The Charlie Kirk Show - An Unexpected J6 Pipe Bomb Arrest

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:12.000 It is a beautiful day here in sunny Florida.

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00:01:28.000 And we had an eventful day yesterday in New York as well.

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00:02:35.000 So we have a busy week, traveling a lot.

00:02:38.000 But Blake, we had some breaking news just this morning.

00:02:41.000 The FBI has arrested a suspect.

00:02:44.000 Yeah, the FBI has arrested a suspect in the January 5th pipe bomb planning investigation.

00:02:52.000 And we have some information on this suspect already.

00:02:56.000 So Blake, why don't you walk through what we know?

00:02:58.000 And then we also are aware that we're going to have a 1 p.m. Eastern press conference where we'll obviously find out more.

00:03:04.000 And Julie Kelly is coming up at 12.30 on this show to fill us in on what she has gathered thus far.

00:03:10.000 Yeah, exactly, Andrew.

00:03:11.000 We don't know, know too much stuff yet.

00:03:14.000 We do have it reported the name of the suspect.

00:03:16.000 His name is Brian Cole.

00:03:19.000 I have seen reporting in various places that have described him as potentially, quote, an anarchist.

00:03:27.000 And some people have said, okay, there's a lot of types of anarchism.

00:03:31.000 That would definitely make it plausible to explain why you would leave bombs at both the RNC and the DNC.

00:03:37.000 A lot of anarchists are sort of anti-everything, anti-all parties, anti-all governments.

00:03:43.000 He seems to have a house in Northern Virginia.

00:03:46.000 He seems, it's a pretty nice house, I must say.

00:03:48.000 So that would be, that would be interesting.

00:03:51.000 Interesting.

00:03:52.000 It would be wild if we had a breakthrough on this just because it's been almost five years.

00:03:59.000 The FBI said that they had reviewed thousands of hours of footage, interviewed hundreds, if not thousands of people, really investigated this and gotten nowhere for so long.

00:04:09.000 And that, as you know, Andrew, drove so much speculation.

00:04:12.000 We had recent speculation it was somebody else just within the last month.

00:04:17.000 But also, I think you remember we talked to Darren Beattie a lot.

00:04:21.000 He thought the pipe bomber might really be this key to cracking what might have been a plan on January 6th.

00:04:29.000 It's just been this long-running thing.

00:04:32.000 I think that was one of the first shows I did with Charlie when I joined almost three years ago was us discussing the J6 pipe bomber and the ongoing drama around it.

00:04:40.000 So I think we're all very interested and excited to see what they reveal over the course of today.

00:04:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:47.000 So if we, so let's play this out here, Blake.

00:04:50.000 If this person ends up being, as some outlets have already reported, associated with Antifa or having connections to Antifa or similar ideologies, you mentioned he might be an anarchist.

00:05:00.000 I don't really necessarily see a differentiation between those two ideologies on some level.

00:05:05.000 If we find that out to be the case, and you know Darren well, we had him on the show a lot of times going through why this could be potentially a linchpin to unraveling all of the mystery around January 6th.

00:05:19.000 What does that do to our theories of the case?

00:05:22.000 What does that mean in terms of the ramifications, right?

00:05:26.000 These allegations, speculations of a grander conspiracy, of coordinated conspiracy.

00:05:32.000 Are they dashed?

00:05:33.000 Does it add new light on it?

00:05:35.000 Does it fuel them further?

00:05:36.000 Well, I'm sure we could probably talk to Darren or Mike Benz.

00:05:42.000 I'm sure they're both digging deep into this.

00:05:44.000 But I guess one of the core of the idea was that it should have been extremely trivially easy for them to identify the pipe bomber, that they had a lot of this evidence, that not all of the evidence had been released.

00:05:58.000 I remember there was a lot of fixation on how they had more footage of the pipe bomber than they'd actually let out to the public.

00:06:06.000 And it was grainy.

00:06:07.000 It was missing frames.

00:06:10.000 Yeah, so what will be very interesting is now that they're charging somebody, we're going to, well, all of the evidence is going to have to come out because it's going to be part of the trial.

00:06:18.000 And they'll have to lay out how did they identify this person.

00:06:21.000 And we'll get, I think, a better insight into why it took so long and what the supposed breakthrough was.

00:06:27.000 And that could be the final piece of that jigsaw that makes it all come together.

00:06:31.000 They might have a very plausible explanation of why there were so many blind alleys or why this was so difficult.

00:06:37.000 Or that answer might be somewhat unsatisfying.

00:06:41.000 But they have certainly made the superficial showing of this being a serious thing.

00:06:46.000 In 2023, they raised a reward for information leading to an arrest from $100,000 to $500,000.

00:06:54.000 So there was this fat pot of money available if someone was able to identify a suspect.

00:07:01.000 And I suspect if someone had known and they were just being denied and shut down, they could have gone to the press about it.

00:07:07.000 So I think I'm hopeful this will be a real breakthrough.

00:07:11.000 And we don't want our government to be doing weird plots or weird agent provocateur stuff.

00:07:17.000 So I would be very happy if it did turn out that was not the case.

00:07:20.000 Yeah, no, it's the same, actually.

00:07:22.000 You know, I think, you know, us on the right, we should be relieved if they actually get the suspect and we identify it.

00:07:29.000 It's beyond a shadow of a doubt and the facts bear out.

00:07:32.000 But just to bring everybody kind of up to speed on some of these different pieces here.

00:07:37.000 So in these pipe bombs were live and viable.

00:07:41.000 Now, there's some disagreement behind whether or not they were, you could detonate them successfully.

00:07:47.000 So I don't know if you would chalk that up to competency or if it was an intentional ruse, what it could be, not sure.

00:07:54.000 But they contained homemade black powder, kitchen timers, and other components capable of detonation, and they could have caused serious injury or death if they had exploded.

00:08:03.000 Why that point is important is because you had Kamala Harris walking within 20 feet of these pipe bombs, and we have not heard a peep out of the Democrats on this very, very suspicious story.

00:08:15.000 So that's one little nugget that I think we need to hold in the back of our thoughts as we do this.

00:08:20.000 The other thing is, as you mentioned before, there was reporting within the last month by Stephen Baker, who they were talking about this gate analysis, this gate signature, that what they were trying to say was a 94%, some people say 96% or 98% match to a former Capitol Police personnel.

00:08:43.000 And, you know, so one has to wonder: did that force pressure with inside the FBI, with inside the intelligence agency, to get to the bottom of this?

00:08:52.000 And now, one other really important fact is that when Dan Bongino, Kash Patel, came into the FBI, there was a team that was already working on this.

00:09:01.000 They augmented the team and they completely switched out those who were investigating this.

00:09:06.000 So they brought in a new team, they made it larger.

00:09:10.000 And perhaps this is what has led to this end result: that they've got somebody they believe is the actual perpetrator in this case.

00:09:18.000 So one has to wonder what machinations were going on behind the scenes that within one month of this other story, we get this new story.

00:09:28.000 And we were told, if this ends up being true, that Antifa had nothing to do with J6, right?

00:09:34.000 This was a right-wing coordinated assault, sedition.

00:09:37.000 This was an assault on our capital and our very democracy.

00:09:41.000 So if it turns out that a member of Antifa or somebody with close ties to Antifa was in fact behind what I would say is the most serious and destructive and dangerous aspect of that whole saga, then we have a whole new series of questions about what this means and what the significance of this day and this act really truly were.

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00:11:14.000 Blake, what are you seeing?

00:11:16.000 You know, so nothing breaking immediately.

00:11:19.000 I think we're going to get a lot out of this press conference, and hopefully Julie will have some info from her sources.

00:11:24.000 But I've really just been thinking about what you said where they rotated out the investigators.

00:11:29.000 And it's so emblematic, I think, of the change that we would have wanted to see in our FBI, in our federal law enforcement, because under the Biden administration, we had four years of, as they called it, the largest manhunt ever to find every single person who set one atom of their body within the Capitol, whether they attacked anyone or did anything or had any ill intent whatsoever.

00:11:54.000 And then we had a total, total failure to find this pipe bomber. 0.82

00:11:58.000 And that they seem to very much downplay it.

00:12:01.000 They didn't talk about it as much.

00:12:02.000 That's also what drove a lot of the suspicion about it that they might have been trying to hide something because you would have thought they would have, frankly, politically exploited it more otherwise.

00:12:13.000 And then, you know, new people, we push aside all of the random grandmas being prosecuted.

00:12:21.000 And we have suddenly, it seems like we have a good breakthrough on the actual person who seemed to have intended to kill people with a bomb, which we had so many FBI investigations of Catholics going to mass, of people who, you know, deciding who was a potential extremist, and so little on the clear, obvious threats that directly go after Americans' lives.

00:12:47.000 And I think if they can bring this to a successful conclusion, that would be, it would be good for the country.

00:12:52.000 We should have an FBI that finds terrorists, that finds killers, and brings them to justice.

00:12:58.000 That is what we want.

00:12:59.000 We don't need a secret police force monitoring what churches people go to.

00:13:03.000 Well, listen, if he does have anarchist ties, ideological ties, Antifa ties, whatever we end up discovering, like I said in the previous segment, I think this opens up just a whole slew of new questions, Blake, insofar as, you know, were there infiltrations?

00:13:20.000 Was there any conspiracy or coordination across groups?

00:13:23.000 Were, you know, we've already seen the myriad of video evidence that shows that Capitol police officers were waiving people in, that they were sort of cooperating.

00:13:34.000 Now, that wasn't the case in every single scene within the Capitol.

00:13:37.000 Nobody is suggesting that.

00:13:39.000 But what we are saying is that there are big questions that remain: who knew what and when?

00:13:45.000 Were precautions not taken when they should have been taken?

00:13:48.000 There's been much made about President Trump offering the National Guard and those invitations.

00:13:54.000 They have to be requested at the congressional level, namely Pelosi, Muriel Bowser.

00:13:59.000 They did not request them.

00:14:00.000 They did not take President Trump up on those offers.

00:14:04.000 So why not?

00:14:05.000 Maybe there's an innocuous explanation.

00:14:07.000 Maybe it is more sinister.

00:14:09.000 I think those are fine things to investigate and we need to get to the bottom of it.

00:14:12.000 But if there is Antifa present, if there were instigations present and why those haven't been pursued, why they haven't been investigated.

00:14:22.000 But meanwhile, as you said, Blake, we have thrown every grandma we can find that put so much as a pinky toe inside the Capitol, then we have a serious issue of political weaponization of the federal law enforcement agencies, namely the FBI and a lot of the surrounding judges and jurisdictions that oversaw those cases.

00:14:42.000 And that's a huge problem.

00:14:43.000 That is a problem akin to the level of, you know, surveilling Catholic churches or surveilling parents that go to school boards because they don't want to see their trans ideology shoved down the throat of their children.

00:14:55.000 This is a huge, huge tell.

00:14:57.000 This is the dog that didn't bark.

00:14:59.000 The silence is deafening.

00:15:00.000 To your point, why did they not investigate the pipe bomber more rigorously?

00:15:05.000 Why was there not more of a political exploitation of that on behalf of the Democrat Party?

00:15:10.000 They're good at exploiting every other thing, whether that be Venezuelan drug boats getting bombed, whether that be leaked phone calls, perfectly fine phone calls in Venezuela.

00:15:20.000 They will exploit everything to maximize their advantage politically.

00:15:24.000 We have seen this over and over and over again.

00:15:26.000 And then when you call them out on that, they will play the victim and say that, oh, I must be over the target.

00:15:31.000 Well, no, actually, you're just guilty of wrongdoing, Mark Kelly.

00:15:34.000 So why did they not do that in this instance?

00:15:36.000 The dog that didn't bark, I think, is the tell.

00:15:38.000 And we have to ask ourselves why.

00:15:40.000 What did they know and when?

00:15:40.000 Why?

00:15:42.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:15:44.000 And but I think, again, we should be grateful.

00:15:47.000 We should be grateful if we caught a person.

00:15:49.000 And it feels weird.

00:15:51.000 I guess we should be grateful if they just didn't politicize the thing and they also weren't covering it up.

00:15:56.000 That's a good thing for the country.

00:15:58.000 We should not complain if Democrats should do a bad thing.

00:16:04.000 We do have to live with them.

00:16:05.000 We do live in the same country as them and that's unlikely to change.

00:16:08.000 Oh, you're far too generous, Blake.

00:16:10.000 You're far too generous.

00:16:12.000 I probably am.

00:16:14.000 I simply believe that it is beyond the pale.

00:16:17.000 It bends credulity, if not breaks it outright, to believe that they would not politically exploit the vice president of the United States nearly getting blown up by a pipe bomb if they did not see a political advantage in doing so.

00:16:30.000 So I can't see it.

00:16:34.000 I will throw up my hands.

00:16:37.000 If that ends up being true, I will eat Crow publicly and loudly on this show, but I just can't see it. 1.00

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00:17:48.000 All right, without further ado, Julie Kelly is joining the show.

00:17:52.000 You can find her at declassified.live on Substack.

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00:17:57.000 Or at Julie underscore Kelly2 on X. Julie, a lot of breaking news around this story.

00:18:04.000 We've got a press conference coming up at 1 p.m. Eastern.

00:18:07.000 Tell us what you know and the significance of it.

00:18:10.000 The floor is yours.

00:18:11.000 So, I mean, this is one of the biggest unsolved mysteries of January 6th.

00:18:15.000 Who was that individual in the hoodie who was on surveillance video walking around Capitol Hill for an hour the night of January 5th, who allegedly planted those two devices, one outside the headquarters of the DNC, where Kamala Harris went on January 6th, and then one outside of the headquarters of the RNC.

00:18:35.000 So it appears that after restarting this cold case, inexplicably just dropped by Chris Ray's FBI in early 2021, following a few months of really intensive investigation, Andrew, all of a sudden the case was dropped and memory hold for years.

00:18:54.000 Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, taking the reins of the FBI, making this a priority, devoting new resources, new technologies, looking at the old evidence.

00:19:04.000 And now it appears that they have arrested a man, Brian Cole, is being reported from Virginia.

00:19:12.000 He is apparently the individual who was seen in that hoodie on the night of January 5th planting those devices.

00:19:19.000 So yes, press conference at one o'clock.

00:19:21.000 We will hear a lot more details.

00:19:22.000 But again, this does solve a major unsolved mystery.

00:19:27.000 Big open question about the events of January 6th.

00:19:31.000 So you had reported earlier, Julie, that there was at least some reporting about potential ties to Antifa.

00:19:38.000 We're seeing him, this individual, be described as an anarchist.

00:19:42.000 What do we know about Brian Cole at this point?

00:19:46.000 So nothing.

00:19:47.000 Everything is kind of being pieced together, corporate news and their sources.

00:19:51.000 I'm, you know, hearing from my sources as well.

00:19:54.000 I think what we learn at one o'clock will be very interesting to say the least.

00:20:00.000 But if this is true, and I believe he's being reported as 30 years old, that would have made him 25, 26 on January 6th of 2021.

00:20:10.000 Yes, some reporting that he's tied to Antifa, the anti-fascist movement at the time, which you guys makes a lot of sense, right?

00:20:18.000 This would make a lot of sense as to why the Chris Ray FBI, aside from occasionally, you know, reposting this video that they had pieced together, also that had been manipulated, that, oh gee, we don't have the cell phone data.

00:20:34.000 OG, we didn't really investigate the people who discovered the devices on January 6th, you know, everything we have learned in documents since that point.

00:20:42.000 But if this individual is Antifa, then it makes perfect sense why Chris Ray, who insisted early on that Antifa was not involved in the events of January 6th, why they would have buried this investigation, because it would have not only undermined the whole January 6th insurrection that was being built at the time in early 2021, but completely contradict Chris Ray's insistence without evidence before he could even know who was at the Capitol,

00:21:10.000 his insistence early on that Antifa did not play a role in what happened on January 6th.

00:21:15.000 Fascinating.

00:21:16.000 I had forgotten that little detail about Christopher Ray's insistence that Antifa was not involved.

00:21:23.000 Now, I'm going to play this clip, and it is, I believe, from December of 2024.

00:21:28.000 And it's the Inspector General's report that it basically confirmed that there were confidential sources embedded within the crowd.

00:21:36.000 And then I'm going to link it back to some of the behavior of the FBI since PlayCut 322.

00:21:43.000 There were three confidential human sources tasked by the Bureau to be in the crowd on January 6th to specifically watch what the report states is concerns over domestic terrorism.

00:21:53.000 Out of those three, Sandra and John, one entered the Capitol, two others entered a restricted area.

00:21:59.000 The report says the FBI did not encourage or authorize any sources to go into the building or a restricted area.

00:22:05.000 In addition to the three confidential human sources, the FBI told there were 23 that were there on their own.

00:22:14.000 So we had a total of 26 confidential sources.

00:22:17.000 You have, it seems as though FBI director, former FBI director Ray, going out of his way to say that Antifa was not involved.

00:22:25.000 And yet here we have what could be a connection to somebody with ties to Antifa.

00:22:33.000 The question then becomes: why did they not seemingly, why did they close the door on that aspect of these ties to Antifa?

00:22:43.000 But secondly, why did the Democrats not politically exploit the fact that the sitting vice president of the United States almost got blown up by a pipe bomb?

00:22:51.000 Right.

00:22:51.000 So, I mean, Andrew, this is something that I've always found so interesting is that Kamala Harris, we don't know why.

00:22:58.000 She left the Capitol shortly after 11 o'clock, 11:15 on January 6th, and went to DNC headquarters.

00:23:06.000 We never knew why.

00:23:09.000 Why was she leaving the Capitol? 0.98

00:23:10.000 She was the sitting U.S. Senator at the time, recall, from California. 0.99

00:23:14.000 She was going to be part of the proceedings that day. 0.98

00:23:17.000 Also, the historic, you know, history-making incoming first black female vice president. 1.00

00:23:24.000 So, why would she leave there where all the reporters are and everyone's there swooning over her to go to the DNC headquarters?

00:23:31.000 She never talked about why, and she certainly never talks about her near death, her near brush with death, assassination at the hands of this MAGA bomber, which is something we were also told.

00:23:44.000 In her book, she only addresses the pipe bombs once in like two sentences and says how she was there calling supporters or donors, thanking them for their support, which also is odd.

00:23:57.000 But you would think she would have devoted an entire chapter to, you know, her trauma in surviving this near brush with death, as I said, from this device that was sitting outside the DNC, that her detail missed, that two rounds of bomb-sniffing canine units missed as well.

00:24:15.000 DC Metro police missed, Capitol Hill police missed.

00:24:19.000 Because if this is correct, that the device was set the night before, it would have been sitting there outside the DNC for 17 hours and no one detected it.

00:24:28.000 So I do want to emphasize, even though there is this individual in custody allegedly who planted those devices that night, still, we're still going to have a lot of questions.

00:24:40.000 Are there ties between him and say the individual, the woman who found the device outside the RNC right at 1240 on that day?

00:24:47.000 She also was tied to law enforcement.

00:24:50.000 What about the idea outside of the DNC that everyone, including the Secret Service, missed this device sitting outside underneath a bush in between two benches right next to the driveway where police vehicles were in and out for hours before that device was allegedly discovered at about 105, 107 on January 6th?

00:25:11.000 So we're still going to figure out how to piece this together if there is a tie between this individual, the individuals who discovered it, or if those devices that were planted were really the ones that were found.

00:25:24.000 Because I have always contended that I thought those devices were planted right before they were found that day.

00:25:30.000 So I'm keeping an open mind to see what the FBI is going to say at one o'clock.

00:25:35.000 But this doesn't solve the pipe bomb mystery, let's put it that way.

00:25:40.000 But it does add a very important puzzle piece to trying to figure out what exactly happened.

00:25:46.000 And I find this interesting too.

00:25:48.000 And I brought this up with Blake.

00:25:49.000 And Blake, please feel free to jump in here, but I find it interesting that we had this, you know, this story from about a month ago where we were talking about gate signature analysis, you know, 96% match.

00:26:05.000 And I'm assuming that that must have caused quite an uproar within the FBI.

00:26:11.000 And then within a month, we get this arrest.

00:26:15.000 You sort of wonder what was playing on behind the scenes.

00:26:18.000 Has your reporting indicated that this, maybe that initial story accelerated the pace at which this investigation was playing out?

00:26:25.000 Or is there something else we don't know?

00:26:28.000 I don't know.

00:26:28.000 I mean, I was on your show, I think, the day after, two days after that Blaze report dropped.

00:26:34.000 I thought it was very sketchy using this gate analysis that was never published, using video samples that also were never published.

00:26:43.000 So that's also going to be interesting.

00:26:45.000 Was this report intended to undermine the leadership of the FBI, which we know that it was because the people who are peddling it and pushing it are anti-Trump, anti-Kash Patel, anti-Dan Bongino influencers and reporters?

00:27:00.000 Was it doing what we're seeing now, which is, oh, will this push the FBI to come up with this suspect?

00:27:08.000 I know from my own sourcing that's not true.

00:27:11.000 I mean, as soon as Cash and Dan, especially Dan, who covered the pipe bomb story a lot, and I was on his show a lot talking about it, this was a priority.

00:27:20.000 But you're taking a cold case that was years old, also trying to work with whatever has been left over from the Chris Ray FBI, probably destroyed evidence, hidden evidence.

00:27:32.000 Maybe there was something in burned bags.

00:27:34.000 Who knows?

00:27:35.000 As I always said, Chris Ray didn't leave evidence to things that we want to find out.

00:27:39.000 didn't leave that in little neat folders on Kash Patel's desk.

00:27:44.000 So they've had to dig around for a lot.

00:27:46.000 Is this part of it?

00:27:48.000 But I don't think I can say with certainty that that blazed bomb report did not hasten or accelerate this investigation or this arrest today.

00:27:58.000 This has been something that's been in the works for months, a priority by both Cash and Dan.

00:28:04.000 And now I think a lot of people are going to have egg on their face because my understanding is the evidence against the suspect is extremely strong.

00:28:13.000 Okay.

00:28:13.000 Well, we will have to take you at your word on that, Julie.

00:28:16.000 Thank you for your quick reporting.

00:28:17.000 Quick response time here.

00:28:19.000 I know you've had a busy morning because this has been a story you've been on since the very beginning.

00:28:24.000 You, Darren Beattie, deserve a lot of credit for keeping this front and center in our consciousness.

00:28:29.000 So thank you so much.

00:28:30.000 Julie Kelly, declassified.live substack and Julie underscore Kelly2 on X. Give her a follow.

00:28:37.000 She's a great follower.

00:28:38.000 I check her stuff literally every day.

00:28:40.000 So thank you, Julie.

00:28:41.000 Thanks, Andrew.

00:28:42.000 Thanks, guys.

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00:29:47.000 Blake, what do you make of any of that reporting, that news from Julie, before we hear from them and the press conference?

00:29:54.000 I guess I just, I don't think we should downplay it.

00:29:56.000 It's, as she said, it is a puzzle piece if we have arrested a suspect, but it's a pretty big puzzle piece, I think.

00:30:05.000 It is one of those things.

00:30:06.000 It's a lot like other news stories where because there was just this mystery at the heart of it for so long, it just sucked in so much speculation, so many theories.

00:30:18.000 And you know how I am on a lot of things.

00:30:21.000 I like us to, let's dial back, let's remember what we actually know for sure.

00:30:25.000 And what we know for sure is we had these pipe bombs and it was of uncertain origin.

00:30:31.000 And it was always possible.

00:30:33.000 It was just going to be a complete freak coincidence.

00:30:36.000 It happened the same day as everything that went down at the Capitol.

00:30:40.000 Yeah, I mean, it could have just been a freak coincidence.

00:30:42.000 I mean, listen, you have thousands and thousands, thousands of people expected in DC.

00:30:48.000 There's going to be a lot of people that come out for that.

00:30:49.000 I mean, there just is.

00:30:51.000 You're basically putting a sign out saying, welcome.

00:30:53.000 We had this breaking news come upon us, but candidly, we could talk about this clip a lot.

00:30:58.000 We could help this clip.

00:31:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:31:02.000 So let's go ahead and play this.

00:31:03.000 This is Senator Warner.

00:31:05.000 And I just can't say how wild it is that they are saying these things out loud and doing it in a respectable way on MSM, Legacy Media, and getting away with it.

00:31:16.000 Let's go ahead and play Cut 304.

00:31:18.000 I think in many ways, the uniform military may help save us from this president and his lame people like Hag Seth because I think their commitment is to the Constitution and obviously not to Trump.

00:31:31.000 And I expect Bradley to adhere to that.

00:31:34.000 It's frustrating.

00:31:35.000 It's one of the, we discussed this with the first clip.

00:31:38.000 What's so dangerous about this is everything they say, you can always have plausible deniability.

00:31:44.000 You can say they're not directly advocating these things.

00:31:48.000 And we would, of course, get frustrated when they would try to abuse laws in our direction to try to take, you know, debatable statements.

00:31:55.000 But it is incredibly reckless behavior.

00:31:57.000 The president is the commander in chief of the armed forces.

00:32:01.000 He calls the shots.

00:32:03.000 And when you are sowing discord in this way, where you're just coming out and like laying out here, oh man, we really think we think these uniformed service members could really help us prevent bad things from this administration.

00:32:16.000 They're laying the groundwork for a constitutional crisis.

00:32:19.000 They are, in my opinion, their intent is clear.

00:32:22.000 Whether they're calling for insurrection or not, they clearly think that would be a politically useful thing.

00:32:29.000 And that's an incredibly selfish behavior to do.

00:32:33.000 It's an incredibly destructive behavior to do because at that point, you practically don't have a country.

00:32:40.000 There are a lot of countries, a lot of countries in Latin America that a lot of countries around the world that have just become for decades dysfunctional because they have a military that decides it just calls the shots independent of its actual elected leadership.

00:32:57.000 And Donald Trump is the actual elected leadership of the United States military.

00:33:01.000 You know, we're talking about Venezuela here, too.

00:33:04.000 Before he became the head of his country, Hugo Chavez, he tried to take over through the old-fashioned military coup d'état away.

00:33:11.000 That is what happens in countries that are breaking down.

00:33:14.000 Yeah, I mean, so let's put together the step-by-step process here, just for the sake of the audience here, Blake.

00:33:19.000 We've got step one is release a video by the seditious six saying, please, military, you know, refuse to obey what they said was illegal orders.

00:33:29.000 But who?

00:33:29.000 What's an illegal order?

00:33:30.000 What are they even mentioning?

00:33:31.000 What are they?

00:33:32.000 And they say, oh, we're trying to head this off at the past.

00:33:35.000 We're just reminding them of their duty.

00:33:37.000 So they say, please ignore these orders.

00:33:40.000 Step two, go on a media tour when you get called out and play the victim.

00:33:45.000 Step three is, oh, whoops, here's a Washington Post anonymously sourced article that suggests that Secretary of War Pete Hegseth is guilty of committing war crimes by bombing these narco-terrorist boats in the Caribbean.

00:34:01.000 And then here we go.

00:34:03.000 Now they're saying step five, step four, say, oh, you might get prosecuted if you do illegal things.

00:34:08.000 And we're really, this is a really terrible place to be putting our armed uniformed military personnel in such a, it's such a bind that it shouldn't be up to them. 0.95

00:34:17.000 This president is such a mean, terrible president.

00:34:19.000 Secretary Hegseth has to go. 0.98

00:34:21.000 And now they're saying that, oh, well, guess what?

00:34:25.000 The military could save us.

00:34:27.000 So you are seeding the ground for a military coup d'état, as you said, a military junta.

00:34:33.000 And this is something we've seen in the Blake.

00:34:35.000 What's funny about this is you have been the most loud voice in the room just about every time I can remember of talking about the third worldization of the United States government, of our customs and our norms, of our institutions. 0.77

00:34:49.000 And we all sort of thought, you know what, they're not going to touch the military.

00:34:52.000 They can't.

00:34:53.000 There's too much discipline.

00:34:55.000 There's too much tradition and heritage.

00:34:57.000 There's just too much there.

00:34:58.000 They can't overtake that, especially with the type of people who go in the military.

00:35:01.000 And here they are going straight for it.

00:35:03.000 And it almost feels like a game of political chicken.

00:35:06.000 Like they're dare, like Mark Kelly, Senator Warner now, they're daring people to restore the chain of command, which is the president, the civil authority duly elected by the people of the United States to command the armed forces.

00:35:19.000 It's a game of chicken.

00:35:20.000 They're saying, we come at us.

00:35:21.000 I dare you to make me a martyr here.

00:35:25.000 I dare you to prosecute me.

00:35:27.000 And that's it.

00:35:29.000 It is one of those frustrating things because I've argued, I don't, I think it probably would be a mistake, certainly for Mark Kelly, who's the one they've, you know, made, thrown the most signals at.

00:35:37.000 I think it would be very dicey.

00:35:39.000 We have a best example to go off of, which is the attempted, the attempt to imprison Donald Trump in 2023 and 2024 paved the way for him to return to the White House.

00:35:50.000 It was one of the most important factors.

00:35:52.000 Trying to imprison your opponents has a lot of downsides to it.

00:35:57.000 And I think they may even be realizing that.

00:36:00.000 They may be trying to provoke the president into making a mistake.

00:36:04.000 And I still lean that way, but I still think what they're doing is incredibly reckless, incredibly harmful, incredibly bad for the country.

00:36:11.000 And we're going to have to keep saying so.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 04, 2025

An Unexpected J6 Pipe Bomb Arrest

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