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00:01:09.000All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:12.000It is a beautiful day here in sunny Florida.
00:01:15.000Blake is still at home base in Arizona.
00:01:18.000I heard the show was amazing yesterday.
00:01:58.000It's a really terrible, tragic reality that that's his last book.
00:02:04.000But Erica is pushing forward because it's just, it's a beautiful book.
00:02:09.000It's an important book, and it's all about Charlie's admonition to the world to stop and rest because Charlie found that when he did that, when he instituted that discipline in his life, he was able to accomplish much, much more than he was able to before.
00:02:23.000And frankly, there's a lot of other benefits too.
00:02:25.000And he goes into it in this book and he justifies it, proves it, backs up why it's necessary in so many, so many ways.
00:03:52.000It would be wild if we had a breakthrough on this just because it's been almost five years.
00:03:59.000The FBI said that they had reviewed thousands of hours of footage, interviewed hundreds, if not thousands of people, really investigated this and gotten nowhere for so long.
00:04:09.000And that, as you know, Andrew, drove so much speculation.
00:04:12.000We had recent speculation it was somebody else just within the last month.
00:04:17.000But also, I think you remember we talked to Darren Beattie a lot.
00:04:21.000He thought the pipe bomber might really be this key to cracking what might have been a plan on January 6th.
00:04:29.000It's just been this long-running thing.
00:04:32.000I think that was one of the first shows I did with Charlie when I joined almost three years ago was us discussing the J6 pipe bomber and the ongoing drama around it.
00:04:40.000So I think we're all very interested and excited to see what they reveal over the course of today.
00:04:47.000So if we, so let's play this out here, Blake.
00:04:50.000If this person ends up being, as some outlets have already reported, associated with Antifa or having connections to Antifa or similar ideologies, you mentioned he might be an anarchist.
00:05:00.000I don't really necessarily see a differentiation between those two ideologies on some level.
00:05:05.000If we find that out to be the case, and you know Darren well, we had him on the show a lot of times going through why this could be potentially a linchpin to unraveling all of the mystery around January 6th.
00:05:19.000What does that do to our theories of the case?
00:05:22.000What does that mean in terms of the ramifications, right?
00:05:26.000These allegations, speculations of a grander conspiracy, of coordinated conspiracy.
00:05:36.000Well, I'm sure we could probably talk to Darren or Mike Benz.
00:05:42.000I'm sure they're both digging deep into this.
00:05:44.000But I guess one of the core of the idea was that it should have been extremely trivially easy for them to identify the pipe bomber, that they had a lot of this evidence, that not all of the evidence had been released.
00:05:58.000I remember there was a lot of fixation on how they had more footage of the pipe bomber than they'd actually let out to the public.
00:06:10.000Yeah, so what will be very interesting is now that they're charging somebody, we're going to, well, all of the evidence is going to have to come out because it's going to be part of the trial.
00:06:18.000And they'll have to lay out how did they identify this person.
00:06:21.000And we'll get, I think, a better insight into why it took so long and what the supposed breakthrough was.
00:06:27.000And that could be the final piece of that jigsaw that makes it all come together.
00:06:31.000They might have a very plausible explanation of why there were so many blind alleys or why this was so difficult.
00:06:37.000Or that answer might be somewhat unsatisfying.
00:06:41.000But they have certainly made the superficial showing of this being a serious thing.
00:06:46.000In 2023, they raised a reward for information leading to an arrest from $100,000 to $500,000.
00:06:54.000So there was this fat pot of money available if someone was able to identify a suspect.
00:07:01.000And I suspect if someone had known and they were just being denied and shut down, they could have gone to the press about it.
00:07:07.000So I think I'm hopeful this will be a real breakthrough.
00:07:11.000And we don't want our government to be doing weird plots or weird agent provocateur stuff.
00:07:17.000So I would be very happy if it did turn out that was not the case.
00:07:22.000You know, I think, you know, us on the right, we should be relieved if they actually get the suspect and we identify it.
00:07:29.000It's beyond a shadow of a doubt and the facts bear out.
00:07:32.000But just to bring everybody kind of up to speed on some of these different pieces here.
00:07:37.000So in these pipe bombs were live and viable.
00:07:41.000Now, there's some disagreement behind whether or not they were, you could detonate them successfully.
00:07:47.000So I don't know if you would chalk that up to competency or if it was an intentional ruse, what it could be, not sure.
00:07:54.000But they contained homemade black powder, kitchen timers, and other components capable of detonation, and they could have caused serious injury or death if they had exploded.
00:08:03.000Why that point is important is because you had Kamala Harris walking within 20 feet of these pipe bombs, and we have not heard a peep out of the Democrats on this very, very suspicious story.
00:08:15.000So that's one little nugget that I think we need to hold in the back of our thoughts as we do this.
00:08:20.000The other thing is, as you mentioned before, there was reporting within the last month by Stephen Baker, who they were talking about this gate analysis, this gate signature, that what they were trying to say was a 94%, some people say 96% or 98% match to a former Capitol Police personnel.
00:08:43.000And, you know, so one has to wonder: did that force pressure with inside the FBI, with inside the intelligence agency, to get to the bottom of this?
00:08:52.000And now, one other really important fact is that when Dan Bongino, Kash Patel, came into the FBI, there was a team that was already working on this.
00:09:01.000They augmented the team and they completely switched out those who were investigating this.
00:09:06.000So they brought in a new team, they made it larger.
00:09:10.000And perhaps this is what has led to this end result: that they've got somebody they believe is the actual perpetrator in this case.
00:09:18.000So one has to wonder what machinations were going on behind the scenes that within one month of this other story, we get this new story.
00:09:28.000And we were told, if this ends up being true, that Antifa had nothing to do with J6, right?
00:09:34.000This was a right-wing coordinated assault, sedition.
00:09:37.000This was an assault on our capital and our very democracy.
00:09:41.000So if it turns out that a member of Antifa or somebody with close ties to Antifa was in fact behind what I would say is the most serious and destructive and dangerous aspect of that whole saga, then we have a whole new series of questions about what this means and what the significance of this day and this act really truly were.
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00:11:16.000You know, so nothing breaking immediately.
00:11:19.000I think we're going to get a lot out of this press conference, and hopefully Julie will have some info from her sources.
00:11:24.000But I've really just been thinking about what you said where they rotated out the investigators.
00:11:29.000And it's so emblematic, I think, of the change that we would have wanted to see in our FBI, in our federal law enforcement, because under the Biden administration, we had four years of, as they called it, the largest manhunt ever to find every single person who set one atom of their body within the Capitol, whether they attacked anyone or did anything or had any ill intent whatsoever.
00:11:54.000And then we had a total, total failure to find this pipe bomber.
00:11:58.000And that they seem to very much downplay it.
00:12:02.000That's also what drove a lot of the suspicion about it that they might have been trying to hide something because you would have thought they would have, frankly, politically exploited it more otherwise.
00:12:13.000And then, you know, new people, we push aside all of the random grandmas being prosecuted.
00:12:21.000And we have suddenly, it seems like we have a good breakthrough on the actual person who seemed to have intended to kill people with a bomb, which we had so many FBI investigations of Catholics going to mass, of people who, you know, deciding who was a potential extremist, and so little on the clear, obvious threats that directly go after Americans' lives.
00:12:47.000And I think if they can bring this to a successful conclusion, that would be, it would be good for the country.
00:12:52.000We should have an FBI that finds terrorists, that finds killers, and brings them to justice.
00:12:59.000We don't need a secret police force monitoring what churches people go to.
00:13:03.000Well, listen, if he does have anarchist ties, ideological ties, Antifa ties, whatever we end up discovering, like I said in the previous segment, I think this opens up just a whole slew of new questions, Blake, insofar as, you know, were there infiltrations?
00:13:20.000Was there any conspiracy or coordination across groups?
00:13:23.000Were, you know, we've already seen the myriad of video evidence that shows that Capitol police officers were waiving people in, that they were sort of cooperating.
00:13:34.000Now, that wasn't the case in every single scene within the Capitol.
00:14:09.000I think those are fine things to investigate and we need to get to the bottom of it.
00:14:12.000But if there is Antifa present, if there were instigations present and why those haven't been pursued, why they haven't been investigated.
00:14:22.000But meanwhile, as you said, Blake, we have thrown every grandma we can find that put so much as a pinky toe inside the Capitol, then we have a serious issue of political weaponization of the federal law enforcement agencies, namely the FBI and a lot of the surrounding judges and jurisdictions that oversaw those cases.
00:14:43.000That is a problem akin to the level of, you know, surveilling Catholic churches or surveilling parents that go to school boards because they don't want to see their trans ideology shoved down the throat of their children.
00:15:00.000To your point, why did they not investigate the pipe bomber more rigorously?
00:15:05.000Why was there not more of a political exploitation of that on behalf of the Democrat Party?
00:15:10.000They're good at exploiting every other thing, whether that be Venezuelan drug boats getting bombed, whether that be leaked phone calls, perfectly fine phone calls in Venezuela.
00:15:20.000They will exploit everything to maximize their advantage politically.
00:15:24.000We have seen this over and over and over again.
00:15:26.000And then when you call them out on that, they will play the victim and say that, oh, I must be over the target.
00:15:31.000Well, no, actually, you're just guilty of wrongdoing, Mark Kelly.
00:15:34.000So why did they not do that in this instance?
00:15:36.000The dog that didn't bark, I think, is the tell.
00:16:14.000I simply believe that it is beyond the pale.
00:16:17.000It bends credulity, if not breaks it outright, to believe that they would not politically exploit the vice president of the United States nearly getting blown up by a pipe bomb if they did not see a political advantage in doing so.
00:16:37.000If that ends up being true, I will eat Crow publicly and loudly on this show, but I just can't see it.
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00:17:48.000All right, without further ado, Julie Kelly is joining the show.
00:17:52.000You can find her at declassified.live on Substack.
00:18:11.000So, I mean, this is one of the biggest unsolved mysteries of January 6th.
00:18:15.000Who was that individual in the hoodie who was on surveillance video walking around Capitol Hill for an hour the night of January 5th, who allegedly planted those two devices, one outside the headquarters of the DNC, where Kamala Harris went on January 6th, and then one outside of the headquarters of the RNC.
00:18:35.000So it appears that after restarting this cold case, inexplicably just dropped by Chris Ray's FBI in early 2021, following a few months of really intensive investigation, Andrew, all of a sudden the case was dropped and memory hold for years.
00:18:54.000Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, taking the reins of the FBI, making this a priority, devoting new resources, new technologies, looking at the old evidence.
00:19:04.000And now it appears that they have arrested a man, Brian Cole, is being reported from Virginia.
00:19:12.000He is apparently the individual who was seen in that hoodie on the night of January 5th planting those devices.
00:19:19.000So yes, press conference at one o'clock.
00:19:47.000Everything is kind of being pieced together, corporate news and their sources.
00:19:51.000I'm, you know, hearing from my sources as well.
00:19:54.000I think what we learn at one o'clock will be very interesting to say the least.
00:20:00.000But if this is true, and I believe he's being reported as 30 years old, that would have made him 25, 26 on January 6th of 2021.
00:20:10.000Yes, some reporting that he's tied to Antifa, the anti-fascist movement at the time, which you guys makes a lot of sense, right?
00:20:18.000This would make a lot of sense as to why the Chris Ray FBI, aside from occasionally, you know, reposting this video that they had pieced together, also that had been manipulated, that, oh gee, we don't have the cell phone data.
00:20:34.000OG, we didn't really investigate the people who discovered the devices on January 6th, you know, everything we have learned in documents since that point.
00:20:42.000But if this individual is Antifa, then it makes perfect sense why Chris Ray, who insisted early on that Antifa was not involved in the events of January 6th, why they would have buried this investigation, because it would have not only undermined the whole January 6th insurrection that was being built at the time in early 2021, but completely contradict Chris Ray's insistence without evidence before he could even know who was at the Capitol,
00:21:10.000his insistence early on that Antifa did not play a role in what happened on January 6th.
00:21:16.000I had forgotten that little detail about Christopher Ray's insistence that Antifa was not involved.
00:21:23.000Now, I'm going to play this clip, and it is, I believe, from December of 2024.
00:21:28.000And it's the Inspector General's report that it basically confirmed that there were confidential sources embedded within the crowd.
00:21:36.000And then I'm going to link it back to some of the behavior of the FBI since PlayCut 322.
00:21:43.000There were three confidential human sources tasked by the Bureau to be in the crowd on January 6th to specifically watch what the report states is concerns over domestic terrorism.
00:21:53.000Out of those three, Sandra and John, one entered the Capitol, two others entered a restricted area.
00:21:59.000The report says the FBI did not encourage or authorize any sources to go into the building or a restricted area.
00:22:05.000In addition to the three confidential human sources, the FBI told there were 23 that were there on their own.
00:22:14.000So we had a total of 26 confidential sources.
00:22:17.000You have, it seems as though FBI director, former FBI director Ray, going out of his way to say that Antifa was not involved.
00:22:25.000And yet here we have what could be a connection to somebody with ties to Antifa.
00:22:33.000The question then becomes: why did they not seemingly, why did they close the door on that aspect of these ties to Antifa?
00:22:43.000But secondly, why did the Democrats not politically exploit the fact that the sitting vice president of the United States almost got blown up by a pipe bomb?
00:23:10.000She was the sitting U.S. Senator at the time, recall, from California.
00:23:14.000She was going to be part of the proceedings that day.
00:23:17.000Also, the historic, you know, history-making incoming first black female vice president.
00:23:24.000So, why would she leave there where all the reporters are and everyone's there swooning over her to go to the DNC headquarters?
00:23:31.000She never talked about why, and she certainly never talks about her near death, her near brush with death, assassination at the hands of this MAGA bomber, which is something we were also told.
00:23:44.000In her book, she only addresses the pipe bombs once in like two sentences and says how she was there calling supporters or donors, thanking them for their support, which also is odd.
00:23:57.000But you would think she would have devoted an entire chapter to, you know, her trauma in surviving this near brush with death, as I said, from this device that was sitting outside the DNC, that her detail missed, that two rounds of bomb-sniffing canine units missed as well.
00:24:15.000DC Metro police missed, Capitol Hill police missed.
00:24:19.000Because if this is correct, that the device was set the night before, it would have been sitting there outside the DNC for 17 hours and no one detected it.
00:24:28.000So I do want to emphasize, even though there is this individual in custody allegedly who planted those devices that night, still, we're still going to have a lot of questions.
00:24:40.000Are there ties between him and say the individual, the woman who found the device outside the RNC right at 1240 on that day?
00:24:50.000What about the idea outside of the DNC that everyone, including the Secret Service, missed this device sitting outside underneath a bush in between two benches right next to the driveway where police vehicles were in and out for hours before that device was allegedly discovered at about 105, 107 on January 6th?
00:25:11.000So we're still going to figure out how to piece this together if there is a tie between this individual, the individuals who discovered it, or if those devices that were planted were really the ones that were found.
00:25:24.000Because I have always contended that I thought those devices were planted right before they were found that day.
00:25:30.000So I'm keeping an open mind to see what the FBI is going to say at one o'clock.
00:25:35.000But this doesn't solve the pipe bomb mystery, let's put it that way.
00:25:40.000But it does add a very important puzzle piece to trying to figure out what exactly happened.
00:25:49.000And Blake, please feel free to jump in here, but I find it interesting that we had this, you know, this story from about a month ago where we were talking about gate signature analysis, you know, 96% match.
00:26:05.000And I'm assuming that that must have caused quite an uproar within the FBI.
00:26:11.000And then within a month, we get this arrest.
00:26:15.000You sort of wonder what was playing on behind the scenes.
00:26:18.000Has your reporting indicated that this, maybe that initial story accelerated the pace at which this investigation was playing out?
00:26:25.000Or is there something else we don't know?
00:26:28.000I mean, I was on your show, I think, the day after, two days after that Blaze report dropped.
00:26:34.000I thought it was very sketchy using this gate analysis that was never published, using video samples that also were never published.
00:26:43.000So that's also going to be interesting.
00:26:45.000Was this report intended to undermine the leadership of the FBI, which we know that it was because the people who are peddling it and pushing it are anti-Trump, anti-Kash Patel, anti-Dan Bongino influencers and reporters?
00:27:00.000Was it doing what we're seeing now, which is, oh, will this push the FBI to come up with this suspect?
00:27:08.000I know from my own sourcing that's not true.
00:27:11.000I mean, as soon as Cash and Dan, especially Dan, who covered the pipe bomb story a lot, and I was on his show a lot talking about it, this was a priority.
00:27:20.000But you're taking a cold case that was years old, also trying to work with whatever has been left over from the Chris Ray FBI, probably destroyed evidence, hidden evidence.
00:27:32.000Maybe there was something in burned bags.
00:27:48.000But I don't think I can say with certainty that that blazed bomb report did not hasten or accelerate this investigation or this arrest today.
00:27:58.000This has been something that's been in the works for months, a priority by both Cash and Dan.
00:28:04.000And now I think a lot of people are going to have egg on their face because my understanding is the evidence against the suspect is extremely strong.
00:30:06.000It's a lot like other news stories where because there was just this mystery at the heart of it for so long, it just sucked in so much speculation, so many theories.
00:30:18.000And you know how I am on a lot of things.
00:30:21.000I like us to, let's dial back, let's remember what we actually know for sure.
00:30:25.000And what we know for sure is we had these pipe bombs and it was of uncertain origin.
00:31:05.000And I just can't say how wild it is that they are saying these things out loud and doing it in a respectable way on MSM, Legacy Media, and getting away with it.
00:31:18.000I think in many ways, the uniform military may help save us from this president and his lame people like Hag Seth because I think their commitment is to the Constitution and obviously not to Trump.
00:31:31.000And I expect Bradley to adhere to that.
00:32:03.000And when you are sowing discord in this way, where you're just coming out and like laying out here, oh man, we really think we think these uniformed service members could really help us prevent bad things from this administration.
00:32:16.000They're laying the groundwork for a constitutional crisis.
00:32:19.000They are, in my opinion, their intent is clear.
00:32:22.000Whether they're calling for insurrection or not, they clearly think that would be a politically useful thing.
00:32:29.000And that's an incredibly selfish behavior to do.
00:32:33.000It's an incredibly destructive behavior to do because at that point, you practically don't have a country.
00:32:40.000There are a lot of countries, a lot of countries in Latin America that a lot of countries around the world that have just become for decades dysfunctional because they have a military that decides it just calls the shots independent of its actual elected leadership.
00:32:57.000And Donald Trump is the actual elected leadership of the United States military.
00:33:01.000You know, we're talking about Venezuela here, too.
00:33:11.000That is what happens in countries that are breaking down.
00:33:14.000Yeah, I mean, so let's put together the step-by-step process here, just for the sake of the audience here, Blake.
00:33:19.000We've got step one is release a video by the seditious six saying, please, military, you know, refuse to obey what they said was illegal orders.
00:33:32.000And they say, oh, we're trying to head this off at the past.
00:33:35.000We're just reminding them of their duty.
00:33:37.000So they say, please ignore these orders.
00:33:40.000Step two, go on a media tour when you get called out and play the victim.
00:33:45.000Step three is, oh, whoops, here's a Washington Post anonymously sourced article that suggests that Secretary of War Pete Hegseth is guilty of committing war crimes by bombing these narco-terrorist boats in the Caribbean.
00:34:03.000Now they're saying step five, step four, say, oh, you might get prosecuted if you do illegal things.
00:34:08.000And we're really, this is a really terrible place to be putting our armed uniformed military personnel in such a, it's such a bind that it shouldn't be up to them.
00:34:17.000This president is such a mean, terrible president.
00:34:33.000And this is something we've seen in the Blake.
00:34:35.000What's funny about this is you have been the most loud voice in the room just about every time I can remember of talking about the third worldization of the United States government, of our customs and our norms, of our institutions.
00:34:49.000And we all sort of thought, you know what, they're not going to touch the military.
00:34:58.000They can't overtake that, especially with the type of people who go in the military.
00:35:01.000And here they are going straight for it.
00:35:03.000And it almost feels like a game of political chicken.
00:35:06.000Like they're dare, like Mark Kelly, Senator Warner now, they're daring people to restore the chain of command, which is the president, the civil authority duly elected by the people of the United States to command the armed forces.
00:35:29.000It is one of those frustrating things because I've argued, I don't, I think it probably would be a mistake, certainly for Mark Kelly, who's the one they've, you know, made, thrown the most signals at.
00:35:39.000We have a best example to go off of, which is the attempted, the attempt to imprison Donald Trump in 2023 and 2024 paved the way for him to return to the White House.
00:35:50.000It was one of the most important factors.
00:35:52.000Trying to imprison your opponents has a lot of downsides to it.
00:35:57.000And I think they may even be realizing that.
00:36:00.000They may be trying to provoke the president into making a mistake.
00:36:04.000And I still lean that way, but I still think what they're doing is incredibly reckless, incredibly harmful, incredibly bad for the country.
00:36:11.000And we're going to have to keep saying so.
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