Join us as we debate the question: Is Mary sinless? Today's guest is a member of Turning Point USA, an organization dedicated to fighting for freedom on college campuses across the country. He has a unique perspective on the question.
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00:02:29.000Their obsession with Mary is completely unbiblical.
00:02:32.000I used to go to the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, California, once in a while, and then they were sold to the Catholic Church.
00:02:38.000And in the prayer room I used to use, they now have a crystal sculpture of Mother Mary at the center of the prayer room where you can kneel and pray to Mary.
00:02:46.000Plus a 20-foot-tall statue of Mary in the courtyard titled Mary, Queen of Heaven.
00:02:51.000I don't know exactly where this Mariology comes from, but obviously Jesus didn't believe in it.
00:02:56.000All throughout the Gospels, he never mentions it.
00:03:00.000I was wondering, could it be, since you and Michael Knowles both have a big following, that you could do a one-hour debate about Catholic versus Protestant?
00:04:45.000By the way, that was not even added into official Catholic dogma until the mid-1800s.
00:04:49.000The second of which, which is called the Immaculate Conception, there's a second form of Catholic dogma that believes that Mary was assumed into heaven, that her physical body was actually the assumption of Mary was assumed into heaven.
00:05:05.000It is not biblically supported at all whatsoever.
00:05:08.000So I think that we as evangelicals can do a better job of remembering, studying, talking about, and pointing towards Mary, because she was a vessel chosen by God Almighty that brought our Lord into this world.
00:05:21.000But I find, in fact, I find biblical evidence to the opposite.
00:05:25.000I find biblical evidence to show that Mary was sinful like all the rest of us.
00:05:30.000In fact, I see biblical evidence that it says very clearly, I think, in the book of Romans that no one is sinless except Christ Jesus.
00:05:37.000The other one is more of a technical theological debate, which again, Catholics have a very firm belief on this, that Mary was not the mother of Jesus' half-brothers.
00:05:55.000That would be, of course, James and Jude, the two half-brothers of Jesus.
00:06:00.000This is not a major issue for me between me getting along with Catholics, me loving Catholics, me thinking that Catholics are doing a great job for the planet and for the world.
00:06:08.000But I personally would not be able to enter into a faith that believes that anybody except Jesus Christ our Lord was without sin.
00:06:17.000And that's my final comment on Mariology.
00:06:19.000Happy to debate it with others if that ever surfaces.
00:06:24.000So again, we're also here on the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:07:08.000So my main question is, what do you think Gen Z is getting right that older generations might have missed?
00:07:14.000Because you hear today, especially a lot of older generations are saying, oh, you know, you just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, you know, just work some more.
00:07:58.000We are a country that is flooded with foreigners.
00:08:00.000And secondly, the country is far more pricey.
00:08:03.000It's far more expensive to exist and to have basic necessities than it was in the 1980s.
00:08:10.000Many boomers, God bless them, this is not an accusation or criticism of boomers, had a much easier entry point into the American dream than this current generation.
00:08:21.000It was easier to work hard and to get ahead, to save.
00:08:34.000It was not full of young women that are infected with the Jezebel spirit that had no interest in getting married or having children that wanted to be the boss of the relationship.
00:08:45.000Young men seek to have some sort of relationship that is scriptural in nature.
00:09:14.000Now, not by percentage, but by percentage of asset price to your annualized income.
00:09:19.000Asset price to annualized income has gone way out of control.
00:09:24.000So for example, yes, you might have had to have 20% down in the 1980s or the 1990s, but the asset prices, for example, for like a single family home in Mesa, Arizona, has gone to like $800,000 to $900,000 and has priced people out of the housing market.
00:09:39.000If we do not fix the fact that young people are permanent owners, if we do not fix the fact that young people are permanent renters, I should say, and not able to own, then we are going to have a deconstruction and a disordered economic reality that therefore invites political radicalism.
00:09:59.000We could put this up, put 365 up on screen.
00:10:19.000So I think older Americans need to understand there has been an economic abuse, generational theft of the next generation, and we need to fix it.
00:11:43.000Hey, Charlie, thanks for taking my call.
00:11:47.000I have been in an argument with a friend of mine, and they are a junior CFO at a small hospital, Catholic hospital in Omaha, Nebraska.
00:12:01.000And they are saying that due to the cuts that Trump has put in place as far as Medicaid and Medicare, that he's not going to have a job in a few years.
00:12:13.000And I'm trying to explain that he's not cutting Medicare and Medicaid to the point where they're going to close hospitals.
00:12:23.000They're cutting it for waste, fraud, and abuse.
00:12:30.000And then the other one we argue about is that he is spending way more than he is bringing in.
00:12:36.000And I'm trying to explain about the tariffs and, you know, he is bringing in money.
00:12:41.000So either one of those questions, I just don't have a backing to that for my argument.
00:12:47.000So the first of which, part of the Big Beautiful bill included $50 billion for rural hospitals.
00:12:52.000So we don't know for certain if it's going to close.
00:12:55.000My unfortunate, look, here's my tougher truth, though, is that some Things might close in this country and we might pay a political price for it because we are a debtor nation.
00:13:05.000I know this might not be persuasive to your friend, but we are a nation that is $37 trillion in debt.
00:13:11.000At some point, you have to start to make some decisions.
00:13:14.000Now, does that mean that people will die?
00:13:16.000Like, okay, look, some hospitals work phenomenal.
00:13:19.000I think you would agree, some hospitals don't.
00:14:20.000My question to you is about student loans.
00:14:23.000So interesting how that has kind of already come up a little bit earlier.
00:14:29.000But I think we can, I think Gen Z especially, one of its biggest weights and issues that's honestly the least talked about is, I think, the student loan and student loan payment problem.
00:14:44.000Yes, we want a house, we want a marriage, but hard for us to even really think about these things with all of these barely manageable student loans.
00:14:54.000What kind of policy decisions do you think can be made to bring relief without traveling down the road of student loan forgiveness?
00:15:03.000What's that right mix between kind of accountability and maybe some mercy?
00:15:10.000The first of which is we need to say that we have a moral obligation to the people that did not go to college that have been railroaded the last 30 to 40 years.
00:15:19.000We call them the muscular class, the plumbers, the welders, electricians, you know, the people that work with their hands.
00:15:25.000We should not punish them or penalize them because they did not go to college.
00:15:30.000And that's essentially what it would be.
00:15:31.000It would be a backwards, it would be a reverse punishment.
00:15:35.000The Big Beautiful Bill includes a cap on loans, which is important.
00:15:38.000For decades, we've subsidized, which we just subsidized demand.
00:15:44.000A good legal change to fight for would be make colleges co-sign all student loans.
00:15:49.000If a student can't repay colleges on the hook, that would fix so much bad behavior that exists today.
00:15:55.000And honestly, we need to pick practical majors and we need to start going after these endowments.
00:16:00.000They're sitting on $30, $40, $50 billion.
00:16:03.000And it's unfair that so many students get hosed by that.
00:16:06.000So I think there's a compassionate way to go forward with it.
00:16:09.000I think there is a way that we could have mercy and reconciliation.
00:16:12.000But at the same time, we're a country of personal responsibility, and we should be.
00:16:17.000And the plumber should not have to pay higher amounts in taxes to bail out the person that studied North African lesbian poetry or queer psychosociology.
00:16:26.000We need to shift the student loan concept from giving loans to people to get education to giving loans to schools who educate people.
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00:18:45.000I was just going to come on the show and say thank you for the Student Action Summit, but I also wanted to know, after getting to meet you this weekend and things like that, with the debate on the final day, I was wondering who do you think won, Mr. Hammer or Mr. Smith?
00:18:58.000So I would say that rhetorically, Dave Smith, it's very obvious that he's a comedian, meaning that, and I don't mean that pejoratively, I mean it that he was very, very good rhetorically to be able to win over the audience.
00:19:10.000Look, I obviously tilt more in Josh Hammer's direction, just philosophically.
00:19:16.000The audience, I would say, tilted towards thinking that Dave Smith won based on online polls and in-person polls.
00:19:22.000But if I were to judge who gave probably the better rhetorical argument at times, probably Dave Smith.
00:19:28.000I think Josh Hammer made some really Good points.
00:19:30.000Now, people would say Dave had home field advantage, and part of the reason I wanted to do the debate is that 10 years ago, Dave Smith would not have had home field advantage at a conservative event like this.
00:19:41.000It shows that the conservative movement is changing.
00:19:44.000The conservative movement is metamorphosizing.
00:19:46.000While all of that, I will say the biggest victory of the debate is being lost on people, that we all agreed that Jew hate, this anti-Semitic brain rot garbage, has no place in the conservative movement.
00:20:16.000It means that you think that Israel should be able to be anti-fragile and be self-reliant and not reliant on a foreign power.
00:20:22.000You could actually make an argument that it's in Israel's best interest to be able to cut off financial ties from the United States government in case there would ever be a future government that does not want to send them money.
00:21:05.000And I do not put up with, I do not tolerate, I will not, I will not, let's just say, put any of my platform towards anyone that exercises Jew hate or the marginalization of the Jewish people.
00:22:05.000By the way, I've been so non-politically engaged, but I mean by races, the last couple of last month and a half, we've been worried about Iran.
00:22:22.000Well, Georgia, I said it should have been Kemp all along, though I sort of think that he and Sununu up in New Hampshire are sort of kind of trying to plot the leaders of the post-Trump MAGA movement is sort of my thought there.
00:26:04.000I have been in a relationship for about a year and a half with my boyfriend, who's just one year younger than me.
00:26:10.000And we're going through a type of premarital counseling, more so related to how to move into marriage and raise a family if my boyfriend feels a calling to go into the military.
00:26:21.000The commitment requirement, potential long distance and separation from my future husband during times of struggle or significant life milestones like when I'm nine months pregnant really scares me.
00:26:33.000So my question for you is, what would be your best advice for us if we feel like we're ready to take the next step of the covenant of marriage together?
00:26:43.000And how do you prioritize or balance individualistic callings with your spouse or family needs?
00:27:04.000So if you, going into this covenant, have any uneasiness about it, he needs to make a decision whether he's going to go through with that and whether, because he should never, he should not go into that unless you fully bless it.
00:27:17.000Number two, let me ask you, have you had an opportunity to sit down with military wives that have done this successfully?
00:27:33.000She has six kids, homeschooled all of them.
00:27:35.000Her husband is actually serving in the U.S. government now, and he was deployed for well over a decade of them raising their kids, and they're 18 years old.
00:27:43.000They'll talk about how hard it was, how stressful it was, how difficult it was.
00:28:01.000That would be my other piece of advice, which is that it's very, very hard to raise kids alone.
00:28:06.000In fact, it's not even good to raise kids solo alone.
00:28:09.000So if your husband is out serving our beautiful nation, which is what we need and what our country demands and deserves, then you absolutely need to try to find some way to be close to family that can support you and that can assist you.
00:28:23.000So let's just kind of go through what I just said as a recap.
00:28:26.000Number one, you have to be in full agreement and full harmony.
00:28:28.000But number two, I'm going to connect you.
00:28:33.000Talk to military wives that have done this successfully.
00:28:37.000And the third of which is if you end up making this step, because you'll both be serving in some capacity, that you are near a family support network that is able to have your back.
00:29:01.000We're reaching the next generation rather successfully there.
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00:30:58.000I'm asking you and also the viewers, like, is there any policy actions that we met in America to incentivize people to assimilate, to integrate, so that, you know, so we can build this country?
00:31:13.000Because if we have these blocks of people who still try to live in nostalgia, whatever the country they left and come in here and they try to change the values of this country, then at some point this country will be destroyed.
00:32:37.000And I'm telling you, Charlie, I brought my son who's 25, my husband and I. So we were the older generation so completely overwhelmed with that event.
00:32:48.000Learned so much, danced, cried, laughed, prayed the Lord's prayer with 20,000 people.
00:33:16.000These are the same kids that would kind of not really taunt us, but like, come on, you guys, you're just ridiculous with when we would talk political things.
00:33:24.000Now they're like, why you, you know, you're not going again.
00:33:29.000What do you, what do you say about it?
00:33:52.000It could be a dangerous place, but never allow the threat of somebody doing something bad to prevent you from going to a place where we rejoice Jesus and celebrate the country.
00:34:01.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:02.000Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:04.000Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.