The Charlie Kirk Show - July 21, 2025


Ask Charlie Anything 231: Charlie on Mariology? Deflating the Student Loan Bubble? Marriage and the Military?


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Join us as we debate the question: Is Mary sinless? Today's guest is a member of Turning Point USA, an organization dedicated to fighting for freedom on college campuses across the country. He has a unique perspective on the question.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
00:00:04.000 It's Monday.
00:00:04.000 It's our Ask Me Anything episode.
00:00:06.000 Was Mary sinless? 0.92
00:00:08.000 That's an interesting question.
00:00:09.000 What is my opinion on Mariology?
00:00:11.000 I love Catholics.
00:00:12.000 I say that in the show, but we have a great conversation about that.
00:00:15.000 Email me freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:18.000 We talk about North Carolina, we talk about Georgia, talk a little bit about Epstein, not too much.
00:00:22.000 We also talk about student loans and more.
00:00:25.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast.
00:00:29.000 That is the Charlie Kirk Show podcast page.
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00:00:34.000 That is tpusa.com.
00:00:37.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:38.000 Here we go.
00:00:38.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:40.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:42.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie.
00:00:46.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House.
00:00:49.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:50.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:51.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:00:53.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, turning point USA.
00:00:59.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:01:37.000 So we're going to be doing our members call today.
00:01:39.000 I want to hear from you what's on your mind.
00:01:41.000 Are we going to talk about Epstein?
00:01:42.000 We're going to talk about the border for members only.
00:01:44.000 It's members.charliekirk.com if you want to join this program.
00:01:48.000 Nothing is off limits.
00:01:49.000 So David is our first member.
00:01:51.000 David, thank you for being a member.
00:01:52.000 Members.charliekirk.com.
00:01:54.000 Thank you so much.
00:01:55.000 What's on your mind, sir?
00:01:56.000 Well, hello, Charlie.
00:01:57.000 Good to talk to you.
00:02:00.000 I watched your video with Michael Knowles debating Catholic versus Protestant.
00:02:04.000 Your argument was the best argument I've heard on this subject.
00:02:07.000 I'm a Protestant like you and have been listening to the Michael Knowles show for years.
00:02:11.000 And he is a great guy, but sometimes Michael Knowles is so Catholic, he could have been the new Pope.
00:02:17.000 I know.
00:02:18.000 I'm glad you left it, though.
00:02:20.000 I know, Charlie, a lot of Catholics are real Christians, including Michael Knowles.
00:02:24.000 But we are the people of the Bible, and Catholic theology can be like Swiss cheese.
00:02:28.000 Lots of holes.
00:02:29.000 Their obsession with Mary is completely unbiblical.
00:02:32.000 I used to go to the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, California, once in a while, and then they were sold to the Catholic Church.
00:02:38.000 And in the prayer room I used to use, they now have a crystal sculpture of Mother Mary at the center of the prayer room where you can kneel and pray to Mary.
00:02:46.000 Plus a 20-foot-tall statue of Mary in the courtyard titled Mary, Queen of Heaven.
00:02:51.000 I don't know exactly where this Mariology comes from, but obviously Jesus didn't believe in it.
00:02:56.000 All throughout the Gospels, he never mentions it.
00:02:59.000 If anything, he taught against it.
00:03:00.000 I was wondering, could it be, since you and Michael Knowles both have a big following, that you could do a one-hour debate about Catholic versus Protestant?
00:03:08.000 What do you think, Charlie?
00:03:09.000 I love it.
00:03:10.000 First of all, thank you for being a member.
00:03:11.000 You've actually hit on one of my major, major concerns of Catholicism.
00:03:17.000 And I mean, look, I love Catholics.
00:03:19.000 You know, as people know, I'm very close to even my local Catholic priest, Father Klein, great guy.
00:03:24.000 My wife was baptized Catholic, but I have some big disagreements with Catholicism.
00:03:28.000 And the first of which would be Mariology.
00:03:32.000 But let me first say, I think we as Protestants and evangelicals under-venerate Mary.
00:03:36.000 She was very important.
00:03:38.000 She was a vessel for our Lord and Savior.
00:03:41.000 I think that we as evangelicals and Protestants, we've over-corrected.
00:03:46.000 We don't talk about Mary enough.
00:03:47.000 We don't venerate her enough.
00:03:50.000 Mary was clearly important to early Christians.
00:03:53.000 There's something there.
00:03:54.000 In fact, I believe one of the ways that we fix toxic feminism in America is Mary is the solution. 1.00
00:04:02.000 Have more young ladies be pious, be reverent, to be full of faith, slow to anger, slow to words at times. 1.00
00:04:13.000 Mary is a phenomenal example, and I think a counter to so much of the toxicity of feminism in the modern era. 1.00
00:04:20.000 However, I would say Catholicism goes way too far.
00:04:24.000 Catholicism believes two things as dogma, and most Catholics, if you ask them this, they don't even, some don't even know.
00:04:30.000 Number one, do you believe that Mary was sinless?
00:04:35.000 The Catholic Church does.
00:04:36.000 There is no biblical basis for this, the only of which would be that Mary was full of grace in the Annunciation of Mary in Luke 1.
00:04:44.000 That is a big stretch.
00:04:45.000 By the way, that was not even added into official Catholic dogma until the mid-1800s.
00:04:49.000 The second of which, which is called the Immaculate Conception, there's a second form of Catholic dogma that believes that Mary was assumed into heaven, that her physical body was actually the assumption of Mary was assumed into heaven.
00:05:03.000 Again, that is a pure faith claim.
00:05:05.000 It is not biblically supported at all whatsoever.
00:05:08.000 So I think that we as evangelicals can do a better job of remembering, studying, talking about, and pointing towards Mary, because she was a vessel chosen by God Almighty that brought our Lord into this world.
00:05:21.000 But I find, in fact, I find biblical evidence to the opposite.
00:05:25.000 I find biblical evidence to show that Mary was sinful like all the rest of us.
00:05:30.000 In fact, I see biblical evidence that it says very clearly, I think, in the book of Romans that no one is sinless except Christ Jesus.
00:05:37.000 The other one is more of a technical theological debate, which again, Catholics have a very firm belief on this, that Mary was not the mother of Jesus' half-brothers.
00:05:48.000 It's just not supported by scripture.
00:05:50.000 However, you could say that it was Joseph's other kids from another marriage.
00:05:54.000 Again, that is just a faith claim.
00:05:55.000 That would be, of course, James and Jude, the two half-brothers of Jesus.
00:06:00.000 This is not a major issue for me between me getting along with Catholics, me loving Catholics, me thinking that Catholics are doing a great job for the planet and for the world.
00:06:08.000 But I personally would not be able to enter into a faith that believes that anybody except Jesus Christ our Lord was without sin.
00:06:17.000 And that's my final comment on Mariology.
00:06:19.000 Happy to debate it with others if that ever surfaces.
00:06:24.000 So again, we're also here on the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:06:26.000 We're very ecumenical.
00:06:27.000 I just want to say again, Catholics are just fabulous In so many different ways.
00:06:31.000 They fight for life, they fight for marriage, they fight against transgenderism. 1.00
00:06:34.000 I have three major theological disagreements with Catholicism.
00:06:38.000 It's not a mystery.
00:06:39.000 I talk about it publicly.
00:06:40.000 The first of which would be the infallibility of the Pope and the whole process and the idea of the Vatican.
00:06:45.000 The second of which is Mariology.
00:06:47.000 And the third of which, which is just less, you know, less important, but it's transubstantiation.
00:06:53.000 I do not hold that view.
00:06:55.000 Thank you so much, my friend, for being a member.
00:06:57.000 Also, my friend Frank Turek says, Charlie, why would Mary call Jesus her Savior if she's sinless?
00:06:57.000 I appreciate it.
00:07:03.000 Josh, Josh, what is on your mind?
00:07:04.000 Members.charlikirk.com.
00:07:06.000 Josh, what is on your mind?
00:07:07.000 Hey, Charlie.
00:07:08.000 So my main question is, what do you think Gen Z is getting right that older generations might have missed?
00:07:14.000 Because you hear today, especially a lot of older generations are saying, oh, you know, you just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, you know, just work some more.
00:07:23.000 You can afford a house if you work.
00:07:26.000 But in reality, wages are way lower than what they should be.
00:07:29.000 Housing is way higher.
00:07:31.000 We have way more complex problems.
00:07:34.000 At least in my eyes, obviously they had complex problems in their own day.
00:07:37.000 But what do you think we're maybe getting right that they might not be giving us credit for?
00:07:43.000 Okay, so a phenomenal question.
00:07:45.000 So the first of which is this.
00:07:47.000 This is not the same economic order that existed in the 1980s.
00:07:50.000 It's not the same country that existed in the 1980s.
00:07:53.000 We are a cluttered country.
00:07:55.000 We are a overwhelmed country.
00:07:58.000 We are a country that is flooded with foreigners. 1.00
00:08:00.000 And secondly, the country is far more pricey.
00:08:03.000 It's far more expensive to exist and to have basic necessities than it was in the 1980s.
00:08:10.000 Many boomers, God bless them, this is not an accusation or criticism of boomers, had a much easier entry point into the American dream than this current generation.
00:08:21.000 It was easier to work hard and to get ahead, to save.
00:08:25.000 Going to university was cheaper.
00:08:27.000 There was far less competition for housing.
00:08:30.000 You were able to buy a home.
00:08:31.000 And also, the dating pool was easier.
00:08:34.000 It was not full of young women that are infected with the Jezebel spirit that had no interest in getting married or having children that wanted to be the boss of the relationship.
00:08:45.000 Young men seek to have some sort of relationship that is scriptural in nature. 0.98
00:08:50.000 More people were Christian.
00:08:53.000 Our nation is now more secular.
00:08:55.000 We had far more cultural cohesion.
00:08:57.000 To the more important question, though, about economics.
00:09:01.000 Interest rates is part of it.
00:09:03.000 A lot of people will say, well, I had a 9.5% mortgage rate on my first house.
00:09:06.000 Yes.
00:09:07.000 However, the down payment, I almost guarantee, was far more affordable than it was today.
00:09:13.000 Far more.
00:09:14.000 Now, not by percentage, but by percentage of asset price to your annualized income.
00:09:19.000 Asset price to annualized income has gone way out of control.
00:09:24.000 So for example, yes, you might have had to have 20% down in the 1980s or the 1990s, but the asset prices, for example, for like a single family home in Mesa, Arizona, has gone to like $800,000 to $900,000 and has priced people out of the housing market.
00:09:39.000 If we do not fix the fact that young people are permanent owners, if we do not fix the fact that young people are permanent renters, I should say, and not able to own, then we are going to have a deconstruction and a disordered economic reality that therefore invites political radicalism. 0.78
00:09:59.000 We could put this up, put 365 up on screen.
00:10:01.000 That's just median rent.
00:10:02.000 Look how much that's gone up since 1973.
00:10:04.000 Inflation adjusted, by the way.
00:10:06.000 Inflation adjusted.
00:10:08.000 The median rent in 1985 was $1,031.
00:10:12.000 It's now $1,400.
00:10:13.000 So it's $400 more expensive just to pay for median rent.
00:10:17.000 Inflation adjusted.
00:10:19.000 So I think older Americans need to understand there has been an economic abuse, generational theft of the next generation, and we need to fix it.
00:10:29.000 It's not about pointing fingers.
00:10:31.000 We should point fingers, honestly, at Larry Fink and BlackRock.
00:10:33.000 That's a separate issue.
00:10:34.000 Instead, we should take a step back, take a deep breath, fix this, build 10 million new homes, and deport 20 million illegal aliens. 0.98
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00:11:41.000 April, thank you for being a member.
00:11:42.000 What is on your mind?
00:11:43.000 Hey, Charlie, thanks for taking my call.
00:11:47.000 I have been in an argument with a friend of mine, and they are a junior CFO at a small hospital, Catholic hospital in Omaha, Nebraska.
00:12:01.000 And they are saying that due to the cuts that Trump has put in place as far as Medicaid and Medicare, that he's not going to have a job in a few years.
00:12:13.000 And I'm trying to explain that he's not cutting Medicare and Medicaid to the point where they're going to close hospitals.
00:12:23.000 They're cutting it for waste, fraud, and abuse.
00:12:26.000 And so that was one question.
00:12:30.000 And then the other one we argue about is that he is spending way more than he is bringing in.
00:12:36.000 And I'm trying to explain about the tariffs and, you know, he is bringing in money.
00:12:41.000 So either one of those questions, I just don't have a backing to that for my argument.
00:12:47.000 So the first of which, part of the Big Beautiful bill included $50 billion for rural hospitals.
00:12:52.000 So we don't know for certain if it's going to close.
00:12:55.000 My unfortunate, look, here's my tougher truth, though, is that some Things might close in this country and we might pay a political price for it because we are a debtor nation.
00:13:05.000 I know this might not be persuasive to your friend, but we are a nation that is $37 trillion in debt.
00:13:11.000 At some point, you have to start to make some decisions.
00:13:14.000 Now, does that mean that people will die?
00:13:16.000 Like, okay, look, some hospitals work phenomenal.
00:13:19.000 I think you would agree, some hospitals don't.
00:13:21.000 Some hospitals are very inefficient.
00:13:23.000 Some hospitals are duplicative.
00:13:25.000 Some hospitals could be better run by a private operation or a private-public partnership.
00:13:30.000 And so we don't want to see a mass closure of hospitals where people are without care.
00:13:34.000 At the same time, we need to try to tighten our belt.
00:13:41.000 So, and then as far as the more money he's bringing in, I'm not really sure what you mean.
00:13:45.000 You just mean that he thinks prices are going up.
00:13:47.000 I mean, look, for the time being, we're seeing a slight adjustment of prices.
00:13:50.000 We're going to bet on lowering interest rates, and we're going to bet on robust economic growth.
00:13:57.000 Those are our two big elements.
00:13:59.000 So I hope that's somewhat helpful.
00:14:01.000 But more than anything else, it is a very important conversation to have to make politics real.
00:14:08.000 But sometimes you can't sugarcoat it when we are a debtor nation.
00:14:12.000 Thank you so much.
00:14:13.000 Next question, Caleb.
00:14:14.000 Caleb, what is your question?
00:14:16.000 Thanks for being a member.
00:14:18.000 Hi, Charlie.
00:14:20.000 My question to you is about student loans.
00:14:23.000 So interesting how that has kind of already come up a little bit earlier.
00:14:29.000 But I think we can, I think Gen Z especially, one of its biggest weights and issues that's honestly the least talked about is, I think, the student loan and student loan payment problem.
00:14:44.000 Yes, we want a house, we want a marriage, but hard for us to even really think about these things with all of these barely manageable student loans.
00:14:54.000 What kind of policy decisions do you think can be made to bring relief without traveling down the road of student loan forgiveness?
00:15:03.000 What's that right mix between kind of accountability and maybe some mercy?
00:15:09.000 So it's a great question.
00:15:10.000 The first of which is we need to say that we have a moral obligation to the people that did not go to college that have been railroaded the last 30 to 40 years.
00:15:19.000 We call them the muscular class, the plumbers, the welders, electricians, you know, the people that work with their hands.
00:15:25.000 We should not punish them or penalize them because they did not go to college.
00:15:30.000 And that's essentially what it would be.
00:15:31.000 It would be a backwards, it would be a reverse punishment. 0.79
00:15:35.000 The Big Beautiful Bill includes a cap on loans, which is important.
00:15:38.000 For decades, we've subsidized, which we just subsidized demand.
00:15:42.000 We should wage war on universities. 0.93
00:15:44.000 A good legal change to fight for would be make colleges co-sign all student loans.
00:15:49.000 If a student can't repay colleges on the hook, that would fix so much bad behavior that exists today.
00:15:55.000 And honestly, we need to pick practical majors and we need to start going after these endowments.
00:16:00.000 They're sitting on $30, $40, $50 billion.
00:16:03.000 And it's unfair that so many students get hosed by that.
00:16:06.000 So I think there's a compassionate way to go forward with it.
00:16:09.000 I think there is a way that we could have mercy and reconciliation.
00:16:12.000 But at the same time, we're a country of personal responsibility, and we should be.
00:16:17.000 And the plumber should not have to pay higher amounts in taxes to bail out the person that studied North African lesbian poetry or queer psychosociology.
00:16:26.000 We need to shift the student loan concept from giving loans to people to get education to giving loans to schools who educate people.
00:16:33.000 They need more skin in the game. 0.97
00:16:35.000 Otherwise, there is no moral hazard whatsoever.
00:16:38.000 There's no incentive for them to have the best possible product.
00:16:42.000 Thank you so much for being a member.
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00:18:40.000 Jamie.
00:18:41.000 Jamie, what's on your mind?
00:18:42.000 Hi, Charlie.
00:18:43.000 Nice to speak with you.
00:18:44.000 It's my first member's call.
00:18:45.000 I was just going to come on the show and say thank you for the Student Action Summit, but I also wanted to know, after getting to meet you this weekend and things like that, with the debate on the final day, I was wondering who do you think won, Mr. Hammer or Mr. Smith?
00:18:57.000 It's a good question.
00:18:58.000 So I would say that rhetorically, Dave Smith, it's very obvious that he's a comedian, meaning that, and I don't mean that pejoratively, I mean it that he was very, very good rhetorically to be able to win over the audience.
00:19:10.000 Look, I obviously tilt more in Josh Hammer's direction, just philosophically.
00:19:14.000 I think they both made great points.
00:19:16.000 The audience, I would say, tilted towards thinking that Dave Smith won based on online polls and in-person polls.
00:19:22.000 But if I were to judge who gave probably the better rhetorical argument at times, probably Dave Smith.
00:19:28.000 I think Josh Hammer made some really Good points.
00:19:30.000 Now, people would say Dave had home field advantage, and part of the reason I wanted to do the debate is that 10 years ago, Dave Smith would not have had home field advantage at a conservative event like this.
00:19:41.000 It shows that the conservative movement is changing.
00:19:44.000 The conservative movement is metamorphosizing.
00:19:46.000 While all of that, I will say the biggest victory of the debate is being lost on people, that we all agreed that Jew hate, this anti-Semitic brain rot garbage, has no place in the conservative movement.
00:20:00.000 Period.
00:20:01.000 And honestly, I think also it was a wake-up call that there was also an agreement that we need to cut off aid to Israel.
00:20:07.000 In the words of Bibi Netanyahu, it's time to decouple the financial aid relationship between the United States and Israel.
00:20:13.000 I'm sympathetic to that belief.
00:20:15.000 That doesn't mean you're anti-Israel.
00:20:16.000 It means that you think that Israel should be able to be anti-fragile and be self-reliant and not reliant on a foreign power. 0.62
00:20:22.000 You could actually make an argument that it's in Israel's best interest to be able to cut off financial ties from the United States government in case there would ever be a future government that does not want to send them money.
00:20:31.000 I think that's a very big positive.
00:20:33.000 So honestly, I think the winner is the American people and the conservative movement.
00:20:37.000 And honestly, kudos to my two friends, Josh Hammer and Dave Smith, for doing it.
00:20:40.000 I encourage everyone to check out the debate.
00:20:42.000 We have it on all our social media channels.
00:20:44.000 People really enjoy it.
00:20:47.000 It's not healthy long term for one country to be financially reliant on another, period.
00:20:51.000 And you could say that as someone who loves Israel, and I do, and I think it's a great place.
00:20:55.000 Do I always agree with the government?
00:20:56.000 No.
00:20:57.000 Do I actually like what the government is doing all the time?
00:20:59.000 Do I think that the Israeli government needs to explain more of its actions at times?
00:20:59.000 No.
00:21:02.000 Yes.
00:21:03.000 I want Israel to succeed.
00:21:04.000 I want Israel to thrive.
00:21:05.000 And I do not put up with, I do not tolerate, I will not, I will not, let's just say, put any of my platform towards anyone that exercises Jew hate or the marginalization of the Jewish people.
00:21:19.000 Okay, next question.
00:21:21.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:21:22.000 So let's go to Matt.
00:21:22.000 Yep.
00:21:24.000 Matt is what, what is on your mind, members.charliekirk.com.
00:21:27.000 Matt, what is on your mind?
00:21:28.000 Hey, Charlie, how are you?
00:21:29.000 Thanks for everything you do, as always.
00:21:31.000 Just checking back in now that Tillis has officially punched out of North Carolina or re-elect, which I think is a good thing for us.
00:21:39.000 And we got past his issues to get the bill passed.
00:21:44.000 But just checking in, Senate's obviously really important.
00:21:46.000 Georgia, North Carolina, are you hearing anything on candidates?
00:21:51.000 Our bench is kind of weak in Georgia, a little better in North Carolina.
00:21:54.000 Seeing what you're hearing out there.
00:21:56.000 So wait.
00:21:57.000 You're asking what is the latest for the North Carolina Senate race, basically?
00:22:02.000 Yeah, and Georgia as well, please.
00:22:04.000 So we don't know.
00:22:05.000 By the way, I've been so non-politically engaged, but I mean by races, the last couple of last month and a half, we've been worried about Iran.
00:22:14.000 We've been worried about Amnesty.
00:22:15.000 You know, we've been worried about all this stuff.
00:22:16.000 Do you have a preferred candidate?
00:22:18.000 What are you hearing in the grassroots?
00:22:20.000 I'm going to take a note of this.
00:22:21.000 Sure.
00:22:22.000 Well, Georgia, I said it should have been Kemp all along, though I sort of think that he and Sununu up in New Hampshire are sort of kind of trying to plot the leaders of the post-Trump MAGA movement is sort of my thought there.
00:22:32.000 But that's secondary.
00:22:34.000 Our bench in Georgia is very light.
00:22:36.000 I mean, there's no question about it.
00:22:38.000 I don't have a lot.
00:22:38.000 I worked on this campaign in Georgia in 2018, but he's kind of betrayed us over time.
00:22:43.000 So I don't have much on Georgia.
00:22:44.000 Our bench is crap.
00:22:45.000 But North Carolina, people are saying Pat Harrigan, I know people have, you know, he's in the state legislature and he's MAGA.
00:22:51.000 He'd be a good pickup.
00:22:52.000 And then obviously, you know, Laura and Michael Watley, both in North Carolina.
00:22:57.000 I like Michael Watley.
00:22:58.000 I do.
00:22:58.000 Look, we have to win both of them.
00:23:00.000 Here's my bigger concern, my friend.
00:23:02.000 How old are you?
00:23:03.000 34.
00:23:04.000 34.
00:23:05.000 So you're not too much older than I am.
00:23:06.000 Are you worried the midterms might be impacted if we do not clean up this Epstein situation and get clarity on this?
00:23:14.000 Do you see it amongst people of your generation, young men, politically engaged, disengaged?
00:23:18.000 Tell me what you're hearing about that.
00:23:20.000 Great question.
00:23:20.000 Sure.
00:23:21.000 And personally, I mean, it's not something that I care that much about.
00:23:25.000 I mean, I think we all understand that there's a lot of dark stuff that goes on in the world that helps push things around.
00:23:30.000 It is important.
00:23:31.000 But if you were to release all that, what does that really lead to?
00:23:35.000 Because I think he's gone.
00:23:36.000 A lot of the other guys who may or may not have been involved are not around potentially.
00:23:41.000 And then you think about how many folks are going to be suing the government immediately because, oh, I was not involved.
00:23:46.000 This list has defamed me.
00:23:48.000 But just to your point about how much do I hear about it, I mean, not really.
00:23:51.000 I mean, it's something, but I think it seems to be like just a portion of the online kind of portion of our movement.
00:23:58.000 But it's not something I really care that much about and none of my friends really care that much about.
00:24:02.000 That's refreshing to hear.
00:24:05.000 It's interesting.
00:24:06.000 We have a million things to focus on right now.
00:24:08.000 Let's not get derailed.
00:24:10.000 We have to execute.
00:24:11.000 Look, and I will say though, but you can also see people online that really do care a lot about this.
00:24:16.000 So I think I will say it's very interesting.
00:24:18.000 I had a phone call with a, it was such, it was one of my favorite phone calls of the week.
00:24:21.000 Really a great guy.
00:24:23.000 And I said, hey, you know, what do you think?
00:24:25.000 He's a business guy, young, really into crypto, well-respected.
00:24:29.000 And I was going for one of my walks.
00:24:31.000 I said, hey, what do you think of this Epstein stuff?
00:24:33.000 And he said, what's going on with the Epstein stuff?
00:24:36.000 I said, oh, I want your life.
00:24:38.000 I said, whatever life you're living.
00:24:40.000 He's like, I saw a meme about Kevin Spacey wanting the Epstein stuff out.
00:24:43.000 Is that what you mean?
00:24:45.000 So it's important, everybody, to kind of take a step back.
00:24:47.000 I'm not saying that no one cares about it.
00:24:48.000 I'm not saying, but there are gradations of engagement.
00:24:52.000 And remember, we are in the summer of 2025.
00:24:56.000 People are kind of politics burned and politics fatigued.
00:24:59.000 I am worried it's starting to seep in to lower propensity voters.
00:25:03.000 And it's seeping into kind of the lower, not information, I hate that, but lower prop.
00:25:08.000 So many people are chronically online.
00:25:10.000 Some people say, oh, only chronically online people care about it.
00:25:10.000 And I disagree.
00:25:13.000 That's not correct.
00:25:15.000 But I will say, though, that if the more online you are, the more you definitely care about this.
00:25:20.000 Thank you, my friend, for being a website.
00:25:22.000 That's one more thing.
00:25:23.000 So I'm sorry.
00:25:24.000 I think we also need to think about messaging wise that separating what we say, the Epstein situation.
00:25:29.000 I mean, obviously child trafficking and all that is incredibly wrong.
00:25:33.000 And by the way, this DOJ has been arresting hundreds, if not thousands of people in that, you know, doing that bad stuff.
00:25:38.000 Boom.
00:25:39.000 And so that's not being slowed down at all.
00:25:41.000 But we need to realize Epstein is his own guy.
00:25:43.000 He had some weird connections.
00:25:44.000 And we'll get to that in time.
00:25:45.000 But we're still arresting child predators every single day.
00:25:48.000 And that's a focus of the DOJ.
00:25:50.000 And we need to be able to separate those two things.
00:25:52.000 Well said, my friend.
00:25:53.000 Excellent wisdom.
00:25:54.000 I love our members.
00:25:55.000 Members.charliekirk.com.
00:25:56.000 Thank you.
00:25:57.000 Taylor, what is on your mind?
00:25:58.000 Members.charliekirk.com.
00:26:01.000 Hi, Charlie.
00:26:02.000 I'm a 28-year-old daughter of Christ.
00:26:04.000 I have been in a relationship for about a year and a half with my boyfriend, who's just one year younger than me.
00:26:10.000 And we're going through a type of premarital counseling, more so related to how to move into marriage and raise a family if my boyfriend feels a calling to go into the military.
00:26:21.000 The commitment requirement, potential long distance and separation from my future husband during times of struggle or significant life milestones like when I'm nine months pregnant really scares me.
00:26:33.000 So my question for you is, what would be your best advice for us if we feel like we're ready to take the next step of the covenant of marriage together?
00:26:43.000 And how do you prioritize or balance individualistic callings with your spouse or family needs?
00:26:50.000 So that is a phenomenal question.
00:26:52.000 The first thing that you must understand, and your husband has to understand this, is you will both be serving.
00:26:57.000 He will be serving on the front lines of the U.S. military, but it's very hard on military spouses as well.
00:27:03.000 Very, very hard.
00:27:04.000 So if you, going into this covenant, have any uneasiness about it, he needs to make a decision whether he's going to go through with that and whether, because he should never, he should not go into that unless you fully bless it.
00:27:17.000 Number two, let me ask you, have you had an opportunity to sit down with military wives that have done this successfully?
00:27:24.000 I have not.
00:27:25.000 Okay, you absolutely need to do that.
00:27:27.000 So I have one in particular that lives in Arizona.
00:27:30.000 She's amazing.
00:27:31.000 Her name is Rachel.
00:27:33.000 She has six kids, homeschooled all of them.
00:27:35.000 Her husband is actually serving in the U.S. government now, and he was deployed for well over a decade of them raising their kids, and they're 18 years old.
00:27:43.000 They'll talk about how hard it was, how stressful it was, how difficult it was.
00:27:47.000 Let me ask you another question.
00:27:49.000 In your current configuration, do you have a mom or does he have a parent that would be very involved in raising and helping the kids?
00:27:56.000 They would be willing to, yes, if we were located in that area.
00:28:00.000 Okay, that's very important.
00:28:01.000 That would be my other piece of advice, which is that it's very, very hard to raise kids alone.
00:28:06.000 In fact, it's not even good to raise kids solo alone.
00:28:09.000 So if your husband is out serving our beautiful nation, which is what we need and what our country demands and deserves, then you absolutely need to try to find some way to be close to family that can support you and that can assist you.
00:28:23.000 So let's just kind of go through what I just said as a recap.
00:28:26.000 Number one, you have to be in full agreement and full harmony.
00:28:28.000 But number two, I'm going to connect you.
00:28:30.000 Daisy, can you make sure we connect?
00:28:31.000 I'll put it together.
00:28:33.000 Talk to military wives that have done this successfully. 0.54
00:28:37.000 And the third of which is if you end up making this step, because you'll both be serving in some capacity, that you are near a family support network that is able to have your back.
00:28:49.000 Okay.
00:28:50.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:28:51.000 Thank you for being a member.
00:28:51.000 God bless you.
00:28:52.000 It means a lot.
00:28:56.000 Right now, over 7.5 million businesses in America are thriving on TikTok.
00:29:00.000 We certainly are.
00:29:01.000 We're reaching the next generation rather successfully there.
00:29:04.000 Businesses that employ more than 28 million people.
00:29:07.000 But behind the stats, it's the stories that really matter.
00:29:10.000 Like Dan O. Seasoning from Kentucky, who used TikTok to reach new customers and grow from a one-man show to a team of 45.
00:29:17.000 Or Arizona Taco King in Arizona, able to employ over 28 people and pay them well, thanks to the foot traffic TikTok brings in.
00:29:24.000 Or She Mechanic in Georgia, who expanded her auto shop and hired new employees with the support she found on TikTok.
00:29:31.000 Their success means jobs, support for families, and stronger local communities because when small businesses thrive on TikTok, so do the communities around them.
00:29:39.000 Learn more about TikTok's contribution to the U.S. economy at TikTokEconomicImpact.com.
00:29:44.000 That is TikTokEconomicImpact.com.
00:29:50.000 Amy says, I could not have handled the Mary topic more delicately.
00:29:55.000 Charlie, you are right, and Catholics are wrong about Mary. 1.00
00:29:58.000 Question, question, question.
00:29:59.000 That is an arrogant statement because it's not in the Bible.
00:30:02.000 There's more to faith than what is in the Bible.
00:30:03.000 Wow, just wow.
00:30:05.000 Okay, yes, Protestants do exist in this world, Amy.
00:30:07.000 And I think I was pretty fair and pretty clear about it.
00:30:10.000 Amazing.
00:30:12.000 People are fired up today.
00:30:13.000 Choo-Choo, what is on your mind? 0.98
00:30:15.000 Members.charlikirk.com.
00:30:17.000 How are you, Charlie?
00:30:18.000 I am talking again.
00:30:22.000 So, yeah, so I like to talk about immigration monetary.
00:30:22.000 Good.
00:30:27.000 So last time I talked about my immigration status too, right?
00:30:31.000 I'm a naturalized U.S. citizen.
00:30:33.000 I like this country, especially the values.
00:30:37.000 And I see this Minneapolis mayorship and also the New York mayorship.
00:30:44.000 So I heard him say, you know, back home, when we go back home.
00:30:48.000 So this guy was born and raised here.
00:30:50.000 I am not even born here.
00:30:52.000 I don't even say back home when I talk about Ethiopia, right?
00:30:56.000 So what should we do?
00:30:58.000 I'm asking you and also the viewers, like, is there any policy actions that we met in America to incentivize people to assimilate, to integrate, so that, you know, so we can build this country?
00:31:13.000 Because if we have these blocks of people who still try to live in nostalgia, whatever the country they left and come in here and they try to change the values of this country, then at some point this country will be destroyed.
00:31:28.000 I'm telling you.
00:31:29.000 Choo-choo, you're right. 1.00
00:31:31.000 Choo Choo, you got a lot of passion.
00:31:32.000 I totally agree.
00:31:33.000 It's time for an immigration moratorium. 1.00
00:31:34.000 We've said it before.
00:31:35.000 I'll say it again.
00:31:36.000 And look, you have this mayoral candidate, Omar Fetta.
00:31:39.000 I wish we had more people like you come to this country.
00:31:40.000 The sad truth is we don't.
00:31:42.000 He said, quote, protecting all of our communities from Donald Trump means not letting the Minneapolis Police Department interact with ICE.
00:31:48.000 This is the Mamdani Minneapolis guy, whether it's for an immigration raid or not.
00:31:52.000 I totally agree, ChooChu. 1.00
00:31:53.000 We got to get to another member.
00:31:55.000 Immigration without assimilation is an invasion. 1.00
00:31:59.000 Commit it to memory, everybody.
00:32:01.000 Write it down.
00:32:01.000 Put it on a bumper sticker.
00:32:03.000 Immigration without assimilation is an invasion. 1.00
00:32:07.000 Thank you, ChooChu. 0.99
00:32:08.000 Laura, you'll be the last question today.
00:32:08.000 God bless.
00:32:10.000 What is on your mind?
00:32:11.000 Hi, Charlie.
00:32:12.000 Yes.
00:32:13.000 Hi, Charlie.
00:32:13.000 I'm so excited to talk to you.
00:32:15.000 I'm great.
00:32:15.000 I'm calling you from the great state of North Dakota, our vice president.
00:32:19.000 I love North Dakota.
00:32:20.000 Great people.
00:32:22.000 We're live on North Dakota radio.
00:32:24.000 I love the North Dakota Patriots.
00:32:25.000 Great folks.
00:32:26.000 Yeah, same.
00:32:27.000 So anyway, last year we were fortunate to attend Your America Fest in Phoenix because we are also snowbirds.
00:32:34.000 Because 38 below is not fun here.
00:32:37.000 And I'm telling you, Charlie, I brought my son who's 25, my husband and I. So we were the older generation so completely overwhelmed with that event.
00:32:48.000 Learned so much, danced, cried, laughed, prayed the Lord's prayer with 20,000 people.
00:32:56.000 Amazing.
00:32:58.000 We just got an email that the tickets are on sale again.
00:33:01.000 Yep, that's right.
00:33:02.000 And my sons, two of my sons and my daughter-in-law both said to us at Christmastime, you guys need to be done going to these big events.
00:33:12.000 It's not safe for you.
00:33:13.000 We do not want you to go anymore.
00:33:16.000 These are the same kids that would kind of not really taunt us, but like, come on, you guys, you're just ridiculous with when we would talk political things.
00:33:24.000 Now they're like, why you, you know, you're not going again.
00:33:29.000 What do you, what do you say about it?
00:33:30.000 Really quick.
00:33:31.000 We have 30 seconds.
00:33:31.000 They don't want you to go because it's not, you're physically safe or what do they mean?
00:33:35.000 Yeah, they're worried that some lunatic's going to do something.
00:33:38.000 Oh, I mean, if that's your belief, then you can never go to a North Dakota State football game.
00:33:42.000 Look, the idea is if you're afraid of leaving your home because something's going to happen to you, we have great security all the time.
00:33:50.000 But look, life is a risky endeavor.
00:33:52.000 It could be a dangerous place, but never allow the threat of somebody doing something bad to prevent you from going to a place where we rejoice Jesus and celebrate the country.
00:34:01.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:02.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.