:37.000 Make your voice be heard.

00:05:39.000 Fill that seat. 0.52

00:05:42.000 Here's my conversation with the great Lila Rose. 0.67

00:05:44.000 So we might fight for life, defend life, and defend Amy Coney Barrett because they are going to come after her in a nastier, more vicious way than anything we have ever seen.

00:05:55.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:05:56.000 Here we go.

00:05:58.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:05:59.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:06:01.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:06:05.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:06:08.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:06:09.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:06:10.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:06:12.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:06:17.000 Turning point USA.

00:06:19.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:06:27.000 That's why we are here.

00:06:30.000 Hey, everybody.

00:06:31.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:06:33.000 We are thrilled to be joined again by my friend Lila Rose from Live Action, who is the most articulate and quite honestly one of the most important pro-life voices in the entire country.

00:06:46.000 I support her organization when I can, live action.

00:06:49.000 It's such an important effort to be behind.

00:06:53.000 Lila, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:06:55.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:06:55.000 That's so kind.

00:06:57.000 You're one of our favorite supporters.

00:06:58.000 Well, thank you.

00:06:59.000 Yeah, and I'm definitely outspoken.

00:07:02.000 So the reason I wanted to have you on is I believe that the Supreme Court seat that will now, God willing, soon be filled.

00:07:10.000 Yeah, it's about states' rights and it's about free speech, but what it's really about is abortion.

00:07:16.000 If we just say why the left gets so animated about this, they want to be able to continue to have a million abortions a year.

00:07:26.000 Ken Starr said it best on television the other day.

00:07:28.000 He said, really, the thing that animates both sides is the issue of life.

00:07:32.000 And so I think it's really important that now we know what this fight is really going to be about with Ruth Bader Ginsburg's seat being vacated and hopefully filled with a pro-life constitutional justice.

00:07:44.000 We're going to have probably the most important conversation around life in our country's history since Roe versus Wade.

00:07:51.000 So Lila, let's just start with this.

00:07:55.000 What are you doing to gear up for this Supreme Court seat fight and the issue around abortion?

00:08:01.000 And then I want to dive into just kind of play devil's advocate with some of the top kind of issues around the idea, the issue of abortion.

00:08:09.000 Sure.

00:08:09.000 Well, first off, you're right, Charlie.

00:08:11.000 This is historic.

00:08:12.000 I mean, if we were to, if President Trump succeeds in nominating and confirming a woman that is ultimately pro-life and being pro-life is being pro-Constitution, because the Constitution enshrines equal protection under the law for all people.

00:08:25.000 And a human being, their life begins in the womb.

00:08:28.000 So that the Constitution is very pro-life.

00:08:30.000 It's designed to protect basic human rights, the first of which is life.

00:08:33.000 So if we have a woman on the Supreme Court who's confirmed, the days of Roe v. Wade are very short-numbered.

00:08:39.000 It's really just a question, I believe, of when the next case makes it to the Supreme Court, where they can decide not just to overrule Roe v. Wade, which was the Supreme Court case that legalized abortion on demand through all nine months.

00:08:50.000 60 million children have been killed since then, since 1973, this historically, horrifically unjust case.

00:08:58.000 But not only may they overturn Roe v. Wade, but they would further explain for what we know to be true, which is that human life begins in the womb.

00:09:06.000 And because of that, a child in the womb is entitled to the exact same right under the Constitution that you or that I are under the 14th Amendment, which declares equal treatment under the law for all people.

00:09:19.000 So I'm very excited about this moment in time.

00:09:22.000 I think that now more than ever, you said, what do we do about this?

00:09:24.000 We educate.

00:09:25.000 People need to understand what's at stake here for those that are pro-life.

00:09:29.000 And those that don't understand the issue of abortion very deeply, maybe they think they're pro-choice.

00:09:33.000 Just getting basic facts, Charlie, about life in the womb, fetal prenatal development, learning about what the abortion procedure does, the violent act that it commits.

00:09:44.000 I mean, I was just talking to a girl online, live action, we reach millions of people online with the truth about abortion, education about human life.

00:09:52.000 And this is just an example.

00:09:53.000 See, she's saying that abortion is not really killing a human life because the baby isn't, you know, it's not a baby, it's a fetus and it's not alive yet.

00:10:00.000 So we're saying, well, why, if it's not alive, then why do you need to abort it?

00:10:04.000 And she's like, well, it's just, it's, you know, it's not alive, just like a chicken before an egg is not alive.

00:10:08.000 I'm like, well, if the egg is unfertilized, then yeah, it would not be actually a chicken, a chick yet.

00:10:13.000 A lot of eggs you have in your refrigerator are unfertilized.

00:10:17.000 So just the ignorance around this, I mean, it's very clear that it's alive.

00:10:20.000 The fetus, the embryo is alive and it's human and therefore should be entitled to those same protections as you are or that I am.

00:10:26.000 So I think that this is a historic moment and education is going to really win the day because the media, as you know, and so many other talking heads in politics, the whole Democratic Party is rapidly pro-abortion and pushing misinformation.

00:10:40.000 I love that framing of pro-abortion, not pro-choice.

00:10:44.000 I think that they try to mislead people in how they view the issue of abortion because it is pro-abortion.

00:10:52.000 And they don't like it when you describe it that way, but that's exactly what it is.

00:10:55.000 And as you've said, well over 60 million abortions since Roe versus Wade, is that right?

00:11:00.000 60 million abortions.

00:11:01.000 Yes.

00:11:02.000 An extraordinary figure.

00:11:04.000 And so I really think it comes down to when we talk about the issue of abortion, it comes down to a lot of things, but one of the most important starting points is when does human life begin?

00:11:14.000 That's really kind of what we are talking about here.

00:11:17.000 So Pete Budigej said that life begins when the baby exits the womb.

00:11:22.000 When does human life begin, Lila?

00:11:24.000 And build it out for us scientifically, morally, and constitutionally.

00:11:29.000 Yes, of course.

00:11:30.000 So first of all, you can open any human biology textbook and it will tell you when human life begins.

00:11:36.000 If you're in any biology classroom, they will tell you when human life begins.

00:11:40.000 This is not a matter of opinion or debate.

00:11:42.000 It is a scientific fact.

00:11:44.000 Human life begins at the moment of fertilization.

00:11:46.000 It's when a human, a human egg is fertilized by a human sperm, the mother's egg by the father's sperm, and a unique individual single-cell embryo comes into being.

00:11:56.000 This is a unique individual human organism.

00:11:59.000 That means it has the power to grow.

00:12:02.000 And if it isn't interrupted and killed and is given the proper nourishment, it will grow into an infant, will grow into a toddler, will grow into an adult, an adolescent one day, and an adult.

00:12:11.000 That is how human life begins at the moment of fertilization.

00:12:14.000 So we know that as a fact.

00:12:15.000 And we know that this distinct individual human life just needs time and nourishment to grow.

00:12:20.000 Constitutionally speaking, Charlie, the 14th Amendment was an incredibly powerful clarification that the Constitution that we have in our Constitution insists that all human beings, all people have equal protection under the law and that the state cannot deprive you of your life or your property without due process.

00:12:41.000 I mean, that is something that makes sure that we are all treated equally.

00:12:45.000 And this is in our Declaration of Independence, right?

00:12:47.000 It says our founders pen that we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights, and that among these are the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

00:12:58.000 Note that they said that we're endowed by these by our creator.

00:13:00.000 So all created human beings, all human beings are endowed with these inalienable rights, meaning they're universal.

00:13:06.000 We all have them and life comes first.

00:13:08.000 So constitutionally speaking, scientifically speaking, and then morally speaking, I mean, we cannot live in peace and harmony as a society if we're killing the vulnerable.

00:13:17.000 It really comes down to that.

00:13:19.000 Children are our future.

00:13:20.000 They're the most vulnerable.

00:13:21.000 They're the most voiceless.

00:13:22.000 If we as adults think because we're stronger, we can kill them if they're inconvenient to us, then there's injustice and immorality at the core of even how we function with each other.

00:13:31.000 And so that is for having, even for the sake of a flourishing future, we need to eradicate abortion altogether.

00:13:37.000 I love that framing because that's really what it comes down to.

00:13:40.000 It's, I've been on this earth longer, therefore, I should have the ability.

00:13:47.000 I don't like that word, but I should have the authority because I'm older to crush a pre-born life.

00:13:53.000 And what I love about your website and what you guys do is the framing. 0.63

00:13:57.000 You're finally framing life in a compassionate way, but also in a truthful way, where you do not use the language of the left, where, and I hate to frame it in left versus right, but it's just there are no more pro-life people on the left.

00:14:11.000 It's just, it's almost impossible to find those people, nearly impossible.

00:14:15.000 Where you say, no, it's a pre-born life.

00:14:18.000 And so, can you walk through just some of the milestones of weeks when a baby can start to hear, when a baby starts to form the specific form of hands, or there's all these milestones.

00:14:34.000 You know the calendar better than I do.

00:14:36.000 Can you walk through that?

00:14:37.000 Because it's horrifying when people actually hear that six weeks, eight weeks, 10 weeks, recognizing of mother voice, heartbeat.

00:14:44.000 What are some of those to give kind of an idea of how quickly the process moves along?

00:14:50.000 So before a woman even knows she's pregnant, her baby's heart is already beating.

00:14:55.000 The heart begins beating. 0.57

00:14:56.000 And this is for virtually almost all women before they even know they're pregnant.

00:14:59.000 They've missed a period.

00:14:59.000 They're starting to wonder at just 21 and a half days after fertilization, a baby's heart is already beating.

00:15:06.000 Within six to seven weeks, neurons are already firing.

00:15:08.000 So brain waves are already starting.

00:15:10.000 Their electrical processes that are forming their early central nervous system is already forming.

00:15:15.000 By the end of the first trimester, Charlie, all their organs are present.

00:15:19.000 They have a jawbone, teeth, a face, eyes, ears.

00:15:21.000 They have hands, legs, arms.

00:15:23.000 They have everything. 1.00

00:15:24.000 And by that, and that's when most abortions happen. 0.83

00:15:26.000 So most abortions are happening.

00:15:28.000 All abortions are happening on a baby with a beating heart, with firing neurons, with brain waves that are beginning to be detected.

00:15:33.000 And almost all abortions are happening on children that have arms, legs, fingers, toes, fingernails forming, jawbones beginning to harden.

00:15:43.000 It is incredible how swiftly human development takes place.

00:15:47.000 And it is heartbreaking and horrific to consider that the vast majority of abortions are ending children.

00:15:53.000 All of them are ending children with beating hearts.

00:15:55.000 And almost all of them are ending children that already have discernible, a discernible body.

00:15:59.000 You can see the human body already present.

00:16:03.000 That is the reality.

00:16:04.000 When people learn this, by the way, we see it all the time when we are doing Education Online.

00:16:08.000 Shocked because most people have bought the lie.

00:16:11.000 of the abortion industry and the media saying that it's just a clump of cells, right?

00:16:15.000 They want to pretend that the life doesn't exist in the womb and they think it's just not real.

00:16:20.000 There's just cells.

00:16:20.000 It's just blood clots.

00:16:22.000 And so they're really believing a lie in order to be okay with the killing.

00:16:26.000 But when education happens, it is transformative for people and many of them become pro-life.

00:16:32.000 Justice Ginsburg said, quote, frankly, I had thought at the time Roe was decided there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want too much of, end quote.

00:16:44.000 So we're not really sure what she was talking about there because the activist media never followed up with her based on- So we know we know what she's talking about.

00:16:51.000 Then tell us.

00:16:52.000 Yeah.

00:16:53.000 Yeah.

00:16:53.000 So, I mean, you're right.

00:16:55.000 The media does not follow up on an incredibly big bombshell that she drops right there in the interview, which is what Planned Parenthood has been saying for decades since they were founded, which is that abortion and first of all, birth control before they legalized abortion was to be used as a population control tool for those that were seen as undesirables or unfits.

00:17:14.000 And this is the language, the unfit language or the undesirable population language is the language of Margaret Sanger.

00:17:20.000 She was the founder of Planned Parenthood.

00:17:21.000 So Ruth Bader Ginsburg in this interview is actually parroting the talking points, the ideology of Planned Parenthood, which is today, as you know, the biggest abortion chain.

00:17:30.000 They are lockstep with the Democratic Party.

00:17:33.000 They're all over our communities. 0.95

00:17:35.000 And the Supreme Court justice is saying, well, we have abortion so that we can get rid of the, I mean, ultimately get rid of the undesirable populations. 0.99

00:17:43.000 That means the poor. 1.00

00:17:44.000 That means minority groups, blacks. 1.00

00:17:46.000 That means those that are seen as intellectually inferior. 0.99

00:17:49.000 I mean, this is called eugenics. 0.64

00:17:51.000 This is what Nazi Germany imposed to get rid of unclean races or races that were deemed inferior to whites. 0.90

00:18:00.000 And then, of course, they had their final solution of massacring millions upon millions of Jews. 0.84

00:18:05.000 And we're doing it today, Charlie.

00:18:07.000 That's the thing that a lot of people don't realize. 0.86

00:18:09.000 But the number one killer in the black community today is abortion.

00:18:13.000 People don't want to talk about this. 0.96

00:18:14.000 You're not going to hear this from Black Lives Matter.

00:18:16.000 You're not going to hear this from most pundits. 0.54

00:18:18.000 But the number one killer of Black lives today is abortion. 0.84

00:18:20.000 A black woman is three to five times more likely to have an abortion in America than a white woman. 0.97

00:18:27.000 They have been targeted from day one. 0.99

00:18:29.000 And that black genocide, as Dr. Alvita King, the niece of Martin Luther King Jr. says, that black genocide is being carried out today. 0.98

00:18:36.000 I tell people. 0.99

00:18:37.000 So Bader Ginsburg knew. 0.93

00:18:39.000 And I tell people all the time in these Republican consultant circles, I say things are changing in the black community.

00:18:44.000 The issue that gets them to just stop is when you say that your people have been killed by white liberal abortionists for the last couple decades. 0.94

00:18:54.000 And it really is a winning. 0.94

00:18:55.000 Things are turning in the black community on the abortion issue. 1.00

00:18:58.000 It really is. 0.55

00:18:59.000 And you've played a really big role on that.

00:19:02.000 Candace Owens has been speaking out against it.

00:19:04.000 And it's really interesting, Lila, because back in 2012, we were told not to talk about these social issues, right?

00:19:09.000 Don't talk about it, just fiscal conservatism.

00:19:12.000 And now you kind of look at the landscape and the issue of life is winning.

00:19:17.000 And I want to ask you about that in just a second, but I'm going to read from NARAL's website, okay?

00:19:21.000 I don't even know what NARAL stands for.

00:19:23.000 It's the National Association of Terminating Children or something, right?

00:19:28.000 They changed it.

00:19:29.000 That is what they do and what they are.

00:19:32.000 They changed it to be the National Association for Pro-Choice America, but originally they were for the repeal of all abortion laws.

00:19:39.000 So they don't want to say that anymore because it sounds too extreme.

00:19:41.000 So they now put the word pro-choice in their title.

00:19:43.000 That's very interesting.

00:19:44.000 I was actually looking at it.

00:19:46.000 I was looking for what the acronym stands for.

00:19:48.000 Okay, on their website, they're very angry people, by the way.

00:19:50.000 I get their emails from this woman, Elise Hoag.

00:19:53.000 She's always very angry.

00:19:54.000 Anyway, it says freedom is for everybody.

00:19:58.000 So Lila, they're framing it in terms of freedom.

00:20:00.000 Okay, let me just read this.

00:20:01.000 I want you to respond. 1.00

00:20:02.000 Reproductive rights are essential for achieving gender equality.

00:20:05.000 Reproductive freedom means having affordable access to all reproductive health care options, including birth control and abortion care.

00:20:12.000 It also means supporting people who choose to work while pregnant and those raising families.

00:20:18.000 They say it's an issue of freedom, Lila.

00:20:20.000 I mean, it's, it's, um, it's so, there's so many lies in there that are just twisted language.

00:20:27.000 I mean, just a couple of things to point out.

00:20:28.000 Reproductive freedom in an abortion.

00:20:31.000 What that, what they're really saying is we should have abortion for all nine months for any reason.

00:20:34.000 I mean, they're using words like parenting and families because they know that America is actually kind of against abortion.

00:20:40.000 We don't really like the idea of ending human life.

00:20:42.000 So they're trying to make it sound palatable.

00:20:44.000 But look at the language they're using, reproductive justice. 0.99

00:20:47.000 And abortion is taking place on a human child that's already been created. 0.53

00:20:51.000 Reproduction has already taken place.

00:20:53.000 So reproductive justice has nothing to do with abortion. 0.89

00:20:56.000 It has nothing. 0.79

00:20:57.000 In fact, it has to do more with making sure that women and families have health care so that they can conceive, so that they are able to be healthy and have good fertility and be able to have healthy bodies. 0.99

00:21:08.000 But reproductive justice is not about abortion. 0.67

00:21:10.000 And so to conflate the two is a sleight of hand that they're using to try to defend their indefensible position of being pro-abortion.

00:21:18.000 And then the other thing, to put in the words parenthood and families, I mean, Planned Parenthood does this too.

00:21:22.000 I mean, they call themselves Planned Parenthood.

00:21:24.000 No, they're trying to destroy parenthood.

00:21:26.000 And that's what they're doing every day in abortion facilities across America.

00:21:30.000 So the language is incredibly deceptive.

00:21:32.000 But that's all they've got, Charlie.

00:21:34.000 That's really all they've got because they know that if they went out and said, we love abortion like they do, it would be really unattractive to a lot of people.

00:21:40.000 Well, some people do that.

00:21:41.000 You have Amy Schumer.

00:21:43.000 Is that her name?

00:21:44.000 Not exactly a person I would consider be full of joy in her life. 1.00

00:21:48.000 She does her whole shout the abortion movement. 1.00

00:21:52.000 And yet shout your abortion is allowed to be on social media.

00:21:55.000 You guys have been taken off TikTok and other social media platforms for telling the truth about abortion.

00:22:01.000 Lila, are you seeing public polling or at least with young people, is life gaining traction?

00:22:08.000 Because we are told that young people are all pro-choice.

00:22:10.000 You can't talk about it.

00:22:11.000 Is that true?

00:22:12.000 Yeah.

00:22:13.000 So there's actually just a global study done, not just in the United States, but on nations across the world that showed that actually support for abortion amongst young people is ultimately slowing down.

00:22:24.000 And in many places, it's on the decline.

00:22:26.000 And that's because young people are spending a lot of time on social media.

00:22:29.000 They get access to other sources of information beyond this traditional pro-abortion news media.

00:22:35.000 And so they're actually seeing, wow, this is a human life.

00:22:37.000 And they're also realizing, look, you know, my generation, the generation before me, our parents' generation, are they happy?

00:22:44.000 Are they happy that they maybe aborted my siblings?

00:22:46.000 Are they happy that they aborted some of their children?

00:22:49.000 Are they happy that they're part of that?

00:22:51.000 That's the other part that no one talks about, Charlie, is that people are not, a woman who has an abortion is not feeling like, oh, I just had an abortion.

00:22:57.000 I'm so empowered.

00:22:58.000 I mean, it is devastating to so many women and they carry this silent grief.

00:23:02.000 So I think we're seeing that in the poll numbers.

00:23:04.000 I mean, recent Gallup polls, other polls that they do regularly on this shows that the abortion support, I mean, while there is some entrenched abortion support in our country that does exist and we have to fight that amongst young people, the numbers are looking more and more favorable because they are more identifying with the pro-life position and wanting abortion restrictions.

00:23:21.000 And the vast majority of Americans want abortion restrictions.

00:23:24.000 Yes, and it's gaining traction.

00:23:26.000 On your website, you say liveaction.org.

00:23:28.000 Everyone should go there and help you out.

00:23:30.000 2,363 pre-born children will die in America today.

00:23:34.000 Every 90 seconds, a child is aborted at Planned Parenthood.

00:23:38.000 Under federal law, preborn children can be aborted up until birth, and a pre-born person's life can be ended for any reason.

00:23:44.000 If I could get every American kid that's eight years old to be exposed to those four facts, I think our country would be a better place.

00:23:50.000 I really do.

00:23:51.000 And I think, Lila, what also is a deeper point here is just, do we value human life or is it, are we willing to discard certain human life for our own convenience?

00:24:06.000 And can you talk about, though, how rare abortions are in the case of rape and incest of a mother and life of the mother?

00:24:14.000 And I know there's a lot of pro-life people out there, and I believe yourself included, that believe that there should be restrictions on all forms of abortion except the very rare case of life of the mother.

00:24:24.000 But can you just talk about the qualifications that most abortions, 99%, 98%, are actually a form of birth control?

00:24:31.000 That it's now the primary form of, because just, I'm saying this for a reason, Lila.

00:24:35.000 They make it seem as if abortion is only in the case of rape or only in the case of incest.

00:24:40.000 It's actually the exact opposite.

00:24:42.000 Right.

00:24:43.000 You're right, Charlie.

00:24:44.000 I mean, the statistics that even come out of the Gutmacher Institute's Planned Parenthood's Research Arm say that even in the sort of more generous application of statistics, and again, this is from Planned Parenthood's Research Arm, it's less than 3% of abortions are in the cases of rape, incest, or life health of the mother.

00:25:02.000 There's a life-threatening condition for the mother.

00:25:04.000 So it's a very, very small fraction.

00:25:07.000 And some say as little as less than 1% of all abortions.

00:25:11.000 So it's an incredibly small fraction.

00:25:12.000 And that's what people say is the reason we need abortion on demand.

00:25:15.000 Well, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of children killed purely out of convenience and often out of fear.

00:25:22.000 I mean, fear is a real part of this.

00:25:24.000 And Planned Parenthood knows that and they prey on the fears of women.

00:25:26.000 That's why they were so adamant about remaining open during coronavirus because they knew that more people would be afraid. 0.98

00:25:32.000 And so they knew they could make more money and keep killing children.

00:25:35.000 And they were using, you know, personal protective equipment and keeping their clinics open while the churches were closed.

00:25:40.000 But it is less than 3%.

00:25:42.000 And even in those cases, I do want to address those cases because I think there's a lot of misunderstanding around that.

00:25:48.000 No, please do.

00:25:48.000 I want you to.

00:25:48.000 I think there's this.

00:25:49.000 Yeah.

00:25:49.000 Thank you.

00:25:50.000 Yeah.

00:25:50.000 So I think there's this sort of like gut reaction that we have, where if we hear about a horrific case of a woman being the victim of rape, right?

00:25:57.000 And she becomes pregnant, then we think, oh my gosh, she absolutely should have an abortion.

00:26:02.000 That's sort of this gut reaction we have culturally. 0.94

00:26:05.000 And it's sort of like a foregone conclusion.

00:26:07.000 But in the studies that have been done, and there aren't a lot, there should be more, but in the few studies that have been done, and we report on this at Live Action News, women who have an abortion after rape are not, their healing process is not aided.

00:26:18.000 Instead, actually, it adds more trauma to the original trauma of the rape.

00:26:23.000 In other words, abortion doesn't take away the trauma of the rape. 0.88

00:26:26.000 It doesn't unrape her. 1.00

00:26:28.000 That still happened to her. 0.99

00:26:29.000 It just adds another violent act on top of it, which is not just against her body with an abortion. 0.99

00:26:35.000 It's a very, very invasive, terrible experience, but also it kills a child. 0.65

00:26:40.000 So when you look at the statistics, women actually don't fare better with an abortion after rape.

00:26:44.000 And many women regret it.

00:26:46.000 They wish that they hadn't had an abortion, then they felt pressured to have it because, again, it's the foregone conclusion. 0.72

00:26:52.000 If you're pregnant after rape, you're like, you should definitely have an abortion. 0.94

00:26:55.000 Maybe that's not what's best for the woman. 1.00

00:26:57.000 And then the second thing to consider is the child. 0.86

00:26:59.000 If you're a child conceived in rape, whose fault is that?

00:27:03.000 Are you the criminal for that? 1.00

00:27:04.000 Or was it your father, this man who was the rapist who assaulted your mother? 0.99

00:27:09.000 He should get the penalty for that. 0.98

00:27:11.000 We don't even give the death penalty, Charlie, in America for rapists.

00:27:15.000 It's actually against federal law.

00:27:17.000 Rapists cannot be given the death penalty.

00:27:19.000 Why do we give the death penalty then to children conceived in rape?

00:27:23.000 Why do we make them responsible for the crimes of their father?

00:27:26.000 So for both the woman and the child, abortion after rape is not a solution.

00:27:30.000 And so when we educate on this, people are very much, they're more open to understanding that.

00:27:35.000 But again, because we have this knee-jerk reaction to it, and we've just been cemented and formed that way by our society and our media, it's hard for her to think otherwise.

00:27:43.000 But rapes survivors are not benefited by abortion, and that child conceived is certainly not, it's not their punishment to carry the crimes of their sins of their father.

00:27:55.000 That's a very compelling case.

00:27:56.000 I want to read something from a celebrity.

00:27:58.000 I don't really follow these people, but I saw it in a news feed and I checked into it.

00:28:02.000 Celebrity Salma Hayek.

00:28:04.000 I don't know if you've probably heard of her.

00:28:06.000 Yeah.

00:28:06.000 Don't exactly follow her.

00:28:08.000 However, someone sent me, it was really interesting because it was right on point. 0.99

00:28:13.000 Selma Hayek, five days ago, and I actually don't know where she stands politically. 1.00

00:28:17.000 I bet she's a leftist. 1.00

00:28:18.000 I just, I bet she's pro-choice. 0.87

00:28:19.000 Yeah, she's fairly left.

00:28:20.000 Okay, so I was a complete guess, by the way.

00:28:23.000 I just only use this as an interesting example.

00:28:24.000 I don't know if you saw this Instagram post or not, but I think it's really interesting and something you can use.

00:28:28.000 She said, quote, tomorrow, the tiny baby that formed inside my womb officially becomes a teenager.

00:28:36.000 They grow so fast.

00:28:37.000 And then she puts it in Spanish.

00:28:39.000 And I thought to myself, and she has a picture of herself pregnant and in front of a window.

00:28:45.000 I read this.

00:28:46.000 I said, why do you get to call it a baby?

00:28:50.000 But someone in your exact same form of progression of pregnancy could go to Planned Parenthood and they just say it's disposable.

00:28:58.000 Lila, what is their answer to that?

00:29:01.000 And isn't there some, isn't that a pretty good argument for us where life is not some sort of subjective, it's a baby for me, but it's a clump of selves for thee.

00:29:11.000 Right.

00:29:12.000 Yeah.

00:29:12.000 Reality doesn't work that way.

00:29:14.000 You know, you're either dead or alive.

00:29:16.000 You either exist or you don't.

00:29:18.000 And you can't, your value isn't assigned by whether or not your mother loves you.

00:29:22.000 You know, that doesn't make you valuable.

00:29:25.000 And as Mother Teresa says, you know, I will take your baby.

00:29:28.000 There's so many people out there.

00:29:30.000 And I work with thousands of them that are waiting on adoption lists, that want to adopt these children.

00:29:35.000 If a mother feels she can't carry that child to terms, so there's so many people ready to love a new child.

00:29:41.000 And so to say we should destroy that child, I mean, it is really heartbreaking.

00:29:46.000 And, you know, quoting Selma, you know, her saying, oh, this little tiny baby in my womb, now it's a teenager.

00:29:52.000 You see this a lot from celebrities, Charlie.

00:29:54.000 You see it from Chrissy Teigen.

00:29:57.000 You may know her.

00:29:58.000 She's very pro-child.

00:29:59.000 Married to John Legend, right?

00:30:00.000 Or something like that.

00:30:01.000 Married to John Legend.

00:30:02.000 Like, you know, Twitter personality has different like HTV shows or whatever. 1.00

00:30:06.000 But she has this whole thing about miscarriage.

00:30:08.000 And she was talking about seeing the ultrasound and hearing the heartbeat of her next baby and how amazing it was.

00:30:13.000 And you're like, that baby that is on ultrasound that you're admiring is the exact baby that the age of the baby, size of the baby, that you are advocating to be killed, that you say is what am I just killed?

00:30:26.000 You're not missing anything.

00:30:27.000 It's not logical.

00:30:28.000 It's not, it's not compassionate.

00:30:30.000 It's not fair.

00:30:31.000 But that's what we've allowed.

00:30:32.000 I mean, that's the schizophrenia of our society.

00:30:35.000 And it has to stop, Charlie.

00:30:36.000 I mean, that's why education is key.

00:30:38.000 And then also laws are key.

00:30:40.000 There will be some people who, because of the will to power, they say, I'm more powerful.

00:30:44.000 I get to do what I want.

00:30:45.000 That we need laws to protect these children just as much as we need a cultural change.

00:30:49.000 So that's why we fight for both.

00:30:50.000 So I'm going to read a question that we got emailed to us at freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:30:55.000 And we have some great listeners to our podcast, and we're actually convincing people towards life.

00:31:00.000 There's a lot of listeners that were previously not pro-life, and now they are.

00:31:04.000 And so there's a really good question that came in.

00:31:05.000 I'm paraphrasing this.

00:31:07.000 He said, Charlie, I love liberty.

00:31:09.000 I love freedom.

00:31:10.000 And I believe that abortion is wrong, but I don't think abortion should be illegal.

00:31:14.000 Can you convince me otherwise?

00:31:16.000 So that kind of goes to your part about laws.

00:31:18.000 Can you build that out for us, Lila?

00:31:21.000 Absolutely.

00:31:21.000 Well, let's consider another, an example.

00:31:24.000 In a situation, let's say of child abuse, right?

00:31:27.000 You can say, well, I would personally never abuse my child, but I don't want to infringe on somebody else's right to abuse their child.

00:31:34.000 I mean, would you say that?

00:31:35.000 Would this same listener who sent us email say that?

00:31:38.000 They'd probably say, no, child abuse should be illegal.

00:31:38.000 Probably not.

00:31:41.000 And if you are caught abusing your child, you should, you know, there should be a penalty for that.

00:31:44.000 That child should be protected.

00:31:46.000 Similarly, with abortion, if we know this is a human life, if we acknowledge the scientific reality, this is a human life, and that abortion intentionally and violently kills that human life.

00:31:54.000 And if we think that human lives deserve protection, which I think we all do, we think innocent people should not be killed and that the law permit that, then they should be protected just as much as anybody else.

00:32:05.000 And that's why this is a legal issue as much as it is a cultural issue.

00:32:09.000 Because if the law unfavorably chooses one people group to protect versus another, that's an unjust law.

00:32:16.000 Everybody has to have equal treatment under the law.

00:32:18.000 And you can't just be personally pro-life.

00:32:20.000 To be personally pro-life and say, I'm against it, but I would let other people do it is the same as saying, I'm against child abuse, but I would let somebody else abuse a child.

00:32:28.000 If it's a child, he or she deserves protection, and it's that simple.

00:32:32.000 Yeah, and that's why you have laws. 0.95

00:32:33.000 And if the opinion of somebody in that camp is, I want the decriminalization of all laws that protect the innocent, that's a pretty foolish worldview.

00:32:44.000 And if that's your opinion, then state it and defend it.

00:32:47.000 But if you all of a sudden have this belief that I'm going to have a set of laws for only people that are so old, okay, well, then what's your breaking point then? 0.77

00:32:57.000 Is it when they're one years old or two years old or why not two months old?

00:33:02.000 When the baby's DNA is formed.

00:33:04.000 Can you talk, Lila, about the miraculous nature of the DNA formation?

00:33:08.000 That there's something that science still cannot completely explain.

00:33:12.000 We call it the miracle of life.

00:33:14.000 We say it so often.

00:33:16.000 But when the egg is fertilized, there's something that will never be created again.

00:33:21.000 It is unique.

00:33:23.000 You and I come from the Christian perspective that it is God's hand in the creation of that life, just simply how God breathed life into existence at the beginning of creation.

00:33:34.000 Can you just kind of walk through about just how incredible it is and how we should value that?

00:33:40.000 Yeah.

00:33:41.000 Yeah, of course.

00:33:42.000 I love the way you're talking about it because it is, I think it is miraculous.

00:33:45.000 And there are things that science can explain.

00:33:47.000 Like, why is it that at the moment of fertilization, while all the DNA is present, so you have your XY chromosome, you have all your DNA present, or you have your, you know, if it's a boy or girl, depending what chromosomes you have.

00:33:57.000 And why is it that this unique organism now, individual human organism, is self-actualizing?

00:34:02.000 I mean, it has the power to actually grow.

00:34:05.000 It knows from its own design.

00:34:07.000 It has its own blueprint and it also knows to grow.

00:34:10.000 That is something science has trouble explaining because it is able without interruption with proper nourishment, if it's not aborted, if he or she is not miscarried, they will grow one day and into a full-grown baby, which can be born, and then one day into an adult.

00:34:23.000 And that is a miracle.

00:34:25.000 And it's hard to explain scientifically.

00:34:28.000 But one thing, other thing that you said, Charlie, about that kind of libertarian idea, which I just want to make another note there.

00:34:34.000 Yeah, I mean, I hear this a lot from libertarians or people that say, you know, the laws really should not get involved here.

00:34:40.000 And I say, well, why are you then against murder?

00:34:43.000 You know, why do you think the law should be involved with murder?

00:34:45.000 Or why should the law be involved with rape?

00:34:47.000 And even the best libertarian, the most liberal libertarian will say, yeah, of course we should have some laws.

00:34:53.000 And so again, logically, it follows if it is a child, if it's a human being in the womb, then they should be protected just like a born child.

00:35:00.000 So I know a lot of pro-life libertarians, but you can still be libertarian or you can still be very much pro-human freedom and be very pro-life.

00:35:08.000 The whole idea of a constitutional republic is to protect the rights of the weak against the tyranny of the strong.

00:35:14.000 That's why you have laws.

00:35:15.000 So you do not have hierarchies of people that come in with a bigger weapon or a bigger army and be able to abuse the weak.

00:35:24.000 That's why you have murder laws.

00:35:26.000 That's why we have laws against our government.

00:35:28.000 That's why in the Constitution, it explicitly says that Congress cannot do certain things, that you have the separation of powers.

00:35:34.000 It's the idea that the rights of the minority or those that might not have the same capacity as you actually matter.

00:35:41.000 And most importantly, the right to life.

00:35:43.000 Lila, as we close this conversation, can you also talk about how they always frame this from a woman's perspective?

00:35:51.000 I'm on Planned Parenthood's website here, which I do not have a habit of visiting their website.

00:35:57.000 But they frame everything in a pro-woman lens.

00:36:00.000 That if you dare not support abortion, that is an attack on your femininity.

00:36:05.000 It is an attack on your womanhood, that you must fight the patriarchy.

00:36:10.000 And by doing so, you must be able to terminate pregnancy.

00:36:14.000 What is your response to the kind of pro-woman framing of this and how they just make this seem almost a man versus woman issue? 0.97

00:36:23.000 I mean, as a woman, I find it incredibly offensive because it's telling me that to be strong, to be empowered, I have to kill my offspring.

00:36:32.000 I have to commit an act of aggression and violence against my own flesh and blood. 0.73

00:36:36.000 And it's it's that women, it set women back.

00:36:39.000 It set us back, Charlie. 0.99

00:36:41.000 We are not happier by killing our family members.

00:36:44.000 You know, we are not more empowered by rejecting our family and our own, our own children.

00:36:50.000 And you look at the grief.

00:36:52.000 I mean, I have been privileged to talk to now, probably over the years, hundreds upon hundreds of women who have been, who've had abortions in their past.

00:36:58.000 And they're still looking at me with tears in their eyes because when that kind of moment of truth hits them, I mean, there's a moment of relief.

00:37:06.000 A lot of women do feel relief after having an abortion because they're like, okay, I'm out of the immediate experience of pregnancy.

00:37:11.000 You know, what am I going to do being a mom?

00:37:13.000 You know, many don't feel ready to be mom.

00:37:15.000 But then it starts to hit them as time goes by.

00:37:18.000 And there's all these co-occurring disorders they might have, you know, mood issues they may have.

00:37:22.000 I mean, many even have suicidal ideation.

00:37:24.000 A woman is actually 100% more likely to commit suicide a year after her abortion than before.

00:37:31.000 I mean, the suicide rate spikes amongst women who are post-abortive.

00:37:36.000 It's because you know instinctually that this is a life and that this was your son or your daughter.

00:37:42.000 So I am so angry at the abortion lobby to lie to women like this.

00:37:48.000 And they're profiting.

00:37:48.000 They make $500 to thousands of dollars off of each individual abortion.

00:37:53.000 They profit from this.

00:37:54.000 And it's 2,000 plus a day at Planned Parenthood. 0.96

00:37:57.000 They're an abortion factor.

00:37:58.000 Yeah, so it's millions of dollars they're making.

00:38:00.000 And every year, hundreds of millions.

00:38:02.000 It's a multi-billion dollar industry when you add up all of the abortions and everything that they're doing. 1.00

00:38:06.000 And I'm angry at them because women have been lied to. 0.99

00:38:10.000 We've been given these stupid lies about prenatal development, about empowerment, and we're not happier because of it. 1.00

00:38:16.000 And there's all of this carnage because of it. 1.00

00:38:18.000 The reality is women deserve support.

00:38:21.000 I mean, women deserve, and men, we need men to step up. 0.76

00:38:24.000 I mean, and thankfully, there are some laws like child support and things like that, but it's a cultural issue.

00:38:29.000 We need men.

00:38:30.000 If you're going to sleep, I mean, this is what I would say. 0.99

00:38:32.000 It's very, very blunt, but if you're going to sleep with a woman, be ready to be a father. 0.86

00:38:37.000 I mean, if you're, I think part of this is responsibility, personal responsibility that our culture has forgotten.

00:38:43.000 And women deserve that support because we do carry a lot.

00:38:46.000 I mean, being pregnant is no joke. 0.99

00:38:48.000 Having a child is a big deal.

00:38:51.000 And so how we view sex and how we treat sex also has to change.

00:38:54.000 I think that's part of the solution.

00:38:55.000 And we need men to step up and women deserve support.

00:38:58.000 One other thing there, that's why I'm also really proud of the thousands of pregnancy resource centers and the work in the Prolif movement to support women.

00:39:06.000 That is crucial work because we can't just say don't have an abortion and then like, you know, check out.

00:39:10.000 These women deserve our support. 1.00

00:39:11.000 Girls deserve our support.

00:39:13.000 And so if you're listening and you're, you know, wanting to get involved in the Perlif movement, I highly recommend, of course, check out Live Action, but we refer to and encourage the work of those supporting these women, supporting girls in need.

00:39:25.000 That is half the battle.

00:39:26.000 And so I encourage you to get involved.

00:39:27.000 CareNet is a wonderful organization.

00:39:29.000 Heartbeat International is another great organization that is doing amazing work day in, day out to serve women and communities and their families.

00:39:37.000 You hit it perfectly.

00:39:40.000 And I think every church in the country, especially these megachurches that build these endless mausoleums and these huge buildings and they go march with BLM and they don't support the Pregnancy Crisis Center.

00:39:51.000 They don't support the new mothers in their church.

00:39:54.000 I think it's gross and it's awful.

00:39:56.000 And I think the church needs to step up with the millions and billions and hundreds of billions of dollars that have been given to them and get involved in this fight for family creation for life.

00:40:06.000 The abortion industry right now, and you said it perfectly, it's a multi-billion dollar lobby.

00:40:12.000 They are a corporate lobby and their business model is hyper-sexualizing children.

00:40:17.000 You see that through QTs and Netflix, getting kids sexually active before they even become teenagers.

00:40:22.000 It's a big part of their model.

00:40:24.000 They go into grade schools.

00:40:26.000 Planned Parenthood does, and they teach the most graphic sexual education courses you can imagine.

00:40:31.000 It is, and then by the time kids are 16, they're already very sexually active.

00:40:36.000 And it's a real, and no wonder why they look at abortion as a form of birth control.

00:40:41.000 What's really horrifying, Lila, is we're on pace to have 500,000 less children next year than this year, is that our birth rate is now going down because, and the abortion rate is staying stable, if not going up.

00:40:52.000 And that is considered to be in a central activity, which is just so incredibly, it's just gross.

00:41:00.000 I used that word earlier, but it's true. 0.56

00:41:02.000 And I do think, though, that this confirmation fight, and I just want to encourage you, let's say it's Amy Coney Barrett or Barbara Lagoa, you know, at the recording of this conversation, we don't know, but it's probably going to be someone who's pro-life.

00:41:14.000 Millions of people, and I really believe this, will start the confirmation fight as someone who might be pro-choice, and we can bring them in the pro-life category.

00:41:23.000 This might be the greatest conversion opportunity for life we've ever seen.

00:41:27.000 Because what will happen is President Trump, who is the most pro-life president in American history, spoke of the March for Life, just signed the Born Alive executive order, has cut Planned Parenthood funding.

00:41:37.000 Gorsuch Kavanaugh and God willing, we'll get either Amy Coney Barrett or another Justice, Barbara Lagoa.

00:41:43.000 What will happen as soon as he nominates that person, because the left is so pathologically determined to oppose anything the president does, they will slander the pro-life views that that person holds.

00:41:53.000 And at that moment, you'll see Nayrall, Elizabeth Warren, every person on the left go and misrepresent the woman's rights issue.

00:42:02.000 And I just want to encourage you, Lila, go have those debates.

00:42:05.000 Go on television, if they'll have you, and contest for this because the truth is on our side.

00:42:09.000 And we can bring millions of people over into our camp in the next couple of weeks.

00:42:13.000 That's why I'm so excited to gear up for this fight because we've almost been waiting for this moment, right?

00:42:18.000 This is the fight that we have been waiting for.

00:42:21.000 And for churches out there, get mobilized.

00:42:22.000 Pastors out there get vocal.

00:42:24.000 And so it's more important than ever because the left is going to be geared up for their culture war.

00:42:28.000 And the final thing I'll say, and Lila, maybe you can help make sense of this.

00:42:31.000 Why are they so just pathologically obsessed with abortion?

00:42:34.000 Why does it animate them so much?

00:42:36.000 I mean, it's just a connection to that.

00:42:39.000 I have theories about it, but is there anyone you comment on that?

00:42:44.000 I have theories as well.

00:42:45.000 I think a lot of it is deep wounds that many people have.

00:42:49.000 They have been involved in abortion.

00:42:51.000 They've had abortions and they haven't healed from them.

00:42:54.000 They haven't reckoned with it.

00:42:56.000 And so because the killing of their son or their daughter.

00:42:59.000 And so their way to deal with that is by trying to get other people to have abortions too, ultimately, and make it okay for other people to have abortions too.

00:43:08.000 I think that's where you see some of this sort of almost instability.

00:43:10.000 Like you see celebrities or there was the March for Light, March for Women last year, which again, not March for Women, I mean March for Death, really.

00:43:18.000 And they're shouting their abortions.

00:43:20.000 Like you said, there's just like anger and this frenzy.

00:43:22.000 And I think it comes from a place of deep disturbance.

00:43:25.000 People are really disturbed because of abortion, and they think then they have to just have more abortions.

00:43:30.000 More abortions have to be permitted.

00:43:32.000 More people should have them.

00:43:33.000 I think that's part of it.

00:43:34.000 I'm also a person of faith, as I know you are, Charlie, and I do think it's spiritual.

00:43:38.000 I mean, we believe that evil is real.

00:43:40.000 I think everybody would acknowledge evil is real.

00:43:43.000 And evil is nonsensical.

00:43:45.000 Evil doesn't really make sense.

00:43:47.000 It just wants to kill.

00:43:48.000 It wants to destroy. 0.99

00:43:49.000 It wants to hurt and harm.

00:43:50.000 And I think there's that spirit alive, you know, even in the souls of people all over the world, that there's a spirit, the fight between good and evil.

00:43:57.000 And I think that's what this comes down to.

00:43:59.000 It really is a fight between good and evil.

00:44:01.000 And it's a fight for the future of our country.

00:44:03.000 What kind of country are we going to be?

00:44:05.000 Are we one that's built on basic human rights?

00:44:07.000 Are we one that protects the weak, that loves the child?

00:44:10.000 Or are we one that will throw it all out the window and destroy those that are innocent?

00:44:14.000 I choose life.

00:44:15.000 That's the country I'm fighting for.

00:44:16.000 And I know you're fighting for it too.

00:44:18.000 Liveaction.org.

00:44:20.000 Everybody, please, the fight for life is the fight right now.

00:44:24.000 It's the most important fight.

00:44:26.000 Get involved because we have to confirm the Supreme Court justice and it could reverse Roe versus Wade.

00:44:32.000 And we'll talk about that at a different podcast at a different time.

00:44:33.000 It's just so important.

00:44:35.000 God bless you, Lila.

00:44:36.000 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:44:37.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:44:37.000 We learned a lot.

00:44:38.000 Thank you.

00:44:38.000 Keep fighting.

00:44:39.000 Thanks.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 26, 2020

Amy Coney Barrett and the Fight to End Abortion with Lila Rose

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