The Charlie Kirk Show - December 12, 2020


Are Miracles Real? Unpacking the Importance of Faith in Times Like These


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Learn English with Rabbi Eric Metaxas. He is the founder of Turning Point USA, a youth organization that has served over 300,000 children of prisoners through its annual Angel Tree program. Join our campaign to support the Angel Tree this year by making a donation of $22!

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Miracles are real.
00:00:02.000 We are with the great Eric Metaxas talking about how God can work in a time like this.
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00:00:11.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:15.000 And if you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com.
00:00:18.000 Eric Metaxas is here.
00:00:20.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:21.000 Here we go.
00:00:23.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:25.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:27.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:30.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:33.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:34.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:35.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:00:37.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:44.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:00:53.000 That's why we are here.
00:00:56.000 Do you know this just about two weeks till Christmas?
00:00:58.000 It's incredible.
00:00:59.000 I love Christmas season.
00:01:00.000 Some people don't like it.
00:01:01.000 It is our crazy season here at Turning Point USA.
00:01:04.000 We got people running all over the place, people filming stuff.
00:01:06.000 We got Student Action Summit coming up in Palm Beach.
00:01:09.000 It's a crazy time, and it's a good time to be alive despite all the chaos, the uncertainty, and the confusion.
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00:02:42.000 But please hurry.
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00:02:46.000 Hey, everybody, such a blessing.
00:02:49.000 That's the word for it.
00:02:50.000 Friend of mine, and honestly, someone who has taught me so much, a teacher, a rabbi, Eric Metaxa is with us in studio here in Phoenix, Arizona.
00:02:59.000 Did you just call me a rabbi?
00:03:01.000 That's right.
00:03:01.000 You're a teacher.
00:03:02.000 A rabbi without a beard? 0.93
00:03:04.000 That's right. 0.98
00:03:05.000 That's a real compliment.
00:03:06.000 I always want to end on a high note.
00:03:08.000 Can I leave now?
00:03:08.000 That's it.
00:03:09.000 Well, it's the old George Costanza line.
00:03:11.000 Are we going to go toe-to-toe?
00:03:12.000 You lose every time, Eric.
00:03:15.000 I just realized there are people watching.
00:03:18.000 They don't know what we're talking about.
00:03:19.000 The Seinfeld stuff, the t-shirt that he refers to as his favorite t-shirt where he says golden boy.
00:03:25.000 Unfortunately, that's what I think of you.
00:03:28.000 You're a golden boy.
00:03:30.000 And you know that.
00:03:30.000 You're the golden boy.
00:03:31.000 It's Charlie Kirk.
00:03:32.000 He's young.
00:03:33.000 He's amazing.
00:03:35.000 You're golden boy.
00:03:36.000 Golden boy.
00:03:38.000 Okay.
00:03:39.000 Let's just do.
00:03:41.000 Aha.
00:03:42.000 Hello.
00:03:45.000 Oh, my gosh.
00:03:47.000 That was one step behind.
00:03:48.000 What kind of pasta did George order, but he thinks it's overrated?
00:03:51.000 Actually, pesto, pesto, pesto.
00:03:53.000 There you go.
00:03:53.000 La pueta estada.
00:03:55.000 Esta abierta.
00:03:58.000 The door must be closed.
00:04:00.000 She's got six great and the cat was named Pekita.
00:04:05.000 Pequita, frightened by the explosion.
00:04:07.000 Let's not talk about this.
00:04:08.000 Wait, wait, let's talk about Donald Trump or something, you know?
00:04:11.000 Yes, so what do you think?
00:04:13.000 What do I think?
00:04:14.000 I'm going to say some freaky stuff.
00:04:15.000 I'm going to freak out the young people. 0.99
00:04:17.000 Young people, are you ready? 1.00
00:04:18.000 I'm speaking.
00:04:19.000 I'm the rabbi.
00:04:20.000 You got to listen.
00:04:25.000 Here's what I think, Charlie.
00:04:26.000 I think this is, I want to get to the stem cells of this idea rather than those of us who believe in the God of the Bible sometimes, or I will say, usually don't live like we do.
00:04:45.000 In other words, we don't, we kind of hedge our bets.
00:04:49.000 Like we're sort of living in this world, but we know God can do miracles.
00:04:52.000 I mean, but we're not really living the way you would if Jesus were in the room.
00:05:00.000 And I think there are times when God wants to remind us, like, hey, hey, hey, I'm real.
00:05:08.000 Like, I'm not an idea.
00:05:10.000 I'm not a philosophy.
00:05:11.000 I'm real.
00:05:12.000 And God acts in history.
00:05:16.000 And I believe that, I mean, this is kind of complicated, but I believe firmly that Trump has been used by God in a way that most of the mature Christians that I know, when I say mature Christians, I don't mean intellectually and theologically.
00:05:34.000 I mean people who walk with God and know him, they recognize that.
00:05:39.000 They recognize that flawed, you know, dude named Donald Trump has God's hand on him.
00:05:47.000 If that's the case, and it is the case, it's hard to think God would not take a personal interest in what's happening right now.
00:06:00.000 And I'll go a step further.
00:06:02.000 You can even put Trump to the side and talk about America.
00:06:05.000 God has had his hand on this nation from the beginning.
00:06:08.000 And like anybody, like Donald Trump, we're not perfect and whatever, but God has had his hand on this nation.
00:06:14.000 And I think this is one of those rare times when I believe God will act.
00:06:25.000 In other words, in the natural, if you just look at the facts, it looks really bad.
00:06:30.000 And I think, yeah, it looks really bad.
00:06:32.000 It looked really bad when Pharaoh's army was bearing down on the Israelites who had the Red Sea behind them.
00:06:38.000 But there are times when God does things like parts the Red Sea.
00:06:44.000 And so I'm not saying that that has to happen, but I have a sense that it will.
00:06:47.000 I have a sense that we're in that kind of a moment in history.
00:06:50.000 I could talk in the natural, but let me just say this.
00:06:57.000 What is happening?
00:06:58.000 You and I talked about this on my program.
00:07:00.000 When you see something happening like what is happening now, in other words, you firmly believe, and I believe that Trump actually won and that there's been massive fraud.
00:07:10.000 Like you believe that, right?
00:07:11.000 Okay.
00:07:12.000 100%.
00:07:12.000 So, but that's the point.
00:07:13.000 But okay, so let's just stop.
00:07:15.000 But I'm saying, but let's just stop.
00:07:16.000 So you believe that.
00:07:18.000 So my attitude is like, so who cares what I can prove in the courts?
00:07:24.000 This is right.
00:07:25.000 This happened.
00:07:26.000 And I'm just going to do anything I can to uncover this horror, this evil.
00:07:33.000 The idea that somebody would, I mean, let's think, what could be the level of arrogance, brazenness, evil to steal.
00:07:42.000 It's not stealing an election.
00:07:44.000 It's like stealing the heart and soul of America.
00:07:46.000 It's like holding a rusty knife to the throat of Lady Liberty.
00:07:52.000 Like, that's what it is. 1.00
00:07:53.000 It's not some chicanery that happened and they got away with it. 1.00
00:07:58.000 This is evil. 1.00
00:08:00.000 And you need to frame it that way.
00:08:02.000 You need to say, ladies and gentlemen, it's like somebody is being raped or murdered and you say, that just happens.
00:08:09.000 And you're like, that just happens.
00:08:10.000 What's wrong with you?
00:08:11.000 Are you dead? 1.00
00:08:12.000 You have no soul? 0.99
00:08:13.000 You don't care about that?
00:08:14.000 You don't feel justice must be done?
00:08:16.000 This is that times a thousand.
00:08:18.000 This country has blessed unfathomable millions around the world in every kind of way, has spread liberty across the globe, around the globe.
00:08:31.000 And I believe it's God's will that we would continue to do that at an increased level for a long time.
00:08:39.000 So the idea that somebody would come in and do something like this, my attitude is just like, I don't care what we need to do.
00:08:46.000 That is so unacceptable that if somebody says to me, well, the odds of you winning, I'd be like, you know what?
00:08:50.000 I don't care about the odds.
00:08:52.000 What's right is right.
00:08:54.000 That is so wrong.
00:08:56.000 We need to do absolutely everything we can.
00:09:00.000 And what's going to happen is going to happen.
00:09:03.000 But we need to fight to the death, to the last drop of blood, because it's worth it.
00:09:08.000 And we don't know where we are on the curve.
00:09:10.000 For example, we might be one testimony away from another whistleblower coming out that could change everything.
00:09:16.000 That's right.
00:09:17.000 So the curve is, we don't know it.
00:09:18.000 Only God knows where that curve is.
00:09:20.000 And the best example of this is how deep investigations go, right?
00:09:24.000 You never know when you're just one door knock away or one witness away from all of a sudden the entire thing changing in your direction because you know you're onto something.
00:09:32.000 And all the great prosecutors and all the great investigations in American history say that they hit kind of dead, they hit dead ends.
00:09:39.000 All of a sudden there's just a moment where things start to change.
00:09:41.000 And the example that you and I didn't talk about on your program, but it started as a conspiracy theory.
00:09:48.000 And then all of a sudden it became a little bit more mainstream.
00:09:51.000 And then all of a sudden people looked into it.
00:09:53.000 And then one piece of evidence changed everything by mistake, which was Watergate, was when they started looking into this, just kind of roughly and loosely, somebody said, well, yeah, you know, President, you know, Dick was what they called him, used to have all those tapes around.
00:10:05.000 They're like, he had tapes?
00:10:07.000 Right.
00:10:07.000 And they said, let's go subpoena the tapes.
00:10:09.000 Right.
00:10:09.000 And then, of course, the first Nixon, the first question to Nixon from Frost was, why didn't you destroy the tapes?
00:10:13.000 Yeah.
00:10:13.000 And then all of a sudden it changed everything, right?
00:10:14.000 The tapes showed up.
00:10:15.000 Well, and think about what we're talking about.
00:10:16.000 We're talking about a big nothing.
00:10:18.000 I mean, Watergate, compared to what we're talking about here, it's like talking about a traffic violation versus mass murder.
00:10:24.000 I mean, this is the theft of America.
00:10:27.000 And so my attitude would be, it's kind of like if you're in an investigation to find your daughter who has been kidnapped and could be being raped or murdered or something like that.
00:10:38.000 You wouldn't think about what are the odds of success.
00:10:42.000 You would say, I will die trying and I will either succeed or I will die trying.
00:10:49.000 We need to have that attitude about America because there are innumerable lives that people will suffer tremendously around the world and in this country if this happens.
00:11:00.000 This is just one of the most grotesque things.
00:11:02.000 And the fact that people don't see that, that's what blows my mind.
00:11:05.000 That's what blows that people are kind of like, well, I don't care.
00:11:08.000 And I think you don't care that somebody would like that.
00:11:11.000 You might as well spit on the grave of George Washington.
00:11:16.000 I guess that doesn't mean anything to you either.
00:11:19.000 This is sacred.
00:11:20.000 And so this is not, a bank theft is nothing compared to this.
00:11:24.000 And so every American should just be furious and say, I really don't care what it takes.
00:11:30.000 We will not let this happen in America.
00:11:32.000 Well, and part of the trouble that conservatives and Republicans are having right now is you make the great point, is that they're making the argument that there's a moral equivalency to almost the Houston Astro sign stealing scandal, as if this is kind of an annoyance.
00:11:46.000 It's bad.
00:11:46.000 Let's try to hold it accountable.
00:11:49.000 It's not even close to Bill Belichick filming the other team to try to win a football game.
00:11:53.000 Right.
00:11:54.000 This is real stuff.
00:11:55.000 That's right.
00:11:55.000 Well, that's what I was going to say.
00:11:56.000 If people have that attitude, it's not Mark McGuire.
00:11:59.000 They deserve.
00:12:00.000 I could go on.
00:12:01.000 They deserve a Biden presidency and the dissolution of the greatest country in the history of the world.
00:12:07.000 Like, those people deserve that.
00:12:08.000 By God's grace, I hope they don't get that.
00:12:11.000 But that is, I mean, look, it's like, you know, I wrote a book about Bonhoeffer and Germany in the 30s and how many Germans shrugged.
00:12:19.000 Today, we look back and we go, how is it possible?
00:12:23.000 How is it possible these people that I never would have done that?
00:12:25.000 That's exactly everybody who has not hopped up about this and disgusted that people would try to do a thing like this.
00:12:35.000 You are the Germans that looked the other way when Hitler was preparing to do what he was preparing to do.
00:12:41.000 And unfortunately, I don't see how you could see it any other way. 0.86
00:12:47.000 This is the scandal of anybody's lifetime.
00:12:51.000 There's nothing to compare to it.
00:12:53.000 And the fact that people would shrug, the fact that Republicans would shrug, it's just despicable.
00:13:00.000 It's very clarifying, and I just believe God is in it.
00:13:03.000 What can I say?
00:13:04.000 Well, and I, the collection of people who are actually speaking out about this is an unusual cast of characters, I have to say, because the people we would have thought would have been leading the charge on this are kind of nowhere to be seen.
00:13:14.000 They're kind of on the move on coalition.
00:13:16.000 I don't want to get into any specific names.
00:13:18.000 You don't?
00:13:19.000 Well, some of them are my friends, and some of them are, I think, are in.
00:13:22.000 You can mention anything you want.
00:13:24.000 I just have to be, I'm trying to be magnanimous.
00:13:27.000 Let's just put it that way.
00:13:28.000 And I think everyone knows exactly who I'm talking about.
00:13:30.000 We're all of a sudden they just kind of maybe the people who listen to your podcast know, but I mean, most people in America wouldn't know.
00:13:36.000 No, I mean, I don't know.
00:13:37.000 I mean, I just think that it's what I've said in the sense that how else to see it.
00:13:44.000 If somebody tries to steal an American election, everyone's head should explode and say, What, what?
00:13:50.000 Like, what do you mean? 0.64
00:13:52.000 This is kind of like trying to assassinate the president. 0.71
00:13:54.000 Imagine somebody's caught trying to blow the president's brains out, and you go, you know what? 0.68
00:13:59.000 Everybody has a bad day.
00:14:00.000 Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:14:01.000 Let it go.
00:14:02.000 Like, let's just let it go.
00:14:04.000 And you'd say, what do you mean, let it go? 0.60
00:14:07.000 He tried to kill the president of the United States.
00:14:09.000 This is worse than trying to kill the president of the United States. 0.85
00:14:11.000 This is trying to kill Lady Liberty. 0.95
00:14:13.000 This is trying to kill Uncle Sam. 0.99
00:14:14.000 This is trying to kill the American people. 0.96
00:14:17.000 This is everything.
00:14:19.000 We don't have the luxury of looking the other way or letting this go.
00:14:24.000 One of the reasons why you're not seeing the backlash is because of the corporate tactics behind this.
00:14:28.000 And let me tell you what I mean by this.
00:14:30.000 As we're doing this podcast right now, the Dow has its highest, high, you know, the highest amount ever.
00:14:37.000 Five days after the election, the vaccine gets announced.
00:14:40.000 Yeah.
00:14:40.000 It's almost as if, as the fraud started to get investigated, people want it.
00:14:44.000 They want it.
00:14:45.000 The corporate leaders and the masters of the universe, they want the ruling class.
00:14:49.000 They wanted to tell people, oh, look how good things are about to get.
00:14:53.000 You really don't want to fight that hard.
00:14:54.000 Thanks to Donald Trump.
00:14:56.000 Of course, but people aren't connecting it.
00:14:58.000 They're looking at it, it's because of now the pseudo-president, the soon-to-be president, Joe Biden.
00:15:03.000 But what I'm saying, though, Eric, is that really good people that voted for Trump, some of them are now quietly saying it's time to give up.
00:15:12.000 Just move on.
00:15:13.000 Yeah.
00:15:13.000 I voted for him.
00:15:15.000 Let me just interrupt.
00:15:16.000 What would drive someone to do that?
00:15:18.000 I want to tell you, there's a film.
00:15:20.000 Most people listening to this haven't seen it.
00:15:25.000 But it's the famous film with Lawrence Olivier and what's her name?
00:15:31.000 I can't think of it.
00:15:32.000 But it's the one with Mrs. Danvers. 0.53
00:15:35.000 She's the housekeeper and she's really evil and whatever.
00:15:38.000 And there's a moment where the young lady is at the window and she's in such despair.
00:15:43.000 She just wants to die.
00:15:45.000 And Mrs. Danvers says to her, Why don't you do it? 1.00
00:15:49.000 Meaning, jump out and die. 1.00
00:15:51.000 Why don't you do it? 1.00
00:15:52.000 Go ahead.
00:15:53.000 It would be so easy.
00:15:54.000 That's the voice of the devil.
00:15:56.000 When people say, I think maybe we should give up.
00:15:59.000 I'm just going to say bluntly, that's the voice of the devil.
00:16:03.000 This is not small enough to say that it's anything less.
00:16:07.000 What is at stake?
00:16:08.000 The lives at stake around the world.
00:16:11.000 I mean, if I were being persecuted for my faith in China right now, if I was being persecuted for my faith in North Korea, if I was living in the inner city in America right now, I would hope that America would remain America and would become more so, would become freer and more people would embrace these things because that would be my only hope.
00:16:37.000 The people in the gulag, when Reagan said, Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall, it got to them.
00:16:44.000 It got back to them and it gave them hope that there's somebody out there fighting for freedom, which means he's fighting for us.
00:16:52.000 That is where we are right now.
00:16:54.000 And you could hate Trump and you would still, morally, you should be so disgusted that somebody would do this in the United States of America that it's irrelevant.
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00:18:22.000 Part of it doesn't surprise me because the people that are on the Biden side, most of them, they actually don't believe that theft in the name of their conquest.
00:18:33.000 Oh, that's right.
00:18:34.000 Well, that's part of it.
00:18:36.000 And then also they don't really even believe that there was much theft.
00:18:39.000 You know, it's minor to them.
00:18:40.000 It's a minor tool.
00:18:41.000 It's a few camps there.
00:18:42.000 Even the ones that refuse to entertain it, which is most of the media chattering class, they've convinced themselves that Donald Trump is Benito Mussolini.
00:18:51.000 Yeah.
00:18:51.000 And I will do whatever is going to happen.
00:18:52.000 That's right.
00:18:53.000 That's right.
00:18:53.000 And by the way, if he was Benito Mussolini, I would cheat.
00:18:57.000 But that's right.
00:18:57.000 I would totally cheat.
00:18:58.000 I would harvest ballots and vote twice if he was actually Mussolini in the White House.
00:19:02.000 Yeah.
00:19:02.000 But here's the problem.
00:19:04.000 He's not.
00:19:04.000 Of course.
00:19:05.000 So that's the problem.
00:19:05.000 No, no, I know.
00:19:06.000 I know.
00:19:07.000 But I'm saying it's kind of fascinating.
00:19:11.000 It's kind of like explaining why the person pulled the gun and blew someone away.
00:19:15.000 Like you can understand everything, but then it turns out the person they killed wasn't trying to rob them, was not breaking into their home.
00:19:24.000 It was their neighbor trying to do something, you know.
00:19:28.000 And you find out later and you say, oh, we didn't know.
00:19:32.000 So I understand.
00:19:33.000 But listen, I have friends that hate Trump and they're on that side of things.
00:19:38.000 And I get it.
00:19:39.000 They're wrong in my mind, but I get it.
00:19:42.000 But I still feel that those of us who know that this is massive fraud, we have no choice but to fight.
00:19:52.000 We have absolutely no choice.
00:19:53.000 It would be such a dereliction of duty that history will remember and will blame us forever.
00:20:01.000 Because it's one thing if you don't know.
00:20:03.000 It's one thing if you've convinced yourself it's nonsense.
00:20:06.000 But if you know, how can you not fight?
00:20:08.000 So we're in just the most bizarre moment of my life.
00:20:13.000 There's never been anything like this.
00:20:15.000 I have a strange amount of peace, and I might be the only person out there that does.
00:20:20.000 And it's not necessarily a piece about this particular outcome.
00:20:24.000 It's just a kind of broader piece of what I know we're entering into no matter what, which is this is a season of conflict.
00:20:30.000 It's not going to stop.
00:20:33.000 We're bracing for impact.
00:20:34.000 We're building up the infantry.
00:20:37.000 If Trump is successful in overturning this, do you think we're going to have more or less conflict?
00:20:42.000 Of course we're going to have more.
00:20:43.000 Well, I think, I'll be honest, I'm of two minds on this.
00:20:46.000 I think that, you know, because at the beginning of this conversation, I raised the specter of God intervening.
00:20:54.000 If God could intervene in terms of uncovering the fraud and whatever.
00:21:01.000 And look, let's face it.
00:21:02.000 If you've got real crime and you've got real corruption, every American should want to find it and get rid of it.
00:21:09.000 Like, we should all want that, right?
00:21:11.000 But if that were to happen, my question is, there are a number of scenarios in which that could be so clear that a lot of people who are sort of your normal Americans would say, wow, I didn't realize.
00:21:24.000 And it changes public perception.
00:21:27.000 So I know that the lunatics who believe in violence and stuff, they're going to do that.
00:21:34.000 But I don't know that it has to happen.
00:21:36.000 I think if prayer can uncover corruption, if prayer can have this boat right itself, prayer can also calm down the violence.
00:21:46.000 So I'm hopeful.
00:21:48.000 I'm not going to hope violence.
00:21:49.000 I mean, we're going into a perpetual spiritual political conflict regardless of what happens.
00:21:54.000 I don't think that the left in their current form is going to become more likely to all of a sudden want to become part of the American culture.
00:22:03.000 I don't think that's going to happen in the next decade.
00:22:05.000 I guess let me say this, Charlie.
00:22:09.000 This is maybe the key.
00:22:10.000 This is the key.
00:22:12.000 If you think about it, in other words, if the real problem, and this is my thesis, is that the cultural elites, which is to say the media and the various other places where the cultural elites are, do not really represent that many people.
00:22:29.000 In other words, unless they have propaganda on their side and they feed this information.
00:22:34.000 But if the people to whom they're feeding the information, in other words, I would say, how many people are the committed Marxists and the committed whatever?
00:22:43.000 Not that many.
00:22:44.000 So if you're able to change the narrative at all, a lot of people who would normally, they watch CNN and they just kind of get this, they would in fact not be part of that anymore.
00:22:59.000 And that is my hope.
00:23:02.000 It's not the kind of thing that I would say is I could bank on it.
00:23:06.000 But I think if you really think about what has Trump been warring against, isn't it that?
00:23:10.000 In other words, the idea that there are all these people out there lying and attacking and whatever, that ultimately has to have its own reckoning.
00:23:19.000 So it's one thing is the voting, but there's also that.
00:23:23.000 And I do have a hope that we can maybe not get to the bottom of it, deal with a lot of it.
00:23:28.000 And so what I mean by I have peace, it's that I believe the conflict is inevitable with this superstructure of the American left that has been created.
00:23:38.000 And the peace I have is not because I think the conflict will be avoided.
00:23:42.000 It's because we're going to have peace in the midst of the conflict.
00:23:44.000 Yeah.
00:23:44.000 And I believe we're going to win.
00:23:46.000 And I think we're learning how to defeat the left.
00:23:48.000 I think Trump is teaching us how to do it.
00:23:51.000 And I think we're getting better at it.
00:23:52.000 And I think that almost as, you know, as every different kind of, as every year goes on, we as a conservative movement are becoming tougher and more agile, and better voices are getting elevated.
00:24:06.000 That's exactly right.
00:24:07.000 That's kind of where I'm getting a little bit more peace.
00:24:08.000 Yeah.
00:24:09.000 Again, it's not even political.
00:24:10.000 I'm just talking about cultural.
00:24:11.000 Yeah.
00:24:11.000 And I think the left is actually getting nastier.
00:24:13.000 Yeah.
00:24:14.000 They're not getting better at fighting.
00:24:16.000 Despite whatever results we're supposed to process, they're actually decreasing in numbers.
00:24:20.000 Well, also, I mean, and you know this, by definition, they're the snake swallowing its own tail.
00:24:25.000 In other words, if you're riding on the back of something, you know, I'm going to get my metaphors all mixed up, but the point is that if you have embraced a lie, in the end, there is no way you can win. 0.56
00:24:40.000 I mean, you can form the Soviet Union, but eventually it's going to come down.
00:24:44.000 It cannot sustain itself. 0.77
00:24:45.000 And we know that.
00:24:46.000 And I really do believe that we're seeing it.
00:24:49.000 In other words, the radical left has gotten so radical.
00:24:52.000 I mean, who would dream that they would talk about defunding the police?
00:24:58.000 I mean, can we imagine?
00:25:00.000 No, but defunding the police is like, when I heard that, I thought, like, I've never heard anything that crazy.
00:25:05.000 It's so crazy and insane.
00:25:07.000 It's kind of like if you're in an argument with somebody and you push a certain button and they lose it.
00:25:13.000 That's what Trump does.
00:25:14.000 He drives people insane so that they say the thing that an advisor would tell them.
00:25:19.000 And by the way, don't get emotional and don't say this and don't say this.
00:25:21.000 Just keep going.
00:25:23.000 But they have all gotten emotional and they're saying crazy things.
00:25:25.000 And your average American, which is why I do believe Trump won in a landslide, is your average American says, listen, I don't, maybe I don't like Trump, but that stuff, I don't want any part of that.
00:25:35.000 That's crazy.
00:25:36.000 I would have voted for a Democrat in 1990, but this is crazy stuff.
00:25:41.000 And I think they've pushed themselves out there.
00:25:43.000 So they're marginalizing themselves.
00:25:45.000 And that's going to affect things.
00:25:49.000 That's going to affect your average American.
00:25:50.000 And if it weren't for the monopoly that the left has in the media and so on and so forth, this would all be utterly different.
00:25:58.000 So you said, and I'm paraphrasing, that you have a belief that God will intervene at this moment.
00:26:03.000 I do.
00:26:04.000 Can you tell us why or tell us?
00:26:06.000 Well, it's irrational in the sense that actually I shouldn't say it's irrational.
00:26:11.000 It's super rational.
00:26:13.000 Like, I don't think that it's irrational, but I don't expect people who don't believe in God to put any stock in it.
00:26:20.000 I mean, if you just look at it in the natural.
00:26:21.000 So why do I say that?
00:26:23.000 I say it because there are people, there have been times in my life that I actually have experienced the miraculous.
00:26:32.000 I don't mean like kind of a warm, fuzzy thing, but I mean something else that's straight up, insanely miraculous.
00:26:40.000 And I know innumerable other people that have experienced genuinely astonishing miracles, people that I know well and I trust and so on and so forth.
00:26:49.000 So like that's a reality that is utterly foreign to any national discourse.
00:26:55.000 So like wherever you're watching TV or anything, that never even enters the equation.
00:27:01.000 And I honestly believe that this is one of those cases where people that I trust and know well have heard from God that Trump will have a second term.
00:27:17.000 And so that puts me in a really tough spot because I say, okay, just because somebody says I heard something from God doesn't mean they did hear from God.
00:27:27.000 But if they did, there's no way around it.
00:27:31.000 God doesn't say something and then it doesn't happen.
00:27:33.000 If any of these people heard from God, then it has to happen.
00:27:38.000 You know, we could talk about this for days, but the short answer is people that I really respect, that know God and have heard from him and they have a track record, many of them have said that, you know, it's going to be tough, but God has his hand on Trump.
00:27:54.000 He's going to have two terms.
00:27:55.000 It's just hard for me to discount that.
00:27:57.000 And I know that sounds insane to people.
00:27:59.000 And I think I'm at a point where I just, I don't care.
00:28:02.000 There's, there's, I, I, you know, so, but, but maybe to try to sound make it sound a little more natural and more rational to go back to what I was saying before.
00:28:11.000 Like if you heard that a truly evil crime had been committed, and then people come and they lay out to you why it will never be discovered, why the people prosecuting it are incompetent and on and on and on and on.
00:28:26.000 And they lay it out, your response would still be, I don't care.
00:28:30.000 That is so evil.
00:28:32.000 I know that God sees what happened.
00:28:35.000 And that's real.
00:28:36.000 That's not unreal.
00:28:37.000 That is utterly real.
00:28:38.000 God sees what happened and he has an opinion in this matter.
00:28:43.000 And that's just kind of where I am right now.
00:28:45.000 So you have to apologize for it.
00:28:47.000 I'm just saying.
00:28:47.000 Oh, no, no, I know.
00:28:48.000 But I mean, I know that there are people listening to whom that would sound just loony.
00:28:52.000 And I think I get that.
00:28:54.000 I get that.
00:28:55.000 But I think that this is too, this is simply too horrific for us to look the other way and say, move on.
00:29:04.000 You can't.
00:29:04.000 You cannot do it.
00:29:05.000 Morally, you can't do that.
00:29:06.000 Everything's at stake.
00:29:08.000 America's at stake.
00:29:10.000 And people in 2016 said the same thing.
00:29:13.000 Like, what's the big deal?
00:29:14.000 It's just, it's just four years. 0.99
00:29:16.000 I hate Trump.
00:29:16.000 And so if Clinton's going to, it's just four years.
00:29:18.000 And I said then, and I say now much more.
00:29:21.000 Like, no, no, it's not.
00:29:23.000 If it were, I'd be on your side.
00:29:25.000 But I really believe, you know, three Supreme Court justices and innumerable other things add up to if we don't get our people in, or if we don't, if these things don't go this way, we go over the cliff.
00:29:39.000 We don't come back.
00:29:40.000 And that's to me where we are again.
00:29:41.000 It's everything's at stake.
00:29:42.000 And if everything's at stake, you have to fight.
00:29:44.000 So it could be that God intervenes.
00:29:47.000 It also could be that he's waiting to see if his own church will intervene too.
00:29:53.000 People have been praying like crazy.
00:29:57.000 Now, again, we live in such a strange country that there are tons of people that don't know anyone who prays.
00:30:02.000 But I'm here to tell you, I've been involved in these prayer calls.
00:30:05.000 Thousands and thousands of people are praying fervently.
00:30:11.000 That is happening.
00:30:12.000 God hears those prayers.
00:30:14.000 Now, what God does, God does, but this has woken up the church.
00:30:18.000 I have seen this, and I've actually postulated, I believe, that part of the reason God has allowed this is to wake up the church, to say, are you going to wake up?
00:30:27.000 Are you going to finally wake up?
00:30:28.000 Are you going to pray?
00:30:29.000 Are you going to care?
00:30:30.000 Are you going to whatever?
00:30:30.000 Or are you just going to sit on your hands and say, hey, whatever happens, happens.
00:30:33.000 It's all going to burn.
00:30:34.000 And, you know, we'll go to heaven when it's over.
00:30:36.000 Who cares?
00:30:37.000 That's part of what is happening right now.
00:30:40.000 I think that there are tons of people.
00:30:42.000 There's going to be this Saturday, the, what is it, the 12th?
00:30:48.000 There's going to be this Jericho March thing in Washington, D.C. I'm actually emceeing it.
00:30:53.000 I found out like yesterday that I'm emceeing this event and speaking.
00:30:57.000 General Flynn will be there.
00:30:59.000 It's going to be kind of an amazing thing.
00:31:01.000 But everyone descending on D.C. for this have been praying fervently.
00:31:07.000 There's a ton of people, tons of people.
00:31:10.000 You might not know these people, but I know some of these people, and there's going to be zillions of them in D.C.
00:31:16.000 So yeah, people are praying that there's the holy remnant of the church has never prayed like this and fasted.
00:31:25.000 People like me and others were fasting.
00:31:28.000 What's the last time we fasted and said, God, you have to do this?
00:31:32.000 There's too much evil.
00:31:35.000 We cannot just shrug it off.
00:31:37.000 You need to speak, Lord.
00:31:38.000 You need to do something.
00:31:40.000 People have been fasting and praying so much that I'm, I mean, I know something's going to happen.
00:31:47.000 Whatever happens, something will happen.
00:31:51.000 So here's another way 2020 has thrown us for a loop.
00:31:54.000 This Christmas season.
00:31:56.000 Look, lots of my go-to gifts are non-starters this year.
00:31:59.000 I mean, for example, how are you supposed to give concert tickets?
00:32:03.000 There's no Lola Palooza.
00:32:05.000 I can't give tickets to go see the Chicago Bulls because there's no one showing up.
00:32:11.000 And so what am I giving for Christmas?
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00:32:15.000 I am giving people them because they're the best with seamless Bluetooth pairing and a comfortable noise isolating fit.
00:32:21.000 By the way, Mr. Producer is actually wearing them right now.
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00:33:00.000 Where do you think things stand?
00:33:02.000 Just complete, just analytically of where the cases are, where you think things could go.
00:33:06.000 What would intervention look like?
00:33:07.000 I am put it that way.
00:33:08.000 I am thrilled to be too ignorant of the details to answer that question in any substantive way.
00:33:15.000 There are moments when it's clear to me and there are moments when it's not.
00:33:19.000 So I don't know.
00:33:21.000 And I think because of that, I realize we kind of do need a miracle.
00:33:26.000 Like you said, you know, you knock on the door and some things change and whatever.
00:33:31.000 So I honestly don't know, Charlie.
00:33:33.000 I think that this is a very dark hour.
00:33:36.000 That's where we stand.
00:33:37.000 It is a very dark hour.
00:33:38.000 So I want to end with this because I think we're getting the hooks.
00:33:40.000 Yeah, yeah, we got to go.
00:33:41.000 No, no, but this is an important thing.
00:33:43.000 We have a lot.
00:33:43.000 We have tons of listeners that have never heard the gospel.
00:33:47.000 Yeah.
00:33:48.000 And I think a fitting way to end this conversation is you wrote the best book on miracles.
00:33:53.000 I'm thrilled that you're aware of my book and like it because I'm really fond of the book, but it didn't sell as much as my Bonhoeffer or anything like that.
00:34:01.000 I've seen a lot of Netflix on it.
00:34:03.000 We've talked about this, but that's a different thing.
00:34:05.000 Can you tell us the one story?
00:34:06.000 I think it was the cross at the dock.
00:34:10.000 Oh, that's not in the book.
00:34:12.000 That's on my, that was, I put that on my website or in my, you know, it didn't make it into the book.
00:34:16.000 So how about this?
00:34:16.000 You tell us the one that moves you the most because people are listening right now.
00:34:20.000 They're driving.
00:34:21.000 They're working out and they're like, I like Charlie, but this is all a bunch of mumbo jumbo.
00:34:25.000 Yeah.
00:34:25.000 Eric, tell us a story of a real miracle that you documented that might just be.
00:34:30.000 Okay, I don't want to freak people out, but you know, you know this is not my original head, right?
00:34:36.000 That was a joke.
00:34:37.000 No, I thought, what can I say that will really freak people out?
00:34:41.000 You're also a comedian.
00:34:43.000 Yeah, not today, but often.
00:34:46.000 The thing is, I did write a book called Miracles, and in it, I just put like two or three of the miracles I experienced, but a book that I will write soon.
00:34:57.000 I have a book coming out in February called Fish Out of Water, A Search for the Meaning of Life, which tells a story of my life from birth till my 25th birthday when I had a very dramatic miracle where God spoke to me in a dream and absolutely overnight, completely changed me from somebody who hoped the Bible and God and stuff might be true, but was convinced you absolutely could not know.
00:35:24.000 Like if you're smart, you would know, I can't know.
00:35:28.000 I knew God spoke to me in this dream and it changed everything.
00:35:34.000 And I, so that book's coming out in February, and I will write a sequel to it.
00:35:42.000 And the sequel, what happened after that, I experienced innumerable miracles.
00:35:47.000 The problem with telling the stories of them is that they are, they're often complicated.
00:35:54.000 In other words, it's all about the context.
00:35:56.000 So if you don't know the context, you don't really get it.
00:36:02.000 The cross one is amazing.
00:36:03.000 Well, okay, let me, but, but, but there's a, there's a punchline even to that that relates to the, to what I just said about how you need the context and how, but I'll, okay.
00:36:11.000 Uh, the cross one, Suzanne, who's over there, my current wife, what's your name, honey?
00:36:16.000 Uh, she, um, she and I went to uh Mobile, Alabama.
00:36:20.000 It was actually Fair Hope, sorry, Fair Hope, uh, Alabama.
00:36:24.000 And I was supposed to speak, and I was speaking on Bonhoeffer like two nights in a row.
00:36:29.000 There was going to be these big crowds and stuff.
00:36:31.000 It was like this big thing.
00:36:33.000 And we had the trip from hell.
00:36:37.000 We go to LaGuardia with our daughter, and she was like, I don't know, eight or nine or 10 or something like that.
00:36:43.000 We go to LaGuardia.
00:36:44.000 The flights are delayed, a delay.
00:36:46.000 Can we get on this flight?
00:36:47.000 Can we get like it was just hellish.
00:36:50.000 Finally, we get on a flight to Atlanta.
00:36:54.000 And then we get to Atlanta and our flight to Mobile is canceled.
00:36:57.000 And then they're like, well, maybe we can get you through Pensacola.
00:37:00.000 It was like one of these things, like a dream nightmare of trips.
00:37:04.000 Because I, you know, like you've got a wife and a daughter and it's getting late and it's like, and it's just chaos, chaos, chaos.
00:37:13.000 Finally, we get on a flight that takes us to Pensacola, which is far away, but this driver was going to pick us up, right?
00:37:21.000 And it was like 1:30 a.m. when we landed.
00:37:26.000 The driver picks us up, but we lost my luggage.
00:37:30.000 My luggage is lost.
00:37:32.000 We can't find it.
00:37:34.000 They tell us, well, we'll find it for you.
00:37:35.000 And we'll.
00:37:36.000 So we get in the car and we are just dying.
00:37:39.000 Like we just need to sleep.
00:37:41.000 And the guy in the car proceeds to talk our ears off for the entire 90-minute trip to the hotel.
00:37:50.000 It was just like a nightmare.
00:37:52.000 We get there.
00:37:53.000 It's 3:30.
00:37:56.000 We're trying to fall asleep.
00:37:58.000 For some reason, I wake up at seven.
00:38:01.000 We wake up.
00:38:03.000 We can't go back to sleep.
00:38:04.000 So the entire day, I'm shattered, so tired that I can't even speak.
00:38:09.000 Like just like, you know, when your brain is, you just can't think, you can't, whatever.
00:38:13.000 So of course, you just got engaged.
00:38:15.000 Suzanne and I get in such a horrible argument that she's in tears.
00:38:21.000 And I, we get back to the hotel.
00:38:24.000 Like I had to go and sign like, you know, like 500 books or something like this.
00:38:27.000 The whole thing was just horrible.
00:38:28.000 We did, we missed lunch.
00:38:29.000 So we get to the hotel and I lie down.
00:38:34.000 I realize that I have to go speak tonight.
00:38:38.000 And I'm in no condition to speak.
00:38:40.000 I've had a horrible argument with my sweet wife.
00:38:43.000 And I am just so shattered that I lie down and I pray really desperately, Lord, please, please help me.
00:38:55.000 I can't think straight, much less give a winsome, powerful speech to these people.
00:39:02.000 I'm just broken, Lord, please.
00:39:06.000 I had a vision.
00:39:08.000 Now, this is very rare.
00:39:10.000 This doesn't happen to me, but I had a vision.
00:39:12.000 It lasted maybe two seconds, but it was extremely vivid.
00:39:19.000 I'm lying down and praying, and suddenly it's like I get this chunk chunk, chunk chunk, it's gone.
00:39:25.000 But it was extremely vivid.
00:39:26.000 It was a cross.
00:39:28.000 It was made of wood.
00:39:30.000 It was very specific.
00:39:32.000 In other words, I knew that I've seen an actual cross.
00:39:36.000 It must exist in the world.
00:39:37.000 It wasn't symbolic.
00:39:40.000 It was real. 0.98
00:39:41.000 It was made of a certain kind of blonde wood. 1.00
00:39:43.000 And I knew exactly how big it was.
00:39:45.000 And I saw it for two seconds in my mind's eye.
00:39:47.000 And when I say I saw it in my mind's eye, I mean it like came in like cha-chain and left.
00:39:52.000 And it was not, it was not a product of my brain.
00:39:55.000 It was inserted very clearly.
00:39:57.000 Like that was, you know, you know, that was just a miracle.
00:40:00.000 Like the Lord just spoke to me.
00:40:02.000 But what the heck was that?
00:40:04.000 It was just a cross and then it goes away.
00:40:05.000 But it was so vivid.
00:40:07.000 And I thought, okay, if nothing else, I know God just spoke to me.
00:40:11.000 And he showed me a cross and he just decided to encourage me with this, right?
00:40:15.000 But it was, it was mind-blowing.
00:40:17.000 And 30 minutes later, my luggage arrives and we get dressed up and we go and I give a great speech and all this.
00:40:23.000 The next day I give another speech.
00:40:24.000 The day after that, there was a dinner party.
00:40:29.000 And he just passed away.
00:40:32.000 Winston Groom, who wrote Forrest Gump, was at the dinner party.
00:40:40.000 But the dinner party was in my honor, okay?
00:40:42.000 And so he was there and some other people were there.
00:40:45.000 But we got there early.
00:40:48.000 And the woman, our dear friend Fonse Bullard, she says, oh, let me show you the, they have this curious thing in Fairhope in Mobile Bay.
00:40:59.000 They all have these long docks.
00:41:02.000 And at the end of the dock, they've got like a big platform and a barbecue pit and stuff like that.
00:41:06.000 So like you, you, they, they spent a lot of time way out there.
00:41:09.000 And she was saying, I hope to have the dinner party out there, but it's too cold because it was, it was December even in Alabama.
00:41:15.000 So, but I told Suzanne and Anna Rose, my daughter, about this vision.
00:41:20.000 And I said, that cross was so vivid.
00:41:22.000 I will bet you, like, I will be in Russia someday at the Hermitage and I will see this because this church, this cross exists.
00:41:29.000 I will see this in my life.
00:41:30.000 I know it.
00:41:31.000 Like it was just so miraculously ba-boom in my brain.
00:41:34.000 What is that?
00:41:34.000 It's there it is.
00:41:35.000 There it is.
00:41:35.000 And it's gone.
00:41:36.000 So we're in Fairhope, Alabama at this dinner party.
00:41:40.000 It hasn't started yet.
00:41:40.000 We're the only ones there.
00:41:41.000 And Fonce says, Oh, why don't we, the three of us, four of us, go walk out.
00:41:46.000 I want to show you this dock and it's what we have here in Moses better.
00:41:49.000 So we walk out there.
00:41:49.000 Now they have a structure on the dock.
00:41:53.000 It's like a two-story structure.
00:41:57.000 So they've got, so you get there and there's all this stuff.
00:41:59.000 And then there's this other level with kind of like a little ladder.
00:42:03.000 So the kids go up there and stuff, right?
00:42:05.000 And Fonsi, Fonsi, had, she showed us before we walked out that she goes, oh, I got to tell you, like I try to witness to my neighbors.
00:42:16.000 So I have a, she actually had a cross of a Christmas light way out on the dock in the second floor of this thing.
00:42:26.000 So we get out there and she says, my, or I and my daughter, who was like 10 or something at the time, we decide to climb up the ladder, you know, to see what's up there and stuff like that.
00:42:36.000 So we climb up the ladder way out on the water.
00:42:39.000 And her Christmas decoration, the lights in the shape of the cross are up there.
00:42:44.000 And I go up with my daughter and I get up there and I look at the Christmas lights and they're wrapped around exactly the cross that I saw 48 hours before in my vision.
00:43:00.000 Like there was no doubt about it.
00:43:02.000 It was exactly the same size, the same wood.
00:43:05.000 It was it, except it was covered with these lights.
00:43:07.000 My daughter's, I've never been to her house before.
00:43:12.000 I've never been to whatever.
00:43:13.000 I mean, I was so freaked out that I said to my daughter, Anna Rose, and I know my daughter, like she rolls her eyes at this stuff.
00:43:19.000 She's like, okay, dad.
00:43:21.000 I said, Anna Rose, listen to me.
00:43:23.000 Listen to me.
00:43:24.000 I want you to, you're here with me now.
00:43:25.000 I want you to understand.
00:43:27.000 I have just experienced an insane miracle.
00:43:31.000 Remember, I tell you about that vision I had two nights ago.
00:43:33.000 That cross, this is it, Anna Rose.
00:43:35.000 You look at it.
00:43:36.000 I'm looking at it.
00:43:37.000 I want you to do it.
00:43:38.000 Okay.
00:43:39.000 It's one of those things, Charlie, that, and I've had a number of things like this, when it happens, it so blows your mind, you don't know where to turn.
00:43:47.000 Like you're just like, Lord, why are you freaking me out like this?
00:43:50.000 Like, this is too much.
00:43:52.000 How did I see this in the hotel room two days ago?
00:43:54.000 Why did you, okay?
00:43:56.000 But here's the punchline.
00:43:57.000 So I am so affirmed.
00:43:59.000 God is real.
00:43:59.000 He's just spoken to me.
00:44:00.000 This is just like insane.
00:44:03.000 And I've never told this story before, ever, because he was alive.
00:44:08.000 But Winston Groom, when we got off the dock and we walked all the way down this long dock back to the house, and there's Winston Groom, the author of Forrest Cump.
00:44:20.000 And I was so unhinged that as I'm talking to him, I said, Winston, I don't want to freak you out.
00:44:28.000 I just got to tell you what just happened to me 10 minutes ago because this has never happened to me in my life before.
00:44:34.000 And I told him the story, just as I told you.
00:44:37.000 And he said, Yeah, the mind does funny stuff sometimes.
00:44:44.000 It was like throwing a BB at a brick wall.
00:44:46.000 It was absolutely, he didn't, and we're talking about exceedingly bright man.
00:44:53.000 Is he an atheist or is that?
00:44:55.000 Yeah, I think so.
00:44:57.000 And I've never told the story publicly because, as I said, he was alive.
00:45:01.000 But this dear man, he's very dear, but he could not see what I perceived.
00:45:09.000 And I'm sure there are people listening to this now also, you know, like God has to make it real to you somehow.
00:45:15.000 But I've had a number of experiences like that.
00:45:17.000 And it so blows your mind.
00:45:18.000 You're like, look, no wonder people were tortured for their faith because you're like, you could do anything you want to me.
00:45:23.000 Like, I can't unsee that.
00:45:25.000 I can't unknow that.
00:45:26.000 I cannot pretend that God doesn't exist.
00:45:28.000 We can talk about it, but there's no way that I could possibly ever seriously say that that didn't happen.
00:45:35.000 So they were waiting for our cross.
00:45:38.000 Metaphorically.
00:45:39.000 Yeah.
00:45:39.000 Well, I mean, this is, I know God is real.
00:45:42.000 He does miracles when he chooses to do miracles.
00:45:44.000 So that's why you cannot, you can't insist on it.
00:45:46.000 But I've experienced enough of them to say that if I pray really hard, I know God hears me.
00:45:53.000 He's in charge of the details.
00:45:54.000 So I apologize for the long-winded story, but I will tell you, it blew my mind.
00:46:01.000 And even now telling it, I'm thinking, did that really happen?
00:46:04.000 Yeah, it happened.
00:46:05.000 And I've got a dozen other equivalent stories over the course of 30 years.
00:46:12.000 What do you do?
00:46:13.000 It's like you just say, look, that's, I know God is real.
00:46:17.000 I know the Bible is true.
00:46:18.000 I can't, maybe I can't convince you, but you can't unconvince me at this point.
00:46:23.000 So, Eric, thanks for joining.
00:46:25.000 I know you got a dash.
00:46:26.000 Privilege.
00:46:27.000 God bless you, young man.
00:46:28.000 Congratulations on that recent engagement.
00:46:30.000 Thank you.
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00:46:49.000 God bless.
00:46:49.000 Speak to you soon.