In this episode, host Ryan James Gurdesky and host of the numbers game podcast "Numbers Game" joins host Charlie Kirk to discuss the impact of the government shutdown, why it happened, and what it means for the country.
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00:01:09.000All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this show.
00:02:54.000But then they have to refund the government again in January.
00:02:57.000So it's not like it's like a, you know, they lost the fight for a million years.
00:03:01.000They get the fight again in two months.
00:03:03.000And I think that they'll get the health care vote and then they'll have the conversation.
00:03:06.000But ultimately, a large portion of the Senate Democrats are centrists, I guess is what they're insight.
00:03:14.000They're not part of the far left, which is why you see the far left on social media crying all day today.
00:03:19.000Yeah, I mean, it strikes me, though, is that there was essentially a calculation by a lot of these far left members of the caucus, even in the media.
00:03:29.000And you see this, Sonny Hostin is basically saying, hey, we want Schumer out.
00:03:37.000So you're essentially, it feels almost like they're snatching defeat from the jaws of victory here because they were winning the messaging war.
00:03:45.000They had convinced a large percentage of at least their electorate, but maybe some squishy middles, that we were just wanting to starve little kids and take health care away from Americans.
00:05:09.000So let's go back to this 50-year mortgage debate and kind of this Gen Z economic moonshot idea.
00:05:16.000We actually talked about it in our one.
00:05:18.000And I mean, we got inundated by emails across generations about what they thought of it.
00:05:24.000I'll be honest, I think, Blake, you would agree.
00:05:27.000It was more positive than we were expecting.
00:05:29.000People are actually a little bit more positive on this idea, at least in our audience, than what you would see on Twitter X discussion.
00:05:36.000Blake, I don't know if you— I was definitely expecting more negativity on it.
00:05:40.000And then I got a lot of people who said they liked the idea.
00:05:42.000Yeah, they basically are seeing in a very pragmatic way how people could use this, use it to get into the market in the first place, and then refinance or use it to trade up to a home.
00:06:11.000Yeah, I kind of agree that it's an entrance to the marketplace.
00:06:16.000I don't hate it because it's not like you have to do it, right?
00:06:18.000You're not forced to say that you could still do a 30-year loan.
00:06:21.000It's not like they're getting rid of the 30-year loan.
00:06:24.000And I think for a lot of people is that try to get in for lower rates and then readjust over time.
00:06:30.000But the American public is extremely fickle.
00:06:34.000We want solutions to take care of itself within six months.
00:06:36.000I mean, it's almost like we almost have like a sitcom show brain.
00:06:40.000Like the whole episode has to have a happy ending within 28 minutes.
00:06:43.000Otherwise, we don't really want to be part of it.
00:06:45.000So we would like a very short-term answer to this.
00:06:49.000And the problem is the root cause of our economy, the real stressors of it right now for everyday people, it's been happening for at least the five years, at least since COVID.
00:06:58.000A lot of these problems have been taking place.
00:06:59.000If you want to talk about the deficit and talk about other things, it's going on way longer, right?
00:07:05.000But right now, the insustainability of life for working class people, and especially for Gen Z, has been going on for five years.
00:07:11.000You can't fix the whole thing in the nine months that Trump has been president, right?
00:07:14.000And I know at times it doesn't seem like he's been paying attention to it because he's been out there on high-profile things, the wars in the Middle East and trying to solve Ukraine and other stuff.
00:07:23.000But I think that given what is the problem, right, for the everyday life, it's a question of how do I make it better in the immediate?
00:07:46.000I'm saying this is a critique that has been leveled against this administration.
00:07:51.000And I've heard it from both sides, actually.
00:07:54.000I had a conversation this morning from somebody on the left that alleged this, which doesn't surprise me, but hearing it over the weekend from the right.
00:08:00.000President Trump's economic populism is fake.
00:08:40.000And it feels like I almost suspect some of it is he's trying to, you know, maybe politically pressure the Supreme Court because he can be like, well, I'd have to take $2,000 back from everyone if the tariffs get repealed.
00:08:52.000And it's also just, we saw during COVID, we had a lot of stimulus payments during COVID, and it just drove an inflationary spike.
00:09:22.000But especially because of how addicted America's gotten to our current pattern, it will be hard to break that pattern, and possibly even politically impossible.
00:09:34.000I think that it has been a mixed bag, right?
00:09:36.000American right, the American right is obsessed with free market capitalism, and so he's sticking to things like the tax cuts on the wealthy.
00:09:43.000That I don't think, I think if he would have gotten rid of those, that it would have been much more populist.
00:09:48.000But I think that at the same exact time, he has done, he has, he's in arguably done populist things.
00:09:54.000I think that's, I think it's a mixed bag.
00:09:55.000It's hard to sit there and say he's only done one and only done the other.
00:10:00.000I know that I went to Capitol Hill right before the tax cut votes were coming up and I said, here's a poll that I've done with some very smart people.
00:10:08.000Least popular thing were tax cuts for millionaires.
00:10:11.000Most popular thing, no tax on Social Security, no tax on tips.
00:10:25.000Least popular tax cuts for millionaires.
00:10:28.000I brought that to the Republicans in Congress in the committee, and they were not really feeling that information.
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00:12:45.000I was reading just over the weekend about someone in a really conservative part of the country, but they just said the school board is like all kind of just libs because people don't pay attention to it.
00:12:55.000And it was like one guy blocking all the insane race communism and he lost re-election.
00:13:15.000And by the way, which is why we actually had you on here, is you had a contrarian take on New Jersey.
00:13:22.000It all ties in because Dems were playing the shutdown to juice up their base voters, especially, and it was smart because this is an off-year election.
00:13:30.000Our turnout, we have low-prop voters, they have high-prop voters.
00:13:34.000This is why we saw some of these margins increase over 2021 years.
00:13:39.000You say there's a glass half-full interpretation of what we saw in New Jersey specifically.
00:13:44.000I'm sure you could extrapolate that out, but what is your take?
00:13:47.000Yeah, so unlike Virginia, where Winston Sears really didn't run a very good race, Chittorelli did run a very good race.
00:13:53.000He got 200,000 more votes, sorry, 122,000 more votes than he did last time.
00:13:58.000That being said, he would have won any election in New Jersey's history since 1973, except for the one last week, because turnout increased by more than 50%.
00:14:07.000But when you look at the very bare bones metrics of where New Jersey is going, it's undeniably going in favor of Republicans.
00:14:30.000There was an immense blowback from Trump's, when Trump first got in, tens of thousands of new Democrats coming out of the woodwork, hundreds of thousands of new Democrats over the course of the four years.
00:14:42.000In the first year of this year, that all begins to reverse when Biden became president, by the way.
00:14:46.000In the first year of this year, Democrats lost 8,600 voters in the first 10 months of this year, while Republicans gained 21,000 new voters, right?
00:14:57.000An unparalleled trajectory, completely different than when Trump first became president.
00:15:03.000That shows that where the direction, where the trajectory of Jersey is going is undeniable, even though we had an election loss, even though independents swung against us this one time, people would much rather be a Republican than a Democrat.
00:15:15.000And there's a point of clarity in New Jersey that the Democratic Party really isn't working there.
00:15:19.000Now, we've heard a lot about like the Latino vote, right?
00:15:24.000When you look at how the Latino vote compared, voted in 2025 versus 2021 and 2017, they're still way more to the right than they were in 2017, right?
00:15:33.000They haven't lost all this huge support that we're going for Republicans.
00:15:36.000In some places, it's a double-digit increase.
00:15:39.000When you look at Republican versus Democrat increase in the raw vote, Republicans in many cities, they like Passaic, there was more raw vote increase towards Republicans over the last eight years than there were towards Democrats.
00:15:50.000And actually, when the liberals are like, oh, it's all immigration, when you look at what voters are talking about, it was cost of living because you know what group swung even harder against Republicans than Latinos in this last election from compared to 2021?
00:16:19.000It's just, it's a mixture of high propensity turnout from Democrats and anger over the economy.
00:16:25.000So would you say that, and by the way, I'm glad you brought up Latinos because one of the things Blake and I have talked a lot about is these new maps out of Texas.
00:16:32.000A lot of that is contingent on Hispanics staying in the Republican column.
00:16:36.000You could overengineer those maps and find yourself in a worse position theoretically.
00:17:05.000Immigration does not make the top five.
00:17:07.000And when you look at where they project Hispanics to go versus where they went, it's about maybe a five-point swing in the direction of Democrats, but it's not overwhelming and it's not pre-2020 to swing towards Republicans 2020.
00:17:19.000Do you think that holds for Texas too, real quick?
00:17:34.000President Trump walked into a catch-22 when taking office.
00:17:37.000Do nothing in America would be staring at a ticking debt bomb, the kind of crisis that could cripple our future.
00:17:42.000Instead, he's taken action with strong policies to slow the train and buy us some time.
00:17:47.000But the effects of past administration spending are still working through the system and experts predict dramatic price increases and market uncertainty.
00:17:55.000Trump is doing all he can, but no matter who's in office, protecting your retirement savings is ultimately up to you.
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00:18:16.000Now, here from Charlie in his own words.
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00:18:52.000And I know we're going to talk about some issues that were near and dear to Charlie's heart and that he and I discussed several times over the last few years.
00:19:04.000And, you know, we talked about this over the weekend and it's true.
00:19:06.000I mean, I think about all the times we had Darren Beatty on and you on talking about who did this?
00:19:12.000Like, you know, it's if you think back on the stakes of the J6 pipe bomber, I mean, if we're to believe what we're told is like Kamal Harris almost got, you know, murdered.
00:19:23.000And then like nobody in the government seemed to care.
00:19:29.000We heard so much about January 6th, and yet so rarely would they mention like, oh, the attempted assassination of the vice president or like this terrorist bombing is at the center of it.
00:19:41.000Julie, I'm, I, I, I approach it with, with fear and trembling because there's a lot of moving pieces here and a lot of allegations being thrown around.
00:19:52.000Tell our audience what happened this weekend, and then we'll get into whether we should believe it or not.
00:19:59.000So, first of all, as you guys know, and Charlie knows that I have been covering the pipe bomb, January 6th pipe bomb issue really since the summer of 2021.
00:20:10.000And no one did more work on this really than Darren Beatty at Revolver News.
00:20:15.000I really miss him at times like this because he always pegged and he exposed so many strange circumstances with both the DNC, that is where the pipe bomb was found outside of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee at about 1:05 on the afternoon of January 6, 2021.
00:20:37.000You could see police officer vehicles right there, including one belonging to the U.S. Secret Service, because to your point, we also uncovered the fact that strangely, Kamala Harris, who was a sitting U.S. Senator at the time, she was going to be part of the proceedings that day.
00:20:54.000Also, historic incoming vice president, for inexplicable reasons, went to the DNC headquarters at around 11:25 that morning.
00:21:04.000She was there when this really dummy device was found outside just to the right of where that black SUV is.
00:21:14.000And then also, we've covered the equally strange circumstances about the discovery of the device outside of the Republican National Committee headquarters.
00:21:22.000That was detected at about 12:40 p.m., 20 minutes before that joint session of Congress convened.
00:21:30.000So, anyway, we've been exposing all of this, Kamala Harris's presence, the law enforcement ties of the woman who discovered the RNC pipe bomb.
00:21:38.000I found the video that showed bomb-sniffing canine units, not once, but twice, right near the DNC device.
00:21:48.000So, look, few people want to know the identity of the person or people who set those devices.
00:21:57.000But what we saw happen over the weekend was a, and there is, um, you could see law enforcement after the alleged device was found.
00:22:06.000And as you guys know, it was right in between those two benches under that bush.
00:22:10.000Um, so at any rate, few people want to know the identity more than I do, or Darren Beatty, or the people who've really done so much work on this.
00:22:18.000But over the weekend, a really bombshell, sorry for the pun, story on the blaze claiming that a gate analysis had determined the identity of an individual who had similar walking patterns as this individual here, seen on surveillance video the night of January 5th, which is when the FBI thinks that both of those devices were planted.
00:22:48.000So, this has been, yes, I'm not going to say everything, but she was a Capitol Police officer on January 6th.
00:22:56.000She was using non-lethal munitions against the crowd, firing pepper balls into the crowd, as many Capitol Police officers were doing.
00:23:04.000And apparently, looking at that video, Steve Baker, who's one of the reporters on this story, thought that her walking patterns mirrored the one on the individual on January 5th, who still has not been identified.
00:23:21.000And the so-called gate analysis, apparently, some software determined that the match was around 94% certainty.
00:23:29.000So I have a lot of skepticism about that story.
00:23:34.000But this, as you know, you guys, this took over the internet over the weekend and is still getting a lot of coverage and attention.
00:23:42.000There's other circumstantial evidence they claim, right?
00:23:47.000Like she did leave the Capitol Police shortly after.
00:23:50.000Like they're offering other, certainly not, it's certainly not proof 100% by itself, but they do have more than just gate analysis, literally just AI analyzing how they walk, I guess.
00:24:03.000Yeah, well, and it is interesting to note that she did leave the Capitol Police like pretty shortly thereafter.
00:24:09.000And it's like she left and there's like a lot of quiet, like they claim, you know, it's all very quiet.
00:24:14.000Yeah, but I'm not like, I'm not in a position, and Julia, I'd love your feedback on this.
00:24:18.000I'm not in a position where I even want to name the person because, you know, if allegations like this are wrong, it's deeply unfair to the person being named and having their reputation, you know, sullied basically for, you know, we're not sure, right?
00:24:37.000And I think there's two sort of stories under going on here at the same time.
00:24:42.000One is this analysis that Steve Baker did, gate analysis, walking, which is walking analysis, but it's also one of those stories that keeps coming back around because it is so mysterious why it wasn't made the hugest story, you know, during January 6th.
00:25:01.000It should have been at least a top two or top three story that the vice president was almost, you know, murdered along with the RNC.
00:25:10.000And some of it, it just doesn't make any sense because it's this glaring kind of outlier and we can't make sense of it.
00:25:17.000But we all know that there was funny business going on on J6, and this would be a linchpin in the unraveling this narrative that I believe has been sold to us that doesn't make any sense.
00:25:40.000But first, I want to clarify my position.
00:25:43.000Number one, I do not believe and have never believed that those devices were set the night of January 5th.
00:25:50.000Because to believe that, you have to believe that neither device was, that both devices went undetected for 17 hours, and which seems particularly unlikely in the case of the DNC device, where not only, again, there were two bomb-sniffing canine units who were right there, you had law enforcement from the Secret Service, Metro Police, Capitol Police, who were right outside of the DNC headquarters numerous times.
00:26:21.000And again, that device wasn't really obscured.
00:26:23.000It was right between those two benches.
00:26:25.000Not to mention pedestrians and other dogs and people just walking back and forth.
00:26:31.000Very strange that that would have sat there for 17 hours undetected.
00:26:36.000The RNC device, also very sketchy, the woman with law enforcement ties.
00:26:41.000Now, she told the FBI that there was no way that that device, that the device was not planted before noon on January 6th.
00:26:51.000She said it had to have been planted between noon and 1240 on January 6th because she went to that area at noon and didn't see the device there.
00:27:05.000So that is where the DNC device you could see right there allegedly was sitting there for 17 hours and no one spotted it.
00:27:16.000There's also some video that indicates that maybe there was a plain clothes police officer who could have set it there around 1253, 1255 on January 6th.
00:27:28.000So I've never doubted that this was an inside job.
00:28:50.000But I do want to make clear, Andrew, this is what the FBI believes as well.
00:28:53.000They just did another update on that too.
00:28:55.000They just did an update on that as well.
00:28:58.000The problem with this article, the public should be able to see the video samples that they use for the gate analysis.
00:29:04.000And we also should be able to see a copy of the analysis they call forensic evidence.
00:29:11.000So when you're not including those links or that evidence or material in your article, it definitely should raise questions about the veracity of it.
00:29:22.000Furthermore, people who are asking questions, and I think these are legit, legit are being attacked.
00:29:27.000So I'm not really sure what that is about.
00:29:29.000This could kind of be simply solved by just giving everyone the evidence that they used to determine this was a suspect.
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00:30:57.000We are still getting blown up by emails here.
00:31:01.000No pun with the pipe bomb story, but we're still getting a lot of your emails about the 50-year mortgage.
00:31:07.000Colleen is worried that we're being swayed by the email from emails from you guys that seem a little bit more positive than we anticipated.
00:32:22.000I mean, Ilhan Omar would be a first example.
00:32:24.000But no, I mean, you know, incentivizing good behavior, though, and then disincentivizing foreigners, straight up banning institutional money from being able to purchase these homes.
00:32:36.000Private equity is another area of debate.
00:32:41.000You just have to think, like, what is our goal here?
00:32:43.000And it's as Charlie pointed out, the goal is to create an ownership society where people feel they have a stake in it.
00:32:49.000And that might mean we need to arrange things with mortgages where it's not an endlessly growing investment vehicle.
00:32:57.000So, Blake, we have just so many emails.
00:32:59.000We wanted to make more time in the show to get through them.
00:33:04.000Also, I want to apologize because someone said they went to the same high school as BoysTwo Men, and I am too much of a young person, unlike our older co-hosts.
00:33:14.000So I thought Boys Two Men was like a 90s movie.
00:33:54.000My idea is to build 10 million new homes, deport illegals, lower illegal immigration, which is going to take some doing, lower the regulatory burden to build new homes, and then play with other financial incentives, like writing off your entire mortgage up until the age of 35, prioritizing first-time homebuyers, banning institutional money, banning foreign investors, or as Lomez suggested, maybe put a tax on that because they are buyers.
00:34:24.000I mean, people want to sell their homes.
00:34:28.000By the way, Williams says, guys, Blake was right about not giving the money away like the crazy, stupid money blown by Biden, which spiked inflation and has stayed up because of the budget deficit.
00:34:38.000The tariff money could be put in a sovereign wealth fund, and when it gets to a trillion, start to draw from it monthly for government expenses instead of borrowing that amount from the Fed.
00:34:48.000Matt, the sad thing is, is that that's something we could have easily done decades ago.
00:34:54.000And that's what Norway, for example, Norway has done that.
00:34:57.000Norway has a sovereign wealth fund from their oil business.
00:35:00.000And they're a country of five, six million people, and it's in the trillions of dollars.
00:35:04.000So it's actually a quite large amount of money per Norwegian citizen.
00:35:08.000And America could have, now we're broke, but America had a long run where we were a very rich country that could have been pumping resources into that.
00:35:16.000And the sad thing is, I've read about that.
00:35:19.000Remember when Bush wanted to privatize Social Security in about 2005?
00:35:50.000I mean, it's like, okay, if you want to have it as a thing, I wouldn't have like as a thing.
00:35:55.000of this stuff is a silver bullet it would just i would worry that that would basically just be it would feel like a giveaway to people who already have bitcoin to me And it's this hugely volatile asset.
00:37:03.000I will tell you, the first home I bought was probably against the rules.
00:37:06.000Dave Ramsey would have been so mad at me, but I made out like a bandit on it.
00:37:09.000I did an interest-only loan on a home I otherwise couldn't afford, sold it after two and a half years, and we did well with it because we bought in a really good neighborhood.
00:37:18.000So some of this stuff is like, you know, there's a general rule of thumb and then there's reality, you know?
00:37:23.000I'm not saying I was in the majority, but it worked.