The Charlie Kirk Show - Ask Charlie Anything 130: What Drove the Idaho Killer? House Deal, Scam or Steal? Where Do We Find Meaning?

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00:00:18.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:00:59.000 Charlie, if this so-called deal that brought over MAGA conservatives in Congress to vote for Kevin McCarthy is good, then show us the agreement.

00:01:07.000 We want to judge it for ourselves to determine whether or not we've been sold out against Osolda once again for a worthless piece of paper written by cowards.

00:01:16.000 I agree.

00:01:17.000 We should see it.

00:01:18.000 That is a fair take, and I have no disagreement there.

00:01:25.000 Someone says, Charlie, why are you calling out the seven holdouts?

00:01:29.000 What a dirty, lowdown tactic by you.

00:01:33.000 I didn't call them out.

00:01:35.000 It's a fact.

00:01:35.000 I mean, these are seven people.

00:01:37.000 I actually called them patriots before.

00:01:40.000 I don't know really where that comes from.

00:01:41.000 I don't know why you got to be so nasty.

00:01:44.000 You call out seven congressmen who want to bring the House of Representatives back to operating as the Constitution mandates.

00:01:50.000 Shame on you.

00:01:51.000 Probably won't read this because it's not from your friends sent from my iPhone, Rudy.

00:01:57.000 I read it on air.

00:01:57.000 Well, you're wrong.

00:01:59.000 Just be honest.

00:02:01.000 You could be nasty.

00:02:03.000 Just be honest.

00:02:05.000 Okay, let's get to this one here.

00:02:06.000 Charlie, I think you're right.

00:02:08.000 I'm somebody who is more libertarian than conservative.

00:02:10.000 I'm saying you're right.

00:02:11.000 The problem with many people who are bashing you are acting on emotion and not with logic and reason.

00:02:17.000 There's no other way to get to 218 but McCarthy.

00:02:20.000 I love what Congressman Rosendale said on the floor yesterday.

00:02:23.000 I only wish we could get these concessions on a legal document, but you're correct in your analysis.

00:02:29.000 Getting to 218 is the question.

00:02:31.000 Someone says, Charlie, it's very obvious.

00:02:34.000 We need to have Jim Jordan as Speaker of the House.

00:02:37.000 The problem with that, I would love Jim Jordan to speak of the house, is how do you get him to 218 when McCarthy has 120 to 160 loyal, more moderate Republicans that he has done favors for and that he has grown to be close friends with.

00:02:54.000 So that is a question.

00:02:57.000 You have to be able to get to 218.

00:02:58.000 So show the path to get to 218 and the most conservative person or the most conservative concessions to help us get to 218, that should be considered a victory, whatever that is.

00:03:10.000 How about this one here?

00:03:12.000 Charlie, I don't want Kevin at all, but if 19 people get their concessions, Kevin will basically be powerless.

00:03:17.000 Well, now you're starting to think pragmatically.

00:03:20.000 Getting actual structural concessions, pretty important.

00:03:27.000 Someone here.

00:03:28.000 Charlie, I want to see the deal negotiated for me.

00:03:31.000 If I don't see the deal, I don't believe anything, period.

00:03:34.000 Derek, I think that's very fair.

00:03:35.000 I think we should all see the deal.

00:03:37.000 Anyone who voted against McCarthy will be defeated in the primaries or the general.

00:03:42.000 McCarthy will put millions of dollars against them in elections.

00:03:45.000 I believe they won't be reelected.

00:03:46.000 I'm not so sure about that.

00:03:48.000 The people who flipped to McCarthy, it feels like they were threatened without concessions.

00:03:52.000 McCarthy controls most donor money.

00:03:55.000 So how do we trust he won't go after his opponents?

00:03:57.000 That's part of the alleged concessions of CLF and the Club for Growth negotiations.

00:04:04.000 Charlie, I watch RAV almost every day and most shows, and I agree through explanations to your listeners most of the time.

00:04:09.000 However, as a former steelworker union negotiator, I think it would serve you and many of the shows to dig deeper and explain to listeners a more in-depth explanation about negotiations.

00:04:20.000 Negotiation is a talent-specific skill set, and not everyone understands.

00:04:24.000 As you know, you never get all you want, but you try to get the best deal you can and move on and try to improve next time.

00:04:29.000 I personally think that McCarthy should not be the speaker, and the rebels should hold out until he steps down.

00:04:35.000 But as I listen to representatives talking about reaching across the aisle, the Democrats, they need to go and should not be forgotten in their next election.

00:04:41.000 Sincerely, Sean.

00:04:43.000 Thank you, Sean, for your email.

00:04:45.000 Charlie, how long until the trans-Republican McCarthy will resign?

00:04:50.000 That is the only thing that we will accept.

00:04:52.000 Or Rennegs is what he had in his email.

00:04:55.000 Charlie, named one investigation that matters or that mattered.

00:05:00.000 I'll name five to your one.

00:05:02.000 I think investigations do matter.

00:05:04.000 I do.

00:05:05.000 I disagree.

00:05:06.000 If you don't, if you don't think investigations matter, then you don't believe in the promise of checks and balances and separation of powers of the Constitution.

00:05:18.000 I do want to take some of the deeper questions here, which is not even deeper, just more applicable.

00:05:27.000 Someone says here, because we did a show last week, the last show of the 2022 calendar year, I believe, already in 2023.

00:05:38.000 And it definitely received some feedback.

00:05:47.000 And we were talking about people's lack of meaning in their life, this existential despair that seems to be cast over the country.

00:05:59.000 And it's really sad.

00:06:01.000 In the last week, somebody in the immediate circle at Turning Point USA and someone in my family circle both took their own lives.

00:06:10.000 Very sad and very hard to comprehend for many reasons.

00:06:15.000 Obviously, because it is a permanent action to what could be described as a temporary state of mind.

00:06:23.000 It is an irreversible, unchangeable decision.

00:06:29.000 And I shared some of my thoughts on that last week, but I do want to communicate two things because we do have a fair amount of people listening, which is the following.

00:06:45.000 That harming oneself is not a victimless crime.

00:06:53.000 You do end up causing suffering and pain for other people.

00:07:01.000 And number two, a feeling or an emotion that you very well might be experiencing at that particular moment is by no means permanent.

00:07:13.000 What I'm trying to say is that there is hope to be able to get help and healing.

00:07:17.000 Those are two very, very important things.

00:07:20.000 And I can tell you that in kind of the turning point USA world, it has been a very difficult week grappling with these ideas and this topic.

00:07:32.000 And a lot of people are hurt.

00:07:34.000 And so if you are hurting, I am encouraging, in fact, I am saying that in the most glaring way is don't hurt other people.

00:07:48.000 You might say, I don't want to hurt other people, but you do if you end up doing that.

00:07:53.000 And so we got a lot of emails on that topic.

00:07:56.000 Some people thought I was a little bit too harsh about the action itself.

00:08:01.000 I'm not going to go, I'm not going to relitigate all of that.

00:08:04.000 I have obviously compassion and sympathy for people that are experiencing that type of pain, but I also don't want to make it seem like that is a light thing to do, as if it's an acceptable action.

00:08:20.000 I do not believe it is at all.

00:08:23.000 You know, some people will say, well, they were in a lot of pain and it's understandable.

00:08:31.000 The pain is understandable, but it only continues the cycle of suffering that so many people are already in.

00:08:39.000 It opens up endless amounts of questions and torment for more people than I think you could ever imagine.

00:08:50.000 And as we mentioned last week in Victor Frankl's wonderful book, Man's Search for Meaning and his development of logotherapy, which basically means the therapy or the psychology of meaning, that you can find meaning in suffering.

00:09:11.000 That you do have free will, you have agency, you have choice to be able to choose what attitude you bring to every single moment.

00:09:20.000 Now, this is something that has been done a fair amount with Jordan Peterson and with Victor Frankl.

00:09:31.000 And it's who is the person that you want to be?

00:09:35.000 And take time to write that down and to visualize yourself.

00:09:38.000 And what Victor Frankl, who was living through the concentration camp, envisioned every single day, was living through the concentration camp and teaching a class about the psychology of a concentration camp.

00:09:54.000 That was his meaning.

00:09:55.000 His meaning was one day to be able to survive, to be able to tell people about logotherapy as a teacher.

00:10:05.000 It's very interesting.

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00:12:00.000 I want to talk about the Idaho murder.

00:12:03.000 There's something that really bothers me about the Idaho situation beyond the obvious.

00:12:14.000 And I'm going to walk through that in a second here.

00:12:21.000 So here's what this guy is by the name of Brian Koberger, 28 years old, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.

00:12:27.000 I want to just keep saying that.

00:12:32.000 And the cops have done a great job looking into this.

00:12:39.000 And so a couple things.

00:12:40.000 We're continuing to get more information about this, the man accused of murdering the four college students at the University of Idaho.

00:12:47.000 It's become a rather incredible example of what forensic investigators are capable of these days.

00:12:52.000 40 years ago, this probably would have been an unsolved murder.

00:12:55.000 And for almost a month, it looked like it would be.

00:12:57.000 But thankfully, it has turned out that instead of being hopelessly lost, the police were steadily making progress.

00:13:03.000 And yesterday, we learned what evidence they were collecting.

00:13:06.000 Koberger, you'll remember, was a graduate student in criminology at Washington State University in Pullman, which is only about eight miles away from Moscow, where the University of Idaho is.

00:13:17.000 Koberger became a suspect because he was identified as the owner of a white Hyundai Elantra, which is an FBI analyst identified, which an FBI analyst identified as a vehicle of interest from a mountain of surveillance footage recorded from nearby buildings in the area.

00:13:34.000 From there, the evidence slowly came together, as often the case these days.

00:13:37.000 The suspect's cell phone played a role, according to the investigators.

00:13:40.000 Kohlberger's phone showed that he visited the murder house 12 times for the killings.

00:13:45.000 Not only that, but he returned to the area of the house around 9 a.m. on November 13th before the murders have even been discovered.

00:13:51.000 Now, let me take a pause here.

00:13:53.000 If it's indeed true that he visited the house 12 times, then it does dispel the fear that this was just a random killing, that he knew the victims.

00:14:05.000 Now, why is that a fear?

00:14:07.000 Because some people I think are now living in this state of mind that someone, a knife murderer, might just show up at your house.

00:14:16.000 Now, by the way, he could just be staking out.

00:14:17.000 We don't know.

00:14:18.000 We'll have to wait for the trial.

00:14:19.000 But it turns out the most important piece of evidence against Koberger might not be where his cell phone was pinged, but rather when it didn't.

00:14:26.000 According to the evidence released yesterday, Koberger's cell phone stopped reporting its location from 2.48 to 4.48 on November 13th, the exact time window where the killings occurred.

00:14:36.000 When his phone was turned back on, Koberger was driving on the road back to his university.

00:14:40.000 Police were able to recover just one single DNA sample of the killer from the scene, from a knife sheaf that was mistakenly left behind.

00:14:48.000 So the FBI picked up a trash sample from the home of Koberger's parents and found a match.

00:14:53.000 DNA found in a trash pile was a 99.999% likely to belong to the father of the person whose DNA was on the knife sheaf.

00:15:03.000 Also, it now turns out that one of the survivors actually saw the killer on the night of the slayings, which I'm not quite understanding this part of the story yet.

00:15:12.000 I'm sure we will.

00:15:13.000 Clarity will emerge as time goes on.

00:15:16.000 I'm still cloudy on this.

00:15:18.000 In an affidavit, Dylan Morton said she woke up at the time of the killings and she thought she overheard one of the victims saying, there's someone here.

00:15:25.000 When she poked her head out of the room, she came face to face with a man in black clothing and a mask that covered his mouth and nose.

00:15:32.000 Dylan immediately locked herself in a room.

00:15:34.000 Why didn't she call the police instead of waiting until seven hours later?

00:15:38.000 We don't know that yet, but we will.

00:15:42.000 I guarantee, under cross-examination, we're going to know this.

00:15:46.000 So, one of two things: either this was a staked out Murder on behalf of this alleged psychopath, or he knew the victims and was invited over or spent the night.

00:16:01.000 I certainly hope that this person, this survivor, Dylan Mortensen, is telling the truth.

00:16:10.000 I hope she's telling the truth because her lying could blow up this entire case.

00:16:17.000 Now, thankfully, with a quadruple homicide, with as much public pressure there is here and forensic evidence, if there's a mistrial, they're just going to retry it immediately, right?

00:16:29.000 The chance of this guy, if he did it, which looks like he did, will walk free, is very little to nothing, to almost no, to no way whatsoever.

00:16:41.000 Now, one of the things that really bothers me about this, this story, is, and I understand why they're doing this to a certain extent, but we're going to see how long this holds, is the family of Brian Koberger currently say, look, they promote his presumption of innocence.

00:17:03.000 Everyone gets the presumption of innocence.

00:17:04.000 It's going to have to be proven to 12 fellow citizens.

00:17:10.000 But they say that they are pledging to stay with him throughout the entire legal process to let the process unfold.

00:17:18.000 And as a family, we will love and support our son and brother.

00:17:22.000 We have fully cooperated with law enforcement agencies in an attempt to seek the truth and promote his presumption of innocence rather than judge unknown facts and make erroneous assumptions.

00:17:32.000 Yeah, that bothers me.

00:17:34.000 I'll be honest.

00:17:35.000 I don't look, I'm all in principle with standing with your children.

00:17:40.000 And I'm not saying we know that he did this.

00:17:43.000 We don't.

00:17:44.000 But the evidence seems pretty remarkable.

00:17:50.000 And I'm going to get written up for saying this, but if you just take one look at the guy, he, come on, not exactly someone that is immediately dismissive.

00:18:00.000 The eyes are the windows to the soul.

00:18:01.000 I said it the first time I saw a picture of this guy.

00:18:04.000 Doesn't exactly strike me as a stable person.

00:18:06.000 And by the way, the way he's acted in prison based on now verifiable reports, exposing himself and the outburst, again, not exactly stable.

00:18:15.000 And, you know, we got an email here from somebody where they said, Charlie, I would stand with my children no matter what.

00:18:23.000 And I understand the sentiment and the kind of driving perspective there, but really no matter what, it's this guy is one who flew over the cuckoo's nest.

00:18:33.000 It looks exactly like it.

00:18:34.000 I mean, it's like central casting Jack Nicholas.

00:18:38.000 Sometimes you could just look at somebody and say, yeah, that kind of fits.

00:18:42.000 I know that might sound unfair.

00:18:45.000 It might sound, I don't know what it sounds.

00:18:51.000 But I don't dismiss, let's put it that way, looking at a picture of him.

00:18:57.000 But anyway, his family says, and they've been saying the right things.

00:19:01.000 I don't want to be too harsh on them, but they say we care deeply for the four families who have lost their precious children.

00:19:07.000 There are no words that can adequately express the sadness we feel and pray for each, every one of them.

00:19:11.000 But they say that they're going to stand with their son throughout this entire process.

00:19:16.000 And maybe they are holding out hope that he is innocent.

00:19:21.000 He was a doctoral student in criminal justice and criminology from Washington State University, was known to make creepy and inappropriate comments to female employees and customers at a Pennsylvania brewery.

00:19:32.000 And so, but I hope their parents at some point will reconsider if it ends up being true that he did this.

00:19:41.000 You don't have to stand by your son or daughter if they kill four people.

00:19:47.000 You don't.

00:19:50.000 That would be a big mistake.

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00:19:55.000 I want to get to some questions here that I think will be very interesting.

00:20:02.000 Charlie, I've been starting to read the Bible with Erica's Bible in 365 ministry, by the way, you guys should all check it out.

00:20:10.000 Biblein365.com.

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00:20:15.000 I started in Genesis and I have lots of questions.

00:20:21.000 And it goes on to kind of talk about some of these questions.

00:20:25.000 What do you first make of Genesis 126 and 127?

00:20:29.000 I find this to be a profoundly important verse.

00:20:31.000 Yeah, let me talk a little bit about Genesis.

00:20:33.000 I love the book of Genesis.

00:20:34.000 I could do an entire shows on the book of Genesis.

00:20:38.000 Let's just start with the first verse.

00:20:40.000 It's a remarkable verse.

00:20:43.000 It changes everything.

00:20:44.000 If you believe Genesis 1-1, your politics, your happiness, your joy, your spirit improves dramatically.

00:20:52.000 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

00:20:55.000 That's a big deal.

00:20:58.000 Genesis 1-1 is the game-changing verse.

00:21:03.000 In the Hebrew Bible, the word create is only ever used for God.

00:21:08.000 It is never used for man, ever.

00:21:10.000 The Hebrew word for create, that God created it out of ex nihilo.

00:21:15.000 And what does this mean?

00:21:16.000 It means that God preceded us.

00:21:20.000 It also means that nature is not God, that God created nature.

00:21:24.000 So these earth-worshiping environmentalist pagans, they reject in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

00:21:30.000 If you go even deeper into Genesis 1-1, you realize that what they're stating is that our existence started at a specific moment, but God never started at a specific moment.

00:21:47.000 He always existed.

00:21:49.000 And in Genesis 1-1, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

00:21:52.000 We talked about existential despair.

00:21:54.000 If you believe in Genesis 1-1, you immediately have to acknowledge that your purpose has a reason, that this is not just a random bunch of cells, that there is an objective moral order, that you are here for a purpose.

00:22:11.000 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

00:22:13.000 He did not create it because he was bored or because he wanted that fun.

00:22:18.000 By the way, those are fine reasons.

00:22:19.000 He's God.

00:22:19.000 He can do whatever he wants, but you are here for a purpose.

00:22:24.000 Genesis 1-1 changes everything.

00:22:26.000 It also shows that God is outside of time and of nature, which, by the way, Einstein's theory of relativity proved.

00:22:34.000 Now, Genesis 1.26 and 127 is probably the most important verse that applies to politics today.

00:22:41.000 And you might say, what is Genesis 1.26?

00:22:43.000 That's okay if you don't know.

00:22:45.000 Let us.

00:22:47.000 That's very interesting, right?

00:22:48.000 So God says it in the plural.

00:22:50.000 Let us create man in our image.

00:22:53.000 Now, what is the us?

00:22:54.000 Now, in Judaism, they have, rabbis will agree, they have difficulty explaining this, the let us.

00:23:02.000 In Christianity, we don't because we think it is a reference to the Trinity.

00:23:05.000 Let us, God in three parts, the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

00:23:09.000 Now, the let us could be talking to animals.

00:23:12.000 It could be the royal we in kind of rabbi mystical tradition.

00:23:17.000 It could be God talking to the angels.

00:23:20.000 I'm a Christian, so I believe let us is a kind of a foreshadowing to the Trinity.

00:23:26.000 Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, that they may rule over the fish and the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock, and of all the wild animals, over all the creatures and move along the ground.

00:23:37.000 That's a big deal.

00:23:39.000 That means nature is there for you.

00:23:42.000 That you are not an animal.

00:23:43.000 That mankind is made in the image of the creator himself.

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00:24:53.000 In Genesis 1:27, so God created man in his own image, in the image of God, created him, male and female.

00:24:58.000 He created them.

00:25:00.000 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it.

00:25:04.000 It's the first command from God to man is to be fruitful and multiply and have dominion over the fish in the sea, over the fowl of the air, and over everything that has moved upon the earth.

00:25:13.000 It's interesting.

00:25:14.000 God created man first, and then he said, It is not good for man to be alone.

00:25:18.000 Boy, is there a lot of wisdom to that?

00:25:19.000 Look at all the damage that young men do if they are alone to society.

00:25:24.000 They do to themselves.

00:25:25.000 Most suicides in America are young men that young men do while joining terrorist groups that are unmarried and single, school shooters.

00:25:37.000 It is not good for man to be alone.

00:25:39.000 And boy, do we know that to be true.

00:25:41.000 It's interesting.

00:25:42.000 There's only one verse for the creation of man.

00:25:45.000 There are six verses for the creation of woman.

00:25:50.000 In fact, you have to read Genesis through a certain lens that it is a refutation of polytheism.

00:25:58.000 You see, there were all these pagan belief systems before the Bible, before the Torah, before God's chosen people, the Jews.

00:26:06.000 And the belief systems that were permeating most of the river civilizations were pagan.

00:26:16.000 And they did have some similar narratives, but they were very unique.

00:26:19.000 For example, people say, oh, there's a flood story in every single tradition.

00:26:22.000 Yeah, okay.

00:26:23.000 So you take the Gilgamesh flood story.

00:26:25.000 It's completely and totally different.

00:26:27.000 For example, in the biblical account of the flood story, when God said, let the flood be, he's unmoved by it.

00:26:38.000 In the Gilgamesh account, they can't believe the horror that they allowed to be unleashed on the earth.

00:26:44.000 There are completely different types of depictions of God.

00:26:46.000 One is polytheistic and has kind of a frenetic depiction of God, and the Jewish or the one in the Torah is one that is much more stable and sovereign.

00:26:59.000 But polytheism is a very dangerous belief.

00:27:02.000 It is.

00:27:03.000 For one simple, if you have many gods, then you have many moralities.

00:27:07.000 Everyone will do what is right in their own eyes.

00:27:10.000 Ethical monotheism, which is Christianity and Judaism, ethical monotheism is there is a singular morality.

00:27:20.000 Now, that's not to say that in every situation, there's always a very clear-cut situation between right and wrong, but without a belief in God, then you end up making your own morality.

00:27:30.000 So anyway, to answer your question, I think two of the most important Verses in Genesis are Genesis 1, 1 and Genesis 1, 26 and 127, and then Genesis 50, 20, for what you meant for evil, God will use for good.

00:27:45.000 That is a paraphrase.

00:27:46.000 That is not an exact word for a word.

00:27:49.000 But Genesis 1 through 11 was largely written for the people in the time, people of the time, to refute pagan polytheism, to show that there is a singular God that predates time.

00:28:05.000 It's a big deal.

00:28:07.000 Okay, let's get to some more questions here.

00:28:09.000 Email me your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:28:13.000 That is freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:28:16.000 Someone says, Charlie, I love this.

00:28:17.000 Preach on.

00:28:18.000 We need more of this.

00:28:18.000 How about one segment a day?

00:28:20.000 Yeah, I'd be happy to share my thoughts on the Bible.

00:28:26.000 If it's interesting, I don't know.

00:28:27.000 I think our ratings will plummet.

00:28:29.000 But if I do a little here and there, then so be it.

00:28:33.000 Charlie, good afternoon.

00:28:34.000 I've heard you talk about the Bible and God in your clips from conferences during breaks while listening live.

00:28:38.000 I've never heard you speak on these things live.

00:28:40.000 Well, you got to listen more.

00:28:41.000 As a new listener, starting the weeks leading up to 2021, I heard it's very refreshing to hear the word of God mixed into your commentary as a fellow Christian.

00:28:48.000 The mi-you, that's a fun word, of current events.

00:28:50.000 The word of God balanced all things and helps mentally, as you know.

00:28:53.000 Thanks for bringing the word today.

00:28:54.000 I don't expect to be a pastoral figure, but glad to hear your heart on this.

00:28:58.000 Yeah, look, I'm not a pastor.

00:28:59.000 I just, I love the Bible.

00:29:01.000 And even if you don't believe the Bible is the word of God, it is unmistakably a beautiful text.

00:29:08.000 And if you don't love beautiful things, then you're really misguided.

00:29:12.000 There is so much complexity.

00:29:15.000 There is so much to be discovered.

00:29:17.000 And just if you just study Genesis 1 through 11, it will be infinitely interesting.

00:29:25.000 The profundity, the fascination of it.

00:29:28.000 It makes Shakespeare seem like child's play.

00:29:31.000 And Shakespeare is probably the most beautiful, the most beautiful plays and works of art written in the English language.

00:29:37.000 So I encourage you to have an open mind and to learn as much as you can.

00:29:40.000 And we'll share the wisdom that we learn here.

00:29:42.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:29:46.000 Someone says, Charlie, I love the Bible lesson.

00:29:48.000 Are you starting to write a book about the Sabbath?

00:29:50.000 You know what?

00:29:51.000 I promised I would, and I've made no progress on it, except I have really heart, I've clarified my thoughts on a lot of this on the Sabbath.

00:30:02.000 And the more I think about it, and the more I actually practice the Sabbath, the more I recognize how beautiful and important it is and what a disservice it is to yourself and to your relationship with the Lord not to honor the Sabbath if you're a Christian.

00:30:17.000 So Shabbat, which is the proper term in Judaism, literally means in Hebrew, stopped or ceased.

00:30:25.000 So the Sabbath needs to be basically the ceasing of work, that it is God's ceasing of work.

00:30:31.000 The Sabbath is the most holy ritual in Judaism.

00:30:36.000 It is not the most holy day.

00:30:38.000 Yom Kippur, which Yom literally means time in Hebrew, is the most holy day, day of atonement, which I think is a beautiful tradition.

00:30:50.000 The Sabbath is the only ritual that is in the Ten Commandments.

00:30:53.000 Now, some Christians struggle with the Sabbath for good reason, because they will say it is the only one of the Ten Commandments that Jesus did not say that we were bound to.

00:31:08.000 That is correct.

00:31:10.000 However, he never said you should dishonor the Sabbath.

00:31:14.000 Now, if you believe Jesus is God, of which I do, I do believe in the divinity of Jesus, and you believe that God rested on the seventh day, therefore you believe that the Sabbath actually predated Jesus, all being God, one God in three parts.

00:31:35.000 Now, the argument for the Sabbath is very simple: six out of seven days you can work as hard as you want to, but one out of seven you must reflect and enjoy.

00:31:46.000 Now, the Sabbath, interestingly enough, is the only one of the Ten Commandments that, when repeated in the book of Deuteronomy, Moses changes the reason for it.

00:31:59.000 In the original reading of the Ten Commandments, so the Ten Commandments is mentioned twice in the Torah, Torah, which means teacher, by the way.

00:32:06.000 Torah, parent, and teacher are all the same word in biblical Hebrew, which is an interesting thing.

00:32:12.000 Parent literally means teacher in Biblical Hebrew.

00:32:18.000 So take your role seriously as a parent.

00:32:21.000 In Exodus, when God gives the Ten Commandments, the original reason why Moses says we should do this, transmitted from God, is that God rested, therefore we should rest.

00:32:33.000 But when he repeats the Ten Commandments in the book of Deuteronomy, he changes the reason.

00:32:39.000 He says, guys, you're not slaves anymore.

00:32:43.000 Therefore, why should you work every single day?

00:32:46.000 Same commandment, different reason.

00:32:49.000 Now, the rabbis go nuts trying to explain this.

00:32:53.000 They have their own interpretations, but I think it's very clear they weren't honoring the Sabbath.

00:32:59.000 It's very simple that between the first transmission of the Ten Commandments and the second repeating of it, that they were obviously still working all seven days.

00:33:08.000 And Moses needed to refine the argument a little bit, saying, guys, you're no longer slaves.

00:33:15.000 And the argument he was making is only slaves work seven days a week.

00:33:18.000 You deserve rest.

00:33:21.000 Now, look, if you work all the time, what Moses was saying is that you are no different than a slave.

00:33:27.000 There's no moral differentiation between you and a slave.

00:33:30.000 Keeping the Sabbath, at least the way I do it, and the way that I think most Orthodox Jews do it, and I know a lot of Christians that honor the Sabbath, it keeps the idea alive that God created the heavens and the earth.

00:33:47.000 When you honor the Sabbath in traditional Judaism, you do something called the kaddush, which is giving a testimony or an oath.

00:33:56.000 And you stand up when you do this, by the way, saying that God created the world.

00:34:03.000 Now, if you want to go even deeper in this and how fascinating this is, God made time holy.

00:34:14.000 Think about that.

00:34:15.000 We have holy places, we have holy foods, we have holy words, but God introduced the idea of making time holy.

00:34:31.000 God built a cathedral in time.

00:34:36.000 That's profound.

00:34:38.000 That God built a place of worship within our own time because God knew our nature.

00:34:48.000 And in some ways, it's interesting throughout Genesis, God is not exactly thrilled with our nature, tends to be rebellious.

00:34:59.000 When Noah gets off the ark, it's a great verse in Genesis 6.

00:35:05.000 I'm sure we could look it up.

00:35:06.000 Where God's like, look, your heart is broken from your youth.

00:35:10.000 And by the way, God didn't say that when he first created Adam.

00:35:15.000 But soon to be, it's not as if God learned it, but it was demonstrated.

00:35:20.000 Because God was, it actually says in the Bible, God was saddened by what Cain did.

00:35:25.000 God was saddened by what Adam did.

00:35:27.000 God was saddened as to what humanity did.

00:35:30.000 And he said, I'm going to find the one righteous man amongst this generation.

00:35:33.000 This Noah guy seems to have his act together.

00:35:35.000 Give him 120 years to build an ark and start over.

00:35:41.000 Here it is.

00:35:41.000 Thank you.

00:35:42.000 The Lord saw the great wickedness of the human race and had become on the earth.

00:35:46.000 And that every inclination of thoughts of human heart was only evil all the time.

00:35:50.000 Pause.

00:35:51.000 What is the big debate that happens on American universities?

00:35:55.000 That humans are basically good.

00:35:58.000 Christian or Jewish, Judeo-Christian beliefs have a belief that human beings are not basically good.

00:36:11.000 Again, every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil at the time.

00:36:19.000 The Lord regretted that he made human beings on the earth and his heart was deeply troubled.

00:36:25.000 Now, if you really want to go deep, we could talk about original sin and Eve, who is just lied to by the serpent or Satan.

00:36:38.000 Can you get the Eve dialogue with the snake?

00:36:40.000 It's very interesting when you go through it.

00:36:42.000 As you can tell, I've been spending a lot of time in Genesis, really studying the commentaries and getting back to the original Hebrew.

00:36:49.000 It's infinitely nourishing.

00:36:51.000 And by the way, if you're looking for purpose in your life, go study something that's been around for a while and really study it.

00:36:58.000 Humble yourself.

00:37:01.000 Boy, do I need to do that in front of the scripture, in front of the text, and say, what is it trying to teach me here?

00:37:07.000 And boy, you learn and you derive that God created a cathedral in time.

00:37:11.000 Maybe you say, maybe what I'm doing is not as important as honoring the idea that God created the heavens and the earth.

00:37:16.000 That's a big deal.

00:37:17.000 Okay, so this is interesting because it kind of goes back to the original fall, which is God created us innocent in a state of innocence, almost like children when you think about it.

00:37:27.000 That's why they weren't ashamed of their nudity.

00:37:29.000 Children are not ashamed of their nudity.

00:37:32.000 And so the woman said to the serpent, this is so interesting.

00:37:37.000 We may eat the fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, you must not eat the fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden.

00:37:43.000 You must not touch it.

00:37:44.000 God never said you couldn't touch it.

00:37:47.000 So either Eve is misremembering or the woman.

00:37:49.000 The woman is not named Eve at the time.

00:37:51.000 It's just called the woman, which, by the way, is not a derogatory way of reading the text.

00:37:56.000 But God never said you couldn't touch it.

00:37:58.000 So that was a misrepresentation.

00:38:00.000 But then, of course, the serpent lied.

00:38:02.000 It's what Satan does.

00:38:04.000 Satan means prosecutor, by the way, in Hebrew.

00:38:08.000 For God knows that when you do eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God knowing good and evil.

00:38:17.000 So that's just a complete lie.

00:38:21.000 That's what he does.

00:38:22.000 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.

00:38:31.000 Little kind of small pet peeve of mine.

00:38:33.000 We don't know it was an apple.

00:38:34.000 People say it's an apple.

00:38:35.000 You're inferring.

00:38:35.000 We don't know.

00:38:36.000 We just know that it's fruit.

00:38:37.000 Anyway, she also gave some to her husband who was with her and he ate it.

00:38:43.000 Then both of their eyes were opened and they realized they were naked.

00:38:47.000 And so by eating the fruit, there was a conscious decision that we want to know it all even with pain.

00:38:56.000 We want to leave this state of innocence and comfort that God has designed for us.

00:39:01.000 We want free will.

00:39:04.000 So they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

00:39:07.000 One of my favorite script verses.

00:39:09.000 The man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden.

00:39:14.000 And this is the most, if you want an example of the most rhetorical question in the history of dialogue, because it's God, he knows the answer.

00:39:22.000 He says, Where are you?

00:39:24.000 And it gets very interesting.

00:39:25.000 He says, I heard you in the garden.

00:39:27.000 I was afraid I was naked.

00:39:28.000 So I hit.

00:39:28.000 And of course, God says, Who told you that you were naked?

00:39:30.000 Basically, they became self-aware.

00:39:33.000 Isn't that what happens when kids get older?

00:39:37.000 The man said, The woman put you here with me.

00:39:41.000 This is one of the great quotes in the entire Bible.

00:39:44.000 What does the man immediately do?

00:39:45.000 Blame his wife.

00:39:47.000 It's your fault, God.

00:39:48.000 You gave me the woman.

00:39:51.000 The woman you put me with, she gave me some fruit for the tree and I ate it.

00:39:54.000 Then the Lord God said to the woman, What is this you've done?

00:39:58.000 And of course, she blames the serpent, saying, He deceived me and I ate, which is true.

00:40:02.000 The serpent did deceive her.

00:40:04.000 So then the Lord God said to the serpent, Curse you above all animals, all widestock, you'll crawl on your belly, eat dusk, you'll eat enmity between you and the woman.

00:40:13.000 From that point forward, there was a decision that was made of, I want to leave this place of innocence.

00:40:22.000 I want to get to a place of choice, of knowledge of good and evil.

00:40:28.000 There's a lot more there that we can unpack.

00:40:30.000 Someone says, Charlie, in the beginning, God created Elohim, God in the plural sense, Bahra, created from non-existing material, the heavens and the earth.

00:40:37.000 That is correct.

00:40:38.000 He created it ex nihilo.

00:40:40.000 He created from non-existing material.

00:40:42.000 He created something.

00:40:43.000 Someone says here, Adam and Eve could not be ashamed of being nude, nude and nakedness are not the same thing as nakedness is unclothed and shameful state, where nude is being exposed without such shame as a baby or Adam and even the garden.

00:40:54.000 So they're unable to be naked until they sinned.

00:40:56.000 It's an interesting thought.

00:40:58.000 Charlie, what do you think is the most underappreciated verse in Genesis?

00:41:03.000 Underappreciated?

00:41:04.000 Genesis 5:1.

00:41:06.000 For example, if you say that the most important verse in the Bible is to love, well, first, love God, okay?

00:41:13.000 But let's say love your neighbor as yourself.

00:41:15.000 That is a traditional Old Testament belief.

00:41:18.000 Love your neighbor as yourself.

00:41:20.000 It's easier to love your neighbor as yourself if you understand you all come from the same genealogy.

00:41:26.000 And what does Genesis 5:1 say?

00:41:28.000 This is the genealogy of Noah.

00:41:31.000 Someone says here, now this is a very interesting thing.

00:41:33.000 Now, some Christians will consider this to be heretical.

00:41:38.000 No, I shouldn't say that, not heretical, but it's like you're not even allowed to say this.

00:41:41.000 It's a thought crime, but I'm going to say it anyway.

00:41:43.000 Elizabeth says on our Rumble feed, I would have totally eaten the fruit.

00:41:49.000 I think if we're honest with ourselves, I would too.

00:41:54.000 I think that if the have you ever disobeyed God before?

00:41:59.000 Yes, all of us have.

00:42:02.000 If you were presented with the option of a fruit that could make you knowledgeable of good and evil like God, that would be a very difficult temptation to resist.

00:42:12.000 And if you think it's easy, I hope you could teach me something about self-control and restraint and staying in a place of innocence.

00:42:21.000 It's not always talked about in Christian circles about how the deal is would be tough to refuse.

00:42:29.000 Not necessarily because of the serpent's framing, but of the framing of: do you want to really know the stakes of the game?

00:42:39.000 Or do you want to live in a place of blissful ignorance?

00:42:44.000 You do know that the phrase in English, ignorance is bliss, is derived from the state of nature that is depicted in the Garden of Eden.

00:42:56.000 Charlie, the Sabbath is Sabbath, Sabbath is not in the King James Version, but Sabbath is referenced twice as the Lord of the Sabbath, Rome, and James.

00:43:05.000 Jesus broke the Sabbath at all times on earth.

00:43:08.000 The letter of the law kills, but the spirit gives life.

00:43:11.000 What do you think about this?

00:43:11.000 That is correct.

00:43:12.000 Jesus did break the Sabbath, but he's God, so he can do whatever he wants.

00:43:17.000 So if you look at it consistently, he created the Sabbath and honored the Sabbath when he created the earth, but he also dishonored it, not dishonored it, but he broke it when he was on earth.

00:43:30.000 Let me say this differently.

00:43:31.000 I don't think you're bound by the Sabbath.

00:43:33.000 I don't.

00:43:34.000 As a Christian, I'm not saying that.

00:43:36.000 But I don't think that we were, I don't think that as Christians, we were created for the Sabbath.

00:43:43.000 I think the Sabbath was created for us.

00:43:46.000 I can say this from personal experience of honoring the Sabbath.

00:43:49.000 It makes the other commandments easier.

00:43:53.000 And if those of you say, Charlie, I struggle with time management.

00:43:58.000 I'm sure a lot of you say that, Charlie, I do not have enough time.

00:44:01.000 Then you need to tithe your time to God.

00:44:04.000 A lot of Christians are very good at tithing their resources, but are we good at tithing our time?

00:44:12.000 That's a serious question.

00:44:15.000 Okay, we're getting a lot of questions about Genesis.

00:44:17.000 That's interesting.

00:44:18.000 I'll do my best to answer them.

00:44:20.000 Charlie, are you fluent in biblical Hebrew?

00:44:22.000 Not even close.

00:44:23.000 I know like 10 words and I forget them.

00:44:25.000 So not even close.

00:44:26.000 I do study them and I go to the original translation because I find it very interesting.

00:44:30.000 And I love, love reading the biblical commentaries on them.

00:44:36.000 They're fascinating.

00:44:37.000 Dennis Prager's Biblical Commentary, Rational Bible, is just terrific.

00:44:40.000 It really is.

00:44:43.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:44:44.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:44:48.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

00:44:53.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 09, 2023

Ask Charlie Anything 130: What Drove the Idaho Killer? House Deal, Scam or Steal? Where Do We Find Meaning?

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