The entire Turning Point Action machinery is getting behind the true conservative endorsed by President Trump. The election is still a way out but we are planting the flag and I make the case as to why Andy Biggs will be a phenomenal governor and why we need to unite behind him.
00:00:00.000Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
00:00:04.000Big news, we have endorsed Andy Biggs for governor of Arizona.
00:00:07.000The entire Turning Point Action machinery is getting behind the true conservative endorsed by President Trump.
00:00:13.000Andy Biggs, the election is still a way out, but we are planting the flag, and I make the case as to why Andy Biggs will be a phenomenal governor, a great candidate, and why we need to unite behind Andy Biggs to be governor of State 48. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
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00:02:06.000You know, you are the leader in the conservative movement today around the country, and to have your endorsement and your team's endorsement, that means so much.
00:02:20.000Yes, and so tell us why you're running, and this is an incredible opportunity because this state voted for President Trump more so than any other battleground state.
00:02:31.000We are increasingly a red state, but we have a Democrat governor.
00:02:33.000We have a Democrat secretary of state.
00:02:42.000We're on the cusp of turning this state red again.
00:02:44.000And it has to go red again because if you think of everything from the border security problem that we had under this current governor, first thing she did, Charlie, was disband the Border Security Task Force, which has led to higher crime.
00:02:56.000We're the gateway to fentanyl in the country.
00:05:12.000I called him up when he announced, and I had already announced, and I said, Byron, you know what's going to happen about 90 days after we're elected?
00:05:51.000I like to say, you know, it's one thing to have his endorsements, but it's another thing to, you know, have a personal relationship with a guy.
00:10:02.000And build this state and provide these great jobs and then protect, you know, you've got to protect the water and the range management that we have to deal.
00:10:13.000So forest has got to be taken care of.
00:10:15.000This is a biodiverse state that people don't recognize.
00:10:19.000You go 90 miles north of here to Payson, you think you're in Colorado.
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00:11:25.000This is a word that comes up all the time, but does anyone know what it really means?
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00:13:54.000Yeah, they're not going to get those cuts.
00:13:56.000So explain to me that in the budget vote that just failed, was this as the president submitted it, or did Congress change what the president submitted?
00:14:04.000The framework was largely there, but they changed the details.
00:14:10.000So the way to think of it is you put a work requirement on able-bodied adults who are receiving benefits, right?
00:14:19.000None of that kicks in until after President Trump's out of office.
00:14:22.000And that's a $360 billion savings over 10 years, but it needs to be spread out over the whole 10 years.
00:14:28.000And because, as you know, after President Trump's out of office, a new president or a new Congress could come in and just wipe that out and kill that savings.
00:14:37.000Yeah, and so while, everybody, this is a little bit of a shocking news item.
00:14:57.000And we've got to get people back into the room and say, hey, we have to have real cuts and not just future projected, hope so promising cuts.
00:15:05.000Because, as Steve Bannon would say, the bond markets get a vote, too.
00:15:09.000And if we are going to ignore the fiscal apocalypse, the looming national debt and deficit, then what good are we doing here?
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00:19:24.000So you are an expert, I would say, on how the founders would view certain issues, how they would view political matters.
00:19:32.000How would the founders interpret the idea of birthright citizenship in its current form in this country?
00:19:40.000The founders, of course, would have been happy with birthright citizenship for children of citizens.
00:19:47.000And, of course, that's primarily what...
00:19:51.000What birthright citizenship meant to them.
00:19:53.000In today's world, there's this new idea, especially being promoted on the left, that birthright ought to apply to children who are not children of citizens, and in fact, who are citizens of other countries.
00:20:08.000And even, of course, in the case of illegal.
00:20:35.000That is the social compact is the agreement among a group of individuals who decide we're going to be fellow citizens together.
00:20:44.000Once that compact is formed, it's an agreement binding.
00:20:48.000On the existing citizens to obey the law, but at the same time to enjoy the privileges of the law.
00:20:58.000And that, of course, is very different from from what we're used to now, where citizenship has come to mean something like access to benefits and not too much.
00:21:12.000We don't hear too much anymore about duties, things like.
00:21:16.000Serving in the military, perhaps, in time of war.
00:21:23.000And so for them, if you're somebody who wants to join an existing social compact, that's something that ought to be done only when there's consent on both sides.
00:21:38.000The basic principle of the founding, all men are created equal, meant...
00:21:45.000That you have a right to liberty, and that that right to liberty then expresses itself when you form a compact, when you agree with others to become part of a government.
00:22:00.000And that means that once the government is formed, it has a right to liberty in regard to the rest of the world.
00:22:07.000It gets to decide on its own policies.
00:22:11.000Any relationship with non-citizens has to be based on either the voluntary consent, as in the case of immigration policy that permits immigration, or non-consent, in which case we close the borders or perhaps even go to war in the extreme case.
00:22:32.000But that's what it means to be a citizen and to have a right to liberty.
00:22:40.000Enforced and implemented by government.
00:22:43.000And so we're far off that mark that the founders set and that they believed in.
00:22:52.000Why would you say, I want to reiterate this because you understand natural rights very well, why was birthright citizenship or is birthright citizenship a denial of both natural rights of both citizens and non-citizens?
00:24:10.000And all of a sudden, then they're subject to the draft, subject to paying income tax for life, subject to any kind of claim that the United States government has a right to make on anyone who is a citizen.
00:24:22.000And that's a denial of their right to liberty, right?
00:24:25.000They were just, their attitude, their point, what their attitude might have been, I just came here to visit.
00:24:31.000Not to find my kids all of a sudden stuck in this position of having all kinds of duties to America throughout their lives.
00:24:39.000And that's why that's a violation of their rights as well.
00:24:43.000That's why, from the point of view of the founders, it has to be consent both ways.
00:24:47.000The citizens have to consent to the newcomers, and the newcomers have to consent to be part of America.
00:24:55.000And we've so lost sight of that that it's really almost impossible any longer to discuss this topic without people getting confused about, I don't know, the rights of the whole world to welfare or health care or whatever it is that we have to offer here, better jobs, a better police force.
00:25:16.000The whole concept of citizenship would exclude all of that.
00:25:22.000The idea is that everyone else in the world is supposed to take care of themselves.
00:25:25.000That's what citizenship means, both for us and for other nations.
00:25:30.000I mean, it's so self-evident that if you deprive other countries the ability to be self-reliant and to take individual responsibility, they will weaken.
00:25:41.000And then you only actually further subsidize.
00:25:45.000The decline of both their country and your own.
00:25:47.000So there was, let's just say, a looming question some would have about citizenship, and some would argue that the 14th Amendment partly set that straight.
00:25:56.000From the text of the 14th Amendment, I know that you're not a legal scholar, but you are a great historian.
00:26:02.000What would you say about the 14th Amendment and how it connects to this idea of birthright citizenship?
00:26:08.000Do you think the intent of the 14th Amendment and the way the founders viewed the structure of our government should apply to somebody on birth tourism?
00:26:16.000The 14th Amendment was written by people who were fully conscious of the principles of the founding and who quoted them all the time in the congressional debates.
00:26:25.000This is common knowledge among scholars of that period.
00:26:31.000So the idea that birthright citizenship should include the children of non-citizens was explicitly ruled out in the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which preceded the 14th Amendment by two years.
00:26:49.000In the 66 Act, they explicitly said that the rights that they were listing in the law...
00:27:00.000Did not apply to foreigners, which meant children of foreigners.
00:27:04.000And when the 14th Amendment was written, instead of explicitly saying it doesn't apply to foreigners, they used the phrase that citizens had to be born here and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
00:27:23.000And so subject to the jurisdiction from the point of view of those people who made the 14th Amendment was meant to be more or less equivalent to not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, meant subject to the jurisdiction of a foreign power.
00:27:41.000So any citizen of another nation would automatically have been excluded from the 14th Amendment definition of citizenship.
00:27:50.000And for a long time, that was understood in the legal community, in the courts, when it came to Questions arose of like, is so-and-so a citizen?
00:28:06.000Quite a lot of time had to pass after the 14th Amendment before people began to introduce into it the much more strained and artificial reading, which I think is incorrect, that we are now living with.
00:29:29.000In closing here, Dr. West, the intent of the founders is lost on so many of our political leaders.
00:29:36.000You teach a phenomenal course at Hillsdale College.
00:29:39.000Inform our audience about your scholarship.
00:29:43.000And the work that you do at Hillsdale College and primarily the work you've done on online courses to try to educate the masses on the founders' view of natural rights and the structure of the U.S. Constitution.
00:29:54.000Yes, we've done a whole series of video courses at the college here.
00:30:04.000I highly recommend those courses for people who are interested in this question.
00:30:11.000My take on the founding, I think I would say, is not only a response to the leftist critique that the founders didn't really believe in equality.
00:30:28.000But the other more interesting debate is a critique coming from the right.
00:30:32.000The founders are too interested in liberty and equality and therefore prepare the way for what we have now in 20th, 21st century liberalism.
00:31:00.000I'm going to keep that for another segment because I'm so glad you said it that way.
00:31:04.000That was one of the great insights I've gathered from your work, because I'm told by professors and from activists on campuses, not Hillsdale, the founders were a bunch of liberals.
00:31:13.000They were small-L liberals that were simply enlightenment, but your scholarship shows no.
00:31:18.000Actually, they were far more conservative than you would ever give them credit for.
00:31:22.000Dr. West, please tell us more about the founders, because I am told that they were liberals.
00:31:29.000The common view on these campuses is that they were...
00:31:33.000They were trying to change the structure of British governance and the declaration was fundamentally a small-l liberal statement.
00:31:42.000What is your contention and what would you like to share with the audience?
00:31:47.000I think the mistake that a lot of conservatives make is they hear the words equality and liberty and they just assume they have the same idea about that that people today do when they have Transform those terms into something very different from the founding.
00:32:05.000You can just take the case of immigration itself, for example.
00:32:09.000For the founders, the character of the people was fundamental to the future of a free country.
00:32:20.000They believed you had to have a people that had enough character, enough self-restraint, but also self-assertion, like courage, virtues like courage.
00:32:41.000Well, where do we want our immigrants from?
00:32:42.000And the answer predominantly was we need European immigrants.
00:32:45.000We want people who are going to be able to assimilate, not just in the sense of being able to mouth the slogans, you know, all men are created equal, which is the way it's often discussed today.
00:32:56.000But rather like people who had the right kind of character and the right kind of moral orientation to be serious and earnest citizens.
00:33:04.000And you could say one of the ways in which you also see this element in the founding is their preoccupation with education, like moral education.
00:33:16.000There had to be, from their point of view, a citizen body that understood virtues like justice, moderation, courage.
00:33:27.000Topics that are discussed in several of the state constitutions as essential to a free country.
00:33:33.000Conservatives today are often unaware of those kinds of features of the founding, and yet they were fundamentally, they were central from the point of view of the founders themselves.
00:33:44.000And third example, you can take the family from the point of view of the founders.
00:35:34.000They want us to think that what equality means is making everybody the same, giving everybody the same income, homogenizing the population, cutting down on people who have excellence, getting away from meritocracy, getting away from aspiring to excellence and strength.
00:35:55.000That was, from the point of view of the founders, what liberty was for.
00:35:59.000Full development of the human virtues and qualities that make man great when he is at his peak.
00:36:04.000And now today, we've substituted for that in the same name, the name of equality and liberty, this other ideal, the ideal of making everybody the same, pushing us down into a kind of morass of mediocrity, and turning that into a definition of what virtue is and freedom.
00:36:25.000And so, you know, that's unfortunate that...
00:36:28.000That we no longer understand this, but it was.
00:36:30.000No, it's part of an agenda that led to that change.