The Charlie Kirk Show - An Inside Look at Tucker Carlson with Chadwick Moore and Sean Davis

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, on this program, we talk about Tucker Carlson with Chad Wick War.

00:00:03.000 Chad Wick Moore, who is the author of the new book, Tucker, and then Sean Davis talks about why most Republicans are gutless wonders.

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00:00:22.000 I was watching the other day.

00:00:23.000 I'm actually not a huge Martin Luther King fan or whatever.

00:00:27.000 Super flawed guy.

00:00:28.000 But I was watching the last, the audio.

00:00:31.000 I was listening to the audio of the last speech that he gave the night before he was killed, April 3rd, 1968.

00:00:36.000 He was killed the next afternoon.

00:00:38.000 And he gave this speech, and he had just been like cheating with a bunch of different women.

00:00:42.000 Okay.

00:00:42.000 Yeah, he had a tendency to.

00:00:43.000 Oh my gosh.

00:00:44.000 No, he was like sexually out of control. 0.73

00:00:46.000 But he gave this speech in which he clearly predicted his own death.

00:00:50.000 Like there's no doubt if you listen to this that God is speaking through Martin Luther King.

00:00:55.000 And again, I don't like Martin Luther King's program.

00:00:57.000 I don't like his behaviors.

00:01:00.000 Worshiping Martin Luther King is absurd to me.

00:01:02.000 But I got to say, if you listen to that speech, God is speaking through Martin Luther King.

00:01:06.000 There's no other explanation for that.

00:01:09.000 And you're like, well, that's kind of consistent with what we know.

00:01:12.000 We're all flawed.

00:01:13.000 The people in charge tend to be more flawed.

00:01:16.000 But it doesn't mean that they're not capable of greatness.

00:01:20.000 So let's just be honest about it.

00:01:22.000 The second you have to feel the need to pretend that you're perfect, you become a liar and you become paradoxically even less perfect, in my opinion.

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00:02:23.000 Very important book that is now out called Tucker.

00:02:28.000 Tucker by Chadwick Moore with a lot of inside information about the most powerful communicator post the death of Rush Limbaugh.

00:02:37.000 That is 100% true.

00:02:39.000 Chadwick, welcome back to the program.

00:02:41.000 Hey, Charlie, great to be back with you.

00:02:43.000 So tell us about the book.

00:02:45.000 This has 21 chapters, exclusive in-depth information about America's favorite cable, well, former cable news broadcaster.

00:02:54.000 Tell us about the book.

00:02:56.000 Yeah, you know, it's, I guess it's different from a lot of other biographies because I think it's, you know, it's about Tucker Carlson, the man, obviously, and he gave me unprecedented access.

00:03:05.000 I spent a lot of time with him over the last year working on this book.

00:03:09.000 And he really, he hasn't seen a word, nor has he asked to.

00:03:12.000 He's just totally trusted me and my judgment to tell his story, which is a great honor.

00:03:17.000 But, you know, it's also about more than just him.

00:03:20.000 It's about this time in history.

00:03:22.000 It's about this movement.

00:03:24.000 You know, there's a lot of sort of immediacy in the book.

00:03:26.000 I was with him when a lot of things were unfolding.

00:03:29.000 And, you know, I really hope that readers walk away from it with a better insight into who Tucker is and where he came from and what he's like as a man, not just as a person on television or formerly on television.

00:03:40.000 Well, a question I get most frequently is, how's he been?

00:03:46.000 And so walk us through what we know that's in the book of when it came down, when Fox News decided to cancel his show.

00:03:52.000 How's he doing?

00:03:54.000 How is he navigating the cease and desist letters that Fox News is sending?

00:03:57.000 Give us the update.

00:03:58.000 Sure.

00:03:59.000 He, well, today, I mean, every time you see him, he seems like he's having the time of his life.

00:04:04.000 He seems so happy.

00:04:05.000 I think that this time away, he's been able to get a lot of perspective.

00:04:09.000 He's been able to step away from the fray a bit and collect his thoughts.

00:04:15.000 You know, I interviewed him twice after a show was taken off the air for the book, and I've spoken to him several times since then.

00:04:21.000 And he's very anxious to get back to work.

00:04:24.000 You know, obviously he has his Twitter show, but that's not the same.

00:04:28.000 With the cease and desist letters from Fox, well, they've, from what I understand, they've sort of backed off on those because if they keep sending them, well, Tucker's just going to keep posting them online.

00:04:38.000 And I think maybe for the first time ever, Fox has realized, well, first time in this drama that they're digging themselves into a deeper hole by doing that, that it's really not a good look for them to be trying to silence the most influential voice on the right at the moment.

00:04:52.000 So he seems to be doing great.

00:04:54.000 He's certainly anxious to get his next thing going, but he's unfortunately still under contract with Fox.

00:05:01.000 And he told me that obviously he'd like to get out from under that as quickly and as easily as possible.

00:05:07.000 So when you started this project, what was something that now with the book being published, the book is called Tucker, everyone should check it out, that surprised you, that you learned about Tucker, his story, his biography, the way he does his work.

00:05:19.000 I think the level to which he's a very deeply literary man.

00:05:22.000 He loves reading.

00:05:23.000 He has a great appreciation for wonderful literature, great American literature, great Russian literature, anything you can think of, the great English writers.

00:05:31.000 And he's first and foremost a writer, which I don't think I really understood at first.

00:05:35.000 You know, he got his start in literature and in magazine writing.

00:05:39.000 He kind of stumbled into television.

00:05:41.000 He's obviously a very talented and wonderful performer, but anyone who watched his show could tell that those A-block scripts, those famous monologues were all Tucker.

00:05:49.000 That's very much a creative outlet for him.

00:05:52.000 Secondly, I think just the nature of, you know, it was very wonderful to see how strong his relationship with his wife is.

00:05:59.000 It's very sort of a storybook love affair.

00:06:02.000 They've been together since they were 15 years old.

00:06:04.000 They are truly in love.

00:06:07.000 As far as I could tell watching them, it was really delight to see that.

00:06:10.000 And it's very special.

00:06:12.000 His relationship with his wife and with his kids is probably the most precious thing in the world to him.

00:06:17.000 So let's go through just some of the chapters here.

00:06:20.000 You know, you talk about how he's been involved in the movement for quite some time.

00:06:26.000 Talk about the kind of philosophical development of Tucker Carlson.

00:06:30.000 You know, you could go find clips of Tucker 10 or 15 years ago advocating for a full-out invasion of Iraq, arguing that Cheney is telling us the truth.

00:06:42.000 And now, 15 years later, it's the direct and polar opposite.

00:06:46.000 And by the way, I've had intellectual and philosophical development, large in part thanks to Tucker, by the way.

00:06:51.000 He's played such a profound role in that.

00:06:53.000 But he's very open about this, but I'm sure you pinpoint this in the book.

00:06:57.000 He used to be not just, you know, mildly, enthusiastic, bow tie-wearing, like full-force cheerleader for neoconservatism.

00:07:07.000 Certainly not that today.

00:07:08.000 Tell us about it.

00:07:10.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:07:11.000 And, you know, he's always been a kind of mischievous little scam.

00:07:14.000 He's always been a little rap scallion who likes to poke the bear and mess with people.

00:07:18.000 That goes back to when he was in high school and even before then, which I get to write about in the book, some instances of that.

00:07:24.000 And really his big shift away from Beltway conservatism and neoconservatism was the Iraq war.

00:07:31.000 He went to Iraq on assignment for Esquire magazine in 2003, where he was embedded with civilian contractors.

00:07:38.000 And he was so horrified about what he saw there and what a disaster it was and what the Americans were doing and how they simply had no business being there. 0.78

00:07:47.000 And he really marks that as being a huge shift away from Neoconservatism, which he described as, after that experience, realizing they were just liberals with guns, the most dangerous kind of liberal.

00:07:59.000 And since then, you know, he's really evolved more into this.

00:08:04.000 He calls himself a civil libertarian.

00:08:07.000 And his, you know, faith-wise, he's always been somewhat faithful.

00:08:11.000 His wife Susie really got him more into faith when they met in high school because she was the daughter of a preacher.

00:08:18.000 And but it seems like lately he's become much more spiritual.

00:08:22.000 He was raised Episcopalian, but he doesn't really have theocratic language.

00:08:28.000 He doesn't go by dogma necessarily.

00:08:31.000 But even in the many conversations I had with him, there's a spiritual underlying to the way he sees the world, not just the American political struggles, but nature and human nature and everything around that.

00:08:44.000 I think that he's certainly become more galvanized on certain issues in the era of Trump.

00:08:49.000 And more, he's a guy who came from Washington, D.C. elites, you know, and now he's become a complete outcast and a kind of hero to the everyman, despite him having so many connections and knowledge of how Washington works.

00:09:04.000 So we're going to get this clip for the next segment.

00:09:07.000 One of my most memorable Tucker Carlson moments as a viewer was when they were teasing his new show.

00:09:12.000 They announced it.

00:09:13.000 O'Reilly went out and it was the day after the election and it was like 7 a.m. Eastern, a day after the 2016 election.

00:09:20.000 And it was Wednesday morning and it was on the couch and they're like, oh, Tucker, come on in because they had him scheduled because they were teasing like next week, this thing called Tucker Carlson tonight is going to be out.

00:09:30.000 And Tucker, I think, had a 10 to 12 minute segment, which is one of the most profound pieces of television, I think, in the modern era, where the Fox and Friend hosts Kill Mead, Doocy, and I think it was Ainsley at the time.

00:09:43.000 They were genuinely looking for somebody to make sense of this, right?

00:09:45.000 It was like shock and awe.

00:09:46.000 It was political Pearl Harbor for the left-wing D.C. people.

00:09:51.000 And Tucker was, I think, at that point, in my opinion, he either realized or didn't realize it consciously or subconsciously.

00:09:59.000 He became like the spokesperson for half the country that just spoke out in the ballot box.

00:10:04.000 Can you help make sense of that, Chadwick?

00:10:07.000 Yeah, I remember that clip and that's awesome.

00:10:10.000 You remember that to bring that up?

00:10:12.000 You know, as some NPR, no, I'm sorry, some PBS hack called him the high priest of Trumpism, which I think was meant to be an insult, but I don't think that is an insult.

00:10:23.000 I think there's some kind of truth in that to the extent that he really, you know, on his show, especially during the Trump presidency, he didn't really talk about Donald Trump a lot or directly, but he talked a ton about Trumpism and the things happening around Trump.

00:10:36.000 He wasn't this sort of blind Trump cheerleader, but he clearly believed in the people who voted for Trump and he understood why they voted for him and by and large supported most of the things that they supported.

00:10:48.000 I think that that's, you know, a really key into his popularity over the last few years at Fox, how he became so popular under the network, was his understanding of the grievances of so much of the country and why Donald Trump won the election despite all odds and despite what everyone in Washington and New York thought was going to happen.

00:11:08.000 Yeah, I mean, one of the secrets to his success as the cable, you know, as his show came online was it was this remarkably articulate and deep way of translating and listening and then articulating what the elites considered to be nothing more than just white nationalist tribalism.

00:11:31.000 And Tucker said, well, no, hold on a second.

00:11:33.000 Let me explain this to you if you want to learn.

00:11:35.000 The book is called Tucker by Chadwick Moore.

00:11:38.000 I think you guys should check it out.

00:11:39.000 Purchase the book, Tucker, a great man.

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00:12:48.000 President Obama told us eight years ago: elections have consequences.

00:12:51.000 There you go.

00:12:52.000 It has big consequences.

00:12:54.000 The consequence for you being on this couch is you have wound up, as Brian mentioned earlier, with a brand new show.

00:12:59.000 It's going to start Monday night.

00:13:00.000 It's called Tucker Carlson Tonight.

00:13:02.000 What will we talk about?

00:13:04.000 It's like we'll be in DC.

00:13:06.000 I'll be the only person left in the city.

00:13:07.000 Yeah, because you've always been at a loss for words, right?

00:13:09.000 All right.

00:13:10.000 Tucker, thank you very much.

00:13:11.000 Congratulations, Tucker.

00:13:12.000 Thank you, as always, Ainsley. 0.99

00:13:14.000 So most people in media are trash. 1.00

00:13:16.000 They're degenerates. 1.00

00:13:17.000 You know, they do not have really, I think, proper moral behavior.

00:13:21.000 Tucker's a great man.

00:13:23.000 He's honest.

00:13:24.000 He's ethical.

00:13:25.000 He's compassionate.

00:13:26.000 He's fiercely loyal.

00:13:27.000 He's always been there for me.

00:13:29.000 And I'm honored to call him a friend.

00:13:31.000 Whereas most of the people in media are duplicitous and just awful.

00:13:35.000 Chadwick, riff on that a little bit.

00:13:38.000 Tucker Carlson is a decent man.

00:13:40.000 I would agree with your characterization of people in media, absolutely.

00:13:44.000 And not only is he a decent guy, he's a hilarious guy, you know, as you can imagine, and in person and hanging out with him.

00:13:53.000 You're just in stitches half the time, but he is truly a decent man.

00:13:56.000 And, you know, I think that something interesting I found out when I got to interview some of these people for the book is the man gives his phone number to basically everyone who stops him on the street.

00:14:05.000 It's sort of an amazing thing.

00:14:06.000 And it's a big source of where he gets content for his shows.

00:14:10.000 So I talk to like, you know, waitresses, pilots, nurses, actors, just random people who had a random encounter with Tucker Carlson and he gave them his phone number.

00:14:19.000 And they text all the time.

00:14:21.000 He always responds to everyone.

00:14:22.000 He gets a lot of show ideas from there.

00:14:24.000 He doesn't get content from his show from the New York Times.

00:14:27.000 It's everyday average people.

00:14:29.000 You can't imagine a lot of people in cable news being that way with the unwashed masses.

00:14:34.000 You know, a lot of people in cable news have such an ego.

00:14:37.000 Tucker doesn't have that.

00:14:38.000 And one thing I saw that when I spent so much time with him is that he really goes through great lengths to humble himself, to remind himself every day that he's not God.

00:14:47.000 Because when you're on cable news and you have that job, the job title is, I am God.

00:14:52.000 I'm right.

00:14:52.000 You're wrong.

00:14:53.000 I'm telling you about the world.

00:14:55.000 And he stepped away from his hour on television and reminds himself that he's not, that he's just a person like billions of others who've existed before him and will surely exist after him.

00:15:05.000 So talk about the impact that Tucker has made on the philosophical direction of the right.

00:15:09.000 He moved the Overton window on things like war, the border, immigration, corporate power, the idea of chemical castration of children, you know, all just from little things to big things.

00:15:22.000 Tucker Carlson, I believe, has in a good way radicalized the right.

00:15:27.000 I agree.

00:15:28.000 And I think that one area where he's still working to move the right, he certainly has, I think, among average people, maybe not necessarily our leaders, is talking about beauty and talking about architecture and talking about environmentalism, not from a crazy green energy climate change perspective, but keeping a beautiful planet.

00:15:47.000 You know, conservatives, in his view, are meant to conserve things.

00:15:51.000 That's what the ideology is about.

00:15:53.000 And yet, we have leaders that have been said embrace this kind of libertarian idea that, as Tucker would say, the aesthetics of the dollar store are important and that we should all live in strip malls and horribly ugly environments.

00:16:06.000 That's one of my favorite, personally, one of my favorite things about Tucker and writing this book was that, unlike anyone else on television, he could talk about these things.

00:16:13.000 He could talk about architecture and beauty in a way that nobody else could because he deeply cares about these things and believes in them.

00:16:20.000 And he tries to push the Republican Party to embrace those things as well.

00:16:24.000 I think with many Republican voters, you don't have to convince them.

00:16:27.000 They already agree with that.

00:16:28.000 So, Tucker has big plans.

00:16:30.000 He said he's going to start a network.

00:16:31.000 He's into all these things.

00:16:32.000 What is going on?

00:16:33.000 What does Tucker have planned for us?

00:16:35.000 Because we have not heard the last of Tucker Carlson.

00:16:37.000 That's right.

00:16:38.000 They are currently raising money to start their own network.

00:16:41.000 Tucker's executive producer, Justin Wells, tells me that on this new venture, you're going to see a lot more Tucker than you ever saw on Fox News.

00:16:50.000 They are unfortunately still under contract with Fox, not they, but Tucker.

00:16:54.000 So they're trying to get out of that.

00:16:56.000 We'll have to wait and see.

00:16:58.000 But that's the information we have now.

00:17:00.000 Until that happens, they're going to live on Twitter for a while.

00:17:03.000 And so far, they're very happy with it.

00:17:05.000 Chadwick Moore, author of Tucker, great work.

00:17:07.000 Thank you so much.

00:17:09.000 Thanks, man.

00:17:09.000 Great to be with you.

00:17:10.000 Thank you.

00:17:11.000 Tucker Carlson, night after night, has been the most successful window mover in the conservative movement of my lifetime.

00:17:20.000 It is not even close.

00:17:23.000 Issue after issue, because it wasn't just the amount of people he was influencing, it's the lawmakers he was influencing, the influencers he was influencing, myself included.

00:17:33.000 He moved me significantly on core issues that I used to parrot mindlessly.

00:17:38.000 And he would say, Why do you believe that?

00:17:40.000 Is that actually smart?

00:17:41.000 And he would do it in a very persuasive way.

00:17:44.000 And I am forever indebted to Tucker Carlson for myself personally and my continuing, ongoing education in politics and economics and philosophy.

00:17:56.000 And he has moved the Overton window.

00:17:58.000 And boy, we need him right now.

00:18:00.000 I could just say this, I'll editorialize.

00:18:02.000 We need Tucker Carlson on the field for 2024.

00:18:06.000 We need him in the arena.

00:18:08.000 The Twitter thing is fine.

00:18:10.000 We need him daily producing content.

00:18:14.000 He's one of the last bulwarks for a free society.

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00:19:21.000 Just to kind of continue on this, by the way, Donald Trump will be arraigned any second now.

00:19:25.000 Will heard running for the presidency, CIA agent play cut 19.

00:19:29.000 All right, we've heard the evidence, we've heard him call the Georgia Secretary of State and say, and ask this Georgia Secretary of State to do an illegal action.

00:19:39.000 So it just should be consequences.

00:19:41.000 And this is the kind of baggage that six out of 10 Americans don't want to see in an election because six out of 10 Americans don't want to see Donald Trump be the Republican nominee.

00:19:52.000 Joining us now is Sean Davis.

00:19:54.000 Sean, how should conservatives react to the arraignment, indictment of Donald Trump?

00:19:59.000 They should be shocked and appalled and enraged.

00:20:03.000 And the first thing you really have to do is put out of your mind that it's about Donald Trump.

00:20:09.000 It doesn't matter if you love Donald Trump or you hate Donald Trump.

00:20:13.000 What matters is that we have a completely corrupt and lawless Department of Justice working on behalf of the regime trying to imprison its primary political opponent for the crime of having said things that the ruling regime doesn't agree with.

00:20:27.000 I mean, that's not just shredding the Constitution.

00:20:31.000 That's pouring $4 a gallon gas on it and lighting it on fire and dancing around it.

00:20:36.000 It is a huge problem.

00:20:38.000 It's not about politics.

00:20:40.000 It's about whether we get to have a republic and a rule of law going forward.

00:20:43.000 Yeah, and currently the question is no.

00:20:47.000 I mean, is it unfair to say, Sean, that the Republic is largely dead?

00:20:52.000 I don't know if we're there yet, but it certainly seems like it might be on life support.

00:20:57.000 I mean, just look at what this government has done in the last couple of years.

00:21:01.000 It spied on a president and lied about him.

00:21:03.000 It lied to federal courts to get illegal warrants to spy on him in his campaign.

00:21:08.000 It shut down discussion of topics it didn't like.

00:21:13.000 It had the CIA and its little spider web of agencies censor news about a laptop that implicated the current president in corruption.

00:21:23.000 It locked us in our homes.

00:21:24.000 It fired us from our jobs for not getting a shot that didn't work.

00:21:28.000 We're getting pretty close to the Republic about being done.

00:21:32.000 And in a lawless law enforcement agency going after their political opponent and putting him in prison because he said things they didn't agree with, that's the end.

00:21:41.000 Like if that can be allowed to happen, we don't have a republic anymore.

00:21:44.000 We have an oligarchy.

00:21:46.000 Yeah, and not only can it be allowed to happen, the entire New York Times editorial page, I'll read that.

00:21:51.000 I mean, I have the New York Times right here.

00:21:52.000 Let me read you a headline here.

00:21:54.000 They say two things.

00:21:56.000 This is the New York Times says, a president accused of betraying his country.

00:22:01.000 And then what makes Jack Smith's case so smart?

00:22:04.000 That's the New York Times.

00:22:06.000 So not only is it okay, it wins you praise.

00:22:11.000 Half-page article in the New York Times.

00:22:14.000 The indictment strength lies as much in what it charges as in what it doesn't.

00:22:18.000 So it's like some sort of hidden secret code, Sean.

00:22:22.000 Your reaction.

00:22:24.000 Well, they're correct.

00:22:26.000 You learn a lot about what the department charges and what it doesn't.

00:22:29.000 Let's look at who they're not charging for nonsense, for being a foreign agent for influence peddling.

00:22:37.000 They're not charging Joe Biden's dirtbag son, who we have dead to rights, according to his own writings, his own laptops, his bank account records, his own business partner in Devin Archer, selling influence and selling out the U.S. government so that he and daddy could get cash for it.

00:22:53.000 That's not getting charged.

00:22:54.000 In fact, he's getting a sweetheart plea deal where they make it all go away and he doesn't do any prison time so that they can protect Joe.

00:23:00.000 So yeah, I will say the New York Times is right in that regard.

00:23:03.000 You can learn a lot about a government by what it charges and what it doesn't charge.

00:23:06.000 Yeah, and it's not charging the most obvious crimes.

00:23:09.000 And this is one of them.

00:23:10.000 They have people in the D.C. Gulag. 0.84

00:23:12.000 They have people all across the board.

00:23:13.000 So what can be done about it?

00:23:15.000 I mean, I have lawmakers on and they say, you know, we're going to try to defund the DOJ.

00:23:19.000 It's just not going to happen, Sean.

00:23:20.000 It should, but there's like, it seems like there's very little appetite.

00:23:24.000 Are these lawmakers afraid?

00:23:26.000 What exactly are they afraid of?

00:23:27.000 Why are we still funding Jack Smith?

00:23:29.000 Why are Republicans putting up with this?

00:23:31.000 Yeah, we have a problem where so many Republicans, it seems the bulk of the party and certainly its leadership, they're terrified of their own shadows. 0.99

00:23:38.000 They don't have any balls and they don't have any spine.

00:23:40.000 And so they go and they negotiate with themselves and decide, oh, we're not going to do anything that works. 0.99

00:23:44.000 We're going to send out sternly worded letters and tweets.

00:23:47.000 And the advice I would give to them is: look at how we won the Cold War.

00:23:50.000 We didn't win the Cold War by saying, you know what, Russia's bad and the Soviet Union's bad.

00:23:55.000 And if they nuke us, we're not going to return in kind because that just wouldn't accomplish anything.

00:23:59.000 We looked at them and we said, if you even so much as look in our direction, we will nuke you and everything you love to the point that people will not be talking about you for thousands of years because we will have wiped your memory from the earth.

00:24:11.000 That's how Republicans have to approach this because that's how Democrats approach this.

00:24:15.000 Republicans send out sternly worded tweets and Democrats go and they try to put their chief political opponents in prison.

00:24:22.000 So the first thing they need to do is go in and impeach Merrick Garland immediately.

00:24:26.000 I don't even know why that hasn't been done yet.

00:24:28.000 It's such an obvious thing to do. 1.00

00:24:30.000 The man is a total crook. 0.99

00:24:33.000 He's operating as the barrier to the Biden administration Stasi. 0.99

00:24:38.000 And they need to go in there and they need to put him on trial and they need to try to remove him from office.

00:24:42.000 And I don't particularly care if they succeed or not because they did it to Trump twice.

00:24:46.000 They're going to do it to everyone who wins that they don't like.

00:24:49.000 And that's actually the one thing you can do to force the media to pay attention.

00:24:54.000 They can ignore stuff like Devin Archer testifying.

00:24:56.000 They can ignore the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:24:59.000 They cannot ignore their top law enforcement Apparatchik being put on trial for probably weeks at a time.

00:25:05.000 So that's the first thing they should do at a bare minimum.

00:25:08.000 And when that's done and they've gotten their sea legs, they should go and impeach Joe Biden next for obvious reasons. 1.00

00:25:13.000 He's a corrupt crook. 0.99

00:25:15.000 Yeah, they're not going to do any of that. 0.99

00:25:17.000 But no, it's good to talk about, but they're not going to do that.

00:25:20.000 So what do you have to say to the argument that some of these state attorney generals should start indicting Democrats or investigating them?

00:25:28.000 It's perplexing to me why we don't have any current.

00:25:31.000 I mean, let me give you a great example, Sean, something you guys covered beautifully in the Federalist, the outright charitable fraud of BLM.

00:25:37.000 Okay?

00:25:38.000 It's obvious, right? 1.00

00:25:39.000 A bunch of black lesbians get really rich off of white liberal donors, right? 1.00

00:25:43.000 Over $100 million flows into BLM, and they outright charitable fraud. 1.00

00:25:48.000 So isn't it just like a little bit of, just give us something, right?

00:25:53.000 Just give us a little bit something, you know, state AG in Montana or Arkansas or Alabama.

00:26:00.000 Why don't they do that?

00:26:01.000 Why has there not been a single investment, not a single indictment of just that one?

00:26:05.000 And it's not as if BLM is some fringe group.

00:26:07.000 They were the state-run religion during Floyd-Palooza. 0.99

00:26:10.000 Yeah, and it gets back to the same answer that the Republican leadership class, by and large, is a bunch of cowards. 0.96

00:26:18.000 They enjoy the perks of power and they enjoy being in there and they enjoy patting themselves on the back and saying, we're not like them. 0.97

00:26:24.000 We're not icky.

00:26:24.000 We don't play politics.

00:26:26.000 Well, yeah, that's why you're a bunch of losers and it's why you're losing and it's why we're losing our country. 0.98

00:26:30.000 So I think change actually begins with Republican voters. 0.98

00:26:34.000 We have to demand a much better class of leader in the Republican Party. 0.99

00:26:39.000 And we got to stop sending back these idiots who just want to go up there and show up on TV and talk tough and send out mean tweets and call that the end. 0.99

00:26:49.000 Like we actually need people who do their jobs. 1.00

00:26:51.000 And I'm with you.

00:26:52.000 Like once Alvin Bragg went and said, Donald Trump, I'm going to try and put you in prison because you didn't commit federal campaign finance fraud in a private legal settlement.

00:27:03.000 Every single Republican DA and AG in the country should be looking to find someone.

00:27:07.000 They should be looking for a scalp and a head to put on a pipe.

00:27:10.000 And you're right, they're not.

00:27:11.000 And it's enraging.

00:27:12.000 Well, and I and I've talked to, like, for example, I talked to a couple attorney generals over the weekend because they all, you know, AG stands for aspiring governor, right?

00:27:19.000 So they all ask for our endorsement and our help.

00:27:22.000 And I say, okay, how many Democrats have you indicted?

00:27:24.000 They say, well, Charlie, we don't look at our lens through political stuff and, you know, really commitment to the rule of law.

00:27:29.000 I said, yeah, you're a waste of time.

00:27:30.000 Sorry.

00:27:31.000 I hope you don't become governor.

00:27:32.000 Like, how many Democrats?

00:27:33.000 I mean, just start with BLM.

00:27:35.000 And BLM, and by the way, BLM had donors from all 50 states.

00:27:38.000 So there's jurisdiction in every state, right?

00:27:41.000 And by the way, you might say, oh, Charlie, you know, what's the precedent?

00:27:44.000 They're going after Steve Bannon on the We Build the Wall stuff on a remarkably flimsy case of charitable fraud where they actually did build a wall.

00:27:52.000 And, you know, there's some weird stuff in that.

00:27:53.000 The point is they shouldn't go to jail for it.

00:27:55.000 Okay, maybe pay a fine or whatever.

00:27:56.000 They're going to jail on state-based crimes.

00:27:58.000 Steve Bannon still has to stand trial for that.

00:28:01.000 And meanwhile, we can't even lay a glove on Antifa, BLM, anything.

00:28:06.000 BLM is the number one thing. 1.00

00:28:07.000 And I know I'm just like a dog with a bone with this.

00:28:09.000 I don't get any reaction because, Sean, I think deep down Republicans are comfortable losing.

00:28:14.000 Is that right?

00:28:15.000 I think that it's the Mike Pence syndrome. 0.84

00:28:17.000 I want to be a protected loser, controlled opposition, get me a book deal. 0.91

00:28:21.000 I'll look stoically into the distance while I will be known as the guy that lost nobly while the country was incinerated by degenerate Marxists. 0.94

00:28:31.000 Yeah, you're exactly right.

00:28:33.000 They're the Washington generals to the Democrats, Harlem Globetrotters. 0.88

00:28:36.000 I wrote about this like 15 years ago, 14 years ago, during the Obamacare nonsense in the Senate when McConnell and Cornyn decided, oh, no, no, we're going to let them pass it.

00:28:44.000 We're going to have some good amendments to make it look bad and then we'll run against it. 0.99

00:28:47.000 And the problem is these idiots, they don't actually want to win. 1.00

00:28:50.000 They want to beat the spread. 1.00

00:28:52.000 They want to go out there and say, you know what, we did better than the other side thought we would.

00:28:56.000 Sure, we lost, but we lost with our virtue and with our dignity.

00:29:00.000 They're not interested in winning.

00:29:01.000 And I'll tell you quite honestly, I'm not interested in a party or members of that party who aren't interested in winning because winning is all there is in politics.

00:29:09.000 Because when you lose, this is what happens.

00:29:12.000 You get people like Mark Howe getting thrown in prison, being tried on federal charges because he prayed outside of an abortion clinic.

00:29:19.000 Okay, you get kids in Wisconsin hauled away by cops because they were preaching the gospel at a public event.

00:29:27.000 Like, this is insane. 0.61

00:29:28.000 So the thing is, you either understand that the entire republic is at risk and that all of our freedoms are at stake right now, or you're worthless.

00:29:37.000 That's the litmus test now for whether you should be elected to anything, is whether you understand what time it is in America right now.

00:29:44.000 They don't know what time it is.

00:29:45.000 In fact, they think it's time for re-election or for me to get in office.

00:29:49.000 And so what is it on the left?

00:29:51.000 Why is it that they almost reward the, like they almost send out rewards for how many people they can indict on the left?

00:29:59.000 Look, I don't enjoy this, but it's not going to stop until they fear the knock on the door too.

00:30:06.000 That's it.

00:30:07.000 It's mutually assured destruction.

00:30:08.000 And I wish more than anyone that we could go back to a time where we only looked at the law, where we had one standard of justice, where there weren't different rules based on different people.

00:30:18.000 But I'm sorry, that time is over.

00:30:20.000 Like, it's gone.

00:30:21.000 I wish we could bring it back, but we're sure as hell not bringing it back until the other side feels the same pain that they're inflicting on us.

00:30:29.000 And to believe that somehow we can just pat ourselves on the back and say, well, we're better than them.

00:30:33.000 And magically everything will go back to, you know, it's going to be 2002 again.

00:30:37.000 It's insanity.

00:30:38.000 Yeah, well, most Republican office holders, they are gutless wonders.

00:30:46.000 They have zero spine and they do the, well, it's not me.

00:30:51.000 As long as it's not me, it's not me.

00:30:54.000 It's unbelievably disappointing.

00:30:56.000 There is not an opposition party in this country.

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00:32:13.000 Your tweet, Sean, is very interesting, which really inspired us about relitigating the 2020 election since Jack Smith's indictment seems to criminalize Trump's ability to redress his grievances.

00:32:25.000 Your thoughts?

00:32:25.000 Yeah, I mean, this indictment is a total assault on the First Amendment.

00:32:30.000 It's assault on the Fourth Amendment.

00:32:32.000 It's assault on us being able to vote.

00:32:33.000 And it just kind of blows my mind, given all the whining from the left about democracy this and democracy that, democracy dies in darkness.

00:32:43.000 They're taking a gun to democracy's head and they're pulling the trigger with this indictment because how on earth can you possibly have a country if you can't even say, hey, I'm going to follow the exact process for adjudicating election dispute and then have them say, yeah, that's actually a federal crime now.

00:33:01.000 You get to go to prison.

00:33:02.000 Yeah, I mean, you have a really brilliant tweet here that I want to read.

00:33:05.000 The 2020 election was rigged and they're trying to throw Trump in prison before the 2024 election because they're not confident they'll be able to rig that one.

00:33:14.000 And so let me ask you, Sean, just kind of looking at all the Republican contenders, are you impressed or disappointed generally by how Republicans running for the presidency have reacted to the administrative state striking Donald Trump?

00:33:27.000 Yeah, I've been, you know, fairly disappointed with the primary campaign writ large, because from my view, the only thing that matters right now is taking down the completely corrupt deep state, administrative state, whatever you want to call it.

00:33:45.000 We have this entire cabal of people who have no accountability, were elected by no one, can't be fired, but they have all this power.

00:33:52.000 You can't have a country with that.

00:33:53.000 And so, look, I care about the border.

00:33:55.000 I care about taxes.

00:33:56.000 I care about gas prices, all that stuff.

00:33:59.000 But unless you can actually have a functioning rule of law where people are able to control their own government, you don't have a country.

00:34:06.000 And I've just been kind of annoyed in general at the whole primary field that doesn't seem to grasp that we're facing an existential crisis right now.

00:34:14.000 And I get that a lot of them don't like Trump.

00:34:16.000 Trump's not perfect.

00:34:17.000 I get that.

00:34:17.000 None of us is.

00:34:19.000 You got to move past whether you love Trump or hate Trump and actually address the root problem here because the left is taking advantage of people's hatred of Trump to ram through things that will forever change the nature of the country and that we'll never be able to get back ever again.

00:34:34.000 Yeah, criminalizing the First Amendment and obliterating the First Amendment being chief among them.

00:34:39.000 I want to play a piece of tape here and get your reaction.

00:34:42.000 This is a narrative that is growing, Sean, comparing half the country, not just comparing, but saying this is al-Qaeda ISIS.

00:34:50.000 It's extraordinary.

00:34:51.000 This is happening on multiple cable networks with multiple different types of people, obviously coordinated in symmetrical messaging to try to justify a Patriot Act 2.0, play cut 128.

00:35:02.000 When I first learned about the indictment, I had a long conversation with a friend of mine, Ryan Riley, and I told him how proud I felt to be an American at that moment, much in the way that I did when I learned that our military had killed Osama bin Laden.

00:35:25.000 I just felt incredibly proud.

00:35:29.000 Osama bin Laden was a terrorist who committed a horrific act against American people and against our republic. 0.94

00:35:40.000 And I believe that Donald Trump is a terrorist who committed horrific acts against the American people. 0.82

00:35:47.000 Sean Davis, your reaction, final thoughts. 0.96

00:35:50.000 I actually appreciate how honest that guy is because he perfectly shows the left-wing psychosis.

00:35:56.000 They actually think beating Hillary Clinton is the same as flying a bunch of planes into buildings and killing 3,000 people.

00:36:04.000 I mean, he could not have been more honest about it, and I'm thankful for it. 0.99

00:36:07.000 I mean, he's a psycho, and that's total nutjob thinking. 0.91

00:36:13.000 But that's where we are with the left now. 0.99

00:36:14.000 They actually believe that.

00:36:15.000 And it reminds me of something my friend Dave Reboy says, which is that the left doesn't have foreign enemies.

00:36:20.000 They only have domestic enemies.

00:36:22.000 And you and I and everyone who thinks like us, we are their true enemies.

00:36:26.000 And they're not going to stop until they have us under their boot.

00:36:29.000 Yep, that's right.

00:36:30.000 They want us all in jail, so we should throw them in jail.

00:36:32.000 It's that simple.

00:36:32.000 There is no other way.

00:36:33.000 There is no third option.

00:36:34.000 There is no settlement.

00:36:35.000 They must fear us.

00:36:37.000 We need to start putting powerful Democrats in jail and start going after the criminals that brag about their criminal activity.

00:36:43.000 Republican attorney generals and DAs have been one of the great disappointments of 2023.

00:36:48.000 Sean, thank you so much.

00:36:51.000 Thank you, sir.

00:36:52.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:36:53.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 04, 2023

An Inside Look at Tucker Carlson with Chadwick Moore and Sean Davis

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