The Charlie Kirk Show - Analyzing the Redacted Affidavit

00:00:00.000 As the affidavit is released in real time here on the program, we bring on Mike Davis, Article 3 Project, Alan Bakari of Breitbart, John Solomon of Just the News joins me in studio.

00:00:11.000 And then we bring Mike Davis back on after he has a chance to read the thing.

00:00:14.000 And Devin Nunes, the former House Intelligence Chairman.

00:00:18.000 We break down everything that you need to know about the affidavit.

00:00:22.000 This is a preemptive coup to stop Trump from running in 2024.

00:00:26.000 Jack Pesovic on the Charlie Kirk show.

00:00:28.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:29.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

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00:01:09.000 How do you guys handle things when they're a big news item that's controversial?

00:01:15.000 Like there was a lot of attention on Twitter during the election because of the Hunter Biden laptop story, the Neo-West.

00:01:24.000 Yeah, so you guys censored that as well?

00:01:26.000 I mean, basically, the background here is the FBI, I think, basically came to us, some folks on our team, and was like, hey, just so you know, like you should be on high alert.

00:01:36.000 There was we thought that there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election.

00:01:41.000 We have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump of that's similar to that.

00:01:50.000 So just be vigilant.

00:01:52.000 So when you say the distribution has decreased, it got shared.

00:01:56.000 How does that work?

00:01:56.000 It basically the ranking in newsfeed was a little bit less.

00:01:59.000 So fewer people saw it than would have otherwise.

00:02:02.000 So it definitely, by what percentage?

00:02:05.000 I don't know off the top of my head, but it's meaningful.

00:02:09.000 So the FBI censored the story.

00:02:12.000 Just to recap, in case you didn't live in this country prior to two years ago, that's not allowed.

00:02:17.000 You're not allowed to do that.

00:02:18.000 That is election interference.

00:02:20.000 That is an attack on democracy by our most powerful domestic government agency.

00:02:27.000 It's unbelievable.

00:02:29.000 You would think that these companies would be independent, but clearly they're not.

00:02:33.000 The FBI picks up the phone and says, you know, censor a story about Hunter Biden because there's also Russia disinformation, and they do just that.

00:02:43.000 Meanwhile, the story was true.

00:02:44.000 The New York Post reported all accurate findings of that laptop.

00:02:49.000 But President Biden just trashed 70 million Trump supporters.

00:02:52.000 Again, the Republicans have made their choice to go backwards, full of anger, violence, hate, and division.

00:03:00.000 I don't respect these MAGA Republicans.

00:03:02.000 The MAGA Republicans don't just threaten our personal rights and economic security.

00:03:07.000 They're a threat to our very democracy.

00:03:09.000 They embrace, embrace political violence.

00:03:12.000 But Biden really didn't feel like he nailed it.

00:03:14.000 So he went a step further saying this, quote, what we're seeing now is the beginning or the death knell of an extreme MAGA philosophy.

00:03:21.000 It's not just Trump.

00:03:22.000 It's the entire philosophy.

00:03:24.000 Wait for it.

00:03:25.000 It's like semi-fascism.

00:03:27.000 Jack Posobic here in for Charlie Kirk.

00:03:31.000 Massive show today, huge PAC show.

00:03:33.000 We've got Mike Davis coming on the Article 3 project.

00:03:36.000 We're also going to have Alan Bakari.

00:03:38.000 We're going to get into this latest admission by Mark Zuckerberg that he did positively receive what we're told on this Joe Rogan interview, a visit said the FBI came to us and told us that we needed to censor things on Facebook during the election.

00:03:58.000 And then he gets into this weird semantics argument that says, oh, no, it was just diminished distribution.

00:04:03.000 And then Rogan says, well, how much is it?

00:04:05.000 And he said, well, it was significant.

00:04:07.000 But Rogan doesn't actually call him on that.

00:04:10.000 He said, wait a minute.

00:04:11.000 You said it was diminished distribution.

00:04:12.000 It wasn't censorship.

00:04:14.000 But then you said it was a little bit, but then you said it was significant.

00:04:17.000 So which is it, right?

00:04:19.000 When you have an interview subject and they're saying, especially when it's someone who's, for all intents and purposes, an American oligarch like Mark Zuckerberg, a guy who we know was spending millions, hundreds of millions of dollars of his own money to influence the election, you have to call them when they change their story on something.

00:04:39.000 You can't just leave this stuff aside.

00:04:41.000 You have to say, wait a minute, you just said it was a little bit.

00:04:43.000 Now you said it was significant.

00:04:45.000 What was it?

00:04:46.000 What was the number?

00:04:47.000 What was the percentage?

00:04:48.000 And of course, he doesn't actually tell him.

00:04:50.000 We've got Mike Davis here with us from the Article 3 project.

00:04:53.000 And just to give everyone the context before we go in, in case you've been living under some kind of rock, the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago, the private home residence of President Donald J. Trump.

00:05:05.000 They did this under the predicate, we're told, some leaked information that's come out.

00:05:09.000 Under the predicate, there may have been classified information, national security information, presidential records.

00:05:14.000 There's all of these questions about what potentially could have been there.

00:05:18.000 But we know that the FBI went to this magistrate judge, Bruce Reiner.

00:05:23.000 He's ruling that it should be released and it should be released noon today, and that it should be coming up as soon as possible.

00:05:29.000 I want to go to Mike Davis to bring him in right now.

00:05:32.000 Mike, Mike, what are you hearing?

00:05:33.000 Do we have this thing yet?

00:05:35.000 It looks like it's going up.

00:05:37.000 And as you said, PACER is actually just crashed.

00:05:41.000 The PACER website just crashed.

00:05:42.000 Yeah, so that makes sense.

00:05:44.000 I mean, it's the government.

00:05:45.000 Why would it function properly?

00:05:46.000 So, yeah, I mean, this isn't going to be a surprise to anyone.

00:05:50.000 This biased magistrate judge, Bruce Reinhart, who just recused from President Trump's civil lawsuit versus Hillary Clinton on June 22nd, eight weeks ago, because he has a clear judicial bias against President Trump, as evidenced by his 2017 Facebook post trashing President Trump.

00:06:07.000 Somehow, this bias magically went away over six weeks, and now he's going to rubber stamp this redacted version of this affidavit.

00:06:16.000 This judge has the exact same incentives as the Biden Justice Department to cover their tracks here because they work together to obtain and order an unlawful, unnecessary, unprecedented home raid of a former president who happens to be the Biden Justice Department's boss's chief political ramble for 2024.

00:06:39.000 So it's not going to be a surprise today.

00:06:42.000 Lots of blackout.

00:06:43.000 Look, Pete, this is a day that people really want that granular detail.

00:06:47.000 This is the kind of day where we know because we've seen the FISA application all the way back when they used that to spy on the president's campaign.

00:06:54.000 Oh, I'm sorry, insert surveillance operatives and clandestine human sources, right?

00:06:59.000 Come on.

00:07:00.000 I've been on the other side of that aisle.

00:07:01.000 It's a spy, right?

00:07:02.000 You know, say, call it what it is.

00:07:04.000 What should we expect to see in an affidavit like this?

00:07:08.000 Let's take out the fact that it is President Trump.

00:07:10.000 Just what type of language, what type of material would normally be included in an affidavit like this to a judge?

00:07:17.000 What it would show, it would be very factual.

00:07:22.000 It would have hearsay statements.

00:07:24.000 It would have statements from federal agents.

00:07:26.000 And it would show that it would try to, it would try to lay out factual allegations that would amount to probable cause that a crime occurred.

00:07:36.000 And so that's what they're looking at.

00:07:37.000 They're looking at a potential violation of the Espionage Act.

00:07:41.000 They're looking at a potential violation of a separate statute that relates to the destruction or theft of government records.

00:07:49.000 And then they're looking at a third crime related to obstruction of those prior two charges.

00:07:56.000 And as a matter of law, it is impossible for President Trump to have committed any of those three crimes because President Trump had the absolute constitutional authority as commander-in-chief to declassify anything he wanted in any manner he wanted for any reason he wanted.

00:08:14.000 And he didn't have to jump through any hoops or get Congress's or his any bureaucrats' permission to do that.

00:08:20.000 So that's number one.

00:08:21.000 That's a 1988 decision, Department of the Navy versus Egan.

00:08:24.000 There is no way that Trump, as a matter of law, could have violated the Espionage Act.

00:08:28.000 Well, so let's, and I want to bring this along for the folks not in the chat or folks who aren't lawyers.

00:08:34.000 The idea is the warrant came first.

00:08:37.000 And I was able to break that on my show, Human Events Daily.

00:08:41.000 We were the first place anywhere in the world to break the full search warrant, as well as the underlying materials for this that were taken, the inventory from the search.

00:08:51.000 But of course, the way that this works is it's actually backwards.

00:08:55.000 So the inventory is last, then the warrant, then, but the affidavit was first.

00:08:59.000 The affidavit was the real background document that they never shared with Trump's attorneys.

00:09:05.000 So they're going to be seeing this.

00:09:06.000 And correct me if I'm wrong, Mike, but will Trump's attorneys be seeing this in real time along with all of us?

00:09:11.000 Yes.

00:09:12.000 And so normally they don't turn over the affidavit on these warrants.

00:09:17.000 But what this is different, that the difference here is this is an unprecedented, unnecessary, and unlawful home raid of a former president.

00:09:25.000 And they've been selectively leaking, the Biden Justice Department is selectively leaking out of this affidavit to paint a narrative, a false narrative.

00:09:35.000 They've also been leaking grand jury material, which is illegal.

00:09:39.000 They've also been putting out there that the Attorney General did not personally approve this home raid, which is nonsense.

00:09:46.000 We know that he did.

00:09:47.000 They leaked out that Trump had nuclear documents, which is also nonsense.

00:09:52.000 He didn't have nuclear documents as evidenced by the fact that there aren't Q-level classifications on the raid inventory.

00:09:59.000 Q is Department of Energy classifications for nuclear documents.

00:10:02.000 And then if he had nuclear documents, why did they wait 18 months to go get them?

00:10:06.000 Why did Merrick Garland deliberate for weeks before ordering the raid?

00:10:09.000 Why did they wait three days after this biased judge issued the home warrant to execute it?

00:10:14.000 It's just complete nonsense.

00:10:15.000 The other thing that they said that was nonsense, a lie, was that the Biden White House was not involved with this raid.

00:10:22.000 We know that Deputy White House counsel Jonathan Sue was heavily involved for months on this because, and we know President Trump was, or President Biden was as well, because President Biden had to personally waive former President Trump's assertion of executive privilege.

00:10:37.000 President Biden's the only one who can do it.

00:10:39.000 So they had to waive executive privilege so they can move forward and get this home warrant and do this raid.

00:10:46.000 And as you and I know, Jack, they did this raid because they wanted to get those crossfire hurricane records, those Russian collusion records that President Trump declassified with a memo on January 19th, the day before he left office.

00:11:00.000 It wasn't a magic wand.

00:11:02.000 It wasn't a standing order.

00:11:02.000 It was actually a declassification memo.

00:11:05.000 He actually could have done it through a magic wand or a standing order, but he actually did it with a memo.

00:11:11.000 And the Biden, the Biden Justice Department, the National Archives, the bureaucrats of the National Archives, they dragged their feet and didn't publicly release these documents.

00:11:20.000 Mike, I am seeing one document here up on Court Listener, but if I'm reading it correctly, I believe this is the Department of Justice's notice of filing of their redactions, what they wanted to be redacted.

00:11:34.000 And of course, as usual, much of this, even this document, it's 14 pages long.

00:11:40.000 And even this, much of it is redacted because it's talking about witnesses.

00:11:45.000 And then it says, for example, and the whole page is blacked out.

00:11:48.000 Then the next page, it's talking about witness identities blacked out.

00:11:51.000 The investigative roadmap.

00:11:53.000 So, I want people to understand the investigative roadmap, correct me if I'm wrong, they're talking about the criminal investigation into President Trump.

00:12:00.000 Yes or no?

00:12:01.000 Yes.

00:12:02.000 You cannot get a warrant for a home raid unless there are underlying crimes.

00:12:07.000 And the underlying crimes that they're investigating are the Espionage Act, as we talked about.

00:12:11.000 It's legally impossible for a president of the United States to violate the Espionage Act and how he handles classified materials.

00:12:17.000 The Espionage Act applies to everyone else on the planet except for the sitting president of the United States because he is the commander-in-chief under the Constitution.

00:12:26.000 That 1988 Supreme Court case, Department of the Navy versus Egan, makes that crystal clear.

00:12:30.000 The Biden Justice Department knows this.

00:12:32.000 And so, what we have left, we have this government record issue that Trump kept government records or destroyed government records.

00:12:40.000 Number one, he made a copy of the records personal, which is his absolute sole statutory power under the Presidential Records Act as confirmed by a 2012 case by Tom Fenton and Judicial Watch against Bill Clinton.

00:12:54.000 President Worker, I want to see if we can get any more of this document out.

00:12:58.000 Of course, we're seeing the redactions of the document, but this really is the motion from DOJ.

00:13:03.000 We're still yet to see the actual underlying document from, would that be actually DOJ or FBI?

00:13:08.000 The affidavit?

00:13:10.000 The affidavit would be from, it would be from an agent at the FBI, presumably.

00:13:14.000 That's what the Justice Department Charlie Kirk here.

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00:14:15.000 I've got the headline.

00:14:16.000 It says, redacted affidavit just says orange man bad.

00:14:21.000 Oh, no, wait, sorry, I'm reading that.

00:14:22.000 That's Babylon B. Sorry.

00:14:24.000 Got producer Andrew.

00:14:25.000 Why are you sending me Babylon B links over here?

00:14:28.000 Come on, this is serious work today.

00:14:30.000 It's Babylon B. All right, let's, but we're still waiting for this thing.

00:14:35.000 Now, when it comes in, we're hearing things that there's more restrictions that are coming in on the docket.

00:14:44.000 The court is under the enter the unceiling.

00:14:47.000 They're doing it.

00:14:48.000 They're saying it's protecting civilian witnesses.

00:14:50.000 And Mike, let's just go take it back for a second here.

00:14:54.000 Let's pull back out of the process.

00:14:56.000 What does it say to us that we as a country are stuck here refreshing Twitter and refreshing a 1990s era website to find out why it is that the secret police in this country decided to raid a former president who is, for all intents and purposes, the leader of the opposition, which Joe Biden named him as last night?

00:15:15.000 He specifically named them as enemies of his government.

00:15:19.000 That's what he said last night in Rockville, where there was a guy that ran up screaming and stole the election.

00:15:25.000 So we're now at the mercy, I guess, of Twitter and the tech overlords, who, oh, by the way, Mark Zuckerberg says we're only allowed to see certain things unless he deems he decides that it's his information because the FBI told him.

00:15:39.000 Mike, what's going on?

00:15:41.000 Well, we're not going to see much in this affidavit.

00:15:43.000 They're just going to, the Biden Justice Department's just going to leak it to their friends in the New York Times and the Washington Post to trash Trump because that's what this is all about.

00:15:51.000 This is this whole operation by the Biden Justice Department is to get Trump.

00:15:58.000 Trump has the goods.

00:15:59.000 He has the crossfire, hurricane records, declassified a personal copy.

00:16:03.000 These are highly damaging records that blow up the Russian collusion debacle.

00:16:09.000 Very bad stuff for Obama, for Hillary, for Biden, for the FBI, for the Intel community.

00:16:15.000 President Trump took a copy of it that he declassified on January 19th.

00:16:19.000 And now the same people, the same units at the FBI that did the Russian collusion, the Project Hurricane Mess, the counter-espionage unit, is now going to get their documents.

00:16:30.000 Lied about, right?

00:16:31.000 We know the FBI lied in those affidavits to the FISA court, and it took years and the work of Kash Patel and Devin Nunez and Rick Rinnell and Ratcliffe and everybody else.

00:16:41.000 Hold on, wait, I'm getting a message.

00:16:44.000 I'm getting a message from post-millennial.

00:16:48.000 They're saying at publishing time, the Department of Justice had agreed to declassify more of the document, but the only unredacted line was just re.

00:16:58.000 I mean, it's ridiculous.

00:17:00.000 I think it's ridiculous and it's a joke.

00:17:01.000 It shows that our country is becoming more and more of a banana republic.

00:17:05.000 This idea that we're just going to allow the secret police in this country to run roughshod, absolutely roughshod over our elections.

00:17:13.000 They're running roughshod over our freedoms, and they're running roughshod, by the way, over our future elections, because that's what this is all about.

00:17:21.000 This is about a preemptive coup against President Trump.

00:17:26.000 Look, we know they interfered in the 2016 election.

00:17:29.000 We now hear from Mark Zuckerberg that there was interference in the 2020 election at the behest of the FBI.

00:17:35.000 And now we're seeing interference in the 2024 election, even before it takes place.

00:17:40.000 Yeah, this is part of the pattern of this Justice Department to get Trump.

00:17:46.000 And we've seen this for the last six years.

00:17:48.000 And this is, you know, what we're going to see today is nothing.

00:17:50.000 We're going to see black ink.

00:17:52.000 It's going to be more and more black ink.

00:17:54.000 It's going to be more and more misrepresentations.

00:17:57.000 And even then, of this, the affidavit.

00:18:01.000 And Mike, let's go over the rules of the affidavits.

00:18:03.000 So is hearsay allowed in this?

00:18:06.000 It's under different rules.

00:18:07.000 So walk us through that a little bit.

00:18:09.000 Yeah, this affidavit would not be admissible in court.

00:18:13.000 What you have are agents who are gathering hearsay, they're trying to establish probable cause so they can bring in just about any evidence they want, hearsay, which are out of court statements that aren't subject to cross-examination.

00:18:26.000 So this is a one-sided show, and these affidavits are one-sided.

00:18:31.000 And then the fact that the Biden Justice Department is improperly leaking from this affidavit, how can they say that the public can't see this affidavit, but they're going to leak it to the New York Times and the Washington Post and other media outlets to paint a picture to damage Trump?

00:18:44.000 This is a political hit on President Trump, because again, it is impossible for President Trump to have committed the crimes that they list in the application for the home warrant raid, espionage, government destruction of property, and obstruction.

00:18:58.000 He could not have done that as a matter of law.

00:19:00.000 Okay, so I've just received the affidavit.

00:19:02.000 It is 38 pages long.

00:19:03.000 And Mike, you're exactly right.

00:19:05.000 It's from Politico got it first.

00:19:07.000 Politico has it.

00:19:08.000 Thank you so much, Mike Davis.

00:19:09.000 Article 3 project.

00:19:12.000 Thank you.

00:19:16.000 Okay, I just read the entire affidavit.

00:19:18.000 It's 38 pages long.

00:19:20.000 18 of those pages are redacted.

00:19:24.000 Here's the bit.

00:19:25.000 At the very end of this, by the way, at one point, they cite a Breitbart article that's referring to Kash Patel.

00:19:31.000 And at that point, it's where it says page 19, section 52, excuse me, 53.

00:19:36.000 It says, I'm aware of an article published in Breitbart on May 5th, 2022, available at, and I give the URL, which states that Kash Patel, who is described as a former top former POTUS administrative official, To call him the F POTUS.

00:19:49.000 Actually sounds kind of cool.

00:19:50.000 The Fotis characterized as misleading reports in other news organizations that narrow had found classified materials among records that F POTUS provided to NARA from Mar-a-Lago.

00:20:01.000 Patel alleges that such reports were misleading because F POTUS had declassified the materials at issue.

00:20:10.000 So they already knew even at the beginning of this, with the underlying affidavit that these materials were in question.

00:20:20.000 As to whether or not they had been declassified.

00:20:23.000 Kash Patel, who was a high-level aide for the FPOTIS, the former POTIS, President of United States Donald Trump, had stated that they were declassified.

00:20:32.000 We have a memo.

00:20:34.000 We have a memo from Mark Meadows that states they were declassified.

00:20:39.000 It memorializes the declassification of these documents.

00:20:42.000 So my question is, in these redactions, and I'd love to get, by the way, guys, let's see if we can get Mark Meadows on or get some kind of conversation, you know, some kind of communication with him.

00:20:54.000 Did they go and actually ask Mark Meadows whether or not he approved of this?

00:21:00.000 Did they go and talk to Kash Patel?

00:21:02.000 Or were they just reading stuff online?

00:21:05.000 They cite CBS Miami at one point.

00:21:07.000 And then it goes in here.

00:21:09.000 On June 8th, 2022, DOJ Council sent F POTUS Council 1 a letter which reiterated that the premises are not authorized to store classified information, requested the preservation of the storage room and documents that have been moved from the White House to the premises.

00:21:23.000 Mar-a-Lago does not include a secure location authorized for the storage of classified information.

00:21:27.000 As such, it appears that since the time classified documents blank, and it is blanked out, were removed from the secure facilities at the White House and moved to Mar-a-Lago on around January 20th, 2021, which again, we knew that the president had deemed these to be declassified presidential personal records under the PRA, the Presidential Records Act, and had decided to go through it from the start.

00:21:49.000 And I'm going through this line by line.

00:21:50.000 A lot of it is redacted.

00:21:52.000 Accordingly, we ask that the room at Mar-a-Lago where the documents have been stored to be secured and that all of the boxes were moved from the White House to Mar-a-Lago to be preserved in that room until current condition until further notice.

00:22:04.000 So that's June 8th, 2022.

00:22:06.000 Okay, that's June 8th, 2022.

00:22:08.000 And we've got the article here.

00:22:10.000 All right.

00:22:11.000 So what happened?

00:22:12.000 So between, think about this.

00:22:14.000 That was June 8th.

00:22:15.000 They requested they secure the documents.

00:22:17.000 So then we have two months after that that they knew these documents were there, the documents in question, and they did nothing.

00:22:26.000 It says that they secured the documents.

00:22:28.000 The documents were meant to be secured.

00:22:31.000 And then suddenly, and then it's redacted, And then finally, okay, here we go.

00:22:38.000 Based on this information, I believe that the storage room, F. POTIS's residential suite, Pine Hall, the 45 office, and other spaces within the premises are not currently authorized locations for the storage of classified information.

00:22:50.000 Similarly, based upon this investigation, I do not believe any spaces between the premises have been authorized for the storage of classified information since the end of F POTIS's presidential administration on January 20th, 2021.

00:23:02.000 As described above, evidence of these offenses has been stored in multiple locations at the premises.

00:23:08.000 They're accusing President Trump of a crime.

00:23:10.000 They're accusing him of stealing government property.

00:23:13.000 They're accusing him of stealing classified information, securing classified information improperly, and taking what they call here evidence contraband fruits of crime or other items illegally possessed in violation of the Gibbon statutes.

00:23:30.000 And I'm going through on this.

00:23:32.000 Ladies and gentlemen, they've got the emails and the letters that were sent from the DOJ.

00:23:39.000 They've got the responses from Trump's office in here.

00:23:45.000 There's no explanation in this whatsoever why this required a rate.

00:23:51.000 It said they knew what the documents were, they had an idea of where the documents were.

00:23:55.000 There's no question, certainly anything that was revealed to us in the redactions as to whether or not this was something that the president was going to be.

00:24:06.000 By the way, there's no question here at all about nuclear documents or anything like that.

00:24:10.000 I'm not even seeing it because in the classified section where it's going through telling you what is classified or what's not classified.

00:24:19.000 And if only we had a former intelligence officer who knew all of these acronyms off the top of my head.

00:24:26.000 So it gets into SCI, SI, it doesn't mention TK, but SITK is one of the more common ones, human control systems or HCS, FISA, Orcon, no form.

00:24:37.000 These are all caveats that are placed on.

00:24:40.000 So there's three levels of classification, essentially.

00:24:44.000 Confidential secret, top secret.

00:24:46.000 There's also unclassified, which is obviously a form of unclass or another form of classified information, not class as not classified.

00:24:54.000 So you consider it four.

00:24:55.000 The caveats which are attached to whether it be secret or top secret depend on how the information was derived.

00:25:03.000 So when you're seeing things like SI, like HDS, like Orcon, originator controlled, FISA.

00:25:10.000 So a FISA, everybody knows that one, right?

00:25:12.000 So FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, if information was gleaned through the FISA Act, that would be marked as FISA.

00:25:19.000 It could be secret.

00:25:20.000 It could be top secret.

00:25:21.000 There's also no form.

00:25:22.000 That means no foreign or not releasable to foreign nationals, governments, U.S. citizens.

00:25:27.000 That means you can only share that with other U.S. agencies.

00:25:31.000 There are times where you would have classified information that you, for example, if you're working on a NATO mission, for example, if you're working with the South Koreans, you're working with Japan, you would make it releasable to those entities.

00:25:41.000 So you would put RHEL NATO, you would put REL RHEL ROC or Republic of Korea, you would put RHEL Japan, et cetera, RHEL to Japan.

00:25:49.000 Then there's also originator controlled.

00:25:51.000 This is called Orcon.

00:25:52.000 So originator controlled.

00:25:54.000 I don't know if you guys think this stuff is interesting or not, but that just means if you want to disseminate it, you have to go back to the original person that created the report because it's originally they originated it.

00:26:04.000 So it's originator controlled.

00:26:06.000 It's kind of a lot of this is kind of on the need to know basis.

00:26:09.000 And then HCS, human control systems, that's your actual spies.

00:26:12.000 So that's anything that was gleaned from human intelligence, aka humans.

00:26:17.000 That's what comes through here.

00:26:18.000 There's nothing whatsoever, nothing whatsoever about nuclear systems.

00:26:23.000 There's nothing about nuclear documents.

00:26:25.000 There's none of it.

00:26:26.000 We do also have, by the way, Alan McCarry with us from Reitbart.com.

00:26:31.000 Yeah, I mean, it really shows that Breitbart is in these people's heads.

00:26:35.000 They recognize we're a threat to the establishment, to the regime.

00:26:39.000 And yeah, you know, as you were saying, it's amazing the fact that this just a sheer number of redactions as well.

00:26:49.000 You know, you have to wonder, you know, given what they are telling us, you have to wonder what they are telling us as well.

00:26:54.000 But do you see anything in this article whatsoever that would call for in this affidavit whatsoever that would call for an immediate raid on the president of the United States's home, former president, the chief leader of the opposition?

00:27:08.000 Why would they take something like this, which is obviously a records-keeping issue, and then raise it to the level of the president needs to be raided?

00:27:16.000 The opposition leader needs to be raided.

00:27:18.000 Yeah, well, I haven't read the affidavit yet, but you know, just from seeing the raid play out and then hearing the details later about how this all was all about, you know, as you said, record keeping.

00:27:28.000 It's clearly, it's clearly smoke and mirrors.

00:27:31.000 The FBI clearly has it in for Trump.

00:27:33.000 And we see that with what they did with the Hunter Biden laptop story as well, pressuring Facebook to suppress that.

00:27:40.000 You know, we saw this with Roger Stone as well.

00:27:42.000 You know, the dawn raid on Roger Stone's residence a few years ago.

00:27:49.000 What was like a process issue?

00:27:52.000 So they find, it's like show me the man, show me the crime, right?

00:27:56.000 They try to find anything they can and then absolutely throw the book at Trump, like on the tiniest thing you could possibly imagine.

00:28:04.000 So, you know, obviously this is not going to happen to there are going to be no dawn raids on Honda Biden's residence, no matter how much evidence there is of wrongdoing.

00:28:16.000 There's going to be no dawn raids on any Democrats who's in with the establishment, in with the deep state.

00:28:25.000 Trump is enemy number one to these people, and that's been apparent for a long time.

00:28:31.000 It was apparent all through his presidency.

00:28:32.000 It's apparent now.

00:28:34.000 So break this down for me because we've got the, they cite Reitbart.com, Go the Techer, the senior tech writer at Reitbart.

00:28:43.000 We also have information from them that says they knew, they knew that there was a question that these materials had been declassified, and yet they decided to proceed with this all the way up into the point of requesting a raid from a magistrate judge.

00:29:00.000 Why are they doing this?

00:29:02.000 I think it's to make an example of Trump, frankly.

00:29:06.000 And I think it's to elevate, if they elevate every single tiny thing to the level of, you know, needing a raid, they're going to create this.

00:29:14.000 What they're doing is they're creating this atmosphere, this perception, especially among the anti-Trump side of the public, that there's some huge wrongdoing going on.

00:29:23.000 Obviously, when you see, when you read the details, you see this is just a dispute about declassified documents, which Trump had every right to declassify.

00:29:32.000 So when you look at it that way, it's clearly not a, there's clearly no sense that there's been some giant wrongdoing here.

00:29:39.000 But by raiding Mar-a-Lago, they're creating the public perception that there is.

00:29:44.000 And I think that's key.

00:29:45.000 That's really key here.

00:29:46.000 No, I think you're exactly right.

00:29:48.000 And so I've got to say, I'm flabbergasted by this.

00:29:51.000 This is a load of bull.

00:29:53.000 The idea that you could throw our entire republic, our entire system into disarray, defiling Mar-a-Lago, going after, remember, this is, of course, we knew that Hillary Clinton had the same level and above on her private server.

00:30:08.000 And I'm not playing what about it.

00:30:09.000 My point is, she was not the president of the United States.

00:30:12.000 She had no declassification authority whatsoever.

00:30:15.000 Donald Trump does.

00:30:16.000 You've thrown our entire system disarray.

00:30:19.000 Joe Biden's out there in Rockville, Maryland, saying that I view you as the enemy.

00:30:24.000 He's named the enemy class in this country.

00:30:27.000 He's named his Kulaks.

00:30:28.000 He's named his Lao Bai Shing.

00:30:30.000 He's named his deplorables.

00:30:33.000 He has told you specifically that you are not welcome under Joe Biden's regime, which is occupying Washington, D.C. and the White House.

00:30:42.000 And when you look at this, it's the thinnest, most basic records dispute that we have.

00:30:49.000 It's not about what's in there, Alam.

00:30:51.000 It's about what's not in there.

00:30:52.000 It's about the fact that this has never been done before.

00:30:54.000 It's completely unprecedented.

00:30:56.000 They found a judge to rubber stamp the entire thing.

00:30:59.000 I mean, and they even go back and forth with saying, well, there were presidential statements on this.

00:31:04.000 They had the boxes in.

00:31:04.000 He put it out.

00:31:06.000 CBS Miami reported on it.

00:31:08.000 It's very clear.

00:31:10.000 Orange man bad.

00:31:12.000 We want to get Trump.

00:31:13.000 There's nothing in here about securing, securing the nation or protecting people.

00:31:19.000 There's no probable cause here.

00:31:21.000 Okay.

00:31:22.000 There's no probable cause here whatsoever.

00:31:25.000 And the idea that you would take these drastic actions that put the entire integrity and fabric of our society at risk, you are tearing a hole in the very heart, not just of our constitution, but in the very heart of the people.

00:31:43.000 And to have this come out one day after Joe Biden goes up there on a stage surrounded by a paltry mix, a ragtag bunch of supporters.

00:31:54.000 In fact, one guy even came in in there screaming, got all the way up front and started screaming, you sold the election at him.

00:32:00.000 He got up there and he's in your grill.

00:32:03.000 He said, I'm in your face.

00:32:06.000 You are the enemy, MAGA.

00:32:09.000 MAGA is the enemy of the regime.

00:32:12.000 He's named you.

00:32:13.000 He's called you up.

00:32:14.000 He's labeled you and he's targeted you.

00:32:16.000 He wants this to be a black mark that will remain on you for the rest of your lives.

00:32:21.000 He doesn't want you to be able to be employable.

00:32:24.000 He doesn't want you to be able to be accepted in high society, polite society.

00:32:31.000 He wants you stained.

00:32:32.000 He wants you smeared.

00:32:34.000 And he wants you left on the side of the road.

00:32:37.000 This is the same type of attitude that we've seen around the world.

00:32:41.000 If you've been in a post-Soviet country, if you've been down in Cuba, Venezuela, all over South America, Middle East, you've seen this before.

00:32:51.000 And they call you a fascist and they call you, or excuse me, a semi-fascist and an authoritarian.

00:32:58.000 No, we're not going to have it.

00:33:00.000 Absolutely not going to have it.

00:33:02.000 Alan Bakari, we're going through this thing, but you also, sir, have been probably the best reporter in the entire world when it comes to Google, Facebook, and big tech over at Breitbart.

00:33:14.000 I need to get your response to Mark Zuckerberg's admission that it was the FBI that came to Facebook, sounds like a visit to me, and told them that they needed to censor whatever they deemed to be Russian misinformation.

00:33:30.000 And then they deemed the Hunter Biden laptop to be Russian information, disinformation.

00:33:34.000 Right.

00:33:34.000 So I've been covering big tech censorship from the very beginning in 2014 and 2015.

00:33:40.000 Back then, every platform, you know, boasted about its free speech credentials and how they would allow an open platform for everyone.

00:33:46.000 And by and large, they did it, you know, five or six years ago.

00:33:49.000 But over time, that's been whittled down.

00:33:52.000 But there was a real escalation in 2020.

00:33:55.000 It really escalated ahead of the election.

00:33:57.000 And this, you know, this shopping admission from Zuckerberg, the FBI was talking to them and identifying Russian misinformation and propaganda, giving them warnings right before the Hunter Biden story comes out.

00:34:10.000 This kind of reveals what was going on behind the scenes, this very sinister relationship that's developing between the federal government and the tech companies.

00:34:20.000 Censorship by proxy.

00:34:22.000 The First Amendment doesn't allow the government to censor people directly, but what we're seeing now is they don't need to officially censor people because they get the private sector to do it for them.

00:34:33.000 I do find it interesting, though, that Mark Zuckerberg just came out in the middle this on Joe Rogan, obviously two years after the fact.

00:34:40.000 But I wonder what the FBI thinks about that Zuckerberg is revealing what's going on behind the scenes, a collusion between this deep state Praetorian guard and the world's largest social network.

00:34:53.000 I mean, it's ridiculous to me because, and I didn't listen to all of the Zuckerberg interview yet on Rogan, but I had some people, I had some friends who were, as we say, in the Philly area going down to shore, and they were listening to it last night.

00:35:06.000 And I walked through it and they said, well, what is it?

00:35:08.000 Does he explain this?

00:35:09.000 And they said, in his mind, he almost feels like he's the good guy who's threading the needle between censoring and not censoring because some people want this and some people want that.

00:35:20.000 What's your sense of him as a man?

00:35:22.000 What's your sense of him as a person when he sits there with the amount of power that he has over Facebook, over Instagram, over WhatsApp, over so much of the public discourse and so much power in our world?

00:35:33.000 Does he actually even have any self-awareness as to the amount of power he wields?

00:35:40.000 Yeah, I mean, it's interesting to see Silicon Valley CEOs playing the victim.

00:35:44.000 I think he does recognize, and I think many other people who run these social, these gigantic, powerful big tech companies, whether it's Facebook or Google or Twitter, they do realize that all their power can be taken away if they annoy the wrong people in the establishment.

00:36:00.000 They can be hit with real regulations from the Democrats.

00:36:04.000 They can be targeted by the federal government.

00:36:06.000 They can be kicked off the app stores.

00:36:08.000 We've seen this happen to social networks that have stood up for free speech, like Parla, like Gab, they've been targeted by the app stores, by web hosting providers.

00:36:18.000 There are all these pressure points that can be applied on tech companies.

00:36:22.000 Ad boycotts is another one.

00:36:24.000 So I think, you know, Zuckerberg, you know, is he not a free speech hero?

00:36:30.000 None of these Silicon Valley CEOs are.

00:36:33.000 He's censoring way more than he should.

00:36:35.000 He censors actually Breitbart.

00:36:37.000 Facebook took our traffic down by 20% after the 2016 election, and they did to a number of other concerned media outlets too.

00:36:46.000 It's not a level playing field.

00:36:47.000 But I'll tell you what, despite the massive censorship that exists on Facebook, the deep state, the media, they would love to see Facebook censor even more.

00:36:58.000 No, I think it's completely insane.

00:37:00.000 And of course, we're seeing now the redactions of the affidavit the same way that they redacted the Hunter Biden story again and again.

00:37:09.000 And I urge people to be peaceful, to understand that your anger is righteous and it's true.

00:37:17.000 But when we see these things going on, and Alan, thank God for your work, that you are out there every day exposing these people, exposing what's going on around our world.

00:37:25.000 Tell us, what are your coordinates?

00:37:26.000 Where can people go to find the latest that you're putting out?

00:37:29.000 You can read all my work on breitbart.com, of course.

00:37:33.000 We'll have some more coverage of this Zuckerberg interview up there very shortly.

00:37:36.000 I just published an article on it yesterday.

00:37:38.000 You can also find me on Twitter at Libertarian Blue.

00:37:43.000 This is sacrilegious.

00:37:45.000 This is sacrilegious to our nation, to our country.

00:37:50.000 They're laundering leaked information through the press.

00:37:54.000 They're using that in their affidavits.

00:37:57.000 And they have defiled Mar-a-Lago.

00:37:59.000 They have defiled Mar-a-Lago and they have defiled our nation.

00:38:04.000 There's no probable cause in these documents.

00:38:07.000 There's nothing that's been released stating that they had a justification to do this.

00:38:13.000 I'm not talking in the simply, in the strict sense that, oh, they could find some magistrate judge to rubber stamp the whole thing.

00:38:20.000 Don't get caught up in the game.

00:38:23.000 Understand what they're doing and understand what time it is.

00:38:27.000 They came crashing through the gates of Mar-a-Lago because they were instituting a preemptive coup of President Trump in the 2024 election.

00:38:39.000 They are trying to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power in this country.

00:38:47.000 They're trying to interfere in the political process.

00:38:49.000 You have the DOJ, you have the FBI, and you have to understand now we are in an era of regime politics.

00:38:56.000 We do have Mike Davis back.

00:38:57.000 He's on the phone.

00:38:58.000 He's gracious enough to call us back.

00:38:59.000 Mike, you've had a chance to take a look at this thing.

00:39:02.000 Are you as flabbergasted as I am?

00:39:05.000 So I've quickly read through this affidavit.

00:39:08.000 It shows that the Biden Justice Department and the National Archives have a fundamental misunderstanding of the law here.

00:39:16.000 And they think that the president did not declassify these records.

00:39:20.000 And that is just not the case.

00:39:21.000 President Trump exercised his power both under statute and as commander in chief under the Constitution to declassify the records before he took them to Mar-a-Lago.

00:39:31.000 These records that they're saying are classified at Mar-a-Lago have absolutely been declassified, whether it's by a declassification memo that President Trump signed on January 19th before he left office on the 20th or through his actions or other things he did.

00:39:47.000 Like he said, he had a standing order.

00:39:48.000 So these were not classified records.

00:39:51.000 And so that goes to the Espionage Act predicate charge that they're looking at for probable cause under this affidavit.

00:39:58.000 They're also looking at destruction, alteration, theft of misuse of government property.

00:40:04.000 And again, that is just not possible.

00:40:05.000 Number one, there's a 2012 Obama decision that shows that the president can make these records personal and it is his sole discretion like Clinton did with his audio tapes for eight years of his presidency.

00:40:19.000 So it can't be an espionage, no matter what they, what evidence they have, as a matter of law, there is no violation of the Espionage Act because a president cannot violate the Espionage Act by how he handles classified materials.

00:40:32.000 Number one, number two, that can't be theft or alteration, destruction of government property because as a matter of law under the statute of the Presidential Records Act, the president has the sole determination whether something is a personal record that belongs to him or a presidential record that goes to the bureaucrats of the archives and then comes back to his library.

00:40:51.000 So the third allegation is that he somehow obstructed these investigations into these two non-crimes.

00:40:57.000 Again, it is legally impossible for President Trump to have obstructed investigations into these two non-crimes.

00:41:03.000 They're not a crime.

00:41:04.000 The federal government, the National Archives, the Biden Justice Department had no right to look into these as crimes because as a matter of law, they could not have been crimes.

00:41:13.000 This is a phishing expedition.

00:41:16.000 This is a political hit on President Trump because he had damning records with the crossfire hurricane records and Russian collusion records.

00:41:24.000 And that's what this is all about.

00:41:25.000 This is about covering their tracks.

00:41:27.000 And this judge, this magistrate judge Bruce Reinhardt, is biased as evidenced by his June 22nd recusal in Trump's civil lawsuit versus Hillary just eight weeks ago.

00:41:37.000 Somehow this bias went away six weeks later where he issued this unnecessary, unprecedented, unlawful home raid of a former president.

00:41:47.000 And now he's agreed to these redactions by the Biden Justice Department where they're covering their tracks.

00:41:55.000 This makes Watergate look like a walk in the park.

00:41:57.000 This is a huge political scandal.

00:42:00.000 And I want to point out some things because you have been out front talking about the fact that it's very likely that they're going after the Russiagate documents in all of this.

00:42:10.000 I called them the Spygate documents.

00:42:12.000 We talked about on Human Events Daily a couple of weeks ago.

00:42:14.000 But when I'm looking through this, some of the markings that I see here, human control systems, HCS, that's your clandestine sources.

00:42:25.000 It mentions FISA information, that there's potentially FISA information at Mar-a-Lago.

00:42:32.000 Do you believe that because we're seeing that in the affidavit, do you believe that that could potentially point to the fact that it is indeed these Russiagate documents?

00:42:42.000 Absolutely.

00:42:43.000 And it's also been leaked out in news stories in the liberal media where you've seen the Biden Justice Department trying to rationalize their rate after the fact they've been leaking out the documents that are in this.

00:42:55.000 They say the public can't see this affidavit of their fake crime, their fake non-crimes against President Trump to go get back these politically damaging documents that are hugely damaging for Obama, Hillary, Biden, the FBI, the Intel community, but they're selectively leaking from this affidavit to build a narrative.

00:43:13.000 They've illegally leaked from the grand jury to Newsweek saying that the grand jury found that President Trump committed a crime, which is just nonsense.

00:43:20.000 It is an illegal leak.

00:43:21.000 This is a corrupted investigation from day one on non-crimes.

00:43:26.000 There is no way, as a matter of law, no matter what evidence that the Biden Justice Department put parties department puts in this affidavit as a matter of law.

00:43:35.000 It is legally impossible for a president of the United States, call it President Smith, because everyone's so Trump dringed.

00:43:42.000 It is legally impossible for any president, President Trump, President Smith, President anyone to violate the Espionage Act for how he handles classified materials.

00:43:51.000 It is legally impossible for any president to be charged with theft of government property for how he handles presidential records.

00:43:58.000 The Presidential Records Act actually contemplates that the president has classified materials when he leaves office.

00:44:05.000 It doesn't differentiate you.

00:44:06.000 Go ahead, Jack.

00:44:07.000 The fact that they're talking about FISA information and HCS information that jumped right off the page at me as a former Intel officer.

00:44:17.000 When you see those, you know you're dealing with a certain set of information.

00:44:22.000 And then we know, of course, based on all the available reporting, that obviously these are documents that President Trump would want to retain copies of for himself.

00:44:33.000 Do you believe, and have you, or also have you received information either through your sources or the Trump legal team that the president did indeed retain a copy of those documents?

00:44:44.000 Because we know that they transferred a copy.

00:44:46.000 The Meadows memo states that they transferred a copy of the DOJ to be released.

00:44:50.000 The DOJ refused to release that.

00:44:53.000 Have you heard or do you believe that the president, President Trump, did keep a copy of those documents?

00:44:59.000 It is my understanding that number two on the RAID inventory list, the leatherbound documents, are the Russian collusion crossfire hurricane documents that President Trump declassified on January 19th, the day before he left office.

00:45:14.000 He made his copy personal.

00:45:16.000 That is absolutely within his constitutional right as commander-in-chief and his statutory right as a president under the Presidential Records Act, as confirmed by the 1988 Supreme Court case, Department of Navy versus Egan, and the 2012 Judicial Watch Trump Fitton case against Bill Clinton by the Obama judge.

00:45:35.000 This is a political witch hunt into non-crimes.

00:45:38.000 It is not possible that Trump committed any crimes here as a matter of law.

00:45:43.000 So this search warrant is invalid as a matter of law.

00:45:46.000 And Merrick Garland, the attorney general, leaked out to Newsweek that he deliberated for six weeks before he got this home raid warrant.

00:45:53.000 Why didn't he get an opinion from the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel or OLC that would have showed that he had this legal authority?

00:46:03.000 Mike, thank you so much for giving us your time, being generous with us to go through this.

00:46:06.000 We've got John Solomon waiting in the wings.

00:46:08.000 He's going to join us immediately after this.

00:46:11.000 Do not touch that dial.

00:46:13.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we are breaking through this preemptive coup of President Trump's 2024, the 2024 election.

00:46:20.000 We are breaking this down in real time here on the Charlie Kirk show.

00:46:25.000 This is the only place you are going to get this level of analysis, this level of understanding of classified information, and the fact that between what Davis has told us and my reading of these documents, the HCS and FISA, do not forget the HCS and FISA because you're seeing that really indicates.

00:46:45.000 It's not that the affidavit itself is a bombshell.

00:46:48.000 The bombshell is that it's not a bombshell.

00:46:51.000 The bombshell is that they defiled Mar-a-Laga over a document dispute, over a records dispute, over one person says it's declassified, the other person isn't.

00:47:03.000 Who's one person?

00:47:04.000 Is that person the president?

00:47:05.000 Yeah, he was the president.

00:47:06.000 So guess what?

00:47:07.000 He can declassify it.

00:47:09.000 He is the security clearance.

00:47:12.000 President Trump, as the president, and by the way, whoever's the president, the president is the security clearance.

00:47:18.000 What we're seeing here is a pre-I've said this before.

00:47:20.000 This is a preemptive coup of 2024.

00:47:22.000 They are trying to stop President Trump in his tracks.

00:47:25.000 They're trying to dirty him up, smear him.

00:47:27.000 They want to go through this.

00:47:28.000 And as Mike Davis said, a fundamental misreading of the law.

00:47:32.000 But I'm joined by the great John Solomon, Justin News.

00:47:35.000 He's here right here in studio.

00:47:37.000 John, we were trying to get you earlier.

00:47:38.000 We're trying to track you down, but you were just, I saw you over there in the office.

00:47:41.000 You were flinging this affidavit.

00:47:44.000 Kind of like a Brankan Neil story.

00:47:46.000 You know, saying, what is this story?

00:47:47.000 That's where's the meat?

00:47:49.000 Where's the meat?

00:47:50.000 Where's the beef?

00:47:51.000 I remember that commercial when I was there.

00:47:52.000 Yeah, where's the beef?

00:47:53.000 So, what is your take?

00:47:54.000 Obviously, you've only had about an hour to look at this thing.

00:47:58.000 What do you come?

00:47:59.000 We've been doing a lot of reporting on this.

00:48:00.000 And a lot of the people I talk to, career FBI officials, some in, some out, and even some of their former executives, Kevin Brock, very respected intelligence defeat.

00:48:09.000 He actually had responsibility over intelligence.

00:48:12.000 He said he was fearful that this search warrant was going to simply criminalize a document dispute between NARA and former President Trump.

00:48:20.000 And after reading it today, keeping in mind there are redactions.

00:48:23.000 There may be things we don't know from witnesses in the blacked out materials.

00:48:26.000 It appears that this is a document dispute that spun out of control, and the FBI has now criminalized it against someone who was always critical of the FBI.

00:48:34.000 And one of the things that jumped out at me, they go out of their way to name Kash Patel.

00:48:37.000 Yes.

00:48:38.000 Kash Patel's former advisor to the president.

00:48:40.000 And they made sure to unredact the section where they named Kash Patel.

00:48:42.000 They do as well.

00:48:43.000 They do indeed.

00:48:44.000 And it's kind of funny enough.

00:48:46.000 By the way, I just have to point that out.

00:48:47.000 I'm sorry, because they say they want to protect their witnesses.

00:48:50.000 They want to protect people.

00:48:51.000 They want to protect agents.

00:48:53.000 They want to protect everyone involved.

00:48:54.000 This oh, but Kash Patel, you can name him.

00:48:56.000 That's right.

00:48:57.000 Well, let's go through a few things.

00:48:58.000 President Trump was going to name Kash Patel to be the FBI deputy director towards the end of his first term.

00:49:03.000 And FBI people threw their bodies in front of that.

00:49:06.000 Justice officials did.

00:49:07.000 He's the guy that helped Devin Dunes unravel the Russia collusion thing, which is one of the greatest embarrassments in the FBI.

00:49:13.000 And we have lines out to both Devin and Cash, by the way.

00:49:16.000 We're seeing track of them.

00:49:17.000 When you see this, when you look at what's going on here, you see an effort to try to drag his name into this as a guy who previously embarrassed the FBI.

00:49:26.000 And they're not even reciting something that Kash Patel said told the FBI.

00:49:30.000 They went to a Breitbart article quoting him.

00:49:32.000 Secondhand hearsay.

00:49:34.000 This sounds familiar for those of us who covered Russia collusion because when the Inspector General looked at the many failures in the Russia collusion case, one of the things it slammed the FBI for was relying on media reports to try to build a search warrant, a FISA warrant.

00:49:48.000 In that case, you can use them, but there's a high threshold for using them.

00:49:53.000 This seems to be gratuitous.

00:49:55.000 What Kash Patel says is, as an expert, I think the documents at Mar-a-Lago were declassified.

00:50:00.000 Why does he think that?

00:50:01.000 The president's the ultimate.

00:50:02.000 Well, here's what I want to know, though, is because did the FBI reach out to Kash Patel?

00:50:08.000 Did the FBI go to, and you broke the Meadows memo.

00:50:11.000 Yeah.

00:50:11.000 Did they read this?

00:50:12.000 Did they reach out to Mark Meadows, who was the chief of staff?

00:50:14.000 Did they reach in and do the actual work of contacting these people as you would do in the course of a normal investigation?

00:50:22.000 A great question.

00:50:22.000 We've never clearly talked to some witnesses.

00:50:24.000 We can see areas in this.

00:50:26.000 We don't know what the witness is, who they are, what they said.

00:50:28.000 So we have to keep our powder dry, learn those facts before we get there.

00:50:31.000 But right now, I think Kevin Brock's assessment, the fear that he had going in with all of the contact he has of the FBI, is coming true.

00:50:38.000 NARA and the president, the National Archives and the president, got in a dispute, and the FBI decided to criminalize it against one of its longtime foes.

00:50:45.000 Donald Trump has been an abject of the FBI since 20 summer of 2016.

00:50:50.000 There are 184 classified documents here that they said they found in the original dump that the president returned.

00:50:56.000 When I say classified, they had classified markets.

00:51:00.000 And they're very careful to say that.

00:51:00.000 That's right.

00:51:01.000 They don't call them classified documents.

00:51:03.000 They say documents with classified markets, leaving open the possibility that the president will demonstrate that he did in some way declassify them.

00:51:09.000 There's about 25 top secrets.

00:51:11.000 Everything else is below that level.

00:51:13.000 And I'll let you know the National Archives.

00:51:15.000 I checked this today.

00:51:15.000 I actually got this confirmed.

00:51:17.000 If a president accidentally took a secret document with them, you know how they can return it?

00:51:21.000 By mail.

00:51:23.000 They can really mail it back.

00:51:24.000 That's actually true.

00:51:25.000 I could tell you the problem.

00:51:25.000 I know the problem.

00:51:26.000 But yes, you can mail things like this through any mail center because that is an agency of the federal government.

00:51:33.000 You have to seal it properly.

00:51:35.000 It actually has to be double-sealed, double-sided tape.

00:51:38.000 They can't be tampered with.

00:51:39.000 Exactly.

00:51:40.000 Trying to pull this up on the fly.

00:51:41.000 But yes, you're drilled through.

00:51:43.000 This is also by the same way if you find a government like a CAC, a common access card, et cetera.

00:51:48.000 It really seems as though the FBI has gotten to a point where they are finding people that they target, people who've been critical of the FBI, people who have had public, huge disputes with the FBI.

00:52:01.000 Of course, President Trump firing Comey within his first, what, five months in office or so, May of 2017, and then these huge dust-ups that have continued and really were ubiquitous for his administration.

00:52:13.000 We know that they have discretion here.

00:52:15.000 We know that obviously they have a huge poll with the Department of Justice.

00:52:20.000 Do you believe that this was a score-settling situation?

00:52:24.000 Listen, we won't know until all the evidence is out there.

00:52:26.000 That is the fear, and it's also the perception among many different Americans.

00:52:30.000 When you look at the polling out there, I think there's a recent poll by the Convention of the States that said that most Americans think that the OJ had a political motive for doing this.

00:52:38.000 I think when people read through this document, it's going to sound an awful like Hillary Clinton dispute, except that Donald Trump got raided.

00:52:45.000 Hillary Clinton's lawyer got to keep the documents in the safe the FBI helped provide.

00:52:49.000 Hillary Clinton didn't get any criminal prosecution.

00:52:51.000 The president had a search warrant and a grand jury subpoena to him.

00:52:55.000 There's about the same equivalency, the number of documents, the number they're top secret.

00:53:00.000 There's one big difference.

00:53:01.000 Yeah, because there can be no equivalency between a Secretary of State and the President of the United States.

00:53:07.000 President's ultimate declassifying authority.

00:53:10.000 The president does not have security clearance.

00:53:13.000 The president is the security clearance.

00:53:15.000 It all falls down from there.

00:53:15.000 That's it.

00:53:17.000 I think that when people begin to get educated in what the law is, and they see the harsh act that the FBI took here, they're going to continue on this path of thinking that this was a political exercise by the FBI.

00:53:17.000 Yep.

00:53:29.000 Now, maybe there'll be some things that come out in the redacted sections.

00:53:32.000 But right now, the idea that they're using new stories like they did in the Russia case, the fact that they're really criminalizing a document dispute, I think a lot of Americans just say we're not.

00:53:43.000 I don't see any information about, oh, we spoke with Cash and here's what Cash said.

00:53:46.000 We spoke with Mark Meadows.

00:53:47.000 Here's the memo.

00:53:49.000 But I do have a tweet, and I've got to read this to you from Maggie Haberman.

00:53:53.000 She's someone who is very early.

00:53:55.000 She wrote a book essentially making a lot of these claims.

00:53:57.000 And the tweet said from her says, is her analysis.

00:54:01.000 The affidavit makes it clear that according to the government, the claim that the Trump team was asked to put a stronger lock on the storage room in the basement at Mar-a-Lago was not what they asked.

00:54:12.000 They asked that the room be secured.

00:54:14.000 Video showed people were coming in and out.

00:54:18.000 Is she making a semantics argument here over this, you know, sealing a room versus, you know, like you're like your, was it a Fortunato in Edgar Allan Poe, you're sealed up in the basement?

00:54:31.000 I think Maggie Haberman oftentimes is a provocator.

00:54:33.000 She tries to find little things and interpret them without doing the reporting.

00:54:37.000 I talk to people in the government.

00:54:38.000 I talked to people on the Trump side.

00:54:40.000 The story about the lock is true.

00:54:43.000 And the story about the security footage is true.

00:54:46.000 But you can't read much into that, right?

00:54:48.000 I think at the end of the day, we know where these documents were.

00:54:51.000 And I'll tell you one anecdote.

00:54:52.000 I was told about this when the archives first started pressing to get the Kim Jong-un letter that's been widely out there.

00:54:59.000 I think the media has made that into a big deal.

00:55:02.000 I thought that the letter was just something that was incidentally included.

00:55:05.000 You're saying that that was something directly that they wanted back.

00:55:08.000 Understanding from the reporting is that they asked for it back a year ago.

00:55:11.000 They're looking for it.

00:55:12.000 You know how they asked for it to be sent back?

00:55:13.000 It was so sensitive.

00:55:14.000 Guess how they were going to do it back?

00:55:16.000 Well, I mean, I'm sure they were going to send escorts.

00:55:19.000 Wait, mail?

00:55:20.000 Drop it in the mail.

00:55:21.000 Not escorts, not the handcuff to the briefcase, you know, the GI G-men coming down.

00:55:28.000 So if that is a true anecdote, what people have described to me, then you realize that these documents aren't, at least some of them weren't as sensitive that they couldn't be mailed back.

00:55:36.000 This is a document dispute that's been criminalized.

00:55:38.000 And unless there is some smoking gun idea that the president was moving these documents and giving them to a foreign power, I think most Americans, at least based on the evidence of the search warrant, are going to see this as a criminalization of a document dispute.

00:55:51.000 Oh, why are we doing this?

00:55:52.000 Here we go again.

00:55:53.000 Deja vu all over again.

00:55:55.000 FBI versus Donald Trump.

00:55:57.000 I love also, by the way, so to the point you just made, in the document itself, obviously we know the president has the authority to declassify.

00:56:06.000 The affidavit mentions this, but Producer Andrew's pointing out that the part that immediately ends that section is redacted.

00:56:16.000 So it says, we acknowledge that the president has the classification authority and sole unilateral declassification authority is a plenary power of the executive the same way the president has a plenary power for pardons.

00:56:27.000 The president could pardon anyone he so chooses of a federal crime.

00:56:31.000 The pardons can't be overturned, et cetera, et cetera.

00:56:31.000 That's it.

00:56:34.000 But the part that seems to be their response as to why they're ignoring that is redacted.

00:56:41.000 Yeah, listen, the most likely.

00:56:42.000 Why would you redact a legal argument?

00:56:44.000 Because there probably is some witnesses that they've interviewed who claim they didn't know anything about a standing order.

00:56:49.000 The president may have only told one person about the standing order.

00:56:53.000 The president may have not told anyone.

00:56:54.000 He may have in his own just declared this.

00:56:57.000 There's going to be, as I wrote this morning, the five big legal questions that the FBI still has to answer.

00:57:01.000 There are a lot of serious questions.

00:57:03.000 Well, let me go back to this because I want to respond to Maggie Haverman on this.

00:57:07.000 So she says it wasn't secured.

00:57:09.000 I've been to Mar-a-Lago.

00:57:12.000 I know you have.

00:57:14.000 That it is.

00:57:16.000 Is it or is it not controlled by the Secret Service, effectively?

00:57:20.000 A security perimeter and room perimeter and the president are clearly protected by the Secret Service.

00:57:25.000 Not every aspect of the president should have rules on it.

00:57:28.000 The golf course probably isn't, unless the president's on it.

00:57:31.000 But there's a lot of security there.

00:57:32.000 Listen, they can argue about who had better security.

00:57:35.000 What was a better idea?

00:57:36.000 This sounds like the same stuff.

00:57:37.000 But a mailbox is more secure.

00:57:39.000 The mailbox is more secure than documents that are secret.

00:57:39.000 Apparently.

00:57:42.000 Which is, which for documents that are up to secret, not top secret.

00:57:45.000 But the mailbox is more secure than Mar-a-Lago, which is surrounded by Secret Service 24-7, even when the president's not there.

00:57:53.000 Internally, it's secured.

00:57:54.000 He has private security, of course.

00:57:57.000 Every single person who comes onto those grounds is checked.

00:58:01.000 Their background is checked.

00:58:03.000 That's pretty secure.

00:58:04.000 Plus, by the way, the president obviously maintained a security clearance as all presidents do.

00:58:09.000 They also maintain a reading room.

00:58:11.000 You would have this for, I'm sure Barack Obama has his reading room.

00:58:14.000 I don't know exactly if it's at, you know, Hyannis Port or Martha's Vineyard.

00:58:19.000 But of course, this end, by the way, correct me if I'm wrong on this, but the president also, former presidents also receive security briefings.

00:58:28.000 They can, absolutely.

00:58:29.000 Yeah.

00:58:29.000 Although I believe President Biden has revoked President Trump's security crisis, if I remember that correctly, I could have looked that up.

00:58:34.000 I have a recollection of Biden saying he was going to revoke it.

00:58:38.000 Again, listen, at the end of the day, the president has the power to declassify his power to determine what's his personal.

00:58:44.000 This is a dispute that's now been criminalized.

00:58:46.000 And you look at the reporting that's been done over the last few weeks, and now you look at this search warrant affidavit.

00:58:51.000 The reporting is a lot further out front than what's available in this evidence here.

00:58:55.000 And I think Kevin Brock's going to turn out to be right.

00:58:58.000 A guy, by the way, he's a very supporter of the FBI.

00:58:59.000 He's a G-Man.

00:59:00.000 He believes in the FBI.

00:59:01.000 He sees this as a document dispute that's gotten overly hyped and overly criminalized.

00:59:07.000 You are right, by the way.

00:59:09.000 It is, he was barred from security briefings last year.

00:59:15.000 So he was receiving them at first, but then he was barred.

00:59:17.000 Yeah, I think Biden removed him in the summer last year is my recollection.

00:59:22.000 We have a lot of questions still to be answered here, which should be nice to know what's in the redacted parts.

00:59:27.000 My guess is it's all witness testimony.

00:59:29.000 But at the end of the day, one question that I have, though, and I would say this right now, and I would urge the president or any of his team, and I'm certainly going to pick up the phone after the show here today and say this.

00:59:40.000 They still have that surveillance tape.

00:59:42.000 And they said they're going to release it.

00:59:44.000 Eric Trump says he's going to release it at the appropriate time.

00:59:46.000 Very in Trumpian phraseology there, the appropriate time.

00:59:50.000 Do you believe they are going to release it?

00:59:52.000 And have you heard any information about a timeline for the release of those tapes?

00:59:55.000 Because I think they should come out immediately.

00:59:57.000 Yeah, listen, the one I'm most interested in is the June 3rd meeting, where the president comes down and talks to the three FBI agents because, according to two eyewitnesses, I interviewed the president and said, let me know if you need anything.

01:00:07.000 Signaling the ultimate type of cooperation.

01:00:10.000 If that is on videotape, that's going to show that a guy who is telling the FBI, come back, I want to help you.

01:00:15.000 I'm not trying to be a problem here.

01:00:17.000 They go raid this home a couple months later.

01:00:19.000 Who made that decision?

01:00:20.000 Did the bosses who made that decision even know that President Trump made that claim?

01:00:23.000 If that's on videotape, and I don't know if it is, that's a pretty big statement.

01:00:27.000 There are a lot of issues at the president.

01:00:29.000 To use some legalese here, you would say, the only evidence we have is exculpatory evidence in this case.

01:00:37.000 We don't have any inculpatory evidence.

01:00:38.000 I haven't found any.

01:00:40.000 Where is the criminal intent here?

01:00:43.000 Where?

01:00:44.000 Well, I think that's one of the things that Americans are going to ask.

01:00:46.000 Unless there's some witness that's saying Donald Trump told me he was secreting documents and giving them to Vladimir Putin, I don't think they have that sort of thing.

01:00:53.000 They're going to make technical arguments about the Presidential Records Act.

01:00:56.000 They're going to make technical arguments about the security clearance and stuff.

01:00:59.000 But at the end of the day, the president has compelling comebacks, which is, it's my decision.

01:01:03.000 And I think that until we find out the evidence on his side, which we haven't heard much of, this is a very open question for most Americans.

01:01:11.000 I think most Americans are going to think this.

01:01:13.000 There's a politics.

01:01:14.000 Let's get the law the way now.

01:01:16.000 We know it's kind of bumbled.

01:01:17.000 Americans are suffering to make ends meet.

01:01:19.000 Gas, food prices.

01:01:21.000 They see the economy going down.

01:01:22.000 They think the country's in the wrong direction.

01:01:24.000 I think they're going to feel like we just had a month of drama in the middle of our very busy summer where we cut our gravel back and cut our gas consumption back.

01:01:32.000 And this is what it's about.

01:01:33.000 Couldn't two people get in a room and resolve this and not haul out the FBI?

01:01:37.000 And by the way, if the FBI is going to be this concerned about something this minor, what are they going to say about me someday?

01:01:42.000 They're going to come knocking at my door.

01:01:43.000 I think most Americans are going to yawn when they see what this is really about.

01:01:47.000 But it's not just about yawning because they'll yawn when they see the probable cause, but then they'll start to go back to the question of why was this done?

01:01:57.000 This is the famous barrier statement from the Soviet Union.

01:01:59.000 Show me the man, I'll show you the crime.

01:02:01.000 Because, John, from where I sit when I'm looking at this thing, they wanted, they wanted this.

01:02:07.000 And we do have a clip here.

01:02:08.000 It's clip 90.

01:02:09.000 It's Biden laying this out.

01:02:10.000 Their choice to go backwards, full of anger, violence, hate, and division.

01:02:16.000 I don't respect these MAGA Republicans.

01:02:19.000 They're a threat to our very democracy.

01:02:21.000 He's telling us right there, MAGA Republicans are the threat to our democracy.

01:02:28.000 Does he see MAGA as an existential threat?

01:02:31.000 I think language like that, if used by either side, is very dangerous.

01:02:35.000 When you start to demonize to the level of calling a political movement a threat to the country of security threat, you're moving into territories that most presidents of the past never did.

01:02:45.000 And I think that there are tens of millions of people that identify as MAGA or identify with the president's policies.

01:02:52.000 What do they think when the current president says that?

01:02:54.000 You're a threat to me, the president is saying.

01:02:56.000 I think the president and the White House ought to reevaluate their language and act more like the presidents before him who didn't do those sort of things.

01:03:03.000 But listen, the White House has to spin because the truth of the matter is at the ignition point of this investigation, Joe Biden was involved.

01:03:11.000 And the press secretary couldn't answer that question when tried to be pinned out.

01:03:14.000 The president of the United States, Donald Trump, former president, was targeted by the current president who said, give him those documents.

01:03:21.000 Waive their privilege if you like.

01:03:22.000 Go get them, boys.

01:03:23.000 That's what he said.

01:03:25.000 It seems like he is, it's not just the ignition point, but he's revving the engine.

01:03:28.000 He's revving the gas on this.

01:03:29.000 We're going to get Devin Nunes on immediately after this.

01:03:32.000 He's going to call in.

01:03:33.000 Where can people go to follow you to watch?

01:03:34.000 You're coming up later tonight in the afternoon, rather.

01:03:37.000 And justthennews.com, what else are you going to be having?

01:03:40.000 We're going to dive into some more of the quotes in this document, explain why they're important.

01:03:43.000 We're going to get some of those experts back on the air trying to do that tonight's show.

01:03:46.000 Just the news, not noise, 6 o'clock right here in Real America's voice, all lineup focused on this issue.

01:03:51.000 We have more facts to get, but I think the more facts that come out, the more people are realizing that this is a political criminalization of a document.

01:03:58.000 Historic, unprecedented day.

01:04:00.000 John Solomon, thank you.

01:04:01.000 I know it was raw.

01:04:02.000 I know it was quick, but that's, I don't know what else.

01:04:05.000 Thanks so much.

01:04:08.000 We have Devin Nunes, who is on the phone with us right now.

01:04:13.000 Congressman, thank you so much for joining us today.

01:04:16.000 Jack, it's great to be with you.

01:04:17.000 You've read the affidavit at this point.

01:04:20.000 What's your immediate takeaway here?

01:04:22.000 Well, there's not much to read, and it's essentially a flashback to what we've been dealing with the last five years as it relates to the Russia hoax.

01:04:30.000 And the fact that they would go to the court once again with news stories that they either selectively decide what they want to use out of the news story or it's just fake news, I think it's just astounding.

01:04:47.000 I mean, if courts are using news media reports as a way to get affidavits still, even after all the nonsense we've dealt with for the last five years, is just outrageous.

01:05:01.000 And then, you know, after the news stories then that lead out, that start the affidavit, then the rest of it's just blacked out.

01:05:10.000 So I think this is just the Russia hoax continued.

01:05:14.000 And, you know, the whole idea that they would raid the president's home and not call it a raid, we're just dealing with a banana Republic here.

01:05:24.000 And what I can't get to, and we just had John Solomon on, we just had Mike Davis on.

01:05:29.000 To me, going through this document, obviously, it's heavily redacted.

01:05:33.000 And so even the legal arguments seem to be redacted regarding whether or not this is declassified.

01:05:39.000 Of course, we know about the declassification of the memo, your great work with Kash Patel and Derek Harvey and others while you're at the House Intel community.

01:05:46.000 I want to get your take on this question as to whether or not you believe, as some have said, that this may have been the underlying Russia gate documents that they were after here.

01:05:57.000 Because when I'm reading this affidavit, I do see the caveats of FISA and HCS, human intelligence control systems, some of the same type of caveats, intelligence classification caveats, markings that you would see with a FISA operation.

01:06:12.000 Do you believe it's possible they could be going for those documents?

01:06:16.000 I don't see how it's anything but that.

01:06:19.000 If you just go through the history of this, remember, this all stemmed from a leak back in 21.

01:06:27.000 So there was a leak from the archives and the folks that went to the usual suspects.

01:06:34.000 And of course, the fake news and all the pundits jumped out and said, oh my God, Donald Trump has these classified documents.

01:06:40.000 I am sure at that time, Donald Trump and the rest of the team that was there didn't have no idea what the hell they were even talking about.

01:06:47.000 So then it sounds like then they were cooperating, working through whatever was there.

01:06:52.000 And then of course you've got the whole case that I'm very familiar with, which is, you know, when the House Republicans who have reviewed many of these Russia hoax documents, who have said that they're all declassified, Trump said numerous times they were all declassified.

01:07:08.000 I think he was very specific, you know, late in 2020 that everything dealing with Russia hoax is absolutely declassified.

01:07:17.000 And then lo and behold, a lot of people don't know this, but what we all assumed was going to be in the archives because Trump had declassified this.

01:07:27.000 This is what we had been led to believe.

01:07:30.000 Then John Solomon, who you just had on earlier, I'm not sure if he spoke about this or not, but they go to the archives and of course, and then nothing's there.

01:07:39.000 So I have no idea how that happened.

01:07:42.000 These were declassified.

01:07:43.000 The president said it no fewer than hundreds of times.

01:07:48.000 And these are of utmost importance to the American public for the malfeasance of the Department of Justice, the FBI, that dates back to the Obama-Biden administration, many of who are still in the new administration, the Biden administration today.

01:08:08.000 So, and these are, you know, at least the documents that I am familiar with that were not declassified showed completely the whole story of how DOJ and the FBI working with the Clinton team and the fake news were able to manufacture and frame then a presidential candidate and later the president of the United States using the most powerful tools that our intelligence agencies have.

01:08:36.000 And that's why when I say, Jack, that this is that we have slipped fully into the Nana Republic realm, that's where we're at.

01:08:42.000 Because look, if, remember, there was the leak.

01:08:46.000 And this is how you can always wrap these guys out because they do that to themselves.

01:08:52.000 So you had the leak of nuclear secrets, nuclear secrets.

01:08:55.000 That's why they were there.

01:08:57.000 And then, you know, three days later, you know, when Garland finally goes out, it's clear he got the crap beat out of them, doesn't know what the hell's going on.

01:09:06.000 They got zero.

01:09:07.000 They got nothing.

01:09:09.000 And now that President Trump has pushed for this to be released and they only unredact just some news stories tells me that whatever's behind there is stuff that the American people should know and that we should have known for a long time.

01:09:27.000 And it probably gets to the bottom of the issue at hand here, which is the Russia hoax and the documents that were declassified.

01:09:35.000 And I'm sure they were probably looking for them because they want to hide them, burn them, and keep them from the American public.

01:09:40.000 And by the way, congratulations, Truth Social, all the success there.

01:09:44.000 I'm sure more people are going to be downloading it even now because they've heard of what the FBI is doing and the connections with Facebook, the connections with Twitter, your recent news, the partnership with Rumble Ads, the ad stack, I think is fantastic.

01:09:56.000 And then, of course, also for your service to our country and go watch the plot against the president.

01:10:02.000 I have a cameo in there, but the real star of that not only is Kash Patel, who is your aide, but also Chairman Nunes and your work uncovering that you were excoriated for this Russia gate hoax, but you were on the right side of history in the end completely vindicated.

01:10:19.000 Thank you so much for joining us, Chairman.

01:10:21.000 Well, Jack, thanks a lot.

01:10:22.000 And we really appreciate you put a lot of great content on True Social and we're glad that you're there.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 26, 2022

Analyzing the Redacted Affidavit—A Preemptive Coup?

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