The Charlie Kirk Show - Arizona on Trial with Attorney General Mark Brnovich

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, the Attorney General of Arizona, Mark Bernovich.

00:00:04.000 I asked him about what's going on with the audit.

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00:00:16.000 We talk about the cartel of the colleges and what should the proper role of Attorney General be.

00:00:20.000 He's running for the U.S. Senate in Arizona.

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00:03:11.000 Hey, everybody.

00:03:12.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk.

00:03:14.000 With us today is the Attorney General of the great state of Arizona.

00:03:17.000 Mark Bernovich, welcome.

00:03:18.000 Thanks, Charlie, for having me on.

00:03:20.000 So I can't wait to get into what I call the cartel of the colleges because you have some things that you really want to dive into that your office has been working on about kind of corruption in higher education.

00:03:31.000 Those are my words.

00:03:31.000 You can be more precise because you diplomatic.

00:03:35.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:03:36.000 But I don't have to be.

00:03:38.000 And I also want to kind of talk about some of the new things your office has released in regards to voter registration material and some other things regarding the Arizona audit and the election.

00:03:48.000 But first, I just want you to introduce yourself to our audience.

00:03:50.000 I think that would be really helpful.

00:03:51.000 Tell us your story, how you became Attorney General of Arizona.

00:03:55.000 And also, I want to say that Attorney General Bernovich is running for U.S. Senate, which is a very important Senate race.

00:04:00.000 So please introduce yourself.

00:04:01.000 Well, thank you, Charlie.

00:04:02.000 I always tell folks that if you want to know about me, you probably should know about my background in my history.

00:04:08.000 And so I'm a first generation American.

00:04:10.000 My family fled communism.

00:04:12.000 And when your family has not just studied history, but lived it, you have this great appreciation for how unique freedom is.

00:04:20.000 And, you know, we know that folks like Ronald Reagan used to talk about, you know, freedom is never one more than one generation away from extinction.

00:04:27.000 And, you know, my family's live that.

00:04:28.000 And that's why I'm so passionate about the Constitution and, you know, our liberties.

00:04:33.000 And so much of my career has been spent as I was raised that we have to protect freedom and we have an obligation to give back because this is the greatest country in the world.

00:04:41.000 So, you know, I'm a public school kid.

00:04:43.000 I still live in the same neighborhood.

00:04:45.000 I grew up here in Arizona.

00:04:47.000 I was a gang prosecutor at a law school.

00:04:49.000 In fact, I met my wife there and she's now actually on the federal bench. 0.73

00:04:52.000 So, you know, anybody knows anything about federal judges, worked at the AG's office.

00:04:57.000 I've been a federal prosecutor, served our country in the Army Reserve.

00:05:01.000 I worked at a think tank called the Goldwater Institute where I wrote a lot and wrote briefs on the importance of property rights and individual liberty.

00:05:08.000 And so I had never thought I was going to ever run for any office.

00:05:12.000 And I was brought up with this real strong sense of that when you're the government, when you can take away people's livelihoods, their life, liberty, property, you have to have the most highly qualified, but also the most ethical people in those office and people that understand how much power you have when you're the government.

00:05:27.000 And I didn't like what was going on in the AG's office.

00:05:30.000 You know, I decided to run for attorney general, kind of a long shot.

00:05:33.000 People made fun of the fact that, you know, folks can't spell my name or I never run for office.

00:05:37.000 And, you know, but I knew what I believed in.

00:05:39.000 I was principled.

00:05:40.000 I never had to have anyone in my life, you know, tell me what to think or give me a sheet of paper to say, this is what the Constitution says, or this is what you need to believe.

00:05:47.000 And so I said, you know what?

00:05:49.000 I've got a great life living in the greatest country.

00:05:51.000 I ran and for good or bad, I won.

00:05:55.000 I won re-election in 2018, even though folks like Tom Steyers spent 7 million bucks more against me than anyone and got more votes than Sinnamore McSally.

00:06:03.000 And, you know, now I'm the Attorney General.

00:06:05.000 I've been involved in a lot of major fights, major Supreme Court cases, and just keep thinking I've been blessed with so much.

00:06:12.000 I just keep trying to give back to the state I love.

00:06:15.000 And you're actually challenging the Biden regime on a variety of different things right now.

00:06:20.000 Indeed, I think that there's probably a running joke if the Texas AG were here, he'd probably be debating me over who's filed more lawsuits against the federal government.

00:06:28.000 He has more lawyers than you do.

00:06:30.000 That's right.

00:06:30.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:06:31.000 I always tell the legislature, you give me the resources and I will do everything I can to protect the Constitution and push back.

00:06:38.000 But, you know, whether it was when President Obama was in office, you know, we had filed a bunch of lawsuits over environmental regulations, EPA job, the waterways of the U.S.

00:06:48.000 And with President Biden, I mean, I know this and you know this, sure all your listeners know this, is that there is this radical attempt to centralize as much power as quickly as possible in D.C.

00:07:00.000 And I don't know if it's President Biden or whoever's speaking as your piece, but literally it's they're socializing the economy, they're nationalizing the elections, and really they've decriminalized our border.

00:07:11.000 And as a result of that, people are going to die.

00:07:13.000 And I mean, I don't say this lightly.

00:07:14.000 Look, I was a prosecutor.

00:07:15.000 I was a gang prosecutor, federal prosecutor, but we know that there's the amount of fentanyl right now coming into this country is record amounts.

00:07:23.000 We know that in places like Pima County, the second most populous county in Arizona, that fentanyl, opioid deaths are now the number one cause of death for people, for teenagers.

00:07:34.000 This is crazy.

00:07:35.000 The cartels have seized control of the border.

00:07:37.000 There are literally more than 2 million people across the border illegally that we know of.

00:07:41.000 It's like the entire state of Nebraska.

00:07:43.000 In one year, it's overwhelming not only our social services, but by empowering the cartels, it's going to lead to more violence, Charlie.

00:07:51.000 It's going to lead to more problems in our cities.

00:07:54.000 It's going to lead to overdoses.

00:07:55.000 People's nieces, nephews, sons, and daughters are going to die because of President Biden and his enablers like Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and Mark Kelly.

00:08:03.000 And I don't say that lightly.

00:08:05.000 Like I said, I was a gang prosecutor, and we've seen the violence.

00:08:07.000 We've seen actually the prices of fentanyl and heroin now are falling.

00:08:10.000 And that's because there's more supply coming into this country.

00:08:13.000 So, as a result of what they're doing, people are going to die.

00:08:16.000 So, there's a lot of fights.

00:08:17.000 We've had those border fights.

00:08:18.000 We have fights, obviously, against the COVID bill that basically restricts the ability of states to cut taxes.

00:08:25.000 So, there is just so much going on right now on multiple fronts with the Biden administration.

00:08:29.000 And it's all hands on deck right now.

00:08:31.000 I mean, because there's just literally this massive attempt to centralize power in Washington, DC.

00:08:36.000 And you've been one of the few attorney generals that I believe have stood up against the vaccine mandate, and you did on the county level.

00:08:44.000 Is that right?

00:08:45.000 We've done it actually on multiple levels.

00:08:46.000 And once again, this is what's happening with the far left and this concentration of power.

00:08:53.000 But there's also this notion that somehow, if you disagree with anyone when it comes to quote-unquote the science, somehow, you know, you're the problem.

00:09:02.000 And the reality is, is that we have a lawsuit right now, another one against the Biden administration.

00:09:07.000 We believe that the federal vaccine mandates are unconstitutional.

00:09:10.000 Clearly, you know, the Constitution and all of its amendments is less than 7,500 words.

00:09:15.000 Nowhere, nowhere in there does the president, one person, have the power to tell you, me, or anyone else they have to inject something in their body.

00:09:23.000 Through OSHA.

00:09:24.000 Oh, through anything.

00:09:26.000 I mean, and don't worry, there's other lawsuits coming on this front.

00:09:29.000 But the first one, there is no authority.

00:09:31.000 You talk about the 10th Amendment.

00:09:33.000 You talk about these traditional anti-commandeering principles.

00:09:36.000 The framers understood.

00:09:37.000 The framers understood.

00:09:39.000 The states were a check on the federal government.

00:09:41.000 The federal government didn't create the states.

00:09:43.000 The states created the federal government.

00:09:45.000 And so Madison, you read, you know, Federalist 42, you know, you read the Federalist Papers.

00:09:49.000 They clearly intended and wanted the states to do exactly what we're doing by filing these lawsuits.

00:09:55.000 Furthermore, you have cities, counties that are also now trying to impose vaccine mandates, which we do not believe they have the authority to do.

00:10:03.000 And I think that it's really, really problematic that nowadays, you know, people talk about science, they talk about debates.

00:10:09.000 I was down in Tucson a week or so ago, and I don't use notes as we talk about, I know what I believe.

00:10:15.000 I spoke for about an hour, and someone was asking about the vaccines, and I was explaining why I thought it was unconstitutional.

00:10:21.000 And I also explained why some people may be hesitant.

00:10:24.000 And I'm not a doctor, not a scientist, but quite frankly, Kamala Harris up the run-up to the election said she wouldn't get the vaccine if President Trump told her to do it.

00:10:34.000 We were told no mass, then we're told mass.

00:10:36.000 We're told that the vaccine is 90% effective.

00:10:38.000 Then we're told it's 40% effective.

00:10:40.000 You know, unlike, let's say, the polio vaccine, where if people get it, they don't spread it.

00:10:45.000 They don't, you know, can get it.

00:10:46.000 That's why polio has essentially been eradicated.

00:10:48.000 But we're now told every three months that, oh, there's a new variant.

00:10:51.000 There's this, this, you need boosters.

00:10:53.000 I'm not telling what people, what they should or shouldn't do, but I just know from a perspective of someone that believes very passionately in liberty and the Constitution, that no government, no government anywhere should tell you to inject something in your body that literally from week to week, what it does or doesn't do changes.

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00:12:16.000 Not that I'm on a roller tribe.

00:12:17.000 Let me just, I'm getting used to the filibuster thing, I guess.

00:12:20.000 No, that's great.

00:12:20.000 No, no, but you'll fit right in.

00:12:22.000 No, I don't know about that.

00:12:23.000 You know, I'm a contrarian, but I will say that think about this.

00:12:27.000 That's right.

00:12:27.000 You won't fit right in.

00:12:28.000 That's a compliment.

00:12:29.000 I'm there to share.

00:12:29.000 I'm there to not to shake things up.

00:12:31.000 No, there's aspirin.

00:12:33.000 Think about this, aspirin.

00:12:34.000 One of my friends, someone I know, had a heart attack, and the doctor said taking aspirin saved his life.

00:12:39.000 And he takes aspirin every day now.

00:12:40.000 But we all know that aspirin's a wonder drug.

00:12:43.000 This is not what they call it, but it can help with heart attacks.

00:12:45.000 It helps with arthritis, strokes, all the stuff.

00:12:47.000 But everyone also knows that there's side effects with aspirin, right?

00:12:50.000 You can get a bleeding ulcer.

00:12:51.000 You take too much of it.

00:12:52.000 You can literally kill yourself.

00:12:54.000 And so I'm just saying, I'm not a scientist or a doctor, but every single drug, even the wonder drug, has side effects.

00:13:01.000 So why aren't people being told that these are the possible negative consequences?

00:13:05.000 And then people can make an individual decision.

00:13:08.000 And so there really is this herd mentality with a lot of stuff, whether it's on our walk culture, whether it's the stuff you're doing on the campuses and fighting back against this liberal indoctrination.

00:13:18.000 And quite frankly, now it's with this vaccine.

00:13:20.000 And I think, I think this is all part of the left's attempt to change our mindset from this notion of that our rights don't come from government because they don't, but they're trying to change this mindset so people think that their whole health safety is all dependent on Uncle Joe, not Uncle Joe Stalin, but Uncle Joe Biden now.

00:13:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:13:39.000 And so they want that, everyone to become dependent essentially on the government to tell them what's right, what's wrong, what's healthy, what's not healthy.

00:13:46.000 And so that to me is so dangerous.

00:13:48.000 And it's such an important point.

00:13:49.000 So thank you for fighting on that.

00:13:51.000 And not every attorney general has across the country that are Republicans.

00:13:55.000 And so it's really important.

00:13:58.000 And I know a lot of people that are facing termination from their job, even though they've had COVID and they've had a strange reaction to a vaccine before.

00:14:07.000 It happens.

00:14:08.000 It's not common, but it happens.

00:14:11.000 And they're like, why do I have to take this?

00:14:12.000 And they say, because we tell you. 0.93

00:14:14.000 That's not American.

00:14:15.000 And we shouldn't put up with it.

00:14:16.000 It's, it's, and once again, if you follow the science, that it, what they say has not only changed, but it's inconsistent with objective data and facts.

00:14:27.000 And we know even with like young kids, like I have two daughters in college, that if you look at the data, look at the stats.

00:14:34.000 I mean, frankly, I mean, if you're under 18, you're more likely to die in a car accident or drowning than you are from anything related to COVID.

00:14:41.000 I mean, I think that's what the data shows, but it's hard because anything that's contrary.

00:14:46.000 It's anything that's contrary to this dominant narrative that's coming out of CNN or the Biden administration.

00:14:51.000 You get suppressed.

00:14:52.000 And once again, that's anti-American as well.

00:14:55.000 And whether you're a Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative, it should scare you when anyone says, okay, the government's going to tell you what to think and why to think it.

00:15:05.000 I mean, there was a time in this country where the far left would be like, oh my gosh, this is terrible.

00:15:09.000 You know, don't trust authority, right?

00:15:11.000 Isn't what the left is?

00:15:12.000 Or fight the men.

00:15:12.000 That's right.

00:15:13.000 Yeah.

00:15:13.000 Where's the ACLU?

00:15:14.000 My goodness, where are they?

00:15:15.000 I think it just exposes.

00:15:16.000 They become the man.

00:15:18.000 It exposes the utter hypocrisy of the left and the intellectual bankruptcy and inconsistency and what they're doing.

00:15:24.000 You know, the ACLU is probably suing you all the time over all sorts of stuff.

00:15:27.000 And not you, your office.

00:15:28.000 Yeah.

00:15:29.000 So I want to ask you.

00:15:31.000 And so one thing I respect about you, you're a real person, which I respect a lot because everyone in this business seems to not be.

00:15:38.000 But you're also not like Letitia James, where you're trying to abuse power. 1.00

00:15:43.000 And so I know you have to be careful the way you talk about these things.

00:15:46.000 I just want to say that for our audience.

00:15:48.000 But I still I want to ask about it because it is a big issue.

00:15:51.000 So you sent these two letters out regarding the voter registration list maintenance and the notice of submission to review findings and a request or written response to the Maricopa board.

00:16:02.000 Tell us about these two letters as like we still try to kind of figure out what happened post-2020.

00:16:09.000 I respect the fact that you mentioned that New York. 0.83

00:16:13.000 And I always say to folks that, look, I'm not like the clowns in New York.

00:16:17.000 I'm not going to reach a conclusion and then try to find facts or conjecture to support it.

00:16:22.000 Which is total abuse.

00:16:24.000 Because at the end of the day, and this goes back to what we were just talking about, when you're the government, when you're a prosecutor, literally there's statutes and ethics that you have to abide by.

00:16:33.000 And unfortunately, sometimes the courts and they take a different view when you have liberal or democratic AGs or prosecutors doing something versus when we do it.

00:16:43.000 And we can maybe talk about that in a second.

00:16:45.000 But I do want to say so that any prosecutor worth their salt knows, not only because of the ethical and legal limits, you have to be careful what you say because if you say too much in the front end, then either a judge or even a defense attorney in front of a jury is going to say, aha, he did this or she did this.

00:17:02.000 And they did this case or charge this case this way because they had said this or they're biased or they're prejudiced or somehow you get in a position where someone's going to try to have you recused or say that there's a conflict.

00:17:12.000 So you have to be really, really careful what you say.

00:17:14.000 So let me just say from the very beginning, our office supported the right to send the Senate to do the audit.

00:17:20.000 We literally filed paperwork.

00:17:22.000 We filed formal documents in court saying they had the right to do the audit.

00:17:26.000 And the court agreed with us.

00:17:28.000 And when the county was not turning over information, you may recall that we literally sent the county formal notification that if they did not turn over all the documents requested by the Senate, they would lose $700 million of state funding.

00:17:43.000 So what the Senate is doing with the, how they did the audit, what they're doing with the audit, what they did with their settlement with the county, that's their business.

00:17:50.000 Because I believe, once again, separation of powers and there's only certain things, you know, the attorney general prosecutor can do.

00:17:56.000 So we've supported the Senate rights to do the audit and we've said all along when they get it, we will get the report, the information, they will submit something to us and then we'll review it and we'll make a determination how to proceed.

00:18:07.000 So when the audit was submitted to us, we move forward.

00:18:11.000 We have an investigation going on right now.

00:18:13.000 I am very limited what I can say because. 0.99

00:18:15.000 I just want to say, I wouldn't put you on the spot because that would be so dumb.

00:18:19.000 If you have an ongoing investigation, people need to really understand what that means. 0.88

00:18:24.000 And that's a big deal.

00:18:25.000 What I'd respect, Charlie, you know, you refer to these letters.

00:18:27.000 We have sent several letters out.

00:18:28.000 Those letters, those documents are available on our website, but we're limited.

00:18:32.000 We don't want, we want to do this the right way.

00:18:34.000 When you're the government, your prosecutors get one chance normally to get it right.

00:18:38.000 And sometimes, you know, it means that you have to go through a process of going through all the facts, evidence, what is admissible, what's not admissible, whether we have jurisdiction, whether you don't have jurisdiction, moving forward with what is more of a policy matter versus maybe what's more of a legal matter.

00:18:55.000 And so I would just ask people to be patient, just like, you know, the Senate had a right to do its job.

00:19:01.000 I hope that folks respect the right of the prosecutor's office or the attorney general's office to go through the facts, go through the information that was provided and do the right thing.

00:19:11.000 And that's ultimately, you know, my entire career is based on doing the right thing, never been afraid to take on tough fights.

00:19:17.000 I mean, I literally began my career politically, at least, taking on, you know, some of my own party.

00:19:23.000 I've prosecuted gang cases.

00:19:25.000 I've been involved in death penalty cases, literally life and death matters.

00:19:28.000 I've sued the federal government, you know, more than any other AG probably.

00:19:33.000 I've literally argued at the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:19:36.000 I've successfully prosecuted people in my own political party.

00:19:40.000 So, you know, people say what they want about me, but the one thing they can never say is I don't like to fight because I am a fighter and I will continue to fight and do the right thing.

00:19:51.000 I just want to read part of the letter.

00:19:52.000 There's a request for information of all the data files and log spreadsheets provided by the U.S. Postal Service or its designee related to the Arizona voter registration file, all the list and reported related to a certain type of code.

00:20:04.000 A lot of information being requested, and you're being prudent, which is important and it's lacking in today's time.

00:20:11.000 We'll post these on charliekirk.com because we get thousands of emails about Arizona.

00:20:17.000 We get a lot of them to at our offices.

00:20:19.000 Yeah, I can imagine.

00:20:19.000 No, and it frustrates it.

00:20:20.000 It's frustrating because I know and I understand that this is a big issue.

00:20:26.000 And I understand people are frustrated.

00:20:27.000 But, you know, once again, I'm an old school conservative that I believe in the process.

00:20:34.000 And I believe that when you're the government, you have to do things the right way.

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00:22:20.000 Okay, so now I want to get into where you can talk a little bit more about this.

00:22:25.000 Is that right?

00:22:26.000 Well, yes, and no.

00:22:27.000 I mean, we should preface this with well.

00:22:30.000 Let me preface it from my personal perspective.

00:22:32.000 I think colleges are ripping people off.

00:22:33.000 Yes.

00:22:34.000 I think it's become a legalized scam for a lot of young people.

00:22:39.000 Yes.

00:22:39.000 And you and I kind of hit it off when you started to say, well, Charlie, you don't understand what ASU has been doing.

00:22:46.000 And so this is kind of like the third rail in our office here because we have so many people that lent ASU and they have some sort of loyalty to it.

00:22:52.000 You want to ASU did it.

00:22:53.000 I did, did.

00:22:54.000 I was born a sun devil.

00:22:55.000 I mean, I love it. 1.00

00:22:56.000 Well, there you go.

00:22:57.000 And so for me, I just think they're ripping people off.

00:23:00.000 Families are going into debt and it's not right.

00:23:02.000 The floor is yours.

00:23:03.000 Walk us through what you're doing from the Attorney General's office with this issue.

00:23:06.000 And let me just preface this by saying that, and the difficulty is: look, I literally, the university and their law firm Perkins Cooey, has filed a more than 200-page bar complaint against me.

00:23:17.000 And people don't know that.

00:23:18.000 And even my own lawyer has told me not to talk about it.

00:23:21.000 I've been told not to talk about the subject.

00:23:23.000 And that's why just this past week, the state Supreme Court accepted one of our cases for state Supreme Court on one of our lawsuits against the University Sweetheart real estate deals.

00:23:35.000 They accepted that case.

00:23:36.000 And so then you get folks from ASU criticizing us saying stuff, but I'm not allowed to say anything because, you know, I can't, I'm a lawyer, so they file bar complaints every time I say anything.

00:23:46.000 Can I say something about that, though, which is that this is exactly what they do.

00:23:50.000 Anyone up the down the conservative ladder, and I know you have to be careful commenting on this for obvious reasons, but they go through the politics of personal destruction.

00:23:50.000 Yeah.

00:23:57.000 Yeah.

00:23:57.000 Like you start to investigate something we don't like, we're going to use Perkins CUI or whatever, COI, which is Hillary Clinton's like favorite law firm, by the way, alongside, you know, the other one she used to use all the money at the dossier, but Facebook uses Perkins, you know, Goldman Sachs does all of them to try to go after you to try to suppress you.

00:24:15.000 And that means you're doing something significant.

00:24:17.000 Well, I'm going to tell the folks from the university and from Perkins Cooey, that means they're going to have to listen to this entire podcast.

00:24:22.000 Oh, they're going to be able to do that.

00:24:23.000 They're going to have to listen to this because they're going to, this is what happens.

00:24:25.000 They listen to me whenever I talk about them.

00:24:26.000 And then all of a sudden there'll be some like thing like, Brudovich said this on, you know, this show or whatever.

00:24:30.000 So I have not actually talked about this for a long time.

00:24:33.000 So thank you for letting me talk about this because I feel like it's been suppressed.

00:24:37.000 And so this, our lawsuit actually began, or my fight with the universities began.

00:24:42.000 And I didn't want, I mean, you've done amazing job, amazing work exposing the hypocrisy and the left-wing biased universities.

00:24:49.000 I did not, I know, folks like you were doing it.

00:24:51.000 I did not want to become this anti-whatever higher education person.

00:24:56.000 But what happened was we were involved in litigation.

00:24:59.000 This all started.

00:25:00.000 The universities here in Arizona were giving in-state tuition for people that didn't have legal status.

00:25:06.000 So we literally in 2017 went to the Court of Appeals, we won 3-0 at the Court of Appeals because voters in 2006 in Arizona had approved a ballot measure that said, if you do not have legal status, you cannot get in-state tuition, period.

00:25:22.000 70% of the people voted in favor of that in Arizona.

00:25:24.000 So this was not like any sort of 50-50 issue.

00:25:28.000 After we won that case, the Court of Appeals, the regions voted to continue to allow folks that didn't have legal status here to get in-state tuition.

00:25:36.000 So we took it up to the state Supreme Court and we won 7-0.

00:25:39.000 But during the course of that litigation, I realized, I came to realize that the universities in this, I'll call it the higher education establishment, there's this certain elitism where they think they know everything.

00:25:51.000 And if you file a lawsuit, and I've tried to explain this to them, I'm not anti-ASU and I'm not anti-immigrant.

00:25:57.000 I'm a first generation myself.

00:25:58.000 But what I am is anti-crony capitalism.

00:26:02.000 And we started looking at, if you look at the price of college tuition, and you know this, it's gone straight up like a rocket.

00:26:09.000 In fact, there was an article just a couple of years ago from Forbes.

00:26:12.000 If you look at the 50 states in our country, ASU was ranked number one in something.

00:26:16.000 It was for tuition increases of the 50 states or public universities.

00:26:21.000 And ironically, I mentioned this and the newspaper, which once again, you get no opposition here.

00:26:27.000 There's two things the mainstream media here won't talk about, local media, immigration and the consequences and anything that's critical of Michael Crowe and ASU, right?

00:26:36.000 So they defend those two things.

00:26:38.000 So I literally said things that were proven facts and then they do this fact check and they have the universities explaining like, well, no, no, it may be technically that we went from ASU went from, you know, and when I graduated in the 1980s, we were in like the bottom 10% for public university costs.

00:26:53.000 And now we're in the essentially the top quarter.

00:26:56.000 And they basically said the data and stuff are like, well, no, no, it's wrong because that's looking at all the state universities in the state, not the research universities.

00:27:05.000 And ASU and U of NAU are research universities.

00:27:07.000 So you have to compare them against other research universities, which of course is so bogus because the whole point is, is our university system, and I came to realize this, is they've suppressed any sort of competition.

00:27:19.000 And so whether it's, I believe, higher education vouchers or whether it's allowing community colleges to offer four-year degrees, we've supported that.

00:27:26.000 And it's the university and that establishment that hasn't.

00:27:28.000 They want no competition.

00:27:30.000 So unlike places, let's say like the University of Wisconsin system, where you may have like 13, you know, colleges in that system, only two are research universities.

00:27:38.000 So there's options.

00:27:39.000 There's options for people to want to go to school.

00:27:41.000 You know, not everyone wants to go to university, you know, a research university.

00:27:45.000 You have to have options.

00:27:46.000 And so anyway, we started looking at that and you realize that there's one point, what, four or five trillion dollars of student debt now.

00:27:55.000 One out of, you know, 40 million Americans have some sort of student debt.

00:27:59.000 And as a result of that, this is the next coming economic wave.

00:28:03.000 We talk about the bank bailouts and everything else.

00:28:05.000 They're teeing this up.

00:28:06.000 There's folks that are younger that aren't having kids, aren't investing in property or starting a business.

00:28:11.000 It's bad for everybody.

00:28:12.000 It's bad for everyone.

00:28:13.000 And then, of course, Charlie, you know, then the left comes around and says, oh my gosh, the government's going to get rid of all this for BS because, you know, my AC was out last week or week four.

00:28:25.000 My HVAC guy is like, who's paying off?

00:28:28.000 You know, I had to pay for my school.

00:28:29.000 Who's going to pay that off?

00:28:30.000 And it's so fundamentally unfair.

00:28:32.000 And instead of asking or talking about debt forgiveness, why aren't we, why aren't every one of us talking about why tuition has gone straight up like a rocket?

00:28:41.000 And here in Arizona, we know that it's gone up more than 300% in the last 15 years.

00:28:47.000 300%.

00:28:49.000 Yeah, 325 to 378, depending on which university here.

00:28:53.000 And I know, and I've told the story before, but when I went to ASU, I graduated in the late 80s.

00:28:58.000 It was 625 a semester.

00:29:00.000 So I worked a part-time job, worked at a part-time job.

00:29:04.000 I worked a summer job.

00:29:06.000 And when I graduated, I had zero debt.

00:29:09.000 And I think to myself, they said, I'm a public school kid, first generation.

00:29:12.000 If I had been jacked up with $60,000, $80,000 in debt, I would have never gone to law school.

00:29:17.000 I couldn't have afforded it.

00:29:18.000 And it was demoralizing too.

00:29:19.000 You feel like you're like...

00:29:20.000 You're crushing that?

00:29:21.000 I'd be paying it off right now.

00:29:22.000 I mean, it's crazy.

00:29:24.000 And so, of course, there's people out there that may think, well, we wish Bertovich hadn't gone to law school, but the point is, is that it's- They work for ASU now.

00:29:32.000 Oh, it is such a racket.

00:29:34.000 And then you and I could talk about this for days. 1.00

00:29:38.000 And all the crap the university spent money on is so ridiculous. 0.97

00:29:44.000 And so you have not only this crushing amount of tuition going through the roof, but I'm going to, can I, sorry, I did bring, this is a prosecutor. 0.99

00:29:51.000 I'm going to give you this, this one quote.

00:29:53.000 I've, I've used this.

00:29:55.000 I've talked about this before.

00:29:56.000 Dr. ASU, you can have as much time as you want.

00:29:58.000 Oh, well, this might have to be a two or three parter.

00:30:01.000 But so I'm going to, for the folks out there listening, I hate to read, but I'm going to tell you this.

00:30:04.000 So this was from a president.

00:30:06.000 I'm going to, you guys tell me which president said this.

00:30:08.000 We are excited to be taking part in downtown Los Angeles resurgence.

00:30:12.000 Not only does the building, they bought a more than 100,000 square foot building.

00:30:16.000 Not only does the building illuminate the city's rich history dating back more than a century.

00:30:21.000 We look forward to our presence there to play an important role in adding to the downtime, downtown's intellectual, culture, economic vibrancy.

00:30:28.000 We take seriously our responsibility to the enhancement of the community.

00:30:32.000 We look at participating in critical issues facing the nation's second largest city.

00:30:36.000 Do you know which president said that after buying 100,000 square foot?

00:30:38.000 This is Los Angeles.

00:30:39.000 This is Los Angeles.

00:30:40.000 Couldn't be crow.

00:30:41.000 Indeed.

00:30:42.000 Ding, What is he doing buying property in LA?

00:30:45.000 What's he doing buying a $30 million building in downtown in DC?

00:30:48.000 30 million.

00:30:49.000 Yeah, they have, there's ASU as a building in D.C. now.

00:30:52.000 So, I mean, these are like nonprofit hedge funds.

00:30:56.000 This is not that, that's exactly what's going on.

00:30:59.000 And if you read, like, I don't know where to start and where to end on this, but you can, if you read the Auditor General's report from 2019, the Auditor General determined that there was all sorts of real estate transactions that were suspect.

00:31:14.000 There wasn't public records maintained.

00:31:15.000 And what happens is, is they do these real estate transactions and then they use the foundations to his wife sitting on some board or something.

00:31:24.000 Well, there was a story that, oh man, I'm telling you, they're going to come unglued.

00:31:29.000 But I'm saying, no, people can Google it.

00:31:32.000 And at one point, his wife was the highest paid employee of the foundation.

00:31:38.000 I don't think that's still the case because now that once the stuff's exposed.

00:31:42.000 Nothing there, though.

00:31:42.000 They just move on.

00:31:44.000 But the problem is, so you have these sweetheart real estate deals.

00:31:48.000 And when we filed our lawsuit over tuition, and this does matter, this is important for a lot of reasons.

00:31:52.000 We filed our lawsuit because Article 11 in our state constitution says tuition is supposed to be nearly as free as possible.

00:32:00.000 So that's what the Constitution says.

00:32:02.000 I believe in the Constitution.

00:32:03.000 We filed a lawsuit.

00:32:04.000 So right after we won the lawsuit on in-state, where they were giving in-state tuition for people that didn't have legal status, we had the second lawsuit about overall tuition and how it's gone up like a rocket.

00:32:15.000 We went from that bottom 10 into the top quarter in tuition.

00:32:18.000 And so the universities opposed us, not on any sort of constitutional grounds or any, it was on procedural grounds.

00:32:25.000 They said the Attorney General does not have the ability to file a lawsuit in civil court without the express approval of legislature, the governor.

00:32:33.000 So we object to that.

00:32:34.000 We said, no, no, no.

00:32:35.000 If I can't enforce the Constitution in state court, who can?

00:32:38.000 So we went all the way to the state Supreme Court.

00:32:42.000 The governor, treasurer, Secretary of Education, Secretary of State, every single one of them filed briefs opposing my ability to sue the universities.

00:32:52.000 And so the Supreme Court said there was some old case from 60 years ago called McFait, and that case said I couldn't initiate lawsuits in civil court without the explicit authority.

00:33:04.000 So the universities wanted a technicality on that.

00:33:08.000 And it's unfortunate because, once again, if I can't defend the taxpayers of the Constitution and State Court, who can?

00:33:14.000 Now, under state law, I do have the ability to file lawsuits in federal court.

00:33:18.000 And that's one of the reasons why I've been very active.

00:33:20.000 You aren't resting up on that.

00:33:22.000 No, no.

00:33:22.000 And so we have the second lawsuit, literally, that the court announced.

00:33:26.000 Our second lawsuit is about the sweetheart real estate deals.

00:33:28.000 So one of the other big deals is that the universities, you know, they essentially run out their nonprofit status.

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00:35:09.000 So as you, there's these huge, massive real estate deals that are going on, commercial developments, you know, senior living centers.

00:35:17.000 In fact, I brought you this day.

00:35:18.000 Excuse me, I can't even believe this.

00:35:19.000 And I just want to reinforce this for everyone listening right now.

00:35:22.000 And this is not to be, again, anti-sun devil.

00:35:26.000 okay, I got enough ASU graduates here where I'm using this to our national audience as an example.

00:35:31.000 This is happening in a lot of different states.

00:35:33.000 I think this is one of the most egregious ones I've ever seen.

00:35:35.000 But while you're going into debt, maybe you're working jobs to go through school.

00:35:39.000 What is ASU doing?

00:35:40.000 They're building senior living centers.

00:35:42.000 Yeah, literally.

00:35:42.000 There was a full page ad, Colorad in our local newspaper.

00:35:46.000 And then, of course, they're sending out these mailers where they're literally, they've built a senior living center, like million dollar condos on campus.

00:35:53.000 And they're basically inviting people to come to lunch, to buy these condos and enjoy luxury living and high-rise condominiums in Tempe.

00:36:02.000 And you look at this, I mean, I showed you this this morning, Charlie.

00:36:04.000 It's like, what does this have to do with education?

00:36:07.000 And, you know, when you talk about how much debt students are going into, and I guarantee you this is happening in other universities, there's a New America Foundation where the university spent a million bucks to get President Crow a seat on the board so he can rub elbows with, you know, the left, the left folks, you know, the CNN folks back east and stuff.

00:36:25.000 And so there is this game being played and no one is holding them accountable.

00:36:32.000 And when we tried to hold them accountable, it, you know, they've they, everyone fought us.

00:36:36.000 Everyone, the establishment and everything else, they fought us, other elected officials, Republican and Democrat.

00:36:42.000 So we have what I call the third, the trilogy.

00:36:45.000 Hopefully it's like Star Wars and this works out for the good guys.

00:36:47.000 But they, the, uh, the third one is about these sweetheart real estate deals where they have this hotel deal in downtown.

00:36:54.000 They're building an Omni or something.

00:36:55.000 Yeah, they're building a down luxury hotel, Omni Hotel, and they literally essentially, like the real estate was going for about $85, $87 a square foot somewhere in that ballpark.

00:37:05.000 But literally, you know, two blocks away, there's another hotel chain that's building something that was more than $200 a square foot.

00:37:13.000 So what's happening is because they can essentially rent out or lease or sell their nonprofit status as an education entity, that ends up allowing them to develop these properties for non-education purposes.

00:37:25.000 And quite frankly, the legislature, and they should be having hearings on this, but our legislature is doing nothing.

00:37:32.000 And I'm just, I'm the AG.

00:37:33.000 There's only certain tools I got in my toolbox.

00:37:35.000 Let's talk about why, though.

00:37:36.000 And this is important to every state across the country.

00:37:38.000 You're listening in North Dakota.

00:37:40.000 You're listening in Georgia, higher education, especially the state schools.

00:37:44.000 Yeah.

00:37:45.000 Like University of Georgia, UT Austin, you know, University of Colorado.

00:37:49.000 There's kind of a third rail element to this, isn't there?

00:37:52.000 Where everyone wants to preserve it and protect it.

00:37:54.000 No one wants to question it, right?

00:37:56.000 Absolutely.

00:37:57.000 And so, you know, from folks, you know, from folks, the conservative side, folks on the right, we all know what a den of indoctrination the universities have become, right?

00:38:06.000 I mean, you know, you should pay for an education, but indoctrination is free, right?

00:38:10.000 You just get that on CNN, right?

00:38:11.000 I mean, but, but that's what, so we know that's what's become. 0.98

00:38:14.000 And so you have the state taxpayer subsidizing this crap, if I can use that word here. 0.98

00:38:19.000 And that's what it is. 0.98

00:38:20.000 And so what's happening all across the country is that there's like this arms race where, so if ASU raises their tuition, you know, University of Wisconsin, North Carolina are like, well, we're ranked higher.

00:38:29.000 So we got to raise our tuition.

00:38:31.000 And then there's like this escalating arms race.

00:38:33.000 And that's why it keeps going up.

00:38:35.000 And what this is a very important point.

00:38:37.000 And I think this is going to be the next, if we can get past this case in the Supreme Court, I'm going to, this is our next lawsuit all over the country.

00:38:44.000 In places like Arizona now, you have out of state students now, more and more becoming a bigger, bigger size of the population.

00:38:51.000 Chicago.

00:38:52.000 So you have this huge population now, but it's not only happening here in Arizona, other states.

00:38:55.000 You're seeing the same thing.

00:38:56.000 So what's happening is the universities now have this racket where it's like, well, instead of you going to your state school where it'd be cheaper because the costs have gone up so much, people now, you know, in Georgia, you're going there from Arizona because you can get Georgia school and then Georgia can charge you more because it's out of state.

00:39:10.000 And then these other states.

00:39:12.000 And no one is asking why overall, whether you're in state or out of state, while tuition has gone straight up like a rocket at state schools.

00:39:18.000 It's one thing if you're at a private school or, you know, whatever they can charge what they want, what the market allows them to charge.

00:39:26.000 But because between the subsidies and people thinking that somehow Uncle Joe is going to pay off their student debts to this unaccountability, you have this dramatic increase in prices where there's this arms race where everyone keeps raising it and raising it.

00:39:41.000 And the university presence, like people like Michael Crowe, I mean, his compensation package is more than a million dollars a year.

00:39:47.000 I mean, there's what he gets paid officially, and then there's what he gets paid from the foundation.

00:39:52.000 And then he gets paid from the foundation.

00:39:54.000 And so the universities here, other places, we know when they, when they fire, you know, the coach, well, they're not going to fire Nick Saban at Alabama, but you know, when they fire, you know, the coach, when Lane Kiffing gets fired, it goes back to be the offensive.

00:40:07.000 Right.

00:40:07.000 And then he's going to end up like, you know, they're going to end up paying him millions of dollars for coaching.

00:40:11.000 That's happened here in Arizona.

00:40:12.000 Todd Graham got like $12 million when he got fired and they brought in Herm Edwards.

00:40:16.000 And so they throw around all this money that no one really knows about or no one cares about because there's no accountability.

00:40:22.000 There's no one out there saying, wait a minute, why are you doing these real estate deals?

00:40:26.000 Why do we have the universities having literally hundreds of acres and quote unquote research parks where it literally says or or the stadium, what ASU has where there are stuff for the university, the sports facilities, they literally, it allows them to have retail space, all this other stuff.

00:40:41.000 The United States farm building was like the largest real estate transaction.

00:40:44.000 Yeah, I mean, look, the universities have become, and this is why a lot of folks don't want to call them into account, but they have become the largest real estate developers.

00:40:51.000 And so they are now scratching a lot of people's backs.

00:40:54.000 Construction companies.

00:40:55.000 And so there's a lot of folks out there that don't want to say, wait a minute, there's something fundamentally wrong with this.

00:40:59.000 And I know from my own experience, literally, whether it's bar complaints, whether it's hiring some of the state's largest PR firms to go after me, whether it's the media not wanting to talk about it because, you know, it's Arizona State.

00:41:11.000 It's the most important point, though.

00:41:13.000 They're the universities.

00:41:14.000 It's Arizona State.

00:41:15.000 No one, you know, they're afraid to take them on.

00:41:17.000 Yes.

00:41:17.000 I'll give you one quick anecdote, Charlie Chari.

00:41:20.000 I was on a station and I was talking about this a year or two ago when we filed our third lawsuit against the universities.

00:41:27.000 And someone told me that the president of the university at like 10.30 at night heard about it and sent an email to the station and said, I want to be on.

00:41:36.000 And the next day he was on because, you know, they cover sports for ASU.

00:41:40.000 And so he was on to do his quote unquote rebuttal.

00:41:43.000 And so this is, there's a very sophisticated media operation, a political operation.

00:41:49.000 And unfortunately, literally, I mean, they have people filing 200-page bar complaints against me just because I'm trying to protect taxpayers to do my job.

00:41:57.000 And it's very demoralizing at times.

00:41:58.000 Well, but you should be encouraged because I want everyone to understand kind of the significance of what you're saying.

00:42:04.000 You ask questions and file lawsuits on behalf of Arizona taxpayers, which is, you know, your job.

00:42:09.000 And there's this cartel, my word, not your word, that kind of springs into action that hires top PR firms that has favors at all the newspapers, radio stations, TV stations, is able to call in favors to do bar complaints where they don't want to be questioned.

00:42:25.000 And this is an Arizona equivalent of what it would take to go after the EPA or go after any of these kind of government departments.

00:42:34.000 And I think it's really admirable because they, who else is challenging them?

00:42:38.000 Most Republicans in the legislature, they want their football tickets to go see ASU, right?

00:42:43.000 They want their kids to get into, you know, the business school.

00:42:47.000 ASU have a business school, I'm sure it does.

00:42:49.000 But that's what's so, that's what's so unprecedented about the college system is that the Republicans all in some ways want something out of it.

00:42:59.000 I think, and I don't say this lightly, but Michael Crowe is the most powerful man in Arizona.

00:43:05.000 And when you look at who his friends are, I think that's right.

00:43:08.000 When you look at his friends at the country club, you look at the power they wield, how much financial impact they have, whether it's through the sports.

00:43:14.000 And look, I'm an alumni and I've had people ask me, like, why are you hating on the universities?

00:43:20.000 And I love the universities.

00:43:21.000 I want the universities to be great, but I also remember a time, like I said, in the late 80s when I was there and people could afford to go to college without a bunch of debt.

00:43:29.000 And quite frankly, in 1987, the team went to the Rolls Bowl.

00:43:32.000 They had a better football team.

00:43:33.000 The basketball team was better.

00:43:34.000 That's okay right now.

00:43:35.000 We'll see.

00:43:35.000 Yes, yes.

00:43:36.000 I know.

00:43:37.000 But the point is, is that there should be accountability.

00:43:41.000 And the notion that someone has been a university president, and I believe in term limits for elected officials, but I also believe in term limits for university presidents.

00:43:49.000 And when you have someone that's been there, you know, at some point 17, 18 years, I mean, that's a lot of power and a lot of influence.

00:43:56.000 And when you combine that with unaccountability and the notion that they can basically do whatever they want with these real estate transactions with no accountability, no one can hold them accountable.

00:44:06.000 That to me is crazy.

00:44:07.000 That's a recipe for historically we have seen that that's a recipe for a lot of back scratching and crony capitalism.

00:44:16.000 And one of the reasons why I think so many younger folks are turned off to quote unquote capitalism is not because they don't like free markets, but what they've seen is crony capitalism.

00:44:24.000 And whether that's the bank bangout, bailouts, or how the university conducts its business, that is crony capitalism in a nutshell.

00:44:30.000 Well, and then they see themselves go into debt and then see high rises going up around them.

00:44:35.000 Million dollar condos.

00:44:36.000 And they say, wait a second, why isn't that used to bring down tuition?

00:44:40.000 Are you buying a $30 million place in Los Angeles?

00:44:44.000 $30 million.

00:44:45.000 The $30 million was the D.C. place.

00:44:47.000 Los Angeles, I can't remember which Los Angeles, just for the record.

00:44:49.000 You can't get anything for less than a couple million.

00:44:51.000 So let's say it was millions of dollars, right?

00:44:53.000 So it's the 30 million in D.C. That could have helped a lot of students pay their way through college or in some way could have lowered tuition.

00:45:03.000 It's really extraordinary.

00:45:05.000 So where does this stand right now?

00:45:06.000 You're in federal court?

00:45:07.000 This one's actually in state court.

00:45:09.000 And once again, they got this dismissed on procedural grounds.

00:45:13.000 So we were at the state Supreme Court.

00:45:14.000 December 16th is when we're arguing it.

00:45:17.000 And of course, we're making the argument that we have the ability to sue the universities over these real estate deals.

00:45:23.000 And it's not just ASU doing them, just so we're clear.

00:45:26.000 And we hope that the court will say that, yeah, that we can move forward on these lawsuits.

00:45:30.000 Because I think the greatest fear that the university and the higher education establishment has is once we start getting into this, you're going to have other AGs, I think, doing this.

00:45:39.000 Oh, and you're hoping.

00:45:41.000 And once you start getting into these documents and the discovery, I'm sure that there's a lot of things that the higher education establishment doesn't want coming out.

00:45:50.000 One of the reasons why you and I love the U.S. Constitution is because it has checks and balances.

00:45:55.000 Who's supposed to check and balance them?

00:45:57.000 The legislature?

00:45:58.000 That's a joke.

00:45:59.000 Well, you know, the regents technically are supposed to be.

00:46:00.000 Well, I mean, that's a bigger joke.

00:46:02.000 They sit in the conference room for five hours a month, if that.

00:46:06.000 So that's theoretically what the regents are supposed to do.

00:46:08.000 The problem with...

00:46:09.000 Are they appointed by the governor?

00:46:10.000 They are appointed by the governor and they serve at the pleasure of the governor.

00:46:12.000 The governor could have changed this five years ago, going to change it two years ago.

00:46:16.000 So a governor could fire every person on the board of the United States.

00:46:18.000 In Arizona.

00:46:18.000 In Arizona, theoretically, he replaced them.

00:46:20.000 At will at any time.

00:46:21.000 Yes.

00:46:21.000 Wow, that's interesting.

00:46:22.000 Well, and the problem or the big issue is, is that the regents have become essentially a de facto rubber stamp for the universities.

00:46:32.000 And then what they've lost sight of, and it's not only here, this is in other states as well.

00:46:35.000 They realize they're not supposed to be, they could be cheerleaders for the university, but what they're supposed to be doing is making sure that public institutions, public universities, whether they're in Georgia or Wisconsin or Arizona or North Carolina, that they are providing the most value for hardworking middle-class taxpayers.

00:46:52.000 So people like me, people have the ability to go to a state university and get an education if that's what they want to do and not get into $80,000 or $100,000 in debt.

00:47:01.000 So the obligation, the focus needs to be on protecting the students and making sure we have systems in place where people aren't going into all this debt and we're getting good quality education and not indoctrination at our public universities.

00:47:15.000 Well, thank you for your great work on that.

00:47:18.000 And how could people stay in touch with you?

00:47:19.000 You allowed to plug your political website?

00:47:21.000 If not, I can.

00:47:22.000 You guys can, because I know you have all sorts of different boundaries and well, I'm here.

00:47:28.000 Yeah, Berno for AZ.com.

00:47:29.000 Okay, good.

00:47:30.000 B-R-N-O-F-O-R-A-Z.com.

00:47:32.000 If you listen to Sean Hannity, he always makes fun of me.

00:47:35.000 He says I need a simpler website, but that's my name, Charlie.

00:47:38.000 So that's the game, right?

00:47:39.000 But you can also. 1.00

00:47:40.000 I grew up with Serbs.

00:47:41.000 You know that. 0.91

00:47:41.000 Yes, you all got it. 0.91

00:47:42.000 This is another one of our podcasts.

00:47:43.000 Next time we can talk about Eastern Europeans. 0.63

00:47:45.000 Yeah, all about Serbian culture. 0.99

00:47:47.000 I have a very, very soft spot.

00:47:49.000 Montenegrin, you know, I'm Eastern European.

00:47:51.000 So yeah, of course we love to fight, right?

00:47:53.000 But you could also go to markb for AZ.com, M-M-A-R-K-B-F-O-R-A-Z.com.

00:47:58.000 And, you know, my Twitter is General Bernovich.

00:48:02.000 So people keep fighting.

00:48:03.000 Thank you.

00:48:04.000 Thanks, brother.

00:48:05.000 I know that you're doing a great job for Arizona.

00:48:07.000 So keep it up.

00:48:08.000 Thank you.

00:48:11.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:48:12.000 Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:48:15.000 And if you want to support our program, you can do so at charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:48:19.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:48:20.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 13, 2021

Arizona on Trial with Attorney General Mark Brnovich

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