Pro-Life leaders are mad at Donald Trump. They believe he is betraying his pro-life promises. How can we get them back on track? What can we do to make them feel better about it?
00:00:33.000Of course, you can, but some people disagree.
00:00:36.000Talk about the Arizona Supreme Court decision and more.
00:00:40.000We also discuss the FISA news that has come out of Congress, including how a turning point alumni is really standing her ground and doing a wonderful job.
00:00:53.000We also talk about getting your PhD from Harvard.
00:00:57.000And finally, we talk about Nebraska and whether or not they are going to get this across the finish line.
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00:02:11.000Let's go to the first question here from Lisa.
00:02:13.000Charlie, how can we stop what I'm calling holier than thou wars that are going on social media since Trump came out with his stance on abortion?
00:02:23.000And what I heard was a states' rights issue, but he also mentioned exceptions that are akin to Ronald Reagan's exceptions.
00:02:29.000Now, every pro-life group is outraged, some even saying they're turning in their Republican card.
00:02:35.000A candidate cannot make changes until he's in office.
00:02:37.000How do we appease these groups, all of whom I believe Trump will give an audience to, so he can affect real change and get them back on track.
00:02:56.000I don't want to speak for them, how upset they are, but they've been saying some things publicly, and they're fired up.
00:03:01.000And they're fired up because they believe and they think, based on some of the things that Donald Trump has said, is that he's betraying his pro-life promises.
00:03:09.000I might be a little charged in my vocabulary selection, but he's turning his back on some of the pro-life promises, and he's no longer a pro-life president.
00:03:17.000So there's a lot of things going on here right now.
00:03:19.000So, first of which is, you're right, Donald Trump does give an audience to pro-life groups, and he was the most pro-life president in modern American history.
00:03:28.000Understand, abortion would not be a primary topic on any of our political lists or conversations outside of on the fringes if he would not have repealed Roe versus Wade, sending it back to the states where it is necessary.
00:03:45.000I'm 100% pro-life, and I remain 100% pro-life.
00:03:48.000And your principles and your moral stances must be very clear.
00:03:53.000I hope one day that our politics can be in alignment with what I think is the morally correct stance on abortion, very similar to how we abolished slavery in the 1800s.
00:04:24.000For pro-life leaders that, and I got to give Blake credit on the team, because Blake has really kind of pulled the alarm on this.
00:04:32.000The pro-life leaders are afraid that the Republican Party is going to become the Republican Party, like in Canada, where there's no pro-life movement whatsoever.
00:04:40.000That the pro-life position has no political home and it just disappears into oblivion.
00:05:21.000If you allow November to become a referendum on abortion, evidence suggests our side will lose and more babies will die.
00:05:28.000If we win in November, we'll be positioned to claw back radical pro-abortion policies while we continue to persuade more voters on the horror of the horrors of killing babies.
00:05:37.000Win and we can save lives and lose and even more will die.
00:05:41.000Now, the criticism some people would say about that tweet is, Charlie, you are compromising your pro-life position.
00:06:43.000Morally delegitimize the pro-abortion cause.
00:06:46.000But we're not strong enough in numbers or will yet to impose a nationwide ban on a country that rejects it.
00:06:53.000And that is an uncomfortable truth for my incredible brethren in the pro-life movement.
00:07:01.000Because for those of us that are pro-life, we see it so clearly.
00:07:05.000We don't understand how people could look at it any other way.
00:07:10.000And therefore, there is a fair amount of impatience and anger that sets in because those of us that are pro-life say, well, if you're not with us, then you're against us, and I won't move or compromise an inch.
00:07:24.000It's not even a matter of compromising.
00:07:26.000It's a matter of taking incremental wins towards a greater goal and a greater purpose.
00:07:32.000But I will repeat what I said, which is a very difficult truth, but it's a necessary one.
00:07:38.000Our movement is not yet strong enough to impose a nationwide ban on a country that currently rejects it.
00:07:46.000We had to fight for 50 years just to overturn Roe versus Wade.
00:07:50.000And we have to remember the way we fought in those times when banning abortion was literally impossible.
00:07:58.000That would have been unthinkable 10 years ago.
00:08:02.000And so the way that it looks, it's going to be just the kind of a chart where we have a huge win, and then there's going to be a little bit of a regression and a retreat.
00:08:11.000And then there'll be a win, and then there'll be a retreat.
00:08:13.000But the moving average, the trend is our friend.
00:08:29.000With limited resources, limited money, 50 years of fervent prayer and activism, launching a multi-decade legal strategy, got it done.
00:08:40.000We have scored wins, and there are children alive today who would not be alive today if it was not for Dobbs and the heroic work of pro-lifers.
00:08:48.000But we are not on the brink of final victory, and we cannot act as though we are.
00:08:53.000It's likely going to take another 50 years to get to our end point.
00:08:59.000And that will require cultural change, spiritual change, political change.
00:09:25.000So I see it in a very balanced perspective as someone who's 100% pro-life.
00:09:31.000And I think I'm uniquely positioned to do that because some individuals with their head down in the pro-life movement are very foreign to politics.
00:09:40.000And some people that are very head down in the political movement are very foreign to the moral crusade of getting rid of abortion in this country.
00:09:50.000I happen to be both trying to change hearts and minds in the cultural, ideological, and spiritual landscape while simultaneously trying to increase political power for good causes against evil, for righteousness, the Constitution, for life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness.
00:10:06.000So both things can be simultaneously true.
00:10:09.000So what then needs, how do you, the question Lisa asked, who's a member, thank youmembers.charliekirk.com, how can we deal with the holier than now?
00:10:16.000Look, first of all, understand where they're coming from because they actually are advocating for the right thing.
00:10:21.000Secondly, ask a series of questions, which I've been doing all week, which is, do you think having no political power like we do in New York and California will advance the pro-life cause?
00:10:34.000Now, their objection is, well, Charlie, all you care about is winning elections.
00:10:38.000No, it's not all I care about, but it is a primary concern because winning elections gets you political power that then allows you to get policies.
00:11:42.000And there might be some movement perishing happening.
00:11:45.000What does that new 50-year strategy look like?
00:11:47.000I have some ideas, and I think that is worth getting into the details of.
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00:13:56.000The current abortion decision by the Supreme Court in Arizona was technically legally the right decision.
00:14:02.000It's one that I morally agree with, but it is unpopular with the people in Arizona, and Arizona is a must-win state.
00:14:09.000So President Trump is trying to float out the idea, float out, hey, he does not want to be tied to the unpopularity of this current measure.
00:14:43.000However, you want to try to have the most morally clear position that can fit within the popular will of the people so you can get political power.
00:14:54.000There are positions that we hold that are unfortunately untenable with the American people.
00:15:00.000So you try to find one that is the best version of that, and then you try to find out how you can make it fit with the American people.
00:15:08.000That is the whole idea of the will of the people and the sovereign.
00:15:12.000And sometimes the people, they don't want the morally correct and clear position.
00:15:17.000So do you completely betray or do you, your deeply held beliefs that are rooted in scripture and rooted in truth?
00:16:09.000Charlie, as a conservative heading into my first year as a PhD student at Harvard, surrounded by predominantly liberal perspectives, what strategies do you recommend for maintaining intellectual independence and fostering constructive dialogue while staying true to my principles, all without getting in trouble with my views?
00:16:25.000That is definitely written by someone who's getting a PhD.
00:16:28.000The best thing I could say is you will be an intellectual minority.
00:16:32.000Ask more questions than you tell people's statements.
00:16:34.000Try to find weak spots in people's arguments, and that will strong your arguments.
00:16:39.000And read vociferously, there's another good word for you, and go deep into these ideas.
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00:18:10.000Okay, let's get to another question here.
00:18:13.000Michael says, Charlie, when Nebraska Republicans fail to act, what will you say to you about the nature of conservatives and future ways of addressing the future?
00:18:21.000You see, Michael, you're far more black-pilled than I am.
00:18:24.000Black pilling means that you think everything is just pessimistic.
00:18:27.000I have confidence that Nebraska is going to act.
00:18:30.000I have confidence that the governor is going to call Nebraska into session, a special session, anytime now.
00:18:37.000And I have confidence that once called into special session, the senators will do the right thing and make Nebraska winner take all.
00:18:42.000Because I can't imagine the great conservatives of Nebraska being able to justify to the rest of the 300 million Americans that will be looking at Nebraska, not 300, let's say 100 million Americans, why did you give us the Joe Biden presidency?
00:19:00.000But if they don't do it, it will be Nebraska Republicans telling you we don't care that much about Joe Biden becoming president.
00:19:13.000It has always been a matter of the will.
00:19:16.000If Democrats, in April of an election year, for whatever reason, in California or in Massachusetts, could find a way to guarantee another electoral vote for their cause, they would absolutely do it.
00:19:34.000So I'm not quite where you are yet, Michael, but we shall see.
00:19:37.000If they end up not doing it, it is them sending a message that the country is not that important.
00:19:45.000Okay, let's get to, boy, a lot of questions about the Arizona Supreme Court.
00:19:50.000I think we've covered that thoroughly here.
00:20:48.000Okay, so you asked the question here, response to topics of racism versus pattern recognition.
00:20:54.000Okay, so this is an interesting topic in the sense that if you notice a pattern, and I don't even want to make this racial, but if you notice a pattern that doesn't necessarily make you bigoted, or it doesn't mean that you have anything, any sort of stereotype, any sort of stereotype towards a specific group.
00:21:20.000In fact, God gave us the ability to notice patterns.
00:21:24.000Let me give you a very innocent, not innocent, just like just an example off the top of my head, which is if you're driving at 2 o'clock in the morning and there's a car that is swerving left and right, that is a pattern that you are recognizing.
00:21:43.000And you suppose that that person is drunk and they're a drunk driver, and you should.
00:21:48.000If you're in school and you see that a certain group of students do not do their homework, that is a pattern and you recognize that pattern.
00:21:57.000So there's nothing necessarily wrong with pattern recognition.
00:22:02.000The activists on the left think that there's something inherently wrong with recognizing any sort of patterns, especially when it comes to crime.
00:22:12.000It is not racist to simply state the fact that 55 plus percent of all murders are done by 13% of the population.
00:22:25.000Largely, God gave us this ability to look at pattern recognition as a way, dare I say, you know, to analyze data in a synthesized fashion.
00:22:43.000It is never racist to observe a real pattern.
00:22:50.000And it's never wrong to use your brain to notice something.
00:22:55.000If you notice that there is a theme or a trend, and then somebody says you can't notice that theme or trend and you're a bad person for doing so, you then should ask the next question.
00:23:26.000So, boy, a lot of questions from Nebraska.
00:23:30.000Lexa says, when you talk about fight, that we need to have if the election doesn't go our way, can you expound on what does that mean?
00:23:36.000Growing up a good Christian always meant coming under authority.
00:23:38.000Now, of course, I feel government authority is completely wrong, but when does civil disobedience cross the line, or how do we ever know how much we should buck against law?
00:23:45.000Okay, so media matters and all these groups come out and say, Charlie Kirk says we should fight if the election doesn't go our way.
00:24:08.000I mean, you could have a montage of Joe Biden saying, we must fight for women's rights or fight for this or fight for reproductive freedom.
00:24:15.000And so, when I mean by fight, I don't mean go take go into the streets.
00:24:18.000I simply mean that you do not give up, you continue to organize, you continue to rally, you do not give in to the predominant viewpoints around us.
00:24:30.000Okay, how about this Frank here, who is a member at members.charlikirk.com.
00:24:48.000I think that in general, you know, in discussing it amongst each other, and then also to knowing for a fact that this was the tool that really the Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Biden administrations used to spy on this president.
00:25:00.000We ensured that that can't happen again.
00:25:03.000I mean, it literally has been responsible and breached, I think, over a quarter of a million times, in additional to the fact that they actually had made carve-outs in this legislation for members of Congress, but not the general population.
00:25:16.000Meaning that if you're a member of Congress, you'll be notified by the FBI nicely that you're being under surveillance, but if you're a normal person, that you're not.
00:25:24.000Ana Paulina is now throwing up a rare procedural hurdle.
00:25:28.000This is Turning Point USA alum at finest Ana Paulina as an American hero on FISA renewal, which will force another vote and delay sending the bill to the Senate.
00:25:48.000They passed the bill 273 to 147 here, but there was a motion made by Ana Paulina Luna, Republican from Florida, that's going to hold this up, and there's going to have to be another vote to kind of discharge this to get this over to the Senate.
00:26:05.000All that is a delaying tactic, but they have passed the bill.
00:26:09.000The bill is, in fact, passed, but they can't send it across to the Senate.
00:26:13.000Keep in mind that there is a deadline here in about a week and a half where the Senate has to sync up with the House or the House has to align with the Senate to make sure that these programs don't go dark.
00:26:22.000But they have passed the bill today, two-year reauthorization through 2026.
00:26:28.000I want to just reiterate this: Ana Paulina Luna being a turning point alumni is almost single-handedly delaying the FISA bill.
00:26:35.000It is just a delay tactic, and it is not itself going to block the bill.
00:27:18.000It dies by a bunch of congressmen saying the Fourth Amendment, they got that wrong.
00:27:23.000That George Washington and Alexander Hamilton and John Jay and the beautiful, amazing founding of this country was incorrect.
00:27:32.000They weren't as smart as we are today.
00:27:36.000And I want to repeat cut 123, the abuses by the FBI, Play Cut 123.
00:27:43.000This court document released just a few hours ago found that the FBI misused a popular digital surveillance tool on everyday Americans more than 278,000 times in 2020 going into 2021.
00:27:59.000We're specifically talking about section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, also known as FISA.
00:28:07.000It gives the FBI and other agencies the ability to digitally surveil without a court order or a warrant.
00:28:14.000We now know the FBI used the tool on people connected to the civil unrest following the death of George Floyd on the streets of the United States, those involved in the January 6th capital attack, even political donors.
00:28:26.000According to the court, a redacted name or names, quote, conducted a batch query for over 19,000 donors to a congressional campaign.
00:30:22.000But albeit I was in expectation that FISA was going to pass.
00:30:28.000But when there's an up or down vote to allow, to say, hey, FBI, you have to get a warrant, and that fails, that is a gut punch to the Republic.
00:30:41.000That is a gut punch to the Constitution.
00:30:47.000That you have to get a warrant to spy on Americans.
00:30:55.000The Speaker could have abstained from voting.
00:30:59.000You know, if Speaker Johnson would have abstained from voting, we could have put an attachment of the amendment there.
00:31:04.000Speaker Johnson could have been a hero in this story.
00:31:09.000Just a little reminder: the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, any particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons thereof to be seized.
00:31:30.000And who are the ones that are pushing for FISA?
00:31:40.000Hamas, we know, has a presence here in the United States.
00:31:44.000The idea that we would turn off the prime vision, the prime insight that we have into terrorists who are overseas, terrorists like Hamas terrorists, who may, in fact, be talking to people in the United States and planning activities here.
00:31:59.000We don't know that, but it's certainly a top priority for the FBI right now.
00:32:04.000The idea that we would turn off that flow of information, which is entirely lawful and has survived every court challenge, is just astounding to me.
00:32:12.000There is no one in the community, in the intelligence community, who would support such a thing.
00:33:08.000And there are even some Democrats that are not willing to give the Uniparty, the regime, unchecked authority to surveil Americans.
00:33:18.000Joe Biden continues, sections of 702, including U.S. person queries, are essential to identify and disrupt threats to our national security.
00:33:26.000Joe Biden says the greatest threat to our national security is white Christian nationalism, white rural rage, white supremacy, domestic violent extremists, they say that are all white political organizations.
00:33:39.000Are they going to use this to go after MAGA?
00:33:42.000They're using it today to go after the Trump movement at its core.
00:33:53.000The Biggs Amendment is a threat to national security.
00:33:57.000The White House of the United States of America in year 2024 says that the Constitution is an impediment to keeping us safe.
00:34:08.000You cannot have both liberty and safety.
00:34:16.000Joe Biden thinks the Fourth Amendment is a threat to national security, just like he believes that free speech is a threat to national security.
00:34:25.000I'm going to keep on arguing and advocating for the Fourth Amendment and the Constitution.
00:34:30.000I just wish our Republicans would do the same.