00:00:37.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:44.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:22.000And let's try to get behind an effort that makes a very serious difference this Christmas season.
00:01:29.000We've been partnering with Prison Fellowship.
00:01:31.000They've served over 300,000 children of prisoners, coordinating Christmas blessings for prisoners' children through their annual Angel Tree program.
00:01:41.000But time is short, and it takes a lot of work to line up families.
00:01:56.000Volunteers like Dawn from Dallas know that every donation, large or small, is so important.
00:02:02.000Children of prisoners deserve to experience the love of Christ that only you can make happen.
00:02:08.000So please make sure these precious kids are never forgotten.
00:02:12.000Just go to charliekirk.com and click on the Angel Tree banner.
00:02:16.000$22 delivers joy to one child or just a gift of $220.
00:02:20.000You can bless 10 children of prisoners with a special Christmas present.
00:02:25.000Angel Tree family is also given access to a free, easy-to-read copy of the Bible in English or Spanish.
00:02:30.000So once more, please go to charliekirk.com, click on that Angel Tree banner or phone 888-206-2802 to join my campaign for prison fellowships Angel Tree this year.
00:02:50.000Friend of mine, and honestly, someone who has taught me so much, a teacher, a rabbi, Eric Metaxa is with us in studio here in Phoenix, Arizona.
00:04:26.000I think this is, I want to get to the stem cells of this idea rather than those of us who believe in the God of the Bible sometimes, or I will say, usually don't live like we do.
00:04:45.000In other words, we don't, we kind of hedge our bets.
00:04:49.000Like we're sort of living in this world, but we know God can do miracles.
00:04:52.000I mean, but we're not really living the way you would if Jesus were in the room.
00:05:00.000And I think there are times when God wants to remind us, like, hey, hey, hey, I'm real.
00:05:16.000And I believe that, I mean, this is kind of complicated, but I believe firmly that Trump has been used by God in a way that most of the mature Christians that I know, when I say mature Christians, I don't mean intellectually and theologically.
00:05:34.000I mean people who walk with God and know him, they recognize that.
00:05:39.000They recognize that flawed, you know, dude named Donald Trump has God's hand on him.
00:05:47.000If that's the case, and it is the case, it's hard to think God would not take a personal interest in what's happening right now.
00:06:58.000You and I talked about this on my program.
00:07:00.000When you see something happening like what is happening now, in other words, you firmly believe, and I believe that Trump actually won and that there's been massive fraud.
00:08:18.000This country has blessed unfathomable millions around the world in every kind of way, has spread liberty across the globe, around the globe.
00:08:31.000And I believe it's God's will that we would continue to do that at an increased level for a long time.
00:08:39.000So the idea that somebody would come in and do something like this, my attitude is just like, I don't care what we need to do.
00:08:46.000That is so unacceptable that if somebody says to me, well, the odds of you winning, I'd be like, you know what?
00:09:20.000And the best example of this is how deep investigations go, right?
00:09:24.000You never know when you're just one door knock away or one witness away from all of a sudden the entire thing changing in your direction because you know you're onto something.
00:09:32.000And all the great prosecutors and all the great investigations in American history say that they hit kind of dead, they hit dead ends.
00:09:39.000All of a sudden there's just a moment where things start to change.
00:09:41.000And the example that you and I didn't talk about on your program, but it started as a conspiracy theory.
00:09:48.000And then all of a sudden it became a little bit more mainstream.
00:09:51.000And then all of a sudden people looked into it.
00:09:53.000And then one piece of evidence changed everything by mistake, which was Watergate, was when they started looking into this, just kind of roughly and loosely, somebody said, well, yeah, you know, President, you know, Dick was what they called him, used to have all those tapes around.
00:10:27.000And so my attitude would be, it's kind of like if you're in an investigation to find your daughter who has been kidnapped and could be being raped or murdered or something like that.
00:10:38.000You wouldn't think about what are the odds of success.
00:10:42.000You would say, I will die trying and I will either succeed or I will die trying.
00:10:49.000We need to have that attitude about America because there are innumerable lives that people will suffer tremendously around the world and in this country if this happens.
00:11:00.000This is just one of the most grotesque things.
00:11:02.000And the fact that people don't see that, that's what blows my mind.
00:11:05.000That's what blows that people are kind of like, well, I don't care.
00:11:08.000And I think you don't care that somebody would like that.
00:11:11.000You might as well spit on the grave of George Washington.
00:11:16.000I guess that doesn't mean anything to you either.
00:11:20.000And so this is not, a bank theft is nothing compared to this.
00:11:24.000And so every American should just be furious and say, I really don't care what it takes.
00:11:30.000We will not let this happen in America.
00:11:32.000Well, and part of the trouble that conservatives and Republicans are having right now is you make the great point, is that they're making the argument that there's a moral equivalency to almost the Houston Astro sign stealing scandal, as if this is kind of an annoyance.
00:13:04.000Well, and I, the collection of people who are actually speaking out about this is an unusual cast of characters, I have to say, because the people we would have thought would have been leading the charge on this are kind of nowhere to be seen.
00:13:14.000They're kind of on the move on coalition.
00:13:16.000I don't want to get into any specific names.
00:13:28.000And I think everyone knows exactly who I'm talking about.
00:13:30.000We're all of a sudden they just kind of maybe the people who listen to your podcast know, but I mean, most people in America wouldn't know.
00:14:56.000Of course, but people aren't connecting it.
00:14:58.000They're looking at it, it's because of now the pseudo-president, the soon-to-be president, Joe Biden.
00:15:03.000But what I'm saying, though, Eric, is that really good people that voted for Trump, some of them are now quietly saying it's time to give up.
00:16:11.000I mean, if I were being persecuted for my faith in China right now, if I was being persecuted for my faith in North Korea, if I was living in the inner city in America right now, I would hope that America would remain America and would become more so, would become freer and more people would embrace these things because that would be my only hope.
00:16:37.000The people in the gulag, when Reagan said, Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall, it got to them.
00:16:44.000It got back to them and it gave them hope that there's somebody out there fighting for freedom, which means he's fighting for us.
00:16:54.000And you could hate Trump and you would still, morally, you should be so disgusted that somebody would do this in the United States of America that it's irrelevant.
00:18:13.000Terms and conditions apply and offers are subject to change without notice.
00:18:16.000Visit lightstream.com slash Kirk for more information.
00:18:22.000Part of it doesn't surprise me because the people that are on the Biden side, most of them, they actually don't believe that theft in the name of their conquest.
00:18:42.000Even the ones that refuse to entertain it, which is most of the media chattering class, they've convinced themselves that Donald Trump is Benito Mussolini.
00:19:07.000But I'm saying it's kind of fascinating.
00:19:11.000It's kind of like explaining why the person pulled the gun and blew someone away.
00:19:15.000Like you can understand everything, but then it turns out the person they killed wasn't trying to rob them, was not breaking into their home.
00:19:24.000It was their neighbor trying to do something, you know.
00:19:28.000And you find out later and you say, oh, we didn't know.
00:21:11.000But if that were to happen, my question is, there are a number of scenarios in which that could be so clear that a lot of people who are sort of your normal Americans would say, wow, I didn't realize.
00:21:49.000I mean, we're going into a perpetual spiritual political conflict regardless of what happens.
00:21:54.000I don't think that the left in their current form is going to become more likely to all of a sudden want to become part of the American culture.
00:22:03.000I don't think that's going to happen in the next decade.
00:22:12.000If you think about it, in other words, if the real problem, and this is my thesis, is that the cultural elites, which is to say the media and the various other places where the cultural elites are, do not really represent that many people.
00:22:29.000In other words, unless they have propaganda on their side and they feed this information.
00:22:34.000But if the people to whom they're feeding the information, in other words, I would say, how many people are the committed Marxists and the committed whatever?
00:22:44.000So if you're able to change the narrative at all, a lot of people who would normally, they watch CNN and they just kind of get this, they would in fact not be part of that anymore.
00:23:02.000It's not the kind of thing that I would say is I could bank on it.
00:23:06.000But I think if you really think about what has Trump been warring against, isn't it that?
00:23:10.000In other words, the idea that there are all these people out there lying and attacking and whatever, that ultimately has to have its own reckoning.
00:23:19.000So it's one thing is the voting, but there's also that.
00:23:23.000And I do have a hope that we can maybe not get to the bottom of it, deal with a lot of it.
00:23:28.000And so what I mean by I have peace, it's that I believe the conflict is inevitable with this superstructure of the American left that has been created.
00:23:38.000And the peace I have is not because I think the conflict will be avoided.
00:23:42.000It's because we're going to have peace in the midst of the conflict.
00:23:46.000And I think we're learning how to defeat the left.
00:23:48.000I think Trump is teaching us how to do it.
00:23:51.000And I think we're getting better at it.
00:23:52.000And I think that almost as, you know, as every different kind of, as every year goes on, we as a conservative movement are becoming tougher and more agile, and better voices are getting elevated.
00:24:14.000They're not getting better at fighting.
00:24:16.000Despite whatever results we're supposed to process, they're actually decreasing in numbers.
00:24:20.000Well, also, I mean, and you know this, by definition, they're the snake swallowing its own tail.
00:24:25.000In other words, if you're riding on the back of something, you know, I'm going to get my metaphors all mixed up, but the point is that if you have embraced a lie, in the end, there is no way you can win.
00:24:40.000I mean, you can form the Soviet Union, but eventually it's going to come down.
00:25:23.000But they have all gotten emotional and they're saying crazy things.
00:25:25.000And your average American, which is why I do believe Trump won in a landslide, is your average American says, listen, I don't, maybe I don't like Trump, but that stuff, I don't want any part of that.
00:26:23.000I say it because there are people, there have been times in my life that I actually have experienced the miraculous.
00:26:32.000I don't mean like kind of a warm, fuzzy thing, but I mean something else that's straight up, insanely miraculous.
00:26:40.000And I know innumerable other people that have experienced genuinely astonishing miracles, people that I know well and I trust and so on and so forth.
00:26:49.000So like that's a reality that is utterly foreign to any national discourse.
00:26:55.000So like wherever you're watching TV or anything, that never even enters the equation.
00:27:01.000And I honestly believe that this is one of those cases where people that I trust and know well have heard from God that Trump will have a second term.
00:27:17.000And so that puts me in a really tough spot because I say, okay, just because somebody says I heard something from God doesn't mean they did hear from God.
00:27:27.000But if they did, there's no way around it.
00:27:31.000God doesn't say something and then it doesn't happen.
00:27:33.000If any of these people heard from God, then it has to happen.
00:27:38.000You know, we could talk about this for days, but the short answer is people that I really respect, that know God and have heard from him and they have a track record, many of them have said that, you know, it's going to be tough, but God has his hand on Trump.
00:27:55.000It's just hard for me to discount that.
00:27:57.000And I know that sounds insane to people.
00:27:59.000And I think I'm at a point where I just, I don't care.
00:28:02.000There's, there's, I, I, you know, so, but, but maybe to try to sound make it sound a little more natural and more rational to go back to what I was saying before.
00:28:11.000Like if you heard that a truly evil crime had been committed, and then people come and they lay out to you why it will never be discovered, why the people prosecuting it are incompetent and on and on and on and on.
00:28:26.000And they lay it out, your response would still be, I don't care.
00:29:25.000But I really believe, you know, three Supreme Court justices and innumerable other things add up to if we don't get our people in, or if we don't, if these things don't go this way, we go over the cliff.
00:30:14.000Now, what God does, God does, but this has woken up the church.
00:30:18.000I have seen this, and I've actually postulated, I believe, that part of the reason God has allowed this is to wake up the church, to say, are you going to wake up?
00:32:39.000Or if they don't want to hear you anymore because you're making too much sense politically, they can tune out and they can listen to the Charlie Kirk show as well with Raycon.
00:33:48.000And I think a fitting way to end this conversation is you wrote the best book on miracles.
00:33:53.000I'm thrilled that you're aware of my book and like it because I'm really fond of the book, but it didn't sell as much as my Bonhoeffer or anything like that.
00:34:46.000The thing is, I did write a book called Miracles, and in it, I just put like two or three of the miracles I experienced, but a book that I will write soon.
00:34:57.000I have a book coming out in February called Fish Out of Water, A Search for the Meaning of Life, which tells a story of my life from birth till my 25th birthday when I had a very dramatic miracle where God spoke to me in a dream and absolutely overnight, completely changed me from somebody who hoped the Bible and God and stuff might be true, but was convinced you absolutely could not know.
00:35:24.000Like if you're smart, you would know, I can't know.
00:35:28.000I knew God spoke to me in this dream and it changed everything.
00:35:34.000And I, so that book's coming out in February, and I will write a sequel to it.
00:35:42.000And the sequel, what happened after that, I experienced innumerable miracles.
00:35:47.000The problem with telling the stories of them is that they are, they're often complicated.
00:35:54.000In other words, it's all about the context.
00:35:56.000So if you don't know the context, you don't really get it.
00:36:03.000Well, okay, let me, but, but, but there's a, there's a punchline even to that that relates to the, to what I just said about how you need the context and how, but I'll, okay.
00:36:11.000Uh, the cross one, Suzanne, who's over there, my current wife, what's your name, honey?
00:36:16.000Uh, she, um, she and I went to uh Mobile, Alabama.
00:36:20.000It was actually Fair Hope, sorry, Fair Hope, uh, Alabama.
00:36:24.000And I was supposed to speak, and I was speaking on Bonhoeffer like two nights in a row.
00:36:29.000There was going to be these big crowds and stuff.
00:41:57.000So they've got, so you get there and there's all this stuff.
00:41:59.000And then there's this other level with kind of like a little ladder.
00:42:03.000So the kids go up there and stuff, right?
00:42:05.000And Fonsi, Fonsi, had, she showed us before we walked out that she goes, oh, I got to tell you, like I try to witness to my neighbors.
00:42:16.000So I have a, she actually had a cross of a Christmas light way out on the dock in the second floor of this thing.
00:42:26.000So we get out there and she says, my, or I and my daughter, who was like 10 or something at the time, we decide to climb up the ladder, you know, to see what's up there and stuff like that.
00:42:36.000So we climb up the ladder way out on the water.
00:42:39.000And her Christmas decoration, the lights in the shape of the cross are up there.
00:42:44.000And I go up with my daughter and I get up there and I look at the Christmas lights and they're wrapped around exactly the cross that I saw 48 hours before in my vision.
00:43:39.000It's one of those things, Charlie, that, and I've had a number of things like this, when it happens, it so blows your mind, you don't know where to turn.
00:43:47.000Like you're just like, Lord, why are you freaking me out like this?
00:44:03.000And I've never told this story before, ever, because he was alive.
00:44:08.000But Winston Groom, when we got off the dock and we walked all the way down this long dock back to the house, and there's Winston Groom, the author of Forrest Cump.
00:44:20.000And I was so unhinged that as I'm talking to him, I said, Winston, I don't want to freak you out.
00:44:28.000I just got to tell you what just happened to me 10 minutes ago because this has never happened to me in my life before.
00:44:34.000And I told him the story, just as I told you.
00:44:37.000And he said, Yeah, the mind does funny stuff sometimes.
00:44:44.000It was like throwing a BB at a brick wall.
00:44:46.000It was absolutely, he didn't, and we're talking about exceedingly bright man.