The Charlie Kirk Show - December 11, 2024


"Are You Grateful to Be Alive?": More from ASU ft. George Janko


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In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk sits down with guest speaker George Janko to discuss the controversial topic of abortion. Charlie and George discuss abortion, rape, and rape culture in the U.S.

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00:01:18.000 Hello, Charlie.
00:01:19.000 Yeah.
00:01:19.000 I'm very looking forward to being here.
00:01:21.000 So I just wanted to ask a question.
00:01:23.000 It's based on a hypothetical, if that's all right.
00:01:25.000 So let's say, hypothetically, you had some kind of disease, and this disease could be very easily cured.
00:01:31.000 And you have health insurance, you're a tax-paying citizen, you do everything right.
00:01:35.000 Surely it's within your right to get that disease cured.
00:01:39.000 Can I just, sorry, can you just say yes, just for the sake of clarity?
00:01:42.000 Yes, but will the disease go away in nine months?
00:01:45.000 That's not a question, just if you had a sickness.
00:01:47.000 I'm trying to play one step ahead of where you're trying to take this, but yes, of course.
00:01:51.000 Are you comparing a disease to a pregnant one? 1.00
00:01:53.000 No, I've heard this before, but I'm not sure.
00:01:55.000 I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
00:01:56.000 Okay, and you'd probably agree that if a child had a disease, it would be within our rights to try and assist them.
00:02:03.000 We don't want their children. 0.96
00:02:04.000 Yeah.
00:02:05.000 Exactly.
00:02:06.000 So, can you explain to me why a child who has been raped and is pregnant does not deserve an abortion? 0.98
00:02:13.000 Oh, yeah.
00:02:14.000 Okay.
00:02:14.000 So, well, first and foremost, I have two ultrasounds.
00:02:17.000 One of the ultrasounds is a baby that was conceived in rape.
00:02:21.000 The other ultrasound is a baby that is from a loving relationship.
00:02:25.000 Can you tell me which one is which?
00:02:27.000 I'm going to be fully honest.
00:02:28.000 I do not know.
00:02:29.000 Please inform me.
00:02:30.000 Well, you can't because they're both human beings.
00:02:32.000 There's actually someone in this audience here that was conceived in rape.
00:02:35.000 Can you tell me which one it is?
00:02:40.000 I appreciate that you're actually looking around.
00:02:42.000 No, no, because you don't know because human beings conceived in rape actually are equal human beings of people not.
00:02:47.000 The point being is that it is not morally correct to murder a human being regardless of the circumstance of how that baby was put into this world despite how evil and horrific that it is.
00:02:58.000 Okay, I just also want to continue that I mean this in full sincerity.
00:03:01.000 I'm not making fun of anyone.
00:03:02.000 I'm a big advocate of the Second Amendment.
00:03:05.000 I genuinely think that the right to bear arms is brilliant because if someone invades your home, if someone is threatening your wife, surely you would want to vanquish them in order to protect your family.
00:03:18.000 Is that fair?
00:03:19.000 Yeah, but a baby is not an invader of your home.
00:03:23.000 Even for a 12-year-old who will die in childbirth?
00:03:26.000 Well, hold on.
00:03:26.000 That's a different question.
00:03:28.000 So the question is, remember, my answer, which you're referencing a Jubilee video, was that if...
00:03:34.000 I've never seen that video, but yes, go ahead.
00:03:35.000 Okay, but it's been well, let's just say, documented that my view on it, if...
00:03:41.000 If the woman or the 12-year-old were to live, then the baby should be delivered. 0.90
00:03:46.000 Now, mind you, that abortion is never medically necessary to save a mother's life, period.
00:03:52.000 However, septujectomies are medically necessary, which are medical procedures to perform on a woman or a baby if the amniotic sac tears and the baby's head gets full of fluid, right?
00:04:03.000 So I'm just trying to understand, if a 12-year-old's life is not in danger, you should try to save all lives involved.
00:04:11.000 That's the position.
00:04:12.000 Is that you shouldn't try to eliminate the unborn baby.
00:04:15.000 Because that's still murder.
00:04:16.000 And then let me ask you another question.
00:04:18.000 In life, is it ever okay to do something evil after an evil?
00:04:24.000 I would say no.
00:04:25.000 I would say that I'm a sort of...
00:04:28.000 I believe in the work of John Locke.
00:04:29.000 I believe that all humans are born good.
00:04:32.000 And so I believe that, you know, if you've read the book The Oresteia, it's this Greek story where violence necessitates violence necessitates violence.
00:04:41.000 Fighting and fighting don't lead us to anything.
00:04:44.000 And do you know how that book ends?
00:04:45.000 It ends with Athena, goddess of wisdom, bringing democracy to the people, letting every voice be heard.
00:04:52.000 That's pretty wonderful, will you say?
00:04:54.000 We totally agree.
00:04:56.000 So, therefore, an evil, horrendous, unspeakable act happens of somebody getting raped, which is very rare, resulting in pregnancy.
00:05:04.000 Therefore, continuing that cycle of evil is not the right moral thing to do.
00:05:12.000 Apply that now to the self-defense argument.
00:05:15.000 Someone breaks into your house, starts beating up your son, are you not going to shoot them?
00:05:19.000 Hold on.
00:05:20.000 It's not the same thing.
00:05:21.000 Let me give you another argument, which is that if in that instance there was an innocent life...
00:05:29.000 Let me say this.
00:05:30.000 If someone broke into my house and all of a sudden that person had a baby strapped to their chest, I wouldn't shoot them. 0.72
00:05:37.000 Would you?
00:05:39.000 No, because I think there's a certain utilitarian argument.
00:05:42.000 Okay, then we're agreeing.
00:05:43.000 But, but, but, but, you said the word baby, not the word fetus.
00:05:49.000 What is the moral difference?
00:05:51.000 Are you familiar with the IUD contraception and how it can eliminate an embryo after conception?
00:05:56.000 Do you mean the copper IUD or you mean a traditional IUD? There's two types of IUDs.
00:06:02.000 The one that was brought up to you in the other Dean Winters video, the one I did see.
00:06:07.000 Yeah, so again, so copper kills almost all sperm.
00:06:11.000 There is an IUD, but an IUD is not an abortifacient.
00:06:14.000 So you're pro-contraception.
00:06:16.000 Well, personally, not really, but in society, of course, yes.
00:06:21.000 I mean, again, these are personal decisions versus societal decisions, but I guess you said the question is of a fetus and a baby, what is the moral difference between the two?
00:06:32.000 I'm so sorry for going on a tangent, but I want to ask you philosophically, what separates you, the man, Charlie Kirk, from the animals?
00:06:42.000 We are the speaking beings.
00:06:44.000 Exactly.
00:06:44.000 I could not agree more.
00:06:46.000 I know.
00:06:46.000 I'm Aristotelian at my core.
00:06:48.000 Wonderful.
00:06:48.000 So am I. You're a robot.
00:06:51.000 However, if a being cannot speak, that does not mean they're no longer human.
00:06:55.000 Exactly, because I was actually going to clarify.
00:06:57.000 Would you more say it's more rationality or some might even say experience?
00:07:01.000 It's more than that, though.
00:07:02.000 I believe that there's a deeper level, though, that the soul is the outgrowth of your rationality.
00:07:08.000 But that has to be done practically.
00:07:09.000 So, for example, this is actually flummoxing brain scientists right now.
00:07:14.000 We don't know where consciousness is housed in the brain.
00:07:16.000 Very true.
00:07:16.000 And so, you know your stuff.
00:07:18.000 We don't know where consciousness is, and it's driving neuroscientists crazy.
00:07:21.000 When someone is considered brain dead, it's an amazing story.
00:07:25.000 An 11-year-old got in a terrific auto accident, was called brain dead, and all of a sudden, a year later, she has a period.
00:07:33.000 And you're like, wait, I thought she's brain dead. 1.00
00:07:36.000 When we cut into someone who's brain dead in their arm, their adrenaline increases.
00:07:40.000 Someone who's brain dead, if a loved one starts to go up to them and talk to them, their heart rate increases.
00:07:45.000 So even though there might not be brain waves, there's something else that is being, that is able to communicate with the outside world beyond reason.
00:07:53.000 Does that make sense?
00:07:53.000 Sure.
00:07:54.000 And I think it's a mystery of what that is.
00:07:56.000 I think it's the soul.
00:07:57.000 But I would say it's action, wouldn't you?
00:07:59.000 It's action and experience.
00:08:01.000 No, no.
00:08:02.000 Why not?
00:08:03.000 It's more than that.
00:08:03.000 Well, let me think deeper about what we mean by that.
00:08:07.000 Go further.
00:08:08.000 I mean that I truly don't believe a person is a person until they commit an action, until they have thoughts, because you said that...
00:08:17.000 But isn't growing in the womb an action?
00:08:20.000 Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't hear that.
00:08:21.000 Isn't growing in the womb an action?
00:08:23.000 No.
00:08:24.000 So let me ask you a question.
00:08:25.000 What action did my son have when he was born a minute old?
00:08:29.000 He starts crying.
00:08:31.000 Okay, so you consider that an action.
00:08:34.000 So let me ask a question.
00:08:35.000 When my son was 12 weeks old, he was kicking in his mother's, my wife's womb.
00:08:39.000 Is that an action?
00:08:41.000 Sure!
00:08:42.000 That's what I just said!
00:08:43.000 Sure!
00:08:43.000 Yeah, I know.
00:08:43.000 Okay!
00:08:44.000 Okay!
00:08:44.000 Yeah, but- Sure!
00:08:45.000 I literally almost- You mentally got me.
00:08:46.000 I was like, oh, maybe- Sure!
00:08:47.000 No, no, but- Sure!
00:08:49.000 I'm holding my hand up.
00:08:49.000 Let me go a step further.
00:08:51.000 When my daughter was in my wife's womb, around 25 weeks, would recognize my voice and push up against her stomach. 0.99
00:08:57.000 Is that an action?
00:08:58.000 Sure!
00:08:59.000 Absolutely!
00:08:59.000 So, therefore, worthy of moral protection.
00:09:06.000 But if the mother's life is at risk...
00:09:08.000 Which is, again, let's be very clear.
00:09:11.000 That is so incredibly rare, and abortion is never medically necessary to save a mother's life.
00:09:16.000 There are other procedures outside of abortion that can save the mother's life. 0.62
00:09:20.000 For example, if you're 26 weeks pregnant and your uterine wall ruptures, which is a serious thing, they say abortion is the only solution.
00:09:28.000 No, you can have the baby delivered by C-section, which is cesarean section, which is not an abortion.
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00:10:37.000 May I ask you a question if you don't mind?
00:10:38.000 Of course, yes.
00:10:40.000 Let's put this really, really dark thought away, right?
00:10:43.000 Rape is a terrible thing to be around. 0.96
00:10:45.000 And it's a tough conversation to have.
00:10:47.000 But it does happen, I am sorry.
00:10:48.000 But yes, you're right.
00:10:49.000 Absolutely.
00:10:50.000 But let's just put that right here for a second.
00:10:52.000 But if the woman was completely healthy, do you feel like she has the right, if she could healthily give the baby, do you think that she has the right to kill that baby as well? 0.93
00:11:02.000 That is the woman's choice. 1.00
00:11:03.000 I am a man.
00:11:04.000 I cannot choose for her.
00:11:05.000 Now, can I ask you something?
00:11:06.000 If, God forbid, you loved a woman, and she was pregnant with your child, and you wanted this child with all of your heart, you dreamt about this child, and she has every right to walk into this building and remove your son away from you, you don't find that hurtful?
00:11:21.000 Not particularly, no, because it's a hard decision.
00:11:24.000 Okay, but again, I just want to get back to you.
00:11:27.000 Not until it's born.
00:11:28.000 So, but you said action determines moral worth.
00:11:30.000 At what point does it become a human being?
00:11:33.000 After it exits the womb.
00:11:34.000 But again, all the actions in the womb, the kicking of all that, that's still not human.
00:11:39.000 Even though it's human DNA, human experience, human heartbeat, human brain waves.
00:11:44.000 There's this lovely lady who wants to speak real quick. 1.00
00:11:46.000 Yeah, sure.
00:11:46.000 I just have a question for you.
00:11:47.000 You said it's not your child until it's born.
00:11:49.000 Does that mean you think it could be someone else's while it's in the womb and then it changes when it's born?
00:11:56.000 I do not wish to antagonize you, but I don't see how that's relevant.
00:12:01.000 I'm so sorry.
00:12:03.000 Let me stay focused on him, if that's okay.
00:12:05.000 I just want to make sure we're morally clear, though.
00:12:08.000 In order for your line of thinking to be correct, you say you're a man, you don't have a right to say over it.
00:12:14.000 Why does the mom have a right to say over the baby if it's not her DNA? It happens to be in her? 1.00
00:12:20.000 No, because it is her body.
00:12:23.000 No, it's another body in her body. 0.83
00:12:25.000 No, it's her body. 1.00
00:12:26.000 Well, no, the baby's different DNA, though.
00:12:28.000 So it's actually not her body.
00:12:30.000 Because your DNA was not your mom's DNA. It's separate deoxyribonucleic acid.
00:12:35.000 It's not a clone of the mom.
00:12:36.000 It's an offspring of the mom.
00:12:39.000 Again, I don't see that.
00:12:41.000 No, but you keep on saying it's her body.
00:12:42.000 The baby is actually not her body.
00:12:44.000 It's attached to her body through an umbilical cord.
00:12:50.000 So if the two entities are separate, then I can shoot a pregnant woman and the baby will be fine? 1.00
00:12:54.000 Well, no.
00:12:56.000 One is temporarily dependent on the other.
00:13:00.000 No different than my one-year-old right now.
00:13:03.000 If you came and killed all of us in our house, my baby would starve to death after two days.
00:13:07.000 And no one would feed it.
00:13:09.000 So how is that morally different?
00:13:11.000 So why should one-year-olds get moral protection and ten-week-olds should not?
00:13:15.000 Because a one-year-old can't kill its own mother. 0.60
00:13:20.000 No, but remember, take that out of the equation.
00:13:22.000 Say the mom's fine.
00:13:23.000 No, I'm not taking it.
00:13:24.000 Sorry, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but like, this is the truth.
00:13:27.000 Birth is painful.
00:13:28.000 Birth is one of the...
00:13:31.000 Women scream and sweat and there is blood everywhere during a birth. 1.00
00:13:35.000 It is not a nice thing.
00:13:37.000 What?
00:13:37.000 From my perspective, it seems to me that Satan has captivated your heart to the most beautiful thing a woman goes through is childbirth.
00:13:45.000 If you asked my mom what was the best day of her life, it's giving birth.
00:13:49.000 That is your perspective.
00:13:51.000 That is not a true perspective.
00:13:53.000 I think it is up to the woman whether childbirth is a good thing, because I'm not the one giving birth.
00:14:00.000 Right, again, but just to close this out, we'll keep going in circles.
00:14:03.000 The moral dimension that you and pro-aborts apply to the womb cannot be applied to any other realm of life. 0.86
00:14:09.000 So, is it okay for a mother to kill her one week old? 1.00
00:14:13.000 Of course not, we would say.
00:14:15.000 Didn't you just say that this can't be applied to other aspects of life?
00:14:18.000 But I begun this argument by saying, if you needed a cure for something and a doctor denied it to you, that would be an immoral action.
00:14:25.000 You agreed with me.
00:14:26.000 Yes, but obliterating a life is not a cure.
00:14:28.000 And also you said if she was fine, it's fine.
00:14:33.000 Not...
00:14:33.000 Really?
00:14:34.000 Like...
00:14:35.000 Okay.
00:14:37.000 Last question.
00:14:38.000 Are you thankful your mom did not abort you?
00:14:40.000 Not particularly.
00:14:46.000 Can I ask you a question?
00:14:47.000 Of course, please.
00:14:49.000 Are you happy?
00:14:51.000 Do you have peace in your heart?
00:14:52.000 No, I don't.
00:14:53.000 Okay.
00:14:54.000 And I feel for you, bro.
00:14:55.000 I think the first step right now is to give you love and peace.
00:14:58.000 And then you'll be able to understand where we're coming from.
00:15:01.000 Because I love you, bro, and I'm so happy that you're here.
00:15:03.000 Thank you.
00:15:03.000 I love you too.
00:15:04.000 Yeah.
00:15:04.000 I'm sorry for a while, but can I close with one thing?
00:15:07.000 Surely you guys think that the best thing for a child is to be raised in a loving home.
00:15:11.000 Yeah, amen.
00:15:12.000 So we...
00:15:13.000 Sorry.
00:15:13.000 Well, the best thing for a child is to give it life.
00:15:16.000 So you'd be okay with a child being in an abusive home where he gets here every night?
00:15:19.000 Not okay, but hold on a second.
00:15:21.000 Is life or death, we choose life.
00:15:24.000 You do not give the excuse to the circumstances a reason to murder the being, period.
00:15:28.000 End of story.
00:15:29.000 So to clarify, you're okay with a child growing up in an abusive home?
00:15:31.000 No, I'm not okay with it.
00:15:32.000 I'm saying that if you were given a binary...
00:15:34.000 If you were to say, Charlie, a kid is going to grow up in a tough environment, do you want to murder it now?
00:15:39.000 The answer is no.
00:15:40.000 And I'll ask the same question I asked earlier.
00:15:42.000 If you had a baby, or do you think it should be legal, if the doctor calls, hey, your son's going to have Down syndrome, should I be able to have an abortion based on that information?
00:15:51.000 That's the woman's choice. 1.00
00:15:53.000 I think that's eugenics. 0.97
00:15:55.000 I think it's eugenics if all of a sudden you're terminating a being based on whether or not it doesn't have an IQ as high as yours. 0.90
00:16:03.000 That's conjecture.
00:16:04.000 That same argument could be applied to a fetus that's a subject of rape.
00:16:08.000 It's the woman's choice regardless. 0.98
00:16:09.000 No, I know.
00:16:10.000 You're correct, right.
00:16:11.000 Saying it's the woman's choice is the same moral paradigm of how we got to Nazi Germany. 0.61
00:16:17.000 It's the same thing.
00:16:18.000 It's dehumanizing language.
00:16:19.000 It's that they're not human.
00:16:21.000 They're not worthy of protection.
00:16:22.000 It's just someone's choice.
00:16:24.000 It doesn't matter if they're eliminated.
00:16:25.000 They're going to have a bad life anyway.
00:16:27.000 Let's just get rid of them.
00:16:28.000 Where we have to make moral arguments is even if it's difficult, hard, painful, and there's a struggle, life is beautiful and life is worthy of protection.
00:16:35.000 Even in an abusive home.
00:16:38.000 Yes, even in tough environments.
00:16:40.000 That's not an excuse for that at all.
00:16:42.000 Can I ask you something?
00:16:43.000 Were you in an abusive home?
00:16:44.000 No, I was in a very loving home, but I care very deeply about women's rights and LGBTQ rights, which I believe are being threatened.
00:16:50.000 What is a woman? 1.00
00:16:54.000 I failed to see the question's relevance.
00:16:58.000 You said you care about women's rights. 0.96
00:17:00.000 I want to make sure we're talking about the same thing.
00:17:01.000 What is a woman? 1.00
00:17:02.000 A person who identifies as a woman.
00:17:07.000 Right, but that's not a definition.
00:17:10.000 That's like saying a coffee cup is something that looks like a coffee cup.
00:17:13.000 You have to give me an objective definition of a woman. 0.91
00:17:17.000 No, that's the first pre-step.
00:17:20.000 Aristotle, a couch is a couch.
00:17:22.000 We get to the first pre-step.
00:17:23.000 You eventually ask, what is this?
00:17:24.000 What is this?
00:17:24.000 What is this?
00:17:25.000 Fundamentally, your only answer can be, this is this.
00:17:28.000 Or are you suggesting 2 plus 2 equals 5?
00:17:31.000 Well, no, I'm trying to say, how can one independently know they're looking at a woman? 1.00
00:17:35.000 By what definition?
00:17:37.000 You ask them, like a normal person.
00:17:39.000 Right, but what is the definition of that?
00:17:42.000 Meaning, for example, a woman is an adult human female with excess chromosomes. 0.99
00:17:47.000 That is an objective definition of what a woman is. 1.00
00:17:50.000 Words have multiple definitions, so I'll agree with you.
00:17:52.000 I'm sorry, what?
00:17:53.000 I said words have multiple definitions, so I will agree with you.
00:17:59.000 Someone just said, no, they don't.
00:18:00.000 The word set has about eight different definitions to what it can mean.
00:18:03.000 Okay, but just to be clear, if anybody can be a woman or you say that as a woman, then therefore can I become a black person if I want to?
00:18:14.000 We're talking about gender, not race.
00:18:17.000 Well, hold on.
00:18:17.000 The guy says no.
00:18:19.000 But hold on.
00:18:20.000 It's my truth if I want to be a black person.
00:18:22.000 Why can't I be?
00:18:23.000 We're talking about gender, not race.
00:18:25.000 What's the difference?
00:18:26.000 This is a red herring fallacy.
00:18:27.000 We're talking about something entirely different.
00:18:28.000 No, it's not.
00:18:29.000 Yes, it is.
00:18:30.000 Got it.
00:18:30.000 So, what is the difference between gender and species?
00:18:33.000 If I want to be a giraffe, can I be a giraffe?
00:18:36.000 Just so you know, that's one of the classified genders now, is that I am two-spirit.
00:18:41.000 I think America is beautiful because it's a land of the free.
00:18:45.000 It's where you choose who you want to be.
00:18:47.000 So if you want to be that, it literally does not affect me.
00:18:51.000 Go ahead.
00:18:52.000 I could not care less.
00:18:53.000 They will affect you.
00:18:55.000 It won't affect you right now.
00:18:56.000 But the same way that you want to affect that baby in the womb, because of the way you believe, it will grow and affect other homes.
00:19:05.000 I think right now, just from speaking to you, dude, I think that you have the heart to stand up for what's right.
00:19:11.000 Absolutely.
00:19:11.000 And I believe you.
00:19:12.000 And I believe you when you said that you don't have any peace in your heart right now.
00:19:16.000 I believe you.
00:19:17.000 So what I'm saying is everybody here who's like, ooh, he got him, he got him.
00:19:22.000 But remember, all of you guys who believe in Jesus stand here and mock, but you guys were equally at one point lacking wisdom before God gave it to you guys.
00:19:31.000 Yes.
00:19:31.000 So please don't, as a Christian, break and throw a stone.
00:19:34.000 That's not how we should be representing Jesus.
00:19:36.000 I very much agree.
00:19:38.000 I think arguing and shouting and screaming and blabber is getting us nowhere.
00:19:43.000 I think intellectual conversation is getting us.
00:19:45.000 So I thank you dearly for what you just said.
00:19:47.000 Thank you.
00:19:48.000 But from my perspective right here, right now, I will stand up for the baby that cannot speak for itself.
00:19:54.000 Because my God told me.
00:19:55.000 So what I want to do, just closing this chapter out, is on the way out, I really do.
00:19:59.000 All of the people that chanted and booed, remember your God is watching you.
00:20:04.000 Pray for this gentleman, because he just admitted to you he's with no peace.
00:20:09.000 Give this man peace on the way out.
00:20:11.000 Show him what Christians do, please, guys. 0.55
00:20:12.000 Thank you.
00:20:13.000 Thank you so much, bro.
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00:21:20.000 Charlie and George.
00:21:21.000 First of all, George, I want to say what you're doing with your podcast is so influential, not only for me, but I see it for all around the world.
00:21:28.000 And for all of us conservatives that are here right now, the person standing right in front of us was living in a worldly view of life.
00:21:35.000 And he changed his life for Jesus.
00:21:37.000 And we have a lot of us here on campus at Arizona State right now that call themselves Christians, yet live in the way of the world. 0.99
00:21:43.000 And there's something about being a Christian where you make space for him, you become like him, then you live like him.
00:21:48.000 And when we have like people coming up here and being vulnerable and sharing it and we're like spearing out, hey, we should love them.
00:21:55.000 They're coming here with a vulnerable heart to like share what they're feeling.
00:21:57.000 And the constitution was built upon the founding fathers that were like 55 out of 56 were like Christian. 0.64
00:22:02.000 Right.
00:22:02.000 And so I just hope and pray that those of us listening to this message today, go to like go to his podcast.
00:22:08.000 Listen to it with like what he was talking about with Bryce Crawford.
00:22:11.000 That was amazing.
00:22:12.000 I mean, his testimony is like truly influential.
00:22:15.000 Like, it's insane.
00:22:16.000 Somebody's willing to take his life and put their life into Jesus Christ to deny ourselves.
00:22:19.000 But remember that this, I'm scared, like, I'm scared that after this, if we do lose this, like, what's next for us, you know what I mean, as a country?
00:22:25.000 Because do we even really have swing states at that point?
00:22:28.000 Like, where do we fall under as a country?
00:22:31.000 Yeah, it's a similar question as before.
00:22:32.000 It'll be really dark, so we gotta win.
00:22:34.000 It's gonna get really dark.
00:22:35.000 We might not have a country.
00:22:36.000 And Charlie, like, say we win, right?
00:22:38.000 Like, are you gonna be behind the Republican Party, or are you gonna be behind, like, DeSantis, or are you gonna be behind Vivek?
00:22:43.000 Like, how does this work later?
00:22:45.000 I have no idea.
00:22:45.000 I'm gonna keep on running Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action, and...
00:22:49.000 I know he asked you this before.
00:22:51.000 Would you ever consider...
00:22:53.000 Nope.
00:22:53.000 Okay, I didn't think you would.
00:22:54.000 I'm not running for anything.
00:22:55.000 But other than that, guys, I just pray that one of us, not even one, that us as a nation, us as a country, would fall under the grace of God and that Jesus would have mercy for all of our hearts, even the ones that are hurting and searching.
00:23:06.000 Thank you.
00:23:37.000 First of all, what's going on, Charlie?
00:23:39.000 I'm a libertarian, so I sit very moderate and I do lean more towards the conservative deals.
00:23:46.000 But a lot of the people that are up here talking about where they're voting and they're pulling their religion.
00:23:51.000 You said earlier that I have to have religion in my life to be peaceful, to be kind, and a lot of other things.
00:23:57.000 A lot of other people said that.
00:23:58.000 I'm agnostic.
00:24:00.000 I don't necessarily believe that the way that Christians or any of the religions we see, and that's the big problem that I have right there, is there's millions of religions, and every one of them are pounding on their chest that they're the correct religion. 1.00
00:24:11.000 So I have an issue with any of the religions being correct. 1.00
00:24:15.000 Is it plausible to be kind, peace-filled, happy, and everything without religion in my life? 0.97
00:24:21.000 That's my first question.
00:24:23.000 Yes, but it's not possible to know what kind is without religion.
00:24:27.000 Tell me that.
00:24:28.000 I disagree with that.
00:24:29.000 What is good?
00:24:31.000 Well, good is everything.
00:24:32.000 For example, I teach my children 100% to be considerate of other people at all times.
00:24:37.000 For sure.
00:24:37.000 How do you know that's good?
00:24:39.000 I'm intelligent.
00:24:40.000 I have a brain.
00:24:42.000 I don't need Ten Commandments to tell me.
00:24:44.000 Where did you learn that?
00:24:46.000 I just learned it from people probably before me.
00:24:48.000 I saw them do it.
00:24:50.000 But it has nothing to do with them being Christian.
00:24:52.000 Well, hold on.
00:24:52.000 So let me tell you.
00:24:53.000 In several African countries that are not Christian, and you guys can go on mission trips and see it for yourself, there would be unwanted children, and they'll just leave babies by the fire and let them die. 1.00
00:25:04.000 That's not because they're not religious, though.
00:25:05.000 Hold on a second.
00:25:05.000 I'm sorry to interrupt you.
00:25:06.000 But for them, that's normal cultural practice.
00:25:09.000 Sure.
00:25:10.000 No one taught them otherwise.
00:25:12.000 Understood.
00:25:13.000 How does that tail into religion?
00:25:16.000 Well, but it's just normal for them.
00:25:18.000 Okay.
00:25:19.000 I agree.
00:25:19.000 But then why is it that you think something's good and they don't?
00:25:22.000 What's the difference?
00:25:23.000 I told you I've been taught.
00:25:25.000 I'm an intellect.
00:25:25.000 Oh, exactly.
00:25:26.000 I've been taught by Christians.
00:25:27.000 No.
00:25:28.000 Just by other people.
00:25:29.000 Nobody in my family is religious either.
00:25:31.000 Hold on a second.
00:25:31.000 Hold on.
00:25:31.000 No, no.
00:25:31.000 You live in a remnant of a Christian country that inherited these values.
00:25:35.000 I'm not disagreeing with that.
00:25:36.000 That I don't disagree with.
00:25:37.000 Okay, no.
00:25:38.000 But what I'm saying is what you think is not Christian...
00:25:40.000 Is Western values that have trickled down through hundreds of years that you think is common sense that actually is a Christian tradition?
00:25:47.000 Sure, but is it possible that those can just be without religion?
00:25:51.000 Is it possible as a society that we can come up with kindness and peace?
00:25:54.000 Show me an example.
00:25:55.000 Well, I'm not saying it's happened.
00:25:56.000 I'm saying, is it plausible?
00:25:58.000 My belief is that you cannot have a free and civil society without a culture that That is either inherited or believes in the internal being or in a transcendent moral order.
00:26:09.000 It cannot exist.
00:26:11.000 Well, that I might agree with, too, because, again, I said I'm agnostic, not atheist.
00:26:14.000 I do believe something did it.
00:26:16.000 For sure.
00:26:16.000 No, that's good.
00:26:17.000 Again, this is less about...
00:26:19.000 You know, Christianity, Buddhism, whatever.
00:26:21.000 It's more about the idea that you have to submit that there's some truth and some appeal to goodness that we look up to.
00:26:28.000 The question is, what is that?
00:26:30.000 And we believe, and our argument is that that has been passed down through generations that originated as Christian ideals.
00:26:38.000 Love your neighbor as yourself.
00:26:39.000 Don't steal stuff just because you're bigger than them.
00:26:42.000 Have respect for universal human equality.
00:26:44.000 That's just common sense to me.
00:26:45.000 Well, it's not, though, actually.
00:26:47.000 There's a book by an agnostic by the name of Tom Holland.
00:26:50.000 Love to read it.
00:26:51.000 And it's called Dominion, where he's an agnostic, and he says, you guys in the West have no idea that all of the things you consider to be common sense is an inheritance from Christianity.
00:27:02.000 Okay.
00:27:02.000 And I encourage you to read it.
00:27:03.000 I would love that.
00:27:04.000 I had two questions.
00:27:05.000 We talk about abortion here.
00:27:06.000 We talk about pro-life and people.
00:27:09.000 But why are we not talking about birth control?
00:27:11.000 In other words, birth control is the problem, not the abortion.
00:27:14.000 Why are there men running around impregnating women with reckless abandon?
00:27:18.000 Why aren't we talking about that instead of abortion?
00:27:21.000 Why aren't we teaching men to quit impregnating women? 1.00
00:27:24.000 Well, two things.
00:27:25.000 First of all...
00:27:26.000 Oh my God, me.
00:27:27.000 It's what's happening.
00:27:27.000 Hold on a second.
00:27:28.000 We have.
00:27:29.000 It actually hasn't worked.
00:27:30.000 So why don't we talk about that, though, again, instead of abortion?
00:27:32.000 First of all...
00:27:33.000 Because abortion has become a form of birth control in this country.
00:27:35.000 Right, and it's not.
00:27:36.000 Let's be honest.
00:27:36.000 I agree.
00:27:37.000 Okay.
00:27:37.000 No, but I'm saying that's bad.
00:27:39.000 But number two, there's something missing where I would imagine here at Arizona State University you guys could get free contraceptives.
00:27:45.000 Am I wrong?
00:27:45.000 Right.
00:27:45.000 Yes?
00:27:46.000 Yeah.
00:27:46.000 Okay, so we have abundant contraceptive use, and yet we have more abortions than ever.
00:27:51.000 So maybe it's a problem of behavior, and we should tell people, save yourself until marriage. 0.62
00:27:56.000 Which is an unpopular billy.
00:27:58.000 And it's a 100% guaranteed way to avoid such a circumstance.
00:28:04.000 Absent a terrible rape or something.
00:28:05.000 Alright, that's all my questions.
00:28:06.000 Thank you.
00:28:09.000 Disagreements, yeah.
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00:29:11.000 Okay, is this on?
00:29:12.000 Alright.
00:29:12.000 I just want to start.
00:29:13.000 My name's Mila, and I self-identify as an atheist, and I will admit, I don't have the answers to everything, so I'm just here with an open mind, just trying to figure out.
00:29:24.000 Let's go.
00:29:25.000 Great mindset.
00:29:27.000 What's going on in this world?
00:29:28.000 But the first question I had for you guys was, why do you believe that the Christian religion takes priority over other religions in this country when it comes to moral matters such as abortion or immigration?
00:29:47.000 Well, first of all, we don't argue from that context.
00:29:51.000 We are using reason.
00:29:52.000 We believe our reason is informed by revelation because this was founded as a Christian country.
00:29:57.000 And it is the greatest country ever because of those ideals.
00:30:00.000 Is there any ideas that bother you?
00:30:02.000 Actually, the Christian ideals around abortion, because I personally have issues with other religions, like medical rules.
00:30:12.000 For example, I think one that I could mention might be, I believe Jehovah's Witness does not allow blood transfusions.
00:30:18.000 And I wonder why Christian beliefs should be made rules when if we made a Jehovah Witness medical belief a rule, people would be outraged. 0.99
00:30:28.000 Yeah, but we're not arguing even from a Christian standpoint.
00:30:30.000 When I sat here with the young man from Britain, I used reason and rationality.
00:30:35.000 And you agree murder should be wrong?
00:30:37.000 I would agree with that.
00:30:38.000 Okay.
00:30:38.000 But if we believe murder should be wrong, then murder should be wrong for babies in the womb.
00:30:43.000 Well, I do wonder, based on a medical standpoint, life has a lot of gray areas, right?
00:30:51.000 Like, if someone is in a vegetative state, they are technically alive, right?
00:30:55.000 Did you hear me address that earlier or not?
00:30:58.000 I did hear you, but I just wonder...
00:31:02.000 Does life take priority over quality every single time?
00:31:07.000 Yes.
00:31:07.000 If not, you're an eugenicist.
00:31:10.000 So, for example, if I told you we can kill 30 million poor Americans right now and our life will get better, is it right to kill them? 0.98
00:31:24.000 No, I don't think that would be accurate.
00:31:26.000 However, I have also heard a different hypothetical, and I would like your opinion on that one, actually.
00:31:32.000 If there was a burning building, and in that building there is one alive one-year-old child...
00:31:39.000 Yeah, I've answered this many times.
00:31:40.000 And then there's frozen embryos?
00:31:41.000 And there's frozen embryos, yeah.
00:31:43.000 I just...
00:31:44.000 Me, personally, I've always wondered...
00:31:46.000 Not wondered...
00:31:48.000 Assume that a child is a more valuable life because they have actual consciousness.
00:31:53.000 The hypothetical is only applicable if you can guarantee the human embryos would then go to the next stage of development.
00:31:59.000 But they're all human lives.
00:32:01.000 So you believe that...
00:32:02.000 They're equally human lives, yes.
00:32:03.000 They're all equally human lives?
00:32:05.000 Okay.
00:32:05.000 I want to get to the next question, though.
00:32:09.000 I just want one last question.
00:32:12.000 Charlie, I got a good one.
00:32:15.000 Last question for her, and I'll try to do two or three more, which I think is important.
00:32:20.000 Which is, should it be illegal if a couple finds out that they're having a baby girl and they want a baby boy, should it be illegal to have an abortion based on that information?
00:32:33.000 Well, how would you know that was their reasoning?
00:32:36.000 We're saying that's the reasoning.
00:32:37.000 They're opening up to it.
00:32:38.000 It's called sex-selective abortion. 0.84
00:32:39.000 It happens all the time.
00:32:41.000 No, I'm not saying I don't understand what you're saying.
00:32:45.000 I'm just saying there's many cultural reasons that something happens, and whether or not we agree with it isn't our decision.
00:32:52.000 Is child sacrifice wrong?
00:32:54.000 Is child sacrifice wrong?
00:32:55.000 Well, that's not my culture, so I would say no.
00:32:57.000 But my culture isn't the only culture.
00:32:59.000 Well, no, is child sacrifice subjectively wrong?
00:33:01.000 I would say so.
00:33:03.000 Yeah, I would agree.
00:33:04.000 So if you saw a bunch of cultures that were growing in America and they're like, land of the free, we could do it.
00:33:08.000 Conceive and kill, conceive and kill. 0.95
00:33:10.000 You're okay with this?
00:33:11.000 No, because the baby has to be born for a child sacrifice to happen.
00:33:15.000 Okay, fair, fair.
00:33:16.000 But say they are just, you know in your heart, they're only getting her pregnant so they could kill it at nine months, eight months, six months. 0.81
00:33:23.000 Well, that would be illegal because there is laws against that, but at the same time, that's not my decision to make about other people's cultures.
00:33:30.000 There's also cultures that are vegan, and they believe that killing animals is wrong.
00:33:35.000 I've got to get to the next question, but you're falling for the fallacy of that it's, I'm just going to let everyone decide.
00:33:39.000 At some point, there will be a governing moral philosophy.
00:33:41.000 There is no neutrality in morality.
00:33:43.000 It does not exist.
00:33:44.000 At some point, you need to have more morality when it comes to murder, when it comes to theft.
00:33:48.000 There is no neutral space.
00:33:50.000 You might have a neutral attitude as a human being, but society and civilization needs objective morality.
00:33:55.000 Thank you.
00:33:55.000 I want to get to a couple more questions before I wrap up.
00:33:57.000 Thank you.
00:33:57.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:33:59.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:02.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.