The Charlie Kirk Show - An Immigration Moratorium? + Bombshell Info on the Mar-A-Lago Raid

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 It is Amfest Week, and it's Amfest 24 hours, basically.

00:01:16.000 Yeah, we start tomorrow, tomorrow evening.

00:01:18.000 Probably going to do the show here from the studio tomorrow.

00:01:22.000 I think I said that wrong earlier in the week.

00:01:24.000 So it's doing the show here from the studio.

00:01:26.000 Then we'll head on over to the convention center.

00:01:28.000 Friday, we're going to be doing the show live from the convention center.

00:01:32.000 You know, that's going to actually be a really bittersweet moment for me because we've done the Charlie Kirk show live from our events countless times.

00:01:41.000 And the Real America's voice team is going to be, we're going to be at that set.

00:01:46.000 It's going to be good.

00:01:46.000 But without Charlie, it's going to be a really, I think, just a tough moment.

00:01:52.000 And, but, you know, we're going to do it and it's going to be great.

00:01:56.000 And we're grateful to our Real America's voice team for helping with the production there.

00:02:00.000 And then, and the whole media row is just like stacked.

00:02:04.000 Oh.

00:02:04.000 It's, you know, stack, stack, stacked.

00:02:07.000 Everything's stacked.

00:02:07.000 It's going to be all the peoples are going to be there.

00:02:10.000 And I hope the convention center.

00:02:11.000 You know, I'm actually, I'm actually, yeah, well, I'm actually in a point where like, I feel like, you know, we've got to get through this last little push.

00:02:20.000 And it's going to be, I mean, this is like the Super Bowl for turning point.

00:02:24.000 And then I'm really, this year, I'm really looking forward to some downtime during the holidays.

00:02:30.000 I hope.

00:02:31.000 I pray.

00:02:31.000 I hope.

00:02:33.000 You know, I want to just like hang out with my kids.

00:02:35.000 And so, anyways, hopefully we have a really big last finale to the year and then we get to enjoy our family and have some rest.

00:02:45.000 That was the whole purpose.

00:02:46.000 That's why he did AmFest when he did.

00:02:48.000 He wanted that to be the finale of the year.

00:02:50.000 The political year of the grassroots.

00:02:52.000 And looking forward to the next.

00:02:53.000 I mean, we've got Jesse Waters, Greg Gutfeld, we've got Tucker Bannon.

00:02:57.000 We've got Megan Kelly.

00:03:00.000 Who else do we got?

00:03:00.000 We got a lot of people here.

00:03:02.000 We've got Russell Brand.

00:03:04.000 got uh savannah chrisley we've got here there's our there's our speaker lineup Erica Kirk.

00:03:09.000 Oh, can't forget her.

00:03:10.000 Of course.

00:03:11.000 JD Vance is going to be our big finale.

00:03:14.000 I mean, Glenn Beck.

00:03:16.000 How many other people could we go?

00:03:18.000 Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, all the folks.

00:03:21.000 So it's going to be, it's going to be a phenomenal, phenomenal time.

00:03:26.000 And I hope you guys will either check it right, check it out on Real America's Voice or stream it on Rumble if you can't get tickets.

00:03:33.000 And I wish I could just say, hey, you could still get tickets, which is usually the line.

00:03:38.000 But this year is a little different because we maxed out the space that the convention center could give us.

00:03:43.000 So we had to adjust and turn off the ticketing.

00:03:47.000 But if you go to amfest.com and you want to get tickets, you can get a discounted ticket for next year.

00:03:52.000 So that's kind of the workaround, the best we could do this year.

00:03:55.000 So Amfest starting up tomorrow night.

00:03:58.000 You're not going to want to miss it.

00:03:59.000 There's a lot of news here.

00:04:00.000 We're going to have Steve Dace, who's just a great friend, become a good friend.

00:04:05.000 He was a good friend with Charlie before.

00:04:06.000 He's become a good friend of mine.

00:04:08.000 He is going to be joining us for the second half of this hour.

00:04:12.000 And he's in town for Amfest, but he's got a show, so we're going to do it remote.

00:04:16.000 Let's talk about saving the West.

00:04:17.000 Yes.

00:04:18.000 It needs much saving.

00:04:20.000 It needs much saving.

00:04:21.000 I'm just checking now.

00:04:22.000 They're still searching for that Brown University shooter who may have targeted that conservative student.

00:04:30.000 I want to get her name right.

00:04:31.000 Ella Cook.

00:04:32.000 Ella Cook, yes.

00:04:33.000 And they're still looking for him.

00:04:34.000 They have enhanced footage.

00:04:36.000 There's been rumors that it's a specific person.

00:04:38.000 I don't want to name him because the police have not named him.

00:04:40.000 Yeah, it's all over the socials.

00:04:42.000 Yes.

00:04:42.000 And the person has a he-they.

00:04:44.000 Yeah, but we don't know who he is.

00:04:46.000 We don't know, so we shouldn't say more.

00:04:48.000 We're holding back.

00:04:49.000 You know, so, anyways, that's a terrible story.

00:04:51.000 There's a blockade going on in Venezuela.

00:04:55.000 There's a massive story from James Chuck Grassley about the FBI Mar-a-Lago raid.

00:05:02.000 Is that first?

00:05:03.000 That's putting in something that Charlie cared a lot about, and it's that Chuck Grassley, the House team, they've uncovered more documents related to that raid, which, gosh, that was three years ago, wasn't it?

00:05:15.000 Over three years ago.

00:05:17.000 That feels crazy to me.

00:05:18.000 I remember the day that happened, but it was internal documents from the FBI as they're debating whether due to this raid on Mar-a-Lago.

00:05:25.000 To remind everyone, they all went there to find classified materials.

00:05:29.000 They allegedly found them.

00:05:32.000 Whether anything in there was really that important is up for debate.

00:05:36.000 And of course, the president also has the power to declassify things with his mind.

00:05:40.000 So it was quite the bizarre case.

00:05:43.000 And now we just have documents from the White House, from the Washington field office.

00:05:48.000 You got to remember this post image, though, Blake.

00:05:51.000 You remember this where they laid them all out with the top secret cover sheets on them?

00:05:56.000 But turns out they put the cover sheets on.

00:05:59.000 It wasn't like they were filed away.

00:06:02.000 And then we have the image, if you guys weren't sure.

00:06:03.000 It was very silly.

00:06:04.000 But it wasn't like they found those files with the top secret cover sheets on them.

00:06:09.000 Yeah.

00:06:10.000 But yeah, so this is the line.

00:06:11.000 It's from Assistant Special Agent in Charge, and they just write, very little has been developed related to who might be culpable for mishandling documents.

00:06:20.000 From the interviews, Washington Field Office has gathered information suggesting there may be additional boxes.

00:06:26.000 But there is some concern that this information is single source, has not been corroborated, and may be dated.

00:06:33.000 And they basically say there's a lot of doubt that it reaches a probable cause standard.

00:06:40.000 Which is wild.

00:06:42.000 So there was doubt.

00:06:43.000 Let's sum this up.

00:06:44.000 They're considering raiding a president's home, a former president's home of the United States.

00:06:53.000 I'm pretty sure that it hasn't been done before.

00:06:55.000 Yeah.

00:06:55.000 They cross a Rubicon in American political life that we've thus far managed to not emulate the third world on.

00:07:04.000 They do it, even though there is a massive discussion and debate about probable cause.

00:07:09.000 Do they have the probable cause to do so?

00:07:12.000 Absent a witness coming forward with recent information about classified on site.

00:07:15.000 At what point is it fair to table this?

00:07:17.000 It is time-consuming for the team and not productive if there are no new facts supporting probable cause.

00:07:22.000 And then it says, this feels like a sentence weighted with a lot of meaning.

00:07:27.000 DOJ has opined that they do have probable cause, requesting a wide scope, including residence, office, and storage space.

00:07:36.000 Yeah, I mean, this is a, you know, again, Chuck Grassley.

00:07:41.000 He's such a funny tweeter, by the way.

00:07:43.000 The words he's a funny, he's a funny tweeter.

00:07:47.000 Received shocking new docs today from DOJ and FBI showing FBI did not believe it had probable cause to raid President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home, but Biden DOJ pushed for it anyway, based on the records.

00:07:58.000 Mar-a-Lago raid was a miscarriage of justice.

00:08:01.000 Read for yourself.

00:08:03.000 And we have the image of the document that he was delivered.

00:08:08.000 But I mean, this is, I mean, this is shocking stuff.

00:08:11.000 Like, this shows the level of animus that existed within the Biden DOJ for President Trump.

00:08:18.000 The question that I have, where my mind goes, is how coordinated was this?

00:08:23.000 How far does the conspiracy reach?

00:08:25.000 Who is involved in it?

00:08:26.000 Who was advising this?

00:08:28.000 Yeah, well, we say conspiracy, but we have, you know, they all said our own point of view is that the president can order DOJ to investigate something.

00:08:36.000 Yeah.

00:08:37.000 But if his own FBI is saying we don't have probable cause, that's a bombshell.

00:08:42.000 For sure, for sure.

00:08:42.000 That's a bombshell.

00:08:43.000 You guys should all follow Chuck Grassley, by the way, because he's at 999,000 X follows.

00:08:49.000 He needs 900 to get him over the top.

00:08:51.000 Get 900 to get over the top.

00:08:52.000 Yeah, we're going to get that.

00:08:52.000 He's probably like that.

00:08:53.000 815.

00:08:54.000 I just looked.

00:08:55.000 He has 1,000 followers for every year he's been in the Senate.

00:08:59.000 I'm going to follow Chuck Grassley right now.

00:09:01.000 I just did it.

00:09:03.000 We also have this Venezuelan blockade.

00:09:04.000 I want to at least prime the pump here.

00:09:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:08.000 We have a new statement from President Trump on Venezuela.

00:09:11.000 This has been building for weeks.

00:09:13.000 I think we've been at 10 different points where I thought, are we going to invade Venezuela tomorrow?

00:09:17.000 But it keeps ratcheting up.

00:09:19.000 And what the president announced yesterday is he says the largest armada in history, in the history of South America, is surrounding Venezuela now.

00:09:28.000 He says he's designated the Venezuelan government a terrorist organization.

00:09:33.000 And he says they're doing a total blockade on oil tankers going in or out of Venezuela.

00:09:39.000 That is noteworthy because historically, a blockade is conventionally considered an act of war.

00:09:47.000 So it's definitely not as it's not kinetic, like dropping.

00:09:51.000 It's not, it's not.

00:09:52.000 This will get brought up a lot because we, of course, blockaded Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

00:09:56.000 And that was a step.

00:09:57.000 They had to call it a quarantine instead of a blockade so they could say that it wasn't going to do that.

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00:11:07.000 So here we go.

00:11:08.000 So Venezuela, I want to play this Clip of Senator Fetterman because this, the drug boats thing is, it's like it.

00:11:16.000 I can't explain it, but the Democrats think this is like a political winner and I I love that they're picking this because massively popular to take out narco-terrorists that are trying to deliver poison onto our shores. 1.00

00:11:27.000 It is happening.

00:11:28.000 And finally there's a Democrat, Senator Fetterman, who says, listen, the briefing we got yesterday from Rubio and Hegseth was amazing.

00:11:37.000 235 this idea, some things out in the media.

00:11:42.000 It's kind of putting out this that that the military is just picking off you know any boat that comes across.

00:11:48.000 That that's just not true.

00:11:50.000 I mean, there's extensive intelligence and they know exactly who's on that boat and they know what's actually on that boat right now and it's quite frequently they they decline to take it and to move on those things.

00:12:03.000 When they move on those kinetic kinds of strikes, you know they have absolute confidence that who's on it and what's on it and and that's exactly what it's about they're not just going around randomly just shooting, shooting boats and those things.

00:12:17.000 That's just not the fact.

00:12:19.000 You really find yourself wondering how many boats there must there are, because otherwise it seems like they would stop because no one wants to just commit suicide.

00:12:27.000 Yeah, in that same interview he, he did say that the majority of the actions that are being taken are just boat interdictions, where they actually grab them onshore.

00:12:37.000 They, i'm sure, i'm sure they process them, seize the drugs, all that sort of thing.

00:12:41.000 So to your point though, we didn't read the true social yet, did we?

00:12:44.000 We didn't read the whole thing yeah, but it's like somewhat long.

00:12:46.000 It's interesting because he says he he, so this is president Trump's true social 221, throw it up.

00:12:52.000 But he says Venezuela is completely surrounded by the largest armada ever assembled in The history of South America.

00:12:56.000 It will only get bigger and the shock to them will take not uh, will be like nothing they have ever seen before.

00:13:01.000 So he's basically, you're right, he's kind of employing almost like a medieval surround the castle, block the resources going in and out.

00:13:07.000 Until such time as they return to the United States of America, all the oil, land, and other assets that they previously stole from us. 0.94

00:13:15.000 I don't think he means literal territory.

00:13:17.000 I think it's land that U.S. companies own.

00:13:20.000 It was probably like ExxonMobil.

00:13:21.000 Hugo Chavez, he nationalized a lot of things with socialism and all of that.

00:13:25.000 So they owned a lot of oil land that they were able to extract the oil, and that's typically how these things work.

00:13:30.000 And it was nationalized.

00:13:32.000 It was stolen from American companies and they're you, he said he alleges, which I think is provably true. 1.00

00:13:38.000 The Uh Maduro regime is using oil from these stolen oil fields to finance themselves, drug terrorism, human trafficking, murder and kidnapping for the theft of our assets and for many other reasons, including terrorism, drug smuggling, human trafficking yeah, he says.

00:13:51.000 Therefore, I am ordering a total and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers.

00:13:54.000 Okay, so the question is, will this be?

00:13:58.000 I think bombing the drug boats has been a win so far and it'll remain that way.

00:14:02.000 As long as they don't blow up the wrong boat, then it's very bad, but does it remain a win if we end up?

00:14:09.000 How high can this go?

00:14:11.000 I think President Trump seems to believe he could probably topple Venezuela quite easily.

00:14:17.000 And I think it would be easier than Afghanistan or Iraq would be because I don't think you'd have... 0.94

00:14:23.000 it's not this ideological thing where you have this.

00:14:26.000 It's also a Navy, you know, sea fleet, right, that is blocking, and they, you know, Venezuela doesn't have a way to counter us in that way.

00:14:34.000 There's nobody in the country.

00:14:35.000 Well, yeah, but the same thing with those other countries.

00:14:36.000 We still ended up occupying them and having thousands of people.

00:14:39.000 Yeah, I don't think that's where we're going.

00:14:40.000 I think he's going to basically choke the finances of the Maduro regime so that he is incentivized to flee and get out of there so that somebody else can.

00:14:49.000 Yeah, listen, I have to say, as against foreign invasions and foreign abstractions and military operations, you know, we talked about this with Michael Knowles.

00:15:00.000 There is going to be more patience with the base to do this, right?

00:15:05.000 And I'll explain why.

00:15:06.000 First of all, there's been these Venezuelan gangs.

00:15:09.000 You know, Aurora, Colorado story lives in the memory of American citizens.

00:15:13.000 This is one of the reasons President Trump won election.

00:15:17.000 These Venezuelan gangs are being funded, propped up, or at least, you know, tacitly blessed by the Maduro regime to cause chaos in our borders, okay? 0.94

00:15:28.000 And by the mere fact that these drug boats continue setting off for the United States.

00:15:32.000 Do we know that?

00:15:33.000 Do we know that they?

00:15:34.000 I know they say it a lot.

00:15:36.000 What?

00:15:36.000 Which part?

00:15:36.000 Like that they're signing off on gangs doing stuff.

00:15:38.000 I think Venezuela is just a crappy country.

00:15:40.000 And so a lot of Venezuelan gangsters come here. 0.99

00:15:42.000 I think that that's essentially how Maduro keeps control, is what I've read, is that he has sort of these handshake, wink-wink agreements with the street gangs, and they do his bidding and they go where he wants.

00:15:55.000 I feel like the best outcome we could have is they flee or get toppled.

00:15:59.000 We get a, you know, the El Salvador guy.

00:16:03.000 Sure.

00:16:04.000 Bukele. 0.99

00:16:04.000 Bukele, Bukele. 0.99

00:16:05.000 And we get a Bukele-style government. 0.84

00:16:07.000 We send all the Venezuelan illegals back to Venezuela and they immediately send them to some Venezuelan hyper-prison that they build for all of them. 1.00

00:16:14.000 And we can pay them $5 billion here to go.

00:16:17.000 His number one export is going to is going to be like prison systems.

00:16:20.000 Like, it's great.

00:16:22.000 If you look at the polls, everyone who neighbors Venezuela, they're like, they say, we want that.

00:16:26.000 I want that in my country.

00:16:27.000 And it'll be great.

00:16:28.000 If you got rid of probably in the United States, 400,000 criminals off the streets right now, we'd have like zero crime.

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00:17:40.000 Without further ado, I'm very excited about our next guest who I'm also going to be seeing this weekend.

00:17:44.000 That's what we're trying to do here: get people that are going to be a part of our big weekend.

00:17:47.000 That's, of course, Steve Dace, host of the Steve Dace Show.

00:17:51.000 Steve, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:17:53.000 Good to see you guys.

00:17:54.000 God bless.

00:17:54.000 Merry Christmas.

00:17:55.000 Yeah, Merry Christmas.

00:17:56.000 Excited to see you.

00:17:58.000 Lots going on this weekend.

00:17:59.000 It's going to be jam-packed.

00:18:01.000 You're going to be speaking to the crowd.

00:18:02.000 Do you want to give us a little teaser of what you're thinking about talking about?

00:18:08.000 The number one thing I hope that we get out of this weekend is I've just never experienced the kind of unity And seeds of revival, like we had at Charlie's Memorial and the immediate thereafter.

00:18:24.000 And I am just hoping and praying in advance of this event that what this does is recaptures that going into the holidays.

00:18:33.000 And then we come out of the new year with that kind of focus and drive and purpose and shared missiology and momentum again.

00:18:40.000 And so everything, I mean, you guys are keeping me busy this week.

00:18:44.000 So everything that I'm going to be a part of here at the convention center in Phoenix is going to be about reinforcing that message, which is kind of weird for me.

00:18:53.000 I mean, for much of my career, I've kind of been the disruptor insurgent guy.

00:18:57.000 But, you know, Charlie convinced me in the last year plus that if we don't convince, we don't keep this coalition together, we're doomed.

00:19:05.000 And so now as I get older, I am into my 50s now.

00:19:07.000 I kind of feel like I'm grandpa now and I'm trying to get everybody to stay on the same team for the first time in my career.

00:19:12.000 So I'm going to be harping on that a lot this week.

00:19:14.000 Well, it kind of reminds me of that Elon Musk quote.

00:19:18.000 And I think it was right around the memorial where he says, we must hang together or we shall surely hang separately.

00:19:23.000 Yeah.

00:19:24.000 And there really is, you know, I've been thinking a lot about this, Steve, and this isn't where we were planning to go with it, but I think it kind of all ties in with what we were planning on talking about on the show today.

00:19:36.000 You know, there is a time for bringing coalitions together.

00:19:41.000 Usually that's election years, right?

00:19:43.000 Obviously, you have to seed the ground before that happens, and you have to do the work before.

00:19:48.000 But there can be a time where you've got to sort of, there is a sifting.

00:19:54.000 There can be a sifting that happens.

00:19:56.000 And it's truly a difficult question when that time is, you know, who makes the call, who has the leadership to sort of lead the pruning and the, you know, because you've got to prune every garden.

00:20:09.000 You've got to prune every tree if it's going to grow healthy.

00:20:12.000 And there is a point where that can be.

00:20:14.000 What do you make of this?

00:20:15.000 I mean, the most famous example is the Buckley and the Birch Society, right?

00:20:20.000 In the 60s or 70s?

00:20:22.000 John Birch Society?

00:20:24.000 50s, 60s.

00:20:25.000 50s 60s?

00:20:26.000 All right.

00:20:26.000 I mean, so that's the most famous example.

00:20:27.000 But what do you make of that as a larger question?

00:20:30.000 I'm sure you guys have seen this meme that has gone around the last few months.

00:20:34.000 And I have it here on my computer.

00:20:35.000 I look at it like daily and I think about it a lot.

00:20:38.000 And it's this meme where there's a giant dam and it's labeled Charlie Kirk.

00:20:42.000 And it's holding back this huge body of water, essentially craziness.

00:20:49.000 And the dam is between this crazy body of water and then how we can actually unite and win.

00:20:55.000 And I think about that a lot.

00:20:57.000 And I think people are just now seeing posthumously how much Charlie was respected in that role and precisely was thrust in that role because he did not seek it.

00:21:10.000 I mean, that's the kind of respect you can't appoint yourself an apostle.

00:21:14.000 You can't appoint yourself a bishop.

00:21:16.000 You cannot appoint yourself a leader.

00:21:18.000 And most of the people that try to do that, you know, back in the day when I was younger, we used to say, you can't gloss yourself, right?

00:21:24.000 And so the guys that typically try to do that are anything but about that life.

00:21:28.000 And typically that stuff is bestowed upon you organically by your peers.

00:21:32.000 And I just think there was a unique combination both of reverence for Charlie, respect for Charlie and his intellect, fear of Charlie's intellect and his platform, and then the fact that Juste was a good, decent human being at the same time that uniquely put him into that position.

00:21:51.000 And I think what you're seeing now is there's various elements, these various factions within our movement now, libertarians, America firster.

00:22:00.000 No, we're really America firsters, maybe America onlyers.

00:22:03.000 You know, maybe we need to have a reconsideration of our relationship with Israel.

00:22:08.000 Maybe we can have a partnership with the Islamic world.

00:22:10.000 Maybe we need to completely divorce ourselves from the Islamic world. 1.00

00:22:13.000 The leaders of these various factions now are kind of coming to a head with their platforms to fill this void.

00:22:19.000 And that has created a lot of the dissension and argumentation that you're seeing right now.

00:22:23.000 And I think what we actually really need is a real debate.

00:22:27.000 I think we need to have a real argument and in constructive ways so that people can legitimately feel as if their voices are heard.

00:22:35.000 I said in the aftermath of the interview that Tucker did with Fuentes that a lot of people got worked up about.

00:22:41.000 And I said this on my show.

00:22:42.000 I said, listen, trying to mainstream Nick Fuentes will destroy our coalition on one end.

00:22:47.000 Trying to cancel Tucker because he brings up topics you don't like and in ways that all the time, frankly, I don't even agree with will destroy it in the other end.

00:22:54.000 All right.

00:22:54.000 So there's no win here by trying to cancel either side of this various conversation.

00:23:00.000 What we really need to have are substantive debates.

00:23:03.000 And I would urge the leaders of these various factions that want to have their views reconsidered now with this void left by Charlie's murder, then I would urge them, and I would, one, try to be responsible, try to understand the collateral damage when you bring something up and disagree, and be willing to have and let the leaders of the other side and the other factions question you.

00:23:24.000 Go on one another's shows, go on one another's platforms.

00:23:28.000 You know, I know there's going to be lots of breakouts and stuff here this week at America Fest.

00:23:32.000 You know, this is really a time now that we need to come now and reason together, as the Bible says.

00:23:37.000 And that's the prophet Isaiah.

00:23:38.000 Yeah, I'm 1,000% with you.

00:23:41.000 I was on Ross Douthett's podcast and it released last week, and it was a great experience, actually.

00:23:47.000 And the reason I did it was because we had originally booked Charlie to be on Ross's show in October.

00:23:54.000 And, you know, lo and behold, he invited me to come out in December.

00:23:58.000 So I was honored to take the invitation and to do it.

00:24:01.000 And one of the things we talked about was this very thing.

00:24:03.000 And I'm a proponent of let's have the debate.

00:24:05.000 Let's have the debate.

00:24:07.000 The key is, is that in the online community, it turns into this kind of feud culture, which is not productive.

00:24:15.000 And that's exactly what Charlie tried to avoid.

00:24:17.000 We've been trying to avoid it.

00:24:20.000 And I think, you know, if you can stay out of the personal mudslinging and you get into the debate, the actual merits of the ideas, that's the sweet spot.

00:24:29.000 You should not be afraid of that.

00:24:31.000 The feud culture, the mudslinging, the personal animus, that stuff can be really, really distracting.

00:24:36.000 And by the way, it's really seductive as well.

00:24:40.000 The feud slinging and also just what they choose to focus on, you know, since you mentioned Fuentes and others, but that one of Charlie's best things is he really was almost entirely focused on very practical politics.

00:24:56.000 So he was always talking about the next race, not even the big elections, but those off-year elections.

00:25:01.000 He would have been really hammering the Virginia and New Jersey races.

00:25:06.000 And that's why we tried to do the same.

00:25:07.000 Or even Wisconsin Supreme Court election, Tennessee by-election.

00:25:11.000 He'd get whipped up for these things, and he'd fixate on what could Congress be doing right now?

00:25:16.000 What could the president be doing right now that will have an impact on the border, on your individual life?

00:25:23.000 And when he wasn't talking about politics, he was talking about that individual life stuff.

00:25:27.000 You should be going to church.

00:25:28.000 You should be, you know, observe the Sabbath if you can.

00:25:31.000 Do those things.

00:25:33.000 And I do worry that a lot of what's happened with the weirder stuff that's come into the right, you know, arguing over, I mean, let's be frank.

00:25:40.000 A lot of the stuff, the debate about Israel, for a lot of them, they really actually just want to hate on Jewish people.

00:25:46.000 And besides the fact that I consider that generally morally wrong, it's also a huge distraction from everything.

00:25:55.000 And it occurred to me that there was this big cancel battle going on in late October of this year, right before important elections.

00:26:03.000 And there were a lot of people who weren't talking about that.

00:26:05.000 They were talking about whether it was okay to attack world Jewry or not.

00:26:09.000 Yeah.

00:26:10.000 Well, and you know, Steve, and I'll throw this to you.

00:26:13.000 Charlie always had this guiding North Star, I think, that kept him very clear-minded about what was important, what wasn't, and that was save the West.

00:26:21.000 Save America, save the West.

00:26:23.000 And you postulate that there's really only two ways we do that.

00:26:26.000 What are those, Steve?

00:26:28.000 I think one comes from above, Providence, and that's mass revival.

00:26:32.000 When you see that 2% of France, less than 2% is evangelical, you see many of the old Catholic cathedrals now are mosques or strip malls or just barren buildings throughout much of Western Europe.

00:26:42.000 We're beyond just rezoning laws and many practical political solutions to that level of spiritual degradation.

00:26:51.000 So we need mass great awakening-level revival.

00:26:54.000 It's not a coincidence that we had great awakenings before we had, you know, we had liberty in America.

00:27:00.000 We had pastors like John Winthrop and Jonathan Edwards and others.

00:27:03.000 So what can we do in the practicum?

00:27:05.000 Because that comes from above.

00:27:07.000 And in the practicum, I think we're doomed without a flat-out, all-out immigration moratorium. 0.96

00:27:12.000 And I might even extend it.

00:27:14.000 Hold on.

00:27:14.000 Yeah, say it again so they can hear you in the back, Steve.

00:27:18.000 Yeah, I think we might be doomed without an all-out immigration moratorium at least five years.

00:27:22.000 I'd say a decade.

00:27:24.000 Something along the lines of my good friend Congressman Chip Roy is proposing right now with the PAWS Act.

00:27:29.000 But I'd make it even more draconian.

00:27:31.000 And I hate saying this, guys.

00:27:32.000 I mean, I put the fun in fundamentalism.

00:27:34.000 You know it.

00:27:35.000 I like thumping my Bible, man.

00:27:36.000 I love it.

00:27:37.000 Okay.

00:27:37.000 But I'm not even sure how many Christian asylum cases we can take because a lot of them are going to come from countries that are dominated by Islam.

00:27:45.000 So how do we know?

00:27:46.000 How do we vet?

00:27:47.000 How do we know?

00:27:47.000 Because our current, whatever the vetting system was around here for the last 20 plus years, sucked.

00:27:53.000 All right.

00:27:53.000 Since 9-11, we've taken in over 3 million people from Islamic-dominated countries.

00:27:58.000 That is absolute cultural suicide. 0.76

00:28:01.000 And I think we've got to stop it.

00:28:03.000 Yeah, and Steve, how many kids did they have?

00:28:06.000 So we took in 3 million, but are they having 4.7 children each, each couple there?

00:28:13.000 So is that really closer to 15 million now?

00:28:17.000 And you see what happened in Bondi Beach.

00:28:19.000 I mean, the West is sleepwalking into cultural suicide.

00:28:25.000 And there's many of us that are clapping our hands, waving, jumping up and down, saying, please wake up.

00:28:31.000 Charlie was big on this.

00:28:33.000 And there seems to be a faction within our own ranks that is, I don't know, cozying up to this idea that we can be friends with Islamists that move into our own country. 0.85

00:28:47.000 There are 50 Muslim-majority countries in the world.

00:28:51.000 There's lots of options.

00:28:52.000 You don't need to have a move to the West.

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00:30:05.000 But yeah, this is my question when the West is insistent upon importing third worlders. 1.00

00:30:11.000 By the way, Trump just expanded his travel restrictions, an additional 20 countries, and the Palestinian Authority, doubling the number of nations affected by sweeping limits announced earlier.

00:30:23.000 Absolute travel ban.

00:30:24.000 That's a very, I mean, this is, you know, I'm totally okay with it.

00:30:29.000 I think, to your point, Draconian, he's getting more serious about it.

00:30:33.000 And by the way, when I talk to any of my friends that are connected to the administration, I just say, that is a popular policy.

00:30:40.000 Please know we got your back.

00:30:42.000 If there's one thing that is uniting right-wing political online culture with political culture, it's immigration.

00:30:50.000 So that's a good thing.

00:30:51.000 100%.

00:30:52.000 I mean, look at the Prime Minister of Australia, not our hemisphere, but obviously it's a country that's founding is mired in Western values and philosophies.

00:31:01.000 Right after what happened there, his immediate call was for more common sense gun control.

00:31:06.000 And no one can rise above their own worldview.

00:31:08.000 Worldview is destiny, or as the Bible says, as a man thinketh, so is he.

00:31:12.000 Right?

00:31:13.000 And so if your worldview in response, you should be tempted to go so far the other way that we do have to say, hey, slow down.

00:31:19.000 Let's not just go ahead and mass, you know, collectively guilt people because of what happened here.

00:31:24.000 Instead, the temptation is to double down on the very policies that lead to more and more of these tragedies.

00:31:30.000 And when you're dealing with something like that, that to me is, again, immigration moratorium.

00:31:34.000 We clearly cannot think this through right now.

00:31:37.000 We need a full stop right now.

00:31:39.000 And, Steve, the only way you get that is with a filibuster.

00:31:43.000 But even if you did a filibuster, if you nuke the filibuster, who knows?

00:31:46.000 All right.

00:31:46.000 So, Steve, if you're calling for an immigration moratorium, I am totally on board.

00:31:53.000 I would do it for at least a decade, but I'll take what I can get.

00:31:57.000 The question then becomes, how do you achieve that political end, right?

00:32:02.000 You're seeing today that four Republicans have broke in the House for Obamacare subsidies.

00:32:08.000 That is a very clear indication that we do not have control of the people.

00:32:13.000 Yeah, we have a bunch of Democrat lights in the House and probably in the Senate. 0.81

00:32:17.000 You think Susan Collins, you think Lisa Murkowski, you think Rand Paul, you think who else?

00:32:23.000 You got Mitch McConnell still in there.

00:32:26.000 Even if we nuke the filibuster, you'd have to presume two things.

00:32:29.000 One, that we have enough votes to do so.

00:32:31.000 And secondly, that once we do so, we'd have enough political will to accomplish the truly important critical pieces that will save America.

00:32:39.000 And I don't think we have either.

00:32:40.000 That's exactly why we need to try to do it, though, so our people can see.

00:32:44.000 Remember, the Dred Scott case is considered to be one of the key components that led to the end of slavery in America.

00:32:49.000 We lost that case.

00:32:51.000 But people got to see the U.S. Supreme Court look at a black man and say, that's not a person, it's property.

00:32:56.000 And that clarifying, that clarifier ignited the abolitionist movement in the next era to do what must be done to win.

00:33:04.000 And so I think we need to try these things, even if they fail, to spur on our people so that what comes after Trump then is even more zealous for the kinds of things we're talking about now that they fully know who and what it truly is that we are aligned with.

00:33:18.000 Interesting.

00:33:19.000 You might have just convinced me.

00:33:20.000 I've been really wavering on this.

00:33:22.000 I think, Blake, Blake, you're probably a little bit on the other side of that argument.

00:33:27.000 And I've just been, admittedly, I've been in the mushy middle because I could see it going, like, I'm gaming it out, how we could do this.

00:33:33.000 And I don't.

00:33:35.000 But you might have convinced me.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, it's just tough.

00:33:39.000 It's tough.

00:33:40.000 We don't have the soldiers in the field right now.

00:33:43.000 There's a line in science that science progresses one funeral at a time.

00:33:47.000 And I feel like Republican courage progresses one retirement at a time.

00:33:50.000 Yeah, we just had another retirement announced in Washington State.

00:33:54.000 Okay, so we want to get immigration done.

00:33:57.000 We would all go in favor of an immigration moratorium. 1.00

00:34:00.000 How many votes?

00:34:01.000 So let's set the filibuster, nuking the filibuster aside.

00:34:04.000 Let's assume that we can do that.

00:34:06.000 Let's assume we get 50 plus one.

00:34:08.000 What happens next?

00:34:09.000 How many U.S. senators would vote for an immigration moratorium right now as it stands?

00:34:17.000 I don't think there's any chance it would pass.

00:34:19.000 But I think our people need to see this.

00:34:22.000 Do you think we get 10?

00:34:25.000 I bet you get 20 or 25 because now their votes on the record.

00:34:30.000 And you have to understand the way the Republican Party establishment works is an incumbency protection racket, right?

00:34:36.000 So they don't want a lot of these things to even come up for a vote because they don't want the base to know just truly how weak a lot of the people they're voting for really are.

00:34:44.000 And so this kind of clarifier, you're going to get the people that were never with us, they're going to get more emboldened to be so.

00:34:50.000 Then you're going to get some squishy people who don't want to be known that they're on the wrong side of history here that would like to keep collecting those pension points there in Washington, D.C.

00:34:58.000 So I would guess we'd probably get half the Republican senators to vote for it.

00:35:02.000 It's even more treacherous than that, Steve, because think of what happened with Obamacare, for example, where the Republicans would endlessly hold those symbolic votes to repeal and replace Obamacare because they knew it was not going to pass.

00:35:14.000 So what would you have in our Senate?

00:35:16.000 How many of them would vote for the full immigration moratorium as long as they had ironclad confidence it was not actually going to pass?

00:35:24.000 And then if it seemed, oh, we have 58 Republican senators, we could conceivably pass it.

00:35:28.000 Suddenly everyone gets shaky.

00:35:31.000 There's problems with it.

00:35:32.000 You have the ghost of John McCain possess somebody and say, oh, I'm actually going to vote with the Dems on this one.

00:35:39.000 So, well, and here's the thing.

00:35:41.000 You could do a net zero immigration moratorium, right? 1.00

00:35:44.000 So the estimates are around 200,000 to 300,000 people, U.S. citizens and immigrants, foreign-born residents, leave the United States every year, 200,000 to 300,000.

00:35:54.000 So it's not like you're not allowing some movement of humanity, right?

00:35:58.000 You can bring in a new H-1B if you sponsor, if you get somebody else to leave.

00:36:04.000 And you have to pay $150,000.

00:36:06.000 I'm just picturing like a tech company, maybe Microsoft or something, and they find refugees and they just say, we'll pay you $50,000 to leave.

00:36:14.000 We'll resettle you in this colony in a cheap country like Panama or something. 1.00

00:36:18.000 Have a nice little microphone.

00:36:20.000 They're dumping people there so they can bring in tech workers.

00:36:24.000 Trump can't stand up on a Joker right now.

00:36:27.000 He can stand up like the Joker, break the Q-stick in half and say, we're going to have tryouts.

00:36:31.000 All right.

00:36:31.000 And so you've got to get somebody to leave before you can come in.

00:36:35.000 And we'll do it in an octagon.

00:36:36.000 It's going to be peaceful at the White House.

00:36:40.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, but I actually think some of these ideas, so a lot of people look, okay, okay.

00:36:45.000 Trump gold card, right?

00:36:46.000 The Trump card or whatever, $5 million.

00:36:49.000 People, you know, I posted something on X and people were like, something about how a piece of paper doesn't make you an American.

00:36:57.000 And they're like, yeah, we agree.

00:36:58.000 What about the Trump card?

00:36:59.000 It's like, okay, we have to have some pragmatism in here.

00:37:03.000 We have to look at, you know, for example, I'm against H-1Bs, but I'm pro genius visas. 1.00

00:37:08.000 So why can't we have more geniuses moving on?

00:37:10.000 Well, at this point, I often just look at what China does because they're just a country that doesn't hate themselves, even if they're ideologically very different.

00:37:17.000 And China has immigrants. 0.55

00:37:18.000 They just have very few.

00:37:19.000 They find a world-class expert in something and they say, come here, we'll pay you $1 million a year, $2 million a year, and you have to teach these native Chinese everything you know. 0.95

00:37:29.000 Yeah.

00:37:30.000 Imagine that.

00:37:32.000 If you look at the H-1B program, guys, right now, there's about as many H-1B visas in America as there are college-educated people in the unemployment rhyme.

00:37:41.000 And so we keep being told that Americans cannot do these jobs.

00:37:44.000 So let me repeat that.

00:37:45.000 There's about as many college-degreed people in the unemployment line in America right now as we have H-1B visas.

00:37:51.000 I mean, if we're graduating from college and you cannot even do baseline H-1B visa work, then I think we should seriously consider why we even have colleges and universities in the first place.

00:38:02.000 Other than learning how to become a gay race communist, what are they doing there? 1.00

00:38:07.000 Well, you know, it kind of, I hate to, I mean, that's a funny line, and I want to enjoy the moment.

00:38:12.000 But for some reason, it made me think of poor Ella Cook at Brown University. 0.96

00:38:19.000 You know, the radical environment that she was living around.

00:38:23.000 And we're waiting on confirmation that she was indeed targeted.

00:38:27.000 But I'm going to be honest, like, it's hitting me like, you know, the story didn't hit me as hard at first.

00:38:35.000 It felt sad and sympathy, and I said a prayer for her and her family.

00:38:39.000 But as the days go on and I sit with this, it's hitting me hard.

00:38:43.000 I'm like, I'm having, you know, it's hitting closer to home because I think what happened to Charlie and it just is breaking my heart.

00:38:49.000 And, you know, these universities, they had a lot of federal funding.

00:38:53.000 They get a lot of prop, they propped up, and they're, you know, you're indoctrinating your children.

00:38:58.000 You're playing Russian roulette with their values. 0.53

00:39:00.000 Steve Dace, we are going to see you this weekend, my friend.

00:39:03.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:39:04.000 That was a really fun conversation.

00:39:05.000 So we appreciate you making the time.

00:39:09.000 We'll see you tomorrow, probably.

00:39:11.000 You bet.

00:39:11.000 God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 17, 2025

An Immigration Moratorium? + Bombshell Info on the Mar-A-Lago Raid

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