The Charlie Kirk Show - May 13, 2024


Ask Charlie Anything 188: The End of the Boy Scouts? Non-Compete Clauses? The Kashmir Question?


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On this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show: Noncompetes! What do we think about them? The death of the Boy Scouts, and more! Join us for an Ask Me Anything episode!

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00:00:04.000 The death of the Boy Scouts and more.
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00:03:17.000 This is from Kimberly.
00:03:19.000 Charlie, I cannot call in today because I had to work.
00:03:21.000 I work for a very wealth corporation.
00:03:22.000 I'm not going to say what corporation it is.
00:03:24.000 They have disguised DEI as IDEA.
00:03:28.000 Have you heard this yet?
00:03:29.000 It's now inclusion, diversity, equity, acceptance.
00:03:32.000 Ooh, they're always changing.
00:03:33.000 We should do a tweet about that. 0.80
00:03:35.000 There's one company rebranded it as like IED, like the freaking bombs that interact. 0.93
00:03:42.000 Yeah, IED. 0.95
00:03:43.000 Incendiary explosive devices.
00:03:45.000 Improvised.
00:03:46.000 Improvised explosive.
00:03:48.000 So Idea.
00:03:50.000 We should do a tweet about how they're rebranding the Venom.
00:03:54.000 My question is, what are your thoughts and riffs on President Trump's recent comments and his address on anti-Semitism? 0.87
00:04:01.000 To me, he's just the same or worse, calling for all anti-Semitic people's death.
00:04:06.000 It makes me teary and angry and in disbelief, and I now struggle to fully support him.
00:04:10.000 Fully against First Amendment rights.
00:04:12.000 I've let two or three things go, knowing he's the only one that can realistically turn things around, so on and so forth.
00:04:18.000 Really, when you have time to listen to this whole podcast, these things grieve me, so on and so forth.
00:04:22.000 Okay.
00:04:23.000 I might not have caught that.
00:04:24.000 Did you?
00:04:25.000 I feel like I've been looking for it since we saw this question.
00:04:29.000 The problem is Google is useless now.
00:04:31.000 And if you search like Trump anti-Semitic speech, you just get Biden's speech because Google only shows you recent news stories.
00:04:37.000 So I am still looking for this, but I don't feel like I've heard Trump say that, but I must say it's in like the zone of potential things that I could imagine Trump saying. 0.84
00:04:47.000 He just said like, these anti-Semites, they're bad people. 0.90
00:04:52.000 They got to go. 0.99
00:04:53.000 He could say something.
00:04:54.000 Yeah, I mean, but I just, the anti-Semitic bill, I don't think he embraced or endorsed in particular.
00:04:59.000 I don't think so.
00:05:00.000 Yeah.
00:05:02.000 It's definitely Congress that's going really wacky here.
00:05:04.000 We haven't even talked about it, but there was some bill, I think, in the Senate.
00:05:07.000 I think maybe Marcia Blackburn put it in, but I can't remember who exactly.
00:05:11.000 But they said, like, anyone who protests Israel too aggressively on campus, they will be exiled to Gaza.
00:05:19.000 Which, while funny, is that's a little cringe.
00:05:22.000 Yeah, kind of loopy.
00:05:23.000 I agree.
00:05:25.000 I mean, I agree.
00:05:26.000 I think we're both concerned.
00:05:27.000 Like, we've taken a pretty consistent line, and I think a lot of the Trump supporting right has taken a consistent line of you can protest, you can say what you want on campus.
00:05:38.000 You know, if the rules let you, you can even set up an encampment.
00:05:41.000 But once that you're breaking the rules or trespassing or attacking people or intimidating, you know, doing real violence, yeah, you're breaking the law, and we're going to shut it down.
00:05:51.000 And we should be in favor of maximum speech and minimal crime.
00:05:56.000 And the left is always, they're the ones who invert this.
00:05:58.000 They're the ones who say that when we riot, it's speech, but when you speech, it's violence, and you're not allowed to do that because it intimidated people.
00:06:06.000 And the way to stand against that is to actually be very robust.
00:06:09.000 Pro-speech, anti-violence.
00:06:11.000 And they're the ones who love violence.
00:06:12.000 So put them in very morally clear in that way. 0.99
00:06:14.000 And the bill is a trash bill. 0.93
00:06:16.000 Let's just be honest. 1.00
00:06:17.000 It's a terrible bill.
00:06:18.000 Okay, let's go to two of our good supporter friends, Caleb and Michelle.
00:06:22.000 They are here to ask us the question live on air.
00:06:25.000 Caleb and Michelle, what is on your mind?
00:06:27.000 On your mind.
00:06:29.000 Good to see you.
00:06:29.000 I had this weird dream last night that you and Erica came over to our house for supper, and it was weird because Erica didn't say anything, and about every six to 12 minutes, you got up and left the room.
00:06:41.000 Oh, wow.
00:06:41.000 Well, me getting up a lot to make phone calls would be probably accurate, right?
00:06:48.000 So I don't sit still well, but that's funny.
00:06:51.000 So what's on your mind, guys?
00:06:52.000 With the Boy Scouts of America continuing their decline and transition into inclusivity, and I know you're an Eagle Scout.
00:07:01.000 What's your take on the Christian scouting group Trail Life and their focus on fathers raising boys to be men of character?
00:07:07.000 I love Trail Life, and so I want to make sure I plug them.
00:07:10.000 This is a competitor to the Boy Scouts.
00:07:13.000 But we did not actually cover the Boy Scout issue here on the program.
00:07:17.000 So I want to dive into that.
00:07:18.000 So glad you brought this up, Caleb.
00:07:20.000 So really a big fan of Trail Life and want to talk about them more in the future as well.
00:07:25.000 So let's talk about what happened with Boy Scouts.
00:07:26.000 So yes, by background, I'm an Eagle Scout.
00:07:31.000 Oh, you are an Eagle Scout?
00:07:32.000 Yeah, I thought that was one thing I had over you.
00:07:33.000 No, no, sorry.
00:07:34.000 What was your Eagle Scout project?
00:07:36.000 I planted a hosta garden at like a Lutheran school.
00:07:40.000 So that's like a legitimate because you know some of these are like super fake now, right?
00:07:43.000 Yeah.
00:07:44.000 Like I cleaned up a park in an afternoon.
00:07:46.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:07:47.000 I think mine took two days.
00:07:48.000 It should be something that you know it's not just the time.
00:07:51.000 It's like something where you really build or you nerd.
00:07:53.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:07:53.000 Like now, it is a permanent change.
00:07:55.000 Yes, no, that's exactly right.
00:07:56.000 It's not just like, you know, it could be undone, right, by a bunch of litterers.
00:08:01.000 So, so you're an Eagle Scout, so this is a perfect discussion.
00:08:05.000 Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.
00:08:11.000 That's our Boy Scout.
00:08:13.000 Was that the oath or the motto?
00:08:15.000 That is the Scout Law.
00:08:16.000 That's the Scout Law.
00:08:17.000 Got it.
00:08:17.000 Help other people at all times to get myself physically strong, strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
00:08:22.000 I don't know if even they have that anymore.
00:08:23.000 You got to have that word straight in there these days, but they're not going to like that one.
00:08:27.000 So what was the news?
00:08:29.000 The Boy Scouts change their name.
00:08:31.000 Scouting America now, because they don't, they let girls in now. 1.00
00:08:36.000 I'm not sure the full scope of it, but I think at this point, girls can basically do everything in scouts and become Eagle Scouts and everything like that.
00:08:43.000 This is so the Boy Scouts of America is still running SEO ads, and it still has Boy Scouts of America on their website.
00:08:50.000 They formally changed their name, I think, March next year.
00:08:52.000 They've like pre-announced it, basically.
00:08:54.000 And I got to be very honest with you, this is a tragedy, a huge one.
00:08:59.000 I kind of stopped following this closely after like 2017 or 2018 is when they first started letting girls in.
00:09:07.000 And I had a friend of mine who has been involved in scouting quite heavily.
00:09:11.000 He was saying, he was defending it, saying this is why they need to do it.
00:09:15.000 And I was saying, I can just tell the direction this is headed.
00:09:19.000 It's going to end really badly.
00:09:21.000 And frankly, everything I warned was going to play out, I feel has played out.
00:09:27.000 I think the biggest thing that stands out to me, like a reason that the Boy Scouts as it was, was such a great thing.
00:09:35.000 It wasn't even so much like, oh, the political angle of it being, you know, kind of civic Christianity or anything.
00:09:41.000 It was that it was a 100% positive thing that was an all-male space, for lack of a better term. 0.99
00:09:49.000 Very pro-American.
00:09:50.000 Very pro-American.
00:09:51.000 All that stuff is great.
00:09:52.000 But it's like an organization that is fun, that teaches useful skills and is for boys.
00:09:59.000 There's kind of, there was nothing left in America that is, as they say, like a male space.
00:10:05.000 And males like having spaces.
00:10:08.000 But no, they're necessary.
00:10:08.000 This is very important.
00:10:09.000 So sociological data will show that if you have 15 men that are trying to climb a rope, they act a certain way.
00:10:17.000 And it's actually the best way because they don't really care if they fall.
00:10:20.000 If you introduce a single female, their behavior completely changes. 1.00
00:10:23.000 Exactly.
00:10:23.000 And military units that go.
00:10:25.000 So all of a sudden they're afraid to fail, right?
00:10:25.000 Yes.
00:10:27.000 They want to impress the girl.
00:10:28.000 They start like, you know, they stop really caring about like group excellence and more about like individual superiority.
00:10:34.000 Yeah, they all compete with each other.
00:10:35.000 Exactly.
00:10:36.000 Whereas if it's just 15 boys, they're still competing, but it's a different dynamic.
00:10:40.000 They're actually more like encouraging of one another.
00:10:42.000 It's more like building up the least of these.
00:10:45.000 Yeah, and it's like, you know, even in debates, for example, it's like if you introduce someone who gets like, you know, women are a little more easily offended by things.
00:10:53.000 And then like you change the rules to be more civil.
00:10:55.000 And like male debate spaces are like really aggro.
00:10:59.000 It's just men need spaces to be men.
00:11:03.000 Well, boys need spaces to develop into men.
00:11:05.000 Yes.
00:11:06.000 And that's what, and I, I mean, scouting enriched my life.
00:11:08.000 I love scouting.
00:11:09.000 I love it.
00:11:09.000 I'm afraid it was amazing.
00:11:10.000 So I want to keep going into this next segment because we're both Eagle Scouts and like Boy Scout Camp was amazing and all the merit badge process.
00:11:17.000 Like the actual way it used to be, it's a great American thing.
00:11:21.000 Okay, let's play cut 164.
00:11:23.000 It's the Boy Scouts of America CEO announcing the name change, 164.
00:11:27.000 Sends this really strong message to everyone in America that they can come to this program.
00:11:34.000 They can bring their authentic self.
00:11:36.000 They can be who they are.
00:11:39.000 And they will be welcomed here.
00:11:42.000 The argument that I make with the people that say, well, I always like Boy Scouts of America or BSA.
00:11:47.000 Why do we have to change?
00:11:49.000 Go, you know, membership is at historic lows.
00:11:52.000 Right.
00:11:54.000 Part of my job is to reduce all the barriers I possibly can for people to accept us as an organization and to join.
00:12:04.000 What a weak statement.
00:12:05.000 So why do you think membership is low, pal?
00:12:08.000 It's because of all the scandals, first of all.
00:12:10.000 Number two, it's bad leadership.
00:12:12.000 Number three, it's because you guys have been watering down what it means to be part of Boy Scouts.
00:12:15.000 All right.
00:12:15.000 So Blake, some of my best memories and most formative experiences were in the Boy Scouts.
00:12:21.000 Summer Boy Scout camp.
00:12:22.000 You just spend a week at it getting together.
00:12:24.000 Where was yours?
00:12:24.000 In like Minnesota or something?
00:12:26.000 It was near Yankton, South Dakota.
00:12:27.000 Lewis and Clark Scout Camp was the main one.
00:12:29.000 Is that a big one?
00:12:30.000 It was pretty large.
00:12:31.000 Maybe I would go back today and be like, oh, this is tiny, but it felt huge when I was a kid.
00:12:35.000 So I found out the one I went to was called Camp Napawon, and they shut down.
00:12:40.000 And it's just so sad.
00:12:42.000 It was 400 years, 400 years, 400 acres of Rolling Forest.
00:12:46.000 That's awesome.
00:12:48.000 I've wanted to revisit it so much.
00:12:50.000 And it was his Napawon Adventure Base where memories are made.
00:12:53.000 And it literally, you go to their website, closing statement.
00:12:57.000 This was back a couple years ago.
00:12:59.000 They're like, yeah, sorry, difficult decision, not enough demand.
00:13:02.000 Boys aren't in Boy Scouting anymore.
00:13:04.000 Yeah.
00:13:05.000 And I don't know.
00:13:05.000 Maybe Lewis and Clark is like that.
00:13:07.000 I'd have to check.
00:13:09.000 I'd have to follow up even like the scout troop that I was in was an amazing troop.
00:13:17.000 It had over 100 Eagle Scouts by the time that I graduated.
00:13:20.000 We had our own scout house.
00:13:21.000 Like we owned a residential house in Sioux Falls that was just for our scout troop.
00:13:28.000 Amazing stuff.
00:13:29.000 Yours is still available.
00:13:30.000 It's still open.
00:13:31.000 Alrighty, that's amazing.
00:13:33.000 But I guess the scouting is less amazing now.
00:13:36.000 It's just too bad.
00:13:37.000 And it's a very classic case of a few phenomena, which is like, one, a sort of right-coded organization, as they would say.
00:13:47.000 Like, scouting was not overtly conservative.
00:13:50.000 It wasn't Republican.
00:13:51.000 It wasn't like an arm of any church or anything.
00:13:55.000 But it was an organization that appealed to those people.
00:13:59.000 And we have many cases, and this is a really bad one, of an organization like that sort of treating its natural supporters like crap to try to win the approval or support of people who innately dislike them and are not on their side. 0.91
00:14:14.000 So they're told by all these people, yeah, you guys have to become really pro-gay and pro-BLM and pro-all of these things. 0.88
00:14:21.000 And if you do that, you'll thrive.
00:14:23.000 And so they did that.
00:14:24.000 They burned the bridge with all of their old supporters.
00:14:26.000 The Mormons left. 0.97
00:14:26.000 They left. 0.97
00:14:27.000 A lot of form of their own thing.
00:14:28.000 They did their own thing.
00:14:29.000 And then were these people there to join?
00:14:31.000 No, they didn't actually care.
00:14:32.000 They didn't want to do that stuff.
00:14:33.000 Yeah, all they care about is to be parasitic forces to destroy what already is.
00:14:37.000 There's a great tweet.
00:14:38.000 You've probably seen it before from the guy Iowa Hawk on Twitter where it's like leftism 101.
00:14:44.000 You know, take an organization, kill it, and then wear it as a skin and be like, oh, this is Boy Scouts. 0.93
00:14:50.000 Yeah, the skin suit. 0.78
00:14:51.000 Yeah, it's like we control it, even though it's completely terrible.
00:14:54.000 And I went on Tucker's program.
00:14:56.000 You were probably there when I went when I'd got a show, and I was the guest he had on as an Eagle Scout bashing women into Boy Scouts.
00:15:03.000 And we could find that segment.
00:15:04.000 I basically said, this is the end of Boy Scouting.
00:15:07.000 Like, as soon as you allow women into Boy Scouts, it is the end of it. 1.00
00:15:11.000 By the way, you have Girl Scouts of America.
00:15:13.000 Yeah.
00:15:13.000 But the Girl Scouts never was as popular as Boy Scouts.
00:15:17.000 It's different, I will say, is that Girl Scouts, it's very focused kind of on women's empowerment.
00:15:23.000 And so like, that's why the Girl Scout cookies are such a thing, because they want to push entrepreneurship, be a girl business owner. 1.00
00:15:29.000 That's fine, but let's be honest.
00:15:30.000 We need like strong men in a society and Boy Scouts.
00:15:33.000 How many presidents came out of Boy Scouting?
00:15:35.000 I know Eisenhower.
00:15:36.000 Gerald Ford was a Eagle Scout, I believe.
00:15:38.000 Okay, I know there were several out of Boy Scouting, like astronauts.
00:15:41.000 I know there were a ton of astronauts, like limitless governors and senators, CEOs.
00:15:46.000 We can get a list of the most famous Boy Scouts and Eagle Scouts.
00:15:49.000 And for those that don't know, in Boy Scouting, oh, Mikey McCoy is also an Eagle Scout, too.
00:15:54.000 We got three Eagles.
00:15:54.000 You know, what are the chances of that?
00:15:55.000 I'm looking up famous Eagle Scouts.
00:15:57.000 Do we have any more?
00:15:58.000 Do we have more Eagle Scouts around here?
00:15:59.000 You're another Eagle Scout?
00:16:00.000 Is that Dallin?
00:16:02.000 Is that Dallin?
00:16:04.000 That's awesome.
00:16:04.000 That's four Eagle Scouts in the office.
00:16:06.000 That's why this place is so well run and clean.
00:16:10.000 I'll just stop it.
00:16:11.000 I'll just stop there.
00:16:12.000 Is that only four in the office?
00:16:13.000 That's actually super impressive.
00:16:14.000 You know, I think it's like less than 1% of 1% of people that enter Scouts actually end up becoming 1 or 2% of scouts, I think.
00:16:20.000 Yeah.
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00:17:29.000 Okay, I want to get to our next question here, but just those that are not in Scouting know that there is a huge emphasis in scouting on acting ethically.
00:17:37.000 If I were to say the biggest thing, it was that you must be a good person before everything else.
00:17:42.000 Exactly.
00:17:43.000 Would you agree that it's like really almost beat into you?
00:17:46.000 It is ingrained into you.
00:17:48.000 Like you must tell the truth that you being a good person is the most important thing to being a successful person, yes.
00:17:55.000 The scouts law that we just recited, right?
00:17:57.000 And from the Eagle Scout project to the way that you conduct yourself.
00:18:02.000 And I asked the question.
00:18:04.000 You know what's not in the scout law?
00:18:05.000 Nice.
00:18:06.000 It never says a scout is nice.
00:18:07.000 No, it never says a scout is nice.
00:18:08.000 I like that.
00:18:09.000 That's true.
00:18:10.000 It does say it's just cheerful.
00:18:12.000 Cheerful?
00:18:12.000 Kind.
00:18:13.000 Those are similar, but they are not nice.
00:18:15.000 I love that.
00:18:17.000 And someone says here, Rex Tillerson killed the Boy Scouts of America.
00:18:20.000 That's interesting.
00:18:21.000 Didn't he run the Boy Scouts of America?
00:18:23.000 Did he?
00:18:23.000 I know Secretary of Senator Trump.
00:18:25.000 Gates ran it.
00:18:27.000 Not Bill Gates.
00:18:29.000 Robert Gates.
00:18:29.000 Did Tillerson do it?
00:18:31.000 But I know that they were slammed with a bunch of lawsuits because of the sexual abuse stuff.
00:18:34.000 I know that was the case.
00:18:36.000 I know that they had floods and floods of lawsuits, but they have ruined scouts.
00:18:40.000 And it is honestly one of the no-spin, no BS tragedies because it has proven to produce very good people.
00:18:48.000 And now where do young men go to get developed?
00:18:50.000 I guess the organization that Caleb mentioned.
00:18:52.000 Okay, I mean, you just get things like they join like jiu-jitsu gyms and stuff.
00:18:56.000 Like those are the places they go to get like male companionship, which is good.
00:19:00.000 Yeah, it's fine.
00:19:01.000 But it's not what's great about Boy Scouts is like everything fit together.
00:19:05.000 It was skills and it was like a positive male space and it promoted kind of traditional values without having to be like sectarian, so to speak.
00:19:16.000 It was just everything about it was good. 0.99
00:19:18.000 So of course it had to be killed.
00:19:20.000 Yeah, and just to add on to that, there's a system too.
00:19:24.000 The Boy Scouts had a system that worked and they decided to destroy it.
00:19:28.000 That's what the left does.
00:19:29.000 Okay, let's get to the next question here.
00:19:30.000 It is Lisi, who is a member.
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00:19:42.000 Okay, Lisi, thank you for being a member.
00:19:44.000 What is on your mind?
00:19:45.000 Thank you so much, Charlie.
00:19:47.000 My question is, what are your thoughts on the recent confirmation and announcement of the Department of Labor salary threshold increases and the FTC ban on non-compete agreements?
00:19:57.000 And how do we combat that?
00:19:58.000 It's a wonderful question.
00:19:59.000 Thank you, Lisi.
00:20:00.000 I'm going to hand this off to Mr. Blake because you actually flagged this.
00:20:04.000 I asked the question, and you can, is this even legal?
00:20:06.000 Can the federal government ban contractual agreements between employers and employees?
00:20:12.000 I've definitely sensed that it seems like an overreach for the FTC to come out and say, like, oh, we've decided this is illegal now.
00:20:20.000 It is a huge reach to just say, oh, like Congress created this and we just realized this interpreting the law or this is within the scope of what the FTC does.
00:20:30.000 I did ask a pretty prominent leader in like the tech space what the impact of this would be.
00:20:38.000 And what I will say is he didn't seem to think it would be that bad.
00:20:42.000 And I can see an argument for this.
00:20:43.000 He pointed out that non-competes like in tech, for example, are very much a way of entrenching the big competitor, like the big established players because they say like, oh, you can't leave and start your own company ever.
00:20:56.000 It varies from place to place how legitimate that would be.
00:21:01.000 But by its very nature, non-competes favor entrenched actors.
00:21:04.000 They're already banned in some states.
00:21:07.000 But how would they even get the idea that they can get between private contract law?
00:21:13.000 Well, I mean, we have the Commerce Clause, which is the most elastic clause in the U.S. Constitution.
00:21:18.000 So if you have any company that does any business between more than one state, the government can basically do whatever they want.
00:21:25.000 Like all of the civil rights acts are justified by the Commerce Clause.
00:21:29.000 You know, they can do things like ban you from raising chickens, like growing wheat on your own farm to feed your own chickens because in some tangential way, that would involve interstate commerce.
00:21:40.000 So if you think of it that way, they can probably ban non-compete contracts for a large company.
00:21:50.000 I think a lot of people are freaking out about this.
00:21:53.000 I suspect it could easily get tossed out.
00:21:57.000 I don't know if it would necessarily be a bad thing if it became law or like the worst thing in the world if it became law.
00:22:02.000 I don't like it as an employer.
00:22:03.000 I mean, you should be able to come to an agreement with your employees, right?
00:22:06.000 Well, okay, but it's like clearly it's like a relatively coercive agreement.
00:22:10.000 Like you can never leave and do your own company if you work for us, which is a lot of how this works.
00:22:15.000 Like a lot of non-competes say, you cannot work in this industry if you leave this company.
00:22:20.000 That's kind of a dark demand to me.
00:22:22.000 But two thoughts on this.
00:22:24.000 Number one is that they do agree to it, right?
00:22:26.000 So, but you might say, well, they will.
00:22:27.000 Okay, but like by that standard, let's do an extreme example.
00:22:31.000 Should we allow like a boss to say like, you have to sleep with me at this job or you can't work here? 0.99
00:22:36.000 That's an agreement.
00:22:37.000 Well, no, you would probably quit, right?
00:22:39.000 Well, but what if you need to work this job or you'll be homeless or it's paired with a non-compete so you can't work in the same industry?
00:22:44.000 That sounds awfully Marxist, right?
00:22:46.000 I know.
00:22:47.000 It's like, you must have the job so you're coercive to it.
00:22:50.000 Think of it the other way, like saying you can't like leave and compete somewhere else.
00:22:55.000 Let's play this out because I'm less concerned about non-competes.
00:22:58.000 What about NDAs?
00:23:00.000 Blake, you could agree NDAs shouldn't be obliterated.
00:23:04.000 Yeah, I mean, probably not.
00:23:06.000 I mean, that's a lot less restrictive and coercive than I think.
00:23:11.000 Or how about non-disparagements?
00:23:14.000 I think that makes sense because that is a contract related to your conduct with this employer.
00:23:19.000 Yes.
00:23:20.000 Whereas a non-compete is essentially saying you, it's a coercive impact on your ability to work somewhere else, to leave and do work with another company.
00:23:30.000 Right, but they signed it voluntarily.
00:23:32.000 I hear what you're saying.
00:23:33.000 Yes, but again.
00:23:33.000 Is the FTC going to just shorten the horizon on it or just get rid of them altogether?
00:23:37.000 I think their idea is to essentially ban them entirely.
00:23:39.000 I haven't read the exact details of it.
00:23:41.000 But I think you can already cover this.
00:23:43.000 A lot of the justification for it is like, oh, they would take your tech and then leave and steal it.
00:23:49.000 But there are other ways to restrict that.
00:23:51.000 You know, you have trademark copyright patent law.
00:23:53.000 All of those things exist already.
00:23:54.000 Let's take the example for the Google self-driving cars in Uber.
00:23:58.000 Remember?
00:23:58.000 That turned into this huge.
00:24:00.000 I don't know if you remember that massive lawsuit with capital indictments.
00:24:02.000 Yes.
00:24:03.000 Yeah.
00:24:03.000 But he was under non-compete and he just broke it.
00:24:07.000 And then it turned into this huge thing.
00:24:09.000 I guess how do you then enforce it just through trademark?
00:24:12.000 Because a lot of the trademarks sometimes is the person.
00:24:14.000 That's true.
00:24:15.000 Because you're trademarking a person.
00:24:16.000 They've been there for a decade.
00:24:17.000 You're pouring into them.
00:24:18.000 And then they just leave and go to.
00:24:21.000 So I guess.
00:24:22.000 You see what I'm saying?
00:24:23.000 You almost become an asset of the company at that point.
00:24:25.000 Yeah, I guess I'm just, I'm always wary of anything that's justified.
00:24:28.000 I'm like, oh, it's a contract.
00:24:30.000 Yet the impact of it is to give enormous power to what are already the entrenched established actors.
00:24:36.000 Like, there are a ton of contracts that we don't allow.
00:24:40.000 And then to say, like, oh, this thing is protected by like the sanctity of contract.
00:24:44.000 And it's the one that says, oh, if you work for this company, you can never leave and still work in the same field.
00:24:50.000 Like the amount of power that gives to someone.
00:24:52.000 And like, yeah, they agree to it, but they're the entrenched actor.
00:24:56.000 And so you get a cyclical thing where like, oh, you can only work at this one monopolistic company if you're in this field.
00:25:02.000 And the reason that they're the ones who are the monopoly in this field is because they force everyone who works for them to sign a contract that they can never form a competitor.
00:25:10.000 Yeah, Google or like, okay, if I work at Salesforce.
00:25:15.000 Oh, yeah, or any company or like, let's say an AI company.
00:25:18.000 And you're like, I work at this AI company and I sign a contract that I can never leave and work at a different AI company or start my own AI company.
00:25:26.000 And to say like you can't sign, like to say that you can sign a contract that restricts your future freedom of action that sharp of a hole.
00:25:33.000 I think some nuance is important.
00:25:34.000 Let's say that you buy a company and you're purchasing the assets and the essentially the contracts.
00:25:41.000 Can't you do a non-compete with the CEO so that the CEO doesn't leave and compete against the company just lost?
00:25:46.000 That might still be allowed as part of that.
00:25:48.000 That's okay.
00:25:49.000 That would, I think, be reasonable.
00:25:50.000 You give the CEO 50 million bucks and he's going to go turn around and compete against it.
00:25:54.000 That would be reasonable, I think.
00:25:55.000 And I think that might still be allowed in the FTCs.
00:25:57.000 I'd have to double charge.
00:25:58.000 All right, well, then it's not as like making a non-compete as part of like a purchase agreement or something large like that, as opposed to a condition of employment is that you just can't leave.
00:26:10.000 It feels very dark to me to say that that level.
00:26:13.000 Ryan says C-levels were not part of this.
00:26:18.000 That's what I'm thinking.
00:26:19.000 Because I mean, at least from, I mean, just here locally in Phoenix, there was a huge non-compete lawsuit with restaurants.
00:26:24.000 A huge restaurant tour got his whole thing bought and like, you can't do any new restaurants.
00:26:29.000 He's like, eh, I am.
00:26:30.000 And he went and did restaurants.
00:26:31.000 And they paid him like hundreds of millions of dollars for his restaurants.
00:26:34.000 And so you could see where that tension is.
00:26:37.000 Yeah, I feel like at the least, like getting rid of non-competes doesn't kill businesses. 1.00
00:26:43.000 And they still have a lot of startups in California without them, despite California being a horrible state in a million other ways for business.
00:26:50.000 So probably not the end of the world to get rid of them.
00:26:53.000 I understand why people would oppose them.
00:26:55.000 I also understand or would oppose the ban.
00:26:58.000 But I don't think it necessarily should be a knee-jerk thing.
00:27:00.000 I think you can make a pro-capitalism, pro-free market argument for restricting them.
00:27:05.000 That said, I do think Congress should pass a law rather than Lena Khan coming out and just saying, I'm going to blow this up. 0.99
00:27:12.000 I mean, I just don't trust the administrative state because they're going to go after NDAs.
00:27:14.000 Not at all.
00:27:14.000 Yeah, they're going to go after NDAs next.
00:27:16.000 Yeah.
00:27:16.000 And NDAs, I think, should be protected, without a doubt.
00:27:20.000 Would you agree?
00:27:21.000 Yeah, I think so.
00:27:22.000 You think so?
00:27:23.000 Well, it's all silly now where we get this song and dance where you'll have an NDA and then someone will come out and say, like, I want to say something, but I can't because of the NDA. 0.90
00:27:32.000 And they do that stupid PR assault to force them to waive the NDA.
00:27:36.000 And it's like, well, why do the NDAs exist then? 0.98
00:27:40.000 Yeah, I guess, but they're still not breaking it.
00:27:41.000 They would do that with Weinstein.
00:27:42.000 I think Weinstein was like pressured into waiving all of his NDAs or something.
00:27:46.000 Did he?
00:27:46.000 I don't know if he did.
00:27:47.000 Someone did.
00:27:47.000 So you've had celebrities be pressured into doing it.
00:27:50.000 It's all like BS.
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00:27:55.000 Let me, let's get to Vasant, who I'm glad I have my partner here, Blake, to help me through this because I do not know how to answer.
00:28:03.000 I know very little about this.
00:28:05.000 Vasant, thank you for being a member.
00:28:06.000 What's on your mind?
00:28:07.000 Hi.
00:28:08.000 Can you hear me?
00:28:09.000 Yes, I can.
00:28:10.000 Thank you for being a member.
00:28:11.000 Yeah, hi.
00:28:12.000 I really like what you do.
00:28:14.000 And your podcasts are very informative.
00:28:17.000 So I just wanted to start with that.
00:28:19.000 So I had a question regarding your stance on the conflict in Jammu and Kashmir.
00:28:26.000 Obviously, this is an issue that's been debated.
00:28:29.000 And obviously, this has been an issue that has been brought up by many senators and congressmen and congresswomen in America.
00:28:36.000 Obviously, with me, this is a very important issue to me because my ancestors were actually driven out of their homes in Jammu and Kashmir and they were victims of Islamist settler colonization.
00:28:48.000 And when I see politicians like Elon Omer and many other U.S. politicians saying that India is illegally occupying the land and saying that the U.S. should encourage for the, you know, the encouragement of the freedom of demonstration and the free will for Kashmiris, it really hits a nerve with me.
00:29:08.000 So I wanted to know what is the conservative talking point on this conflict and what should what stand should the U.S. take?
00:29:16.000 And you personally, I know you don't know too much about this conflict, but I want to know what your take on this conflict is and obviously who you think the land rightfully belongs to.
00:29:27.000 Thank you for your support and for that question.
00:29:30.000 So I first, I'm going to let Blake just take some time and walk through exactly what we're talking about here.
00:29:35.000 It is not a everyday American topic, but it's a very important one geopolitically.
00:29:40.000 So Blake, educate the audience on that.
00:29:42.000 Okay, so he's talking about, and feel free to correct me if he's still here if I screw anything up, because I'm certainly not an expert on it.
00:29:49.000 So Jammu and Kashmir, they're a region in the northern Indian subcontinent.
00:29:54.000 It's a disputed region between India and Pakistan.
00:29:59.000 So it's kind of, it's, like I said, far north, kind of near the Himalayas.
00:30:02.000 It's basically split between them.
00:30:04.000 So about half that territory is currently administered by Pakistan and about half is administered by India.
00:30:13.000 It fits into the wider conflict because there are people in Kashmir who want to be independent.
00:30:17.000 There are people who would like to be part of Pakistan, people who would like to be part of India.
00:30:21.000 It's become a little more fraught recently because I think it had a special legal status in India where other Hindu Indians in the rest of the country couldn't buy land there, I believe.
00:30:33.000 And they've recently revised that so that they're able to move there and it's a more normal part of India.
00:30:39.000 Lots of drama.
00:30:41.000 What I would say, my personal kind of take on it is, is a person can have whatever opinion they want on it.
00:30:49.000 I definitely, in the grand scheme of things, like India more than I like Pakistan for a lot of reasons that I think are understandable. 1.00
00:31:00.000 I think obvious.
00:31:01.000 Yeah, and obvious.
00:31:02.000 So by disposition, India is an exciting country.
00:31:06.000 India is an exciting country.
00:31:07.000 It's going well.
00:31:09.000 I don't know if thriving democracy is like exciting.
00:31:12.000 Yeah, it's exciting.
00:31:13.000 They're growing and they're prospering and they're kind of moving in a more pro-U.S. way.
00:31:17.000 So I like them overall.
00:31:19.000 That said, on the specifics of the Kashmir question, I think this is a classic case of a question the U.S. should not be getting too involved in because it is literally on the other side of the planet. 0.98
00:31:33.000 And there are people who care a lot more about it than we ever will.
00:31:38.000 And it's just, it's not crucial to U.S. security.
00:31:41.000 And I think the last 40 years of U.S. history have shown us the perils of repeatedly getting invested in territorial disputes on the far side of the planet.
00:31:50.000 Like even, you know, like with Russia-Ukraine.
00:31:52.000 We've never said there is not a right or wrong side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
00:31:56.000 I think we're sympathetic towards Ukrainians, that they're being invaded.
00:32:00.000 And Putin should not have invaded.
00:32:01.000 Putin should not have invaded.
00:32:03.000 But I would just say it is not a thing that America should be getting invested in to a massive degree.
00:32:09.000 It gets us, you get embroiled in other people's troubles.
00:32:14.000 It gets very morally fraught.
00:32:16.000 You just get involved in too much stuff.
00:32:19.000 That's my advice.
00:32:20.000 Just to be clear, if the State Department allows India to defend itself, India will probably be very successful. 0.98
00:32:26.000 Yeah, India, I think, is a country.
00:32:28.000 India is capable of taking care of itself.
00:32:30.000 Yes.
00:32:31.000 And we should be friends with great military, but they could if they wanted to.
00:32:34.000 We should be friendly with them.
00:32:36.000 We should continue to cultivate our friendly status with them because I do agree they're more sympathetic than Pakistan.
00:32:44.000 But I don't think that America should be investing its diplomatic weight in one side of a question that is probably relatively intractable.
00:32:54.000 Thank you for your support.
00:32:55.000 Really appreciate it.
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00:33:01.000 Another important component is Pakistan allegedly was supposed to help us with a war in terror, but then they were safe harboring Osama bin Laden. 0.82
00:33:07.000 And then they maybe sold him out.
00:33:08.000 Like that's one of the conspiracies is they, that, you know, all of the story of how we found him is fake and Pakistan just said, yeah, there he is. 0.59
00:33:14.000 They play habzies. 0.99
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00:33:59.000 All right, let's go to Daniel.
00:34:01.000 Daniel, thank you for being a member.
00:34:03.000 What is on your mind?
00:34:04.000 Yes.
00:34:06.000 Knowing that Gen X and the boomer generation tends to get most collective at churches.
00:34:18.000 If you had a chance to speak at a conference for thousands of church leaders, what topic would you speak on?
00:34:27.000 Well, thank you.
00:34:28.000 I would talk about their need to speak about what's happening in the country and why they should be biblical in their approach and be unafraid of being called political.
00:34:37.000 That's what I would say.
00:34:38.000 So I think church leaders need to speak out.
00:34:40.000 They need to be morally clear in these confusing times, resist tyranny, and defend liberty.
00:34:45.000 That is what I would say, definitely.
00:34:46.000 So you have a conference in mind, Daniel?
00:34:50.000 For the first time in a long time, I'm going to the Willow Creek one as an attendee, not as a speaker, but I would curious on what, if you were a speaker there, what would you be speaking on?
00:35:06.000 Interestingly, I'm so glad you mentioned that.
00:35:07.000 I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago.
00:35:09.000 I would passively attend Willow Creek Community Church.
00:35:12.000 And when Bill Heibels was still there, they have their global leadership conference or their summit, which I think is what you're talking about.
00:35:19.000 They have gone very woke, Daniel, as I'm sure you know.
00:35:21.000 And I'm glad you're going, by the way.
00:35:22.000 You should go there and be salt and light and be influenced, meet as many people as you can.
00:35:25.000 So I'm super thrilled you're going.
00:35:26.000 But they have gone very, very woke, and they did for quite some time.
00:35:30.000 And that's honestly one of the reasons why I think that church fell apart.
00:35:33.000 And Willow Creek is largely responsible for the corporatization of the modern American church.
00:35:39.000 They were through their global leadership summit, they kind of presented this model: like, hey, go borrow a bunch of money, get huge buildings, try to get as many people as possible, you know, dilute the gospel message.
00:35:49.000 I think it did a lot of damage.
00:35:50.000 So, Daniel, God bless you, man, and send me an email how it goes at that Global Leadership Summit.
00:35:54.000 Really appreciate that.
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00:35:57.000 How about this one?
00:35:57.000 Charlie, I can't join the call today, but I listen to every single episode.
00:36:02.000 Only Blake, I think, and Andrew can say that you listen to every equality control them all, right?
00:36:06.000 Daisy takes some of them, but I guess this person listens to more than you.
00:36:11.000 It's quite possible.
00:36:12.000 Huge conversation happening right now about celebrities going to the Met Gala and showing off their wealth while everyday Americans can't pay for their groceries.
00:36:19.000 While a conservative, I can see the issue of, quote, the rich get richer while the poor get poorer.
00:36:25.000 Where should we stand?
00:36:27.000 Well, so look, I don't think as a conservative, it should be a contradiction.
00:36:30.000 You have to just be very clear, first and foremost, that that is the perfect image of the modern left and the super rich oligarchs and the government-dependent poor.
00:36:38.000 That is their coalition: super-rich oligarchs and the government-dependent poor.
00:36:42.000 Tickets were $75,000 a piece, is what I'm told to the Met Gala, $75,000 apiece.
00:36:48.000 Now, not everyone had to pay, but some were invited, and some people did indeed pay.
00:36:52.000 But this is important: the American middle class is being destroyed.
00:36:55.000 According to Zillow.com, it required to buy a home about $75,000 a year when Donald Trump ended his presidency.
00:37:02.000 I'm approximating.
00:37:03.000 Now it's over $120,000 to $130,000 a year to purchase a home.
00:37:07.000 Everything is more expensive, and the middle class is being destroyed largely because of how much money we're printing.
00:37:11.000 You have a thought on that, Blake?
00:37:12.000 I think it's immoral for rich people to be rich and to do things, but I would say Tucker has talked about this too.
00:37:21.000 It's sort of from a prudential point of view, which is if you're going to live it up, you should be aware of what the state of your country is and how it will appear to people.
00:37:31.000 And if you have extreme, lavish, over-the-top displays, opulence, displays of wealth in a country that has a sense of being in decay, that will, the public is going to take a jaundiced eye towards that.
00:37:46.000 They're going to not like it.
00:37:49.000 People can be proud.
00:37:50.000 Like in a more healthy society, people are kind of like, they enjoy the lives of like the rich and famous and they, you know, they'll be okay with it.
00:37:57.000 But if their sense is like, these people are living great and laughing at us.
00:38:02.000 And yeah, and they're just getting really rich at my expense, they're going, that's how you get this like pre-revolutionary ferment where people want to burn it all down.
00:38:10.000 And we don't want to burn it all down.
00:38:12.000 That's the important thing.
00:38:13.000 And also, I think we have to be honest.
00:38:14.000 Like, how are some of the, how is the wealth gravitating upwards?
00:38:17.000 And it's not in natural ways.
00:38:20.000 It is artificial government intervention that's happened.
00:38:23.000 For sure.
00:38:23.000 And that makes it worse too.
00:38:25.000 It's sort of, that's why Teddy Roosevelt was a great president.
00:38:28.000 It was that he could look at an America that was fabulously wealthy and getting wealthier, but say, if we don't curb excesses, there will be like a revolution in America.
00:38:38.000 And we don't want that because America is a great country.
00:38:41.000 And I think you want to have that attitude with your wealthy people, that they should think we can live well, but we have some obligations towards the country.
00:38:50.000 And some of that can be as simple as at least some of the wealth should be very publicly directed.
00:38:55.000 And I think one thing that stinks with our rich people is like their charitable endeavors are often kind of uninspiring.
00:39:01.000 Like, you know, you just feed $500 million into this left-wing activist group that then erects encampments in your cities.
00:39:08.000 Andrew Carnegie spent a billion dollars building libraries, and they're all so beautiful that, you know, 80% of them are still standing today.
00:39:15.000 And they're city halls.
00:39:16.000 My city hall in Sioux Falls when I was growing up was a Carnegie library that they converted.
00:39:21.000 And I think you'd want wealthy people to put a lot of cash into beautifying things that the public can appreciate.
00:39:30.000 And I think America feels really great when we're able to see that, when you have the most beautiful things in your society are open to the public, accessible to the public.
00:39:39.000 Yeah, and in addition to that, that's why I have so much respect for Elon Musk, is that Elon Musk has deployed a huge portion of his net worth for something that is not just Met Gala, you know, opulence, right?
00:39:50.000 Again, I have no problem with if you earned your money, spend it how you want, but be very careful about the message it sends to people if they're struggling and then they're in pain when you are doing nothing to save them.
00:39:58.000 And Elon Musk buying Twitter and liberating it has been one of the great charitable moral goods.
00:40:04.000 Like he's not making money off.
00:40:05.000 Yeah, I mean, it's he might in the future, by the way.
00:40:07.000 Yeah.
00:40:08.000 But it's a huge moral good for humanity.
00:40:10.000 Massive.
00:40:11.000 Massive.
00:40:12.000 Okay, everybody, let's get to the next member question here.
00:40:14.000 Shelly, you do a great job responding to questions of presenting your points, Charlie, to liberal college kids.
00:40:18.000 But I noticed that some of them are also pretty good at debating you.
00:40:20.000 I agree.
00:40:21.000 The question is: are you seeing changes for the better in students on campus where you have visited these past few years?
00:40:25.000 Do you see college students becoming more and more open, more and more conservatives with results, yes?
00:40:29.000 We've been saying we've got to just keep repeating.
00:40:31.000 The data is actually really improving and we are doing really well.
00:40:35.000 But Blake, I think this is important that you visit a lot of these college campuses.
00:40:39.000 Some of the students are far better informed than your average 50-year-old.
00:40:46.000 Would that be fair?
00:40:47.000 Yeah, I think when they get really involved and really invested, they have the time.
00:40:51.000 And yeah, they're shockingly well informed.
00:40:54.000 They don't have to pay a mortgage.
00:40:55.000 Yeah.
00:40:55.000 And so we have to be on our feet a little nimble on every possible topic.
00:40:59.000 We have to be ready.
00:41:00.000 And some of them are just obviously like they're political operatives.
00:41:02.000 We had a guy with the Biden campaign, I believe, Washington.
00:41:06.000 And he was really like bombarding us with some stuff.
00:41:08.000 That was some back and forth.
00:41:10.000 But also, it's not just that college students are getting more conservative.
00:41:10.000 Yes.
00:41:14.000 It's that they're getting more openly conservative.
00:41:17.000 Like when you were doing your table at Washington, we had quite a group of guys who were just like directly standing against the anti-FIFA goons.
00:41:25.000 We've seen that trend.
00:41:27.000 And like, you know, they'll, for lack of a better term, dialogue with them as opposed to, they won't just stand in their way or scream at them.
00:41:33.000 They'll kind of like ridicule them or make ideological points.
00:41:37.000 And you just, I don't feel think people were brave enough to do that in 2019, 2020.
00:41:43.000 There was more of a fever over the country that made that feel dangerous.
00:41:46.000 And it still is somewhat dangerous, but people are standing up for themselves a lot more.
00:41:50.000 And I like that.
00:41:51.000 I agree.
00:41:52.000 And yes, some of the college students are super informed.
00:41:54.000 And so, by the way, some people say, oh, Charlie, you just go and debate college.
00:41:57.000 First of all, I'll debate anybody.
00:41:58.000 I've debated PhDs.
00:41:59.000 I've debated, you know, professors and politicians.
00:42:03.000 But your average college kid sometimes actually is more into it than an adult.
00:42:07.000 They have more time and they have more energy at times.
00:42:09.000 Okay, let's go to the next question here.
00:42:11.000 Let's go to Charlie Newmember here since 25 years, a legal alien with a fairly big business in Great America.
00:42:17.000 I live and breathe it every day, really worried about America.
00:42:19.000 Would be a lot cheaper and closer for me for my family to move to Russia, but I picked up to America for all the reasons you're fighting for every day.
00:42:24.000 Question, with all the polling data and predictions for the electoral votes with the Nebraska issue, will it get changed?
00:42:30.000 I've said before we feel very good about Nebraska.
00:42:32.000 Ask me in like end of June.
00:42:34.000 What did the polling look like?
00:42:36.000 Blake, this can be a great question for you.
00:42:38.000 What did the polling look like in 2020 compared to where it is now?
00:42:42.000 So that's a great question.
00:42:43.000 Donald Trump in May of 2020 was really in a hole.
00:42:48.000 He was really down and he came back towards the end.
00:42:51.000 I'm furious.
00:42:52.000 I'm looking at it now.
00:42:53.000 So just as an example, a legal alien.
00:42:55.000 I'm sorry.
00:42:56.000 But yes.
00:42:57.000 I'm just looking now at the Real Clear Politics average, for example, for Wisconsin in 2020.
00:43:04.000 And the Real Clear average when we were going into election day was that Biden was up 6.7 points.
00:43:11.000 There were individual polls.
00:43:12.000 Reuters had him up 10.
00:43:14.000 New York Times had him up 11.
00:43:16.000 CNBC had him up eight.
00:43:18.000 And the final result, officially, was that Biden won it by 0.7.
00:43:24.000 So it was off by six points in Trump's favor.
00:43:28.000 Still allegedly lost, but huge polling error.
00:43:31.000 So now if we check, let me check RCP, Wisconsin.
00:43:35.000 Chris Trump up average.
00:43:38.000 Blah, blah, blah. 0.99
00:43:39.000 Sorry, I got to look this crap up. 0.99
00:43:41.000 It shows Trump up like four points in Wisconsin. 0.96
00:43:43.000 0.5 points.
00:43:44.000 Wisconsin on the average, up five in Arizona.
00:43:47.000 Now, I want to be clear, though.
00:43:49.000 There's a chance, this is where I struggle.
00:43:51.000 Trump almost always overperforms the polls, but have the polls been getting better?
00:43:55.000 They have.
00:43:56.000 And that's important.
00:43:57.000 And they're sampling rules more.
00:43:59.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:44:00.000 And a concern I have, very often, I think conservatives have learned to be combative towards polls.
00:44:07.000 And the attitude you'll see is they'll believe the polls are like a form of propaganda.
00:44:13.000 Like they're structured to like, oh, they want to send the message.
00:44:16.000 Like, for example, they'll rig the poll so it looks like Biden's way up to demoralize us.
00:44:21.000 And then now maybe they're swinging our way because they want us overconfident.
00:44:25.000 There's a lot of different polling outfits.
00:44:28.000 My belief is most pollsters who are not like affiliated with a campaign, because there are polls like that, but most normal polls that you're going to see reported in the news, they are trying to get it right.
00:44:41.000 They want to be accurate because that is what their professional reputation is staked on.
00:44:45.000 There are fake polls at times, though.
00:44:47.000 There are fake polls, and polling error is real.
00:44:50.000 But I do believe that they consider it embarrassing that they whiffed so bad in 2020 in many states.
00:44:56.000 Are they overcorrect?
00:44:57.000 And they could be overcorrect.
00:44:58.000 However, a new Quinny Piak poll shows Biden up six in Wisconsin.
00:45:02.000 Exactly.
00:45:02.000 And they are a liberal-leaning pollster on average, I believe.
00:45:05.000 But it shows it too close to call if the third-party candidates are included.
00:45:09.000 So it's all over the place.
00:45:10.000 This race is a hard one to poll.
00:45:12.000 Let's forget, let's just kind of forget all the polling.
00:45:15.000 I think it's fair to say they're most worried that Trump is going to get hot and hotter and hotter closer to the election.
00:45:20.000 He finishes really well.
00:45:22.000 Yes.
00:45:22.000 And he finished well in 16.
00:45:23.000 He finished well in 20.
00:45:25.000 Meaning he just gets on message, and those last two weeks, it's like this theory that they just can't contain.
00:45:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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