The Charlie Kirk Show - Ask Charlie Anything 155: J6 Inside Job? Civil Disobedience? Rainbow Obama?

00:00:00.000 This is producer Andrew Colvet filling in for Charlie on this special Ask Me Anything, Ask Charlie Anything, but in this case, Ask Andrew and Blake anything.

00:00:10.000 We take your audience questions that you send us to freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:00:15.000 And we talk about a lot of things, including Barry Sotero, otherwise known as Barack Obama, and a new article that came out that alleges some very interesting things.

00:00:25.000 We also talk about, hey, what's the right way to be civilly disobedient and not cause a civil war if things get really bad?

00:00:32.000 We talked about, was J6 an inside job?

00:00:34.000 Was it a Fed surrection?

00:00:36.000 Was Occam's razor at play here?

00:00:38.000 What's the most likely explanation for what happened?

00:00:41.000 We talk about the Joyless Reed, the not-so-smart MSNBC anchor who thinks that Trump is about to face a demographic reality.

00:00:50.000 You're not going to want to miss that clip. 1.00

00:00:52.000 It's explosive and stupid. 0.99

00:00:54.000 But we address it and so much more right here on an Ask Me Anything, a special edition with Andrew Colvett and Blake Neff. 1.00

00:01:00.000 Don't go anywhere.

00:01:01.000 Buckle up. 0.96

00:01:01.000 Here we go. 0.96

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00:01:45.000 This is executive producer Andrew Colvett and I am pleased to be joined by Blake Neff, one of our other producers on the show, resident historian, Dartmouth grad, Ivy Leaguer, inside the Beltway, lived in the swamp for years.

00:02:02.000 But actually, folks, he is from the Dakotas.

00:02:05.000 Are you not, Blake?

00:02:06.000 Yes.

00:02:06.000 You're a Dakota man.

00:02:08.000 I was born in Fargo, North Dakota, and then grew up in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

00:02:12.000 So feel free to mix those up because everybody else does.

00:02:14.000 Yeah.

00:02:16.000 So you're not all bad, right?

00:02:17.000 You're not a swamp creature.

00:02:18.000 I mean, I definitely don't talk like Raheem Kassam just because I went to school at Dartmouth.

00:02:24.000 When I was a Dartmouth lad and only were attended.

00:02:27.000 We went out to visit Yale College after the regatta.

00:02:33.000 The regatta.

00:02:34.000 Yeah, that's how, man.

00:02:36.000 As a West Coast guy, none of that makes any sense to me.

00:02:38.000 Nor does prep schools.

00:02:40.000 I don't get that.

00:02:40.000 Anyways, here we go.

00:02:41.000 So I have a question here.

00:02:42.000 We're going to do this AMA all hour long.

00:02:45.000 We're taking your questions.

00:02:46.000 Blake's a very smart guy, very up on it, and on a lot of inside chatter.

00:02:51.000 So he's got a kind of a beat on a lot of things and going to add a lot to the conversation.

00:02:55.000 He's also a little contrarian, so we might disagree a little bit here.

00:02:59.000 It's going to be fun.

00:02:59.000 So I've got this.

00:03:01.000 You mentioned Raheem Kassam.

00:03:02.000 We just had him on talking about Steven Sun, the chief of the Capitol Hill Police on January 6th.

00:03:09.000 He was basically the Patsy, the fall guy, after everything that happened.

00:03:13.000 And he's claiming that he was denied a lot of intel leading up to J6 and that there's been a cover-up before and after.

00:03:21.000 Okay, so we got a question here from Pam from Grayslake.

00:03:24.000 She says, Let me ask you this: who benefits from halting the procedure on J6?

00:03:30.000 Trump, who wanted the evidence from the state presented, or the Uniparty covering up a fraudulent election?

00:03:37.000 I think you are all looking at it from the wrong direction.

00:03:39.000 And this is Grammy Pammy.

00:03:41.000 So, Blake, in this context of this larger discussion, you know, do you, I mean, you are not a conspiracy.

00:03:48.000 I'm on so many chats with you.

00:03:50.000 You are not a conspiracy theorist.

00:03:51.000 Every time we kind of like float one of these speculative ideas, usually you're the guy in the room going, that doesn't make any sense.

00:03:57.000 You guys are overthinking this.

00:03:59.000 Like things are probably more simple than you realize.

00:04:01.000 But you were even talking when I was discussing Michael Fanone, this creepy, you know, celebrity police guy that seems to be completely astroturfed, by my estimation.

00:04:14.000 You were saying it was making you feel a little crazy because you're like, there feels like there actually might be something here.

00:04:19.000 Is there something here, Blake, or not?

00:04:22.000 I go back and forth on it.

00:04:25.000 I like the phrasing from Pam's question, like, you know, who benefits?

00:04:30.000 And it's sort of a useful question because I do think that you see that phrase used a lot, who benefits?

00:04:36.000 Qui bono.

00:04:38.000 And I think it sometimes can lead people astray because the right, especially, like, we love to try to find like who's behind the scenes, who's the puppet master.

00:04:48.000 You'll hear that a lot, you know, with theories involving Soros or Obama or anything else.

00:04:53.000 Like, what, you know, who could have, who could have planned what was going on here?

00:04:56.000 And I think the truth in a lot of cases is who benefits is actually who reacts best or in the smartest way to events that unfold.

00:05:06.000 And what I've always had trouble with January 6th, like theories that it was, you know, centrally planned, that it was this, you know, anti-MAGA operation, is it's just you'd need a lot of people in on it.

00:05:18.000 And it's so inherently, like, incredibly risky.

00:05:21.000 Like, okay, there were lawmakers there.

00:05:23.000 Like, what if it actually does get out of control?

00:05:25.000 What if a lot of them have guns?

00:05:27.000 What if a lot of people get killed?

00:05:29.000 And the idea that they centrally planned all of that just doesn't seem likely to me.

00:05:34.000 Like, when we have cases where the FBI is, you know, instigating things, we definitely have cases where the FBI acts as agent provocateurs.

00:05:42.000 You know, we have the Gretchen Whitmer case.

00:05:44.000 We have other examples.

00:05:46.000 And it's always that the plan is sort of they're supposed to swoop in before anything happens.

00:05:51.000 And then if something does happen anyway, it was like, whoa, it wasn't supposed to go this way.

00:05:55.000 We were supposed to just be monitoring them and swoop in.

00:05:57.000 And I don't think we have conclusively proven cases where they literally let some big incident happen.

00:06:06.000 And that's why I've always been skeptical of this.

00:06:08.000 But it is so weird, like with this Fanon guy or Fanoni, Phony, Phoney Fanoni, that he, as she says, like, it's like he has this whole slick background that is suddenly all dressed up and they're perfectly ready to make this hero out of him.

00:06:24.000 But I do still lean in the direction that the most plausible explanation is: well, we had this big opportunity pop up for us where they made themselves look bad by parading through the Capitol.

00:06:36.000 Let's really milk this.

00:06:37.000 Let's find a few cops who are ready to go on TV.

00:06:41.000 And then this guy, being kind of a creepy psycho-sociopath, is the kind of guy who will just dress up his whole personality.

00:06:48.000 Oh, what do I need to do? 0.59

00:06:49.000 Oh, I need to say I had all these medical calamities.

00:06:51.000 I'll exaggerate everything and talk about what a huge hero I was and really play up my role.

00:06:58.000 And the media is ready to rush along with it.

00:07:00.000 Democrats are ready to rush along with it.

00:07:03.000 And then they suddenly have this hero that they can put on television.

00:07:07.000 And I always think that's where I always lean in terms of how I'm going to interpret it: that they see an opportunity and they exploit it well, as opposed to everything was centrally planned in advance because that's just so difficult to do.

00:07:22.000 I don't disagree with you, but here's where I will sort of push back a little bit.

00:07:26.000 I don't think, okay, so I don't think the smoke-filled backroom, Blake, is the way most of these things get hatched.

00:07:34.000 I think when we envision this centrally planned scheme ahead of time, I genuinely don't think it's like that.

00:07:43.000 I think it's like maybe a couple people in a casual meeting being like, you know, hey, you know, these guys are about to make fools of themselves.

00:07:50.000 You're like, yeah, listen, I'm not going to get in their way.

00:07:53.000 Like, just don't send Stevenson the briefing.

00:07:57.000 He wants it.

00:07:57.000 Just don't.

00:07:58.000 He's yelling at it.

00:07:59.000 Tell him to go pounce in.

00:08:00.000 You know, like something a little bit more sort of casual, less sort of 3D chess and more checkers, but it's pushing towards, hey, we're just not going to make life easy on them. 0.68

00:08:13.000 Like, if they want to make fools of themselves, it's fine.

00:08:16.000 That's on them. 1.00

00:08:17.000 These guys are crazy. 0.99

00:08:18.000 Like, we're not going to help them. 0.99

00:08:19.000 You know, don't let the door hit you.

00:08:20.000 And then, sure enough, it kind of like plays into this way, into this visual of this chaos, where even the people that might have been part of the conspiracy where they were just sort of obstructing, getting in the way, making life difficult on somebody like Stevenson.

00:08:34.000 Yeah, maybe they did want something to happen.

00:08:36.000 Nobody knows exactly how it's going to happen.

00:08:38.000 But if you pair that with the fact, and Raheem is reporting that there were agents on the ground, there were intelligence assets in the crowd.

00:08:46.000 Now, there are to be careful here.

00:08:49.000 There are reasons to have intelligence assets on the ground that would not be to provoke the crowd, right?

00:08:58.000 I mean, our intelligence community has reasons to have assets in many places.

00:09:02.000 And, you know, as they say, never interrupt your opponent while he's making a mistake.

00:09:02.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:09:06.000 And that's often a frustration of mine with January 6th stuff is even if there is, frankly, even if there were actual provocateurs in the crowd, like the thing that is undeniable is a lot of people did very stupid things.

00:09:18.000 And sometimes I do feel with January 6th, there's this element of like, man, why did they have to trick me into committing this crime?

00:09:28.000 And you kind of hear the same thing with like BLM, to be honest, is they'll be like, oh, well, you know, actually, the system made me rob this store.

00:09:36.000 The system made me burn that thing down.

00:09:39.000 And too often, I do worry, like, you know, there's people in January 6th who just indisputably did assault cops who really did like, all right, lay the beat down on people.

00:09:51.000 Blake, this is a good point.

00:09:53.000 The CIA probably, I don't know if you agree, but was involved at some level with the assassination of JFK.

00:10:01.000 How do we explain things like that if they're if they're not actually sort of you know conspiring in a dark room?

00:10:07.000 How do you explain that?

00:10:08.000 Well, I mean, CIA's involvement in JFK, maybe.

00:10:11.000 There's other forces that could be involved in JFK's assassination.

00:10:14.000 Like, stuff with Jack Ruby, it's really, it sort of does defy likelihood there was nothing bigger.

00:10:14.000 I agree.

00:10:20.000 But on the other hand, there's just so many conspiracy things that get repeated a lot, but are actually just like not true.

00:10:25.000 Like after we discussed it during Thought Crime a week ago, I went and like went down this rabbit hole of reading a lot of JFK stuff.

00:10:33.000 And a lot of things that get claimed all the time are actually not that true.

00:10:37.000 Like we brought up like the, you know, the parade route that Kennedy was going down and the allegations that this was changed last minute to enable an assassination.

00:10:45.000 And it's actually just not true.

00:10:46.000 It's based on a misreading of a map that got published.

00:10:49.000 And really, if you read about it, that was essentially the only route he could be taking to get onto the highway he needed to go on.

00:10:56.000 And, you know, there's just a lot of things like that.

00:10:58.000 It's easy to go down a rabbit hole, and a lot of people want to do it.

00:11:01.000 And my bias is always actually towards like it's Occam's razor.

00:11:04.000 Like the simplest explanation is often the best one.

00:11:08.000 Yeah, I know that's how your mind works.

00:11:10.000 Welcome to our inside chats here.

00:11:12.000 Blake throwing cold water on some of our speculations.

00:11:16.000 Let's go ahead and I want to play this clip.

00:11:19.000 We got a couple questions about demographic change.

00:11:22.000 One in particular is kind of interesting.

00:11:25.000 A Chicago listener, actually, one of our many, talking about can Trump win again.

00:11:30.000 Was 2016 sort of the last time demographically that somebody like Donald Trump could win?

00:11:36.000 So it sort of ties in here.

00:11:37.000 This just came across the wire.

00:11:39.000 Play cut 164.

00:11:42.000 They oppose that venue for many reasons.

00:11:45.000 The demographics of it are interesting.

00:11:47.000 This judge's name, I believe his magistrate judge, is Mokshila Opadiya, or Opaidiya.

00:11:53.000 I might be pronouncing it wrong.

00:11:54.000 A woman of color, the judge he will be facing in the trial, Jamaican-born woman of color.

00:12:01.000 He seems to be facing sort of demographic reality, legal reality, and situational reality.

00:12:10.000 He is.

00:12:11.000 So that's Joy Reed, not a smart person. 1.00

00:12:14.000 MSNBC, affirmative action pick. 0.59

00:12:17.000 Admittedly so, by the way.

00:12:20.000 So Blake, I'm just going to throw to you, what does she mean by Trump is facing demographic reality?

00:12:27.000 I mean, it's exactly what it looks like.

00:12:29.000 It's like she's dumb enough that she sort of says what you're not supposed to say out loud, where she's just like, you know, yeah, we're going to win because we have like, you know, they will say that the right is like the one that is obsessed with race, but it's like, it's no, like you guys are the ones who are obsessed with assigning like blame, like good and bad status based on race. 0.93

00:12:50.000 And so then you just gloat where it's like, well, now we will, like, we're in charge and we're going to make, like, we're going to make Whitey pay for it, essentially. 0.98

00:13:00.000 To use the term that they used to use back in like the 60s, like, we will hold the whip hand.

00:13:06.000 And it's very, like, it's very thuggish how she phrases it, like, the glee that she has with it.

00:13:12.000 And she's like that all the time. 1.00

00:13:13.000 Yeah, did you see her little smile? 0.74

00:13:15.000 She had a little smile in there, too, like when she said a woman of color.

00:13:19.000 And then she smiled.

00:13:20.000 And then I thought Justice was supposed to be blind, but yet she says he's facing demographic reality and legal reality.

00:13:28.000 It's like you're, you know, I think the charitable way they would frame it is like, well, what they really mean is like, you know, racist white people can't bail out Trump.

00:13:37.000 But I think the reality comes through so often.

00:13:41.000 Ezra Klein, who's this, you know, liberal journalist, he's been at the New York Times.

00:13:45.000 He founded Vox.

00:13:47.000 He had a piece that he wrote a few years ago where the tone of it is amazing, where he's like, well, white people in America are okay with mass immigration as long as you sort of lie to them about how much it will change the country.

00:14:04.000 And you tell them, you know, nothing big is going to change.

00:14:06.000 It's not going to change how the overall structure of American society.

00:14:11.000 And then he sort of lets on, but it actually is because we're not going to be able to have the same political power structure in America when white people are not the majority in the country anymore.

00:14:23.000 And every so often you just get that slip where they'll just openly say like, well, white people aren't going to be able to block reparations.

00:14:31.000 They're not going to be able to block this or that change.

00:14:34.000 Like we're going to need big changes in this country once we're minority majority as they kind of nonsensically call it.

00:14:43.000 And a lot of brighter people will keep a lid on it and they'll just say like don't talk about it. 0.95

00:14:48.000 But then dumber ones, which is Joy Reed or Joe Biden, old Joe, he sometimes says that it's so great that now white people are going to be a minority. 0.95

00:14:58.000 And the reason they say this is because they actually just do have like a sinister, very racialized agenda for what they want to do to America. 0.97

00:15:06.000 It's the exact opposite of what they claim of like wanting to be, well, they used to say they wanted to be post-racial.

00:15:12.000 Now they are more glaring.

00:15:13.000 Like they're like, you can't be post-racial. 0.95

00:15:16.000 In fact, your race is the most important thing about you.

00:15:19.000 Just this week, NBC News had an article where they're explaining like, there's these people who claim that you can be transracial.

00:15:27.000 And that's not true.

00:15:28.000 And they literally have the line where it's like, even though race is based on nothing and is a social construct, you also can't change it because it's actually super duper important to everything about you.

00:15:39.000 And that's really their attitude is they switch back and forth on what they say about it based on whatever is most useful for essentially pulverizing their designated political enemies.

00:15:50.000 It's very sinister.

00:15:51.000 I'm looking for a question here that I wanted to get to.

00:15:54.000 Need advice.

00:15:55.000 John from, let's just say, yeah, from Minnesota.

00:15:59.000 What form of civil disobedience do you recommend if things get really bad with the treatment of Trump?

00:16:04.000 For instance, if he is assassinated, put behind bars, or is excluded from running, I feel we owe him the backup.

00:16:11.000 Obviously, we don't want a civil war.

00:16:13.000 John, what's your take here, Blake?

00:16:16.000 I think if you're going to do something, you want to pressure to like do it.

00:16:19.000 You want to act at like the state level, if you possibly can.

00:16:22.000 So don't just like go out and like block the street by yourself.

00:16:25.000 Like what you can really do is take inspiration from blue sanctuary cities, sanctuary states.

00:16:31.000 Get your attorney general to stop cooperating with federal law enforcement.

00:16:35.000 Be like, the DOJ is rogue, so we're going to not send them information about suspects.

00:16:39.000 We're going to not cooperate with them to the extent we possibly can.

00:16:43.000 And if you get enough red states doing that, you really gum up the system as it's supposed to work. 0.68

00:16:48.000 And I think you kind of create a political crisis rather than one where they can just easily swat you down.

00:16:54.000 Yeah, and when Blake's saying, get your AG to do something, obviously you don't snap your fingers, but there's groups that you can get involved with locally.

00:17:02.000 So find out which groups are most active.

00:17:04.000 If you can find a turning point, USA chapter, turning point action is involved, has boots on the ground in a lot of these swing states where a lot of these fights are happening.

00:17:12.000 So definitely do that.

00:17:13.000 But most of all, stay peaceful.

00:17:14.000 Don't take the bait.

00:17:16.000 I appreciate that John said we don't want a civil war.

00:17:18.000 We don't want a civil war.

00:17:19.000 Civil disobedience is cool.

00:17:21.000 Civil war is not cool.

00:17:24.000 Look what's going on with J6.

00:17:26.000 I don't even need to say more after that.

00:17:28.000 We've got a question here.

00:17:28.000 Have you guys looked into Vivek's business history, specifically Roviant social ventures?

00:17:33.000 Have you considered those details with the facts that he is part of Skull and Bones fraternity?

00:17:39.000 He says the right things, but what if he's a snake in the grass?

00:17:42.000 Would love your guys' take on this.

00:17:44.000 Let's go, Brandon.

00:17:45.000 I have not looked into specifically Roviant social ventures.

00:17:49.000 Blake, I don't know if you have.

00:17:50.000 I can tell you this.

00:17:52.000 I know Vivek personally.

00:17:53.000 I've known him now for a couple of years before his run for the presidency.

00:17:59.000 He might have been planning that run even when I knew him.

00:18:02.000 So I can't say that this isn't something he's been working on and sort of dealing with.

00:18:06.000 I can say that I do believe him because I've seen him behind the scenes when he's sort of speaking candidly and not from a script and not campaigning.

00:18:17.000 He's been like this for a long time.

00:18:20.000 I think there's another line here I actually skipped.

00:18:22.000 He's also not a Christian, yet loves to quote the founding father stating, we are all created equal and endowed by their creator.

00:18:28.000 I actually think this is the most important line of this question.

00:18:31.000 I do think, Blake, as much as I like Vivek and as much as I would support him having a role in a future Republican administration, I do think that his whole vegan thing, I think that his being a, he's Hindu, right?

00:18:44.000 I think that that is going, that is a political liability on the right to some extent, right or wrong.

00:18:50.000 I am a Christian.

00:18:52.000 There are certain things that only other Christians are going to understand and relate to.

00:18:57.000 So I do think it's going to be a political liability.

00:19:00.000 Whether it puts a ceiling on how far he can go or not is certainly a question, but I certainly respect Vivek and what he's bringing to this presidential race.

00:19:09.000 All right.

00:19:10.000 Well, so, I mean, I don't know him personally.

00:19:13.000 I certainly can't read his heart.

00:19:14.000 I will say I've spoken to people who've known him from the business world, and the description they gave is like, you know, when he was an up-and-comer, he was like Steve Jobs, which I interpret as, you know, he was very focused on business success.

00:19:27.000 He was very good at wowing people and impressing them.

00:19:30.000 And I think it's certainly possible he could be bringing that to politics, that he's, you know, he kind of charted out a way.

00:19:35.000 He's like, I want to become a political figure.

00:19:38.000 This is the angle I can approach from where I can give myself credibility with this group of people.

00:19:43.000 And this is the way I can most rapidly raise my profile.

00:19:46.000 But you can also say, like, you know, whether he really deep down means everything he says to the full extent that he indicates, does it matter as long as he, like, you know, as long as he does what we'd want him to do?

00:19:57.000 And I doubt, I don't think he would become, you know, president or take this high role and then completely pivot to something completely different because that, you know, murders your political credibility with everyone.

00:20:07.000 And so, you know, it doesn't fully matter as long as he'll do what he says he plans to do if he's in office.

00:20:14.000 I tend to agree because, listen, if he was doing the just most rapid ascent possible, he wouldn't have chosen to do it through the Republican Party anyways, right?

00:20:25.000 Because he's a brown American.

00:20:27.000 He's a successful businessman.

00:20:29.000 He could be in Congress right now.

00:20:31.000 He can see value, I think.

00:20:32.000 And I think, you know, as a businessman, he can sense that Republicans actually do.

00:20:37.000 We really like it when there's someone who kind of goes against the look of the typical Republican.

00:20:44.000 And those people can rise very quickly.

00:20:47.000 And I think he may have recognized there was some value in that.

00:20:51.000 Again, that doesn't mean, though, he's not authentically against wokeness.

00:20:54.000 That's where he has the most credibility on.

00:20:56.000 I do think he is good at saying what will impress the crowd he is with in terms of what he'll choose to focus on.

00:21:02.000 So in Silicon Valley, he'll emphasize, I'm against this woke stuff that screws with your business.

00:21:08.000 But in Iowa, he's perfectly happy to quote the Bible a lot and kind of leave people with the impression that he might be a Christian when, as you said, he's a Hindu.

00:21:17.000 I don't think vegetarianism or veganism will matter that much.

00:21:21.000 I think that's the sort of thing that the right will harp on if it's a liberal, but if he's on their side, they're not going to care.

00:21:27.000 I tend to believe, you know, I think here's my honest take on Vivek.

00:21:32.000 I think he's super smart.

00:21:33.000 I think he's a great marketer, great communicator.

00:21:35.000 But here's the thing.

00:21:36.000 We need that in our political leaders to be a great marketer.

00:21:40.000 You have to be.

00:21:41.000 I mean, some would say that Ron DeSantis has the exact opposite problem, right?

00:21:46.000 Where he's a great operator.

00:21:47.000 He's run Florida incredibly well.

00:21:50.000 But as a marketer, you know, he's kind of weak on that front, right?

00:21:54.000 So he is struggling to get that message out when he's away from a press conference setting.

00:22:00.000 By the way, I think that's when Ron DeSantis is absolutely at his strongest is when he's in a presser going back and forth with belligerent members of the media.

00:22:09.000 Now, so you need that strength.

00:22:12.000 Again, I would say that to your point, he's not going to go straight against what he said publicly.

00:22:16.000 You know, we can't read the man's heart.

00:22:18.000 That's true.

00:22:19.000 But he's not going to just about face.

00:22:20.000 He would have zero credibility.

00:22:21.000 It would ruin his career.

00:22:22.000 He's too smart to know that.

00:22:23.000 So I think we have to be honest with ourselves about our political leaders, that they are making a calculation all the time.

00:22:30.000 And he's a guy who's trying to rise above, out of the fray, be noticed.

00:22:34.000 So he's going to pick a path that aligns most with his values, but he also knows going to make a splash.

00:22:42.000 And frankly, he doesn't just say what everybody wants him to say because he's kind of recently screwed up on the immigration thing, which is something you and I actually talked to him in between breaks.

00:22:51.000 I remember that day one time when we were sort of like telling him our POV on immigration, and he was like, I'm still thinking through it, you know, honestly.

00:22:58.000 So I thought that was an interesting insight.

00:23:00.000 But listen, I think Vivek's great in general.

00:23:02.000 I think he's going to be a great addition to our just the future.

00:23:06.000 He's 37, I think, years old.

00:23:07.000 So he's got a bright future in the conservative movement.

00:23:10.000 I do think he's authentic.

00:23:11.000 Next question here, Occam's Razor.

00:23:13.000 Andrew, your guest is off the rail on this.

00:23:16.000 Occam's Razor is the agent provocateur's planned and instigated the riot.

00:23:21.000 Ray Epps on video.

00:23:22.000 Andrew, come on, man.

00:23:23.000 It was obviously a Fed surrection.

00:23:26.000 So I just wanted to throw that in there for you, Blake, because Occam's Razor is that the simplest, most obvious explanation is probably true.

00:23:37.000 And so our audience thinks that it was a Fed surrection.

00:23:40.000 Blake, no comments here for you.

00:23:42.000 Go ahead.

00:23:43.000 Well, it's true.

00:23:43.000 Do you want to react?

00:23:44.000 I mean, I would just say, like, okay, if what's on camera is a lot of people who, you know, are chanting a thing and they go into the Capitol chanting that thing and they do stuff.

00:23:54.000 And then if your explanation is there's, you know, at minimum, several dozen people who are all secretly involved with something that they planned out in advance in something that's wildly unpredictable and involves tens of thousands of people.

00:24:08.000 I mean, be my guest.

00:24:09.000 I can't tell you what to think.

00:24:10.000 That's just how I lean on it.

00:24:12.000 And I think there would be slightly more proof forthcoming at this point, even though I think it's an interesting question and we should investigate it.

00:24:19.000 Yeah, I definitely am getting more and more on the Fed surrection side of things.

00:24:24.000 And even if it wasn't quite as creepy and as well thought through, it probably took on a life of its own at some point where even the people that were kind of, let's just say, in the mastermind aspect as we think about it.

00:24:36.000 But it probably took on a life of its own and surprised even them.

00:24:40.000 That's my current running theory.

00:24:41.000 And you got to remember, Blake, where is the pipe bomber?

00:24:44.000 Why can we not fight in the pipe bomber?

00:24:45.000 That one stands out the most to me, too.

00:24:47.000 I'm stunned on that one.

00:24:50.000 That's definitely the shadiest part of the whole thing to me.

00:24:53.000 And Stevenson was, it's his job to keep the Capitol safe and they didn't empower him.

00:24:57.000 So that's super ton.

00:24:58.000 Okay.

00:24:59.000 So this is the Obama question.

00:25:01.000 Guys, you're missing the forest of the trees. 0.98

00:25:04.000 Joe Biden is a puppet president. 0.97

00:25:06.000 He was installed. 0.96

00:25:07.000 Obama is pulling the strings.

00:25:09.000 Everybody knows it.

00:25:10.000 You need to focus on Obama.

00:25:11.000 Stop ignoring the biggie on the eye chart.

00:25:14.000 Okay.

00:25:15.000 Blake, do you agree?

00:25:16.000 I think you actually might agree with that.

00:25:18.000 Well, so what's been going viral the last couple days is there's an article in Tablet magazine, which is kind of funny because it's going viral, even though there's not much new in it per se.

00:25:28.000 It's an interview with David Garrow, who's a historian and biographer.

00:25:32.000 And about six years ago, he wrote the biography Rising Star, which is about Obama's early life up to, I think, when he gets elected president.

00:25:40.000 So it's not about his presidency.

00:25:42.000 It's just young Obama.

00:25:44.000 And he found all this interesting stuff that no one noticed because essentially the book was a thousand pages long and who has time to read that stuff?

00:25:52.000 You know, so they're interviewing him, but they also bring up, they're like, just some obvious things.

00:25:56.000 They're like, most U.S. presidents, when they leave office, they leave D.C. That's their tradition.

00:26:00.000 Like, you get out, you're not still in power.

00:26:02.000 New president's in charge.

00:26:03.000 It's kind of, it's a democratic tradition that we have, not Democrat Party, but, you know, okay, I said our democracy, which I know Charlie hates, our Republic, our Republican tradition, if you will.

00:26:13.000 But Obama didn't do that.

00:26:14.000 He stuck around in town.

00:26:15.000 They said the reason was so that their daughter, Sasha, could finish high school.

00:26:20.000 And then she finished high school in 2019.

00:26:23.000 And they're still in D.C.

00:26:25.000 They still live in D.C.

00:26:26.000 And Biden's White House, where we know Biden himself is not all there all the time, is full of all of these old Obama veterans.

00:26:35.000 Obama still visits the White House.

00:26:37.000 When he does, they're all hanging out with Obama.

00:26:39.000 And Joe Biden is literally talking to the curtains.

00:26:42.000 There was a video of that a while ago.

00:26:45.000 And so he just, this piece brings up the relevant question.

00:26:48.000 What if Obama basically is still, you know, not necessarily the shadow president, but this very much big man in Democrat politics and we're just not talking about it.

00:26:58.000 Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting, too, when we think back to this very famous clip.

00:27:01.000 Go ahead and play 167.

00:27:03.000 What you know now, do you wish you had a third term?

00:27:09.000 And I used to say, you know what?

00:27:12.000 If I could make an arrangement where I had a stand-in, a front man or front woman, and they had an earpiece in, and I was just in my basement in my sweats looking through the stuff, and then I could sort of deliver the lines, but somebody else was doing all the talking and ceremony.

00:27:33.000 I'd be fine with that.

00:27:35.000 This piece is very fascinating.

00:27:39.000 There is a very explosive part of this.

00:27:43.000 Now, if you are like Blake and I, and you've been sort of aware of this stuff for a while, there are allegations here.

00:27:50.000 And you're going to have to explain this to me, Blake, because I skimmed this piece.

00:27:54.000 I think you've read it in depth.

00:27:55.000 There's allegations that this guy went back into college records and found a letter where Obama said he fantasizes about, you know, essentially being gay.

00:28:07.000 Am I reading that?

00:28:09.000 This is what's so weird about it.

00:28:10.000 This thing is going really viral.

00:28:11.000 I mean, Chris Rufos tweeted about it.

00:28:13.000 Our friend Jack Pisobic's been tweeting about it, I believe.

00:28:15.000 Like, everyone's noticing this.

00:28:17.000 And what's so funny to me is it's not new.

00:28:20.000 This book, Rising Star, had a lot of content about this.

00:28:25.000 I think the specific letter they're talking about was published in the Emory archives around 2019.

00:28:30.000 You can find articles in like American Thinker talking about this, but it didn't get wider play for some reason.

00:28:36.000 But there's all these just very strange letters that Obama wrote when he was, you know, a young man in college.

00:28:44.000 And one of them is he literally wrote a letter to one of his girlfriends in which, and then what's great is this Garrow guy in this interview, it's that he described getting the letter from this girlfriend.

00:28:55.000 And then it's with Alex, that's the name of the girlfriend.

00:28:59.000 I think she wanted to have her role known.

00:29:01.000 So when Alex showed me the letters from Barack, she redacted one paragraph in one of them and then just said, quote, it's about homosexuality.

00:29:10.000 And then they go to, eventually they surface in Emory.

00:29:15.000 And he literally has this line in this letter where he's like, I make love to men in my mind, in my imagination.

00:29:23.000 And that's a letter he wrote to a girlfriend.

00:29:26.000 I can't remember if it's the same letter or a different one, but this is described in the biography.

00:29:31.000 It says that Obama had, quote, considered gayness, but he opted for the greater challenge of a heterosexual relationship, which, I mean, maybe he did. 0.60

00:29:43.000 I feel like that's not the usual explanation given by straight people for why they are straight.

00:29:50.000 I can't speak for all of us, but that's the claim that he put forward.

00:29:55.000 And it just is making everyone suddenly raise an eyebrow.

00:29:58.000 Like, wait a minute.

00:29:59.000 And I think it's so funny.

00:30:00.000 One, that, you know, the right is often very interested in Obama's origins with the birther thing, with, you know, kind of the roots of Obama's rage stuff that Dinesh J'Souza did.

00:30:10.000 And then they sort of took a few years to notice this.

00:30:13.000 Like, you know, what if a lot of the mystery of Obama is just, what if he's just gay? 0.61

00:30:19.000 So I have a whole take, like psychological make on Obama.

00:30:25.000 I think he was just a confused kid who came from both backgrounds. 0.96

00:30:30.000 He very well could be gay. 0.87

00:30:32.000 That's chosen heterosexual relationships. 0.98

00:30:35.000 I don't know.

00:30:36.000 I do think that he looms large within Democrat establishment politics.

00:30:41.000 I think that he's absolutely become more racialized.

00:30:44.000 Even his girlfriend that he broke up with that kind of starts out this tablet piece, that is sort of one of the explanations that he gave, right?

00:30:54.000 He broke up with her after seeing some documentary that was like, you know, American black experience.

00:31:01.000 It's part of his self-identification as a black man was part of this story.

00:31:06.000 So my take on Obama is that he was a very confused kid from mixed backgrounds, mixed geographies, didn't have much of a core or a center, and then sort of found this later in life with, you know, his pastor.

00:31:21.000 What was that guy's name again?

00:31:22.000 Jeremiah Wright.

00:31:24.000 His flirting around the edges with Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam.

00:31:29.000 For the people that this worked on, he was this embodiment of a new America, this sort of fusion of old and new.

00:31:36.000 And for the people that it didn't work on, it was like, this guy has no core.

00:31:40.000 He doesn't know who the heck he is.

00:31:42.000 And that's why Obama, frankly, sounded pretty reasonable.

00:31:45.000 If you go back to like 2006, 2008, when he was running for president, fast forward to now, the guy's a complete radical.

00:31:52.000 Like he's gone.

00:31:53.000 He is gone with the flow completely with the Democrat Party.

00:31:57.000 Well, I think the radicalism of Obama can be somewhat overstated.

00:32:01.000 I mean, his administration is vastly less radical than certainly than Biden's is now.

00:32:06.000 And I just don't think the Democratic Party going radical is a very top-down thing.

00:32:11.000 To the extent he wanted more radical, he just went along with the way the party was going.

00:32:15.000 Sort of, you know, took a slow play.

00:32:17.000 He's not pro-gay marriage until 2012.

00:32:19.000 As far as Obama's origins, one thing I do think is funny is we just don't seem to see this for a lot of other people.

00:32:24.000 Like I feel like we don't get psychological takes on like why Joe Biden wanted to become president.

00:32:30.000 We don't get psychological takes on why George W. Bush wanted to be president.

00:32:33.000 We just got ones on why he wanted to invade Iraq.

00:32:36.000 So it's just sort of like, well, what's Obama's origin?

00:32:39.000 He's an ambitious politician who wanted to become president.

00:32:42.000 There is a tension, though, with his upbringing because it's very telling about what drives the man, and it's very mysterious.

00:32:54.000 I mean, even this guy's in this.

00:32:56.000 I think it's not super complicated.

00:32:58.000 I mean, he has certain like, he has some racial sort of head stuff because remember, he is half black, but he was raised by his white mother.

00:33:07.000 His black father was not really in his life.

00:33:09.000 His stepfather was also not black.

00:33:12.000 He was substantially raised by his white grandparents as well.

00:33:15.000 So he has some racial, you know, like who am I type stuff, which he's discovering.

00:33:21.000 He also, you know, he becomes, he discovers he has a natural flair for politics.

00:33:26.000 He sort of becomes a man of very intense ambitions.

00:33:29.000 He rises very quickly.

00:33:31.000 And I think he deduces as part of that, he needs the authenticity of being like a black American when he, you know, is not a descendant of American slaves.

00:33:39.000 So he needs that authenticity. 0.91

00:33:40.000 That's part of why he feels he, you know, needs to date and marry a black woman to gain some of that authenticity. 0.91

00:33:46.000 And not saying that the whole relationship is a fraud like some people say.

00:33:49.000 I just think that influenced who he was interested in in the first place.

00:33:54.000 And then he's able to rise very quickly because he's still a very kind of white-coated person.

00:33:59.000 And that was really what he offered to people is he was a black politician who still kind of, you know, he talked like a guy who watched the West Wing and is, you know, kind of, you know, would fit in with the prep school crowd, as it were.

00:34:11.000 And that allows him to just rocket to the top of American politics so quickly.

00:34:16.000 I think you're right.

00:34:17.000 I think you're right.

00:34:17.000 But I do think back to the original question that we were asked, Barack Obama pulling the strings, 10 seconds.

00:34:23.000 I think it could easily be happening.

00:34:25.000 I don't think it means he's a shadow president, but I do think he's easily an organizing node for the people who still strongly influence the establishment of the Democrat Party and what they do.

00:34:34.000 Yeah, I think it's 100% right.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 06, 2023

Ask Charlie Anything 155: J6 Inside Job? Civil Disobedience? Rainbow Obama?

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