The Charlie Kirk Show - Andy Biggs and Nick Shirley in Phoenix

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00:01:17.000 All right, so without further ado, let's go ahead and throw to my interview, exclusive interview with Andy Biggs, the next governor of the great state of Arizona.

00:01:26.000 Without further ado, please help welcome to the stage Congressman Andy Biggs.

00:01:38.000 So, okay.

00:01:40.000 I have to start our time together, Congressman, future governor, with an anecdote.

00:01:45.000 So, we both were at the State of the Union, and the next day we both happened to get on the same flight back to Arizona.

00:01:53.000 And he, you know, people don't know this about your congressman, maybe, but he was flying in coach just like I was, although he had an aisle seat and I was stuck in a middle seat.

00:02:04.000 And we kept talking across the aisle the whole time.

00:02:07.000 And, you know, you see Andy on.

00:02:10.000 On Fox News, and he's very serious, and he's a policy wonk.

00:02:15.000 He understands the ins and outs of government really well.

00:02:18.000 And you don't always get to see how warm and gregarious he is, and all these people kept walking by and wanted to shake his hand, and he would just always have time for them.

00:02:28.000 And I clocked it because it's very, very telling about the character of a man, how he is when the cameras are not on them.

00:02:36.000 And so it's a true honor.

00:02:38.000 You are a friend, you are a friend of the organization, you are a friend of Charlie's, and we are behind you, obviously.

00:02:44.000 100% in this state.

00:02:45.000 He's going to be the next governor of the state of Arizona if we have something to do about it.

00:02:49.000 Thank you very much.

00:02:49.000 Thanks, Andrew.

00:02:51.000 By the way, we talked so much, this is the last thing I'll say, that the gal sitting in between us was like, Do you want me to move? 0.94

00:02:57.000 And I was like, No, please don't give up your aisle seat for this middle seat.

00:03:01.000 Andy, tell the audience about who you are.

00:03:05.000 Who is Andy Biggs?

00:03:06.000 Because we know you in Congress, we know you on Fox News, but tell us, you know, how'd you end up here?

00:03:13.000 That's a long story, a series of mis Decisions probably took me to Congress, but I was born and raised here, and I grew up in a politically active family, Andrew.

00:03:25.000 And they were active at the grassroots level, just like everybody in this conference is today.

00:03:31.000 And so they would, my mom would write letters to the editor, right?

00:03:37.000 And we lived in Tucson, so Tucson wasn't really conservative, it's still not, and it's even worse today.

00:03:42.000 But anyway, so she would draw fire. 0.95

00:03:46.000 And back in those days, when you wrote a letter to the editor, Your home address was included, if you remember this.

00:03:50.000 I don't know if you remember.

00:03:52.000 And I had a car.

00:03:53.000 It was an Oldsmobile 98, 1961.

00:03:57.000 It was bigger than this room that we're in.

00:03:59.000 It wouldn't even fit in the driveway.

00:04:01.000 And I would park it on the side, and I knew my mom had been on the radio or TV or the newspaper because people would come and try to throw eggs at our house over the car, but they couldn't make it.

00:04:14.000 So my car was egged, spray painted with swear words.

00:04:18.000 They stole my battery.

00:04:20.000 We'd get.

00:04:20.000 The police officer would come in at a door at two a.m.

00:04:23.000 Anyway, so I said, I will never, ever be involved in politics.

00:04:27.000 It's just too ugly.

00:04:28.000 And then I met my wife to be at a political event on a blind date.

00:04:37.000 And we fell in love and got married just a few months after that.

00:04:41.000 And Andrew, the rest is kind of political history.

00:04:47.000 So, your wife was a part of a political family.

00:04:50.000 You also, your mom and your dad were activists, basically, local, on the local level.

00:04:50.000 Yes.

00:04:56.000 It was in your DNA.

00:04:56.000 Yes.

00:04:57.000 So, even though you said you weren't going to do it, you were just drawn to it like a moth to the flame, weren't you?

00:05:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:04.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:05:05.000 And I've had the same reaction as a moth to the flame has been largely.

00:05:10.000 I got a call one day.

00:05:12.000 We moved into Gilbert, Arizona.

00:05:14.000 At the time, it was about 9,000 people.

00:05:16.000 And somebody called me.

00:05:19.000 A new neighbor calls me and says, Hey, Andy, are you, you know, is so and so your mom?

00:05:24.000 And I said, Yes.

00:05:25.000 Is so and so your mother in law?

00:05:27.000 And I said, Yes.

00:05:28.000 And he said, Well, there's a political meeting.

00:05:30.000 He says, You're probably pretty interested in politics.

00:05:31.000 I said, No.

00:05:32.000 No, I'm not.

00:05:34.000 And he said, We're having a political meeting tonight.

00:05:36.000 Will you come?

00:05:37.000 And so we went.

00:05:39.000 And it was, oh my gosh, Andrew, it was like half the room.

00:05:43.000 didn't like this half of the room, it's kind of like our party today.

00:05:46.000 This half didn't like this half, and it was better than reality TV.

00:05:50.000 I mean, that's what it was.

00:05:52.000 And we just stood there, and media was there.

00:05:55.000 It was a legislative district meeting, and we left and we had a good time.

00:05:59.000 And he called me the next month, You want to go again?

00:06:01.000 Okay.

00:06:02.000 And then that's how we got sucked into it, right?

00:06:05.000 And before too long, he's the president or chairman of the local district, and I'm the secretary, and that's just how it is.

00:06:13.000 We just were in a, you know, if you show up.

00:06:16.000 People ask you to do something, and if you do it, you're reliable and they will trust you to do more, and that's really kind of what happened.

00:06:24.000 It's a great lesson for folks that want to get involved in politics.

00:06:27.000 Just show up, get involved at the local level.

00:06:29.000 That was Charlie's admonition to young people that wanted to get involved in politics all the time.

00:06:34.000 Get involved with the campaign.

00:06:35.000 By the way, get involved with Biggs for Governor.

00:06:38.000 Biggsforgovernor.com.

00:06:39.000 Yep, absolutely.

00:06:41.000 So, you were a lawyer, though, as well?

00:06:43.000 Yes.

00:06:44.000 So, how long were you a practicing attorney before you ended up joining the state ledge?

00:06:50.000 Yeah, so Andrew knows all my story, almost, but I was practicing law and I chose to retire pretty early, but I started doing some international work on behalf of pro life, pro family NGOs at multilaterals.

00:07:10.000 And I was still active and there was a redistricting.

00:07:16.000 I mean, that's what happened.

00:07:18.000 The decennial census came out and now we didn't have a state representative here.

00:07:24.000 And I was asked to run, and we prayed about it and felt like I should.

00:07:28.000 And I ran in 2002 and won, and took my first office in the state legislature in 2003.

00:07:35.000 Wow.

00:07:36.000 So, you know, I have a theory.

00:07:38.000 This is going to sound like a negative towards you, Andy, but it's actually a positive.

00:07:44.000 So, I have a theory that a lot of congressmen do not make great governors.

00:07:48.000 And the reason is because it's different being a CEO of a state than it is being part of a deliberative body.

00:07:54.000 One of the highlights of your career that I think is worth highlighting is the fact that you were actually involved deeply and intimately at the state level.

00:08:03.000 So tell us about your history of the state ledge.

00:08:07.000 So, if you want a governor, you want a governor that knows how to pull the levers of power, knows how to work within the state system, knows how to get bills passed, understands the utilities, understands the minutiae of local governance.

00:08:18.000 You ended up becoming the president of the Senate here in the state of Arizona before going to D.C. Tell us about your time there, what you learned, what you're going to glean from that experience.

00:08:27.000 Yeah, I think that is really going to be helpful because of my position as Senate President.

00:08:35.000 I also was essentially writing the state budget, so I know the lines, I know what we're going to spend, and I know kind of where this is going.

00:08:45.000 But I worked with two different Republican governors, and so we had that interaction.

00:08:52.000 But without getting into the details too much, what I can just tell you is there's a reason so many current and former legislators endorse me.

00:09:02.000 I'm pretty open and communicate, let people come into my office.

00:09:06.000 And Katie Hobbs was, for Pete's sake, the current governor, the minority leader when I was there for a while.

00:09:10.000 And she'd come into my office every week and we would talk about this stuff.

00:09:13.000 But the bottom line is if you know the process and you know the policy and you are willing to collaborate, you can get so much done as the governor.

00:09:23.000 And that's really what we're going to do.

00:09:25.000 Yeah, amen to that.

00:09:26.000 So let's talk about Arizona.

00:09:30.000 Arizona is a remarkable state.

00:09:33.000 It is, you know, Charlie, for those of you who know the story, was actually born in Illinois.

00:09:40.000 And he obviously married Erica, who's an Arizonan.

00:09:45.000 And every time we would fly back into Arizona, though, this was the state that he chose to make his home.

00:09:50.000 He would just, I have so many memories of this.

00:09:53.000 He would just say, Oh, look at that, how beautiful it is.

00:09:54.000 And I was like, Charlie, it's very dry.

00:09:56.000 It's kind of brown.

00:09:57.000 And he's like, Oh, it's great.

00:09:59.000 It's like 95% of the day is in sun.

00:10:01.000 It's wonderful.

00:10:02.000 You know, he just loved this state and the spirit of the people.

00:10:05.000 What is the spirit of Arizona that you know?

00:10:09.000 That, you know, this is a purple state, right?

00:10:12.000 We've got Gallego, we've got Mark Kelly, we've got Hobbs, the governor.

00:10:18.000 What is this real spirit of Arizona?

00:10:20.000 Well, so the purpleness is really an aberration in my mind.

00:10:24.000 Because what this state really was, you know, historically, it was for rugged individuals who would come out and make their way.

00:10:35.000 They weren't looking for government to kind of take care of them.

00:10:38.000 But I mean, the spirit of the state still remains strong that way.

00:10:41.000 I mean, you look at it, we're still a center right state.

00:10:44.000 And when you start looking at it, like our water situation, no other state in the country did what Arizona did.

00:10:51.000 We took a desert state when you had 45, 50,000 people living in this current metro area, that's 5.5 million people, and they built a series of dams to bring water to it.

00:11:02.000 I mean, that we're still using today.

00:11:04.000 That's what we are.

00:11:06.000 Yeah.

00:11:07.000 Yeah.

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00:12:15.000 Things are not going as well currently.

00:12:19.000 You had a bunch of tweets, a series of tweets, where you mentioned that Arizona has fallen into the bottom five as far as wage growth, the bottom five of new job growth.

00:12:31.000 We've got a housing issue.

00:12:34.000 What are the top three, four, whatever issues that you see plaguing the state of Arizona?

00:12:41.000 Well, first of all, we've lost the American dream here in this state, perhaps across the country in many ways.

00:12:49.000 So, the first issue for me is to restore that, and that means that you have to facilitate and create an atmosphere where young people or new families can buy a single family home and be able to afford to buy that home.

00:13:04.000 Now, why is that?

00:13:06.000 Because when people buy this home for the first time, they form families, right?

00:13:12.000 And when you form families, that's when you keep your culture, your society, your history.

00:13:21.000 Without that, we're going to have a problem.

00:13:23.000 So, for us to facilitate that, that means we have to fix a water situation that's tough.

00:13:27.000 We have to fix our power grid situation, which is tough.

00:13:31.000 By the way, these are not unique to Arizona, these are system wide.

00:13:35.000 But we need to fix those things.

00:13:37.000 At the same time, we still have across our southern border the most porous human trafficking sector in the country.

00:13:47.000 So, you want to make sure that people can afford to buy homes in a safe neighborhood, but you also want them to be safe.

00:13:54.000 So, where they can go, feel comfortable taking their family out.

00:13:57.000 You're not going to be worried about fentanyl coming into your high schools.

00:14:01.000 So, for us, for me, you start working on the American dream with the housing, but you also start working on the American dream to make sure that you're shutting down areas of the border that are still kind of porous because of unique circumstances in Arizona's terrain, some governmental entities that we have here.

00:14:22.000 Once you start doing those two things, then you start remembering.

00:14:25.000 We want every parent to be able to be influential in the educational experience of their child.

00:14:33.000 No more boys in girls' sports or girls' locker rooms.

00:14:38.000 No more grooming behind parents' backs.

00:14:42.000 We're going to work on that, but we're going to make sure that Arizona's educational choice, which is the best in the country, is available for every student.

00:14:53.000 So we're not just teaching them to read and write and do math at grade level.

00:14:57.000 We want them to be able to.

00:14:59.000 To also understand our history, come out as great citizens, and be able to get good jobs.

00:15:04.000 Yeah, we call it the three M's marriage, mortgage, and mating. 0.72

00:15:09.000 They're called conservatizing life events.

00:15:11.000 Yes.

00:15:11.000 And I remember actually coming up with the three M's with Charlie.

00:15:14.000 I saw it in a Brookings Institute study where they realized oh, shoot, if young people get married and they get a mortgage and they start having kids, they're going to turn into Republicans.

00:15:23.000 And we got to stop this.

00:15:26.000 But ironically, that is the American dream.

00:15:29.000 So you talk about housing.

00:15:31.000 How do you make housing more affordable?

00:15:33.000 So we have a problem in the West, as many people know.

00:15:37.000 For instance, of property ownership.

00:15:39.000 In Arizona, only 18% of the fifth largest state in the country is in private hands.

00:15:44.000 The rest of it is controlled by government entities, state or federal.

00:15:48.000 And that means that, for instance, in the Phoenix metro area, you have whole swaths of land which would be normally suitable to build single-family homes on.

00:16:01.000 What you're getting instead is a dormant asset because it's sitting there being owned by the federal or state government.

00:16:08.000 So, you have to open that up, and 25% of development in Arizona is usually the land cost.

00:16:16.000 But the other thing is, you reduce cost about 30% of it is permitting.

00:16:21.000 Yeah.

00:16:21.000 Seriously?

00:16:22.000 30%.

00:16:22.000 Yeah, in Arizona.

00:16:23.000 So, you have to make sure you take care of the regulatory environment that's in place.

00:16:28.000 And when you take care of those two things right there, all of a sudden, the cost of, say, a first time home becomes rational and affordable.

00:16:39.000 That's really what you want to do.

00:16:40.000 What about business investment, job growth, wage growth?

00:16:44.000 How do you bring that back to this state?

00:16:47.000 Well, what we've done is we're competing now with states that have reduced their income tax either to zero or even below ours.

00:16:54.000 Ours is 2.5% flat.

00:16:55.000 So you have to give a better tax structure, you have to reduce the regulatory environment.

00:17:00.000 So it's not just housing that's taking four years to get from plat to dirt, it's taking that long on all kinds of businesses, and you have to facilitate that.

00:17:13.000 And where we do facilitate it, we see jobs come in.

00:17:16.000 So we recently did one for a group called Hadrian out of LA County.

00:17:22.000 And they came in, and they're hiring 350 Arizonans to work in that high tech manufacturing plant.

00:17:29.000 Those are the two basic things there.

00:17:30.000 And by the way, it isn't about giving subsidies and it isn't about giving tax credits, it's about reducing that load, government interference load, on the entire market.

00:17:42.000 And then you have a better marketplace for everybody.

00:17:45.000 So there's a very boring election happening, genuinely, but all of a sudden it's garnered national attention in recent weeks.

00:17:56.000 And that is something called SRP, right?

00:17:58.000 The Salt River Project, right?

00:18:00.000 And it's the largest utility in the country, I believe, or the large private utility in the country.

00:18:06.000 Yeah, it is a cooperative.

00:18:09.000 It's a sort of a.

00:18:10.000 Public private.

00:18:10.000 Yeah, public private.

00:18:11.000 It's kind of a quasi government.

00:18:14.000 You say quasi?

00:18:15.000 I'm a quasi guy.

00:18:15.000 I do.

00:18:18.000 Is it quasi for Quasimodo?

00:18:21.000 I'm just saying.

00:18:21.000 Yeah, hold on.

00:18:22.000 Hands raised for quasi.

00:18:24.000 Do you say quasi?

00:18:26.000 Ah, see, we got one, two.

00:18:29.000 Am I alone in this?

00:18:30.000 Yeah, hands up for quasi.

00:18:33.000 So, everybody who says quasi, how many of you are from north of Arizona or from outside of Arizona?

00:18:41.000 No, I think it's.

00:18:42.000 Wait.

00:18:42.000 Yeah, everybody.

00:18:43.000 If you're from Arizona, he's a lawyer.

00:18:43.000 See, there you go.

00:18:45.000 He found a loophole here.

00:18:48.000 Yeah, let's just.

00:18:49.000 This is a local issue, apparently.

00:18:50.000 This is kind of like, this is how we know if you're a spy from another state.

00:18:56.000 You're going to come in and say, we're all from California?

00:18:59.000 It's a quasi thing.

00:19:02.000 So I do want to talk about this, actually.

00:19:05.000 I was thinking about bringing it up before, but hold on.

00:19:08.000 You're getting me distracted.

00:19:10.000 SRP.

00:19:10.000 All right, hold on.

00:19:12.000 So we're getting involved in this election, or I think it's April 5th.

00:19:16.000 It's coming.

00:19:17.000 Turning Point Action has gotten involved in it.

00:19:20.000 And all this national media attention is coming into.

00:19:23.000 It because there's a California green agenda, the Green New Deal, Green New Scam agenda is trying to infiltrate into the state of Arizona.

00:19:33.000 Explain why it's again, this is wonky, but it's important.

00:19:37.000 It's the price of energy, the price of water, how we're approaching these things.

00:19:41.000 How important is that SRP election to what you plan to do as governor?

00:19:48.000 It's absolutely, it's like at the top.

00:19:52.000 So we got to take care of this.

00:19:53.000 And here's why because SRP is a power and water company.

00:19:57.000 So when I talked about the The lakes that were built and the basically the rivers that were tamed.

00:20:06.000 That was SRP doing that over a hundred years ago, over a hundred years ago.

00:20:10.000 And we still, they still move a lot of water, they still move a lot of power.

00:20:17.000 What we're seeing is at the ACC, these groups that are coming in, they want to rely on the Green New Deal stuff.

00:20:26.000 And they want to increase the amount of solar and wind, which is less reliable, more expensive, ugly.

00:20:34.000 And I mean, the wind turbines, actually, in northeast Arizona, there are private groups that are trying to come in and put up to 8,000 wind turbines up in the.

00:20:45.000 8,000.

00:20:45.000 8,000?

00:20:47.000 And what that does is.

00:20:49.000 Those are pollutants when they run their course because they don't live forever.

00:20:52.000 When they run their course, they actually pollute the land underneath them.

00:20:56.000 So, if you want to get power stability and make sure that you move to a cheaper form of power, you have to acknowledge that clean coal, Arizona's got some clean coal.

00:21:11.000 We actually have that resource.

00:21:14.000 We also have some of those facilities.

00:21:17.000 China's doing, I heard this morning, 100 per week.

00:21:20.000 That seems astounding of coal.

00:21:23.000 Plants.

00:21:25.000 So you have the coal, then you have natural gas refining.

00:21:30.000 That's clean, it's cheap, it's something that we can get and move very quickly and it's efficient.

00:21:36.000 And the third thing is the movement to nuclear.

00:21:39.000 A lot of people don't realize this, but until Georgia recently opened their nuclear plant, the Palo Verde nuclear plant west of town here was the largest nuclear facility in the United States.

00:21:52.000 And now we're moving to SMRs, which This is the wonkiness you didn't want me to get to.

00:21:57.000 I'm sorry.

00:21:58.000 We'll get through this very soon, I promise.

00:21:59.000 This is important.

00:22:02.000 But to move to the nuclear small modular reactors, President Trump is trying to get nine of those placed in different facilities, military installations, so that they're up and running by the end of 2027.

00:22:16.000 I don't know if that's doable, but what happens, we're trying to get one at Luke, some of us in the delegation.

00:22:23.000 If we can get something there and you start making that scalable, all of a sudden, It changes the entire dynamics for where we're going because where are we going?

00:22:33.000 You're seeing a tremendous increase in the demand for power and water.

00:22:39.000 And by the way, we went from about 1970s having roughly maybe a million and a half to two million people, maybe a little bit more than that, from the early 70s to today where we are seven and a half million people in this state.

00:22:56.000 And guess what?

00:22:57.000 We use the same amount of water.

00:23:00.000 Because of the way we manage our water resources.

00:23:04.000 And you don't want to turn that over to the Green New Deal folks because they don't like people. 0.97

00:23:09.000 They just don't like people.

00:23:11.000 And I'm not kidding when I say that.

00:23:13.000 And we like people, and we like growth, and we like the economic opportunities that freedom allows.

00:23:20.000 They want to crush freedom with their authoritarian, basically, policies that they believe will drive people out of Arizona and who knows where.

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00:24:44.000 When we talk about the spirit of the state, you've had a lot of people coming from California.

00:24:50.000 You've had a lot of people coming from other places, Illinois.

00:24:54.000 So, what is your message to them as you're trying to win their votes in the state, the newcomers to the state?

00:24:59.000 What's your vision that you want to pitch to them?

00:25:01.000 Well, I think regardless of where you're coming from and what your political vision is, you want to be able to afford to live.

00:25:11.000 You want to be able to afford to have good housing.

00:25:15.000 You want to be able to buy food and you want to be able to.

00:25:18.000 To get around.

00:25:19.000 And there's no place better than that, than Arizona.

00:25:22.000 We provide all that.

00:25:24.000 But what will happen is when you get me as the governor with a great legislature, it will become easier for you in all of those things.

00:25:33.000 But it isn't just that.

00:25:35.000 They want the same things we want.

00:25:38.000 They may not know why they want them, and they may not logically see the consistency with our policies and getting what they want.

00:25:48.000 But the reality is, they want to make sure they're free too.

00:25:56.000 Most of them, the people that are going to vote in this election, they want to be free too.

00:26:02.000 So, how many of you guys have heard?

00:26:04.000 You know, you can't have too conservative of a candidate on the ballot.

00:26:08.000 They can't win.

00:26:09.000 Have you guys heard something along those lines?

00:26:11.000 Yeah.

00:26:12.000 Yeah, you've heard.

00:26:13.000 Yeah, I've heard that.

00:26:16.000 So, Andy, Congressman.

00:26:19.000 Yeah.

00:26:21.000 What is your message?

00:26:24.000 What do you say to that when people say Congressman Biggs is too much of a conservative?

00:26:29.000 He's too rock ribbed.

00:26:31.000 What's your answer to that?

00:26:32.000 Well, I always tell him that, you know, I'm one of the.

00:26:36.000 Republicans that votes against his party, number three for voting against my party.

00:26:41.000 So I really am independent, okay?

00:26:44.000 By the way, this is true.

00:26:45.000 We were looking at that.

00:26:46.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:26:47.000 But beyond that, I remind them that if I'm speaking to an independent, I just remind them, I ask them what it is that they're looking for in the state that they live in.

00:26:58.000 What is it you really want?

00:27:00.000 And sooner or later, we're going to grit, we want good education for our kids.

00:27:04.000 We want the opportunities, we want our kids to be safe.

00:27:07.000 We want our kids, we want to be able to have medical freedom, medical choice.

00:27:11.000 Oddly enough, that's the Maha movement. 0.97

00:27:13.000 So when we start finding these points of confluence where we agree, man, they come along.

00:27:21.000 They're going to come along.

00:27:22.000 And then I always remind my Republican doubters I say, hey, guess what?

00:27:28.000 Donald Trump wasn't supposed to win this in 2024, but he won this state because we got out the vote with the help of TP Action, Citizens Alliance, and others.

00:27:37.000 We got the vote out.

00:27:39.000 And we ended up winning.

00:27:41.000 And Donald Trump won by the biggest margin in the country.

00:27:45.000 For his fourth battleground state.

00:27:46.000 And I would say that if you want to tank the enthusiasm of the base, nominate a squish. 1.00

00:27:52.000 Nominate somebody that doesn't stand for anything. 0.99

00:27:54.000 So midterms are a turnout exercise.

00:27:57.000 It's all about how many of your base voters you can turn out.

00:28:00.000 And you need enthusiasm.

00:28:02.000 You need to be offering real solutions to the problems.

00:28:05.000 So I would just, that's my pushback.

00:28:08.000 If you agree.

00:28:08.000 Yeah.

00:28:09.000 Well, you're absolutely right.

00:28:11.000 I give that to the Republicans, to the independents.

00:28:15.000 They want to know where you agree and can you deliver on that.

00:28:21.000 So that's where we get to.

00:28:22.000 They want safety for their kids, they want education for their kids, they want to make sure that they can get a stable job, making a decent wage.

00:28:31.000 They want to be able to get safe housing.

00:28:35.000 And in the end, people live where the lifestyle is the best for them.

00:28:41.000 And they chose to be here.

00:28:43.000 And they're going to like it here under a Biggs administration.

00:28:49.000 Andy Biggs for governor, you are the best, genuinely.

00:28:53.000 Can we do some QA?

00:28:54.000 Do we have time?

00:28:56.000 Yeah.

00:28:57.000 If you guys have questions for Congressman Biggs, please just want to do it.

00:29:02.000 Just raise their hand.

00:29:03.000 Yeah, raise your hand.

00:29:06.000 Now, Andrew, here's the important part.

00:29:09.000 I always say you can ask me any question you'd like, and then I'll decide if I'm going to answer it.

00:29:15.000 So feel free.

00:29:16.000 We've got a couple here.

00:29:19.000 It's hard to see you guys with the lights on.

00:29:22.000 We know that Arizona has had some voter fraud.

00:29:26.000 Are you concerned about that?

00:29:27.000 Yeah, the question is am I concerned about voter fraud in Arizona?

00:29:31.000 Yes and no, and I'll tell you why it's yes and no.

00:29:35.000 First of all, I am concerned about it, but I know that, like in Maricopa County, which has had problems, Both the county board and the county recorder, newly elected, they have a little bit of chafing at each other, but they're trying to put it in place.

00:29:50.000 I know them all.

00:29:51.000 They're trying to give us the best election they possibly can.

00:29:53.000 That's number one.

00:29:54.000 Number two is I remember what happened in 2024 with President Trump winning, and we expanded the majority of Republicans in both the House and Senate.

00:30:06.000 And in some respects, I'm relying on making it too big to rig again, getting out that base, getting out that vote.

00:30:14.000 And when we do that, because it is a turnout election, I think we win not only closely, we win going away because we're going to turn out our voters.

00:30:24.000 Yeah.

00:30:27.000 Stand up, too.

00:30:29.000 Do you have any plans for restoring academic integrity to Arizona?

00:30:34.000 Oh, do I have any plans for restoring academic integrity?

00:30:37.000 So here's the way to think of it we are perpetually at the bottom of attainment, right?

00:30:45.000 We struggle.

00:30:46.000 And so I'm going to just offer some things that I think work.

00:30:49.000 They worked in Louisiana, they work in Mississippi, which has always been bottom five in attainment, now in achievement, they're in the top five.

00:30:56.000 And what they did is they got rid of Common Core.

00:30:58.000 When Arizona said we were going to get rid of Common Core, we just renamed it.

00:31:02.000 That's what we did.

00:31:04.000 And by the way, you do need that institutional history, and I do have that institutional memory.

00:31:09.000 So we need to eliminate Common Core, and then we need to do what has worked in Louisiana, Mississippi, and wherever it's been tried.

00:31:18.000 And that's go back to phonics reading.

00:31:20.000 Science based mathematics.

00:31:22.000 And when you do those things, the kids typically respond, they're reading by grade level, and then you make sure you have a good history in there, reminding kids of what it's like to live in a free country and how we got to be the greatest nation in the history of the world.

00:31:41.000 Then we will be up there in that top five, like Louisiana and Mississippi.

00:31:47.000 Because they went from, we were always grateful because it was, you know, I can't remember who it was, always number one.

00:31:54.000 The other 47 states were tied at 49th.

00:31:58.000 And then Mississippi and Louisiana down at 50. 0.97

00:32:01.000 We were grateful for those two, but now they've shown us the way to do it, and that is the way to do it.

00:32:06.000 Would you keep, I think the Mississippi miracle, by the way, it's been widely reported, they'll keep a lot of the students back if they're not making grade level and reading.

00:32:16.000 Is that something you would do here?

00:32:18.000 Yeah, social promotion can't, you don't want to stigmatize the child, but believe me, you are stigmatizing the child more by granting social promotion.

00:32:27.000 And putting them in a position where, I mean, I just was reading about a graduate of an Ivy League college who graduated and could not read.

00:32:36.000 So it is important for us to not socially promote, but instead make sure we have educational attainment so that child will have much more self esteem when they can read and write and do math at grade level, which is where their peers are.

00:32:53.000 That's what's critical.

00:32:54.000 And so, yeah.

00:32:55.000 And the other thing I would say, if you want to, you need to understand we have three of the top.

00:33:00.000 10 rated high schools in the country are right here in Arizona.

00:33:04.000 We need to keep the educational choice going in Arizona.

00:33:09.000 If we protect that, we will have great outcomes.

00:33:13.000 We'll have this be the last question.

00:33:15.000 Thank you.

00:33:16.000 You mentioned what Arizonians want, and I want to know how you plan on doing those things the affordable housing, the education, the water, the electrical.

00:33:30.000 Do you have those plans implemented?

00:33:32.000 And is there a website where we can see how you have drawn out those plans?

00:33:39.000 So, I do have plans in every one of those areas, and I'm not sure we have it reflected on our website in every one of those areas.

00:33:48.000 But I've already talked about education here briefly, and I've talked about water.

00:33:52.000 I could talk about water for hours.

00:33:55.000 But in particular, you need to know that we have to save the system, the entire system.

00:34:00.000 And if we fail to do that, then Arizona will have a problem.

00:34:04.000 We are being hosed right now by the current administration.

00:34:09.000 There's a real problem between the upper basin states and lower basin states.

00:34:13.000 And I've been leading the fight in Washington, D.C., with my colleagues to make sure Arizona gets a better shake at that.

00:34:21.000 And so that's that.

00:34:23.000 On power, I've already talked about that briefly how the move is going to be towards ultimately moving towards SMRs, because that will give us a broader range of power.

00:34:37.000 I can't remember what else you asked, other policy areas.

00:34:41.000 Did he get everything that you were asking about?

00:34:44.000 Affordable housing.

00:34:46.000 I've already talked about that.

00:34:48.000 Permitting.

00:34:48.000 Yeah, you have to deal with permitting, the scarcity of land, which is artificial in this state, and deal with that.

00:34:59.000 Without getting too wonky on that, I mean, there are ways to actually deal with that that actually benefit K 12 education and the economy and can help make housing more affordable.

00:35:14.000 Congressman Andy Biggs, the great Andy Biggs, the next governor of the state of Arizona.

00:35:19.000 Thank you, Andrew.

00:35:19.000 Thank you, everyone.

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00:36:43.000 All right, it's my turn.

00:36:45.000 We just had an event here in Phoenix, the same one where Andrew was interviewing Andy Biggs.

00:36:51.000 We also welcomed Nick Shirley, Somali fraud, exploder, extraordinaire. 1.00

00:36:57.000 Learing Center.

00:36:58.000 The Learing Center man.

00:36:59.000 We welcomed him out to Arizona to speak in front of some of our supporters.

00:37:02.000 And we had an interview which dived into his work.

00:37:06.000 A lot of people really enjoyed it.

00:37:08.000 It was a fun conversation.

00:37:09.000 We hope all of you enjoy it as well.

00:37:12.000 Hello, everybody.

00:37:18.000 All righty, well, welcome, Nick.

00:37:21.000 Thank you for coming out.

00:37:22.000 Yeah, I'm super happy to be here.

00:37:24.000 All right, I was saying just before we got in that we already own a lot.

00:37:30.000 He did force us to abandon an initiative we were planning to launch.

00:37:33.000 We can't launch Leering Point USA anymore.

00:37:35.000 We had to look for a new name for that one, but I think it's all worth it.

00:37:39.000 Yeah, it would be a real shame if the kids couldn't leer anymore, but. 0.52

00:37:43.000 Yeah.

00:37:44.000 Well, welcome out here, and I think.

00:37:49.000 Just to start off, I was looking at some of your more recent tweets, and obviously you're known for your documentary stuff, your investigative work, but you had a normal post just the other day, and I want to read it because I think it really speaks to the influence that I know Charlie has had on you and a lot of other people.

00:38:06.000 So let me bring it up here.

00:38:09.000 And what you said was, the more time I spend on X and around politics, I realize how easy it is for people to complain.

00:38:17.000 Very few people actually do the thing.

00:38:20.000 I would much rather actively be trying to do something than just complaining without bringing a solution.

00:38:27.000 And I know that is very much something that Charlie would say all the time.

00:38:31.000 He was all about being the change that you seek in the world.

00:38:35.000 So I know you're also iconic for being one of the.

00:38:40.000 Final guests on our show before the tragedy that happened in Utah.

00:38:43.000 So, can you just tell us a bit about the impact Charlie had on your life and outlook?

00:38:47.000 Yeah, I had a lot of respect for Charlie because of what he's done.

00:38:51.000 And every time I'd go to like Amfest or even coming here today to see what he has built and the people that he's been able to attract around him speaks to the person he was.

00:39:01.000 And the reason I made that post is because I'm going out doing so much and people like Charlie did so much.

00:39:07.000 And it's so easy for us to go out and do so much and to actually go to the place.

00:39:12.000 Talk about it, put our money where our mouth is, and then there's so many people who just want to complain and attack the people that are actually doing the doing.

00:39:19.000 And so, yeah, I kind of get sometimes I get kind of fed up when I get on the internet and I see people always just like complaining and complaining without ever bringing any solution.

00:39:28.000 And so, right before I tweeted that, I had seen that Gavin Newsom was blaming Trump for his disaster of a state of California.

00:39:35.000 And I said, How are you supposed to blame Trump for this when you're the one who's pushed all the billionaires out of your state?

00:39:40.000 You let $24 billion go unaccounted for.

00:39:43.000 And you're complaining about taxes, but he has the highest tax on gas in the United States.

00:39:48.000 And so, but all that's Trump's fault.

00:39:51.000 And so, I'm saying, well, you're the governor, like, take ownership.

00:39:54.000 And I think Charlie's a perfect example of somebody who takes ownership and he sees a problem, he would actually go and do something about it.

00:40:01.000 I mean, he dedicated his whole entire life to helping make America great and making America a better place to live.

00:40:08.000 And so, me and myself, I want to do the same thing, whether it's going and doing these videos and showing people and highlighting what's actually happening.

00:40:15.000 And bringing a solution to some of these problems.

00:40:17.000 People say, Well, Nick, you're complaining by making that tweet.

00:40:19.000 I'm like, No, I'm not.

00:40:21.000 I'm telling you guys what's happening, and then I have actually posted a video every single week to show you what's going on.

00:40:26.000 That's why you guys are actually interacting with me because I'm creating these conversations.

00:40:30.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:40:31.000 And I think it's very common to run into people who say, I'd love to help out once I have the right job or once I've finished the right program, once I've moved to the right town.

00:40:43.000 But I think you've shown exactly what is possible, which is you can basically.

00:40:47.000 Take a smartphone and go to the right spot and ask the right questions and get 150 million views on X.

00:40:54.000 So, I think that is the next natural question.

00:40:56.000 I know there's a lot of people, a lot like you, who are in their late teens, early 20s.

00:41:01.000 They love to ask that general question how can I do what you do?

00:41:06.000 And so, let's imagine.

00:41:07.000 Let's imagine there's someone out here in Phoenix or in a town like Los Angeles, and they've seen, it seems there's a lot of fraud out there, it seems like there's a lot of waste, it seems like there's a lot of corruption.

00:41:20.000 They have a smartphone.

00:41:21.000 What should they do next to take action?

00:41:23.000 Yeah, I think the most important thing is going to the location, going to the source.

00:41:27.000 A lot of people don't want to go to the source of where the.

00:41:30.000 No one wants to go outside.

00:41:31.000 Nobody wants to go outside.

00:41:32.000 So if you're angry about your governor, you're angry about the leering center in your neighborhood, maybe go to the place and do your research and say, okay, let's go see if I can talk to the person and have those conversations to actually see what's happening.

00:41:50.000 I will admit, when I was driving up here, I did pass by a place that was prominently labeled as a Phoenix Autism Center.

00:41:57.000 And it did enter my mind.

00:41:59.000 Oh, is that one of those?

00:42:00.000 And I don't know.

00:42:02.000 It might be legitimate.

00:42:02.000 I don't know about that one.

00:42:04.000 People, if they start going around your towns and you notice there's these learning centers or these autism centers, you're going to realize there's no cars in the parking lot.

00:42:12.000 And every time you drive by them, there's actually no cars there.

00:42:15.000 So this is like a whole fraud system that's in every state in the United States.

00:42:19.000 But going back to your question about what someone could actually do if they want to do something, Well, I think you have to go do the doing, obviously, but you have to go to the source and you have to be not afraid to speak on things for what they are.

00:42:34.000 I think nowadays a lot of things that actually aren't controversial are becoming controversial, like the topic of fraud.

00:42:41.000 I think it should not be controversial that fraud is bad no matter who's committing it.

00:42:45.000 The fact that men are in girl sports, they were born with a whole different thing.

00:42:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:52.000 So, how's that even controversial?

00:42:55.000 Or the fact that people get mad that we deport illegal migrants, the word's illegal.

00:43:00.000 And so, a lot of controversial things are becoming, I think a lot of things that aren't controversial are becoming controversial.

00:43:05.000 You have to have the courage to speak on the non controversial issues that have now become controversial and say them for what they are.

00:43:12.000 So true, so true.

00:43:13.000 And is your step one when you're going to a new destination, like when you're landing in Minnesota and you want to go to the daycare centers or whatever follow up business you're looking at, is it as simple as look them up on Google Maps and start just going to each one?

00:43:28.000 It's a little bit more complicated than that.

00:43:29.000 You got to do your research.

00:43:30.000 So I hadn't known about that fraud in Minnesota since last June, for instance, and I have been gathering information on it.

00:43:36.000 And then the man in the video, David, How did that unfold?

00:43:39.000 You just went there and people were telling you about it?

00:43:41.000 Yeah, I went and did a video last June about the rise of Islam and the Somali population inside Minnesota because people were telling me about it.

00:43:48.000 And then all the Minnesotans were like, finally, someone's here to make a video about the fraud.

00:43:52.000 I said, what fraud?

00:43:53.000 And people, one lady called me for two hours. 0.99

00:43:55.000 I got stuck in a gas station parking lot for two hours talking to this lady.

00:43:59.000 And she would not hang up.

00:44:01.000 And I'm like, okay, but do you know about this one?

00:44:03.000 I'm like, okay, thank you very much.

00:44:05.000 And then she kept going.

00:44:06.000 And then the next day, she planned a bunch of people for me to interview.

00:44:08.000 And they all backed out because they were too scared to speak out against the fraud.

00:44:12.000 And so I was like, okay, well, there's something here.

00:44:14.000 I had known about it.

00:44:15.000 And then the man, David, who had been gathering information for years because they didn't want to release the money numbers to the public, and a lot of these places won't.

00:44:24.000 Like, for instance, if you try to get the auditing for California, let's just say, I think the only one I could find was from 2023.

00:44:32.000 They don't even want to give you from 2024 because then people could go and do these investigations.

00:44:36.000 And actually, right now, they're like taking down parts of their websites.

00:44:39.000 To help you filter and search throughout stuff.

00:44:41.000 In Minnesota, they did that same exact thing when I did the video on the fraud.

00:44:45.000 They literally crashed down the website at the heat of it to try and hide the fraud.

00:44:51.000 Have you faced any other backlash from the left?

00:44:55.000 Have they threatened you with lawsuits?

00:44:57.000 Have they tried to basically tell you you're not allowed to do this?

00:45:01.000 No, because what I'm doing is true.

00:45:04.000 I'm going after, what are they going to sue me for?

00:45:07.000 Calling out the Layering Center.

00:45:08.000 I mean, the Layering Center literally packed up their bags and left.

00:45:12.000 I have to say, I really admire, as a guy who was a journalist myself, anyone who has an explicit scalp, so to speak, someone they took down.

00:45:20.000 And I think you have, to your credit, you took down, I think, the politician I think I might personally detest more than anyone else.

00:45:28.000 As a guy who's from the Midwest, I really don't like Tim Walz.

00:45:31.000 He's the exact type of person that I just really don't like as a Democrat.

00:45:38.000 How does it feel to have that to your credit, I think?

00:45:42.000 It's a nice trophy to have.

00:45:46.000 Do you get emails?

00:45:46.000 Do people from Minnesota contact you and say, like, thank you?

00:45:50.000 You've liberated us until the next Democrat takes office?

00:45:53.000 Yes, people were very, very happy that Tim Waltz decided to step down.

00:45:57.000 And that also just goes and proves that what I was doing was true and correct because why would he step down if there actually wasn't anything to be hiding from?

00:46:06.000 And so that was one of my favorite things when he started calling me like a far right conspiracy theorist, and then he called me a delusional far right conspiracy theorist, and then he said I was like, What did he say?

00:46:24.000 He said a lot of things, but I think he said, like, racist, like, yeah, he called us, like, all racist or whatnot for going after the fraud.

00:46:32.000 And that's the reason why people were not able to speak out or too afraid to speak out because your governor would then call you racist or a delusional conspiracy theorist for speaking out against the thing that made him drop out of reelection.

00:46:46.000 Sort of a how it started, how it's going sort of thing for him.

00:46:50.000 Yeah, it's a bad hill to.

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00:48:01.000 I imagine you get this question a lot, but I figure I'll get ahead of the audience here.

00:48:07.000 What's next?

00:48:08.000 You've got your sweatshirt that says, Where did my tax dollars go?

00:48:12.000 Where do you next want to see where it's going?

00:48:14.000 Yeah.

00:48:15.000 So after the Minnesota video, I got a lot of death threats because I literally took down a billion dollar enterprise that was taking place.

00:48:21.000 And so people get killed over millions of dollars.

00:48:24.000 Billions of dollars is a little bit more risky to even expose.

00:48:27.000 So after I did that, I did a video on the California fraud, the voting fraud, and just how easy it is for people to vote.

00:48:35.000 So I said, okay, maybe I'll get a little less death threats.

00:48:38.000 But this week I'm coming back out exposing millions and maybe billions of dollars in California.

00:48:44.000 So now I'm ready for it even more.

00:48:48.000 Can you tell us what the industry is this time?

00:48:50.000 Or any preview you can give us?

00:48:52.000 Or is that a secret?

00:48:53.000 Well, if you look at California, their budgets that keep going up for their thing called Medi Cal, every year it goes up by the billions.

00:49:00.000 There's not millions more people coming in, so it has something to do with that.

00:49:05.000 Just goes up every year?

00:49:06.000 Yeah, like it literally goes up exponentially every single year.

00:49:09.000 Like literally billions of dollars.

00:49:10.000 Yeah, you know, if I could have a recommendation, I was reading about this myself.

00:49:13.000 So, New York and Florida have pretty similar populations.

00:49:17.000 In fact, Florida overtook New York thanks to COVID.

00:49:20.000 And Florida is pretty famous for having a lot of older people there.

00:49:25.000 They like to retire there.

00:49:26.000 New York spends three times as much on Medicaid as Florida does.

00:49:29.000 Just New York City does.

00:49:30.000 Yeah.

00:49:30.000 Like New York City alone, which is crazy.

00:49:33.000 And I think, like you're seeing in these Democrat cities that charge the most in taxes, but then their quality of living is actually the worst and they have the most amount.

00:49:41.000 They're always in debt.

00:49:43.000 Like a lot of, most states are in debt, but these states are always like talking about, oh, we need this much more, we need to tax this much more.

00:49:50.000 And I think if they were actually taxed less, it would incentivize businesses to actually run profitable businesses versus relying on the government, which would actually help eliminate a lot of their waste and their debt because they're always trying to tax more.

00:50:04.000 And then yet they just raise their budgets by the billions.

00:50:07.000 And if they were to have more of a competitive way of doing business, they wouldn't have to be so reliant upon the government.

00:50:17.000 And I'm not like some genius or anything, but I think that just makes sense.

00:50:21.000 Like, if you're going to open a business, before you do it, figure out how to make it profitable.

00:50:26.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:50:28.000 Novel idea.

00:50:29.000 Or I guess you can just get taxpayers to pay for it every single time.

00:50:32.000 Exactly, and that's the problem in all these states they just want to rely upon the government.

00:50:35.000 Let's raise taxes, let's raise taxes.

00:50:37.000 But then they're actually never making money.

00:50:41.000 Like, the only money they're making is from us, but not from the person who's buying their product or the service they're providing.

00:50:48.000 A lot of these places don't actually provide the service.

00:50:52.000 How did you originally get started on this?

00:50:54.000 What was the first video you made that made you think, I'm going to be a guy who makes political videos for?

00:51:01.000 Well, the first one, it's funny because Congressman Biggs was here.

00:51:04.000 I had been to Amfest in 2023.

00:51:07.000 I saw some things saying, oh, Patriots are going to be uniting here at Phoenix, Arizona.

00:51:12.000 I was like, oh, this will be a good time to go interview some redneck hillbillies. 0.98

00:51:16.000 Maybe this will be interesting.

00:51:17.000 We'll talk to some people.

00:51:19.000 And then I got there and I was like, oh, all these people are so cool.

00:51:24.000 They're just here because they want the best for America.

00:51:27.000 Were you more towards the center or even on the left then?

00:51:29.000 No, I liked, I was a Trump, I've always liked Trump.

00:51:33.000 I remember watching The Apprentice with my grandpa.

00:51:39.000 So I always liked, but I thought Amfest, like, oh, this is some place where the rednecks are coming and we're all going to join in, have a big old MAGA party. 0.97

00:51:48.000 And I was like, okay, this will be some funny interviews, I guess.

00:51:51.000 And then I get there, I'm like, yeah, these people are all cool.

00:51:54.000 And then I start hearing about the border.

00:51:55.000 And my mom had been talking about the border for a long time because I was on a mission trip for our church.

00:52:00.000 So, for two years, I was pretty much not like I wasn't really paying attention much to the news.

00:52:05.000 And then I learned Spanish on that mission trip.

00:52:08.000 And then I talked to everyone at Amfest and, like, oh, the border's really bad.

00:52:12.000 And so I went down to the border all by myself.

00:52:15.000 And I had no idea what's going on.

00:52:17.000 I set up a tripod and I started interviewing people as they're coming across the border.

00:52:20.000 Did you tell your mom about this before you did that?

00:52:22.000 Yeah, I just told him, like, I'm just going to spend one more day in Phoenix.

00:52:25.000 And so I go down there and So, this is answering your question about how I kind of got into this, seeing this corruption.

00:52:32.000 And so, I get down there, and all these migrants are like celebrating coming across the border. 1.00

00:52:37.000 I'm like in my car, I'm like, oh my gosh, these people are coming across.

00:52:39.000 Like, I'm like, wait, why aren't they running?

00:52:42.000 And then I get over there, and they're like celebrating.

00:52:45.000 They're like hopping in camera.

00:52:46.000 I'm like, what the heck is going on?

00:52:48.000 And since I could speak Spanish to them, they start telling me everything.

00:52:52.000 And then I'm like, oh wow, this is going to be like a very interesting video.

00:52:56.000 And then 10 minutes later, Congressman Biggs drives by with some other guy.

00:53:00.000 They're like, do you guys know?

00:53:02.000 Who are you out here?

00:53:03.000 Don't you know there's a cartel war on the other side?

00:53:03.000 What are you doing?

00:53:05.000 I'm like, what?

00:53:09.000 And there was like an active cartel war going on the other side, but meanwhile, these migrants are like celebrating. 1.00

00:53:14.000 I'm like giving them like food.

00:53:15.000 I'm like, are you guys starving?

00:53:16.000 Like, you guys have been walking for a while?

00:53:18.000 Meanwhile, they had just been like trafficked over by the cartel and they were going to go hop in the van to then get put into a detention facility.

00:53:25.000 I don't even think you call it a detention facility here.

00:53:27.000 And then that's the same.

00:53:29.000 Welcome facility, probably.

00:53:31.000 Yeah, like a welcome facility.

00:53:34.000 And.

00:53:35.000 Then that same day, I got one of these phone numbers, like, okay, well, I want to make sure you're all right.

00:53:40.000 And then the next day, she's somehow in New York City.

00:53:41.000 I'm like, whoa, what's going on here?

00:53:43.000 And so that kind of just started the snowball of me, like, tracking down the migrant crisis and seeing, like, government corruption.

00:53:49.000 And I was one of the first people to ever expose, like, and have a migrant say, yeah, I've been living in this hotel in New York City for seven months for completely free. 0.54

00:53:58.000 And nobody knew that.

00:53:59.000 So I started just to see how, like, corrupt things were.

00:54:01.000 And then once you see how corrupt one side of it is, and it just happens to be most of the corruption is happening from the Democrats.

00:54:08.000 And so then I just kept going to more and more places, and it just unraveled itself into what it is now.

00:54:14.000 Did you know the president was going to shout out your work during the State of the Union?

00:54:19.000 That was pretty cool.

00:54:20.000 That was pretty cool.

00:54:23.000 The Somali fraudsters, the pirates, yeah, they definitely had it coming for them. 1.00

00:54:28.000 It's funny, I actually was hoping I was going to see Ilhan Omar there, and so I got invited to the State of the Union, and they put Ilhan Omar's guest right behind me.

00:54:40.000 And so I'm like looking.

00:54:42.000 I'm like looking just down at the chamber, and then I hear some Somalian language, and I look back, and it's Ilhan Omar.

00:54:49.000 And yeah, I really wanted to say hi to her, but I don't think she wanted to say hi back.

00:54:57.000 All right.

00:54:58.000 Nobody knows that.

00:54:58.000 I haven't told that story before yet.

00:55:01.000 I was like super eager to say hi to her, but yeah, I don't think she wanted to say hi.

00:55:06.000 Would that be like the white whale investigation if you could finally get 100% to the bottom of the whole brother thing?

00:55:13.000 Ooh.

00:55:14.000 Yeah, I mean, I think it's already confirmed that she did marry a brother.

00:55:17.000 Pretty much.

00:55:18.000 I think it's pretty likely at this point, but.

00:55:21.000 Very likely.

00:55:22.000 I think if she got deported, that would be like the biggest W out of this whole entire thing.

00:55:30.000 I really do think a lot of people want to see that happen.

00:55:32.000 As well, because at the State of the Union, for instance, this was the most telling thing of the whole entire thing for me.

00:55:39.000 Because I'm sitting on the top of the chamber, all the congressmen and congresswomen are down there, and there's only really one topic where everybody stood up about, and that was about condemning political violence when they mentioned Charlie Kirk.

00:55:49.000 And there's only her, and I think one other person didn't stand up.

00:55:54.000 So even the rest of the Democrats stood up, but she wouldn't.

00:55:57.000 And so that's very telling about the true person she is if she's not even able to condemn political violence.

00:56:04.000 In fact, she actually incites it.

00:56:06.000 After her fraud's exposed, she goes and tells everyone to go protest. 0.97

00:56:09.000 And so she is very not much a benefit for this country.

00:56:13.000 Like, she's not a benefit at all.

00:56:16.000 All right.

00:56:16.000 Well, I saw what a celebrity you are with all of the people here.

00:56:20.000 Certainly more so than me, probably because you have a much better hairline than me, I'm sure.

00:56:24.000 But I want to give them a chance to ask a few questions to you.

00:56:27.000 Of course.

00:56:27.000 So, what do we have here?

00:56:31.000 Right over here, please.

00:56:31.000 Just raise your hand if you have anything, and we'll get the mic to you.

00:56:34.000 Yeah.

00:56:35.000 Obviously, thanks for being here, Nick.

00:56:37.000 Question You've got a lot of supporters in this room, a lot of influential supporters.

00:56:40.000 How can we help you as you're going on this journey?

00:56:45.000 Okay.

00:56:48.000 So, the most important thing is for people to watch the videos, share them.

00:56:52.000 And I mean, security is not cheap, so if anyone wants to help with that, you're more than likely to donate.

00:56:57.000 But the most important thing is if you see something in your own city, DM me or email me so I can go and then investigate it because there's so much going on inside this country.

00:57:07.000 Like a lot of you, Talked to today, we're from California.

00:57:09.000 If you guys were from Minnesota, I'm sorry. 0.97

00:57:13.000 Where do we donate?

00:57:15.000 Just come talk to me.

00:57:16.000 But there's actually a website called supportnickshirley.com as well.

00:57:21.000 And I should shout out you, even your ex account, you can subscribe to that ex account.

00:57:25.000 Oh, yeah, you can subscribe to me on X. Do you have other subscription stuff?

00:57:29.000 X is the best one because 100% goes to you, unlike other platforms.

00:57:32.000 Great, great.

00:57:33.000 Have you ever contemplated having, I don't know what the term would be, maybe a farm system?

00:57:37.000 Like, have you ever had a tip and you can't get to that town, but you know someone who's closer to it?

00:57:42.000 Yes, so right now I'm actually developing a website called Anti Fraud Club.com.

00:57:47.000 And that's where you see this shirt right here.

00:57:49.000 The back of it says Anti Fraud Taxpayer Club.

00:57:52.000 And so I'm actually trying to make it available so people can go inside of their own cities.

00:58:00.000 Because what I did in California is the HHS actually opened up their databases to the public.

00:58:04.000 And so I'm actually trying to figure out a way to come up with a decentralized version of Doge and then help other people go out and find the fraud inside their places.

00:58:13.000 And then they can then platform it on my site.

00:58:15.000 And it's all going to be completely free for people to use.

00:58:18.000 And then I'm going to teach people essentially how to go in and do it.

00:58:23.000 And so that will be cool.

00:58:26.000 The site's going to be free, but I think to learn from me, I might charge a $5 fee or something, but just so I can keep the site up.

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00:59:34.000 Hi, Nick.

00:59:35.000 Hello.

00:59:35.000 So I'm a big fan.

00:59:37.000 And I do speak hillbilly because I'm from Georgia.

00:59:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:41.000 So there are a couple of us here from Georgia, but.

00:59:43.000 We would love for you to come in and expose Fulton County.

00:59:47.000 I've heard a lot about Fulton County.

00:59:51.000 A few Charlie episodes about that place.

00:59:52.000 So, that is a gerrymandered big section of Atlanta.

00:59:56.000 Okay.

00:59:57.000 And you probably heard the Buckhead, which is the wealthy section, has been trying to separate because they don't get support, but they want Buckhead's money for the city.

01:00:06.000 But there are just layers and layers and layers of corruption and fraud with it, especially the voter fraud.

01:00:14.000 They have been picking up.

01:00:15.000 Homeless people taking them in to vote. 0.51

01:00:18.000 There have been people.

01:00:18.000 There's a guy that's actually been on Instagram.

01:00:21.000 Hillary, do you know his name?

01:00:24.000 Okay, but he has been going in and he has found that they have that people that voted were registered at cemeteries, the addresses at vacant lots.

01:00:37.000 So this is going on in Atlanta and we would love for you to come there.

01:00:41.000 Yeah, I think that'd be a great video for me to go do.

01:00:44.000 So I'll take you up on that one.

01:00:46.000 Do you have like a maybe a tier list or a rank list of?

01:00:48.000 Places you most want to go to that you haven't yet?

01:00:51.000 Yeah, but I gotta keep that one a secret.

01:00:55.000 But that's on there.

01:00:57.000 I think that'd be really good because in California, for instance, and I did a video just to show how easy it would be to vote in general without voter ID.

01:01:05.000 There was a lady, this also goes back to me talking about how non controversial issues have become controversial.

01:01:10.000 There was a lady who registered her dog to vote. 0.94

01:01:12.000 She was Republican.

01:01:14.000 The dog voted twice, once successfully, the second time didn't go successfully, and then she then turned herself in.

01:01:21.000 You had Democrats the next day defending the dog.

01:01:28.000 We're pro dog people.

01:01:29.000 We're pro dog people, but the fact was, whether it was a Democrat or Republican, just to show that a dog's registered to vote, you had a person literally, not even a person, you had thousands of people defending the dog.

01:01:42.000 And they didn't see the issue, because it's not a right or left issue, but because they made it a left or right issue, it became one, but they couldn't say that.

01:01:52.000 It's not good that a dog was registered to vote.

01:01:55.000 Would you rather have dogs voting or dead people or illegals? 1.00

01:01:59.000 Give us a ranking.

01:02:00.000 I mean, I think a dog would probably be smarter.

01:02:05.000 But hopefully, none of them.

01:02:07.000 Hi, Nick.

01:02:08.000 Nice to see you.

01:02:08.000 Thank you so much for what you do.

01:02:09.000 So, quick question where did you get your sweatshirt?

01:02:11.000 Because I want to buy one.

01:02:12.000 Yes, these are ShirleyDefense.com.

01:02:14.000 They'll be out next hour or so.

01:02:15.000 Sweet.

01:02:16.000 Okay.

01:02:16.000 Second question.

01:02:17.000 I don't know if you get this a lot, but how does your faith play into what you do?

01:02:20.000 Because I know you mentioned your church and stuff like that.

01:02:22.000 So, how does that really play into your role?

01:02:25.000 Yeah, it plays a lot into, I think, just who I am in general.

01:02:28.000 And today I have my grandpa here as well.

01:02:30.000 He's right there.

01:02:31.000 I brought him with me.

01:02:32.000 And so, having people around me that are also in the Same morals and my faith played a big role into it because I think it saved me from a lot of things when I was growing up.

01:02:45.000 With like just everything that a young man goes through these days, my morals were super strong because of my faith and because of the people I looked up to, whether it was my grandpa, Jesus, just having those strong figures in my life I really looked up to, it saved me from really ever getting down into anything that I shouldn't have been into.

01:03:03.000 And so nowadays, like just like how I go about doing my stuff, I don't ever, I don't, my goal is never for someone to be like, oh, Nick's part of this religion or that religion, just like, oh no, he follows Jesus Christ.

01:03:16.000 I think that's the most important thing for me.

01:03:25.000 Anyone else out there?

01:03:27.000 Got one there.

01:03:33.000 Oh, I can tell.

01:03:34.000 We got more of them.

01:03:36.000 I don't need a mic, but I'll use one.

01:03:38.000 Thank you so much.

01:03:40.000 And I agree, there's a lot of fraud, and I know all the key conservative people who've exposed this.

01:03:49.000 And one thing I want y'all to remember we have an awful Republican Secretary of State. 0.89

01:03:55.000 His name is Brad Rattensberger. 0.97

01:03:59.000 It's not really, it's Raffensberger, but he's a rat, and he's still running. 0.93

01:04:05.000 And he registered again under a Republican ticket. 0.95

01:04:09.000 And I just got to tell you all this story.

01:04:12.000 He called me three or four years ago.

01:04:15.000 He knew me.

01:04:16.000 I'm active in politics.

01:04:18.000 And he said, Will you give me some money?

01:04:20.000 And I said, Have you lost your mind? 1.00

01:04:23.000 You are a traitor, sir. 1.00

01:04:25.000 And I went off on him and he listened. 1.00

01:04:28.000 And then all of a sudden, he said, Well, I guess you're not going to give me any money.

01:04:32.000 I said, No, but he called me again four months ago.

01:04:36.000 I'm just saying, this is a corrupt state, my state.

01:04:42.000 Yeah, and I think just in general, we're seeing how corrupt everything is.

01:04:45.000 I mean, because it's not a blue state thing, it's a many state thing.

01:04:50.000 Because, yeah, it's in all states.

01:04:53.000 And you're seeing it now, which is interesting that now you're even seeing the administration put a focus on it.

01:04:59.000 They literally have opened up a whole new thing, I don't know if it's a department or agency or whatever, but they opened up a whole new thing just to crack down on the fraud.

01:05:07.000 I think there's a new attorney general.

01:05:10.000 JD Vance is heading this new department, I think, about the fraud, which is a direct reaction to what we exposed in Minnesota, because they weren't really talking about it before.

01:05:23.000 No, I think.

01:05:25.000 And the thing with these fraudsters is they got away with it for so long, and it was literally right in front of our face.

01:05:30.000 The leering center was in front of everyone's face.

01:05:33.000 Yeah, it really was.

01:05:34.000 And I want to give you credit for this that your video, of course, gets 150 million views, but.

01:05:40.000 As an example, CBS News just did a big story on, I believe it was hospice fraud in California.

01:05:47.000 And that's another thing where we've been seeing allegations about that for a long time.

01:05:51.000 And it's almost the novel idea we've had dozens of different publications in this country, and they can write yet another story about how Trump is Hitler or something.

01:06:01.000 Or you could cover something that half of America would find immediately compelling, and no one is talking about it, and it is right in front of your face.

01:06:10.000 And I guess that's probably your message to other young people.

01:06:12.000 So much stuff is right in front of you.

01:06:14.000 If you just pick up a camera, pick up a microphone.

01:06:17.000 Yeah, and not every person needs to go and become a YouTuber, but they can go and do their own little investigation.

01:06:24.000 If they see something, then take it to the person who you can go and take that to.

01:06:27.000 There's a lot of people that work inside of the state governments, and a lot of people who actually do get into politics because they want to make change.

01:06:34.000 So there's a lot of people in the government who actually do want to create change.

01:06:37.000 It's not just a bunch of crazies that are trying to destroy the United States.

01:06:41.000 There's a lot of them, but there's also a lot of really good people who are trying to make a difference.

01:06:45.000 Do you have any sense, maybe, where in government you're most likely to find someone who'd be helpful, who might give you a helpful tip?

01:06:55.000 That's a tough question.

01:06:57.000 Well, I think a lot of the public record, a lot of this information, if you request it, they have to give it to you.

01:07:04.000 So, depending on what kind of fraud you want to look at, you need to then go and find the department that's underneath that.

01:07:10.000 And a lot of that information should be public information.

01:07:12.000 You just have to request it.

01:07:13.000 And sometimes, like David, had a request for years to get those numbers because they didn't want to release it.

01:07:18.000 And then he eventually had somebody from inside the Capitol release it to him.

01:07:22.000 So, it is like you do have to go around a lot to make it happen because they don't want the fraud to be.

01:07:27.000 And that's one of the reasons why there is so much fraud because they have made it so complicated.

01:07:31.000 It's like almost too complicated sometimes.

01:07:34.000 And I believe even in Minnesota, they've been hiding information about daycares now, which that's one way to respond to finding what you found.

01:07:41.000 Yeah, the way to hide fraud is to make it super complex where people can't really track it down.

01:07:46.000 Just look up how funding goes.

01:07:48.000 Like, look up on your AI how does funding work for daycares in California?

01:07:51.000 There's like four different categories for them to get money from the government.

01:07:55.000 Like, why do you need four different categories to get money to run a daycare?

01:07:59.000 Like, how's that even possible?

01:08:01.000 Like, what's the purpose of that?

01:08:02.000 Shouldn't it just be as simple as.

01:08:05.000 It should be very simple.

01:08:08.000 Like, shouldn't one category be enough?

01:08:11.000 I think we have time for one or two more.

01:08:13.000 Thanks for coming in today.

01:08:15.000 I just want to echo what the two ladies from Georgia said in terms of topics to cover, probably with even more focus in the coming months about election integrity.

01:08:24.000 I think this is such a vital component.

01:08:27.000 And have you ever considered uniting with, I don't know, James O'Keefe or any of the other people who do what you do so well?

01:08:34.000 To really pressure Congress to do something about this before the next elections because we're not sure how it's going to turn out, but this has got to be done.

01:08:43.000 Yeah, James is a good friend.

01:08:44.000 A lot of other journalists, like Savannah Hernandez, is a great friend.

01:08:47.000 Cam Higbee is a great friend.

01:08:48.000 And I think, honestly, when you tackle these topics, I'm trying to determine if it's better to do it all at once or come at it at different angles.

01:08:59.000 And so I've done videos with James in the past, for instance, and he's a great person.

01:09:03.000 And I do think it would be beneficial to do something together as well.

01:09:08.000 To kind of really just drop a bomb of dynamite on them.

01:09:13.000 We'll go one more question, Blake.

01:09:16.000 Hi, Nick.

01:09:17.000 My name is Patrick.

01:09:18.000 I'm from San Diego.

01:09:20.000 My father in law recently had a rental property in Spring Valley, which is predominantly a Caldean community.

01:09:28.000 And he said within a few days, he got like, I don't know, 20 requests, and they were mainly Section 8 housing.

01:09:37.000 And he said he would bring the people in and they would check it out.

01:09:40.000 And there were just so many, like, there were stories of like 120,000-dollar Mercedes pulling up.

01:09:48.000 And I guess how it works with Section 8 housing is I think they only have to pay about 10% of the rent per month.

01:09:55.000 So your rent's like $3,000, the applicant or whoever only has to pay like $300 a month.

01:10:01.000 And they could own a 7 Eleven or they could be making a few hundred thousand dollars a year and they're not spending any money on rent and they're not spending any money on taxes.

01:10:11.000 We're all paying for them to live.

01:10:15.000 Have you thought about maybe approaching that or that would be a little more difficult because?

01:10:20.000 You know, going to a business as far as you know, yeah, so that just goes to show like how bad the fraud is, like it's everywhere, whether it's the daycares, the hospice centers, or the homes.

01:10:31.000 Like, Section 8, like what he's talking about, Section 8, and so I mean, there's a lot of fraud to tackle.

01:10:36.000 I'm only one man, but we're working on expanding it.

01:10:40.000 A line I saw someone remark the other day is we actually just had the number of American adults who are not in the labor force has, I believe, passed the previous record high, which was during COVID, and as he pointed out.

01:10:51.000 We're not seeing people starve to death, so people are getting by somehow.

01:10:56.000 And a lot of it is through there's one government program after another.

01:11:00.000 And as you saw, so many of these businesses that are fraud adjacent, you'll have your daycare center and your Medicaid center and your medical transport company, and they'll all conveniently be in the same building.

01:11:12.000 Oh, it's so bad.

01:11:13.000 And think about how much more of a benefit these people would be to society if they spent the same amount of time on thinking about how to defraud us. 0.97

01:11:22.000 Versus actually getting a job and providing some sort of benefit to society.

01:11:28.000 Imagine that, imagine that.

01:11:31.000 And fraud schemes aren't small, they're billions of dollars.

01:11:35.000 They're complicated.

01:11:36.000 Anything else out there?

01:11:41.000 Prosecution.

01:11:43.000 Yeah, so in Minnesota, they found, for instance, the main daycare that was receiving $3.67 million.

01:11:51.000 The lady tried to flee to the UK on a one way ticket, and they caught her and arrested her at the airport.

01:11:56.000 And then they just arrested another person with autism, or not with autism.

01:12:06.000 His IQ, never mind, I'm not going to go there.

01:12:10.000 So he got arrested for autism center fraud.

01:12:14.000 And so now that the evidence is there, I think this is what I hope the federal government is waiting, or not waiting, but they're gathering all the information so that when it does come time to do those prosecutions, they can then just go and tackle them all.

01:12:30.000 Yeah, my personal take is if you're in a red state, what you can advocate for now is I know we aren't fans of big government, but you can say, let's hire more prosecutors in our state AG's office and go after these things.

01:12:44.000 The federal prosecutor said, I am prosecuting as much of this as I can.

01:12:48.000 There is just too much of it for us to get all of it.

01:12:51.000 And I suspect that's the case in many places.

01:12:53.000 But I'm being told we need to wrap.

01:12:55.000 So.

01:12:56.000 Surely everybody.

01:12:57.000 Thank you everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 03, 2026

Andy Biggs and Nick Shirley in Phoenix

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