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00:01:31.000So, behaviors can... Do you think it can be worded out that... So, I want to be very clear, this is not a political topic we're about to talk about, so it really doesn't have political bearing, but people can choose to not act on a tendency.
00:02:56.000But I also think it's wrong to act as if that particular attraction is something that you must act upon at all times, and that we must accommodate our entire society around, and that it's inextricably linked to who you are and your identity.
00:03:43.000No, I think that probably empowering the little against the big through increased competition and entrepreneurialism is probably the best solution.
00:03:51.000But when, so, you're still controlling, like, monopolies and so forth because... Well, no, most monopolies right now are made possible thanks to the government.
00:03:59.000So, for example, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, they remain vaccine manufacturers because of the government.
00:04:05.000And the government pumps tons of money into them through NIH funding and vaccine funding.
00:04:09.000Same could be said for the biggest food companies.
00:04:51.000Because their competitors can't pay the price of the regulation, and they remain a monopoly.
00:04:55.000How about we take, for example, like a company that produces waste, you know, incredible amounts of waste, and they want to deregulize where they have to dump that, and you want to deregulize that.
00:05:05.000Yeah, no, for sure, I'm probably against that, right?
00:05:07.000So you're like pro-environmental regulation and stuff like that.
00:05:13.000I think it's good that it's not China, that we have smog in our air all day.
00:05:16.000I think that's very simple and moderate.
00:05:18.000But, no, for example, the biggest companies are the ones that, large in time, use regulation as a shield and a barrier to protect their incumbency.
00:05:28.000So, for example, Goldman Sachs, big, huge, multi-trillion dollar bank, they're the ones that pushes Congress to want more and more regulation on the banking industry because they can afford the lobbyists and the lawyers to protect their monopolistic status.
00:05:44.000And so therefore, what is the solution?
00:05:46.000The solution is you need to find what the big companies do not want, and you should do those things.
00:05:50.000And so sometimes it means breaking them up, but that doesn't always work.
00:07:43.000It is millions and millions of pages of unnecessary things that have to be notarized, and a lawyer has to sign it, and then it has to be a committee.
00:07:51.000And small businesses don't have the bandwidth or the money to comply with that, whereas big businesses do, right?
00:08:59.000Okay, so you deregulate them and then they bring back child labor and... Why do you think they... No, because why do you think we export our labor?
00:09:07.000Why do you think we export our labor to China and other countries?
00:09:58.000So deregulation is a good thing, especially if you get rid of some of the rules that the biggest companies want, right?
00:10:04.000So some of the biggest companies want their incumbency advantage.
00:10:08.000Finally, if you want to help jumpstart entrepreneurs, you have to lower the tax burden that allows them to do that.
00:10:15.000For example, so Kamala Harris Mark Zuckerberg, right now, wants to tax unrealized capital gains.
00:10:20.000One of the dumbest economic proposals ever.
00:10:22.000Basically, if you're over $100 million as a founder, and you have a bunch of money on paper, you have to then go pay money on the unrealized stock, getting rid of the entire founders market in this country.
00:10:36.000The big companies love that, because they already have trillions of dollars of paper value, but the next Mark Zuckerberg, or the next AI company, they will hate that.
00:10:45.000Okay, is Trump, like, pro-deregulation and he's a people's person?
00:10:54.000No, when he was president, first of all, blue-collar workers, people that work with their hands, actually saw their wages go up the most of any sort of workers in the country.
00:11:03.000Number two, it was easier than ever for all of you that want to own a home.
00:11:07.000Seven million new people under the age of 30 bought homes when Donald Trump was president.
00:12:40.000I think you're coming at this in good spirit.
00:12:42.000Is that when you increase the paperwork burden and the needless amount of committees and lawyers, regulations and accountants, it's harder for the next Elon Musk to found Tesla.
00:12:53.000It's harder for the next entrepreneur to start the next great company because he has to spend all of his time on compliance.
00:13:00.000and not on wealth creation or entrepreneurial activity.
00:13:04.000Donald Trump wants to liberate the American entrepreneur to not be bogged down by unnecessary rules, regulations,
00:13:10.000and paperwork and instead be worried about creating jobs and creating a
00:15:56.000Maybe because Donald Trump used diplomacy and he was able to have Vladimir Putin understand that you take a square inch of Ukraine, we will launch rockets into Moscow.
00:17:56.000Yeah, so, I mean, allowed and what it is are two different things.
00:17:59.000So, again, just strictly from what marriage has always been is the idea of two separate parts coming in a union to be able to have, hopefully, a lifelong partnership to raise kids, adopt kids, or have kids, and to become better versions of themselves.
00:19:39.000I think marriage is something where we should strop everything like, wow, two separate parts have just made a lifelong covenant with one another to learn about the other and to grow with each other.
00:19:52.000I mean, I'm Jewish and like in Judaism, there's the like tort, like there's like the When you get married, the religious marriage, and then there's the government marriage.
00:20:01.000Like, you have to get married twice, basically.
00:20:03.000So I think what you're talking about is probably the religious marriage, like with a priest.
00:20:07.000I'm talking about governmental marriage.
00:20:10.000I'm just saying, traditionally, our governmental marriage, again, I'm in the vast minority of opinion in the country of this, has been the classical view that it's a man and a woman coming together in something sacred.
00:20:58.000So, just looking at, try to answer my question for me.
00:21:01.000Do you think, what kind of, is there any time, and you're being very vulnerable and I appreciate that, when you were growing up, and maybe not, where you said, I wish I had a dad around?
00:21:11.000My mom says I did wish for that once, at a wishing well.
00:21:22.000But was there ever a time, maybe, where a more masculine figure would have been helpful?
00:21:29.000Mmm, I can't really, not off the top of my head.
00:21:31.000Can you give me an example of when a masculine figure would be helpful in my life?
00:21:34.000When a boyfriend might have broke up with you, and you didn't want to talk to your mom because she just didn't get it, and you wanted a strong, stable man to say you're beautiful.
00:21:44.000I mean, if my father was like, you're beautiful, that'd be cool, but if my mom was also like, you're beautiful, I don't really see a difference between my mom saying it and my father saying it.
00:22:01.000I don't see the world that way, because being a father to a daughter, there's a very unique bond between a father and a daughter, where you fall in love again, but not romantic love.
00:22:13.000you fall in a different type of Greek love, which is called storge, which is a father-daughter love,
00:22:18.000where you have such affection for this incredible being, and your task is to shepherd that vulnerable, innocent girl
00:22:27.000through life all the way up until the marriage aisle to kind of connect the two topics together, right?
00:22:33.000Where then you hand it off to another man, because women are worthy of protection.
00:22:38.000So you're saying like, there has to be a man in the woman's life, the woman can't be a man?
00:22:44.000No, there are exceptions, but it is a beautiful ideal, and when that ideal falls apart, now let's talk about the technical side.
00:22:52.000In the black community, when fathers are no longer around, crime goes up, poverty goes up, because you'll understand this less, and a man in the audience who grew up without a father will totally get this.
00:23:02.000If it's just a mom in the house, the dad should come in and discipline the 14-year-old for acting like a brat.
00:23:08.000The dad comes in and he says, stop doing this.
00:23:12.000You need to be able to outrank the 14-year-old brat with another masculine figure.
00:23:18.000But don't you think that there's a reason that a lot of the black community doesn't have a father, and it's because of systemic racism.
00:23:26.000It's because black men are more likely to be in prison.
00:23:30.000Oh yeah, so why do people go to prison?
00:23:32.000For, like, a lot of the time, it's because they're in poverty and they have no other way to get... Oh, okay, so they commit crimes.
00:23:51.000I said, like... I'm saying, like, if someone is stealing something because they have no money and there's no jobs... That's so interesting.
00:23:58.000So you think most crimes are crimes of necessity in the black community?
00:24:36.000That they need to go... Sorry about that.
00:24:38.000Well, the food, like a lot of food stamps, like food stamps might not cover all of what they need and also housing is like, there's not unlimited housing.
00:24:49.000A lot of people who are unhoused have to like go to shelters and then they get kicked out of shelters because there's a mandatory stay limit.
00:24:58.000So it's not like you just get a house.
00:28:18.000Um, maybe like housing codes, because I know redlining isn't a thing anymore, but there is, like, isn't there people who are white are more likely to be given loans because of, like, they have less Like, I don't know, that's just the, like, it's back from redlining.
00:29:21.000Yeah, which is one of, like, the main jobs that you can have in a, like, poverty-stricken, like, if there's no jobs, like, you're going to do drugs.
00:29:29.000I mean, you're going to trade drugs because that's the only option you have.
00:29:35.000No, what an insult to poor immigrants that came to this country that didn't commit crimes and worked two or three jobs and worked themselves out of poverty and didn't decide to go deal coke.
00:29:44.000Well, my father is a white immigrant from Poland and he committed crimes and he's fine now.
00:30:33.000Barack Obama used to make this a central piece of his campaign.
00:30:37.000He came to this campus back in 2012, drew like a 100,000 person crowd, and talked about how we need to rebuild the black family and put dads back.
00:30:44.000Why doesn't the Democrat Party talk about that anymore?
00:31:57.000Look at Thomas Sowell and Shelby Steele that have done amazing analysis on this.
00:32:01.000It's that, in Black culture, that is not considered to be a stigma.
00:32:05.000In white upper middle class culture, for those of you that grew up in Waukesha, or Libertyville, or grew up in Hinsdale, or grew up in Naperville, you guys all know those neighborhoods, if you impregnate a girl, a woman, and you just like abandon her, that's frowned upon.
00:32:18.000That is a social stigma in upper middle class white culture.
00:32:28.000I think rap culture is showing what happened.
00:32:31.000I don't think it's... Do you think that the songs that are the most popular in black America are uplifting black America to be better versions of themselves?
00:32:39.000I think the most popular... Like Nicki Minaj, Cardi B. Do you think that they're like empowering people to be great?
00:32:45.000Well, I do think Cardi B and Nicki Minaj are empowering.
00:32:48.000But when you talk about like Like, black, um, like, let's go like Kendrick or whatever, like...
00:32:56.000They're talking about their life experiences and they're saying, this is what happened to me.
00:33:01.000And people relate to that because that's also what happened to them.
00:33:04.000It's not saying this is the greatest thing in the entire world.
00:33:07.000Does it lift up the audience to become better?
00:33:22.000But I think that rap, Is good, because it can, like... I'm not saying it's bad or good, I'm saying, like, the essence, the core, the ethos, is not exactly about, like, quitting drinking, quitting drugs, and getting married and having children.
00:33:34.000No, it's about what you have done, not about, like... No, but just to be clear, like, in black rap culture, is it generally glorified to go sleep with a lot of women?
00:34:05.000Shouldn't, ideally, your culture try to elevate and try to challenge the individual to virtue and goodness, not try to bring them down to the lowest parts of their... No, who is... Again, I'm not saying that they are bringing them down.
00:34:19.000I'm saying that this is what they are doing and they are sharing their experiences.
00:34:23.000They're not saying, this is the best thing in the entire world.
00:34:26.000They're saying, this is what I have been through.
00:34:31.000Or like gang violence and, you know...
00:34:33.000I mean, a lot of people have been through gang violence because that's what's happening in their neighborhoods.
00:34:39.000They feel like that's the only option.
00:34:41.000And you might know that that's not the only option, but when you are living in that neighborhood and you don't see any jobs, this is how your family was raising you, what other option do you have?
00:34:53.000And once you're in it, it's really hard to get out.
00:36:34.000You'd rather have Kendrick Lamar, who sleeps around with everything that moves... Who is a poet, who won a Nobel Prize, who... Right, no, no.
00:36:41.000Versus Clarence Thomas, who grew up in the antebellum South, who's a U.S.
00:36:45.000Supreme Court Justice, one of the smartest people ever to serve in the Supreme Court as a black American, And that's the difference, is that we as conservatives think that Clarence Thomas is a far better role model for black America than just some rapper.
00:36:58.000I think calling Kendrick some rapper is very dismissive, and to all the work he's done with the black community, but okay, that's your opinion, yeah.
00:37:07.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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