The Charlie Kirk Show - Another Trans Shooter Strikes

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00:01:09.000 Hello, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 I'm Blake.

00:01:12.000 Andrew is also with us.

00:01:13.000 I believe he's in Palm Beach.

00:01:14.000 I'm not sure if we have a connection with him or not.

00:01:17.000 We don't have him yet.

00:01:18.000 All righty.

00:01:19.000 Well, we'll just jump right into it.

00:01:21.000 There's a lot going on today.

00:01:23.000 But the story we wanted to start with today is one that I think affects certainly all of us here in a more personal way than it ever did before.

00:01:34.000 Yesterday, there was a mass shooting in Canada.

00:01:38.000 This is in the town of Tumblr Ridge, it's in northern British Columbia.

00:01:43.000 A town of only a few thousand people, very far away from anywhere else.

00:01:49.000 And there was a shooter there, and there's been 10 fatalities, including the shooter himself.

00:01:55.000 But what stands out about this is it fits into a micro pattern that has emerged over the past few years.

00:02:03.000 The police originally identified the shooter as a woman in a dress with brown hair.

00:02:13.000 I think if you're like me, if you're like a lot of people, that immediately makes you raise an eyebrow. 0.86

00:02:19.000 A woman in a dress. 0.97

00:02:22.000 And unsurprisingly, what a lot of people immediately jump to is this is probably a transgender person who has done a shooting.

00:02:30.000 And that was only supported when the police came out, and this is the Canadian police, of course, and began referring to the shooter as a word I'm not sure any of us have ever heard before.

00:02:42.000 Let's play clip 351. 0.53

00:02:44.000 That includes the deceased gun person.

00:02:46.000 Okay.

00:02:47.000 And then separately, do you know the gun person's relationship to the.

00:02:51.000 A gun person, not a gunman. 0.62

00:02:54.000 I think even when a woman does a shooting, it's usually just gunmen. 1.00

00:02:58.000 But this time, it's a gun person.

00:03:02.000 And so I'm not going to recite the name purely because the Canadian police have not officially identified the shooter yet.

00:03:09.000 But we have very, very strong, I would say, overwhelming evidence that this shooter was.

00:03:14.000 A local transgender individual.

00:03:17.000 This person killed two people in their own family at their home and then went to their school and went on a spree shooting. 0.68

00:03:24.000 And this is something that personally affects me because I remember when the Covenant School shooting happened in the spring of 2023.

00:03:33.000 I just started working with Charlie, and that shooter, of course, turned out to have a transgender identification along with a bunch of other issues. 0.81

00:03:42.000 And Charlie predicted on this show that he thought there would be a wave of.

00:03:49.000 Transgender shooters of one kind or another.

00:03:52.000 And I was skeptical.

00:03:53.000 I said, Charlie, they're a very tiny share of the population, under 1%.

00:03:58.000 Shootings like this are rare events generally.

00:04:02.000 And I just, I don't think you're likely to see, you know, 1% times a tiny number turn into a real trend.

00:04:08.000 And the truth is, Charlie was right and I was wrong because since then we had the shooting at Annunciation Catholic in Minneapolis. 0.95

00:04:16.000 That was a transgender shooter. 0.97

00:04:18.000 We've had, uh, We hadn't known about this at the time or noticed it, but Highlands Ranch in Colorado, there was a shooting there, two shooters, and one of them was transgender. 0.62

00:04:26.000 And of course, as all of you know, Tyler Robinson, the suspect who we believe to be guilty of Charlie's shooting, he appears to have been motivated.

00:04:36.000 He was not transgender himself, but was in a relationship with a transgender individual and seems to have been motivated ideologically by that cause.

00:04:45.000 And now, this shooter, we're getting the person who's very likely the shooter, we're getting details.

00:04:50.000 Someone found their Reddit account.

00:04:52.000 This person was taking.

00:04:54.000 A super dose of Zoloft, 280 milligrams a day.

00:04:58.000 I checked online.

00:04:59.000 The starting dose is 25 milligrams, goes up to 200.

00:05:03.000 This person was taking 280.

00:05:05.000 They were supplementing that with marijuana.

00:05:07.000 They were taking something called 5 MEO DMT, which is a psychoactive drug that you get from licking Arizona desert toad.

00:05:20.000 You extract that and get a psychoactive experience. 0.67

00:05:23.000 And then this person was taking a giant pile of hormones because they thought they should be the opposite sex. 0.99

00:05:29.000 And what I have to say is, I think we're going to see more things like this because we're seeing, we're reaping the harvest that was sown about a decade ago when we started to have the transgender cultural contagion spread. 0.94

00:05:44.000 It started with a handful of families in the Bay Area, elite families. 0.99

00:05:49.000 They had this kind of, let's say it, a fetish that was indulged and fed.

00:05:56.000 And then we blasted it out to the entire world with media and with the Obama administration encouraging.

00:06:02.000 Insurance companies to cover this.

00:06:04.000 And then we had activists take over medical professional organizations and egg them on into saying, yeah, if your kid says, oh, they feel unhappy about going through puberty or they don't like being a boy or don't like being a girl, we are going to put them on a rocket ship towards getting irreversible surgeries and we're going to put them on a ton of hormones.

00:06:23.000 And the truth is, these are all very mentally unwell people who are probably not going to respond well to a giant cocktail of chemicals being thrown at their brain.

00:06:34.000 And what started as A very niche thing with a handful of people has turned into a broad based thing.

00:06:40.000 Like I said, Tumblridge, small town in rural Canada.

00:06:44.000 And if you go across America, everyone in America has had this encounter.

00:06:47.000 You know, someone at their school, it's a boy who says she's a girl, he's a girl now, grew out their hair, you know, wears a different outfit.

00:06:55.000 And these people over and over are not mentally well and they gravitate together in online spaces where they're fed a very radicalizing ideology.

00:07:05.000 They're told, Everyone must accept you, or they're trying to commit genocide against you.

00:07:10.000 They're denying your right to exist.

00:07:13.000 And.

00:07:15.000 You have the right, and they're the ones who are most prone to interpret that literally and think, Oh, if someone is denying my right to exist, I should respond with violence.

00:07:25.000 I should lash out at the world.

00:07:28.000 This suspected shooter appears to on Reddit, besides posting about the insane number of drugs they were taking, they were taking, they were going to a shooting range and practicing, and they were posting clips of this on Trans Guns, which is a subreddit that exists for transgender people to practice with guns.

00:07:46.000 We've created a very Very toxic environment.

00:07:52.000 And I just shudder to think that we're probably going to have more events like this, more shooters like the ones who target Covenant School, like Annunciation Catholic, and like what happened with Charlie.

00:08:08.000 But in the meantime, we do have this very bleak denial where there's a true dynamic you notice with this shooting where they have the competing impulses where they realize.

00:08:20.000 That if they publicly announce, oh, it was a shooter and it was a transgender individual who may have been motivated by that, that will look bad.

00:08:28.000 But they've also been trained for a decade that they can't deny this person's pronouns. 0.53

00:08:33.000 So we get this bizarre situation where they're using gun person as their chosen lingo, but they won't confirm who the shooter is.

00:08:42.000 They've taken longer on this than I think they normally would with something like, because they still haven't confirmed it a day later.

00:08:48.000 And at this point, I think very easily could.

00:08:51.000 And We have clips that point this out.

00:08:54.000 Let's do 352. 0.96

00:08:56.000 But we know if it was a victim who was trans, because we understand this is a 15 year old boy who identifies as a girl, gun crazy. 0.66

00:09:05.000 If it had been a trans victim, they'd have talked nonstop about that, as they did about the tragedy of the killing of Brianna Jai, who was a boy who was living as if he was a girl and was treated as a girl by his parents, and he was killed. 0.53

00:09:20.000 He was not targeted for being gay, but most of the media reports go on and on and on about this trans killing because.

00:09:26.000 He was trans identified, but they ignore it when it's the perpetrator. 0.69

00:09:32.000 All right.

00:09:32.000 I'm told we do finally have Andrew with us in Palm Beach.

00:09:35.000 So, Andrew, welcome to the show.

00:09:38.000 And man, what a tragedy that I think all of us are horrified by.

00:09:43.000 We were letting you cook, Blake.

00:09:45.000 You made a lot of great points.

00:09:47.000 Yeah, I'm here in Palm Beach, the mothership for Real America's Voice with Rob and Parker Sig.

00:09:54.000 But yeah, this was a horrible shooting, and instantly you made the connection.

00:09:58.000 I thought about Charlie.

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00:11:11.000 On this trans shooting, Blake, you've really done a deep dive.

00:11:14.000 Bravo on that first segment.

00:11:15.000 You did fantastic.

00:11:18.000 But we got to play this clip from Charlie.

00:11:19.000 This was back in 2023.

00:11:21.000 You mentioned that Charlie was right and a lot of people were wrong.

00:11:24.000 Maybe even you were wrong, but he nailed it.

00:11:27.000 And it's creepy watching this stuff.

00:11:29.000 You know, one of our producers sent me this clip from 2023 and said, This is going to be hard to watch, but you have to play it.

00:11:35.000 And I agree.

00:11:37.000 You know, the way that everything went down with Charlie and the Tyler Robinson case, and you made mention of the fact that he was at least motivated by his.

00:11:45.000 You know, relationship with this trans identifying person.

00:11:49.000 So let's go ahead and play it.

00:11:51.000 This is from, I believe this is from March 28, 2023.

00:11:55.000 Play Cut 386. 1.00

00:11:57.000 Trans people have been made into kind of the sacred cow of American politics.

00:12:01.000 You can't question it, you can't criticize it. 1.00

00:12:07.000 And they believe they can threaten whoever they want. 0.95

00:12:09.000 This is the ultimate top of the Impression Olympics. 0.84

00:12:12.000 How many dead kids is it going to take for us to say we've probably gone too far here and we should just ask a couple questions? 0.77

00:12:18.000 How many mass shootings have to happen where we probably say, wait a second, you know, can we just calm down?

00:12:25.000 You know, and basically, Charlie goes on in that clip.

00:12:28.000 We have a second one, 397.

00:12:30.000 It might be worth playing.

00:12:31.000 But the media has so fixated, and by the way, Canada is worse than just about any other country.

00:12:37.000 It's worse than America.

00:12:38.000 It's probably worse than the UK, Blake.

00:12:40.000 But they were worried about the privacy of the shooter.

00:12:43.000 So this person kills nine people, wounds another 25.

00:12:47.000 Some of them may lose their life, kills his own family.

00:12:51.000 And they're worried about his privacy. 0.65

00:12:53.000 Think about how backwards that value system is that would prioritize the privacy of the shooter, call them a gun person, a lady in a dress, respect the hell out of this person, but they don't give two craps about the people that just got shot and killed. 0.95

00:13:09.000 Play Cut 397. 0.70

00:13:11.000 The media is actually pushing forward this total lie that there's a trans genocide. 0.93

00:13:17.000 Again, the Trans Day of Vengeance.

00:13:19.000 They have shirts where they say trans. 0.98

00:13:23.000 trans rights and they have all these weapons or else. 0.99

00:13:26.000 That is a threat. 1.00

00:13:29.000 Antifa and the trans mafia are now partners, and nobody's investigating them. 1.00

00:13:33.000 Now, no one's asking questions. 1.00

00:13:35.000 The media is terrified of these people.

00:13:39.000 And by the way, some of that fear is warranted.

00:13:43.000 You will get death threats.

00:13:44.000 They will try to come after you.

00:13:46.000 That's what they do.

00:13:49.000 They enjoy the violence against conservatives.

00:13:52.000 He was 100% right on that, as we learned to our horror.

00:13:56.000 And it really is.

00:13:58.000 If you look around online, if you start looking for the pattern, you see it over and over again because.

00:14:03.000 It's not just that they're radicalized. 0.51

00:14:05.000 It's routinely, even in stuff that's not specifically about transgenderism, often the most radical, the most extreme people in any movement are often the joke would be that they're the Tranissaries.

00:14:17.000 They're like the shock troops of leftism.

00:14:21.000 Often in bizarre ways, like a lot of the most militantly left wing moderators on websites like Wikipedia or on Reddit, they're often transgender. 0.83

00:14:30.000 And then they're the ones, for example, who would be really gung ho about censorship. 0.81

00:14:33.000 So the reason censorship on so many platforms went through the roof is. 0.99

00:14:37.000 You would have these transgender moderators and editors and such take it over, and they would just everything gets consumed into them and forcing their fetish, this contagion, on the entire population because they need that level of control. 0.99

00:14:53.000 Because, as people have pointed out, if they aren't endlessly having people affirm their identity, it's like giving Narcan to a heroin addict you're killing their high and you're driving them into a frenzy. 0.99

00:15:04.000 And then, on top of that, they're all medicated to the gills on toad venom and so on.

00:15:10.000 Andrew, but I wanted us to make sure that we hit another aspect of this because there is reason for hope.

00:15:16.000 This is all bad.

00:15:17.000 We're probably going to see more shootings like this in the years to come.

00:15:21.000 But a big reason for hope that happened in the last few days, and we haven't talked about it yet, we're going to also see the reckoning against the freaks and frauds and charlatans, the medical malpractice monsters in our schools and hospital systems who fed people into this contagion.

00:15:41.000 A couple weeks ago in New York, not a red state by any means, a New York jury awarded a woman, Fox Varian, $2 million in a medical malpractice case because she Her parents were going through a divorce.

00:15:56.000 They were fighting over custody.

00:15:58.000 She got depressed.

00:15:59.000 She was diagnosed with autism.

00:16:01.000 And as part of this, she started to identify as a boy, was put on a rocket ship, got a double mastectomy in about a year, under a year, and only got worse.

00:16:13.000 And then eventually detransitioned, went to a jury and said, This was medical malpractice.

00:16:18.000 I was not really a boy.

00:16:20.000 And they did all these things to me.

00:16:22.000 And she just got $1.6 million in.

00:16:26.000 Past pain and $400,000 to cover her future medical costs.

00:16:29.000 And if you look at the numbers from 2016 to 2020, according to the American Medical Association, we've had over 3,200 mastectomies on children 12 to 18, 405 genital surgeries.

00:16:43.000 Blake, how many?

00:16:45.000 Read that first stat again 3,215 mastectomies on 12 to 18 year olds from 2016 to 2020.

00:16:52.000 So, and that was before the peak.

00:16:54.000 I'd say the peak was probably 21, 22, maybe.

00:16:56.000 Maybe we're still peaking.

00:16:57.000 So we've probably had thousands more.

00:17:00.000 405 genital surgeries, 350 other gender related procedures, and that's on 12 to 18 year old children of both sexes.

00:17:08.000 Almost certainly the real number is higher.

00:17:10.000 And that's surgeries.

00:17:12.000 Never mind how many people took hormones because that's the first intervention they do, or puberty blockers.

00:17:18.000 We know the puberty blockers that wouldn't even fall into that age window.

00:17:21.000 That's often kids, you know, nine to 12 years old.

00:17:24.000 And that can massively mess you up.

00:17:26.000 That can lower your IQ. 0.65

00:17:27.000 That can.

00:17:28.000 Make you infertile for life, huge numbers of problems.

00:17:31.000 And now, the other day, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons basically came out against gender related surgery for minors.

00:17:44.000 I think we're opening the door to a wave. 1.00

00:17:47.000 Thousands of these lawsuits could be coming, and they should be coming. 1.00

00:17:51.000 Red states, we should make sure our laws are as amenable as possible to these lawsuits. 1.00

00:17:56.000 Make it so there's no window where, you know, there's no statute of limitations on it, no ceiling on the damages.

00:18:02.000 We should. 0.98

00:18:03.000 Utterly bankrupt every doctor, every clinic that fed children to this Moloch monstrosity. 0.95

00:18:11.000 Yeah, it's uh, you'd hope something like this will just further underscore something that is common sense to most Americans, but the fact that we're having to fight on this battle just shows how bad it has gotten. 0.75

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00:19:36.000 This was, I mean, if you watched any of the news last night, so I got in late into Palm Beach and I turned on the TV and it was like wall to wall coverage.

00:19:44.000 Like all the networks were covering it because this was, we are now in the 11th day of this Nancy Guthrie saga where she was kidnapped and people figured it out because she didn't make it to church and they called the family.

00:19:57.000 The family went and checked.

00:19:58.000 They immediately called 911 and got the cops involved.

00:20:01.000 And the investigation had stalled.

00:20:03.000 It just felt like there was no movement.

00:20:05.000 There was these.

00:20:06.000 Ransom letters that were getting sent to TMZ and local affiliates that included Bitcoin wallets.

00:20:13.000 And you saw Savannah Guthrie going on TV saying, please, you know, we want to talk.

00:20:19.000 And it does appear that there's been activity now in this Bitcoin wallet.

00:20:24.000 So originally there was $300 sent.

00:20:27.000 Now we're being told it could be all of it sent.

00:20:29.000 But Harvey Levin over TMZ is being very coy about what they know.

00:20:35.000 It is one of those.

00:20:37.000 Crazy stories that just seem to accelerate with a lot of velocity last night.

00:20:42.000 And so the FBI releases these ring doorbell footage that came from sort of residual data on this ring doorbell.

00:20:50.000 Nancy Guthrie did not have a subscription to keep the footage, to store the footage.

00:20:56.000 And so the FBI had to come in with their digital experts and recreate it, reverse engineer it.

00:21:02.000 And then they went and found a person of interest.

00:21:06.000 SWAT teams were sent out.

00:21:07.000 They investigated this guy.

00:21:10.000 It was.

00:21:13.000 Everybody last night was thinking, was this the guy that kidnapped her?

00:21:17.000 Was it somebody that was associated with the case?

00:21:19.000 And listen, when the networks like this and when the tabloids are all covering this story, it means there's a billion eyeballs on this thing.

00:21:28.000 This has captured the imagination of the country.

00:21:31.000 And it's just a really interesting story because, as Blake has mentioned, as I've mentioned, as Charlie used to mention, this is really close to the Mexican border.

00:21:41.000 And this person of interest was.

00:21:44.000 Pulled over in a traffic stop about 10 minutes from the Mexican border.

00:21:48.000 So it was actually south of Tucson where Nancy Guthrie lives.

00:21:50.000 It's pulled over in 10 minutes away from the border.

00:21:53.000 We're all thinking, uh oh, here we go.

00:21:55.000 Here we go now.

00:21:56.000 Could be the cartels.

00:21:57.000 Then they interview him.

00:21:58.000 This guy gets released.

00:21:59.000 He says he's innocent.

00:22:01.000 356.

00:22:02.000 What were they asking you about?

00:22:05.000 Whereabouts?

00:22:06.000 Okay.

00:22:06.000 Where do I work?

00:22:07.000 Where was I and all that?

00:22:08.000 But.

00:22:08.000 Are you ever up in Tucson?

00:22:10.000 Yeah, I work in Tucson.

00:22:11.000 What do you do?

00:22:11.000 TLS, deliver packages.

00:22:13.000 Okay, do you think you might have delivered a package to Nancy Guthrie's house?

00:22:16.000 I don't know.

00:22:17.000 Might have been a possibility.

00:22:18.000 I don't know.

00:22:19.000 Yeah, do you ever deliver like Amazon packages or anything?

00:22:21.000 Well, that's kind of the same thing.

00:22:23.000 Yeah.

00:22:24.000 So do you think you may have.

00:22:25.000 Did they ever.

00:22:26.000 Did they indicate that you might have been on her property?

00:22:28.000 Nah.

00:22:28.000 You're not sure?

00:22:29.000 Nah, they just came up.

00:22:30.000 They did.

00:22:31.000 Until right now, all I know is that they show my in-law.

00:22:35.000 A picture of somebody wearing a mask or something and they supposedly looked like my eyes.

00:22:41.000 Okay, so he denies this.

00:22:43.000 His, I guess his mother in law was doing interviews with MS Now or CNN last night as well.

00:22:51.000 It's a fascinating story that seems to be developing.

00:22:54.000 I think the big headline here, Blake, is the power of the FBI to retrace digital footprints.

00:23:03.000 Oh, we do have John now.

00:23:04.000 John Solomon.

00:23:05.000 John.

00:23:06.000 Yes, welcome to the show, John.

00:23:08.000 Good to be with you.

00:23:08.000 We've been fighting tech all morning.

00:23:11.000 It's great to have you.

00:23:13.000 We're good.

00:23:13.000 It's been one of those mornings, though.

00:23:15.000 So, John, give us the latest.

00:23:17.000 I mean, it seemed like this case had stalled, and then all of a sudden it just accelerated rapidly with Savannah Guthrie and her mom, who's obviously been kidnapped.

00:23:26.000 Nancy, what is the latest?

00:23:28.000 They had this person of interest that was detained, not arrested.

00:23:31.000 They've let this person go.

00:23:33.000 What's the latest?

00:23:34.000 So, I think what you're seeing is the FBI has a pool of suspects.

00:23:37.000 Remember what Kash Patel told Sean Hannity last night, that they're looking at multiple people who could be involved in this.

00:23:43.000 Now, it doesn't mean they were working together.

00:23:47.000 Fit certain criteria.

00:23:48.000 Their phone was in the area at the time.

00:23:50.000 Their eyes looked the same as the guy on the camera.

00:23:53.000 They were near, or their phone was near, a location that was of interest.

00:23:57.000 And they're trying to narrow down who those people are and whether one of those people could, or more than one of those people, could have been involved in the abduction.

00:24:05.000 And so it's a process of elimination.

00:24:07.000 And we in the media sometimes want instant gratification.

00:24:11.000 First guy, we're going to get him.

00:24:12.000 You know, Kash Patel did a good job getting Charlie's shooter right away.

00:24:18.000 But sometimes you have to eliminate a few people.

00:24:20.000 You got four phones in the right area at the right time, and we got to figure out which one is which until we find the guy whose eyes match who's on the camera.

00:24:27.000 And I think they're in a process of elimination right now.

00:24:30.000 And that will mean some people are going to be detained who are innocent, some people who are going to be detained that might ultimately be involved in the plot.

00:24:37.000 But it is a process of elimination.

00:24:39.000 And it's not unlike what happens in a case like this, where a lot of the evidence is already cold.

00:24:44.000 And you got to go back and go to your second level of evidence to start finding people.

00:24:48.000 Second level of evidence is a little less certain.

00:24:51.000 But it gives you a pool of people to start looking at.

00:24:53.000 And I think they're in that process right now.

00:24:55.000 Yeah.

00:24:56.000 And John, that's my question, right?

00:24:57.000 Because I remember this when, you know, Charlie was killed.

00:25:01.000 You know, everybody was talking about this first 48 hours.

00:25:04.000 This is day 11 of this.

00:25:07.000 So, you know, the question then becomes, you know, how does this case get solved 11 days out from the actual crime?

00:25:17.000 And, you know, what is the.

00:25:21.000 I guess my question has really been centered around is this cartel related?

00:25:25.000 Have you heard anybody referencing that as their concern about that?

00:25:29.000 I noticed last night on the networks, nobody was mentioning that.

00:25:32.000 Nobody wants to get ahead of themselves.

00:25:34.000 I get that.

00:25:35.000 But this to me would be the immediate thought.

00:25:38.000 But everybody keeps looking for those closest to the Guthrie family that might be connected in the Tucson area.

00:25:44.000 I think right now, what you see in the statements that the sheriff has made is that they believe the person who came to this home had some familiarity with the home.

00:25:55.000 Obviously, not enough familiarity because they look like they got surprised by the ring camera.

00:25:59.000 That's why they go get the brush and try to get rid of the ring camera.

00:26:02.000 But they seem to know the structure of the house, how to enter, and where to go run back from.

00:26:08.000 And so that tells you that this was a crime that at least was thought out, if not from someone that has some familiarity with the property.

00:26:15.000 But that doesn't mean that a drug cartel couldn't have cased the joint.

00:26:18.000 It doesn't mean that an insider could have been involved.

00:26:21.000 It could mean someone that they met once and they came back to the house and realized they had a victim of potential opportunity.

00:26:28.000 They're in a phase now where they don't have a singular theory.

00:26:32.000 And I think that's what happens 11 days out.

00:26:34.000 You start to approach a case from a cold case perspective, just like the way the FBI produced and arrested the January 6th bomber after five years.

00:26:45.000 You go back and now you start to look at a wider circle of evidence.

00:26:49.000 Someone in a pattern of evidence.

00:26:50.000 Someone had that ring camera for a while.

00:26:53.000 Where did that ring camera, why its battery was still on?

00:26:55.000 What direction was that going in?

00:26:57.000 Where did it last ping?

00:26:59.000 What are the white trucks that went by the house?

00:27:01.000 Who has a white truck or a white SUV?

00:27:04.000 Because that was what neighbors reported.

00:27:06.000 And you start looking for people that have multiple points of evidence, but none of them are directly, obviously involved.

00:27:12.000 And you start going through them and saying, could this be the person?

00:27:15.000 They have a very important piece of evidence.

00:27:18.000 They have biometrics of the eyes.

00:27:20.000 And they're going to find that person eventually by stopping someone.

00:27:24.000 And one of the first things they're going to do is an iris scan to see if it matches that suspect.

00:27:30.000 And I think that that is a process, but they're widening the circle because there isn't a singular obvious candidate.

00:27:37.000 That's going to result in some misses.

00:27:40.000 When you do this sort of process of elimination, some people are going to be innocent, but they fit some of the data profiles and you've got to work them down.

00:27:47.000 But they're more in a cold case mode now than they were in the first 48 hours when you try to solve a crime.

00:27:53.000 There's a lot of questions about what the sheriff did and didn't do in the early part of this investigation, why the property was abandoned for a while.

00:28:00.000 Yeah.

00:28:01.000 It was a big issue.

00:28:01.000 That's my question, John.

00:28:02.000 So there's been sort of a storyline here that local officials were slow to cooperate with the feds.

00:28:09.000 Have you confirmed that in your reporting?

00:28:11.000 I think there's been conversations going along all throughout, but that the sheriff's department was in the lead early on.

00:28:18.000 And then at some point, the FBI comes into the lead three to four days out.

00:28:21.000 And that's not an uncommon scenario.

00:28:25.000 In a local crime, particularly if it looks like the local police can solve in the first couple of days, the FBI comes in an assistatory role.

00:28:34.000 When you get three to four days out, and when there's a possibility that this could be a multiple person plot, which is one of the theories here, you got the crypto coming in, the alleged crypto allegations, you now bring in the FBI's expertise and they bring capabilities that a local sheriff's department has.

00:28:51.000 The FBI is much better at going back and retrieving old ring footage.

00:28:56.000 Camera footage than a local police would be capable of doing.

00:28:59.000 There are friends and capabilities that local police don't have.

00:29:02.000 And so the FBI comes in with that.

00:29:03.000 That's how you get the video.

00:29:05.000 The video comes out, it starts getting people thinking, I think I know someone that looks like that.

00:29:08.000 And he drives a white van.

00:29:10.000 Tips start coming in, and then you're starting to cull that pool of suspects.

00:29:15.000 When you go back to the January 6th case, and it's a classic case of solving an old crime, and an old crime is anything outside the 48 hour window when every lead is still hot.

00:29:25.000 They had a group of people that they saw come in the Third Street tunnel.

00:29:30.000 They had a group of people who had phones in the vicinity.

00:29:34.000 They had a group of people that had some political reasons to have concerns about January 6th.

00:29:42.000 And they put all those people on a map, and you just start eliminating until you find your guy.

00:29:46.000 And that's what's going on right now.

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00:30:49.000 So, John, I want to finish this with you really quick.

00:30:54.000 So, about the Nancy Guthrie thing, because it's huge news.

00:30:57.000 We shouldn't be having kidnappings in the United States of America. 1.00

00:31:00.000 This feels very Latin. 1.00

00:31:01.000 It's a point Blake Neff makes a lot on this show.

00:31:05.000 It feels very Latin American, and it's so close to the border.

00:31:08.000 But Dan Bongino says he lays out three options, you know, and he was his former deputy director of the FBI.

00:31:15.000 So, he says one, this is either highly calculated professional crime.

00:31:18.000 Two, the initial story is not everything.

00:31:21.000 It's not the full truth that the investigators are holding back details because it's probably messier or more explosive.

00:31:26.000 I don't know if that means it involves family members or connections that are closer.

00:31:30.000 Or option three, law enforcement's completely stumped and they just don't want to say it.

00:31:35.000 They're scared to admit that they're that stumped.

00:31:37.000 Of those three options, where would you approximate where we're at right now?

00:31:41.000 I think you merge one and two together and you probably have your best option.

00:31:44.000 There's probably some professionalism to this, but there could be some connectivity to people who know the family or knew of the family.

00:31:52.000 And might have reached out and got someone to do the initial kidnapping, and then it goes a little bit south, right?

00:31:58.000 I think that's the theory I've heard most commonly in talking to law enforcement the last couple of days.

00:32:05.000 So there may be someone who knows the family in some capacity at some time who saw a crime of opportunity, and they might have reached out to someone to work with them to pull off that crime, and then it seems to go south in some ways.

00:32:19.000 And that's why some of the police assess that some of these.

00:32:24.000 Ransom notes seem not the normal path towards a ransom or kidnapping sort of crime.

00:32:30.000 And so, those are, that's what I've heard on the inside.

00:32:34.000 I don't think they're fully stumped.

00:32:36.000 When you put out a video footage and you can show the eyes of a guy, and that means they probably have a car somewhere, it means they probably have tracking on the ring device.

00:32:45.000 When that guy takes the ring device with and pulls it off, that's trackable for a period of time until the battery dies.

00:32:50.000 And then at some point, people like that are going to have.

00:32:53.000 Pick up their cell phones.

00:32:54.000 And so the third part is definitely true.

00:32:57.000 They'll have more data than they put out there.

00:33:00.000 But I think they're looking at a combination of someone who had familiarity with her or the family, and then maybe bringing in someone to commit the crime.

00:33:09.000 I think that's the biggest area they're looking at right now.

00:33:11.000 All right, I want to pivot really quick here.

00:33:13.000 Our audience is really into the Fulton County story.

00:33:16.000 Blake went through the affidavit.

00:33:17.000 So a judge just unsealed the affidavit that enabled the FBI's raid on Fulton County election offices.

00:33:24.000 And you have a big piece at Just the News.

00:33:27.000 Blake and John, tell us what you've learned.

00:33:29.000 And then Blake, I know you know this better than me, so please chime in.

00:33:34.000 Yeah, first off, Blake, great job and all the work you do on a daily basis.

00:33:37.000 You're doing amazing work.

00:33:39.000 And by the way, let's put a circle around Maricopa County.

00:33:42.000 It's the next Fulton County.

00:33:45.000 I think you're going to see some law enforcement and legal activity in Maricopa County coming in the next few weeks.

00:33:51.000 It probably won't involve the 2020 election, it will involve the 2024 election.

00:33:56.000 Keep an eye on that.

00:33:57.000 That's right in your backyard.

00:33:58.000 So let's watch that.

00:34:00.000 What we're looking at here is sort of the way that Al Capone gets captured.

00:34:05.000 Al Capone never got prosecuted for being a mobster.

00:34:08.000 They ultimately got him because he cheated on some taxes.

00:34:11.000 Here in Fulton County, they're probably never going to prove that there were shenanigans in how votes were cast, but there is clear evidence that the way they were supposed to follow the law in counting the ballots and in complying with state law to do the recounts, that there were mass errors and that they may have tried to cover them up.

00:34:29.000 And if they covered them up, they committed fraud under Section 512 of the U.S. Code, which says that election workers must abide by state law.

00:34:38.000 Fake counts or fake numbers just to make them look like they were competent.

00:34:42.000 What they're looking at is that Fulton County was so incompetent in voting that they mishandled the recount and the audits and then they tried to cover it up.

00:34:50.000 That is the theory of the case.

00:34:51.000 There are five, this is a very important thing.

00:34:54.000 I want everybody to go look at the article that Politico did yesterday.

00:34:57.000 They wrote one of the most bogus articles in the country.

00:35:00.000 This is an old recycled case of conspiracy theories that Trump people have been kicking around for years.

00:35:06.000 That's not what that affidavit says.

00:35:08.000 The affidavit says, We looked at all those conspiracies and we corroborated some of those concerns.

00:35:13.000 And Fulton County has admitted to us that these bad things happened that we double scanned ballots, that we didn't follow the certification process, that there were other irregularities that didn't follow state law.

00:35:26.000 Those are significant admissions of wrongdoing.

00:35:28.000 And now it becomes a felony if any of the acts that the FBI identifies there are considered to be intentional.

00:35:38.000 I mean, someone did it knowing that they were going to violate the law or they were covering up something.

00:35:43.000 That becomes a federal felony offense.

00:35:45.000 And so that's what the affidavit says.

00:35:47.000 All five of those issues that the FBI cited in the bullet points at the top of that are five things that Justin Hughes began writing about in 21, 22, 23, 24.

00:35:57.000 All five of them, we got Governor Kemp to weigh in on some of it, and he made a referral.

00:36:01.000 Brad Rafsenberger, who once called it a perfect election, later had to admit it wasn't.

00:36:05.000 He came on the show several times.

00:36:06.000 Yep, that's true.

00:36:07.000 That's true.

00:36:08.000 All five of the things they found are things that we corroborated through evidence.

00:36:11.000 And now Fulton County is admitting that these things happened.

00:36:16.000 Well, it's just fixating on stuff that, as you say, is sort of, they'll say it's debunked, and yet it never quite was like they do have.

00:36:26.000 The strange discrepancy between ballot images, the affidavit goes on at length about they had, at one point, 17,852 missing ballot images.

00:36:38.000 There's live examples of ballot images that appear to show literally identical images between different ballots.

00:36:46.000 And You know, that 17,000 number comes up again.

00:36:49.000 If you check the actual number of votes, President Trump only lost Georgia by 12,000 votes.

00:36:54.000 This is a hyperbole. 0.85

00:36:55.000 It matters.

00:36:56.000 But as you say, it is sort of the Al Capone type thing.

00:36:59.000 They repeatedly note that if they're breaking the rules on how they're storing the ballots, how they're scanning them, if they're doing all these process issues with it, even if it didn't change a single outcome, even if it didn't really change a single vote, that would still potentially be a federal crime.

00:37:14.000 It is.

00:37:14.000 You got it right, Blake.

00:37:15.000 That's exactly what the case is now.

00:37:17.000 When it moves to Arizona, I think there's going to be a different issue.

00:37:21.000 With the integrity of where blank and actual ballots were being stored in the same location.

00:37:27.000 Keep an eye on that.

00:37:28.000 That's going to be a slightly different issue.

00:37:29.000 And then I keep an eye on Michigan.

00:37:31.000 Michigan's going to have some interesting stuff happening pretty soon.

00:37:34.000 Great work, John.

00:37:35.000 Thanks for coming on.

00:37:36.000 Love the show, guys.

00:37:38.000 Good to talk to you.

00:37:43.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 11, 2026

Another Trans Shooter Strikes

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