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00:01:30.000Welcome to this special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:32.000I have with me someone who is probably one of the most intelligent, funniest individuals in the conservative movement and really has written brilliantly on a variety of different issues.
00:01:43.000Just to give you an idea, his Twitter name, you could change your Twitter name, not your Twitter handle, very easily.
00:01:48.000It says, let's start our own MAGA chaz.
00:02:01.000There's a new sovereign country in Seattle where I think we now have two people that we know of that have been killed within that chop chaz sovereign country.
00:02:10.000I've been looking at your Twitter feed recently, and you alongside many others seem pretty irritated about the direction that we are headed as a country.
00:02:21.000You were one of the first people that actually was at the beginning of kind of Breitbart News, or I think it was called Big Hollywood back then.
00:02:28.000And Andrew Breitbart, my goodness, do we need more people like Andrew today?
00:02:32.000Can you just give us an update of how you think things are going or not going and what you think our audience can do to help course correct?
00:02:39.000I think that overall, the important thing that people should keep in mind is that this is just a cycle.
00:02:47.000And it will probably, if Joe Biden wins, it will definitely come to an end.
00:02:54.000If Joe Biden doesn't win, I think that we're looking at a pretty long cycle of this.
00:03:00.000We went through something very similar in the 60s, and it took a while to shake itself out.
00:03:07.000And what we're going to see happen, because, and we've seen this before, is the cities are going to get very, very bad because you have the Democrats going along with what is basically a soft on crime position.
00:03:22.000And remember, Bill Clinton got elected in 1992 as a Democrat who rejected the soft on crime stuff.
00:03:30.000And that's how bad things got for the Democrats.
00:03:33.000And everything that you see happening culturally, everything you see happening as far as the police, it's all going to lead to disaster.
00:03:52.000We forget why New York elected Bruny Giuliani in 1994.
00:03:58.000They did it because the soft on crime policies proved to be a disaster.
00:04:03.000And so we're probably going to go through a phase of urban blight where the cities get very, very bad.
00:04:11.000And then, you know, eventually people are going to be forced to wake up and admit that this stuff just doesn't work and it's making life intolerable.
00:04:20.000So one thing I will ask, though, is I actually sometimes say this is not a cycle because we're seeing things we've never seen before.
00:04:29.000People in private businesses having to take a knee just because they're white, black-only, the return of black-only dormitories at schools like University of California.
00:04:41.000But we are seeing things we've never experienced before in our country, and especially a predominant generation that we're trying to work towards that have bitter resentment and hatred for everything we care about.
00:04:54.000Cal State Los Angeles, I'm sorry, and UC Boulder have black-only dormitories.
00:04:58.000How much of this do you think we can course correct?
00:05:00.000And how much of this do you think is actually now just the new normal that we're going to have to live with?
00:05:05.000White kids having to apologize for who they are.
00:05:10.000I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
00:05:12.000Eventually, it's going to shake itself out.
00:05:14.000Because like I said, this is such an intolerable way, not only for people to live like you and I, who have to watch this nonsense, but it's intolerable for the people that are demanding this kind of fealty.
00:06:59.000And the question is, when do we hit bottom?
00:07:01.000And how much damage do we have to go through?
00:07:03.000I mean, when you have a Sacramento Kings radio announcer that gets fired when he says all lives matter, I mean, when you have the constant digital annihilation culture, I think that is one thing culturally that is different.
00:07:16.000I mean, they tried to do that in the 1960s.
00:07:18.000It's just, to your point, they didn't have the same digital mechanisms to be able to expose and boycott and create a mob or a swarm within a moment's notice like they do today.
00:07:28.000Now they can just say, oh, we want to wipe this person off the face of the earth.
00:07:32.000One of those individuals that they've tried to cancel for quite some time, you wrote about this, is Jerry Falwell Jr., a dear friend of mine, runs Liberty University, one of the few good colleges in our country.
00:07:42.000You wrote about kind of how he was attacked for attacking and exposing Ralph Northam's racism.
00:07:50.000This is one of the most outrageous stories I have ever seen.
00:07:55.000Jerry Falwell Jr. doesn't like Governor Ralph Northam, the Virginia governor, doesn't like his mandatory mask policy.
00:08:05.000So what Falwell did was put up a tweet that said, if I'm going to be forced to wear a mask in so many words, I'm going to wear this mask with a picture of Governor Blackface on it.
00:08:17.000And what he had on the mask or the picture that he put on the Twitter on the tweet was that infamous yearbook photo where Northam is either dressed up as a Klansman or dressed up in blackface, and none of it is good natured.
00:08:32.000This is not a good natured anti-racism fail.
00:08:37.000This is a malevolent, malicious stereotype making very light of racism, which is what you expect from Democrats at that time because Democrats were the pro-segregation party at that time.
00:09:12.000And people don't want Falwell reminding people that Northam is a racist because they're not re-traumatized every time you see what happened to George Floyd.
00:09:24.000I mean, if Falwell was a Democrat and there was somewhere a picture of Donald Trump in Blackface, and he did the same tweet, but used Donald Trump in Blackface, and I want to make sure, make clear, there's no photo of Donald Trump in Blackface, they would love it.
00:09:41.000So it's all politics and it's all a way to protect Northam and a way to protect, to attack Falwell simply because he's a Trump supporter.
00:09:51.000What he was doing was attacking racism.
00:10:35.000Well, I want to make clear that I want Trump to win and I'm going to vote for him.
00:10:39.000But everybody, when you talk about what's happening right now, I hear this over and over thousands, literally thousands and thousands of times on Twitter.
00:11:40.000And he's, in my opinion, making one massive mistake after another in not understanding that when the country is facing all these crises at once, if it's just one crisis, it's bad enough.
00:11:55.000But we have three crises going on right now.
00:11:57.000We have the coronavirus, we have the economy, and we have these nationwide riots.
00:12:02.000And instead of rising above it, instead of being steady, instead of being calm and cool, he's the same guy that he was when unemployment was 3%.
00:13:00.000And even if you're not competent, even if your management is incompetent, they want you to at least present yourself as competent, which is one of the reasons Andrew Como is doing so well.
00:13:10.000Because even though he totally screwed up the coronavirus in New York, he presents himself on TV every day as someone who's in charge, who has an answer for everything.
00:13:19.000And yet Trump let those coronavirus briefings just devolve, devolve into these grudge matches, these endless marathons of grudge matches against the media.
00:13:30.000And that's where I think he started hurting himself.
00:15:13.000You know, right now he's just reacting to these riots instead of leading, instead of presenting himself as the president and saying, here's the plan.
00:15:23.000We're going to protect these monuments and the governors that don't.
00:15:29.000But the first thing he needs to do is get off of Twitter and stop making everything about him and take a very good look at the 2004 election because the similarities are striking.
00:15:41.000He's also, you know, George W. Bush was up against a guy everybody knew for years.
00:15:47.000And he was up against a Democrat and he had terrible approval ratings, but he mustered through.
00:15:53.000I would very closely watch that election, but he really needs to get off of Twitter.
00:16:00.000So you also wrote on Breitbart.com, the left's demand for racism far exceeds the supply.
00:16:09.000And let's just talk about this now hyper-focus on race in America on how the left wants us to be almost a, they want us to be a very hyper-racialized society where we look at people's skin color first and foremost.
00:16:24.000Well, the thing that sort of prompted that piece was I was watching Bubba Wallace, NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace and Al Sharpton on TV after we discovered that the so-called noose left in his garage was not a noose left in his garage.
00:16:41.000It was a loop tied at the end of a garage pole.
00:16:44.000And I saw Bubba Wallace on TV that night and he was still complaining.
00:16:48.000He was still claimed, pretending to be the victim and still using the word damaged to reflect himself, even though someone tied a loop at the end of a garage pole in a garage no one could have known he was going to be in because they tied it last year.
00:17:02.000And then I watched Al Sharpton on MSNBC and he's saying, well, somebody might have seen the noose and then assigned Bubba to that garage.
00:17:12.000So that tells me that he might still be the victim here.
00:17:16.000Or someone tied that noose, assuming someday Bubba would show up in that garage.
00:17:22.000And I just thought to myself, these guys are willing to make massive idiots of themselves just to keep this narrative alive.
00:17:31.000And it's just a reminder of how little racism there is in America.
00:17:35.000If there is racism in America, you don't have to make up racism in America.
00:17:40.000You don't have to tell the world that the Hispanic George Zimmerman who shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense is a white racist killer.
00:17:49.000You don't have to manufacture hands up, don't shoot when the guy was killed, when Michael Brown was killed trying to take a police officer's gun.
00:17:57.000And we've had countless hoaxes, countless racial hoaxes over the past 10 years.
00:18:03.000Over 100 of them is documented at Breitbart.com.
00:19:29.000And so here's a question I have for you.
00:19:31.000Do you think that the moderate progressives and the center left Americans can ever put down their hatred of Donald Trump and essentially wake this, you know, wake up to all this craziness?
00:19:41.000I mean, when, when does the, when do the Bill Maher of the world who are starting to kind of signal of it, signal this or just say, this is enough?
00:19:49.000And you, you kind of have operated in that world of Hollywood.
00:19:53.000Um, you've kind of been in that world where they're, they're, they're happy to advocate for all this nonsense until it actually comes for them.
00:20:00.000I mean, the National Basketball Association is painting their courts, Black Lives Matter.
00:20:05.000Um, you have, I think the NFL says you could put things on the back of your jersey that will be a social justice statement.
00:20:12.000Oh, the NBA might have done that, which is interesting.
00:20:14.000I don't think any of them will have free Hong Kong on the back of their NBA jersey, which I think would be the ultimate social justice statement.
00:20:21.000I get this question all the time, John, and I'd love to have you help unpack this for me.
00:20:28.000When will the left stop this campaign of destruction for our country?
00:20:38.000So, I'd love to get your take on that.
00:20:40.000What you're going to see happen is what they're doing is what they did to the Boy Scouts.
00:20:48.000So, you take a program like the Boy Scouts, which everybody loves and everybody, you know, it's just part of traditional America.
00:20:58.000And then you attack the Boy Scouts because they won't accept homosexual scout masters, and which is a perfectly valid thing for the Boy Scouts not to do.
00:21:09.000I don't want a straight man overseeing young girls in the same way I don't want a gay man overseeing young boys.
00:21:16.000It has nothing to do with opposing or being prejudiced against gay people.
00:21:46.000Well, off the radar, what's happening throughout the whole country is that their localities, localities are having their little boys get together and they're teaching them how to hunt and they're teaching them how to fish.
00:21:58.000Instead of a national organization that the left can attack, it's just happening very organically at the local level where boys are getting together and men are showing them how to do this and men are showing them how to do that.
00:22:57.000The NFL says we're going to stop kneeling and the left feels a loss.
00:23:01.000I think it's just going to trickle its way out.
00:23:02.000But again, like the cities that are about to be hit with urban blight, it's going to take a while.
00:23:07.000We're probably looking at a decade before this works itself out.
00:23:12.000And so, yeah, this kind of idea of when we actually think this is going to end is when I get all the time.
00:23:20.000People say, well, Charlie, when's the left going to stop destroying the country?
00:23:24.000And I'm not convinced they're capable of that.
00:23:26.000I think that is actually what they want.
00:23:28.000I mean, they're a force of destruction.
00:23:30.000You could look at almost any revolution in the last hundred years.
00:23:34.000It's not exactly like the left is masters at building.
00:23:37.000They are, they're quite determined at societal and cultural destruction.
00:23:42.000And this is, of course, more like the French Revolution.
00:23:44.000They're still trying to figure themselves out all the way back from the 1780s in France.
00:23:48.000Still have, you know, I think, a some revolt every other week in some ways, and they have not a central canon that allows them to believe in, you know, first principles and and in a republic.
00:24:00.000So other question i'm going to ask here John, which is just more broadly, I got a lot of conservatives that ask.
00:24:07.000What can I do to fight this, because they feel like they're losing their country?
00:24:11.000You know, you were, you fought alongside the amazing Andrew Breitbart, who made the world a better place seriously, and his legacy lives on still to this day.
00:24:20.000What, what can good patriots do from all across the country to help fight against this?
00:24:27.000You know, just advance of of leftist carnage everywhere we see across our country.
00:24:34.000I would first just try to have a perspective on it.
00:24:39.000Um, this is a very small segment of the country.
00:24:43.000It's even a small segment of the left, and it's just being blown up right now by by the media.
00:25:05.000They're playing into all this because they know that they have to, but when push comes to shove, I mean, are we really going to defund the police?
00:25:13.000And if we do, how long is that going to last?
00:25:15.000So I think people just need to keep it.
00:25:17.000Don't let yourself be demoralized because everyone's trying to make you feel like you're outnumbered right now.
00:25:23.000And honestly, with with people on the left, 97 of things we have in common with them, and the media divides us because they focus on the dumb things that we don't agree with, but on our basic humanity we have a lot in common with them.
00:25:39.000But do not surrender, do not kneel, do not spout racist things like black lives matter.
00:25:48.000I mean, when I live, when I was working in Hollywood and people asked me if I was a Republican, I would always say, I don't like to be called a Republican, I prefer right-wing extremists.
00:25:57.000And you just, you just tell them right then.
00:25:59.000And there you know, don't ask me, don't ask me, but something like.
00:26:03.000But you don't like Ann Coulter, do you?
00:26:12.000Do not let them, intimidate you, because part of my persona online is belligerence and and i'm not like that personally, but it's just, you need to let these people know that you are unafraid and that you believe in what you believe in and that you'll walk into any arena and and so don't back down, don't give in a little bit.
00:26:41.000And the other thing I would strongly recommend everyone do, if you live in the city, get out, because things are i've seen this before things are going to get bad.
00:26:50.000And the other good thing about getting out of the city is that if you live in rural America, like I do, you gain some perspective that the world is not insane, things are not going crazy.
00:27:01.000It's only happening in these Democrat Run cities, and that perspective is very, very helpful.
00:27:07.000And at least when you turn off the computer and you put down the phone, things are sane, things are calm, things are normal.
00:27:13.000And I think you know I haven't watched cable news in three years.
00:27:16.000I still cover the media, but I haven't watched it in three years because it so weren't my perspective.
00:27:21.000I I wasn't doing a good job, so it doesn't help to hate watch cable news.
00:27:27.000It doesn't help to think you have to be on twitter 24, 7 saving the world.
00:27:45.000He actually passed away about a month before I got officially involved in the political movement when I was a senior in high school, just about eight years ago.
00:27:54.000And so, God bless Andrew Breitbart and Breitbart News and all the great people over there: Alex Marlowe, John Nolte, Matt Boyle, Larry Solov, and all of them over there doing incredible work for our country in a variety of different ways.