The Charlie Kirk Show - May 08, 2023


Ask Charlie Anything 145: Was 2020 a Conspiracy? Why Did Vice Media Fail? Is Prager Wrong on Porn?

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Harry Reid Donald Trump John Brennan John Solomon Hunter Biden Joe Biden Dennis Prager Politico Mark Zuckerberg Mitt Romney Mike Morrell George Soros Ben Mintz Koch Producer Andrew Roger Goodell Charles Woke Dave Bratt Jay Snowden Gary Wilson and 25 more
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A new piece of evidence points to a secret shadow campaign to influence the 2020 election by the CIA, the FBI, the DOJ, and the Justice Department. It's called the dark side of the dark web, and it's been around for a long time.

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00:01:06.000 Mark from Maine.
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00:01:14.000 Mark says, Charlie, I'm furious.
00:01:17.000 I'm uncontrollably mad about the latest John Solomon story.
00:01:20.000 What is your reaction?
00:01:21.000 Can you please talk about this?
00:01:22.000 Yeah, I actually did mean to talk about it.
00:01:24.000 This is very important.
00:01:25.000 So John Solomon, who's a great reporter from justthenews.com, has obtained an email.
00:01:30.000 John Solomon has obtained an email all around the campaign, which in itself was disinformation.
00:01:36.000 That's what's so ironic about all this.
00:01:39.000 The campaign to suppress the laptop was itself disinformation when they were trying to call the story around the Hunter Biden laptop disinformation.
00:01:48.000 A damning email obtained by John Solomon shows that former acting CIA director Mike Morrell asked Obama-era CIA director John Brennan.
00:01:56.000 Remember John Brennan?
00:01:57.000 Bad guy.
00:01:58.000 If he could add his name to the infamous letter signed by 51 intelligence agents, officials expressly to help the Biden campaign in the email was said, quote, trying to give the campaign during the debate on Thursday a talking point to push back on Trump on this issue.
00:02:15.000 Now, I'm going to play this piece of Solomon tape and then I'm going to play the tape of the debate because it's shot and chaser like you wouldn't believe.
00:02:21.000 It's one after the other.
00:02:22.000 So I want to make sure we have all the tapes lined up for that.
00:02:25.000 But this did not just impact the debate.
00:02:28.000 This Politico story that was synthetic, that was artificial, that was AstroTurf, was also used for social media censorship.
00:02:39.000 My Twitter account, I lost access to my Twitter account because I talked about the laptop.
00:02:43.000 And Twitter said, well, according to Politico, this was Russian disinformation.
00:02:48.000 Now, should I say Politico's credit?
00:02:51.000 No.
00:02:51.000 But they actually did not even read the Politico article.
00:02:55.000 Politico was even careful enough to, can we get the actual Politico article here?
00:02:59.000 Politico said that the 51 intelligence agents think that this is a tactic that looks like Russian disinformation.
00:03:07.000 Therefore, it might be.
00:03:08.000 They were just, they were implying that it's Russian disinformation.
00:03:11.000 But so here's what's amazing.
00:03:12.000 You read the political story, which, by the way, one of the great disservices in journalism is this politico story.
00:03:18.000 They've never apologized or corrected.
00:03:20.000 More than 50 former Intel officials signed a letter casting doubt on the providence of a New York Post story.
00:03:28.000 And here's what they say.
00:03:29.000 It's amazing.
00:03:30.000 Saying it has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.
00:03:37.000 They didn't say that was Russian information, but it has the classic earmarks of a Russian disinformation operation.
00:03:44.000 Now, we were ranting on our show at the time.
00:03:47.000 We were a new show, by the way, at the time.
00:03:49.000 You know that we were only a couple weeks into it.
00:03:51.000 The Charlie Kirk show is only a couple weeks old on radio.
00:03:54.000 We were about two years old, two and a half years old on podcast.
00:03:57.000 And so we were still new.
00:03:58.000 I remember being on air and we were like, oh, this is totally coordinated.
00:04:02.000 This is centralized.
00:04:03.000 And we didn't have the goods to prove it.
00:04:06.000 But this is just like the Time magazine Molly Ball article, the secret shadow campaign, the shadow campaign that saved, saved the 2020 election.
00:04:15.000 This was not the Chinese Communist Party.
00:04:18.000 This was not the Venezuelans.
00:04:19.000 This was not Kim Jong-un.
00:04:21.000 Who needs the Kremlin when your own government spreads disinformation to impact an election?
00:04:28.000 I cannot express to you the treason that this is.
00:04:32.000 They use their intelligence credibility.
00:04:35.000 They used their titles.
00:04:37.000 They used their stature.
00:04:39.000 They used their own positions to intentionally interfere with an election.
00:04:46.000 That very well, this information could have been decisive.
00:04:50.000 Poll after poll after poll shows that if this information would have allowed to go into the zeitgeist the same way Hillary Clinton emails went into the zeitgeist in 2016 election, Joe Biden might not have been president.
00:05:05.000 They had 2020 planned perfectly, in their own opinion.
00:05:08.000 Mail-in ballots, Zuckerbergs, lockdowns, go after Trump, overplay the COVID deaths with those ridiculous scoreboard of COVID deaths on CNN.
00:05:19.000 The COVID death scoreboard?
00:05:19.000 Remember that?
00:05:21.000 It magically went away as soon as Trump went out of office.
00:05:24.000 The nonstop, the COVID porn, if you will, mom and dad dying and grandma dying and there's no hope in sight.
00:05:32.000 It was all a game.
00:05:34.000 It was all coordinated.
00:05:35.000 Mark Elias holding weekly strategy sessions, Floyd Apalooza, the looting, the murder, the arson.
00:05:42.000 They were trying to create a pressure valve, a make it stop, because defeating an incumbent is very hard. 0.59
00:05:47.000 And Donald Trump was like right there despite all the nonsense and the signature verification issues and all that crap, all of it.
00:05:53.000 But out of nowhere, it emerged, it emerged this problem. 0.97
00:05:59.000 The crackhead, Hunter Biden, left a laptop in Delaware.
00:06:04.000 It was putting all their plans into whack. 0.83
00:06:06.000 All of Soros' money, Lorene Powell Jobs, Fauci, Rochelle Walensky, the serpent from within, all of the 2020 election with it, the civilization was all coming down to the wire.
00:06:18.000 And then out of nowhere, this laptop emerges and it was a problem.
00:06:22.000 It was a big problem.
00:06:23.000 And they had to stifle it.
00:06:24.000 So they called in every favor, Tony Blinken, Mike Morrell, and it made an impact.
00:06:31.000 If this thing would have allowed to have its organic, just regular flow, if there would have been a regular, organic flow of information, even with all the nonsense, all the shenanigans, all the 2,000 mules, all of it, I think Donald Trump would have won.
00:06:46.000 That's how big this story was.
00:06:48.000 Because the contents of the laptop is what was really important.
00:06:51.000 Okay, with all of that lead up, let's play John Solomon reporting on this.
00:06:55.000 Very important.
00:06:56.000 And then we'll play the shot and chaser.
00:06:58.000 Please first play Cut 125.
00:07:01.000 Just a short while ago, Jessic News obtained this email.
00:07:04.000 This is a very important email.
00:07:05.000 It comes from the former CIA director, Mike Murrell.
00:07:08.000 Yes, the guy that organized that letter from the 51 intelligence professionals who tried to fake you into thinking that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation when it wasn't.
00:07:18.000 It is between him and John Brennan, one of the signatories.
00:07:21.000 This is just before the presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
00:07:27.000 Hunter Biden's laptop is flinging out there.
00:07:30.000 This is what Mike Murrell, former CIA director, tells his successor, John Brennan, hey, sign this letter because I'm, quote, trying to give the campaign, particularly during the debate on Thursday, a talking point to push back on Trump on this issue.
00:07:46.000 Let's put all the ballot issues aside.
00:07:48.000 Let's just put Zuckerbucks aside.
00:07:50.000 Let's pretend there was not a fraudulent ballot or a signature verification issue or any of that.
00:07:56.000 I think even a Democrat and an honest Democrat, because some of these Democrats are so just so hypnotized.
00:08:05.000 Do you understand why people think the 2020 election was stolen?
00:08:09.000 I mean, how can you not see that email and then watch what I'm about to play for you and not say, you know what, I understand why people believe it's stolen?
00:08:17.000 You might disagree, but to call these people insurrectionists, great lie perpetrators, you have now an email of former CIA chiefs saying, yes, I'm happy to sign my name to something I know is not true to help Joe Biden in a debate.
00:08:31.000 I think this is a worthy cause.
00:08:33.000 I think it's a worthy cause is what John Brennan says.
00:08:35.000 Shot and Chaser, Joe Biden reads his script.
00:08:35.000 And guess what?
00:08:39.000 They gave him the talking point, Play Cut 126.
00:08:42.000 There are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this he's accusing me of is a Russian plan.
00:08:50.000 They have said that this has all the care. 0.99
00:08:53.000 Four, five former heads of the CIA, both parties, say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage. 0.98
00:09:00.000 Nobody believes it except his and his good friend, Rudy Gianni. 0.96
00:09:04.000 Anybody that says, oh, Charlie, you really think that there's some sort of uniparty running our government?
00:09:09.000 He just told you there is.
00:09:11.000 You get five former CIA officials to sign a fraudulent letter.
00:09:17.000 Yeah, there's a cabal.
00:09:19.000 Heck yeah, man.
00:09:21.000 Five former CIA heads from both parties.
00:09:24.000 Don't let them smear you and call a conspiracy theorist.
00:09:27.000 This is it.
00:09:28.000 Joe Biden was like, oh, I mean, you're trying to tell me basically what Joe Biden was saying, like, even everybody agreed, five former CIA people.
00:09:35.000 And now we have the goods.
00:09:36.000 We have the email.
00:09:37.000 They knew it was a lie and they needed to get rid of Donald Trump because he was an existential threat to the unconstitutional administrative state.
00:09:45.000 This was the administrative state.
00:09:47.000 When we talk about the fourth branch of government, we talk about all that.
00:09:49.000 This is the administrative state.
00:09:51.000 And yeah, I'm sorry, I'm going to keep on saying it over and over again.
00:09:54.000 People say, well, Charlie, come to my events.
00:09:55.000 Do you think the 2020 election was rigged?
00:09:57.000 Heck yeah, I think it was rigged.
00:09:59.000 Look at this.
00:10:00.000 You have former CIA officials signing letters, use this censorship material on absolute lies.
00:10:07.000 If that's not rigged, I don't know what is rigged.
00:10:09.000 And I'm not even getting into the ballot.
00:10:10.000 The ballot stuff is an infinite reservoir of treachery.
00:10:14.000 This was a conspiracy, an actual conspiracy.
00:10:18.000 People should go to jail.
00:10:19.000 We should have perp walks.
00:10:21.000 We should have security clearances revoked. 1.00
00:10:23.000 We should have public humiliation, public humiliation of these cockroaches. 0.97
00:10:27.000 I cannot tell you how evil it is what these people did. 0.99
00:10:30.000 And they, you know what?
00:10:31.000 It's the old Harry Reid thing.
00:10:32.000 It worked, didn't it?
00:10:35.000 We're dealing with evil people.
00:10:37.000 I don't say it lightly.
00:10:38.000 I don't like doing these kind of rants and stuff.
00:10:39.000 These are not good people. 1.00
00:10:40.000 These are the scum of the earth. 1.00
00:10:41.000 These are vermin. 1.00
00:10:43.000 And the media, they are protecting them at every corner. 0.96
00:10:45.000 This is not just election interference.
00:10:47.000 This is not just election tampering.
00:10:49.000 This is election reconfiguration and a betrayal to the United States of America.
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00:12:00.000 I mean, I just can't even tell you how, I mean, evil is an overused word, but it's accurate.
00:12:06.000 It's just what these people have done, and they just get away with it. 1.00
00:12:10.000 Harry Reid, scumbag. 0.99
00:12:14.000 Every time I fly into Vegas now, you're now landing at the Harry Reid airport. 1.00
00:12:19.000 It makes me nauseous.
00:12:21.000 Makes me sick.
00:12:22.000 Used to be called McCarran International.
00:12:24.000 They've renamed it to Harry Reid.
00:12:27.000 One of the most evil, again, I got to find another word, deceitful, treacherous, clandestine, Luciferian, whatever word you want to use, people.
00:12:36.000 Treacherous.
00:12:37.000 I got to have a list of synonyms for Harry, you know, just because I don't want to use the same word over and over again, but you're welcome to email me your descriptions.
00:12:46.000 He was a criminal, outright.
00:12:47.000 He designed the culinary union takeover of Clark County, Nevada.
00:12:50.000 Beautiful state, great people, been taken over by just these absolute radicals.
00:12:53.000 It's a shame.
00:12:56.000 I still have hope for Nevada more than I do other states.
00:12:59.000 That's a separate, that's a different topic for another time.
00:13:04.000 Harry Reid on the Senate floor said Mitt Romney didn't pay his taxes.
00:13:11.000 Pure Machiavellian lie.
00:13:13.000 And this was spread all over the place.
00:13:14.000 So Dana Bash from CNN says, hey, you know, this is not good.
00:13:18.000 This might be McCarthyite. 1.00
00:13:20.000 And if you look at Harry Reid, that's scumbag. 0.99
00:13:23.000 He looks down and he kind of shrugs his shoulders and he smirks. 0.99
00:13:26.000 It's because a body language tells you everything. 0.98
00:13:28.000 This good for nothing scum rat looks down and he basically set the tone. 0.94
00:13:33.000 He trained a legion of Democrats on the lack of morality or it's pure Machiavellianism. 0.99
00:13:39.000 Who cares as long as we win?
00:13:41.000 Just win, baby.
00:13:42.000 Doesn't matter if you have your lie your way to the top. 0.98
00:13:45.000 Play cut 128.
00:13:46.000 This right here, this way of governing, this philosophy is everywhere in the Democrat Party.
00:13:54.000 He just happened to say the quiet part out loud, play cut 128.
00:13:57.000 No one would help me.
00:13:58.000 They were afraid the Koch brothers would go after them.
00:14:00.000 So I did it on my own.
00:14:01.000 So no regrets about Mitt Romney, about the Koch brothers.
00:14:04.000 Some people have even called it McCarthyite.
00:14:08.000 Well, they call it whatever they want.
00:14:12.000 Romney didn't win, did he?
00:14:14.000 Romney didn't win, did he?
00:14:16.000 And on the other hand, the other issue worked too.
00:14:18.000 The Koch brothers are now the Woke brothers.
00:14:21.000 Well, one of them's dead, but the other one, Charles, it might as well be Charles Woke.
00:14:25.000 Fun and all sorts of SJW.
00:14:27.000 It's not me.
00:14:27.000 Just go to AmericanMind.com.
00:14:29.000 It's called The New Coke.
00:14:30.000 All about racial reconciliation and diversity and getting rid of talks on economic liberty because Harry Reid went after him hard. 0.94
00:14:38.000 Chuck Hugh Schumer went after the Kokes hard, and they wanted to be liked. 1.00
00:14:41.000 Here's a thought experiment. 1.00
00:14:44.000 And I'm writing a new book that will come out near Christmas.
00:14:48.000 And this is the question.
00:14:51.000 Should we emulate the Harry Reid model?
00:14:54.000 That's worthy of some reflection.
00:14:56.000 Let's tie this all back, right?
00:14:57.000 So Harry Reid says that.
00:14:58.000 It worked.
00:14:59.000 That's how they justified.
00:15:01.000 Right now, John Brennan and all these people, they're looking at the story and they're smirking.
00:15:05.000 They're like, well, it worked.
00:15:06.000 We took back the government.
00:15:07.000 We took back the government from Donald Trump.
00:15:10.000 Joe Rogan weighed in on this.
00:15:11.000 Play Cut 127.
00:15:13.000 Like there was a lot of attention on Twitter during the election because of the Hunter Biden laptop story.
00:15:20.000 The Neo-West too.
00:15:21.000 Yeah, so you guys censored that as well?
00:15:24.000 I mean, basically, the background here is the FBI, I think, basically came to us, some folks on our team, and was like, hey, just so you know, like, you should be on high alert.
00:15:34.000 There was, we, we thought that there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election.
00:15:39.000 We have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump of that's similar to that.
00:15:48.000 So just be vigilant.
00:15:50.000 You say the distribution has decreased.
00:15:52.000 It got shared.
00:15:53.000 How does that work?
00:15:53.000 It basically, the ranking in Newsfeed was a little bit less.
00:15:56.000 So fewer people saw it than would have otherwise.
00:15:59.000 So it definitely, by what percentage?
00:16:02.000 I don't know off the top of my head, but it's meaningful.
00:16:06.000 So there's Zuckerberg.
00:16:07.000 I remember when I first saw this clip, I was in the hospital a couple of days after our baby was born.
00:16:11.000 I was furious.
00:16:12.000 We had the news on, and I was furious at Mark Zuckerberg and all this.
00:16:18.000 What he's saying is, yeah, the FBI was making house visits.
00:16:20.000 They're making house calls.
00:16:21.000 The FBI was coming around and being like, hey, there might be a Russian plot.
00:16:27.000 You need to suppress it.
00:16:29.000 When in reality, it wasn't a Russian plot.
00:16:30.000 It was an American government plot.
00:16:33.000 It wasn't the Kremlin.
00:16:35.000 It wasn't Putin.
00:16:36.000 Who needs Putin when you got John Brennan? 0.96
00:16:39.000 You know, they always say, oh, yeah, this group's a bunch of traitors. 0.98
00:16:42.000 They're the traitors.
00:16:44.000 They're the ones that broke their oath to the country, and they're not going to be held accountable.
00:16:48.000 Not a single of them have lost their security clearance.
00:16:51.000 They're all eating at the unlimited trough of fake money from the federal government and contracts.
00:16:59.000 It is infuriating.
00:17:01.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:17:03.000 Lots of questions to get to here.
00:17:05.000 Spend some time on that, but I believe it was warranted.
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00:17:11.000 The 2020 election was not a fair fight, and they're smirking and they're saying, Well, we won and you lost.
00:17:16.000 Is it time for us to think that way?
00:17:18.000 That's an interesting question.
00:17:19.000 I want to win.
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00:18:26.000 I want to get to Harry's question from Mississippi.
00:18:30.000 Charlie, can you explain the downfall of Vice News?
00:18:35.000 Any thoughts there?
00:18:36.000 Yeah, so it's just been announced today that Vice News is actually going to be bought by George Soros.
00:18:43.000 George Soros, of all people, is purchasing, that's right, Vice Media.
00:18:51.000 Postmillennial.com is reporting bankrupt Vice Media to be acquired by Soros and Fortress Investment Groups.
00:18:57.000 And so I'll riff on this for just a second.
00:18:59.000 We're seeing BuzzFeed news go down.
00:19:00.000 We're seeing a lot of these left-wing groups start to implode.
00:19:03.000 We're seeing media change as we know it.
00:19:05.000 But I think one of the most interesting parts of the Vice story is Vice used to be a legitimately interesting news organization.
00:19:15.000 I remember I first became aware of Vice with some of their incredibly effective and boundary-pushing, gritty YouTube videos that were kind of pseudo-documentaries.
00:19:27.000 They were honest.
00:19:28.000 I remember a couple.
00:19:29.000 In fact, one of the most powerful pieces of film I have ever seen on North Korea was produced by Vice News.
00:19:37.000 Vice News embedded a camera and they went into North Korea.
00:19:41.000 Vice News, I remember, went down to South America and exposed the drug cartels.
00:19:49.000 It's pretty amazing.
00:19:52.000 And they wouldn't do that now.
00:19:54.000 So, Vice News started as very gritty, boundary-pushing, honest.
00:19:58.000 And at one time, Vice News had a valuation between $4 to $5 billion.
00:20:04.000 I remember Vice did documentaries about African cannibal warlords. 0.94
00:20:08.000 It was just like the strangest but honest stories that you could imagine. 1.00
00:20:16.000 They didn't just cover it, they went right into it.
00:20:19.000 Anyway, that's when I first became aware of Vice News.
00:20:21.000 It was like 2012, 2013, very big on YouTube internet culture at the time.
00:20:27.000 And I remember telling our team, it wasn't a very big team at the time at Turning Point, like, wow, they're going to go somewhere.
00:20:32.000 And they certainly looked like it.
00:20:33.000 Four or five billion dollars raised.
00:20:35.000 In fact, I did a couple of Vice News interviews.
00:20:37.000 Vice Media actually covered one of our events.
00:20:40.000 They never published any of the footage of it, which makes me, you know, makes you wonder.
00:20:43.000 Producer Andrew remembers this.
00:20:45.000 It was at Colorado State University in late January, early February 2018, five years ago.
00:20:50.000 I don't know where that footage is, but they never aired it.
00:20:53.000 Maybe it made it look good or whatever.
00:20:54.000 They got sidetracked.
00:20:55.000 And so, but Vice News raised all this money.
00:20:59.000 And Vice decided to become boring because Vice became a victim of their own success.
00:21:07.000 Now, granted, Vice had a lot of management problems, if I remember correctly.
00:21:10.000 They were like the founder of Vice and or like the CEO or the co-partner, whatever.
00:21:15.000 They had all this like sexual harassment stuff.
00:21:16.000 So I'm sure that played a role.
00:21:18.000 But Vice had a channel on HBO or they partnered with HBO for their nightly newscast, if I remember correctly.
00:21:26.000 And it was called like, it was like news brought to you by Vice on HBO.
00:21:30.000 And again, I don't get HBO.
00:21:32.000 Oh, it went to Showtime.
00:21:33.000 I'm sorry.
00:21:33.000 It was on Showtime.
00:21:34.000 I'm sorry.
00:21:34.000 I don't get either of those channels.
00:21:36.000 I only remember it when I was watching, I was in a hotel room and I was watching.
00:21:39.000 I was like, oh, that's interesting.
00:21:40.000 It's Vice.
00:21:40.000 And it was, it started on HBO went to Showtime.
00:21:42.000 Okay, I'm technically correct then.
00:21:44.000 And it just got boring. 0.91
00:21:46.000 It was like, oh, look at this evil Republican and Trump.
00:21:48.000 And Trump really did break a lot of these people. 0.84
00:21:52.000 Trump derangement syndrome.
00:21:53.000 I never liked the term. 0.87
00:21:54.000 I thought it was overly simplified, but it's extraordinarily accurate.
00:21:58.000 I mean, Vice just stopped thinking for themselves.
00:22:01.000 They stopped being interesting.
00:22:03.000 They stopped being anything worth watching.
00:22:06.000 And so now Vice went bankrupt from a $4 or $5 billion valuation. 1.00
00:22:10.000 I mean, there's only so many ways that you can say that Southern Christians are the problem. 0.93
00:22:14.000 I mean, it's just that that market is kind of saturated. 0.99
00:22:17.000 All right.
00:22:17.000 It's boring.
00:22:19.000 And by the way, conservative media is ascendant.
00:22:22.000 We're growing like crazy here on this show.
00:22:25.000 We're very blessed and we're very thankful.
00:22:27.000 Vice News, not the case.
00:22:28.000 Matt Walsh's show is growing like wild.
00:22:32.000 Steve Bannon's show going like clean.
00:22:34.000 I mean, you see the truth tellers are growing like crazy.
00:22:36.000 Vice has collapsed.
00:22:38.000 Now, another story in media that I want to connect to this is: look, I don't really consume a lot of their content.
00:22:43.000 I think some of their people are absolutely hilarious.
00:22:46.000 They're a little bit too profane for me, quite honestly, at times, but I think largely they hit onto something of kind of that young 20-something.
00:22:53.000 I kind of want to let a guy be a guy type mantra.
00:22:56.000 Again, it's not really my shtick all the time, but I certainly, I mean, I have respect for creators.
00:23:00.000 And Barstool for years has been very, very effective.
00:23:04.000 And some of their stuff is outright hilarious.
00:23:05.000 I think Dave Portnay is a legitimate talent.
00:23:08.000 I find him to be very funny most of the time.
00:23:10.000 Obviously, I have different politics in Midtimes, but he's anti-cancel culture, all that. 1.00
00:23:13.000 You know, good for him.
00:23:15.000 And I think they push back against the woke stuff.
00:23:18.000 They do it in a very irreverent way.
00:23:19.000 And they're largely talking about sports, but they talk about culture as well. 0.98
00:23:23.000 Some of their content I find to be really awfully repulsive, like some of those female podcasts, not for me. 0.85
00:23:31.000 But anyway, that's a separate issue. 1.00
00:23:33.000 So, but Barstool sold part of their company recently.
00:23:36.000 And Portnoy, to his credit, came out against a recent real ideological transformation at Barstool.
00:23:43.000 Barstool is known as like the most anti-PC major media company, right?
00:23:48.000 You can go there.
00:23:49.000 You can say basically whatever you want, okay?
00:23:51.000 So investors who own 40-plus brick and mortar casinos have come in and they've already started to kind of buttheads with Portnoy and all that.
00:23:59.000 And at Barstool Sports, the place where you can be irreverent, you can say whatever you want, anti-PC, kind of a middle finger to the man.
00:24:06.000 That's kind of the energy at Barstool.
00:24:08.000 Well, they just fired one of their most popular hosts.
00:24:12.000 I'm not aware of this guy.
00:24:13.000 I've seen some of his videos.
00:24:14.000 It seems a funny guy.
00:24:15.000 I'm sure he's talented and it's hard not to be talented when you work in the competitive environment of Barstool.
00:24:21.000 Obviously, he's got something to say.
00:24:23.000 Ben Mintz, who said the N-word, but only while reciting a rap lyric on a live stream.
00:24:29.000 Literally not saying it in a derogatory way, but saying it.
00:24:32.000 So no one can explain the rules to me.
00:24:34.000 I don't like the word.
00:24:36.000 I don't think people should say it, period. 0.93
00:24:38.000 I'm not defending it, but why is it that white people cannot say it in a rap lyric and black people can? 0.98
00:24:43.000 Why does that rule exist?
00:24:44.000 Why is there a carve out for a certain melanin content of skin to be able to say the word?
00:24:49.000 Doesn't make sense to me.
00:24:50.000 It's not like a, I'm not saying that we should, you know, die on this issue.
00:24:54.000 It's not like civilizational altering.
00:24:56.000 It's perplexing to me.
00:24:57.000 No one can explain it to me while a race gets a certain word and another race doesn't get to say it.
00:25:03.000 Why does a race get to say it?
00:25:04.000 Oh, we reclaimed the word.
00:25:05.000 It's like, yeah, it's kind of weak to me.
00:25:07.000 It's very weak.
00:25:08.000 Okay, but I'm not saying I think it absolutely can be derogatory and insulting and mean and awful and cruel.
00:25:16.000 And if it's said in that way, then you should have to be held accountable to that or at least explain it, right?
00:25:22.000 Again, I'm not big on policing speech.
00:25:24.000 I'm actually largely trying to liberate speech.
00:25:26.000 But reciting a rap lyric has now resulted in Ben Mintz's firing.
00:25:32.000 Penn Entertainment, which acquired 36% of Barstool Sports from the Shernan Group for $163 million in early 2020, bought the remaining 64% for an additional $388 million in February 2021.
00:25:44.000 They also own casinos.
00:25:45.000 Portnay said that he trusts and respects Penn's CEO Jay Snowden's decision-making, but disagrees with the call to fire Mintz.
00:25:51.000 Quote, Penn paid a lot of money for Barstool, and then they have to make the best decision to protect their business.
00:25:55.000 I trust and respect Jay Snowden, and then he makes what he thinks the right move.
00:25:58.000 Elgin Asper doesn't mean I'll always agree.
00:26:00.000 And I don't think I don't have to think or deal with.
00:26:02.000 Look, I mean, for those of you that are supporters of Barstool and you guys view their content, I encourage you to go elsewhere.
00:26:08.000 This is a company that's going to go the way of vice.
00:26:10.000 They're not standing on principle.
00:26:11.000 They're not standing strong.
00:26:12.000 This is a bad move, and it's against everything that made that company popular.
00:26:16.000 Again, not exactly my genre of content.
00:26:18.000 I see their stuff every once in a while.
00:26:19.000 Hard not to laugh, especially, I think, Portnoy's relentless criticism of Roger Goodell is one of the great internet themes I've ever seen because Roger Goodell should be in Gitmo.
00:26:28.000 But I'm kidding.
00:26:29.000 I'm kidding.
00:26:29.000 I'm kidding.
00:26:30.000 Media matters. 0.97
00:26:32.000 He's worse NFL commissioner by far and super corrupt.
00:26:35.000 He's paid like $32 million. 0.94
00:26:37.000 Give me a break.
00:26:37.000 And look, the Barstool bros, they always fail us on social issues.
00:26:41.000 But again, that's not their thing.
00:26:43.000 Okay.
00:26:43.000 I kind of grade on a curve here.
00:26:45.000 I'm more concerned that the ethos of Barstool, like all things, falls apart when the woke mind virus starts to take over.
00:26:51.000 And for a company that was always about free speech and speaking your mind, to fire somebody for reciting a rap lyric, it's cowardly.
00:26:58.000 It's outrageous.
00:26:58.000 It's wrong.
00:27:00.000 And this is why we lose.
00:27:01.000 And I don't think that company should be rewarded any longer.
00:27:02.000 I think Portnoy agrees, by the way.
00:27:04.000 Portnoy even tweeted out.
00:27:05.000 He said, for those of you who say that Barstool is dead, I tried to warn them.
00:27:08.000 And it should be largely, you should reconsider all of your content consumption.
00:27:12.000 I don't think our audience has a lot of overlap with Barstool.
00:27:16.000 But if there is, I can encourage you to reconsider.
00:27:20.000 Okay.
00:27:22.000 Another email here.
00:27:23.000 And by the way, a talent like Portnoy, absent, non-competes and stuff, can go create a new company.
00:27:28.000 The guy's got legitimate.
00:27:29.000 He's a five-star talent.
00:27:30.000 He's hilarious.
00:27:31.000 He gets the internet really well.
00:27:32.000 In fact, he claims he created the internet.
00:27:35.000 Honestly, with what he's built, it's hard to disagree.
00:27:37.000 Okay, so let's go to this here.
00:27:41.000 Okay, so this is, I got a lot of questions.
00:27:42.000 I got a lot of questions on this.
00:27:44.000 So I want to try to find the exact wording here.
00:27:48.000 So from Doug, Charlie, I recently saw a video of Dennis Prager supports watching pornography.
00:27:53.000 Here's the documentation.
00:27:54.000 They were upset I had Dennis on the show, and they said all these mean and nasty things about Dennis Prager.
00:28:00.000 Okay, so I'm going to play the piece of tape here.
00:28:03.000 I disagree with Dennis on this, and I'm going to give you my stance on pornography and talk about the Utah law as well.
00:28:08.000 We have about two minutes remaining here, so I'm going to do my best and then we'll kind of fill this in the best I can.
00:28:13.000 So Dennis Prager has been talking about male sexuality for many years.
00:28:17.000 He has a very, very good lecture on it that he gave in the early 1990s.
00:28:20.000 Most of it is really, really good.
00:28:21.000 And then he talks about pornography where I have some disagreements.
00:28:24.000 In fact, I've voiced my disagreements with him on this.
00:28:26.000 And I said, Dennis, I don't know if you're really pornography of today, I don't think is what you think it was back then.
00:28:32.000 And there's some big changes.
00:28:33.000 And so anyway, Dennis has a saying, which has now gone viral, which is that pornography is not ideal.
00:28:40.000 But if it is used as a way to, as an excuse instead of adultery, it is acceptable.
00:28:46.000 Okay.
00:28:47.000 So in the context of marriage, I have several problems with this.
00:28:51.000 The first problem is I think it really underestimates the absolute mind poison that is pornography.
00:28:57.000 Okay.
00:28:58.000 Any young man, including myself, has, unless they're lying to you, has had some struggle with pornography.
00:29:03.000 Praise God, I've gotten through that.
00:29:05.000 And I've spoken openly about that when we had the porn actor come on the program.
00:29:09.000 It's not something to be messed with or to be trivialized.
00:29:12.000 It is incredibly dangerous to young men.
00:29:17.000 And I'm going to talk, I'm actually going to recommend this book now.
00:29:20.000 I'll recommend it twice.
00:29:21.000 Any parent out there, I encourage you guys to please go read the book, Your Brain on Porn.
00:29:28.000 And it's by Gary Wilson.
00:29:30.000 And again, it changes your brain from being able to have regular dopaminergic receptors to be able to have proper relationships.
00:29:39.000 Again, it's by Gary Wilson.
00:29:41.000 And anything that trivializes the downside of a mass contagion, I think is wrong.
00:29:47.000 And I'm not trying to be morally sanctimonious about it.
00:29:50.000 Almost any man in modern culture has struggled with it.
00:29:54.000 So it is a huge problem.
00:29:56.000 30% of all data transferred online is porn, is pornography.
00:30:00.000 And I have a lot of sympathy, by the way, with people struggling with it.
00:30:03.000 And that's what I think our tone needs to be is like, hey, this is a problem.
00:30:07.000 This is a real addiction.
00:30:08.000 This is something damaging your life.
00:30:10.000 Let's free you from that.
00:30:12.000 Let's not try to create moral excuses or preconditions that could keep you addicted and potentially suffering from it.
00:30:23.000 Welcome back, everybody. 0.52
00:30:25.000 So on this here, so just to understand the distinction here, though, you know, from a Jewish perspective, all that matters is behavior.
00:30:35.000 The Christians believe both behavior and intentions matter.
00:30:37.000 And I see Dennis's perspective on this, but intentions can matter a lot. 0.63
00:30:43.000 And they matter a lot for sentencing, for example, of murder.
00:30:48.000 Is it first-degree murder?
00:30:49.000 Is it manslaughter?
00:30:50.000 Is it sexual?
00:30:50.000 Intentions do have some calculation, and they should have some calculation.
00:30:55.000 It doesn't matter, though, if you're trying to judge a major evil. 0.99
00:30:58.000 For example, when Thomas was competing against males, it doesn't matter if she meant or he meant well, because woman doesn't matter. 0.97
00:31:04.000 Okay, so I want to play a piece of tape here. 1.00
00:31:07.000 Let's play cut 130.
00:31:08.000 This is Prager's debate back and forth.
00:31:10.000 And again, I have immense respect for Dennis on this.
00:31:14.000 I think there is an understandable sensitivity, because this has gone viral a lot of people around the pornography issue.
00:31:20.000 And I think that's actually generally a good thing.
00:31:22.000 I don't think the conservative movement is at our best when we're just kind of downplay the negative impacts of pornography.
00:31:30.000 And it has fundamentally changed.
00:31:31.000 It has significantly changed over the last couple of decades.
00:31:35.000 Play cut 130.
00:31:37.000 In an ideal marriage, would my father not have subscribed to Playboy?
00:31:41.000 I'll be prepared to say yes, however.
00:31:43.000 Good at you.
00:31:44.000 Good job.
00:31:44.000 Yes.
00:31:45.000 Yeah, but it doesn't gain you as much as you think because I saw their relationship for seven years.
00:31:50.000 I didn't see it for 72 years, obviously, but I saw it for the bulk of their life.
00:31:55.000 And he's not the respect with which he treats her.
00:31:59.000 I'm sure he did.
00:32:00.000 I'm not making the claim that you have pure, pristine, holy marriage and haven of filth.
00:32:05.000 I'm not saying that those are your only two.
00:32:08.000 But if you're saying to the woman, better for him to look at porn than to commit adultery, then what I would say there is it might be less bad, all things being equal, but less bad doesn't make it good.
00:32:20.000 And if adultery can be analogized to shooting your marriage in the head, I would say pornography is the slow poisoning of it, and that there's a great deal of research that would go to back that up.
00:32:31.000 And absent that particular debate, I do think it's important that we warn young men and women of the damaging effects of it.
00:32:38.000 It is the drug of choice for young adolescents, and parents are completely ill-equipped with understanding the issue or confronting the issue.
00:32:46.000 Utah has passed a law where porn hub has said they're no longer going to have operations in the state of Utah.
00:32:55.000 I actually think that's a good thing.
00:32:57.000 I think the harder it is to access pornography, the better the society.
00:33:02.000 And the more barriers we put into that, I think it's actually important.
00:33:06.000 Due to increased identity verification, they weren't even talking about outlawing it or banning it.
00:33:16.000 Pornhub voluntarily stopped all operations.
00:33:19.000 Okay, enough of that.
00:33:20.000 Let's get to another question here.
00:33:22.000 Let's go to...
00:33:25.000 Let's go to this one here.
00:33:27.000 Somebody says, hey, Charlie, did you see the 12-year-old boy speaking to the school board after being kicked out of school for wearing there are only two genders shirt?
00:33:34.000 What are your thoughts on this?
00:33:36.000 I did see it, Play Cut 27. 1.00
00:33:38.000 There are only two genders. 0.94
00:33:41.000 Nothing harmful, nothing threatening. 1.00
00:33:43.000 Just a statement I believe to be a fact.
00:33:45.000 I have been told that my shirt was targeting a protected class.
00:33:49.000 Who is this protected class?
00:33:50.000 Are their feelings more important than my rights?
00:33:53.000 I don't complain when I see pride flags and diversity posters hung throughout the school.
00:33:58.000 Do you know why?
00:33:59.000 Because others have a right to their beliefs just as I do.
00:34:01.000 Why do the rules apply to one yet not another?
00:34:04.000 I feel like these adults were telling me that it wasn't okay for me to have an opposing view.
00:34:08.000 Their arguments were weak.
00:34:10.000 It's beautifully said.
00:34:12.000 You know, it's interesting.
00:34:13.000 They say we're the diverse people, but the second you wear a t-shirt that they might disagree with, or we're the people for intellectual diversity or tolerance, they kick you out categorically and completely.
00:34:27.000 Young man is very smart.
00:34:28.000 We need more young people.
00:34:30.000 We're trying to do this at Turning Point Yosei to go challenge authority and challenge irrational, tyrannical power.
00:34:38.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:40.000 Email us or thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:43.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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