On this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie and producer Andrew Colvett and producer Blake Neff are joined by Rich Barris, the People's Pundit, to discuss the President's Third World immigration ban.
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00:01:09.000I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this show, and Blake Neff, one of the producers here.
00:01:14.000And also, excited about this guest, Rich Barris, the people's pundit, big data poll.
00:01:39.000And two, this will be extraordinarily popular.
00:01:43.000And of course, I'm referring to the third world immigration moratorium that President Trump announced on Wednesday night, Thursday morning, depending on what time zone you're in.
00:01:58.000You said, Andrew's going to be proven right.
00:02:00.000And you immediately launched some polling on this, which I think is super fascinating.
00:02:05.000I don't know where you're at in the process, Rich, if you're done or if it's still ongoing, but I would love to hear what your results are showing.
00:02:23.000You know, I had an idea of what it would show, Andrew, because, you know, you talk to enough voters, you know what they want after a while.
00:02:31.000But we went in the field and this thing has not pulled below a majority for the three days we've been in the field.
00:02:38.000Among likely voters, it's actually higher, just to show people.
00:02:41.000Yeah, I was just going to tell them this is where we're at with it right now.
00:02:44.000I mean, you're looking at about a third who opposes it combined.
00:03:52.000I mean, you have a way bigger core of support for this pop this policy that supports it versus those who oppose it.
00:04:00.000That to me is a telltale sign that this is going to be massively, massively energizing for the base, which I bring up, Rich, because you and I, last time you were on, we talked about how there was too much focus on foreign policy, there was too much focus on things that were abroad and abstract.
00:04:17.000People wanted to focus on domestic, and it was like in one fell swoop, in one tweet, it was like the grab bag of goodie bags for the MAGA movement.
00:04:27.000And it's like instantly, President Trump is a hero again on X and all the other social platforms with the base.
00:04:33.000Month can do wonders in politics, can it?
00:06:04.000And they've been trailing badly by double digits for a long time.
00:06:08.000So we'll say, you know, how likely are you to vote in the 26 midterms?
00:06:12.000And now, how enthusiastic are you for everything from extremely, very, moderately, slightly, not at all, right?
00:06:18.000And on that extremely number, that's the only thing we ever care about because even when people say they're very enthusiastic, if you're not picking extremely, you're not enthusiastic, right?
00:06:30.000I mean, just it's just, and by the way, on that 10%, what are you unsure about?
00:06:34.000They're unsure whether they want to tell the pollster the truth or not.
00:06:37.000That's what they're unsure, but they're not really unsure, most of those people.
00:06:40.000They just don't want to go on record saying, yeah, I want to cut off immigration from third world countries, right?
00:06:46.000I mean, it's just, that's what it comes down to.
00:06:48.000People are still, you know, uncomfortable with some of these talking to people, perfect strangers, pollsters, about their opinions on some of these issues.
00:06:56.000They want to look like they're generous.
00:06:59.000They want to look like they're decent.
00:07:00.000But when you get when you're in private with them and they have anonymity, then I'm telling you, they have a totally different point of view.
00:07:09.000They just don't want to tell the pollster that it really is interesting.
00:07:12.000I love to think of politics almost as like a battle in the military where you have to occupy good terrain and you want to be on defense versus offense.
00:07:21.000And it occurs to me on the immigration issue, how much you can totally reframe it in your favor with basically the exact same policies if you're making it so the big debate that they're attacking you over is, oh, he's keeping out people from the third world versus, oh, here's these videos of him.
00:07:41.000And you can be doing the exact same things, but if you make it so the contested ground is, I don't want to let in welfare charges from the third world, I suspect the Democrats won't be able to help themselves from attacking him over it.
00:07:54.000And yet it's as Rich says, it's going to be a big winner.
00:08:10.000President Trump truthed social tweet from me and then a tweet from Jack Pasovic saying Trump's moratorium on third world migration will be his most popular policy to date.
00:08:22.000And he truthed that, which I was very honored by.
00:08:25.000And I think it's important we get the message out that we can play offense on this issue.
00:08:29.000Not only is it the best thing for the country, not only is it wildly popular with the base, but it will increase your enthusiasm numbers.
00:08:41.000I'm so thrilled to see that A, the prediction was right, but B, that our enthusiasm numbers are going through the roof again because this is what people voted for in November.
00:08:51.000They wanted to see this constant, you know, we call it the one switch that fixes all that ails you, right, in our country.
00:08:58.000So many issues from cultural cohesion, the division, the welfare charges, fraud, the cultural displacement that most people just feel in their communities now.
00:09:10.000They don't feel like they're living around their neighbors or people that they trust or know or relate to anymore.
00:09:14.000And this has all happened within basically 20 years.
00:09:17.000And the demographic and the birth rates of native-born versus foreign-born citizens, it's not looking good either.
00:09:24.000So this is going to have an echo boom after the fact.
00:09:27.000And so I just, Rich, where else do you want to see the president go on this?
00:09:31.000What needs to happen next to lock in these gains?
00:09:34.000Yeah, I think this message, I think you can drive support for this higher, Andrew.
00:09:52.000Because in truth, Americans do see immigration out of control, a completely broken immigration system as the root of a lot of our problems, right?
00:10:05.000So you just said, this is what I voted for.
00:10:07.000And we don't just interview people, you know, telling them to take the questionnaire and we just want, you know, your numbers and we're done with you.
00:10:15.000If they are willing to, we want to speak to them and have them elaborate on why they, you know, they feel the way they do right now.
00:10:22.000And you just echoed a ton of people that said just that.
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00:11:34.000We have Rich Barris, the People's Pundit, Big Data Poll.
00:11:38.000Rich, you said another, I guess, poll that you're conducting that is pretty discouraging, but it's exactly what Charlie had predicted: that we are at a fork in the road.
00:11:50.000Culturally, politically, where on the one side we have Mangionism, we have Mamdaniism, on the other side, we have MAGA.
00:11:58.000One is national, populist, conservative, renewal, revitalization of the nation state.
00:12:41.000We've been asking just the same way that we ask Republicans: do you identify as America first or do you identify with traditional Republicanism?
00:12:48.000We also ask Democrats whether or not they identify as a traditional liberal, Democratic socialist, or socialist.
00:12:55.000And we have got to drop the pretense that the Democratic Party still believes in things like traditional liberalism.
00:14:08.000And you did see Republicans, you know, what did they do?
00:14:11.000They passed a bill censuring socialism or something like that.
00:14:14.000I mean, we have to have just a more, I think we need to have a more open conversation because we're going to end up with either right-wing populism in the form of MAGA, or we're going to end up with what is always sold as a left-wing populism, but it's not.
00:15:41.000Argentina before Malay, that was a good example where they just had a lot of very backwards policies that it was very difficult for them to break out of.
00:15:49.000And they made themselves a poor country.
00:15:51.000And this happens in a lot of Latin American countries.
00:16:38.000And I actually just sent it to you, but let me read it right off the screen because we do ask whether or not you're first generation, second generation, third generation, or you are foreign-born.
00:16:48.000Among those who are second and third generation, those numbers are much lower.
00:16:52.000Among those who are not U.S. born, they're foreign-born, which I just sent to you, it's much higher.
00:16:58.000So Democratic, well, not much, but it's higher.
00:17:00.000Democratic socialism identification rises to 60% among those who are foreign born.
00:17:07.000And socialism, straight up socialism, rises to 12%.
00:17:22.000And the reason we ask that, we don't always throw this in all of our polling.
00:17:26.000We will from now on because we're, I don't, we, we did for years.
00:17:30.000I don't, I honestly don't know why we stopped.
00:17:32.000But when we poll something about immigration specifically, we'll make sure it's in there.
00:17:36.000So we were very lucky to have this in there and be able to answer that question.
00:17:40.000So Rich, you're basically saying we're importing a bunch of people that want to take from productive members of society, tax them into oblivion, wider, richer neighborhoods, if you will, to quote Mamdani's political platform.
00:17:53.000And they basically want to destroy the growth prospects of the United States.
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00:20:17.000Heather McDonald joins us, the great Heather McDonald.
00:20:22.000She is one of the, I think, the absolute experts on what would be like on merit-based culture, on incarceration rates, on crime statistics.
00:20:35.000And she's a contributing editor of the City Journal and author of When Race Trumps Marriage.
00:20:39.000Heather McDonald, welcome back to the show.
00:20:41.000Thank you so much, Andrew, and thank you for carrying on the Turning Point USA Legacy with such bravado and insights.
00:21:20.000I'll never forget, actually, this is a fun story.
00:21:23.000When everything happened with the BLM riots, Charlie, you know, we were sort of locked down still with COVID, and Charlie was like, We're going five days a week.
00:21:30.000So that was actually when the show first went to five days a week, was right after the COVID lockdowns.
00:21:35.000And you came on the show in those first few weeks and just dropped a ton of science on everybody about crime stats and how they were, you know, basically corrupt.
00:21:48.000And we wrote them all down and we just started repeating them and repeating them and repeating them.
00:21:53.000And it became a major theme of the show in those early days.
00:21:56.000So thank you for your contribution then, Heather.
00:21:58.000So, Heather, I sent you two questions over the holiday weekend, and you wrote back very graciously pretty quickly.
00:22:06.000And this came off the back of this story in Chicago.
00:22:10.000The first question was, you know, do we have an under-incarceration problem?
00:22:14.000And I was, of course, inspired by Lawrence Reed, who set a woman on fire.
00:22:19.000And then we find out there were 40 prior arrests, or maybe even 72.
00:22:22.000I'm seeing conflicting reporting there on just how many times this gentleman had been arrested.
00:22:27.000And of course, there was the Irina Zarutska story out of Charlotte, who was stabbed to death actually just before Charlie was assassinated.
00:22:50.000The criminal justice system, as set up by our elites, values the freedom of criminals and deranged people over the safety of the law-abiding and the hardworking.
00:23:02.000Every one of these abominations was wholly predictable.
00:23:07.000These deranged maniacs who have taken the lives or nearly destroyed the lives of this poor woman who was chased around a subway with gasoline on her until the maniac was able to light her on fire.
00:23:21.000They all have long criminal histories.
00:23:25.000The quality of their criminal history suggests people that are absolutely in the realm of psychosis, schizophrenia.
00:23:36.000They were predictable, and yet they're back on the streets.
00:23:41.000Because the overall theme in our criminal justice system for decades now, Andrew, has been we would rather not incarcerate the people who should be in prison than incarcerate criminals in a fair, law-abiding, constitutional manner, if doing so would have a disparate impact on black criminals.
00:24:02.000And as a result, we are way under-incarcerating.
00:24:32.000These deranged, lunatic, drug addicts, predominantly black, who are walking the streets, muttering, gesticulating, on the subways, threatening people.
00:24:43.000It is a certainty that in the next week or two, somebody will be pushed or stabbed by one of these.
00:24:49.000And our politicians do everything but focusing on this.
00:24:56.000And, you know, we talked to the other, at the end of last week, just the sort of not just the cost of direct crime, but the cost on people, just the sense of disorder in our lives.
00:25:07.000I'm sure you've seen this where, for example, because we're so afraid to actually place these people, basic things, you see people jump turnstiles all the time in a lot of cities because they decide to not enforce that.
00:25:20.000The classic one that people will complain about all the time online is people who loudly play music or do other overtly performatively disruptive things on public transportation.
00:25:32.000But it's bigger than that, too, because we've talked about on this show, Heather.
00:25:36.000It was another insight from Blake, that crime has an impact on housing.
00:25:40.000How affordability because there's fewer and fewer neighborhoods that are acceptable to live in for families.
00:25:46.000And then they have to break the bank just to get into a neighborhood with a good school or that's not crime riddled or that they have to worry about walking with a stroller on the sidewalk.
00:25:54.000Or how many people just choose not to take a job where they might be the most qualified person or where it might be where they're most productive because, oh, that job is in a dangerous part of the city or it's in a city I just don't want to live because it's so unpleasant.
00:26:07.000There's so much friction in American life.
00:26:09.000And it all is downstream of we just refuse to let our cities be safe, orderly, clean, and pleasant.
00:26:35.000But if we do, the problem is that stores move out because they can't handle the shoplifting.
00:26:40.000There was a Target that moved into East Harlem, a great fanfare around 2015, I think, had exquisitely multicultural offerings, and it couldn't handle the retail theft.
00:26:51.000And so it left, you know, and that happens again.
00:27:14.000We certainly need more mental institutions.
00:27:17.000So it's not just a question of locking up the sort of pure criminal.
00:27:21.000It's also a question of locking up the deranged.
00:27:24.000If you combine mental illness and drug addiction, you have a very, very high rate of violence.
00:27:30.000Again, any politician who changes the subject after the burning of the Chicago woman, after the stabbing of Irina Zarutska, is complicit in murder.
00:27:44.000So this is something else that I, because I was tweeting about this and I was seeing people's reaction.
00:27:50.000And one of the things that kept coming up repeatedly is that we actually have a capacity issue.
00:27:55.000And it struck me, Heather, that there has been a, I would say, a propaganda war waged against the prison system, right?
00:28:04.000Now, some of it might have, there might be valid critiques embedded somewhere in there, right?
00:28:08.000There might be grains of truth in this.
00:28:10.000But the prison system, all I ever see on Netflix is like, you know, look at this terrible prison, how they treat people and all this.
00:28:17.000Meanwhile, they got cell phones and they got like, you know, they're smoking cigarettes and all this stuff's going on.
00:29:29.000The criminals are created by decades of poor parenting, the failure of socialization.
00:29:36.000And after they're arrested for their sixth robbery or assault, they don't suddenly stop offending.
00:29:44.000The thing that works is prisoner menopause.
00:29:46.000People age out of crime, but that's about the best thing we can do.
00:29:51.000So getting incapacitation is an absolute known virtue and success of the prison system.
00:30:00.000If we don't know how to keep people from reoffending in the community, my view is you don't get two bites of the apple, three bites of the apple.
00:30:34.000Their role is to protect people who respect the rights and lives of others so they can go about the glory of commerce, of self-actualization.
00:30:45.000We don't elect the government to be self-professed advocates for the criminals and the dysfunctional.
00:30:54.000Heather, I think you're articulating this feeling of the upside-down world that so many Americans feel like they live in so well and with such moral clarity.
00:31:03.000And this is why we love having you on the show.
00:31:05.000It does feel like the entire system somewhere along the line, the last 20, 30 years, tweak by tweak by tweak, became rigged against people that do the right thing, that wake up, that go to work, that shower before and after work, that send their kids to school, that pay their taxes and follow the law.
00:31:22.000Meanwhile, it's been tweaked in favor of these people that murder Irina on the train or set people on fire.
00:31:30.000By the way, you're talking about criminal menopause.
00:31:32.000I guess it was like 50, and he was still doing this stuff.
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00:35:00.000And it's frankly not who we are because if that's the case, let's talk about the white supremacists and how many of them need to be kicked out of this country because I can guarantee you I can track down more crimes that they've committed because overall immigrants have a lower crime committal rate than white supremacists.
00:35:18.000But we don't want to talk about that in this country.
00:35:20.000We don't want to talk about that in this country.
00:35:31.000That's why we're all being packed off to white privilege training.
00:35:34.000You know, that these numerous white supremacists and why the entire white races or Western civilization, Europeans are responsible for all the world's evils, which is, of course, a complete lie.
00:35:46.000I just have to say, Western civilization has saved the world from poverty and penury and oppression.
00:36:20.000Whites are not the ones committing crimes over all in this country.
00:36:25.000The black-white crime rate is blacks are 35 times more likely to commit violence against whites than whites against blacks.
00:36:33.000As far as immigrants go, it's a very difficult topic, Andrew, because we have really lousy data.
00:36:39.000You know, if you're Wellesley, Massachusetts, or New York City jail, you have zero incentive to try and find out the immigrant status of people in your jail because if the feds ask to deport somebody after he's finished his sentence, you're not going to comply anyway.
00:37:01.000So the data that we have for especially illegal alien offending is very, very scattershot and incomplete.
00:37:11.000It depends as well on the source country, the ethnicity.
00:37:16.000Asians generally have a much lower crime rate than everybody else.
00:37:21.000Hispanics generally have a much higher crime rate than whites, but it's lower than blacks.
00:37:27.000So generally, I would say my general rule of thumb is that by the second and third generation of immigrants, that's where you see crime going up as the children of immigrants assimilate into the underclass culture.
00:37:42.000The first generation, again, it's hard to know, but the issue, I think, sometimes conservatives overstress crime and terrorism concerns, which need to be addressed, but the real issue is cultural change and whether any society has the right to say we prefer to stay the way we are.
00:38:06.000We prefer a particular cultural heritage and we should be determining our own immigration policy, not people living outside the country determining our immigration policy for us by virtue of their decisions to enter the country overwhelmingly illegally.
00:38:24.000Well, I thought that was really, really well said.
00:38:27.000We do tend, I think people tend to focus on the crime and the terrorism stuff because it's candidly easier to talk about than the cultural assimilation arguments, and it's less uncomfortable for like a country club republic.
00:38:39.000They've been trained that it's not okay to just say, I want my country to be the way I remember it.
00:38:45.000I want to bequeath it to my children and our posterity.
00:38:49.000I want my country to remain my country and not become another person.
00:38:52.000It doesn't feel like America in so many places of the country anymore.
00:38:55.000Heather McDonald, when race trumps merit, throw up 174, buy her book, buy her stuff, follow her, give her all the support you can.