The Charlie Kirk Show - Arizona's Most Liberal College: Charlie vs. Northern Arizona University

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00:00:14.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:00:25.000 He's an incredible guy.

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00:01:11.000 All right, who's up?

00:01:12.000 Mask Man, what's up?

00:01:14.000 What's up, Charlie?

00:01:15.000 Can you hear me?

00:01:16.000 I can, but I can't see you.

00:01:17.000 Okay, that's okay.

00:01:19.000 So, Charlie, I have a few questions, if that's okay.

00:01:22.000 There's not too many people in the back, so I don't want to take up too much time.

00:01:25.000 Just so you know, the mic won't give you COVID, so you can take your mask off.

00:01:27.000 That's okay.

00:01:29.000 That's okay.

00:01:30.000 Or is it you're afraid that people will know who you are?

00:01:33.000 No, I just don't want the internet to know.

00:01:34.000 I just don't want the internet to know.

00:01:37.000 So, Charlie, I have a few questions for you.

00:01:40.000 I'm going to start off with the easiest one and go into it.

00:01:44.000 So, do you believe the 2020 election was rigged, yes or no?

00:01:46.000 Yes, it was, but it was rigged in an untraditional way.

00:01:49.000 Okay, okay, okay.

00:01:50.000 So, okay, I guess that'll be my follow-up question.

00:01:52.000 So, how do you think it was rigged?

00:01:53.000 Yeah, it was rigged through the information that we, the people, could consume.

00:01:57.000 You would agree the CIA should not interfere with our elections, right?

00:01:59.000 Yeah, I would agree with that.

00:02:00.000 And the CIA did.

00:02:01.000 So the CIA actively involved itself in the presidential election of 2020, where the media research center said that one in four swing voters would have changed their votes if voters would have known about the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:02:11.000 Yeah, and it was marked as Russian disinformation.

00:02:13.000 I lost access to my Twitter account.

00:02:15.000 So did the New York Post.

00:02:16.000 So you agree that when the CIA, the FBI, and the Department of Justice interferes with our elections, that's bad.

00:02:21.000 Yeah, I would agree with that.

00:02:22.000 Okay, therefore rigged.

00:02:24.000 Okay, so I guess to go on this topic a little bit more, so you don't believe it was like ballot boxes were rigged or any of that stuff?

00:02:30.000 I mean, there was some suspicious stuff, but I focus on information warfare, because I think that's actually more than anything else how elections are decided.

00:02:36.000 Okay, because I was going to then ask you, if you really think voting's rigged, then why encourage people to go out and vote?

00:02:41.000 Well, again, I'm about information warfare.

00:02:43.000 That's what I've always been focused on.

00:02:44.000 Okay, so you don't really believe it was like ballotorily rigged?

00:02:47.000 Again, there was suspicious stuff that happened, but the bigger issue is that a lot of people that agree with us did not show up and vote.

00:02:54.000 Can I ask you a question?

00:02:56.000 Yeah, sure, go ahead.

00:02:57.000 Who are you voting for?

00:02:58.000 I'm not voting this election.

00:02:59.000 Oh, you're not voting?

00:03:00.000 I'm an independent voter.

00:03:04.000 It's better than saying you vote for Kamala.

00:03:07.000 I'm not going to play it.

00:03:09.000 If you truly believe it's rigged, I'm not going to play a rigged game.

00:03:12.000 Anyway, so that would lead to my next question.

00:03:15.000 So Charlie, you say you're against identity politics, is that correct?

00:03:19.000 Yeah, but I mean, some identities matter.

00:03:20.000 Yeah, like male-female identities matter. 0.69

00:03:21.000 Sure, no, I agree.

00:03:22.000 That's not going to be my question, Charlie.

00:03:25.000 So your organization, Turning Point USA, you guys have a black leadership summit, a Jewish leadership, you guys have stuff like that.

00:03:33.000 So if you claim to be against identity politics, why do you have these summits?

00:03:37.000 Well, yeah, I mean, first of all, culture matters.

00:03:38.000 You'd agree that...

00:03:39.000 I would agree.

00:03:40.000 Yeah, Jewish culture is different than Christian culture, yeah? 1.00

00:03:42.000 Very much so.

00:03:43.000 And so there's some identities that absolutely do matter.

00:03:45.000 But again, identity politics at its core is that you must believe a certain thing based on your skin color.

00:03:49.000 We reject that.

00:03:50.000 That is the definition of identity politics.

00:03:52.000 We do not believe that.

00:03:53.000 We believe that every individual should be able to make their decisions free of their skin color, and there should be no expectation on your worldview just based on the melanin content of your skin.

00:04:00.000 I would generally agree with that, but one question I would like to ask...

00:04:03.000 Last question, yes.

00:04:04.000 Oh, last question.

00:04:05.000 Yeah, we got a long line, so last one.

00:04:08.000 Alright, well then I'll have to skip that, then.

00:04:10.000 I'll go to this question.

00:04:11.000 So, Charlie, why do you say Israel is our biggest ally when Israel has sold U.S. information to other countries like Russia and China, according to former CIA Director James Woolsey?

00:04:21.000 Yeah, I mean, look, first of all, Israel is an ally, whether it's the greatest ally or not, but I just want to make sure we're morally clear.

00:04:25.000 Do you believe the Jews have a right to their ancestral homeland? 0.73

00:04:28.000 Sure, but I believe everybody has a right to an accessory.

00:04:30.000 Oh, hold on.

00:04:30.000 But no, that's very important.

00:04:31.000 So their neighbors do not believe that, many of them. 0.98

00:04:34.000 They believe in the total elimination and extermination of the Jewish people. 0.95

00:04:37.000 So we can agree that is wrong.

00:04:38.000 And that when any person is marked for genocide, we should stand against that.

00:04:42.000 I would agree.

00:04:43.000 Yes.

00:04:43.000 Okay, so yeah, I mean, again, Israel's not a perfect country, but...

00:04:45.000 But why do you continue to send...

00:04:46.000 Why do you continue to advocate for foreign aid to Israel?

00:04:49.000 Well, first of all, I think, number one, a lot of it is U.S. weaponry.

00:04:52.000 The amount we can debate, but the question is not about the aid.

00:04:55.000 The more important question is, do you think that Israel has been a good thing since its development and its charter, since the Belfort Declaration, or a bad thing?

00:05:02.000 I would imagine you would say a good thing, right?

00:05:05.000 I don't think it's necessarily a good or bad thing.

00:05:06.000 Okay, I think it's actually a great thing.

00:05:08.000 I look at it as a miracle.

00:05:09.000 Many people look at it as a mistake.

00:05:11.000 I think that it has Western values in a largely totalitarian region.

00:05:15.000 We can agree to disagree.

00:05:16.000 I'm not saying the Israeli government is perfect, but Jews have a right to their own country.

00:05:20.000 And I'll say the final thing.

00:05:21.000 Do you have strong opinions about the civil war in the Central African Republic?

00:05:25.000 Or strong opinions about the border war happening?

00:05:27.000 No, Charlie, that's not my question.

00:05:28.000 No, no, no.

00:05:28.000 Hold on.

00:05:29.000 This is important.

00:05:29.000 No, no, no.

00:05:30.000 It is important.

00:05:30.000 Because Israel gets all the condemnation of college kids.

00:05:33.000 I want to add.

00:05:34.000 Because it just so happens a country where half the world's Jews get all the protests, all the anger, and yet the genocides happening in Central Africa and the extermination of people happening in Armenia from the invasion of Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan get no attention. 0.60

00:05:48.000 Why?

00:05:48.000 It's because there happens to be latent anti-Semitism and Jew hatred within this country and we should not put up with it.

00:05:54.000 Thank you so much.

00:05:55.000 I want to get to the next question.

00:05:56.000 Thank you.

00:05:59.000 Hey Charlie, how you doing?

00:06:01.000 Awesome.

00:06:02.000 So, just real quick.

00:06:04.000 I'm curious, what are your opinions on congressional term limits and lobbying in the United States?

00:06:08.000 I think I heard you said congressional term limits.

00:06:11.000 And lobbying, yes.

00:06:12.000 I'm in favor and I think we need strict lobbying reform.

00:06:14.000 Okay.

00:06:15.000 How do you think we go about that in a non-violent fashion?

00:06:21.000 Hopefully it will be non-violent.

00:06:22.000 It needs to be done probably through a convention of states and a citizen referendum.

00:06:26.000 I think it's wrong that we have people in D.C. that have been there twice as long as you guys have been alive.

00:06:31.000 And I think that's a bipartisan issue.

00:06:33.000 I 100% agree with that.

00:06:35.000 How would you recommend we organize 330 million people to solve this issue and come up with a solution to get these changes made?

00:06:48.000 So a couple things.

00:06:49.000 Number one, you need a president to call for it.

00:06:51.000 And then the Constitution has Article 5, which allows a convention of states.

00:06:55.000 So states can meet outside of Congress.

00:06:57.000 And I think we need to say that, number one, you can only serve like three or four terms in Congress.

00:07:03.000 I mean, this is bipartisan.

00:07:04.000 I don't think it's good that Mitch McConnell's been there for 40 years.

00:07:06.000 I don't think it's good that Nancy Pelosi's been there for 40 years, right?

00:07:09.000 And so the way to do it is hard.

00:07:11.000 We need a president to call for it, run on it, and then it has to go through the states.

00:07:15.000 Do you think Donald Trump would call for that?

00:07:17.000 Potentially.

00:07:17.000 He has in the past, but I would like to see him do that even more.

00:07:20.000 I think it would actually be a political winner for him.

00:07:22.000 I 100% agree with you.

00:07:23.000 Do you think Kamal Harris would do that?

00:07:24.000 No.

00:07:25.000 Awesome.

00:07:25.000 Okay.

00:07:26.000 Thank you.

00:07:26.000 Thank you so much.

00:07:27.000 Thank you.

00:07:28.000 All right.

00:07:28.000 Disagreements most welcome are just things on your mind.

00:07:30.000 And, again, if you disagree, you can work your way to the front of the line.

00:07:33.000 Yes?

00:07:34.000 What's on your mind?

00:07:34.000 Hello, Charlie.

00:07:36.000 So me and all these young men and women here have the potential for greatness.

00:07:42.000 And we're all here in school trying to...

00:07:45.000 Trying to get a career, whether that is here in America or globally.

00:07:52.000 And so I guess I'm trying to ask, what is, like, at least main points, what are the economic policies that Trump has and how can it affect us back at home and globally?

00:08:04.000 Because I've been told, for example, like, tariffs would hurt us.

00:08:08.000 Yeah, well, first of all, we don't have to wonder what Trump will do as president.

00:08:12.000 When Trump was president, the economy was better and all of you were able to own homes.

00:08:15.000 And I want everyone in the audience here that might hate Trump to listen to this or that people are in the middle.

00:08:20.000 When Donald Trump was president, it required $75,000 a year to be able to buy a home in Flagstaff.

00:08:27.000 Now it requires $130,000 a year to buy a home in Flagstaff.

00:08:32.000 And it's even more in the Valley.

00:08:33.000 Why is that happening?

00:08:35.000 It's because Kamala Harris and Joe Biden decided to spend $6 trillion unnecessarily that then flooded the zone with cheap money and inflated asset prices.

00:08:44.000 This is simple supply and demand.

00:08:46.000 Secondly, we open up our borders to 10 million people.

00:08:49.000 When you have more people in the country and you have a finite good, the price will go up.

00:08:53.000 That is why diamonds are expensive and sand is cheap.

00:08:56.000 It's because when you have a lot of something, it's not worth a lot of money.

00:08:59.000 When you have a little of something, it goes up in value and in price.

00:09:02.000 When Trump was president, young people had the best economy in American history.

00:09:07.000 You guys are entering one of the worst economies in modern American history.

00:09:11.000 Very, very hard to afford homes.

00:09:12.000 Very hard to afford groceries.

00:09:14.000 Very, very hard to afford basic necessities.

00:09:16.000 And so when Trump was president, he had low taxes.

00:09:19.000 Great energy policy and tariffs do not wreck the economy.

00:09:23.000 Instead, it preserves American jobs and American labor because we need to make stuff in this country again. 0.78

00:09:28.000 So would you say also globally things will get better because we're in a state of chaos?

00:09:33.000 I mean, yes.

00:09:33.000 I think that's the other thing.

00:09:34.000 When Trump was president, we saw world peace.

00:09:38.000 We saw no new wars.

00:09:39.000 You see, we had new wars under Clinton, new wars under Bush, new wars under Obama, new wars under Biden.

00:09:44.000 But the only four years of the last 32 years we have not seen new wars is those four years of Donald Trump.

00:09:50.000 We had peace when Trump was president.

00:09:53.000 28 out of 32 of the...

00:09:55.000 I just turned 31 yesterday.

00:09:57.000 So my entire life...

00:09:58.000 Thank you.

00:09:59.000 My entire life, we've known nothing but war.

00:10:02.000 Invading Iraq, invading Afghanistan, war in Ukraine, the war with Israel.

00:10:06.000 We've known nothing but war.

00:10:07.000 But for four years, Donald Trump gave us relative peace in the Middle East in an amazing way.

00:10:13.000 We had the Abraham Accords. 0.99

00:10:14.000 Putin did not invade Ukraine.

00:10:16.000 We did not have a new war with American ground troops.

00:10:19.000 It was an amazing, amazing accomplishment.

00:10:21.000 Something that even honest Democrats should give him credit for.

00:10:24.000 Thank you Charlie.

00:10:25.000 Thank you very much.

00:10:26.000 Thank you.

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00:11:29.000 Hey, so I'm aware that a lot of MAGA Republicans are against the trans community.

00:11:34.000 And I even heard some in this crowd, people saying they don't believe in that whole trans thing and stuff.

00:11:38.000 And I was curious, since you're a major MAGA Republican, what is your opinion on the trans community overall?

00:11:45.000 Well, it depends on what you mean.

00:11:46.000 Obviously, there are people that have mental illnesses that is called transgenderism, but you cannot believe... 1.00

00:11:52.000 Which part do you disagree with? 0.99

00:11:54.000 Mental illness.

00:11:55.000 Okay, got it. 0.60

00:11:56.000 Gender dysphoria would be more of a way of self-expression. 0.94

00:12:00.000 Right, but gender dysphoria was part of the DSM 3 and 4, which was categorized as a mental illness until recently, you would agree, right? 1.00

00:12:06.000 Yes.

00:12:07.000 So almost every doctor you have over the age of 40 was schooled in a world where transgenderism was considered to be a mental illness, only until recently we don't call it a mental illness.

00:12:15.000 Yes, because the world has changed.

00:12:17.000 Well, has science changed?

00:12:19.000 Depends.

00:12:20.000 Well, like, for example, does force equal mass times acceleration?

00:12:23.000 Yes.

00:12:24.000 Was that true in 1960?

00:12:25.000 Yes.

00:12:26.000 Is it true today?

00:12:27.000 Yes.

00:12:27.000 So science doesn't change just because the world changes?

00:12:32.000 I do agree that science does not change, but society does change, and it's the way society moves around.

00:12:37.000 No, no, for sure, I agree.

00:12:38.000 First of all, what's your name?

00:12:39.000 Gavin.

00:12:40.000 Gavin, let me tell you my position.

00:12:41.000 My position is that people that have transgenderism are suffering under an affliction, and they need help.

00:12:46.000 And that help must first start with therapy of the brain, not of the body.

00:12:50.000 Do you know any transgender people?

00:12:52.000 I've met plenty, and I know plenty.

00:12:53.000 And let me tell you, many of whom are struggling with undiagnosed issues other than transgenderism.

00:12:58.000 Let me give you an example.

00:13:00.000 If you come to me and you say, I have a fever, I don't know if your appendix is burst, if you have COVID, the flu, or a cold.

00:13:05.000 I don't know.

00:13:06.000 Transgenderism is a symptom of other underlying mental issues, such as bipolar, So you believe in conversion therapy?

00:13:33.000 Well, it's not conversion therapy.

00:13:34.000 It's called realignment therapy, which has worked.

00:13:36.000 It's called watchful waiting.

00:13:37.000 We on Team Reality believe that puberty is not the problem.

00:13:41.000 Puberty is the solution.

00:13:42.000 So if a young lady, for example, is 14 years old, and she says, I think I am a boy, instead of giving her testosterone, we should see if she will grow out of that phase.

00:13:51.000 Almost every single young lady in this audience will tell you there was a time in her teenage years where she felt uncomfortable in her body.

00:13:57.000 Would you agree, young ladies?

00:13:58.000 Woo! 0.99

00:13:59.000 Aren't you glad that you guys did not have your breasts chopped off at your most vulnerable time? 0.99

00:14:05.000 You see? 0.98

00:14:06.000 And this goes back to a more fundamental issue.

00:14:09.000 We on Team Reality believe that you cannot be something just because you think you are something.

00:14:15.000 You cannot think you are a man if you have excess chromosomes.

00:14:19.000 You cannot think you are a woman if you have XY chromosomes. 0.97

00:14:22.000 No different than you can think that you're a giraffe or I can think you are an eagle.

00:14:25.000 What you think does not determine your reality.

00:14:33.000 I'm sorry.

00:14:34.000 So I do know that Arizona and California, they are not allowed to do transgender surgeries until the age of 18, which I do agree with. 1.00

00:14:42.000 Not in California.

00:14:43.000 In Arizona, that is the case.

00:14:44.000 I googled it last night and said California was, but I could be wrong.

00:14:47.000 They have gender-affirming care in California.

00:14:50.000 Okay, because I do agree with...

00:14:54.000 Needing to be an adult to be able to do it?

00:14:55.000 Because when you're a child, your brain is not fully developed.

00:14:57.000 We totally agree.

00:14:58.000 That's really important.

00:14:59.000 And I'm glad we have common ground on that.

00:15:01.000 That's a huge breakthrough.

00:15:02.000 And I just want to make sure we can appreciate that.

00:15:04.000 Because right now, in many other states, let's pretend you're right about California, because maybe I missed that.

00:15:09.000 There are thousands of kids that are receiving gender-affirming care.

00:15:13.000 And we can both believe you must be at least 18 to get that treatment.

00:15:16.000 So I'm glad we have common ground.

00:15:17.000 Please continue.

00:15:18.000 I do believe we should allow gender-affirming care on adults and people who do feel uncomfortable in their own bodies in that way.

00:15:24.000 And with the mental illness, I do know that a lot of neurodivergent people do.

00:15:28.000 A lot of trans people are neurodivergent as well.

00:15:31.000 I'm just afraid of the limit of self-expression coming into these next few years if Trump were to win.

00:15:40.000 Okay, so let me just ask you a couple questions, and they're not trap questions, okay?

00:15:45.000 Because they're more questions about reality than they are politics, and I think that how you view reality then determines your political views.

00:15:50.000 You would agree?

00:15:51.000 Yes.

00:15:51.000 Okay, so can someone that has XY chromosomes, a male, can that person be a female?

00:15:58.000 Yes.

00:15:59.000 When it comes to sex, no.

00:16:01.000 When it comes to gender, yes. 0.70

00:16:02.000 Okay, so I believe gender doesn't exist. 0.91

00:16:04.000 There are two sexes, no genders, infinite personalities, right? 0.99

00:16:07.000 Interesting.

00:16:08.000 So gender is a term that was coined by John Monty and Judith Butler that is relatively new.

00:16:13.000 So can you ever become another sex with surgery or wearing a dress? 0.98

00:16:22.000 No, you can't technically, I mean you can get bottom surgery, but you can't change your chromosomes.

00:16:27.000 But I don't believe in the changing the sex. 0.90

00:16:30.000 I believe that people should express, and I don't believe in gender, but I feel like people should express how they feel in their body when it comes to expressing themselves in a gender.

00:16:38.000 Because I do know a lot of men who express themselves more femininely rather than masculinely on the way around with Yeah, but hold on, I have to interrupt you.

00:16:46.000 You're using feminine and masculine as binaries when you say that.

00:16:49.000 Yeah.

00:16:49.000 So you're already establishing the standard of which is a biological standard, right?

00:16:53.000 And which is important.

00:16:54.000 And you are different than some trans activists.

00:16:58.000 I'm not saying you're trans activists.

00:16:59.000 Well, they'll say the masculine and the feminine do not exist, and the binary is not real.

00:17:03.000 We generally have agreement.

00:17:05.000 My disposition is if you're a 30-year-old and you want to wear a dress, that's not my business.

00:17:11.000 However, let me ask you a question.

00:17:12.000 If you told me that you were a man when you were not, or vice versa, should I be forced to use pronouns that I know that are not correct?

00:17:22.000 To respect the person, you should use the pronouns they prefer.

00:17:25.000 No, should I be forced to use the pronouns, though?

00:17:27.000 Not forced, because we do have freedom of speech.

00:17:29.000 It's in the First Amendment.

00:17:30.000 We agree.

00:17:31.000 Yeah, we agree.

00:17:32.000 So, we don't disagree on much, and so, basically, we can say kids should be off limits, adults should be able to be free what they do, and we can agree to disagree on what is respectful or not.

00:17:43.000 Yes, I just wanted to know what your beliefs were on it, just as a curiosity.

00:17:48.000 Very good.

00:17:48.000 Thank you.

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00:18:55.000 I'm asking a few questions on behalf of my 16-year-old brother, Apollo.

00:18:59.000 When I told him you were coming today, he got really excited because he's a huge fan of yours.

00:19:03.000 He was wondering now, how do you feel the left side will react in response to our former President Trump being re-elected? 0.90

00:19:11.000 Well, yeah, I mean, you see that lunatic with the cowbell? 0.94

00:19:15.000 Imagine that times like a thousand. 0.84

00:19:17.000 If Donald Trump becomes the next president, that guy needs help if Trump wins.

00:19:23.000 Because they are going to lose their mind.

00:19:25.000 Yes sir.

00:19:26.000 And honestly, I'm kind of excited for it, to be honest, if Donald Trump wins again.

00:19:30.000 But yes, what else?

00:19:32.000 And my last question is, if Kamala Harris wins the election, do you think the backlash will lead to a revolution or a civil war?

00:19:39.000 No, I hope not.

00:19:40.000 I mean, look, a lot of us are going to go to jail if she wins, myself included, and that's not a joke.

00:19:44.000 Her administration has said for a while, and what they've done with Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro, Donald Trump, they do not agree to disagree.

00:19:52.000 Again, that's a perfect example.

00:19:53.000 They will interrupt you.

00:19:55.000 They will try to put you in jail.

00:19:56.000 They'll try to put you in handcuffs. 0.90

00:19:57.000 So if Kamala wins, we need to stay close to one another, not give up on America, and keep on fighting.

00:20:04.000 Thank you, sir.

00:20:05.000 I appreciate your impartiality to a bunch of different available topics.

00:20:05.000 I agree.

00:20:12.000 And thank you for inspiring my brother and me to come up and ask these questions.

00:20:16.000 Thank you very much.

00:20:16.000 I appreciate it.

00:20:16.000 God bless you.

00:20:17.000 Thank you.

00:20:17.000 You too.

00:20:19.000 Just a reminder, everybody, here in Coconino County, voting is active and open, so make sure you guys go make a plan to vote.

00:20:26.000 Who here got a mail-in ballot?

00:20:28.000 Anybody?

00:20:29.000 Turn those in, everybody, all right?

00:20:31.000 In fact, I believe there are drop boxes here on campus, all right?

00:20:34.000 Get those ballots in.

00:20:36.000 Yes, what's on your mind?

00:20:37.000 Hi, my name is Frederica.

00:20:39.000 I'm the president of Students for Life here at NAU. I have two questions.

00:20:43.000 The first question is, why should we vote no on Prop 139?

00:20:47.000 This is really important.

00:20:48.000 Prop 139, unfortunately, is getting a ton of money and is looking like it's likely to pass unless we open people's eyes to it.

00:20:55.000 I'm 100% pro-life, as I imagine you are.

00:20:58.000 This proposition goes too far.

00:21:01.000 This proposition puts no limits on abortion and would make Arizona a late-term abortion capital of the country, meaning abortion all the way up until the moment of birth.

00:21:11.000 Look, I'm an abortion abolitionist.

00:21:13.000 I want to see no abortion whatsoever. 0.99

00:21:15.000 But I bet almost everyone in this audience would say we should not have laws that are more extreme than the laws of France, Germany, the Netherlands, and all of Europe when it comes to late-term abortion.

00:21:27.000 This would allow late-term abortion, including for minors, including for 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds without parental consent.

00:21:35.000 This is so extreme.

00:21:36.000 I hope people wake up to it and that we reject Prop 139.

00:21:42.000 My second question is, why are you a white man against Kamala Harris?

00:21:46.000 Say it again.

00:21:46.000 Why are you a white man against Kamala Harris?

00:21:48.000 Why am I a white dude against Kamala Harris? 0.91

00:21:50.000 Because I have a brain.

00:21:52.000 And so, look, I love when I meet these white dudes for Harris. 0.62

00:21:56.000 I would love to meet some today.

00:21:57.000 But look, here's the reality.

00:22:00.000 Kamala Harris has not earned your vote, even if you're a Democrat.

00:22:03.000 She did not win your primary.

00:22:05.000 She did not tell you why she should be your nominee.

00:22:08.000 Instead, they put Kamala Harris in a late bait-and-switch type of agreement to all of a sudden she gets this coronation. 1.00

00:22:14.000 She has helped destroy this country with Joe Biden.

00:22:17.000 Wide open border, terrible economy, wars overseas.

00:22:20.000 Donald Trump will restore this country back to peace, prosperity, and make it easier for all of you guys to be able to own homes.

00:22:26.000 Thank you, sir.

00:22:29.000 Thank you.

00:22:30.000 Hey, I got two questions.

00:22:32.000 What's your name?

00:22:33.000 Caden Dixon.

00:22:34.000 Nice to meet you.

00:22:35.000 Can we get the mic up? 0.99

00:22:36.000 Hey, how do you feel about gays and should you circumcise your kids? 1.00

00:22:42.000 Well, how do I feel about gays? 1.00

00:22:44.000 I mean, all people are equal in the eyes of God. 0.96

00:22:47.000 My religion teaches me that homosexuality is a sin. 0.93

00:22:52.000 I believe the behavior of homosexuality is a sin. 1.00

00:22:54.000 You guys can disagree with that.

00:22:55.000 That's what my religion teaches me.

00:22:56.000 However, in the conservative movement and on our team, we have a lot of people that are same-sex attracted and do an amazing job and are part of Turning Point USA, and we welcome in that way.

00:23:05.000 As far as circumcision, it's a personal decision.

00:23:08.000 The rest of the world does not circumcise.

00:23:10.000 I will say this.

00:23:11.000 There's a lot more errors when it comes to circumcision than people would ever tell you.

00:23:14.000 It's not for cleanliness, and there's a lot more issues with it related.

00:23:18.000 75% of the world does not circumcise, so just keep that in mind.

00:23:23.000 But it's a personal decision.

00:23:24.000 I don't talk about it publicly very much.

00:23:25.000 Thank you.

00:23:26.000 Thank you.

00:23:28.000 I have never received a question on circumcision, so kudos to you, man.

00:23:34.000 And a very important issue, by the way.

00:23:36.000 How's it going, Charlie?

00:23:38.000 Alright, let me see.

00:23:39.000 I just really wanted to address the legal immigration, especially within the last four years.

00:23:43.000 And I was wondering, why do you think other countries aren't judged for having a strict immigration policy?

00:23:48.000 For example, Poland, they'll shoot you if you try to break in. 1.00

00:23:51.000 But yet America is somehow expected to be the savior for all the asylum seekers. 0.99

00:23:55.000 Why is it America's job to be the savior for all those fleeing to our country? 1.00

00:23:59.000 That's a great question.

00:24:00.000 It's because we've become a weak country and we have fallen under our own lies where we say that we must open our doors to all people at all times.

00:24:08.000 Everybody, here's the rule.

00:24:10.000 We should not have any open borders at all ever and we should not have relaxed immigration until you guys have a life as good as your parents.

00:24:18.000 That is the deal.

00:24:19.000 Until you guys are able to have the same quality of living that your parents had, you should not open the doors to the rest of the world.

00:24:25.000 You guys are the first generation since George Washington.

00:24:28.000 The first generation since George Washington to have a lower standard of living than your parents.

00:24:36.000 That's remarkable.

00:24:37.000 And so we should not open up the doors of America to other countries until our own children of America are able to achieve the American dream.

00:24:44.000 Perfect.

00:24:46.000 Great question.

00:24:47.000 Thank you.

00:24:48.000 And then, I just wanted to close it off by, it seems as if we're more concerned with improving the lives of asylum seekers and illegal immigrants more so than improving American lives.

00:24:58.000 How do we fix that?

00:24:59.000 Well, we elect Trump, and then we put our citizens first.

00:25:01.000 You see, Kamala Harris believes in putting foreigners over Americans.

00:25:05.000 How many of you guys get free luxury hotel rooms?

00:25:08.000 How about flights to the city of your choosing?

00:25:10.000 Or, well, maybe you guys get free cell phones if your parents pay for it.

00:25:13.000 But, I mean, the point being is that we are giving the foreigners of the world any vetting, any background checks, free flights to any city they're choosing, luxury hotels, cell phones, and food stamps. 0.99

00:25:24.000 This is ridiculous. 0.95

00:25:25.000 It's insane. 0.98

00:25:26.000 We are paying for this.

00:25:27.000 We have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on foreigners coming into America.

00:25:31.000 While you guys can't afford groceries or buy a home.

00:25:34.000 It's a breakdown of the social contract.

00:25:36.000 Donald Trump will fix it and put you guys first.

00:25:38.000 Yes, sir.

00:25:39.000 I appreciate it.

00:25:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:25:42.000 Let's go, Andre.

00:25:46.000 How are you?

00:25:46.000 Hey, how's it going?

00:25:48.000 I have a quick question.

00:25:50.000 I'm a fellow Republican, and I plan to vote on Donald Trump in November.

00:25:54.000 But there's a real possibility that Kamala Harris wins.

00:25:56.000 So, if Kamala Harris were to win, what policies would she implement Well, it's great. 1.00

00:26:04.000 I mean, first of all, she's lying about almost every core position.

00:26:09.000 Number one, she would try to eliminate the Electoral College, which means that it would be the end of Arizona and Georgia having the appropriate say in our elections. 1.00

00:26:18.000 Number two...

00:26:19.000 She would end a lot of fossil fuel exploration and energy exploration, rising the price of energy. 1.00

00:26:24.000 Number three, she wants to tax unrealized gains. 1.00

00:26:28.000 I can't even tell you how bad of an idea this is.

00:26:30.000 I know this is very wonky.

00:26:31.000 It'd be very hard for you guys to find jobs.

00:26:33.000 She would further wreck the economy.

00:26:35.000 She wants to spend trillions of dollars we do not have that would continue hyperinflation. 1.00

00:26:39.000 But most importantly, the border would be open, another 20 million people would come in this country illegally, and I believe she would get us to World War III. I believe many people in this audience would be drafted into a world war if Kamala Harris were to win this election.

00:26:52.000 Thank you, I appreciate it.

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00:27:55.000 Hi!

00:27:56.000 I don't really have a specific question.

00:27:59.000 What is something that you like to debate about?

00:28:04.000 What's on your mind?

00:28:05.000 I want to make it more fair for you.

00:28:06.000 I'm not here to pick debates.

00:28:08.000 I'm here to try to teach.

00:28:10.000 Do you tend to be more conservative or liberal?

00:28:14.000 More liberal.

00:28:15.000 Okay.

00:28:16.000 Tell me how you got to that way and tell me.

00:28:18.000 This is not a trick.

00:28:19.000 I'm not here to debate college kids.

00:28:21.000 I'm here to try to teach.

00:28:22.000 If someone debates me, I'll debate back.

00:28:24.000 I mean, it's kind of just what aligns with my morals.

00:28:27.000 I'm myself.

00:28:29.000 I'm a queer person.

00:28:31.000 And I know that you have a lot of stuff that you wouldn't agree with me on.

00:28:35.000 But I think it's important to actually debate the topics and not just fight.

00:28:39.000 I totally agree. 0.98

00:28:40.000 Can I ask a dumb question? 0.99

00:28:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:28:41.000 When I grew up, calling someone queer was like a slur. 0.99

00:28:45.000 Can you tell me what that means?

00:28:46.000 I mean that sincerely.

00:28:48.000 And how is it different than just saying you're lesbian or bisexual or gay?

00:28:51.000 So it can be different for everyone because gender, sexuality, it's a spectrum just like anything else.

00:28:58.000 And for me personally, I like everyone.

00:29:02.000 But what does queer mean though?

00:29:04.000 Queer? 0.94

00:29:04.000 It's just a label. 0.94

00:29:06.000 What does the label mean?

00:29:08.000 So it's different for everyone.

00:29:10.000 Okay.

00:29:11.000 I know, but that doesn't...

00:29:13.000 I hear people going, oh my god.

00:29:15.000 No, I just want a definition.

00:29:17.000 I'm not trying to put you as a trap, though.

00:29:20.000 I mean this, because when I grew up, if I called somebody queer, I would get in trouble.

00:29:23.000 Just give me, like, a working definition.

00:29:25.000 Yeah, so queer is just something that you identify as with your sexuality.

00:29:30.000 It can be related to gender, too.

00:29:32.000 Right, but how do you know once you achieve queer? 1.00

00:29:35.000 Like, what is the...

00:29:36.000 Like, can you give me...

00:29:37.000 Saying that anybody can be it doesn't tell me what that thing is.

00:29:41.000 Does that make sense, though?

00:29:41.000 Like, it'd be like saying you become an adult when you feel like you're an adult.

00:29:46.000 I mean, you have to say that there is an objective...

00:29:50.000 I'm glad that everyone's having so much fun with this.

00:29:53.000 Well, they're laughing because I'm trying to glean what it means.

00:29:57.000 Yeah.

00:29:57.000 Because when someone says queer, that doesn't tell me anything.

00:30:00.000 Yeah, so that's what a debate is for.

00:30:07.000 So, it's literally just an identity.

00:30:16.000 What is that identity?

00:30:18.000 Right, but what is that identity?

00:30:21.000 For example, if I were to say I'm a conservative, let me give you an example.

00:30:25.000 A conservative is someone who believes in small government, strong borders, American exceptionalism, the Constitution.

00:30:31.000 How would you then give a definition of queer that someone looking at could say, oh, that is queer?

00:30:37.000 Like, connect the dots.

00:30:38.000 So, I'm gay, right?

00:30:42.000 Okay, no, that's good.

00:30:43.000 So what's the difference than gay and queer?

00:30:49.000 The whole point of it is that it has a different definition for everyone.

00:30:54.000 No, I know, but what is the difference then of gay and queer?

00:30:59.000 No!

00:31:00.000 I get more questions, right?

00:31:03.000 Yeah, sure.

00:31:05.000 When did I say I was good at it?

00:31:07.000 No, guys, I mean this because I think that in society, just so you know my perspective...

00:31:17.000 They're not chanting at you.

00:31:19.000 No, I have a real question.

00:31:21.000 I have a real question.

00:31:23.000 What policies, what are your favorite policies that you want implemented from Trump, like if he were to be elected?

00:31:30.000 Okay, yeah, I think that if you're an illegal in this country and you commit a crime, you should be sent back to your country of origin. 1.00

00:31:38.000 Is there anything else?

00:31:39.000 Oh, there's a lot more.

00:31:40.000 I think we should drill our natural resources to bring down the price of oil and natural gas.

00:31:45.000 I think we should broker peace between Russia and Ukraine.

00:31:48.000 I think we should try to end the Israeli war as quickly and as humanely possible. 0.87

00:31:52.000 I believe we should secure the southern border, cut taxes for middle-income earners, no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on overtime, no men and women's sports.

00:32:02.000 Those are just some of the policies off the top of my head.

00:32:05.000 Yeah, so I agree that taxes should be lowered because the taxes are extremely high, especially here.

00:32:10.000 And I know you brought up earlier that it's way more expensive now to have housing than it was even like a couple years ago.

00:32:17.000 And I think it's super important to talk about that because it's really impossible for especially college students to be expected to have housing after they graduate.

00:32:28.000 Totally agree.

00:32:29.000 So why is it that when Trump was president, an average house you could get at $75,000 combined income a year, now it's $130,000 a year.

00:32:37.000 Why is that?

00:32:42.000 So, I will say that I don't agree with everything that Kamala Harris stands for, and I'm not that knowledgeable about it.

00:32:47.000 That's why I'm having the debate so I can learn.

00:32:50.000 But I also don't agree with Trump.

00:32:53.000 On what, though?

00:32:55.000 I just don't.

00:32:57.000 No!

00:33:00.000 Can you give me...

00:33:01.000 Don't boo me! 0.86

00:33:02.000 Boo! 0.83

00:33:06.000 Don't boo.

00:33:07.000 Please don't boo.

00:33:07.000 What's your name?

00:33:08.000 Taylor.

00:33:09.000 Taylor, thank you for coming up.

00:33:10.000 Can you give me two things that you don't agree with Trump on, or would you like me to try to win you over for Trump?

00:33:16.000 So, you're not going to be able to do that, but I appreciate it.

00:33:19.000 Well, then you're not open-minded.

00:33:22.000 So...

00:33:23.000 Well, first of all...

00:33:24.000 If you say that there's nothing you can then hear to be won over for Trump, then you gotta give me a good reason, at least two, why you don't like Trump. 0.99

00:33:34.000 He's racist. 0.98

00:33:36.000 Yup! 0.99

00:33:37.000 Boomy! 0.99

00:33:39.000 Thank you guys. 0.98

00:33:42.000 Okay, so let me ask you a dumb question. 0.95

00:33:44.000 Can you define what does it mean to be racist? 0.98

00:33:50.000 Do you want me to look up a definition?

00:33:52.000 No, no, I want you to...

00:33:52.000 You said he's a racist, so you must have a definition of racism in your mind.

00:33:57.000 Tell me what that definition is.

00:34:00.000 Okay, so...

00:34:01.000 I'm going to make you guys wait on this.

00:34:05.000 Ooh, zero knowledge.

00:34:07.000 Guys, please don't heckle.

00:34:09.000 I want to try to understand, because these words have a lot of meaning, but you can't get...

00:34:15.000 I know it's hard on the spot.

00:34:17.000 I just want you to think about it, because if you say Trump is a racist, you should be able to easily give a definition of what that word means.

00:34:23.000 So it's hatred towards another race, right? 0.92

00:34:26.000 So when has he ever exhibited that?

00:34:28.000 Give me clear and specific examples.

00:34:31.000 You got one?

00:34:32.000 Uh-oh.

00:34:34.000 Um, well, yeah, I heard someone say he told, uh, told...

00:34:39.000 Yes!

00:34:45.000 Okay, but let me just help you out here.

00:34:47.000 Uh-huh.

00:34:49.000 What you think he's a racist because the media has told you he's a racist.

00:34:53.000 Because you can't give me an example off the top of your head and even when you phone a friend of the audience.

00:34:57.000 I'm not criticizing you.

00:34:59.000 Maybe the media is lying to you.

00:35:01.000 Maybe the man who's being called a racist is actually someone that's trying to improve lives of all Americans I think this is fun guys, so So...

00:35:19.000 Okay, so let me just ask one final question for you.

00:35:24.000 Yeah.

00:35:25.000 Which is, you say you are liberal.

00:35:29.000 Yeah.

00:35:29.000 Right?

00:35:29.000 And you say you lean to the left.

00:35:31.000 Yeah.

00:35:32.000 Are you open-minded to have your mind changed on your core political principles?

00:35:37.000 On my core political principles?

00:35:40.000 Or philosophical.

00:35:41.000 If it's a fact, then sure.

00:35:45.000 Okay.

00:35:45.000 Cool.

00:35:46.000 So can I give you a fact I want you to think about?

00:35:50.000 Kamala Harris, as she's been in charge of the border, we have 320,000 missing children right now in this country that were all sex trafficked or labor trafficked across the southern border.

00:36:00.000 Do you agree that that should probably get more attention?

00:36:03.000 I think any type of issue like that should get attention.

00:36:06.000 Have you heard about that before me mentioning it?

00:36:09.000 Not really.

00:36:10.000 Like I said, I don't really know that much.

00:36:12.000 No, but hold on.

00:36:13.000 But you knew enough to say Trump was a racist.

00:36:15.000 Why do you think you don't know that there's 320,000 missing kids in America?

00:36:19.000 Why is that?

00:36:20.000 It's not really presented in the media.

00:36:21.000 The media is so focused right now on the battle between conservative and liberal.

00:36:26.000 But isn't that a core part of the battle?

00:36:28.000 That the liberal vice president has allowed 320,000 kids to go missing?

00:36:32.000 So how is she allowed that exactly? 0.96

00:36:35.000 That's a good question.

00:36:36.000 She's in charge of the border.

00:36:37.000 She has stopped DNA testing at the border.

00:36:40.000 So if a kid comes to the border, 12 years old, and someone says, I'm their father, there's no DNA rapid testing that takes 90 seconds to make sure that's actually the father.

00:36:49.000 Most times it's a pimp that is selling the girl into sex slavery in the interior of the United States.

00:36:54.000 Kamala Harris specifically got rid of that policy. 1.00

00:36:59.000 So it was in place before?

00:37:01.000 Yes, when Donald Trump was president, it required DNA testing and families would remain together and they were not granted asylum into the interior of the country and we had remained in Mexico, the lowest border crossings in American history.

00:37:14.000 Under Kamala Harris, we have 10 million people coming illegally into America.

00:37:20.000 Okay.

00:37:20.000 Next person.

00:37:21.000 Alright, I want you to think about these things and maybe one day you'll remember this conversation and you'll think back that maybe conservatives have been right all along.

00:37:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:37:31.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:34.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - October 23, 2024

Arizona's Most Liberal College: Charlie vs. Northern Arizona University

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