The Charlie Kirk Show - June 16, 2023


Are Humans Basically Good? with Yeonmi Park


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Yanmi Park is a North Korean defector who defected from the Kim Jong-un regime and now lives in New York City. She tells us about her life in North Korea and how she escaped the horrors of the brutal regime.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, Can the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:02.000 Yeonmi Park joins the program for an incredible conversation.
00:00:06.000 Are human beings basically good or basically flawed?
00:00:10.000 She's a subject matter expert on that because she lived in North Korea.
00:00:14.000 She knows who humans actually are.
00:00:15.000 It's a fascinating conversation.
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00:00:20.000 A North Korean dissident warns us that we might be living through that hellscape sometime soon.
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00:01:40.000 Welcome back to the program, Yanmi Park.
00:01:42.000 Thank you for having me back.
00:01:43.000 You just spoke to 2,500 young women.
00:01:46.000 Wow.
00:01:47.000 What were your impressions?
00:01:49.000 I mean, actually, I have done one women's conference, something called Women in the World in New York with Tina Brown, and it was a completely different vibe.
00:01:58.000 Different vibe?
00:01:59.000 These women were so happy. 1.00
00:02:01.000 They were not complaining.
00:02:03.000 Oh, really?
00:02:04.000 So the New York women were very, very, they're all like successful people, but so angry and bitter. 1.00
00:02:11.000 Why do you think that is?
00:02:14.000 I know, that's the thing.
00:02:15.000 Like, they got so much, but they, I think it's like a habit of complaining in their culture.
00:02:21.000 Yes.
00:02:21.000 It's this entire thing was as a complaining, the list, how they cannot cry in the office, how there's a glass ceiling, how they don't get paid as much as men.
00:02:31.000 Do you find that Americans are master complainers? 0.95
00:02:34.000 Some people are, yes.
00:02:36.000 I do think it's like, in a way, it's very deeply embedded in the culture of complaining.
00:02:41.000 In a way, it looks almost you look smart if you complain. 0.99
00:02:45.000 If you just busy going, you think they think you're dumb. 0.99
00:02:48.000 That's like my observation. 0.98
00:02:48.000 I don't know. 0.98
00:02:49.000 Oh, I think a lot of the woke stuff is just weaponized complaining.
00:02:53.000 So in North Korea, where you grew up and there's like no food, did people complain as much as they complain here?
00:03:02.000 I mean, they get executed.
00:03:03.000 There's no word for starvation, but that word is banned.
00:03:08.000 It's called instead of starvation or famine, it's called arduous march.
00:03:12.000 Called what?
00:03:13.000 Arduous March.
00:03:14.000 It's like arduous march.
00:03:16.000 One month in North Korean history, they were like suffering.
00:03:20.000 So they don't ask us to say it's a famine.
00:03:23.000 It's arduous march. 0.78
00:03:25.000 So if you complain, you get executed.
00:03:28.000 Yeah, that's really cruel.
00:03:28.000 Yeah.
00:03:30.000 And so you come here.
00:03:31.000 I mean, just so everyone understands your story, we've had you on before, but it's an amazing story.
00:03:35.000 You're a defector from North Korea.
00:03:37.000 How many have successfully defected?
00:03:39.000 To America is over just 200 of us.
00:03:42.000 200.
00:03:42.000 209, exactly, I know.
00:03:44.000 But very few speak up, right?
00:03:46.000 Yeah.
00:03:47.000 Because the regime punishes all the family members who are left behind.
00:03:47.000 Why do you think that?
00:03:51.000 And they also tried to kill or assassinate the dissent like me.
00:03:56.000 I've been on the killing list for a long time now. 0.83
00:03:58.000 Oh, you're on the kill list? 0.94
00:03:59.000 Yeah.
00:04:00.000 Do you fear for your life?
00:04:01.000 I do.
00:04:02.000 But I live in New York City, so I think I might get dying the subway more than before Kim Jong-un kills me at this point.
00:04:09.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:04:10.000 Some crazy homeless person might throw you in front of the subway.
00:04:13.000 That's a very... 0.91
00:04:13.000 Absolutely. 0.91
00:04:15.000 It's a very real thing.
00:04:17.000 So, but it's in your understanding that maybe Kim Jong-un might send an assassin to the United States?
00:04:24.000 I was informed by the South Korean intelligence.
00:04:27.000 That such a thing might happen.
00:04:28.000 That I'm on the killing list, so told him not to go to a lot of countries, like where he killed his brother in Malaysia airport.
00:04:35.000 So a lot of countries, it's so easier to hire hitmen that it just costs five grand to hire hitmen in many parts of the world.
00:04:42.000 Kim Jong-nam.
00:04:44.000 Yeah, Kim Jong-nam was a brother who got killed in Malaysia.
00:04:48.000 So like stabbed in the throat or something?
00:04:49.000 No, they hired some actress girls, rubber poison, and just he died at the airport.
00:04:56.000 It was not even stabbing, he was rubbing some poison on his nose, and that's how he died.
00:05:00.000 So what countries are you trying to avoid?
00:05:05.000 Definitely not Malaysia. 0.99
00:05:06.000 Yeah, that's not going to be on the top of the list.
00:05:08.000 A lot of the South American countries, a lot of countries that has a relationship with North Korea, like Cuba, Iran, I mean, and a lot of Southeast Asia, they have a relationship with North Korea.
00:05:21.000 Wow.
00:05:23.000 So there's 209 defectors.
00:05:25.000 Most don't speak out because they're afraid of family retribution.
00:05:30.000 In the leadership of the North Korean regime, I'm talking about, let's just say, the top 100 people around Kim Jong-un.
00:05:38.000 Do they know better?
00:05:40.000 Do they know good and evil?
00:05:41.000 Absolutely.
00:05:42.000 I mean, Kim Jong-un educated in Switzerland.
00:05:45.000 Their children themselves go study in Europe.
00:05:49.000 And so the people around Kim Jong-un, they go to Europe, they see what a free society is, and then they willingly come back to North Korea.
00:05:59.000 Because they be a royalty then.
00:06:01.000 They know if North Korea becomes like South Korea, everybody's equal.
00:06:05.000 But in North Korea, we have different one, different caste system.
00:06:10.000 They began the country to make everything equal.
00:06:12.000 They divided us into 51 different classes.
00:06:16.000 And they're on the top of that class.
00:06:18.000 So what are those classes?
00:06:19.000 Not all 51, but basically.
00:06:21.000 So big three characters is something, it's almost like a, you know, fruit, it's a joke.
00:06:27.000 It's a number one class, core class is a tomato.
00:06:31.000 You're inside the red, outside the red.
00:06:33.000 You're a really good communist.
00:06:35.000 Second half of the class is an apple.
00:06:37.000 You're outside the red, but inside the white, you're questionable, so you need surveillance.
00:06:42.000 The remaining, the bottom, third class is a grape.
00:06:45.000 You're not red outside, you're not ready inside. 0.99
00:06:47.000 You're damned. 1.00
00:06:49.000 You're a hostile class. 1.00
00:06:50.000 They're going to put, just oppress you, take advantage of you.
00:06:56.000 But that class determined not by what you do, what your ancestors did.
00:07:00.000 So if your great-grand-grandfather was a landowner, they say your blood is tainted.
00:07:06.000 Your genetics is oppressive to other people.
00:07:09.000 That's how your class is determined.
00:07:11.000 Before you are born, you know which class you belong to.
00:07:16.000 So the average North Korean citizen, when you were growing up, is there any awareness of how bad it actually is? 0.71
00:07:23.000 Because they have nothing to compare it to.
00:07:25.000 And we don't know the word even to describe our situation.
00:07:29.000 That's why the language controls...
00:07:31.000 Words.
00:07:32.000 Yeah, that's why it scares me in America.
00:07:34.000 They keep controlling what we can say, what we cannot say, because if you don't know the word, you don't understand the concept.
00:07:41.000 That's how the regime gets worse.
00:07:44.000 We don't have a word stress because how can you be stressed living in a socialist paradise?
00:07:49.000 You cannot be.
00:07:50.000 So they got rid of that word.
00:07:52.000 They got rid of the word stress.
00:07:54.000 Yes, because you cannot be stressed.
00:07:56.000 How about the word happy?
00:07:58.000 I think it is there, but we don't talk about that.
00:08:01.000 It's not something people we think we need.
00:08:04.000 It's not in the constitution that we deserve happiness, right?
00:08:07.000 So we don't think that's something we need in life.
00:08:09.000 We don't know.
00:08:11.000 We know as a vocabulary in the dictionary.
00:08:14.000 So how does marriage work in North Korea?
00:08:17.000 So that's a good point.
00:08:18.000 Because the regime does not want people to mix between caste systems.
00:08:22.000 So there's no such thing as a matter of fact.
00:08:23.000 No tomatoes with grapes or apples with grape.
00:08:25.000 No, you can.
00:08:26.000 You marry somebody who is a grape, then three generations of the guy's family, everybody who's alive, who's going to be born, gonna go down together.
00:08:36.000 So you only can't go down.
00:08:38.000 You can't go up.
00:08:38.000 You cannot go up.
00:08:40.000 So then, so marriage is it what is the main driver of marriage?
00:08:46.000 Reproducing to create a child so they can work for the commist revolution.
00:08:51.000 It's not a family of happiness and fulfilling your purpose.
00:08:55.000 It's a children is not your state.
00:08:58.000 It's government.
00:08:59.000 They own your children. 0.98
00:09:00.000 So the state is the true parent.
00:09:04.000 Yeah, that's what the teacher tells you since you're young.
00:09:07.000 Every room in North Korea we have portraits of dictators and saying, your real father is not important.
00:09:12.000 If he says something wrong, come tell us.
00:09:14.000 Your real father is our dear leader.
00:09:16.000 That is the most important father that you have in your life.
00:09:20.000 Did you believe that growing up?
00:09:22.000 I believe that.
00:09:23.000 Yeah.
00:09:25.000 I believe that he was God until I was 17, I think.
00:09:30.000 That he was God.
00:09:31.000 I thought he could read my mind.
00:09:31.000 Yeah.
00:09:35.000 There's no technology in North Korea, right?
00:09:37.000 Very little.
00:09:38.000 We don't even know what that is.
00:09:38.000 No, there's no internet.
00:09:40.000 No internet?
00:09:41.000 No internet.
00:09:42.000 I mean, we don't have cars, AC.
00:09:45.000 We don't have a shower.
00:09:46.000 We don't have sewage.
00:09:48.000 I mean, our lifestyle is like dark ages.
00:09:50.000 We go to the river to shower in the summer.
00:09:53.000 We don't have a laundry or refrigerator.
00:09:55.000 We don't have any of that.
00:09:57.000 So Kim Jong-un, who knows better, decides not to change any of it.
00:10:03.000 Yeah.
00:10:04.000 What do you know about him that you can share?
00:10:06.000 This is a description of a pretty evil man.
00:10:11.000 Yeah.
00:10:12.000 He was educated with his own sister, Kim Yeo-zong, in Switzerland.
00:10:16.000 His entire childhood was in abroad.
00:10:20.000 And when his father was sick, he came to North Korea, started ruling as a leader in the early 20s in his life.
00:10:26.000 I mean, he knows that maintaining the status quo is the most important thing to him.
00:10:32.000 And if he opens a market, opens a country, people are going to learn and see and start demanding justice from him.
00:10:40.000 So that's why he can never open that up.
00:10:44.000 Because he wants to be a king.
00:10:46.000 Who comes after him?
00:10:47.000 His son.
00:10:48.000 He has a son?
00:10:49.000 Yes.
00:10:50.000 He has many, many mistresses.
00:10:52.000 In North Korea, something called the pleasure squad.
00:10:55.000 Pleasure squad.
00:10:56.000 So the officials in each region have to go get this girl in the elementary school. 1.00
00:11:02.000 These dictators in North Korea believe that if you have sex with young girls, you get longevity from the energy of a child.
00:11:10.000 So North Korea, every region have to submit these young virgin girls to the regime. 0.96
00:11:15.000 And after Kim Jong-un takes advantage of them, he gives them to other guys as gifts.
00:11:21.000 It's something called gift politics.
00:11:23.000 How young are these girls? 1.00
00:11:25.000 From 9 to 11 to 13 to 16.
00:11:28.000 And after 23, you're not usable.
00:11:31.000 You're too old.
00:11:32.000 So then what happens?
00:11:33.000 They cannot join the society.
00:11:36.000 So these girls are gifted to bodyguards of Kim Jong-un and the high officials.
00:11:41.000 At 23?
00:11:42.000 Yeah.
00:11:43.000 That's just keep on getting passed down.
00:11:45.000 Yeah.
00:11:46.000 And they cannot come to the normal society.
00:11:50.000 Do you think people are naturally good?
00:11:53.000 No.
00:11:54.000 There's no naturally good.
00:11:56.000 No way.
00:11:57.000 You have to learn to be good.
00:12:00.000 I don't think that's not even.
00:12:03.000 If naturally good, North Korea couldn't exist. 0.82
00:12:09.000 The predominant view in every college in America is human beings are naturally good.
00:12:17.000 Really?
00:12:18.000 Yes.
00:12:19.000 Wow.
00:12:20.000 In fact, we had a group of students, and even our conservative kids, half of them think human beings are naturally good.
00:12:25.000 We're capable of being good if we get trained.
00:12:28.000 We think naturally.
00:12:30.000 That's false. 0.97
00:12:31.000 No, humans are naturally very evil.
00:12:34.000 No, I totally agree. 0.99
00:12:36.000 Yeah, humans are very naturally evil.
00:12:38.000 Yeah, if people were naturally good, then they would say, wait, stop. 0.99
00:12:42.000 Let's not have nine-year-olds as sex slaves. 1.00
00:12:45.000 Right. 0.99
00:12:46.000 Yeah.
00:12:46.000 No, humans are.
00:12:48.000 Yeah, that's a thing.
00:12:50.000 I can be totally bad, you know, if I did not come to America.
00:12:53.000 Everybody capable of being.
00:12:55.000 Well, I think that's what we naturally are.
00:12:57.000 The significance of that question is that if you think people are naturally good, then your explanation for evil is we have to get rid of the system.
00:13:08.000 Ah, not the people.
00:13:10.000 Not improving the person.
00:13:11.000 Exactly.
00:13:12.000 That's why Marxists love the idea of natural goodness.
00:13:16.000 Yeah.
00:13:18.000 So Kim Jong-un lives as this dictator and this leader.
00:13:21.000 What does he do to his political dissidents or opponents?
00:13:24.000 He doesn't have political dissidents.
00:13:27.000 He's a lifetime God.
00:13:30.000 If let's say somebody said, I want to run for office against Kim Jong-un.
00:13:34.000 Not even office.
00:13:35.000 I know it's not a concept.
00:13:36.000 Let's say somebody spoke against him.
00:13:37.000 What would he do?
00:13:38.000 He executed his own uncle.
00:13:43.000 He made those meat eaten by dogs in front of other officials.
00:13:50.000 When you see in America a current president trying to put his political opponent in prison, what does that mean to you?
00:14:01.000 That's actually been happening in South Korea too.
00:14:04.000 Every ex-president is coming, going to the prison.
00:14:07.000 It becomes a path to becoming third world countries, really, where that revenge comes from the political retribution. 0.70
00:14:19.000 I've never seen that in America, but it's a sign of decline of democracy in a way to me.
00:14:28.000 That it's a your political opponent is a political opponent.
00:14:31.000 You cannot send in.
00:14:32.000 I don't know.
00:14:33.000 It's so that I don't understand why America is choosing this path right now.
00:14:39.000 And also this path where there was a saying when I came to America where they say, don't hate the person.
00:14:45.000 You can hate the idea, but you don't hate the people.
00:14:49.000 You need to love the people.
00:14:52.000 Love your neighbors.
00:14:54.000 This was, I think, coming from very Christianity.
00:14:58.000 As the society becomes very secular, I think you hate the person.
00:15:03.000 Because they have this idea.
00:15:03.000 That's right.
00:15:05.000 You have to revenge them.
00:15:07.000 So you grew up not even believing in the concept of God, but believing if there was a God, it would be Kim Jong-un.
00:15:15.000 Is that fair?
00:15:16.000 We didn't have the word of God.
00:15:16.000 Yeah.
00:15:19.000 We had the word leader.
00:15:21.000 So the word God did not exist.
00:15:23.000 He didn't exist.
00:15:24.000 And the concept of God did not exist.
00:15:27.000 No.
00:15:27.000 Okay.
00:15:28.000 So you come to the West.
00:15:30.000 What is your religious view now?
00:15:35.000 I'm spiritual and I'm in the journey because when I got out, honestly, when I was rescued by Christians, they said, if you believe in God, we're going to rescue you.
00:15:47.000 If you don't, you're not going to rescue you.
00:15:49.000 So you said yes.
00:15:50.000 Yes, because I was so desperate.
00:15:52.000 You know, it's very...
00:15:52.000 And you know what?
00:15:53.000 Can I just pause?
00:15:54.000 This is exactly why lying sometimes can be the right thing.
00:15:58.000 This is a provocative thing.
00:15:59.000 People say you should never lie.
00:16:00.000 I'm glad you said you believed in God.
00:16:03.000 But I actually did at the time because you didn't.
00:16:04.000 So it wasn't a lie.
00:16:05.000 You're so desperate.
00:16:07.000 And even if it was a lie, you have to save your life.
00:16:10.000 You were sex trafficked.
00:16:12.000 Even somebody brought a rock to me. 0.96
00:16:14.000 If you don't believe in this, I'm not going to rescue you.
00:16:16.000 You would have done anything.
00:16:17.000 I would have done anything.
00:16:18.000 That's exactly right.
00:16:19.000 Yes.
00:16:20.000 So you did believe in God at that point.
00:16:21.000 Now, at the time, and then once I came out, I was sick of like this people trying to control what you can believe, what you cannot believe.
00:16:30.000 And I think I became spiritual.
00:16:32.000 I believe in God now since I became a mother.
00:16:35.000 I think that's when I.
00:16:36.000 A mother.
00:16:36.000 Yeah.
00:16:37.000 I mean, when I heard my son, I realized that's a miracle.
00:16:40.000 There's no way I could have done that.
00:16:43.000 You're exactly right.
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00:17:38.000 So now you're becoming spiritual.
00:17:44.000 What warning do you have for the country as it becomes less religious, less spiritual?
00:17:50.000 So that is the thing.
00:17:51.000 When I understood freedom for the first time as a North Korean, as an adult, freedom was a discipline and it was a responsibility.
00:18:02.000 Freedom was not just going on the street, shooting yourself like all with heroin.
00:18:07.000 And you can say that's freedom.
00:18:10.000 But what intentional freedom meant by the founding fathers in the country was that it came with a discipline.
00:18:17.000 It had to have a virtue.
00:18:20.000 Otherwise, it would be anarchy.
00:18:22.000 And licentiousness. 0.86
00:18:23.000 But that virtue came from scripture at the time.
00:18:23.000 Right.
00:18:26.000 Yes.
00:18:27.000 Now we removed God and they're trying to fill that gap with something else. 0.71
00:18:32.000 And I think that's why this, the woke ideology looks like a religion to me.
00:18:36.000 Yes, it is.
00:18:37.000 It's a chant, right?
00:18:38.000 Men and women are the same. 0.93
00:18:40.000 Like the chanting, just they keep saying as if it's going to be true if they say more and more.
00:18:45.000 Yes.
00:18:46.000 And I think that is a real question.
00:18:48.000 Like, what are you going to replace that with?
00:18:51.000 Because freedom needs that, the discipline, responsibility, and virtue.
00:18:55.000 It's a Gregorian type chant as if you're in a monastery from the 1600s.
00:18:59.000 Men can give birth. 0.84
00:19:01.000 Men can give birth. 0.84
00:19:02.000 Yeah.
00:19:04.000 It's a religious incantation, basically.
00:19:06.000 Yeah.
00:19:08.000 So you're on your own spiritual journey, which is great.
00:19:11.000 But you're living in a godless city in a secular city.
00:19:16.000 One of the more powerful parts of your story is when you talk about you went to Columbia and people said that you were privileged or entitled or all this stuff.
00:19:23.000 But I want to actually ask something more personal because we've talked about that on the show before.
00:19:28.000 Why aren't you super bitter personally?
00:19:30.000 Why are you a happy person and joyful?
00:19:33.000 Because you have every reason to be bitter.
00:19:35.000 You had 17 years of your life stolen. 0.99
00:19:37.000 You were raped, correct? 1.00
00:19:38.000 Sold into a sex trade. 1.00
00:19:40.000 Barely. 0.97
00:19:41.000 Why aren't you bitter?
00:19:42.000 Why are you a happy person?
00:19:44.000 Because I went through it.
00:19:47.000 I think because I didn't have any of freedom.
00:19:52.000 I think in a way, I can have a different perspective because of my past.
00:19:59.000 At home, when I have a refrigerator, I know that how unusual that kind of lifestyle is.
00:20:07.000 And this is the idea where my agent, when I was writing my first book, they were asking me to go see a therapist.
00:20:14.000 And they say, you know, people in America who gone through PTSD, they need to see a therapist.
00:20:20.000 And I asked them, what is a therapy?
00:20:23.000 And it's like, if there's a place called therapy exists, I'm in a good place, right?
00:20:28.000 Like, I really don't need to go see a therapist.
00:20:30.000 I'm in a good place.
00:20:31.000 Don't see a therapist, by the way.
00:20:33.000 90% of them will mess you up even more.
00:20:35.000 Yeah, I did not see them.
00:20:36.000 That's why you're happy.
00:20:36.000 They're good.
00:20:37.000 Yeah, definitely.
00:20:39.000 I think it's like, yeah, I mean, people really in America haven't experienced real hardship a lot of times.
00:20:45.000 In imagination, it's a hardship for them.
00:20:47.000 That's right.
00:20:48.000 But never like they felt actual physical hardship.
00:20:51.000 So they cannot really appreciate what they have.
00:20:57.000 The best you can into words, can you describe the difference between somebody says an insult to you versus what it's like to eat for two weeks?
00:21:10.000 There's no comparison.
00:21:11.000 I would like hear the insults every day.
00:21:14.000 Yeah, because college kids are saying speech is violence. 0.95
00:21:17.000 Yeah.
00:21:19.000 They think what we say can kill them.
00:21:21.000 Words can kill people. 0.83
00:21:24.000 I mean, as a survivor, even being raped was being better than starved.
00:21:30.000 Did you make a decision to be happy?
00:21:34.000 A lot of days is a decision.
00:21:34.000 Yes.
00:21:36.000 Happiness is a choice.
00:21:37.000 Happiness is a choice.
00:21:38.000 Tell me about that.
00:21:40.000 It's why there are s ⁇ days.
00:21:43.000 No matter what, even in freedom, for sure there are sh days.
00:21:47.000 And those days, what do you do?
00:21:48.000 You choose to be happy.
00:21:49.000 It's not something that somebody going to give me happiness that day.
00:21:52.000 I choose to be happy and get up and do my job.
00:21:57.000 Where did you get that belief from?
00:22:00.000 I think it's instinctive.
00:22:02.000 I think when you...
00:22:03.000 Not for Americans. 0.99
00:22:05.000 That's.
00:22:06.000 I agree with you.
00:22:07.000 Most Americans think happiness happens to them.
00:22:09.000 Oh, this is how it happened.
00:22:12.000 And you got to...
00:22:13.000 Or yeah, happiness is something far out in the distant that eventually I'll get to.
00:22:18.000 Or happiness is, it has to be like certain days happy or not, but you're saying that it's an act of the will.
00:22:25.000 Yeah.
00:22:25.000 Exactly.
00:22:26.000 Which is 100% correct.
00:22:26.000 I mean, in this case.
00:22:28.000 Right.
00:22:30.000 Yeah, I think that's interesting.
00:22:32.000 Yeah, I think.
00:22:33.000 This is why Americans are so unhappy. 0.66
00:22:35.000 They think happiness happens to them.
00:22:37.000 Right.
00:22:37.000 Or my friends think therapists on the medication.
00:22:40.000 Because the therapists are, they need therapists.
00:22:43.000 Most people get into therapy because they got problems.
00:22:46.000 It's just the way it is.
00:22:48.000 Fascinating.
00:22:50.000 There's some good therapists, but most of them are not good.
00:22:53.000 So we live in a really sad country. 0.58
00:22:55.000 You're a happy person, which I think is what is so incredibly charming about you is that you talk about like concentration camp open-air prison getting raped with a smile and people don't really quite know how to handle that.
00:23:11.000 And we live in a super depressed country, a suicidal country, a country that is increasingly drug addicted.
00:23:20.000 And here you are, you've been to literal hell on earth and you're happy and joyful.
00:23:29.000 That's worthy of recognition and noticing.
00:23:33.000 And I just want to re-emphasize, what percentage of people listening to this, when they saw their refrigerator, thought something about it?
00:23:43.000 Yeah.
00:23:43.000 So when you see a refrigerator, what do you think?
00:23:43.000 Right?
00:23:46.000 I see prosperity.
00:23:49.000 I have food.
00:23:50.000 Like, literally, right now, a Washington Post is writing a hit piece on me.
00:23:55.000 What are they going to hit you on?
00:23:57.000 That I said I've been helping the NGOs to rescue defectors.
00:24:01.000 And it's like, does that mean that you are going back to North Korea rescuing this person?
00:24:05.000 Like, how don't you have to be thinking that?
00:24:08.000 Yeah.
00:24:09.000 Tell me the reporter afterwards, and we'll learn more about it.
00:24:12.000 But, I mean, to me, why don't we send them the Pyongyang? 1.00
00:24:15.000 Exactly.
00:24:16.000 They need to go to Pyongyang. 0.75
00:24:17.000 They should.
00:24:17.000 Go spend a month in Pyongyang Pal.
00:24:20.000 But I think for me, eventually, like, it comes down to that.
00:24:20.000 Yeah.
00:24:24.000 Like, I have so much to be grateful for.
00:24:27.000 And I think this is one thing that my mom told me.
00:24:31.000 She one day prayed to God, like, how can I be happy, God?
00:24:35.000 Like, let me make me happy.
00:24:37.000 Because she's going through a lot.
00:24:38.000 And God told her, learn gratitude.
00:24:41.000 If you learn gratitude, you're going to be happy.
00:24:45.000 And I think that's what they are missing in Americans that they are not grateful.
00:24:50.000 They are just not thankful at all for what they're having here.
00:24:54.000 The entire country teaches ingratitude.
00:24:57.000 At Columbia, how many of your teachers would tell you to be grateful?
00:25:00.000 Oh, they tell you to be angry.
00:25:03.000 Not even be neutral about it.
00:25:03.000 Very opposite.
00:25:05.000 They say, stay angry.
00:25:07.000 Be outraged because how evil the American system is.
00:25:12.000 How unthinkable everything is.
00:25:14.000 That they say the only solution is a communist revolution.
00:25:19.000 Literally, this is a thing they say.
00:25:21.000 And the only solution is... Columbia.
00:25:22.000 Yeah, we have to dismantle the American system.
00:25:24.000 Are you going to send your son eventually to college?
00:25:27.000 Mostly not.
00:25:28.000 We are sending him to Catholic school anymore.
00:25:30.000 Oh, that's a great idea.
00:25:31.000 As long as they're not woke.
00:25:33.000 Yeah, they're better than other schools.
00:25:36.000 And we want him to start business, want to build things, not thinking about reading a textbook and thinking that you know something that men can give birth or something.
00:25:44.000 Yeah, like that.
00:25:45.000 Unless you learn a skill to build something magnificent, you don't know anything.
00:25:49.000 So we want him to become a builder and become a business person.
00:25:52.000 What is it going to take to save this country, Yanmi? 1.00
00:25:56.000 It takes all of us who can save.
00:25:59.000 Is America savable?
00:26:02.000 Yeah, I think so.
00:26:03.000 You had some hesitation.
00:26:04.000 Yeah, some days I'm down, some days, but like, you know, what's the alternative if you are not hopeful?
00:26:11.000 What is, I think that even being optimistic, pessimistic is irrelevant at this point.
00:26:17.000 We know what's the right thing to do.
00:26:19.000 We need to use the waking up people.
00:26:21.000 And we need to teach our children better, preparing the next generation better, and telling our friends.
00:26:28.000 And that's the thing.
00:26:30.000 Like, I'm eventually not going to focus on can I be hopeful or not.
00:26:34.000 I just know what's the right thing to do.
00:26:36.000 And so I'm going to do that.
00:26:37.000 To do your duty and the right thing to do.
00:26:40.000 What do Marxists fear, totalitarian Marxists?
00:26:44.000 What is their Achilles heel?
00:26:45.000 They hate truth.
00:26:47.000 That's why they care the truth tellers. 1.00
00:26:50.000 I mean, and they're, yeah.
00:26:52.000 And put them in prison.
00:26:54.000 Yes, they do.
00:26:55.000 They hate the truth.
00:26:56.000 Why do they hate the truth so much?
00:26:58.000 Because it exposes them, exposes their lie.
00:27:02.000 Because Marxism is built on the lie and goes against absolute human nature.
00:27:12.000 Does a Marxist regime, when people start to speak up, does that get them to get nervous?
00:27:21.000 Yes.
00:27:22.000 Yeah.
00:27:23.000 Even Northern regime, they hate the dissent.
00:27:26.000 I think that is where that's why they lose their control.
00:27:30.000 If somebody exposes them with the truth, they literally lose control and do everything to silence those people.
00:27:36.000 Do you think there's a spiritual dimension to what's happening in North Korea?
00:27:41.000 Meaning that it's an evil spiritual oppression?
00:27:44.000 It is definitely that because When look at just complete South Korea and North Korea. 0.66
00:27:52.000 South Korea is the number one nation that produces missionaries.
00:27:56.000 Given the population of the nation.
00:27:56.000 Yes.
00:27:58.000 It's 100 million people, right?
00:28:00.000 No, less.
00:28:01.000 Like, yeah.
00:28:02.000 How many?
00:28:03.000 50 million.
00:28:04.000 What's the North Korean population?
00:28:04.000 Is it 50?
00:28:06.000 Around 21.
00:28:07.000 Yeah, it would be less.
00:28:08.000 Okay.
00:28:09.000 Right.
00:28:09.000 And look at the result.
00:28:12.000 One is God's country, one is Godless country.
00:28:16.000 And I think that's why I say that we need God.
00:28:19.000 He doesn't need us.
00:28:20.000 Nation needs a God.
00:28:22.000 They do, really do.
00:28:26.000 Yeah, there's a debate going on in some Christian circles where they say politics don't matter and government doesn't matter.
00:28:36.000 And there's 21 people in an open-air prison in North Korea.
00:28:40.000 Politics can matter a lot, correct?
00:28:43.000 I mean, that determines everything in the society.
00:28:43.000 Yeah.
00:28:47.000 Politics is the most important thing, the foundation of everything.
00:28:50.000 Even you want to have the most amazing idea to build something.
00:28:53.000 If a political system is not there to help you, there's nothing you can, there's no human potential to be reached if the political system is.
00:29:05.000 So if there's an average American listening right now, 16, 17 year old, what's your advice to them?
00:29:13.000 It's a I don't want to be right now 16, 17 America because it's just don't go on the social media.
00:29:23.000 Delete your social media. 0.96
00:29:26.000 Pick up the books, not the current New Times bestseller, those trash. 1.00
00:29:30.000 That is garbage. 0.99
00:29:31.000 Pick up the classical books. 0.99
00:29:33.000 Classical literature.
00:29:33.000 Yes.
00:29:35.000 Get into those books and read them until you understand them.
00:29:40.000 And see this original work of our founding fathers and what it meant to be free, what this nation meant to be.
00:29:47.000 Were you taught to read in North Korea?
00:29:50.000 I had a second, first grade of education in North Korea.
00:29:53.000 What books were you given, if any, to read there?
00:29:56.000 Oh, Kim Mir-song's all the propaganda books.
00:29:59.000 There's no other books allowed.
00:30:00.000 So just the propaganda book?
00:30:01.000 Absolutely.
00:30:03.000 Did you never came in contact with a Bible there?
00:30:06.000 People, recently in North Korea, the two-year-old was sentenced to concentration camp because the parent had a Bible.
00:30:16.000 North Korea is the number one nation that persecutes Christianity.
00:30:20.000 There are more than 70,000 Christians in the concentration camp right now.
00:30:24.000 On a Bible, read a Bible, met somebody believer, they are going to get executed and three generations of family sent to prison camp. 1.00
00:30:35.000 In your lifetime, do you think you're going to see the collapse of the North Korean regime?
00:30:40.000 If we don't change Chinese regime, it's not going to change North Korea. 0.94
00:30:44.000 So it's a proxy state of the CCP.
00:30:46.000 China runs North Korea.
00:30:49.000 The accountability is not even on Kim Jong-un. 0.92
00:30:51.000 He's a puppet of China. 0.94
00:30:53.000 Our government's also a puppet of China.
00:30:56.000 Right.
00:30:57.000 So we have that in common.
00:30:58.000 Yeah.
00:30:59.000 So unless we don't change China, there's no hope for North Korean people. 0.97
00:31:04.000 How do we change the CCP?
00:31:05.000 How do we take down the CCP?
00:31:07.000 Americans, we are the only country that can match China currently.
00:31:12.000 We have to wake up that this is an actual threat to our democracy and our way of life here.
00:31:20.000 Because as long as there is freedom, it's a threat to totalitarian states.
00:31:25.000 Always.
00:31:25.000 Always.
00:31:26.000 That's why they hate free states, free countries.
00:31:29.000 So this war will continue as long as China stays to be this communist party. 0.78
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00:32:43.000 So North Korea is attached to, they're an attaché to the CCP.
00:32:48.000 Yeah.
00:32:49.000 What does the CCP get out of it?
00:32:51.000 So the, you know, Mao sent his son during the Korean War and he died.
00:32:56.000 Really?
00:32:57.000 So the relationship between North Korea and China is put by Chinese words between your teeth and the lips.
00:33:03.000 If you don't have the lips, your teeth are going to get affected.
00:33:06.000 Without teeth, you cannot eat.
00:33:08.000 You need each other to survive.
00:33:10.000 So one, North Korea is a buffer zone. 0.88
00:33:13.000 There's an American army in South and Japan.
00:33:16.000 So it's a buffer zone for the free movement to come to China.
00:33:19.000 They need North Korea to block that. 0.75
00:33:21.000 Second of all, it's a leverage.
00:33:23.000 Whenever North Korea tests nuclear weapons, who Americanists go to begging China to talk to Kim Jong-un?
00:33:30.000 Because North Korea does not talk to America. 0.58
00:33:33.000 That's fascinating.
00:33:34.000 So it's a leverage stick.
00:33:35.000 So if they want to cash in a fate, if China wants to keep leverage over America, they have that. 0.73
00:33:42.000 Just sign off a rocket.
00:33:43.000 Yeah, and whenever they want America to annoy America, they can tell Kim Jong-un, why don't you test more nukes right now?
00:33:50.000 And then America have to go beg them again. 1.00
00:33:53.000 Can you ask North Korea to escalate?
00:33:56.000 So it's a very useful state for China to maintain.
00:34:01.000 You think that the CCP can be defeated?
00:34:06.000 I don't care if it can.
00:34:08.000 I just know it has to be.
00:34:10.000 We need to fight for it.
00:34:11.000 That is the correct answer.
00:34:13.000 So I have no idea either.
00:34:13.000 Yeah.
00:34:15.000 You know that they've purchased most of our elites in our country.
00:34:19.000 Most of our corporations.
00:34:19.000 Yeah.
00:34:20.000 I've met those people.
00:34:22.000 You've met those people?
00:34:23.000 Yeah.
00:34:24.000 I met Jeff Bezos.
00:34:24.000 What do you mean?
00:34:26.000 Yeah, he's a big CCP guy.
00:34:28.000 Right.
00:34:29.000 I met all the powerful people in America and they said, I'm sorry what you went through, but please don't tell people that you know me.
00:34:36.000 Really?
00:34:37.000 What other people did you meet?
00:34:39.000 Hillary Clinton.
00:34:40.000 Oh, really?
00:34:40.000 Nance Pelosi.
00:34:42.000 How is Hillary in person? 0.99
00:34:44.000 Absolute fake and liar, right? 0.95
00:34:51.000 Because so the reason you met these people is that early on in your story, it was interesting to them or something because you were doing a lot of human rights stuff, a lot of UN stuff. 0.91
00:35:00.000 I don't think they invite you anymore, right?
00:35:02.000 No, because they say you've been on Fox.
00:35:04.000 That's it.
00:35:05.000 Yeah.
00:35:05.000 Once you speak out about the Marxism here, you are untouchable.
00:35:10.000 Yeah, I'm a Nazi right now today.
00:35:12.000 Oh, is that right?
00:35:13.000 Yeah, so actually, yeah.
00:35:17.000 So initially, I did not know a conservative or democratic.
00:35:21.000 I had no agenda.
00:35:22.000 I did not know anything.
00:35:23.000 I just believed everybody that on the surface they say they care about slavery, that they denounce slavery.
00:35:30.000 And I invent them.
00:35:31.000 They are modern-day slaves.
00:35:33.000 I was one of them.
00:35:34.000 There are 300,000 North Korean girls in China who are slaved. 0.99
00:35:38.000 Can you do something about it?
00:35:39.000 And they said, no, like, don't tell people that you know me.
00:35:46.000 Yeah, the CCP has really purchased big parts of this country.
00:35:51.000 Final thought on here.
00:35:52.000 Marxism is on the march.
00:35:53.000 You're doing your duty.
00:35:54.000 Most Americans, a lot of Americans want to give up.
00:35:56.000 What's your message to them?
00:36:01.000 I think this is where, you know, it's our time to be the founders again.
00:36:08.000 And we decide the future of this country.
00:36:10.000 The founding fathers cannot come back from the graving and do something about this.
00:36:14.000 We are the only ones going to decide which path our country is going to take.
00:36:19.000 And if we believe in these values that we hold in this country, we have to fight for it, like our founding fathers did.
00:36:28.000 And this is a new era that there's enemies, actual enemies, try to get rid of our system.
00:36:35.000 That's right.
00:36:36.000 Abraham Lincoln called it a new birth of freedom.
00:36:39.000 Yeah, I've said for a while we're going to have to refound this country.
00:36:42.000 I don't know what it looks like, but that's what we have to do.
00:36:46.000 We know what worked.
00:36:48.000 That's the thing.
00:36:49.000 So why can we not do that?
00:36:51.000 That's like where in human history, many things failed, but their thing certainly worked.
00:36:56.000 And that things create the most tolerant, most prosperous, most equal society.
00:37:03.000 Not equality of outcomes, but the opportunity-wise people had the same opportunity.
00:37:07.000 The strongest nation ever.
00:37:08.000 Yes.
00:37:09.000 So we know what principles gave rise to that nation.
00:37:13.000 Then we need to go back to finding those principles.
00:37:15.000 It's not that hard.
00:37:16.000 It's not like nobody ever achieved it.
00:37:18.000 We have done it already.
00:37:19.000 We just know how to find that way back there.
00:37:24.000 Any books or podcasts or things you want to plug for our audience?
00:37:29.000 No, this is your work is amazing.
00:37:32.000 I'm learning so much.
00:37:33.000 You're very kind.
00:37:35.000 You are incredibly bright and insightful.
00:37:38.000 And to be very honest, if most Americans had the perspective you had, we wouldn't be in this mess.
00:37:47.000 These self-righteous, lazy Americans, many of them, that just sit around and do nothing.
00:37:56.000 What do you think, by the way, this is a side note, what do you think when you see somebody vastly overweight?
00:38:03.000 It's a well, I mean, I'm going to be very honest.
00:38:08.000 Like a lack of self-control.
00:38:10.000 Yeah.
00:38:11.000 Now they say, oh, the obesity is a genetics.
00:38:14.000 It's not a bad thing.
00:38:15.000 Your city of New York says it's that it's some sort of a good thing.
00:38:18.000 It's a brain or it's a thing.
00:38:20.000 And now they say, you know, every size is healthy.
00:38:23.000 I mean, that is factually wrong.
00:38:25.000 Not every size is healthy.
00:38:27.000 Were there fat people besides Kim Jong-un in North Korea?
00:38:29.000 No.
00:38:31.000 But I live in South Korea and people work for it. 0.95
00:38:35.000 They make the right choices to stay healthy.
00:38:37.000 They're not an obese country, are they?
00:38:38.000 No, no.
00:38:40.000 And I think in America, in the name of compassion, they try to make everybody feel good.
00:38:45.000 It's all about, I have a crazy friend in New York, really.
00:38:48.000 I don't know.
00:38:48.000 Like, literally, they don't even want to say the no word to the dog.
00:38:53.000 The no word to a dog?
00:38:54.000 Because they don't want to hurt the dog's feelings. 1.00
00:38:56.000 So this dog is a trash and draws up, gets sick if it's a trash. 0.99
00:39:01.000 So you need to teach a dog, don't eat the trash. 0.99
00:39:04.000 But they literally say, eh, no, eh, no, like, because they don't want to hurt a dog's feelings.
00:39:11.000 They're good people, just very misguided.
00:39:15.000 They think the discipline of telling the truth is like something you cannot do.
00:39:21.000 So they now, not just beyond not hurting somebody's feelings, they don't want to even hurt a dog's feelings.
00:39:26.000 That is, they are doing something to destructive their body.
00:39:28.000 You need to stop them, right?
00:39:30.000 That's our response.
00:39:31.000 We know better.
00:39:31.000 We teach a dog, don't eat the trash.
00:39:33.000 You're going to get sick.
00:39:36.000 And now in society, we are doing that because people think every size is healthy.
00:39:40.000 Every size is beautiful.
00:39:41.000 Beauty, I don't care.
00:39:42.000 Healthiness matters.
00:39:43.000 Healthy really matters for the quality of your life.
00:39:46.000 You gotta stay healthy.
00:39:47.000 100%.
00:39:49.000 Yeah.
00:39:51.000 I mean, does it also make you feel that, I mean, they have so much food, so much excess?
00:39:58.000 I mean, I can't imagine.
00:39:59.000 It probably animates you.
00:40:00.000 Like, you have no idea.
00:40:02.000 Yeah.
00:40:02.000 Right?
00:40:03.000 What you have.
00:40:04.000 Like, I mean, if you're obese, you're taking food for granted and your lifestyle for granted.
00:40:08.000 Yeah, I think, but the thing is, even having this much abundance, that's a reason for them to complain.
00:40:13.000 They say, oh, we have too much food.
00:40:15.000 We have too much bad food.
00:40:17.000 And I give people.
00:40:17.000 Yeah, control yourself.
00:40:18.000 Yeah, but trust me, I've been to Costco.
00:40:20.000 I go to Costco.
00:40:22.000 There are chicken salad scissors salads.
00:40:24.000 It's a huge, gigantic pack for like nine bucks for entire week.
00:40:27.000 Your family can eat.
00:40:29.000 Yes.
00:40:29.000 They're cheaper than McDonald's.
00:40:31.000 Yes.
00:40:31.000 And telling me there's no cheap option for healthy food.
00:40:34.000 No, go to Costco.
00:40:35.000 There are a lot of healthy options that is very, very inexpensive.
00:40:39.000 So like I go to Costco, buy healthy options.
00:40:42.000 What they're telling me, there's no cheap, healthy food.
00:40:46.000 This all lie.
00:40:47.000 They just want to be comfortable.
00:40:49.000 And this new thing Eric Adams had come out where he said that being fat is a condition.
00:40:56.000 No, it's a new civil right.
00:40:59.000 Yeah.
00:41:00.000 Yeah.
00:41:00.000 They're like, oh, we need a bigger seat at the airlines for free.
00:41:03.000 Like they just entirely.
00:41:05.000 Do you think Americans are too tolerant of this stuff?
00:41:09.000 Yeah.
00:41:11.000 As much, I don't like government to control it, but I do think it needs to be taught.
00:41:19.000 Discipline needs to be taught.
00:41:21.000 Yes.
00:41:22.000 These things have to be taught somewhere.
00:41:24.000 And I don't think they learned it from their parents because their parents in America, I have play dates with my friends, like mothers go out.
00:41:33.000 My son, like, I put them in healthy food.
00:41:36.000 I don't give him the bad food.
00:41:37.000 If he doesn't want to eat, that's the only you're going to get.
00:41:40.000 My friends, like, I want to mommy cupcake.
00:41:42.000 Okay, you get cupcake.
00:41:43.000 I don't want to eat healthy.
00:41:44.000 That's fine.
00:41:45.000 Because they can make their choice.
00:41:47.000 One-year-old.
00:41:48.000 If they have an option, of course, they're going to only eat cupcakes.
00:41:51.000 They're not going to eat broccoli and carrots.
00:41:54.000 And I think this is where parents are so apologetic.
00:41:58.000 They say this new parenting method, they keep telling me, you need to get a consent from an infant when you change diaper.
00:42:05.000 It's an infant cannot talk, but still they can hear you.
00:42:09.000 So whenever you change their diaper, may I change your diaper and wait for them their eyesight and then change them. 0.99
00:42:15.000 What kind of sick freak is telling you this? 0.74
00:42:18.000 This is a new modern day parenting are very popular among moms. 1.00
00:42:21.000 It's very popular with new moms.
00:42:23.000 Every mom talking about this.
00:42:25.000 Every mom you know is doing yeah, this new book that somebody wrote, like you can drink wine.
00:42:29.000 There's all four studies that you cannot drink wine.
00:42:32.000 And now drinking wine is fine.
00:42:35.000 So mom's drinking wine.
00:42:36.000 Or the wine moms. 1.00
00:42:38.000 Yeah, but like this new book that somebody wrote is like widely read and everybody talks about it.
00:42:44.000 What's the name of the book?
00:42:45.000 I don't know.
00:42:45.000 I won't even read it.
00:42:46.000 I'm miserable and my kids should be too.
00:42:49.000 That's probably what it's called.
00:42:50.000 Beyond me, God bless you.
00:42:51.000 Very insightful.
00:42:53.000 I'm happy to try to refound the country with you.
00:42:56.000 It's an admirable cause.
00:42:57.000 God bless you.
00:42:57.000 It's always a pleasure.
00:42:58.000 Thank you.
00:42:59.000 Thank you.
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