The Charlie Kirk Show - July 17, 2023


Ask Charlie Anything 152: Michelle Obama's Ethno-Narcissism? Christian Alliance with Islam? Mike Pence Said What?


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Biden announces $39 billion in student loan forgiveness for 804,000 borrowers. Should Christians work with Muslims in politics? And did Mike Pence say he doesn t care about America or has no concern about America? Is it true? That and more in today's Ask Me Anything.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:01.000 Happy Monday Ask Me Anything episode where we take questions from you the audience.
00:00:06.000 Student loan bailout, again by Joe Biden.
00:00:09.000 Should Christians partner with Muslims in politics? 0.99
00:00:12.000 And did Mike Pence say he doesn't care about America or has no concern about America?
00:00:18.000 Is it true?
00:00:19.000 That and more.
00:00:19.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com and get involved with turningpointusa at tpusa.com.
00:00:25.000 That is tpusa.com.
00:00:27.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:28.000 Here we go.
00:00:29.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:31.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
00:00:33.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:37.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:40.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:41.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:42.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
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00:00:50.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:01:12.000 The Ask Me Anything episode.
00:01:13.000 Blake, how are we doing?
00:01:14.000 Oh, we're doing great, Charlie.
00:01:15.000 John asks us, he's from Waterloo, Iowa.
00:01:18.000 He says, Charlie, what's the latest with the student loans?
00:01:20.000 I heard Biden's doing something unilaterally.
00:01:22.000 Blake, you actually are pretty well read up on this.
00:01:24.000 What's going on?
00:01:25.000 Yeah, so just for those who don't remember, along with all of the affirmative action stuff the Supreme Court did a couple weeks ago, they also did a ruling on President Biden's big student loan forgiveness plan.
00:01:38.000 He basically came out and said, we can use this piece of post-9-11 law that we passed for national emergencies to say that the COVID national emergency lets us forgive, I think it was about like $440 billion in student loans, just whoosh.
00:01:54.000 And the Supreme Court said, that's going too far.
00:01:56.000 You can't do that.
00:01:57.000 That is an abuse of the law.
00:01:58.000 And they struck it down.
00:02:00.000 But then the same day, they clearly knew this was coming.
00:02:04.000 The Biden administration just gets out and they're like, we're going to find a different way to do student loan forgiveness.
00:02:09.000 So they're still doing it unilaterally.
00:02:11.000 It is less.
00:02:11.000 They're clearly like trying to find every angle they can.
00:02:14.000 So the announcement they made today is they found a way to forgive $39 billion worth of loans for 804,000 different borrowers, which if you do the math, I think it's like $40,000 a person or something.
00:02:28.000 That's a lot of money.
00:02:30.000 And they found that for it's under like their student loan forgiveness plans that you can sign up for, where if you make payments for 20 years and you're doing public service or whatever, they will forgive it.
00:02:43.000 Now, the way they extended this is they took people who actually had not been making payments, like if they missed payments or they did only partial payments, they just essentially said, oh, actually, we're just going to count those and still give you the amnesty.
00:02:57.000 So no rewards for playing by the rules.
00:03:00.000 And it's $40 billion.
00:03:02.000 We used to kind of care about large amounts of money like that.
00:03:04.000 That's a decent number of dollars for every single American and just snap your fingers and get rid of it.
00:03:12.000 But it does show what the Biden strategy is, which, you know, the one big sweeping approach didn't work.
00:03:18.000 It got shot down.
00:03:19.000 But now they're taking a distributed approach.
00:03:21.000 Attack it from all these different angles.
00:03:25.000 Make it less of a public focus.
00:03:28.000 You know, 30 billion here, 30 billion there, and soon you're talking about real money.
00:03:32.000 And you're gradually transitioning us to a new system where what we're going to get is we're just going to have a de facto bonus four years of school that everyone's going to get.
00:03:42.000 And all the money is going to go to these universities.
00:03:44.000 These cartels.
00:03:45.000 Yeah, this university cartel.
00:03:46.000 They'll be super woke in most cases.
00:03:49.000 And they'll basically be dependent on public money.
00:03:52.000 And The plan going forward is a system that will be so generous towards such a large share of the borrowers that what we're really doing is we're going to be announcing we're going to give $50,000 or $100,000 to every university that can get someone to attend it.
00:04:08.000 And only a small slice of those people will ever be meaningfully expected to repay all of their loans.
00:04:14.000 Yeah, and I mean, it's a mechanism of control because they're not even forgiving all the loans.
00:04:18.000 It's just enough to keep you coming back to vote for more.
00:04:21.000 Yeah, it's enough that you still have to worry about it getting taken away.
00:04:25.000 And it's also what really stands out to me is that we'll be funneling all of this money to these schools, and they basically just get it.
00:04:36.000 Even though they have endowments.
00:04:38.000 They have endowments, but not every school has an endowment, but it's just that these schools are basically wholly dependent on the federal government for their funds because so many of these couldn't make it without these subsidized loans.
00:04:48.000 And then they don't really have to hit any requirements to keep getting them.
00:04:52.000 Like in theory, the government could say you have to meet these thresholds to keep receiving loans.
00:04:57.000 Like your people have to make enough money or they have to pay back their loans at a certain high rate.
00:05:02.000 But we haven't really done any of that.
00:05:04.000 And I don't see them doing that going forward because the Biden administration has really talked about how great HBCUs are.
00:05:10.000 And HBCUs have terrible loan repayment rates compared to a lot of schools.
00:05:15.000 And sadly, on the Republican side of things, we're often really allied to for-profit colleges, and those also have pretty bad numbers.
00:05:22.000 And I feel like no one is talking about the obvious way to fix this problem, which is, I think, the system you want is one where you can do student loans, but the college has to co-sign it.
00:05:32.000 If the college co-signs.
00:05:33.000 That's interesting.
00:05:34.000 So they're betting on you, basically.
00:05:34.000 Okay.
00:05:36.000 Yeah, like essentially change the system from we're giving the money to the student who then takes it wherever.
00:05:42.000 We're thinking of the student is actoring in collaboration with the university.
00:05:46.000 The university, we have expectations for you.
00:05:48.000 And if this student who you say is deserving of all this money doesn't, isn't able to pay it back, they'll be the first one to pay it back.
00:05:55.000 But if they're not able to do it, the school is on the hook for it.
00:05:57.000 Yes, well, that's smart.
00:05:58.000 And if the school, then that removes so much of the moral hazard that exists right now, where it's just get them in, trick them whatever way you can, get the money.
00:06:05.000 To now, if this doesn't work out for this person and for society, they don't get the money.
00:06:10.000 The graduation rate, 41% of people that enter drop out.
00:06:13.000 Yeah.
00:06:13.000 41%.
00:06:14.000 And, you know, and they do it in programs that we know we have no meaningful need of additional grievance studies graduates.
00:06:22.000 North African lesbian colleagues.
00:06:23.000 Yeah.
00:06:24.000 And or even just a lot of other things that are superficially serious and technical that we still just don't need.
00:06:31.000 And then the fact that we treat all of these programs very equally, like there's no, you don't get a lower interest rate if you're going to study mechanical engineering.
00:06:38.000 No, and you should.
00:06:39.000 And you should.
00:06:40.000 And we should encourage people to either study practical things or if it's an impractical thing, it should be cheaper.
00:06:46.000 It should be cheaper to teach English than to teach advanced chemistry.
00:06:50.000 I don't think you need a chemistry lab to teach Shakespeare.
00:06:53.000 Right.
00:06:53.000 And so, I mean, this is very rational stuff.
00:06:55.000 But right now, the college syndicate is basically untouchable right now.
00:07:04.000 Yeah, so far.
00:07:05.000 I mean, both parties defend it, too, especially in red states.
00:07:08.000 There's some positive signs, of course.
00:07:08.000 They do.
00:07:10.000 I think the new college remake strategy is not something you'd want for every single school.
00:07:16.000 I don't think you necessarily want the University of Texas to be exactly like Hillsdale because it's just, it serves a much bigger purpose.
00:07:23.000 It has, you know, a med school, a law school, does all these extra things that Hillsdale doesn't do.
00:07:28.000 But what it does show is you have to treat these schools as what they are, which is they are state-backed, essentially political entities.
00:07:38.000 And there's a lot of conservatives who I think are sentimental about colleges, and they get easily bamboozled by a certain image of colleges that's not accurate anymore.
00:07:49.000 And my opinion is you should look at any college trustee position as the equivalent of like appointing someone to a Supreme Court or any other lifelong appointment.
00:08:01.000 Not necessarily lifelong, but that it is a political appointment.
00:08:04.000 It is a political office.
00:08:05.000 It's not something that you just give to a donor the way like we hand out ambassadorships to people, which is often what is the case.
00:08:12.000 You have to look at it as this is a super important, heavily political position that involves an institution with thousands of employees and tens of thousands of students.
00:08:20.000 And if we approach it that way, we can get better outcomes because we should just approach it from first principles.
00:08:27.000 What would we want a university to do?
00:08:29.000 Why doesn't the university look like that?
00:08:30.000 What do we change to make it like that?
00:08:32.000 And that might mean abolish a ton of programs, abolish how it's run, change how its classes are done, and yeah, change what we're willing to pay for.
00:08:41.000 Yeah, and also just, I mean, you said have the colleges be on the hook.
00:08:44.000 And do you think it's time to tax the endowments?
00:08:46.000 Is that a good idea?
00:08:47.000 I mean, Harvard has a $50 billion endowment.
00:08:50.000 I think that definitely has valence.
00:08:52.000 It's something that appeals to people.
00:08:54.000 Like, it does make no sense that Harvard should just $40 billion.
00:08:57.000 Stanford.
00:08:59.000 It is not the biggest problem with universities in the sense that the richest schools are not the ones whose students are going broke.
00:09:07.000 But they are charging them insane amounts to students.
00:09:10.000 They do.
00:09:11.000 $10,000 here to go to Harvard.
00:09:12.000 But they also charge essentially nothing to anyone low-income who goes there.
00:09:16.000 They just massively soak rich people who go there and the upper middle class who goes.
00:09:19.000 Don't they take federal money, though, too, Harvard, for low-income Pell Grants and stuff like that?
00:09:24.000 I'm not sure the exact details with what they might do for low-income students.
00:09:27.000 Most of their federal money is going to be federal income.
00:09:30.000 It's largely untouched capital, right?
00:09:32.000 And so it only makes them less likely to ever contort to external pressure of like, hey, don't do that. 0.89
00:09:40.000 Screw you.
00:09:41.000 I have a $40 billion endowment, right? 0.99
00:09:43.000 What I'm getting at is the list of schools that have an endowment of over $4 billion, for example, is pretty small.
00:09:50.000 And that's like 20 schools.
00:09:52.000 Yeah.
00:09:52.000 Whereas a ton of schools, hundreds of schools, basically have minimal endowments and they get by entirely on the fact that they're eligible for federal loans.
00:10:02.000 And those schools, if you change endowments, yeah, they'll scream about it, but they're not existentially concerned with that nearly as much as how we do our loans, how they're paid back, what we expect schools to do with them.
00:10:14.000 And the same goes for most public schools.
00:10:16.000 Like your big flagships have a ton of money, but a lot of the lesser ones are more just dependent on what the state gives them every single year.
00:10:23.000 And those schools are going to be far more responsive to the incentives we create for them.
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00:11:36.000 Okay, so we're getting a lot of questions about our affirmative action take, Blake.
00:11:40.000 Blake, can you just, am I being unfair when I say that Michelle Obama's thesis is barely readable?
00:11:46.000 Is that an unfair thing to say?
00:11:48.000 I mean, it is.
00:11:48.000 I think it is technically readable in the sense that, you know, a human being who has been trained in phonics can like place their finger on the text and if they're paying attention, they can deduce what was meant by it.
00:11:59.000 But it is very, you know, as the, as the Hitchens. 0.65
00:12:02.000 You have to reread it.
00:12:03.000 Let me bring up that history.
00:12:04.000 So let's just remind people: I said that Michelle Obama, Joy Reed, and Katanji Brown Jackson stole a spot that an otherwise applicant, qualified applicant would have said, would have had.
00:12:16.000 I should have said not just white person, but white or Asian or otherwise qualified applicant, but it's live on radio.
00:12:22.000 I don't apologize for it in the 80s.
00:12:23.000 Like America didn't have as many Asians then.
00:12:25.000 It was like in the 90s and 2000s.
00:12:26.000 And by the way, all of them self-acknowledge and admit Michelle Obama's high school counselor said she didn't have good enough grades to get into Princeton if it wasn't for affirmative action.
00:12:33.000 Which is what Michelle Obama told us.
00:12:35.000 This is not even a competing story.
00:12:36.000 It's not like we sought out her high school counselor and we did some sort of Reitbart story or something.
00:12:40.000 Hitchens back in, this is writing for Slate, I believe.
00:12:44.000 He did a lot of writing for Slate.
00:12:45.000 He did a lot of writing for Slate, which is like a liberal-leaning publication.
00:12:49.000 And he wrote, I direct your attention to Mrs. Obama.
00:12:52.000 I have no idea if I'm doing a Hitchnecks.
00:12:53.000 That's pretty good.
00:12:54.000 I direct your attention to Mrs. Obama's 1985 thesis at Princeton University.
00:12:58.000 Its title, rather limited in scope, given the author and the campus, is Princeton Educated Blacks and the Black Community.
00:13:06.000 To describe it as hard to read would be a mistake.
00:13:10.000 The thesis cannot be read at all in the strict sense of the verb.
00:13:14.000 This is because it wasn't written in any known language.
00:13:18.000 And having read chunks of it, like what it does is it has a lot of, you know, you have to use that sick thing several times in it where they, there's like some typos and misspellings and grammatical flubs that they probably ideally would have caught.
00:13:31.000 But, you know, you don't have spell check.
00:13:32.000 It's the 1980s.
00:13:34.000 But what really stands out about it is just, you know, she's been given this incredible opportunity to, you know, without having the proper test scores, attend this top five world university at Princeton.
00:13:46.000 And, you know, she can study anything she wants.
00:13:49.000 And what she does is she writes a thesis on like being black at Princeton, like an autoethnography thing.
00:13:55.000 You know, you could have at least studied some other group coming to Princeton.
00:13:59.000 You might have like expanded your horizon a bit.
00:14:01.000 And instead.
00:14:02.000 That's awfully narcissistic.
00:14:03.000 It is.
00:14:04.000 Which is also what I said.
00:14:05.000 Yes.
00:14:06.000 Ethno-narcissism. 0.72
00:14:07.000 It's like if you just, you know, think about the incredible number of scholars.
00:14:11.000 You know, you're like Indiana Jones or something.
00:14:13.000 Like, I want to study this.
00:14:15.000 The Mesopotamians or the Indigenous Aztecs.
00:14:18.000 Think of like what the Mormons do. 0.99
00:14:20.000 You know, they learn all these other languages and learn all these other cultures because they want to spread their faith all over the world.
00:14:25.000 And then on the flip side, you just have Michelle Obama who's like, the world needs to know more about what it's like being me at the school that I attended.
00:14:34.000 Yeah, I mean, Brian, you speak like Cantonese or something, right?
00:14:37.000 Spanish, yes.
00:14:38.000 Spanish is still a language spoken by many interesting people and many, many uninteresting ones. 1.00
00:14:43.000 But, you know.
00:14:44.000 It's incredibly narcissistic.
00:14:46.000 Okay, so, but let's play some tape here because the internet is melting over this. 1.00
00:14:51.000 Sheila Jackson Lee, what a career. 1.00
00:14:53.000 Play cut 115.
00:14:55.000 First of all, it amends a certain section and adds to race, ethnicity, and religion and just simply adds white supremacy motivated.
00:15:03.000 So, and it is the context of a hate crime legislation.
00:15:07.000 And you've noted individuals who are not, may not be white, who are pushing white supremacy views.
00:15:15.000 It is an anti-hate crime bill.
00:15:17.000 If you're engaged in a hate crime, you need to be punished because you have harmed someone ultimately if someone is injured because of it.
00:15:29.000 Sheila Jackson Lee, let's then remind people, why, where is she?
00:15:33.000 And they think they're making a strong argument, Blake, when they're saying this.
00:15:36.000 They think we're like, oh, of course, I should reconsider.
00:15:39.000 I've lost Sheila Jackson Lee.
00:15:41.000 Reconsider my public policy positions on affirmative action because of the outright brilliance of Michelle Obama to change the brown jacket.
00:15:49.000 Exactly.
00:15:49.000 In an insurance company in Des Moines, Iowa right now.
00:15:52.000 Michelle Obama might have to do whatever Michelle Obama otherwise would have done. 1.00
00:15:57.000 PlayCut 52.
00:15:59.000 But I rise today as a clear recipient of affirmative action, and particularly in higher education.
00:16:07.000 I may have been admitted on affirmative action, both in terms of being a woman and a woman of color, but I can declare that I did not graduate on affirmative action.
00:16:17.000 This is my personal story.
00:16:19.000 I can declare, Blake.
00:16:22.000 I couldn't hear it, so I don't know.
00:16:23.000 Oh, no, you couldn't hear it.
00:16:25.000 I'm sorry.
00:16:25.000 She's like, I could declare that I got into college because of affirmative action.
00:16:29.000 I do declare that.
00:16:30.000 They think this is persuasive.
00:16:33.000 They think that we're going to win over people on the affirmative action thing.
00:16:37.000 Okay, email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
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00:18:06.000 Mike Pence and Tucker Carlson sit down.
00:18:09.000 Blake, you have to help me understand why are they afraid to come to turning point, but they're like excited to sit down with Tucker Carlson.
00:18:15.000 Maybe they're thinking like, well, in 2017, I went on Tucker.
00:18:19.000 Like, it was a fun time at Fox and was really friendly.
00:18:21.000 There's no way they haven't thought deeply about this.
00:18:23.000 No, it's entirely possible they haven't thought deeply about this.
00:18:26.000 They have professional GOP consultant staff, and those people frequently don't think at all, let alone deeply.
00:18:31.000 But they don't want to come to turning point because of something.
00:18:33.000 The whole thing's really bizarre and strange to me.
00:18:36.000 Yeah, I mean, it'd be really funny if Tucker was just like, who wants to fly to Florida with me?
00:18:42.000 Wow.
00:18:43.000 All right.
00:18:44.000 And then he's coming on to our event.
00:18:45.000 Tucker will be.
00:18:46.000 Tucker's great.
00:18:46.000 Yeah, he'll be here.
00:18:47.000 Which, okay, so which cut is the one where, okay, because we're getting a lot of emails on this.
00:18:51.000 Is it true that Mike Pence said that America is not his concern?
00:18:56.000 So I think we have the tape here.
00:18:58.000 I think we do.
00:18:59.000 There's like a garden variety here.
00:19:01.000 So let's play this.
00:19:02.000 This may or may not be it.
00:19:03.000 Let's play cut 130.
00:19:06.000 You are distressed that the Ukrainians don't have enough American tanks.
00:19:11.000 Every city in the United States has become much worse over the past three years.
00:19:16.000 Drive around.
00:19:17.000 There's not one city that's gotten better in the United States.
00:19:21.000 And it's visible.
00:19:22.000 Our economy has degraded.
00:19:24.000 The suicide rate has jumped.
00:19:26.000 Public filth and disorder and crime have exponentially increased.
00:19:31.000 And yet, your concern is that the Ukrainians, a country most people can't find on a map, who've received tens of billions of U.S. tax dollars, don't have enough tanks.
00:19:41.000 I think it's a fair question to ask.
00:19:42.000 Like, where's the concern for the United States in that?
00:19:45.000 Well, it's not my concern.
00:19:48.000 Tucker, I've heard that routine from you before, but that's not my concern.
00:19:53.000 Holy cow.
00:19:53.000 Did he really say that, Blake?
00:19:55.000 Like, I thought someone was being deeply unfair.
00:19:57.000 Andrew, tweet it out immediately.
00:19:59.000 Blake, did I hear that right?
00:20:00.000 I don't know because I don't have headphones on.
00:20:04.000 All right.
00:20:05.000 So Mike Pence said to suicides, the decay country says, Tucker, I've heard that routine before.
00:20:12.000 That's not my concern.
00:20:14.000 America is not my concern.
00:20:15.000 That was a poor choice of words.
00:20:17.000 I don't think he's going to be elected president, Charlie.
00:20:21.000 Bold take, but I'm ready to pronounce it right here.
00:20:24.000 How is this person even allowed in a Republican primary by saying America is not my concern?
00:20:29.000 Well, he does look good in a suit.
00:20:32.000 The Republican Party always has a vulnerability, especially like 2000 to 2012 of like find man who looks like very rectangular shaped in a suit.
00:20:42.000 He could play a president on like one of those Fox shows about the war on terror.
00:20:46.000 You know, he can stand up and be like, America is firm in its resolve and its resolution against the irresolute in Rezolushistan. 1.00
00:20:54.000 And, you know, he could be good at that sort of thing.
00:20:56.000 So that's enough to become governor, house member, whatever circuit of offices that he had, all the way up to vice president.
00:21:03.000 But now he wants to become president and he hasn't updated and we're not going to be as merciful on strange gaffes like this.
00:21:12.000 No, but he said it twice, just so we're clear.
00:21:14.000 He said, that's not my concern.
00:21:15.000 That's not my concern when talking about the decline of America.
00:21:20.000 Well, we could also just take him literally.
00:21:21.000 It probably isn't his concern.
00:21:22.000 No, I know.
00:21:23.000 Mike Pence is running to go be like the prime minister of Ukraine.
00:21:26.000 Well, I mean, Ukraine has 35 million people, so it's got like 50 electoral votes in the 2024 election.
00:21:31.000 It's larger than California.
00:21:33.000 Yeah.
00:21:34.000 Millions of electoral votes. 0.99
00:21:35.000 No, they will try to create statehood.
00:21:38.000 It's just.
00:21:39.000 You know, the funny thing is, if they propose that, I would support it a lot more.
00:21:42.000 Like, make the argument.
00:21:43.000 Ukraine should be a state.
00:21:44.000 Like, whatever.
00:21:46.000 It's got European Christian heritage.
00:21:48.000 We can make this argument for it.
00:21:49.000 Yeah, so Tucker says the country's falling apart, and he says, it's not my concern.
00:21:53.000 It's not my concern.
00:21:56.000 Wow.
00:21:57.000 Okay.
00:21:58.000 Mike Pence.
00:22:00.000 Yeah, he said to Tucker, I've heard this routine from you before.
00:22:02.000 Yeah, you know, like representing pesky American voters. 0.94
00:22:06.000 He's heard the routine before.
00:22:07.000 It's a good routine.
00:22:08.000 A lot of people agree with it, Pence.
00:22:10.000 A lot of GOP primary voters.
00:22:11.000 Pence said it twice.
00:22:13.000 By the way, most of your Republican leaders hate you that much, just so we're clear.
00:22:18.000 You're not my concern.
00:22:19.000 Zelensky is.
00:22:20.000 You're not my concern.
00:22:21.000 You're not my concern.
00:22:23.000 Boy, you could put that on a poster, couldn't you?
00:22:26.000 You're not my concern.
00:22:28.000 I remember an old story about some GOP politician.
00:22:32.000 It might have been Boehner, but don't quote me on it, where supposedly someone was browbeating him.
00:22:36.000 I think it was about marijuana policy or something.
00:22:40.000 And he goes, you know, you make all these great arguments.
00:22:43.000 They're all golfing, of course, because it's like 2015.
00:22:45.000 He's like, you make a lot of great arguments, but they're good for $3 million a year.
00:22:50.000 And XYZ cause is not. 0.87
00:22:53.000 And then he, why not watch this drive, as Bush would say?
00:22:58.000 Let's get to another question here.
00:22:59.000 So, Blake, I went on the Patrick Bett David podcast.
00:23:01.000 And as you know, I'm a serious Christian.
00:23:03.000 And Patrick Bett David, who grew up in Iran, I think he's a Christian.
00:23:08.000 I don't think he's a Muslim, but he has a lot of Muslim friends, obviously.
00:23:11.000 Yeah, he's Christian, but he definitely has a lot of friends that are Muslim.
00:23:15.000 He put me on the spot and asked me, he said, Charlie, is it time for the Republican Party to go and embrace Muslims because they're not in the trans thing and they're pro-life? 0.85
00:23:27.000 And my answer was maybe, because I have some huge theological differences with Muslims, and I also think that there's evidence that radical Islam and radical, you know, kind of where Muslims are is inconsistent with some tenets of Western society and culture. 0.93
00:23:42.000 But I also said that I would much rather work with Muslim groups than work with the LGBTQ mafia on anything. 1.00
00:23:48.000 How should I think about this, Blake?
00:23:50.000 I mean this, I'm not even like leading the questioner.
00:23:52.000 I was a little bit, you know, it's just a little bit uncertain.
00:23:58.000 And I'm not like that on many issues, to be honest.
00:24:01.000 It is a hard question.
00:24:03.000 I think it's difficult because it does require some humility in acknowledging America has fundamentally changed.
00:24:10.000 It's less Christian than it was before. 0.99
00:24:12.000 It is difficult to get wins without making alliances that we would have previously considered really strange.
00:24:19.000 But I don't think it's unthinkable simply in the fact that any alliance, any alliance between different groups is we get into this because we both have a shared interest.
00:24:29.000 And if American Muslims have the interest of we don't want our kids taught insane LGBT stuff in school, we don't want our kids to be trans by their doctors while we're looking away. 0.87
00:24:41.000 And we also don't want that.
00:24:43.000 Well, yes, we can have an alliance with them because we want the same thing.
00:24:47.000 There's no tension there.
00:24:48.000 Now, if this becomes some sort of broad political coalition deal where, you know, oh, we should embrace like having a million people move here from the Middle East every year as part of this deal, then I would probably say, no, that's not in America's interests and it's not in conservatives' interests and it's not in Christian conservatives' interests.
00:25:10.000 But to say like, oh, we have a burden to like tell them to buzz off and keep voting Democrats.
00:25:16.000 Yeah, so let me ask it differently.
00:25:17.000 Let's say you and I are running Republican strategy.
00:25:20.000 Should we try to do an outreach to Muslims and Muslim religious leaders because they're really good on the trans issue?
00:25:29.000 That's a complicated one.
00:25:30.000 I know it is.
00:25:31.000 Keep in mind, Muslims are also religiously diverse, as it were.
00:25:35.000 You have Sunnis, you have Shias, you have people who are really serious about it, you have people who are not very serious about it. 1.00
00:25:40.000 And it's the same thing with Christianity, where obviously we have to try to campaign towards both very serious Christians and cultural Christians who are still relatively on our side.
00:25:52.000 And it's probably a similar thing with a lot of Muslim people.
00:25:57.000 I certainly don't think we should concede and say that female genital mutilation is a great idea because some very true noble communities like that. 0.94
00:26:04.000 There's a lot in Islam I don't like. 1.00
00:26:07.000 I also believe that there are some fruits of modernity that Islamic countries reject that are beautiful, like freedom of dialogue and interest and entrepreneurialism and private property rights and separation of powers. 1.00
00:26:20.000 We'll see on the interest thing.
00:26:22.000 I'm actually very pro-Usuri.
00:26:24.000 Okay, well, I mean, the Bible, we sometimes have to read vaguely into the Bible to get clear condemnations of abortion, but we don't have to read very far to find clear condemnations of lending at interest.
00:26:34.000 Technically, it's supposed to be a ban just between fellow Jews is what the law was supposed to be written as.
00:26:40.000 Well, yes, but like, so traditionally, that was that Christians believed that they inherited that same obligation.
00:26:45.000 No, of course, only amongst those in your own belief, though, right?
00:26:48.000 So like the way that, without getting too far down the rabbit hole of, you know, rabbinical law, it's in the book of Exodus, is that Jews shall not charge interest to other Jews.
00:26:57.000 That if it's a non-Jew, then it's fine. 1.00
00:26:59.000 But, you know, but yeah, but the tradition of the church is that like the church, the Christian church is Israel today, so to speak.
00:27:06.000 Yeah, so but do you think interest has been a good thing for Western economies?
00:27:10.000 I think you can engage with that question of like, well, actually, you know, a 2% or 3% rate of interest that matches inflation is not extortionate.
00:27:10.000 Probably.
00:27:18.000 They'll find ways to explore it.
00:27:20.000 I think interest is great when, I mean, personally, if I want to get a home loan, like I think it's good that a home wants, a bank wants to bet on that, right?
00:27:29.000 I think we can, you know, we can confront the fact that when the Bible condemns lending at interest, their problem is not this like 6% like Aquinas will write that this is unjust because it causes a good to be created out of nothing without the labor input into it.
00:27:43.000 When it's really that the problem is that historically debt would enslave people.
00:27:47.000 And so that's also why you put out the tradition of debt.
00:27:50.000 It also could be confiscatory.
00:27:53.000 That's not the right word.
00:27:54.000 Well, it might be.
00:27:54.000 Or punitive where you have like, what is it?
00:27:59.000 The payday lenders, right?
00:28:01.000 Which are just completely predatory.
00:28:02.000 Oh, for sure.
00:28:03.000 And I think, you know, obviously there's been, my home state, South Dakota, actually had a ban on that a few years ago.
00:28:09.000 Yeah, and in the American South, it's really big.
00:28:11.000 It's payday lending.
00:28:12.000 Everything's really big.
00:28:13.000 I mean, go around Phoenix and you can find a lot of cash advance type places.
00:28:17.000 Yeah, it's not good.
00:28:18.000 So, okay.
00:28:20.000 So bottom line then, Blake, so is it we should have some openness?
00:28:25.000 I mean, so, for example, we have the LGBTQ mafia on the card, you know, they're the rainbow guard. 1.00
00:28:30.000 I mean, we make alliances with appalling nations that believe that how should we think about alliances?
00:28:38.000 I think, it's like I said, we have to be clear on what is our interest that we are trying to pursue.
00:28:44.000 And the alliance can last as long as that shared interest exists.
00:28:50.000 And you don't need to be, you just don't over-sentimentalize these things and you don't concede more than actually is wise for you to give up.
00:28:58.000 And like, that's kind of why NATO has gotten so bad for us, is that like NATO existed, where all of these countries that support free market capitalism and religious liberty and all these things, we oppose communism.
00:29:08.000 We need a military alliance to oppose communism.
00:29:11.000 Communism went away, and we're like, well, now NATO just has to keep existing because it has existed.
00:29:17.000 So now we must oppose Russia. 0.88
00:29:19.000 Well, now Russia doesn't, is like more socially conservative and Christian and all of that.
00:29:24.000 So we have to be anti-those things. 0.88
00:29:25.000 And now NATO's the gay alliance. 0.96
00:29:28.000 No, it is.
00:29:28.000 I mean, that's what it's become.
00:29:30.000 And I've said this before.
00:29:32.000 Social issues are one of the main reasons why this Ukrainian-Russian war is ongoing, which is hilarious why Mike Pence is so enthusiastic behind your craze.
00:29:43.000 There's just so many people who are like these strange, it's like in the movie GoldenEye, the Bond movie, Judy Dench calls Bond a relic of the Cold War.
00:29:51.000 We have too many relics of the Cold War sitting around.
00:29:53.000 But we have also too many people that are still parroting the muscle memory of the Cold War.
00:29:58.000 Email us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:30:00.000 I'm going to play that Pence tape again for us guys, and I want to try to get away for Blake to listen so we could be super fair about it.
00:30:07.000 I want the whole thing.
00:30:08.000 I really want to say, is there an argument to be made that Mike Pence, he says it twice to Tucker Carlson, not my concern.
00:30:17.000 I've heard this routine before.
00:30:18.000 Not my concern.
00:30:19.000 We tweeted that out, right, Andrew?
00:30:21.000 Okay.
00:30:21.000 Okay, we're going to play the clip again.
00:30:23.000 It's not good for Pence.
00:30:25.000 There is a potential defense vector, though, but Pence didn't help his case at all when Tucker said, well, then why aren't you worried?
00:30:32.000 Why aren't you concerned about the United States?
00:30:34.000 And then Pence said, that's not my concern.
00:30:37.000 It's not good.
00:30:39.000 If you were like team Pence to defend Pence of what he was trying to say, I think what he was trying to say is that Tucker's caricature of him is not actually the concern.
00:30:48.000 No, let's play the clip.
00:30:50.000 Yeah, I mean, it's not good.
00:30:52.000 It's bad.
00:30:52.000 It will be cut up.
00:30:54.000 And it also plays into the schedule of why do you keep on visiting Ukraine, Pence?
00:30:57.000 Play Cut 130.
00:30:59.000 Listen carefully.
00:31:10.000 Drive around.
00:31:11.000 There's not one city that's gotten better in the United States.
00:31:14.000 And it's visible.
00:31:16.000 Our economy has degraded.
00:31:18.000 The suicide rate has jumped.
00:31:20.000 Public filth and disorder and crime have exponentially increased.
00:31:25.000 And yet, your concern is that the Ukrainians, a country most people can't find on a map, who've received tens of billions of U.S. tax dollars, don't have enough tanks.
00:31:35.000 I think it's a fair question to ask.
00:31:36.000 Like, where's the concern for the United States in that?
00:31:39.000 Well, it's not my concern.
00:31:41.000 Tucker, I've heard that routine from you before, but that's not my concern.
00:31:45.000 I'm running for president of the United States because I think this country's in a lot of trouble.
00:31:50.000 I think Joe Biden has weakened America at home and abroad.
00:31:54.000 Okay, so the word concern is said many times, and it actually means something different every time they're saying it.
00:31:59.000 He does say your concerns with Ukraine.
00:32:02.000 No, but then, no, no, no, no.
00:32:03.000 But then Tucker says again, where's your concern for the United States?
00:32:06.000 And then Pence says, well, that's not my concern.
00:32:09.000 He's probably mentioning the first concern, not the second guess.
00:32:09.000 No, but he's not.
00:32:13.000 I think he might have been saying, my concern is not Ukraine.
00:32:16.000 And then he's saying, you know, I'm running for president because I think America's in trouble.
00:32:19.000 No, the implication is not running by Ukraine.
00:32:22.000 I know, but then he says both domestic and abroad.
00:32:25.000 And you're like, wait a second, like that, then that plays into it.
00:32:29.000 But you have to understand.
00:32:30.000 I mean, my bias is always that to be relatively charitable towards people.
00:32:35.000 And I don't think, you know, even if we have a lot of problems with Mike Pence, I don't think he decided to spend this decades-long career and then go on stage and say, you know what, America?
00:32:44.000 And then flip the bird, two birds to the entire crowd.
00:32:47.000 I don't know.
00:32:48.000 Just understand.
00:32:49.000 If you look at the transcript, it will look bad for Pence because Tucker says, where's your concern for America?
00:32:55.000 That's not my concern.
00:32:57.000 That's true.
00:32:57.000 That's true.
00:32:58.000 That is the sequence of the fact that it's not.
00:32:59.000 The first time he uses concern in that exchange for Ukraine.
00:33:02.000 Totally fair.
00:33:03.000 There's actually two concerns going on that are two different things that are in the same word.
00:33:07.000 I don't dispute at all that this will be bad.
00:33:09.000 I mean, it's already clearly bad.
00:33:11.000 It's been written up here.
00:33:11.000 It's going viral.
00:33:12.000 But I do, as trying to be objective here, I don't think that is what Pence meant.
00:33:16.000 No, I hear you, but it's what he said.
00:33:19.000 Play cut 132.
00:33:20.000 I've heard that routine from you before, but that's not my concern.
00:33:24.000 I'm running for president of the United States because I think this country's in a lot of trouble.
00:33:29.000 I think Joe Biden has weakened America at home and abroad.
00:33:33.000 And as president of the United States, we're going to restore law and order in our cities.
00:33:36.000 We're going to secure our border.
00:33:38.000 We're going to get this economy moving again.
00:33:40.000 And we're going to make sure that we have men and women on our courts at every level that will stand for the right to life and defend all the God-given liberties enshrined in our Constitution.
00:33:51.000 Anybody that says that we can't be the leader of the free world and solve our problems at home has a pretty small view of the greatest nation on earth.
00:34:00.000 We can do both.
00:34:03.000 If you listen to that, he says he's kind of making, I'm going to be president of America, but then he says, we're also going to be leader of the free world and we can do both.
00:34:10.000 And it's like, so Ukraine is your concern, man.
00:34:14.000 I mean, that is what you say is, but I don't think Pence was saying, like, I don't care about all those American things.
00:34:21.000 But here's how Pence should have answered.
00:34:23.000 Tucker, I'm always America first.
00:34:25.000 That would have been.
00:34:26.000 Of course he should have.
00:34:27.000 But what is he?
00:34:27.000 He's not a very good politician.
00:34:28.000 So he's not.
00:34:29.000 Well, he's only been doing it for 30 years.
00:34:31.000 Yeah, but you don't need to be a good politician to rise high in the GOP.
00:34:34.000 That's why we lose a lot of elections.
00:34:36.000 A lot happening in the country and get involved with Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action.
00:34:40.000 That's tpusa.com or tpaction.com.
00:34:42.000 Blake, do you have social media people can follow you on?
00:34:44.000 No.
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00:34:48.000 We're not going to stop Blake.
00:34:49.000 We're going to get Blake married.
00:34:51.000 It will be a non-stop pressure campaign.
00:34:53.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:54.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:57.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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