The Charlie Kirk Show - Ask Charlie Anything 186: Secret Conservatives? Time for a Third Party? What's the Matter with Islam?

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00:01:34.000 I'm going to take the first question, then we'll get to this one.

00:01:36.000 And it's very simple.

00:01:37.000 It's from one of our members, members.charliekirk.com.

00:01:39.000 Charlie, you a Broncos fan now?

00:01:43.000 And Blake, you have big problems like cheering for players because I'm a big Bo Knicks guy.

00:01:47.000 You know, if you want to be supportive of him, but you know, when you get these things, it's like when I think Brady Quinn got drafted by the Browns, and then his sister was married to AJ Hawk on the Packers and she got like a double juice.

00:02:00.000 It's like, no, you have to cheer for one team.

00:02:02.000 None of us.

00:02:03.000 You cheer for players.

00:02:04.000 You cheer for one country.

00:02:05.000 You cheer for one football team.

00:02:07.000 I cheer for multiple teams against several.

00:02:11.000 And then I just love certain players.

00:02:12.000 It's like my mom is the world's last remaining die-hard Carson Wentz fan because I think his parents went to the circumstances.

00:02:19.000 Yeah, he was from North Dakota.

00:02:19.000 He's from North Dakota.

00:02:21.000 And even his parents went to her high school.

00:02:22.000 I think she was a couple years apart from them.

00:02:24.000 But not going good with the Carson Wentz fandom.

00:02:28.000 But she'll eventually cheer for every team in the NFL.

00:02:30.000 Is he still in the NFL?

00:02:31.000 I think he's a backup somewhere right now.

00:02:33.000 He had one of the saddest stories.

00:02:34.000 He was poised to win that Super Bowl, and then he got hurt that.

00:02:37.000 And then Nick Foles won it.

00:02:39.000 It's too bad.

00:02:39.000 It does feel dark, but it's like he was the reason they made that Super Bowl.

00:02:42.000 If Nick Foles was their quarterback that whole season, they probably wouldn't have made the playoffs.

00:02:46.000 Nick Foles got hot, though, at the right time.

00:02:47.000 He got hot at the right team.

00:02:48.000 He earned the Super Bowl.

00:02:49.000 But Carson was on an MVP track until he got hurt.

00:02:53.000 And then Foles had a magical run as well.

00:02:56.000 But I feel it is sad.

00:02:58.000 Like, there's an element of tragedy to it, but he got a Super Bowl ring.

00:03:01.000 They should be grateful for that.

00:03:03.000 And a lot of money.

00:03:04.000 And a ton of money.

00:03:04.000 It's worth like $100 million.

00:03:06.000 Yeah, it's like, yeah.

00:03:07.000 So it's really not a tragedy.

00:03:09.000 And so someone, the second part of the question is, did you like the Bears draft?

00:03:12.000 I thought they crushed it.

00:03:13.000 They got Caleb Williams and Roman Dunes.

00:03:15.000 It's exactly what I would have done.

00:03:16.000 Now we're outrunning my expertise.

00:03:18.000 You're a Packer fan.

00:03:19.000 I am, but I am an adamant, I have adamantly refused to go with Roger Goodell's plot to force me to care about the NFL all year.

00:03:27.000 So I will look up who the Packers drafted when it is late August and the NFL season is about to start and it makes sense for me to care.

00:03:35.000 My favorite text message I ever got from Blake with the football, I said, hey, we should tweet. 0.93

00:03:40.000 We all agree Roger Goodell sucks. 0.95

00:03:42.000 And he said, what did he do? 0.99

00:03:44.000 I said, he walked on stage.

00:03:47.000 That's it. 0.88

00:03:48.000 Roger Goodell is the worst at worst.

00:03:50.000 Would you agree is the worst sports commissioner of any major sport?

00:03:53.000 I mean, the guy, who's the guy who does baseball?

00:03:56.000 I can't remember the name.

00:03:57.000 He's pretty bad, too.

00:03:58.000 I know who it used to be.

00:03:59.000 I don't know who.

00:04:00.000 Baseball, they're totally missed.

00:04:01.000 Baseball, they added the extra runner and extra innings.

00:04:05.000 And as a purist, that offends me very deeply.

00:04:08.000 But Goodell's pretty bad, too. 0.88

00:04:09.000 Goodell's probably the most evil. 0.75

00:04:11.000 I don't know if he's the most evil.

00:04:12.000 Goodell does some really bad stuff.

00:04:14.000 But clearly, the NFL has been sitting there.

00:04:15.000 I love the NFL draft.

00:04:16.000 After like the fourth time he's walked up to the mic, he gets booed so much.

00:04:19.000 He's like, guys, just stop it.

00:04:21.000 Every time he walks up to the mic, you just gotta live it up.

00:04:26.000 I think Silver NFL.

00:04:28.000 He like really, he's like, yeah, yeah, give me the hate.

00:04:30.000 You have to just live it up a bit.

00:04:31.000 You get paid $25 million a year.

00:04:33.000 You get a million for every team.

00:04:34.000 So you have $32 million a year.

00:04:35.000 Yeah.

00:04:36.000 He literally makes $32 million a year to get booed.

00:04:39.000 Stop acting as if you're so upset.

00:04:41.000 All right.

00:04:41.000 So let's get into some real questions here.

00:04:44.000 But yes, I have my Bo Nick's jersey on the way.

00:04:49.000 I think he's going to be a sleeper.

00:04:51.000 I really, I really do.

00:04:52.000 Okay, let's go to another question here.

00:04:54.000 Let's read it.

00:04:55.000 Charlie, really appreciate all you do.

00:04:57.000 You're a beacon of sanity in the ocean of complete chaos.

00:04:59.000 I'm 55, listened to Rush since 1992 and greatly miss listening to him.

00:05:03.000 But you and Stephen K. Banner and a few others are following in his footstep for the Lord's word.

00:05:06.000 Thank you.

00:05:07.000 I've lost all hope in the Republican Party to be able to resurrect itself.

00:05:10.000 I understand the split in the vote argument, but there are so many disenfranchised conservatives today.

00:05:14.000 If there is ever time for a third party, this has to be it.

00:05:17.000 What is your thoughts on that?

00:05:18.000 Follow-up question: considered running ads on Clay and Buck Show.

00:05:22.000 You're much more of a warrior than them.

00:05:23.000 Okay, I'm going to ignore that part, but let's talk about third party.

00:05:25.000 Blake, what do you understand the temptation to go third party?

00:05:28.000 And let's talk about why that's a bad idea.

00:05:30.000 Exactly.

00:05:30.000 It's always understandable because we have it's a natural byproduct of we have a two-party system in America.

00:05:37.000 We have two major parties.

00:05:39.000 So in other countries, Israel, for example, they have proportional representation in the Knesset.

00:05:44.000 So if you want to do your little thing, you make your own party, and there's 20 parties represented.

00:05:49.000 In America, every election is fundamentally first past the post.

00:05:53.000 Who gets the most votes gets that office?

00:05:56.000 And there's all these factional splits within the parties.

00:05:59.000 This makes it really easy to be disappointed because there's always Republicans who let us down a lot.

00:06:03.000 We are all very used to this.

00:06:05.000 We complain about it on the show all the time.

00:06:08.000 But it is also fundamentally true that, as we've highlighted in America, what's liberal in this country?

00:06:14.000 The universities, a lot of big business, the bureaucracy, your local elementary school, the Boy Scouts of America, everything over and over.

00:06:24.000 What is the strongest institution in America that it is plausible for conservatives to have any influence in?

00:06:32.000 It is the Republican Party because they are the opposition party in the United States.

00:06:36.000 And there are a million things in the United States that cause that to be the case.

00:06:41.000 Just organically, who are you going to vote for if you don't like the guy in charge?

00:06:45.000 Makes the most sense to vote for the most powerful opposition party.

00:06:48.000 And so, and I think it's very easy for conservatives to embrace a like it's psychologically tempting to go doomer and say, there's no hope.

00:06:59.000 They always fail us.

00:07:01.000 They always let us down.

00:07:02.000 It's it's cathartic to say that, to sort of scream, but it's not true.

00:07:08.000 Would you rather live in a red state or a blue state?

00:07:11.000 We can point towards a million different laws that make that the case.

00:07:15.000 If you're in this state, you won't be arrested for having a gun.

00:07:17.000 You won't be arrested if you defend yourself from a criminal.

00:07:20.000 You can, in Arizona right now, for example, you can get money to send your kid to a private school or to homeschool instead of being forced to send them to a crappy public school.

00:07:30.000 There are real wins that you can get at the state level.

00:07:34.000 And this can manifest at the federal level.

00:07:36.000 And Florida's a much freer state than California.

00:07:39.000 Precisely.

00:07:40.000 So I think it would be better to say that don't vote for the Republican Party.

00:07:45.000 Vote for the opposition party.

00:07:47.000 Yeah.

00:07:48.000 And just say, call it the opposition party.

00:07:49.000 And I hope everyone understands we're making huge gains.

00:07:53.000 We used to have like two or three good senators.

00:07:56.000 Now we have like 15.

00:07:58.000 Yeah.

00:07:58.000 Yeah, and if you and the other one, 15 pretty good ones and like 10 excellent ones.

00:08:02.000 If you try to take over the Republican Party and reform it and fail, you can always try again later, and you may at least mitigate what the Democrats want to do.

00:08:11.000 But let's say you try to do your third party and it just, it doesn't quite take, and we end up in an election and the Republicans get 25% and our new third party gets 25%.

00:08:20.000 What happens?

00:08:21.000 Well, the Democrats get, you know, 400 House seats.

00:08:25.000 Yes.

00:08:25.000 And then what do they do with 400 House seats?

00:08:27.000 They do whatever they want.

00:08:28.000 And if you want an example where this has happened, in Alberta, Canada, the most conservative province of Canada, they had...

00:08:35.000 Calgary isn't.

00:08:35.000 Yeah, they had a right-wing insurgency.

00:08:37.000 I think they called it like the Wild Rose Party.

00:08:40.000 And they had an insurgency because they thought their conservative party in the province wasn't conservative enough.

00:08:44.000 So they split the vote and it caused a left-wing government to get elected in Alberta.

00:08:48.000 And what did they do?

00:08:49.000 They passed a bunch of left-wing stuff.

00:08:52.000 And not all of that left-wing stuff has been undone, I believe.

00:08:55.000 They eventually did get government back, but it's the nature of laws.

00:08:58.000 They don't all get changed.

00:09:00.000 And now Alberta is a more liberal province than it was before.

00:09:03.000 That's not good.

00:09:04.000 It's the home of Edmonton and Calgary.

00:09:06.000 Yes.

00:09:06.000 It's huge natural resources there.

00:09:08.000 It's a really, really great.

00:09:09.000 By the way, they're very right-wing people there.

00:09:11.000 A ton.

00:09:12.000 I mean, Tucker filled out a sports stadium.

00:09:14.000 Exactly. 0.91

00:09:14.000 There's tons of conservatives. 0.91

00:09:16.000 But if you decide to intentionally split your coalition into smaller groups when you haven't beaten the big enemy, you dilute your influence.

00:09:24.000 Exactly.

00:09:25.000 So why is it that Republicans, Blake Minute Remaining, are more likely to be upset with their leaders to the point of not voting?

00:09:33.000 We'll talk about this in the next segment, but also third party than the Democrats.

00:09:38.000 I don't want to say specifically that they are more likely because we do see there are insurgencies on the left. 0.68

00:09:43.000 Hillary Clinton probably lost in 2016 because they had a lot of angry people.

00:09:47.000 And so this is a funny thing if you really follow American politics.

00:09:51.000 You see both sides saying the same thing.

00:09:53.000 They'll say like, our side is too obsessed with principle and the enemy.

00:09:56.000 They just, they only care about winning.

00:09:58.000 And they'll say, their side always delivers for them and our side never delivers for us.

00:10:04.000 I don't want to say who it's more true for.

00:10:06.000 I think it is probably true Democrats deliver a bit more consistently.

00:10:10.000 I think that's probably because a lot of Democratic principles are things you can solve by just giving people money.

00:10:15.000 So they say, we're going to run and we're going to expand these programs and everyone gets money.

00:10:18.000 Whereas ours, it's stickier stuff.

00:10:20.000 It's more controversial.

00:10:21.000 We're going to change the rules.

00:10:23.000 It's more abstract.

00:10:23.000 More abstract.

00:10:24.000 It's tougher to get people to like get the cojones to do it.

00:10:29.000 But it is false to say they never deliver anything and you want to have a growth mindset about things.

00:10:35.000 All right.

00:10:36.000 Really quick question from Kimberly.

00:10:37.000 Is Blake single?

00:10:38.000 If so, what type of woman is he looking for to go on and do?

00:10:43.000 It's a real question from Kimberly.

00:10:44.000 I don't know.

00:10:45.000 Just not mentally ill.

00:10:49.000 There you go.

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00:12:07.000 All right, let's get to this dialogue here.

00:12:09.000 I said this to you, Blake.

00:12:10.000 You want to respond to it.

00:12:11.000 Essentially, it's a guy that listens to the Charlie Kirk show.

00:12:13.000 He's a Trump fan, but he says, I'm sitting out 2024.

00:12:17.000 I'm not voting because Republicans are so terrible.

00:12:20.000 And I just want to say, Blake, we do get a fair amount of these emails.

00:12:23.000 We do.

00:12:24.000 And I try to tell Republican leaders this, that there are people that will watch our show, that will donate to us, that will subscribe to us, that will not vote.

00:12:33.000 And then when we lose, they will say only fraud could explain that we can't do that.

00:12:37.000 And I don't want to defend them, but I'm going to explain and then I'll let you, because I do not like this attitude.

00:12:43.000 They think the greatest way they can get people to get to notice them is by not voting.

00:12:51.000 It is by absence they will be noticed, which I think is insane.

00:12:55.000 I think it's also kind of evil.

00:12:57.000 It's insane.

00:12:58.000 I think, and I don't think it's fully pragmatic, truthfully.

00:13:02.000 I think when you think about how politics are, politics is not, it's not just a, I want to achieve this outcome thing for a lot of people.

00:13:12.000 There's a very spiritual element.

00:13:15.000 It's a way you give your life meaning by being engaged with it.

00:13:19.000 And it's like a form of personal expression, actually.

00:13:24.000 And so what I think you get is people who don't vote.

00:13:28.000 A lot of it is if they vote for someone and that person loses, they feel like they've been defeated and it was all a waste.

00:13:37.000 Whereas if they don't vote, it's like they're asserting sovereignty over themselves, that they are indifferent to the outcome.

00:13:44.000 They convince themselves that they don't care this way, when in fact they do care deeply.

00:13:50.000 And I think an important thing is what you do is you have to emphasize that we do politics not to show that we are conservative.

00:13:59.000 We do politics because we are trying to work for outcomes.

00:14:02.000 And we know that we will not always get those outcomes.

00:14:05.000 We may very rarely get those outcomes.

00:14:07.000 We may never get those outcomes.

00:14:09.000 We fight for them because it is the right thing to do, as you say.

00:14:12.000 And you have to pursue the path that is most likely to bring that outcome.

00:14:17.000 And in a system like ours, where the person who gets the most pieces of paper in the box, you have a duty to make sure your piece of paper goes in that box.

00:14:30.000 And, you know, will your vote make a difference?

00:14:34.000 On an average, no.

00:14:36.000 Most elections are not decided by one vote.

00:14:38.000 Well, but in Arizona, Attorney General races are by 280 votes.

00:14:41.000 Yes, exactly.

00:14:42.000 So it's depressing to think that there's probably 300 voters.

00:14:47.000 So we do this event.

00:14:48.000 You've been here before.

00:14:50.000 Freedom Night in America, we have like 2,000 people show up.

00:14:53.000 So if all 2,000 people had that attitude in that one event, then you would not win the Attorney General.

00:14:58.000 Exactly.

00:14:59.000 I mean, just like, let's forget, like, oh, it's because it's easy to get like, oh, millions of votes, things get lost.

00:15:04.000 That's a very isolated example.

00:15:07.000 And so, but what's the downside?

00:15:08.000 Filling out a piece of paper and sending it in?

00:15:11.000 That's what I mean.

00:15:12.000 The downside is essentially that when they vote and it doesn't go well, it's like they take it too personally almost.

00:15:21.000 Like, how dare you make me care about this candidate?

00:15:24.000 And then that candidate lost.

00:15:26.000 And frankly, you got to toughen up.

00:15:29.000 It's like, oh, our guy lost next time.

00:15:32.000 Yeah, one of our listeners says, I encourage you to think about the risk-reward calculation.

00:15:36.000 Voting is asymmetric, meaning the cost of your time to vote equals just a few minutes of your time versus huge potential reward if we win.

00:15:43.000 And it's also just, I think you have a moral obligation to vote regardless.

00:15:47.000 You have a moral obligation.

00:15:49.000 And, you know, people died for this system to come into place.

00:15:54.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:15:55.000 I'm a member and a question for you: members.charliekirk.com.

00:15:58.000 I'm a chief HR manager officer and conservative.

00:16:01.000 No typos.

00:16:02.000 Both are real.

00:16:03.000 And have been a fan of your podcast since 2020.

00:16:06.000 My profession gets a really bad rap, and I'm sad to say it's well-deserved.

00:16:10.000 I've been in this role at three different companies over 15 years and have to address this topic you talk about regularly on your show: wokeism, the decline of meritocracy, COVID, etc.

00:16:18.000 For example, the CEO and others at the company I worked for during COVID were very supportive of vaccine mandates and terminating people if they did not comply.

00:16:26.000 I was able to prevent both, thankfully, praise God.

00:16:29.000 It had to have been divine intervention.

00:16:31.000 At a different company, I eliminated the DEI department upon my arrival so the company could invest in more business-impactful initiatives.

00:16:37.000 I do this very quietly and under the radar.

00:16:39.000 If I was outspoken, I don't think I could do these things.

00:16:42.000 So, the question is: what do you think about the group of silent influencers out there?

00:16:45.000 You touched briefly on this during an episode this week and how those of us that are silent influencers get to know each other so don't feel alone.

00:16:51.000 I'd love to talk to other conservatives in HR that are facing the same things about me and we're challenging.

00:16:55.000 Please do not use my name if you're the designer.

00:16:57.000 Thank you.

00:16:57.000 First of all, whoever you are, male or female, it's written like a female.

00:17:01.000 I mean that positively, you're a hero.

00:17:04.000 You're talking about you listen to the show, you're like getting rid of DEI departments.

00:17:07.000 You do not want your name mentioned.

00:17:08.000 Like, we need more patriots like this.

00:17:11.000 Would love to connect you with more silent influencers.

00:17:13.000 And I just got to be honest, it gives me comfort that all the work we're doing on the show, like there's like this like sleeper cell HR person that's like smashing wokeism wherever it exists.

00:17:23.000 What a hero.

00:17:24.000 That's kind of awesome.

00:17:24.000 That's a national hero.

00:17:25.000 Isn't that awesome?

00:17:26.000 It is great.

00:17:27.000 So, what is your reaction to that, Blake?

00:17:30.000 And also, how, if you're, by the way, we talk a lot about political power, but if you have corporate power, you should use that power for good.

00:17:37.000 And I think there is a type of conservative.

00:17:37.000 You should.

00:17:41.000 I don't want to say you don't go around thuggishly saying, like, everyone in this company must vote for Trump or whatever, because it won't work for one.

00:17:49.000 But what you should look out for is we run into a lot of people who are like, What can I do for the movement?

00:17:55.000 And or like young people who want to do stuff in politics.

00:17:58.000 And it's very common to think, Well, what I could do is start a podcast, or I could write op-eds, or I could do stuff, you know, do like public political stuff.

00:18:07.000 But for a lot of people, the single best thing you can do for the movement is be a successful person, be a pillar of your community, and then importantly, pull up people behind you.

00:18:19.000 So, make sure that they're, you know, this nation has a lot of systematic discrimination against people based on politics, or frankly, based on race.

00:18:27.000 You don't have to cover that with your own, but literally, find talented people who might actually be worth your time and mentor them directly.

00:18:35.000 Cultivate those people, make it so you are undermining all of the sinister stuff that is happening by creating new stuff.

00:18:43.000 And I just say, become a creator.

00:18:46.000 We're made in the image of our creator.

00:18:48.000 So, create a family, create a business, create an initiative, create a community, right?

00:18:54.000 Create something.

00:18:55.000 And it doesn't have to be Google or it doesn't have to be Goldman Sachs.

00:19:00.000 It can be like, yeah, I get 10 neighbors together.

00:19:03.000 We help each other.

00:19:04.000 Instead of donating $100,000 to your alma mater, which they will then use to like spray paint the local intersection to say, like, have a rainbow flag and say Black Lives Matter, donate $100,000 and have it be a scholarship that is 100% merit-based or for someone who has worked a blue-collar job like during high school, something like that.

00:19:26.000 And instead of, you know, whatever else that they give out scholarships for these days, there's things you can do.

00:19:34.000 Be a pillar of your community.

00:19:35.000 Do not be a person who is fuming on the internet.

00:19:38.000 I totally agree.

00:19:39.000 Email us, freedom at charliekirk.com, members.charliekirk.com.

00:19:43.000 And thank you, whoever you are, for being a quiet HR manager for good.

00:19:48.000 Zach says, Hey, Charlie, big fan of the show here.

00:19:51.000 I'm sure to watch your show every day.

00:19:52.000 With all the Hamas protests going on in college campuses, I can't help but ask, what could this be a distraction from?

00:19:58.000 If indeed it is a distraction, which we're all accustomed to this point, thanks and God bless.

00:20:02.000 I don't know if it's a distraction, right?

00:20:05.000 This is a thing you'll hear a lot from conservatives that this could be a distraction from.

00:20:10.000 Sometimes it's true.

00:20:11.000 I just don't think it is.

00:20:12.000 Okay, you have to admit, sometimes if Joe Biden were to sign a very controversial executive order and he might be having a family crisis, sometimes there is something done by maybe like Bill Clinton supposedly bombed Iraq to distract from maybe it didn't work.

00:20:33.000 So I think honestly, I dislike it because it's a pattern on the right to sort of like prove I'm so smart.

00:20:43.000 I see through the enemy's lies on the media.

00:20:46.000 So I see that this is a distraction.

00:20:48.000 And like the real distraction is you from, it is distracting you from living your life and not being obsessed with things.

00:20:55.000 What I think they might mean, though, is not that there's some sort of grand maestro, is that the media might be covering this more than another story that might be bigger.

00:21:03.000 So that's a legit point.

00:21:03.000 For sure.

00:21:05.000 Okay, then if you want to know what they're distracting from, the border is still wide open.

00:21:08.000 There you go, Blake.

00:21:09.000 It's not.

00:21:10.000 Now we're agreeing.

00:21:10.000 You know, it was covered a lot in December and January, and then they stopped.

00:21:14.000 The border did not fix itself.

00:21:16.000 It's still a disaster.

00:21:17.000 They're still sending the migrants everywhere. 1.00

00:21:20.000 Biden is still really old.

00:21:22.000 He's still, he's not getting any younger.

00:21:25.000 But you would agree that the media will select certain stories to distract from other stories.

00:21:29.000 So, for example, they're not spending.

00:21:31.000 I think they just get bored with things.

00:21:33.000 The media wants to cover new stuff.

00:21:34.000 Cult of the new.

00:21:35.000 So, Blake, what do you think is like the biggest story in the world right now? 1.00

00:21:39.000 Probably the stupid protests on campus. 1.00

00:21:41.000 Okay. 1.00

00:21:42.000 Well, not Venice.

00:21:46.000 Venice?

00:21:47.000 Really?

00:21:48.000 They've got a photo of Venice on the airport?

00:21:50.000 That'll be five Euros, please.

00:21:50.000 Welcome to Venice.

00:21:52.000 I mean, that's an example of like, looky here.

00:21:55.000 Yeah, okay.

00:21:56.000 And then they got, and then they got the Trump collusion, or not, Trump immunity.

00:22:00.000 I agree with you generally on it.

00:22:01.000 I'm just saying that at times they'll throw smokescreen grenades.

00:22:03.000 Yeah, the Times sometimes will announce that they're like the biggest thing with media bias is actually it's not by omission.

00:22:10.000 They don't, yeah, it's by omission or by narrative setting or by framing.

00:22:14.000 And as I've said before, the New York Times, almost everything they report is literally true in some way.

00:22:21.000 It is not that they print fabricated stuff.

00:22:24.000 It's their power of what they choose to emphasize.

00:22:28.000 So it was like after Russia Gate was a bust, one of the top editors at the New York Times, I can't remember if it was the editor-in-chief or who it was, but he literally did a statement to all the reporters where he says, yeah, well, since Russia Gate was a bust, we're going to have our focus now be on racism in America.

00:22:46.000 And he says this in 2019.

00:22:48.000 And then it's right?

00:22:49.000 Well, it was already spiking, but it keeps spiking up through, of course, George Floyd and we have our national reckoning, as they called it.

00:22:56.000 Race reckoning.

00:22:57.000 Racial reckoning.

00:22:58.000 And they wrecked a lot of things, that's for sure.

00:23:00.000 And you can say, was that a distraction?

00:23:04.000 No, that was the New York Times has enough power, it can force a narrative.

00:23:08.000 And the George Floyd riots were definitely not a distraction.

00:23:11.000 That was a very big story that was ginned up by the media because of what they choose to report on.

00:23:16.000 They say, oh, they're murdering all of these innocent people.

00:23:20.000 The police are out of control.

00:23:21.000 There's thousands, you know, they create what people choose to care about.

00:23:26.000 It's like a poll, a poll 15 years ago, most black Americans did not really say that the police were racist against them.

00:23:33.000 And then 15 years later, they say they are when every objective evidence is that they were being shot less.

00:23:38.000 They were being arrested less than they had been 15 years before.

00:23:42.000 Yeah, you're talking about frequency of which they mention all this nonsense and it just goes up like, you know, exponentially, right?

00:23:51.000 Especially in during the quote-unquote racial reckoning.

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00:25:01.000 Okay, let's get to another question here.

00:25:04.000 Um, what Charlie, a member Kelly, what are your thoughts on all the college campus protesters wearing face coverings or some sort of masks?

00:25:10.000 If you were so proud to defend Hamas, why not show your face? 1.00

00:25:13.000 COVID set the stage enabled the rise in crime overall as criminals wearing a mask and have no fear of being identified.

00:25:17.000 I think that's actually really smart.

00:25:19.000 Back in my day, if you walked anywhere wearing a mask, guns would be drawn on you.

00:25:22.000 The immediate response was defensive because it became clear to rob and destroy.

00:25:26.000 Because the COVID masks are allowed and encouraged.

00:25:28.000 The enemy is brazen now.

00:25:29.000 I personally was convicted immediately when mask mandates came out and it was indeed evil and the work of the enemy.

00:25:34.000 Also, clearly, these are extreme protesting movements organized.

00:25:38.000 Anyone working to trace back the money, I think many of these young people are getting paid.

00:25:41.000 So I actually do agree that the mask mandate, I'm not saying it was intentional, but an unintentional byproduct is that it's given criminals an ability to be anonymous.

00:25:51.000 So you agree with that.

00:25:51.000 100%.

00:25:52.000 100% it enabled crime because you just have masked guys go in stores and you just looting them.

00:25:58.000 Yeah, they still do it.

00:26:00.000 But now it's like socially acceptable to walk around with a mask.

00:26:02.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:03.000 And I think if you're wearing like a, you know, a balaclava, like you know, the ski mask thing, people are still shady, suspicious about it.

00:26:11.000 Wearing masks thing, it's interesting to me because I think we'd agree it's important to be able to be anonymous on the internet.

00:26:17.000 Absolutely.

00:26:18.000 And frankly, it's probably important to be able to cover your face.

00:26:22.000 I can imagine a lot of valid reasons someone on the right would want to do that because you've freaking face-tracking software.

00:26:30.000 You know, they can, oh, yeah, we found out who this guy is.

00:26:30.000 Which is true.

00:26:33.000 We sent it to his employer.

00:26:34.000 All these things.

00:26:35.000 I think the ability to speak and protest anonymously is an important right in America.

00:26:40.000 I think we need to be consistent because, I mean, the Federalist papers are written anonymously.

00:26:44.000 Yeah.

00:26:44.000 I do think that there's a I think it's a little cowardly to go out into the streets and do it.

00:26:51.000 You know what they should, what they do is by instinct.

00:26:53.000 What they do is, if they use it and then go violent, okay, send in cops, hold them on the ground, take the mask off, identify them, charge them.

00:27:00.000 We totally agree.

00:27:01.000 Yes, but I think what Blake is saying is true is that anonymous speech is protected American speech.

00:27:06.000 The Federalist papers are written anonymously for a reason.

00:27:08.000 I keep on going back to that.

00:27:09.000 And Soros is funding some of these protests.

00:27:12.000 Well, Soros has given money to these groups that are then organizing protests.

00:27:12.000 Oh, for sure.

00:27:17.000 I dislike paid protests because it implies this is not a real cause, and it very much is. 0.85

00:27:22.000 Well, I want to die.

00:27:23.000 It is a real cause, but I think that there's more of a synthetic nature than I think people realize: that there are outside agitators that go into these things with the signs and the tents, and they organize the 99%.

00:27:36.000 So a bunch of petulant children are building tent encampments on college campuses with copycat protests spreading around the country.

00:27:45.000 Total organic?

00:27:46.000 Well, no.

00:27:46.000 Soros back SJP organized protests at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Ohio State, Emory, and Georgia, and they're popping up across the country.

00:27:54.000 So, Blake, it's a real cause, but there's certainly, let's say, lieutenants that come and organize this thing.

00:28:02.000 Oh, yeah, there's a long left-wing tradition of that.

00:28:04.000 I mean, I was actually just reading a book written in 1870, and it's about a guy who shows up in a town in Russia to set up revolutionary cells, says, Hey, I'm here to organize the revolution.

00:28:16.000 Who wants to join my terrorists?

00:28:18.000 1870.

00:28:18.000 What year was this?

00:28:22.000 Awkward communism?

00:28:23.000 Anarchism at the time, nihilism.

00:28:26.000 But it was the forerunners of Russian communism.

00:28:28.000 Awfully unsuccessful.

00:28:29.000 1870s.

00:28:30.000 That is the cell-based organization of agitation.

00:28:34.000 That is popular on the left.

00:28:36.000 The left has a long tradition of, I am the professional revolutionary who's here to tell you how to do things.

00:28:43.000 They publish guides on how to do this.

00:28:45.000 That's what Rules for Radicals is. 0.81

00:28:47.000 Yes.

00:28:48.000 And so to say that, it doesn't necessarily mean it's astroturfed.

00:28:53.000 It really is, I have some expertise, or let's copy what these guys are doing.

00:28:58.000 It's very distributed.

00:29:00.000 It can be a little bottom-up.

00:29:01.000 Like, oh, these guys in this school came up with this way of doing it, and then everyone starts copying them.

00:29:06.000 Like in 2015, I can't remember what school.

00:29:09.000 I think it started at University of Missouri.

00:29:11.000 They started having those protests.

00:29:13.000 Hands up, don't shoot. 0.99

00:29:13.000 Yeah, and it was because of something dumb. 0.99

00:29:15.000 The university president had an awkward moment on camera, and they said they demanded he resign. 0.98

00:29:20.000 It was insane.

00:29:21.000 And then they start publishing demand lists.

00:29:23.000 And then soon 100 different campuses had demand lists that were related to like racism on their campus, allegedly.

00:29:31.000 And I think you're seeing this again now.

00:29:33.000 Cornell just had a list of demands.

00:29:34.000 I think they're all publishing these demand lists, and they're often very similar to each other.

00:29:38.000 So that's just, it's the way the left works is you'll have your national body.

00:29:43.000 It will have all their little distributed groups.

00:29:46.000 They'll bring in outside people who are really, really good at protesting all of the time.

00:29:51.000 And they have that whole dynamic that I think maybe has James Lindsay talked about this, where they'll talk, you know, oh, peaceful protests, peaceful protests, knowing that some of the people aren't peaceful and there's like selected agitators who go further.

00:30:04.000 Yes.

00:30:05.000 At either Columbia or some other school, they literally started giving people wristbands where take the wristband that's red if you want to be arrested.

00:30:13.000 You don't want to be arrested.

00:30:14.000 And yellow if you don't want to be.

00:30:15.000 You have hierarchies of people.

00:30:16.000 These are the ones who are the biggest radicals.

00:30:18.000 These are the ones who are not.

00:30:19.000 It's just a whole ecosystem that we don't fully understand.

00:30:22.000 It's a professional protesting industry.

00:30:25.000 Yeah.

00:30:25.000 With tactics and planning and a lot of funding, too.

00:30:30.000 And well, but the funding is not the most important thing.

00:30:30.000 Yeah.

00:30:33.000 Like, yes, a Soros group, like, because the way it'll go is a Soros group gives money to this group and then this group does stuff.

00:30:40.000 But the amount of money is not enough to pay for what they're doing.

00:30:44.000 And nor is this stuff actually that expensive to do in the first place.

00:30:49.000 You can buy a tent for $25 at Walmart.

00:30:49.000 It's a tent.

00:30:52.000 Yes.

00:30:53.000 But there is a...

00:30:55.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:30:56.000 If it wasn't for the sophisticated approach, do you think that this would spread the way it has?

00:31:02.000 Truthfully, I think it would.

00:31:05.000 I think there's a strong, it's always a strong impulse on both sides of politics to believe that the other side is sort of faking it, that they are bought off or that they're only doing this for some strokes.

00:31:16.000 They're just turfed or whatever.

00:31:17.000 For like some greed-based reason.

00:31:19.000 When the truth is, most people who care enough to be involved in politics care about politics.

00:31:25.000 And so, you know, the Israel-Palestine issue, as an example, has been around for decades.

00:31:31.000 It has been a big cause on the left for decades.

00:31:35.000 And because of an unpredictable event last fall, it has become a huge issue this year.

00:31:40.000 And I think that is largely organic.

00:31:43.000 And I think you can make it a bigger deal, like when you have press outlets that are pushing it and saying this is a big deal over and over again and they influence people.

00:31:52.000 But I don't think it's a big deal because someone paid money to make it a big deal, like in some sort of short sight, like in some sort of just, you know, very short order thing of, oh, I pay $20,000 and now Palestine's a big issue on this campus.

00:32:08.000 All right, everybody, email us freedom at charliekirk.com and become a member, members.charliekirk.com.

00:32:14.000 Let's go to this one here.

00:32:16.000 Karen says, Hi, Charlie.

00:32:18.000 I listen to pretty much all of your podcasts on the phone.

00:32:20.000 I've heard many times you say that you are going to primary someone if they don't vote the way of a true conservative.

00:32:25.000 I don't remember the names, maybe I'm not familiar with them in other states.

00:32:28.000 I'm in California.

00:32:29.000 My question is: how many and who of those states that have been primarily actually lost?

00:32:33.000 Curious about your success rates.

00:32:34.000 I know you're very influential.

00:32:35.000 Keep broadcasting.

00:32:35.000 I'll keep listening.

00:32:36.000 We haven't engaged in that many primaries.

00:32:38.000 We did help get rid of Liz Cheney, but we weren't primarily involved in that.

00:32:42.000 What I was talking about, though, is the senators.

00:32:44.000 And to be honest, we're not as successful as we want to be because it's really hard to beat incumbents.

00:32:48.000 It's really hard.

00:32:49.000 Now, the primaries that we're most interested in is red states.

00:32:54.000 If you are in a very deep red state and you are voting as if you are a Massachusetts liberal, then that disconnect must be addressed and must be exploited.

00:33:05.000 We're very successful with JD Vance, by the way.

00:33:07.000 We were like one of the first endorsements of JD Vance.

00:33:09.000 I went out there.

00:33:09.000 I campaigned for him.

00:33:10.000 And now everyone loves JD Vance.

00:33:12.000 JD Vance is super well-supported.

00:33:13.000 States where a Republican is the 90-plus percent favorite to win should elect very conservative Republicans where you are wasting your time because we'll get plenty of moderates, hopefully, running in states that are purple.

00:33:25.000 Like Maryland.

00:33:25.000 Yeah, like Maryland.

00:33:26.000 Which is blue, not just blue.

00:33:28.000 We're getting emails where people say they don't want to support Larry Hogan for Senate because he's not MAGA.

00:33:33.000 He's not a Trump supporter.

00:33:34.000 Which he isn't.

00:33:35.000 But we will be blunt.

00:33:35.000 Which he's not.

00:33:37.000 The chances of electing a MAGA conservative in Maryland is not low.

00:33:44.000 It is zero.

00:33:46.000 It just is not happening.

00:33:47.000 And this is a somewhat new thing.

00:33:48.000 So if you're older and you've been around, it's a little different.

00:33:51.000 You could elect a random Republican in Illinois even in 2010.

00:33:55.000 Yeah.

00:33:56.000 Will never happen.

00:33:56.000 Mark Kirk won the U.S. Senate race in 2010 against Dan Seals.

00:34:00.000 Yeah, and it was great.

00:34:01.000 You know, he was one of the most liberal Republicans?

00:34:04.000 Yes.

00:34:05.000 Did he still vote?

00:34:06.000 I worked on that race.

00:34:07.000 Did he vote in our direction on things that we care about?

00:34:10.000 Yes.

00:34:11.000 Yes, he did.

00:34:12.000 Did he hold up things that Democrats would have done otherwise?

00:34:14.000 Yes.

00:34:15.000 Yes, he did.

00:34:15.000 And will Hogan do that?

00:34:17.000 I think so.

00:34:17.000 Will Hogan vote to confirm judicial nominees by Donald Trump?

00:34:22.000 I bet he probably will.

00:34:23.000 Will Hogan vote to confirm cabinet appointees of Donald Trump?

00:34:27.000 I bet he probably will.

00:34:28.000 Will he vote in favor of some things we want to do?

00:34:31.000 Yes.

00:34:32.000 Yes.

00:34:32.000 And you know who won't?

00:34:33.000 The Democrat.

00:34:34.000 They're going to elect otherwise.

00:34:36.000 No, that's right.

00:34:36.000 And so the question is: do we want political power or not?

00:34:40.000 Yeah.

00:34:40.000 And why do we want political power?

00:34:43.000 It is not as like, it is not merely as an expression of our principles where like only someone who's 100% with us is worth electing.

00:34:51.000 You have to have an achievement mindset.

00:34:54.000 We are doing this because we want to do something.

00:34:57.000 We want to actually pass laws.

00:34:58.000 We want to make America better.

00:35:00.000 And the halfway ally of me is better than a full-time enemy.

00:35:07.000 Politics is actually a thing where it is sometimes okay to be lukewarm if the alternative is a full-time enemy.

00:35:13.000 You shouldn't be lukewarm yourself.

00:35:14.000 You shouldn't be weak yourself.

00:35:16.000 But there's a whole spectrum of people.

00:35:19.000 Politics is a spectrum.

00:35:22.000 Unlike sex.

00:35:23.000 Yes, exactly.

00:35:24.000 Politics is a spectrum.

00:35:25.000 And the people who are closer to you on the spectrum are better than the people who are farther away.

00:35:28.000 And that's especially the case in a place like Maryland.

00:35:31.000 But on the flip side, to emphasize, in a state like Utah, in a state like Idaho, in a state like Nebraska, we should be getting maximally conservative stuff because that's where we can get it.

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00:36:48.000 This is a great question for you, Blake.

00:36:50.000 Charlie or team, again, it's a member from Charles.

00:36:53.000 People today are condemning Christianity.

00:36:55.000 I'm wondering why no one speaks out about condemning Islam. 0.97

00:36:58.000 There's a series of verses here from the Surah, O true believers, when you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads. 0.99

00:37:04.000 Surah 20, 2, 191.

00:37:06.000 If I'm taking these out of context, let me know. 0.99

00:37:08.000 Slay the pagans wherever you find them. 0.96

00:37:10.000 This is from, is the Surah the Quran?

00:37:13.000 Is that a separate text?

00:37:14.000 Surah, I think, is a separate.

00:37:16.000 Let me see.

00:37:17.000 Is that like the Talmud?

00:37:18.000 I'm trying to remember my vocal.

00:37:19.000 No, it's a chapter of the Quran.

00:37:20.000 No, it is.

00:37:21.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:37:22.000 So I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. 1.00

00:37:26.000 Smite ye above their neck and smite all fingertips off them. 1.00

00:37:29.000 It is not ye who slew them. 0.99

00:37:30.000 This is part of the question.

00:37:31.000 Literally, he wrote these.

00:37:32.000 Finally, fight those who do not believe in God in the last day and fight people of the book, Christian and Jews, who do not accept the religion of truth, Islam, until they pay tribute by hand, being inferior. 0.98

00:37:41.000 Blake, is this taking Islam out of context?

00:37:45.000 Why are people afraid of talking about Shia supremacism?

00:37:49.000 Sharia supremacism. 0.94

00:37:50.000 Why are they afraid?

00:37:51.000 Well, one, I guess, you know, a new thing came on TV, so to speak.

00:37:55.000 Like, we had the war on terror for a lot of, for a long time, and then you did see it.

00:37:59.000 But now, I mean, when was the last terrorist attack in the U.S.?

00:38:04.000 I mean, probably like San Bernardino.

00:38:06.000 Yeah, it's, you know, it's sort of like, you know, ISIS actually was defeated.

00:38:10.000 We got out of Iraq.

00:38:11.000 We got out of Afghanistan.

00:38:14.000 Everything focused towards this emphasis on racism as the all-consuming obsession of American life.

00:38:20.000 And besides, beyond that, no, it's a safe target.

00:38:23.000 It's safe to beat up on Christianity. 1.00

00:38:25.000 It is like, you know, Islam is an oppressed group because they're poor and they're unsuccessful. 1.00

00:38:30.000 You know, because Islam is crappy. 1.00

00:38:33.000 Why is that the case? 1.00

00:38:34.000 Oh, you want to get into that?

00:38:35.000 Be factual.

00:38:37.000 Don't get into the higher thresholds of.

00:38:40.000 What I will say is, in ancient times, where was the Bible written?

00:38:45.000 Where was it?

00:38:46.000 Where does it take place?

00:38:47.000 It's in the Middle East. 0.85

00:38:48.000 It takes place in the Middle East.

00:38:50.000 Why does it take place in the Middle East?

00:38:52.000 Because the Middle East was actually the summit of civilization 3,000 years ago.

00:38:56.000 Egypt, big, important country, big, rich country.

00:38:59.000 Modern-day Iraq is where civilization started.

00:39:02.000 Sumer and Ur and Babylon.

00:39:04.000 Even more specifically, the Tigris and the Euphrates are in the Garden of Eden story.

00:39:08.000 Yes, that is where civilization emerges.

00:39:10.000 The first great empire is Iran. 0.82

00:39:12.000 Iran is this enormously important civilizational power.

00:39:17.000 Okay, before we get into this, I just want to say there's plenty of amazing Muslims that I know, Dr. Zudi Jafser being one of them.

00:39:25.000 However, Blake has a take that the ideology itself has a lot of problems that go unaddressed.

00:39:31.000 Well, so I want to start with, first, it's interesting that you say, and others say Islam needs a reformation, which I know you're Protestant, of course, so pro-Reformation.

00:39:40.000 I'm very pro-Reformation. 0.55

00:39:42.000 There's a misunderstanding.

00:39:43.000 Like, do you think the Reformation was about making Christianity chill out and be moderate?

00:39:48.000 No, no.

00:39:49.000 It wasn't.

00:39:50.000 It was back to the roots.

00:39:51.000 It was a fundamentalist movement.

00:39:53.000 It was a claim.

00:39:53.000 The claim of the Protestant Reformation was all this stuff Catholicism did is a fake edifice that they built on top of real Christianity.

00:40:01.000 Let's go back to how the apostles did it.

00:40:04.000 Islam had that reformation.

00:40:06.000 It's called al-Qaeda.

00:40:08.000 It's called Salafism. 0.99

00:40:09.000 Salafism is a fundamentalist Islamic movement that says we need to go back to the roots of Islam as it's practiced, as it was practiced by the prophet and his companions.

00:40:19.000 Now, here's an important thing.

00:40:22.000 What does Jesus do in the Bible?

00:40:24.000 A lot.

00:40:25.000 Yeah, but so what does he not do?

00:40:27.000 Does he become a warlord?

00:40:29.000 Does he guide out against the Romans?

00:40:31.000 Does he sack villages? 1.00

00:40:32.000 Does he take women as what his right hand possesses and make them his slaves that he can have sex with? 0.99

00:40:38.000 No, Jesus doesn't do those things. 0.95

00:40:40.000 But you know who does do it?

00:40:41.000 The prophet.

00:40:43.000 And this is the root of a lot of what makes Islam different. 1.00

00:40:48.000 It actually, as its genesis, it is a religion of a warrior desert tribe.

00:40:56.000 Bedouins.

00:40:57.000 Bedouins, yeah.

00:40:58.000 It's a warrior desert tribe.

00:41:00.000 Maybe Islam made them better over the paganism that they practiced before, but I'd argue it basically made every other civilization it touched worse. 1.00

00:41:08.000 Iran, massive civilization, hugely important, immensely rich literary culture, scientific culture.

00:41:15.000 They were an equal of the Roman Empire.

00:41:18.000 And then they got conquered by Islam. 0.99

00:41:21.000 And they stick around for a while because they were a great civilization and they have a lot of inertia from that.

00:41:27.000 But the most flowering parts of Persian civilization were the parts that were Zoroastrian, Jewish, Persian.

00:41:34.000 You'd have all these cases where a guy is like an important scientist and you go back and, oh, actually, his father converted to Islam, you know, one generation before.

00:41:41.000 Stuff like that.

00:41:43.000 Egypt, hugely important civilization.

00:41:45.000 There are a thousand important Christian writers who were in Alexandria.

00:41:49.000 St. Augustine of Hippo.

00:41:50.000 He was in Tunisia, but similar place.

00:41:53.000 It was a North African place.

00:41:56.000 And Egypt, tons of important writers, tons of important philosophers, Platonic philosophy.

00:42:01.000 When has Egypt mattered ever since? 0.99

00:42:03.000 It has been a plaything that gets tossed back and forth between different conquerors.

00:42:07.000 It's an incredibly poor country, too.

00:42:09.000 Yes.

00:42:10.000 And it's just a much more troubled country.

00:42:13.000 And the best facets of Egypt are the Christian communities in Egypt.

00:42:17.000 And the best facets in Palestine are the Christian communities in Palestine, in Lebanon.

00:42:22.000 You can measure this.

00:42:23.000 It's actually really important.

00:42:24.000 I want to ask the question, is there something inherent in the ideology that causes this?

00:42:29.000 What I think by reformation, some people mean is that it will westernize.

00:42:36.000 I agree it would be better if it westernized.

00:42:38.000 In the sense that it does not have to be interlinked with government power.

00:42:44.000 So this is an important difference.

00:42:46.000 So Christianity has always, if you go to the Bible, the intersection between New Testament Christianity and the government is very thin.

00:42:56.000 And you have to sort of figure out what he means.

00:42:59.000 You know, he says the render unto Caesar thing, but there's no rules.

00:43:03.000 Like what should a Christian polity look like? 1.00

00:43:05.000 How should Christian politics be organized?

00:43:07.000 We try to reach conclusions about that based on the Old Testament and what early Christians did, but it's not obvious.

00:43:12.000 It's not intertwined.

00:43:13.000 Islam is not like that. 0.99

00:43:15.000 Islam says extremely explicitly, how should a Muslim society work?

00:43:20.000 It should have these rules.

00:43:22.000 It is political from the very beginning.

00:43:24.000 When they start it, they have the ummah, the community of believers, and they are led by Muhammad. 0.61

00:43:28.000 He dies, they are then led by Abu Bakr, I believe, his father-in-law, and then he dies, and then they have Umar, the next caliph. 0.78

00:43:35.000 So, they have these early caliphs.

00:43:37.000 And all of their examples of how you're supposed to live in an Islamic society are premised on what did these guys do. 0.89

00:43:45.000 So, the Quran is kind of written in a weird way.

00:43:48.000 It's like this flowery Arab poetry.

00:43:50.000 It was supposedly revealed to Muhammad, like by the angel Gabriel.

00:43:54.000 We obviously don't believe that was the case.

00:43:56.000 There's funny parts of it, like for example, where Muhammad speaking, saying, You know, this is what Gabriel told me to tell you.

00:44:03.000 And he says, The angel wants you to know that Muhammad's wives are being kind of annoying and are nagging him too much, but Muhammad is too good a person to tell them this. 0.94

00:44:12.000 But the angel wanted Muhammad to tell you this, and that if you aren't better, he can get rid of you and replace you with better wives. 0.98

00:44:18.000 That is the thing that happens.

00:44:20.000 So, what they have to do is it's not as long as the Bible, and it's not as clear on certain things.

00:44:25.000 So, what you're supposed to do as a Muslim is heavily based on the hadiths.

00:44:29.000 Are you familiar with these?

00:44:30.000 Is that the commentary?

00:44:32.000 It's not even commentary.

00:44:33.000 I think it means sayings in Arabic, and it's a or deed, something like that.

00:44:37.000 What it is, is it's a collection, it's massive, and there's several different volumes of it.

00:44:41.000 It's like the Talmud, they're a collection, not even that, because the Talmud is rabbis arguing about stuff.

00:44:46.000 So, it'll be Rabbi Hezekiah said this, and then Rabbi Solomon said this.

00:44:50.000 What the hadiths are is it'll say Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, that's the nine-year-old that he married.

00:44:57.000 Muhammad married a girl. 0.91

00:44:59.000 Yes, he married a nine-year-old, and you cannot criticize him because Muhammad is above criticism, and it says in the hadiths that anyone who criticizes Muhammad should be killed.

00:45:06.000 And so, what the hadiths are is they're testimony from early Muslims and then supposedly passed down.

00:45:14.000 So, it'll be Aisha told Omar this, who told Abu Bakr this. 0.85

00:45:18.000 It's an oral tradition that was then written down about 100, 150 years later.

00:45:23.000 And they'll just be accounts of what the Prophet did.

00:45:25.000 And some of them will just be absolutely surreal.

00:45:29.000 Like, I actually, because I'm a crazy person, I have bookmarks of funny stuff.

00:45:35.000 Apologies in advance for this one.

00:45:37.000 This is from the Bukhari hadiths, which are the most canonical one.

00:45:43.000 And it says, Hudaifah added, Allah's messenger, Muhammad, would go to the dumps of some people and urinate while standing. 0.92

00:45:53.000 So, it's okay to urinate while standing because the Prophet did that. 0.96

00:45:56.000 They have testimony about this.

00:45:59.000 They would say, like, I think there's a hadith where he says, If there's, if people are gathered for a dinner, they should sit in a circle.

00:46:08.000 And they're like, Okay, well, the Prophet said to do that.

00:46:11.000 And some of it's more serious.

00:46:12.000 Some of it will be like the reason they have the death penalty for adultery in Islam is they have hadiths where someone commits adultery and the prophet orders them to be stoned.

00:46:21.000 And this is what you're supposed to look to as your guide for how to do things.

00:46:26.000 So, in closing, it is an ideology that is incompatible with a lot of Western values.

00:46:31.000 I think so.

00:46:32.000 And it would be good if it Westernized, but I think you have to recognize there are obstacles to this.

00:46:37.000 That early Muslims are warlords who spread the religion by conquest in Islam in early Islam. 1.00

00:46:44.000 It is unambiguously clear that it is good to fight for Islam, to wage war for Allah. 1.00

00:46:53.000 And the people who point this out are being, by most standards, good Muslims.

00:46:58.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:46:59.000 Everybody, email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:47:02.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 29, 2024

Ask Charlie Anything 186: Secret Conservatives? Time for a Third Party? What's the Matter with Islam?

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