The Charlie Kirk Show - August 24, 2020


Ask Charlie Anything 31: The Alternate 2021, What’s True About 98.6% of Abortions, Conservatives and Special Needs, Edmund Burke Vs. Thomas Paine and MORE


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In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk takes your questions and answers them. Today's question: How will conservatives survive a Biden-Harris presidency if Donald Trump is not re-elected?

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00:00:08.000 Hey, everybody, it's Monday.
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00:00:41.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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00:01:14.000 Hey, everybody.
00:01:15.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:17.000 Happy Monday.
00:01:18.000 We hope you had a great weekend.
00:01:19.000 And a big week is in store right now.
00:01:21.000 My goodness, the Republican National Convention is up right now.
00:01:25.000 This week, last week was the Democrat National Convention, and we went night by night and dissected what the Democrats did correctly and what I think they did incorrectly and some missed opportunities by them.
00:01:37.000 And if you guys have questions, of course, you guys can always email us directly.
00:01:40.000 It actually goes straight to me, freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:01:44.000 And it's Monday, which means I am taking your questions.
00:01:47.000 And if I select your question, you guys win a signed copy of the New York Times bestseller, The MAGA Doctrine.
00:01:55.000 Let's start with Alicia.
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00:02:00.000 Hi, Charlie.
00:02:00.000 Okay.
00:02:01.000 Alicia here.
00:02:01.000 How will conservatives survive a Biden-Harris presidency if Trump is not re-elected?
00:02:06.000 I honestly fear for my freedom and liberty and being able to make common sense decisions for my family.
00:02:12.000 Thanks.
00:02:13.000 Look, you should fear if Donald Trump loses.
00:02:16.000 It should really make you operate with a sense of urgency.
00:02:19.000 If President Trump loses this election, they will stuff the courts and they will come after everyone with bitter revenge.
00:02:26.000 They will make anyone that sided with Donald Trump on any sort of issue, political or otherwise, pay a very steep price.
00:02:32.000 And myself included, I'm sure I'm on some sort of list that if Biden takes over the White House, they will come after whatever that I'm involved in very quickly and very harshly.
00:02:42.000 And I'm not saying that as an alarmist.
00:02:44.000 It's just honest that the Democrats, they play revenge-driven politics.
00:02:50.000 They are driven by bitterness and arrogance and deceitfulness, and they consider people like myself to be a problem.
00:02:56.000 And so that's the first thing, is that if you actually want to see a society where justice is impartial and where you have a stable and peaceable life that you can pursue, then Donald Trump is the only option.
00:03:08.000 But Joe Biden, he will make the appearance that things are stable and peaceful.
00:03:12.000 And similar to how Joseph Stalin went after his political opponents, or similar to how Mao Sedong in China went after people that he disagreed with, the Democrats have that same sort of collective impulse, the collectivist impulse is probably a better way to say it, to use state power to try to go after their dissidents.
00:03:28.000 And Barack Obama did this all throughout his presidency.
00:03:31.000 He weaponized the Internal Revenue Service to go after conservative and Tea Party and Christian groups using the then acting IRS commissioner Lois Lerner.
00:03:40.000 For those of you that are new listeners to the Charlie Kirk Show, you might be 14, 15, or 16 years old, you probably don't remember the Obama IRS targeting scandal.
00:03:49.000 The Obama-IRS targeting scandal was one of the most egregious abuses of government power in the modern era, far worse than Watergate, that never actually got the justice that it deserved.
00:04:00.000 The people that used the Internal Revenue Service to audit Tea Party groups and to target Christian conservatives were never held account.
00:04:08.000 The main individual that was responsible for it was a woman by the name of Lois Lerner.
00:04:13.000 You might remember that name, Lois Lerner. 0.98
00:04:15.000 She was put on temporary leave.
00:04:17.000 But as of today, Lois Lerner is still receiving her full pension and benefits from the United States government.
00:04:23.000 Senior officials for the Obama administration visited the IRS division at the U.S. Treasury Department hundreds of times after Republicans in Congress looked into this.
00:04:33.000 And it was shown after many different subpoenas and hearings that the IRS absolutely did go after Tea Party and conservative groups to punish them, to make it punitive.
00:04:44.000 Joe Biden helped oversee this entire operation, and this was Chicago thug-style tactics done by the left when Obama was president.
00:04:51.000 And a lot of you don't even remember it.
00:04:53.000 A lot of you probably never even heard about it because the activist media intentionally did not tell you about it.
00:04:59.000 And you can do your own research yourself.
00:05:00.000 Just look up IRS targeting, and it's an IRS targeting controversy.
00:05:04.000 There's tons of facts on the internet about it.
00:05:07.000 And look, in January of 2014, James Comey famously said that an investigation said there was no evidence warranting the filing of federal criminal charges and connecting with the controversy.
00:05:18.000 But because we didn't stop Obama during the IRS scandal, Obama then just used the same sort of thuggery tactics against Donald Trump.
00:05:25.000 You see, when you do not stop these people, they then just go a level deeper and they continue towards their revenge campaign.
00:05:32.000 And still, to this day, there are very few to any sort of criminal indictments up against the spying on Donald Trump when Donald Trump's campaign was spied on and was targeted by the Obama administration.
00:05:44.000 In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department Inspector General found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS went after conservative keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny.
00:05:59.000 That's right.
00:06:00.000 This is according to in targeting political groups, IRS crossed party lines.
00:06:05.000 New York Times, October 5th, 2017.
00:06:07.000 You can check it out yourself.
00:06:09.000 So this is not anything that is unfounded.
00:06:11.000 This is well documented that Barack Obama, especially during the latter parts of his first term, went after groups that had, quote, Tea Party, Patriots, 9-12 project.
00:06:22.000 The citation for this is by Richard Rubin and Julie Bikowitz.
00:06:26.000 IRS looks at Freedom Groups, Bloomberg News, December 7th, 2013.
00:06:32.000 So you get the theme here.
00:06:33.000 This was a real thing.
00:06:34.000 And so when Joe Biden wins, that's one of the first things he's going to do, is he's going to purge the landscape of anyone and everyone that was near Donald Trump.
00:06:44.000 And so if you're listening to this and you're a Trump supporter vocally, maybe they'll audit you.
00:06:48.000 Maybe they'll come after your family.
00:06:49.000 Maybe they'll come after your church if they've been outspoken.
00:06:51.000 That's not the only thing that will happen if Donald Trump loses.
00:06:53.000 Joe Biden will get us back in the Iranian deal. 0.91
00:06:55.000 So the evil Iranian mullahs will have access to hundreds of billions of dollars in sanction relief and probably another couple billion dollars in cash. 0.89
00:07:02.000 Israel will then be a target in the Middle East. 0.65
00:07:05.000 The embassy will probably be closed in Jerusalem.
00:07:07.000 The Golan Heights will be no longer recognized by the United States.
00:07:10.000 The justices that will be put on the Supreme Court will be younger, more radical versions of Ruth Bader Ginsburg or Justice Sotomayor or Justice Kagan.
00:07:21.000 And the radicalism will continue from there.
00:07:24.000 Joe Biden will make people that are in the same mold as Elizabeth Warren be head of the Treasury Department. 0.62
00:07:31.000 And our government will be taken over by Bolshevik radicals and revolutionaries while a mentally declining individual will barely realize the weight of the office he is in and he will hand over all the power to the most sinister elements of our society.
00:07:45.000 So yeah, you should be really worried about it. 0.85
00:07:47.000 However, do I think it'll be the end of America?
00:07:49.000 Maybe.
00:07:50.000 Maybe not.
00:07:51.000 It's hard to say.
00:07:52.000 I mean, some people say, oh, America will survive it.
00:07:54.000 I don't know that.
00:07:55.000 But it's actually completely irrelevant.
00:07:58.000 It's irrelevant as to whether we are going to fight if Trump loses post-November.
00:08:02.000 Now, I actually think Trump is on pace to win.
00:08:04.000 I think Trump is on pace if he has a great convention week, which I believe he will.
00:08:08.000 If Trump continues to campaign hard, if Trump continues to get the messaging correct, I believe Donald Trump will win, especially in these Midwestern states.
00:08:16.000 They are becoming more conservative.
00:08:18.000 They're becoming more intolerant of crime and arson and terrorism and insurrection.
00:08:22.000 And these are good and positive trends for the president.
00:08:25.000 But if Trump loses, if you're listening to this podcast, guess what I'm going to do the day after the election?
00:08:31.000 Whether Trump wins or Trump loses, I'm going to do two podcasts.
00:08:35.000 I'm going to travel to more campuses and I'm going to fight harder than ever before.
00:08:38.000 It's irrelevant.
00:08:40.000 The election is just a snapshot in time.
00:08:42.000 Saving America is a 24-7 job.
00:08:46.000 If you're listening to this and you just kind of listen to this podcast and you get your information, God bless you.
00:08:51.000 Thank you for that.
00:08:52.000 However, we need more people like the left that take this as their daily obsession to save the Republic.
00:08:58.000 And if that's not you, totally understand that.
00:09:01.000 Then help the fighters.
00:09:02.000 Help the people that are like our freedom fighters at Turning Point USA, where all we do every single day is we think about how we are going to save the country.
00:09:11.000 All we do is we think about how we are going to turn the civilization away from decline and decay back to revitalization and prosperity.
00:09:21.000 And so, how will conservatives survive a Biden-Harris presidency?
00:09:25.000 It'll be tough.
00:09:26.000 The day after the election, though, I'm going back to work.
00:09:28.000 There's no vacation.
00:09:30.000 It's not like the election is like, oh, wow, we're glad we got that over with.
00:09:33.000 No matter what happens, then I can kind of just take a month off.
00:09:35.000 No, saving the republic is something that all of us should be so focused on that we say, okay, the election's important.
00:09:43.000 We have to get Trump re-elected.
00:09:45.000 But what are we doing after that?
00:09:46.000 And this is something that we as conservatives have done very poorly over the last couple of decades.
00:09:50.000 This is why I started Turning Point USA, is I felt that most of the focus was just on politics, not on culture.
00:09:57.000 That's why at Turning Point USA, we're a 501c3 nonprofit where we're focused on education, where we're focused on the core institutional rot of leftism that has seeped into the hearts and minds of the next generation.
00:10:09.000 And so, Alicia, I feel your anxiety.
00:10:11.000 I get this question all the time.
00:10:13.000 I got this question from a reporter recently.
00:10:15.000 What does the country look like post-Trump?
00:10:16.000 I don't know, okay?
00:10:18.000 What I do know is that the president needs to win if we want to keep this country a unionist country.
00:10:26.000 And that's a little hat tip to Ben Shapiro.
00:10:28.000 And we had been in our podcast recently, and you guys should listen to that episode.
00:10:31.000 It was a lot of fun.
00:10:33.000 If we want to keep our country intact, Donald Trump has to win.
00:10:36.000 Now, if you're of the belief, well, we got to break up the country sooner rather than later, then I disagree with that fundamentally.
00:10:43.000 I think that this country being kept whole and kept towards the direction of the best, most prosperous, stable 100 years we've ever had is the moral decision for our civilization.
00:10:54.000 However, all that is being put on the ballot as a referendum in November.
00:10:58.000 I'm never alarmist.
00:11:00.000 I try intentionally not to engage in alarmism, nor do I try to get into hyperbole.
00:11:06.000 However, it is hard for me to be able to articulate the danger that will ensue for anyone that believes in the Bible, that attends church, that owns firearms, that is trying to raise kids if Joe Biden gets elected president of the United States.
00:11:20.000 If he gets elected president of the United States, we are all going to become targets of very bitter, arrogant, deceitful people that want to seek revenge because we interrupted their major power play when Hillary Clinton lost.
00:11:36.000 Kamala Harris will be in a more important position than ever before that she could have dreamed of. 0.98
00:11:44.000 And she will execute the targets. 0.99
00:11:46.000 She will take over the attorney general's office through the vice president's office. 1.00
00:11:50.000 And she knows how to run a prosecutor's office. 0.97
00:11:54.000 And she will go after pastors and they will go after conservative groups. 0.96
00:11:57.000 They'll go after media figures.
00:12:00.000 And that's just the beginning of it.
00:12:01.000 They will shut down our energy dominance and our energy independence.
00:12:05.000 They will put forth some of the most anti-Second Amendment measures you could possibly think of.
00:12:11.000 And that's just within the first couple months of their presidency.
00:12:14.000 So there's a huge sense of urgency.
00:12:15.000 Your question was, I honestly fear for my freedom and liberty.
00:12:18.000 You should.
00:12:19.000 My goodness, you should be afraid.
00:12:20.000 But if we lose, get back to work.
00:12:22.000 Do not disengage.
00:12:23.000 Do not all of a sudden become apathetic and run to the hills and say, I hope they eat me last.
00:12:28.000 It's irrelevant.
00:12:29.000 Whether you think you can win or lose is never an excuse as to whether or not you should fight for what is moral and what is good.
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00:14:03.000 Okay, let's get to the next question.
00:14:05.000 Hey, Charlie, I listen to your podcast every day, and you are part of the reason I came to Christ.
00:14:09.000 That is the coolest thing I can hear.
00:14:11.000 Thank you.
00:14:12.000 One thing I've been struggling to grasp is the whole view on abortion and being pro-life.
00:14:17.000 If a woman, I mean a real woman, is raped and impregnated by her rapist and the woman chooses to abort the baby, are we not putting the law above the human by saying that she is sinning, Matt?
00:14:29.000 Well, first of all, this is one of the hardest questions I get to answer because it's not easy.
00:14:36.000 But first, before we answer the question on rape when it comes to abortion, we have to come to a couple agreed upon givens, to use a geometric term.
00:14:44.000 A given when coming to the issue of abortion is that it is a human life.
00:14:50.000 That when conception occurs, when the sperm and the egg have that miraculous moment that science still has not been able to fully explain, that is a human life.
00:15:01.000 That human life deserves protection.
00:15:03.000 It deserves dignity.
00:15:05.000 It deserves to be cherished and nurtured.
00:15:08.000 Now, 99% of all abortions in the country, and this is a statistic that is almost consistent in every single state.
00:15:19.000 It goes down to maybe 97% in certain states, but up to 99.9% in other states, are elective abortions not related to incest, rape, or the life of the mother.
00:15:31.000 Most abortions are a form of birth control.
00:15:35.000 So according to the Gutmacher Institute, I might be mispronouncing that, but they are a 501c3 nonprofit that their mission is good reproductive health policy starts with credible research.
00:15:49.000 And actually, some of their other statistics are actually favoring abortion.
00:15:55.000 On the bottom of their website at the gutmacher.org website, it talks about abortion is essential health care, always.
00:16:03.000 So what I'm about to recite to you is not from a pro-life website.
00:16:06.000 It is not from a crisis pregnancy website.
00:16:09.000 So according to the Guttmacher Institute, 71,740 abortions occurred in Florida during a period of time.
00:16:17.000 Out of those 71,740 abortions, 0.001% were due to incest.
00:16:24.000 0.065% were to protect the mother's life.
00:16:28.000 0.085% were due to rape.
00:16:31.000 And 0.66% were fetal abnormalities.
00:16:35.000 And 98.6% were elective procedures for social or economic reasons.
00:16:41.000 So that's our starting point.
00:16:42.000 This is one of the givens.
00:16:43.000 Again, to use a geometric term, if you do not have agreed upon givens, if you do not have agreed upon foundation or baseline, we're just talking past each other when we do this.
00:16:51.000 We have to have agreed upon foundational givens.
00:16:55.000 So the first of which is that a fetus is a human life.
00:17:01.000 It doesn't matter if it is a pre-born life.
00:17:05.000 It is a human life.
00:17:07.000 Now, some people say, well, it's not, then what species exactly is it?
00:17:10.000 Because it's got to be some species on the animal kingdom.
00:17:12.000 Now, you can say it's not a fully developed human life.
00:17:15.000 I agree with that.
00:17:16.000 But it doesn't go through some sort of magical species change.
00:17:23.000 I have a very well-viewed video, and you guys can check it out on my YouTube channel.
00:17:28.000 I encourage you guys to please subscribe to my YouTube channel and press that bell so you know every time we drop a new video where this young woman was protesting at the March for Life and she called it a parasite.
00:17:38.000 In fact, my team is saying maybe we should play the tape on that and I think it's actually important.
00:17:42.000 We'll play a short tape from that play tape.
00:17:44.000 Wait, so you think a six-week fetus is a parasite?
00:17:50.000 I think so.
00:17:51.000 Now, why is that important?
00:17:53.000 Because before I was able to actually discuss abortion with her, I had to discuss life with her. 1.00
00:17:59.000 See, abortion is a procedure.
00:18:01.000 It's not a medical procedure. 0.50
00:18:02.000 People believe it's a medical procedure.
00:18:05.000 Now, I believe abortion would only be a medical procedure in very, very rare cases.
00:18:09.000 I'll tell you exactly what I mean by that.
00:18:11.000 But generally, abortion is a life-ending procedure.
00:18:16.000 Typically, medicine is about the preservation of life.
00:18:20.000 In fact, medicine is literally about the preservation of life.
00:18:24.000 Medicine coming under the Hippocratic Oath is what?
00:18:28.000 First, do no harm.
00:18:30.000 Abortion violates that just from the presupposition of what abortion is, because it ends a human life.
00:18:36.000 You're doing harm inherently.
00:18:38.000 If I told you that there was a medical procedure where the individual you're working on was no longer going to be living by the end of it, you'd say, well, maybe I shouldn't do that medical procedure.
00:18:47.000 Now, some people say, well, Charlie, it's not a human life worthy of protection, but then when is?
00:18:52.000 And some people say, we're going to wait for the heartbeat.
00:18:54.000 Well, you have to understand that as soon as that human life is formed, the DNA is already in formation of being created.
00:19:02.000 That unique formation of life, and we did not know this, by the way, back run Roe versus Wade was decided.
00:19:07.000 As science has progressed, we now have more clarity.
00:19:11.000 We have more information on exactly the uniqueness of the life that is within the womb.
00:19:18.000 So when we talk about human life, that specific deoxoribonucleic acid, which is what DNA stands for, will never happen again.
00:19:31.000 So, the pro-abortion activists have to be okay with disregarding something that will never exist again.
00:19:39.000 That is the definition of unique.
00:19:42.000 That is the definition of one in affinity.
00:19:46.000 So, if you're okay with disregarding something that might never be formed again, then you would be more sympathetic with the pro-abortion argument, but not completely.
00:19:53.000 I believe that that unique life that is formed deserves the moral protection to be able to flourish and prosper in the society.
00:20:02.000 So, if we come from the given, that is a life, then all of a sudden we have to ask ourselves the question: why are most people getting abortions and then disposing of that life?
00:20:13.000 Why are most people eliminating that life?
00:20:16.000 Well, mainly, according to the Gutmacher Institute, which is a pro-abortion institute, which again, to reiterate, on the bottom of their website says abortion is central healthcare always, 98.6% of all abortions are for social or economic reasons.
00:20:33.000 So, most people get abortions because of convenience.
00:20:37.000 Now, mind you, despite 98.6% of people in Florida, let's just use that as the test case for this argument, are getting abortions for convenience.
00:20:48.000 Well, then the question should be then, why is 99% of our conversation around rape, life of the mother, or incest?
00:20:56.000 Well, the reason is because the pro-abortion activists are trying to distract us from the majority part of the issue.
00:21:04.000 If we can agree that 98.6% of all abortions should not exist, then the abortion industry in America would disappear overnight.
00:21:11.000 It would become a very rare, specific procedure.
00:21:14.000 Now, I'm not defending the legality of abortion when it comes to rape.
00:21:18.000 In fact, this is something I think there are very good arguments on both sides for.
00:21:22.000 And I'm not going to dive into exactly my interpretation of it because I think it's very, very complicated, extraordinarily complicated.
00:21:30.000 Let me tell you why. 0.87
00:21:31.000 I think it's very hard for me to reconcile to force a woman who did not consent to the creation of a child to then have that child, but which by biological definitional standards is half the man's. 0.99
00:21:45.000 Very hard for me to be able to wrestle with that. 0.79
00:21:48.000 However, when it comes to the mother's life, I do believe that in that very rare moment and 0.065% of the time, I do think it is acceptable in that moment for the woman, if she truly has her life at risk, then to have an abortion. 0.59
00:22:10.000 Why?
00:22:11.000 Well, because that woman can then maybe have more children in the future, and that woman also, and this is a lot of Orthodox rabbis agree with this, that woman, if you have to choose between one life and the other, if the woman dies, then actually the baby will actually might die as well.
00:22:28.000 Very, very difficult situation to talk about.
00:22:31.000 And so, my position is that we should focus the entire conversation on the 98.6% before we even talk about the remaining 1.4%.
00:22:41.000 In fact, I think the remaining 1.4% is nothing more than a distraction issue.
00:22:46.000 If we can get to this by saying that abortion should not exist in our country if someone is having the abortion because they think they don't have enough money, that is unacceptable.
00:22:57.000 That is completely and totally, in my opinion, a violation of the moral compact that we have as a nation to protect the vulnerable, to protect the least of these.
00:23:10.000 And I want to be very clear.
00:23:11.000 One of the ways I differentiate myself with some people in the pro-life movement is I am very sympathetic to women that have had abortions.
00:23:19.000 I believe most women have been lied to.
00:23:21.000 I do not come at this issue from a kind of moral mountain by screaming down at women that have had abortions and make them feel awful.
00:23:29.000 I think that's a mistake.
00:23:31.000 I think most women have been misled by the abortionists and the people that run these facilities.
00:23:35.000 I don't even want to call them doctors because they're not doing things that are helpful for our society. 0.75
00:23:39.000 They are eliminating our population.
00:23:41.000 They are destroying lives and removing birthdays and removing dreams.
00:23:45.000 I think that is just something that is completely awful.
00:23:48.000 And I think planned parenthood should be completely defunded and shut down altogether.
00:23:52.000 And this is part of my biblical belief that all lives matter.
00:23:56.000 But even if I didn't believe in the Bible, there is no scientific justification for abortion.
00:24:00.000 There just isn't.
00:24:01.000 If you believe that that life is a human being, then as soon as that life is formed, that life is deserving and worthy of the protection under the law.
00:24:09.000 It's just that simple.
00:24:10.000 And some people, like Pete Boot Edge Edge, say that life begins at birth. 0.63
00:24:14.000 That is so scientifically ridiculous that it's hard to even justify with a cross-examination.
00:24:22.000 But if life then begins at birth, Pete Boutige, he believes in abortion all the way up to the moment before the baby is born where the baby is crying and the baby has full capacity to feel, has the full capacity to live outside of the womb.
00:24:36.000 And that's Pete Boot Edge Edge's view on abortion.
00:24:39.000 But I think it's very important when we talk about the issue of abortion to not make women that have had abortions the enemy, but instead look at them as individuals that we can communicate with, empathize with, and also bring over to our side.
00:24:58.000 And abortion is not something that is a victimless act.
00:25:01.000 A lot of women that get abortions regret it tremendously.
00:25:05.000 A lot of women that get abortions feel as if that they have been lied to and betrayed.
00:25:10.000 A lot of women that have abortions have physical, emotional, psychological, and spiritual pain for the rest of their life.
00:25:16.000 And just to be more clear, Pete Buttigieg says he supports people to have abortions up until the baby has first breath.
00:25:25.000 And there's a lot of statistics, by the way, to show that women after abortions have a lot of regret.
00:25:30.000 So I appreciate the question very much, but I think our entire conversation needs to be focused on the 98.6%, according to the Guttmacher Institute.
00:25:38.000 98.6%.
00:25:41.000 I think that is just a moral outrage. 0.79
00:25:43.000 There are a million abortions a year.
00:25:45.000 There are about 3,000 abortions a day.
00:25:47.000 We are destroying the black community in particular with our abortion policy, something that I think is a moral stain on our country.
00:25:55.000 Here are just some more numbers about women who have abortions and some of the real and tragic costs that is associated post-abortion. 0.60
00:26:02.000 Planned Parenthood states the following: Research studies indicate that emotional responses to legally induced abortion are largely positive.
00:26:09.000 They also indicate that emotional problems resulting from abortion are rare and less frequent than those following childbirth.
00:26:15.000 So they're just glamorizing abortion.
00:26:17.000 I just can't think of anything more immoral than Planned Parenthood doing this.
00:26:20.000 Unfortunately, statistics tell a completely different story.
00:26:24.000 Two studies from Finland, and this is from Live Action, a pro-life group that I really appreciate.
00:26:30.000 I actually contribute to because I am so passionate about what they do.
00:26:32.000 Two studies from Finland show that women who had abortions were six to seven times more likely to commit suicide than women who gave birth.
00:26:39.000 These studies were based on medical records rather than interviews.
00:26:43.000 Statistics show that women have a higher rate of suicide after abortion.
00:26:46.000 Suicide rates among women of childbearing age are approximately 11.3 out of 100,000.
00:26:51.000 Post-abortion women have a rate of 34.7.
00:26:54.000 Interestingly enough, women who have given birth have a suicide rate of 5.9 per 100,000.
00:27:00.000 Birth then seems to give protection against suicide.
00:27:04.000 Another survey of post-abortion women, which appeared in Women's World, revealed that 45%, or well over a third of women, had suicidal feelings following their abortions.
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00:28:01.000 Hey, Charlie, I was watching the Democrat National Convention and I saw the young man that was stuttering asking Joe Biden a question.
00:28:08.000 It got me to thinking: what is the Republican stance on handicap individuals?
00:28:13.000 Also, how should we handle handicapped individuals in our society?
00:28:18.000 Thanks so much, Bob in Ohio.
00:28:20.000 Well, thank you, Bob from Ohio, for listening, and you win a signed copy of the New York Times bestseller, the MAGA Doctrine.
00:28:26.000 Well, first of all, I was moved by that young man's question.
00:28:30.000 I actually think it was the best part of the entire Democrat National Convention.
00:28:33.000 And I believe Joe Biden actually struggles with a stutter, and I think that that is a very unfortunate thing for individuals to have to deal with.
00:28:42.000 I think that Republicans at times get attacked unfairly for being against handicapped individuals.
00:28:49.000 We have a moral prerogative to look after the least of these in society.
00:28:52.000 That's why I'm pro-life.
00:28:53.000 That's also why I believe we should look after the blind and the deaf and people that are handicapped.
00:28:58.000 Now, mind you, if I was nothing but a Darwinist, there is no argument you can make through secular humanist Darwinism to look after handicapped children.
00:29:07.000 There isn't.
00:29:08.000 In fact, it was because of the teachings of the Bible and Jesus Christ that we were able to humanize the handicap. 0.96
00:29:13.000 So because of nutrition problems and malnutrition all throughout the times of Jesus Christ, there were more blind people and deaf people than even in our society right now.
00:29:25.000 And actually, there are many examples of Jesus Christ going out of his way and healing the blind so that they can see.
00:29:31.000 It was both materially true and also metaphorically true.
00:29:36.000 However, it was very interesting to go into the history of it.
00:29:40.000 In ancient Greece and ancient Rome, blind boys were used as galley slaves and blind girls were used as prostitutes.
00:29:49.000 It wasn't until the teachings of the Bible came into Greece and Italy and all across Europe and all across the Middle East where people that were previously disregarded were actually given meaning and given a place in society.
00:30:05.000 In fact, in 630 AD, a center for the blind in Jerusalem was created by Christians.
00:30:12.000 Simply put, the Bible created a compassionate God who saved us from all sin.
00:30:19.000 That was basically one of the metaphorical framings of the entire Bible.
00:30:23.000 And because of that, it calls us Christians to be loving and generous and compassionate to all people.
00:30:28.000 We take this for granted in the Western world.
00:30:30.000 We say, well, of course, handicapped people should be taken care of, and they should. 0.75
00:30:34.000 Of course, deaf people and blind people.
00:30:35.000 But that was not the case prior to the Bible. 0.69
00:30:38.000 In secular humanism or just into the indulgence of mythology, and you just mythologize everything like the Greeks did. 0.97
00:30:46.000 Show me the argument through that moral framework or that moral ethic why someone who is blind should have meaning in society. 0.95
00:30:53.000 However, if you believe in the Christian ethic, you can absolutely and very quickly come to the conclusion that blind people and deaf people have incredible and infinite amount of value on earth because God created them.
00:31:08.000 God gave them life.
00:31:10.000 God spoke them into existence.
00:31:12.000 And so here's one thing that really bothers me right now and kind of connect it to the modern news cycle.
00:31:17.000 When we close down these schools, you have to understand it hurts parents that have special needs kids an incredible amount.
00:31:25.000 Understand when these schools remain closed, such as District 214 in Chicago, Illinois, right outside of Chicago, Illinois.
00:31:31.000 I went to Wheeling High School.
00:31:32.000 They are deciding to basically close their entire school system, their whole school district.
00:31:37.000 I know parents that have special needs kids, that have handicapped kids.
00:31:41.000 They do not know how they're going to be able to educate their children all day.
00:31:45.000 For special needs kids in particular, parents move into some of these very expensive school districts.
00:31:50.000 They get mortgages sometimes that push the boundaries of their income.
00:31:54.000 They assume property tax burdens so that their kids can learn in special needs environment.
00:32:00.000 This is not something to be scoffed at.
00:32:03.000 However, in District 214 in Chicago, in Wheeling, Illinois, in more particular, these teachers are earning $149,000 a year.
00:32:11.000 And so these schools are now completely closed, run by Democrat teacher unions, and it is the least of these special needs kids that are being taken advantage of.
00:32:22.000 So when we close the schools because of the Chinese virus reaction that happens in the suburbs of Chicago, we are then penalizing special needs kids.
00:32:33.000 We are, and yes, you did hear me right, and I have a citation for this.
00:32:37.000 In District 214 outside of Chicago at Wheeling High School, there are teachers earning $149,000 a year, $148,000 a year, $141,000 a year, $138,000 a year, $134,000 a year, $128,000 a year.
00:32:52.000 I just provided the entire citation to our team, and we will be happy to post that on the Charlie Kirk show.
00:32:58.000 If you think your teachers are underpaid, just go to District 214 outside of Chicago, where teachers are earning $149,000 a year.
00:33:09.000 Just think about that.
00:33:10.000 $149,000 a year.
00:33:11.000 And we wonder why the Illinois pension system is completely and totally backwards and bankrupt and insolvent.
00:33:17.000 And so, look, Republicans have done a phenomenal job of actually standing with disabled workers and handicap children.
00:33:25.000 I actually think this is something that the church needs to do a much better job at: stepping up and helping be the social welfare institution where government has failed.
00:33:35.000 It is the church that should clothe the cold, should feed the hungry, and should reconcile the lost.
00:33:43.000 It is the church that should have been stepping up more in this time of crisis and helping businesses that were failed. 0.94
00:33:50.000 Instead, I look at these massive Christian incorporated churches, and they have done very little to anything to help the community around them. 0.99
00:33:57.000 It is the church that should be pushing the boundaries, always in the middle of the public square. 1.00
00:34:02.000 And I've been so let down by seeing that in recent weeks.
00:34:05.000 And so, to answer your question, the Republican conservative position is that all life has value.
00:34:11.000 It is consistent with the question I just previously answered on life in the womb and also disabled life.
00:34:17.000 Understand that a lot of Democrats argue that babies that have fetal ab normalities should be terminated and not given a chance at life.
00:34:27.000 I disagree with this.
00:34:29.000 I do not think abortion should be based on the child's likelihood to be disabled or not disabled.
00:34:39.000 I don't.
00:34:41.000 I think parents out there that have special needs kids would agree when I say this, that some of the greatest blessings that parents can have is a child that might have been disadvantaged in one way.
00:34:57.000 I think that's all of a sudden assuming us as God.
00:35:00.000 I think that's us playing God, and I think that is immoral to do.
00:35:03.000 I do.
00:35:04.000 I think that it is immoral for us to assume the position that we know exactly what is best at all times, and we are going to play the position that that life should not exist right now, and we're going to get in the way of it.
00:35:17.000 So, what is the Republican position?
00:35:19.000 It's that all life matters.
00:35:21.000 That's the Republican position.
00:35:23.000 I was moved by the very same topic that you mentioned.
00:35:26.000 I was.
00:35:27.000 And I think that the Republicans need to also show that we are compassionate and that we are the preservers of those that might not have the same advantages that you and I have listening to this podcast.
00:35:39.000 And whether it be a learning disability, whether it be someone that's blind or someone that is deaf or hearing impaired or visually impaired, or it might be a physical disability, whatever it might be, it is the Christian ethic that makes the argument that that life matters, not the secular humanist Darwinist ethic, which is the survival of the fittest, disregard them, put them on the edges of society, and hope you never have to see them again, or just eliminate them in the womb.
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00:36:57.000 Hey, Charlie, I'm trying to figure out what authors I should read to make sense of what's going on right now.
00:37:02.000 A lot of my teachers are pushing Marx, Engels, Hegel, and all of the far-left thinkers.
00:37:08.000 Who do you think I should read so I can get a better understanding of the philosophical challenges facing Western civilization?
00:37:13.000 Thanks so much, Greg from Rhode Island.
00:37:15.000 Well, Greg from Rhode Island, that is a great question.
00:37:17.000 We will get you a signed copy of the New York Times bestseller, the MAGA Doctrine.
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00:37:24.000 Okay, well, I want to talk about two in particular here.
00:37:26.000 And I also first want to just talk about thinker.org.
00:37:29.000 They do a great job.
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00:37:37.000 At least it used to be.
00:37:38.000 A new app called Thinker has solved that problem by summarizing the key ideas from new and noteworthy nonfiction, giving you access to an entire library of great books and buy-size form.
00:37:46.000 Reader listen to hundreds of titles in a matter of minutes, including old classics like Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People, to recent bestsellers like Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life.
00:37:55.000 If you want to challenge your preconceptions, expand your horizons, and become a better thinker, go to thinker.org slash Charlie to start and extend free trial and put your mind in motion.
00:38:02.000 So Thinker does a great job, and they're exclusive partner here on the Charlie Kirk Show when it comes to being able to read and consume information quickly.
00:38:10.000 I highly encourage you guys to check them out.
00:38:11.000 But I want to talk about the divide, and it's really not a divide because I actually think they would agree on many things today.
00:38:17.000 But it was a divide back then in some ways, and I think it's really interesting of Thomas Paine versus Edmund Burke.
00:38:22.000 So I think that some people mislabel Thomas Paine as being the kind of author of American leftism.
00:38:30.000 I think that's a really lazy interpretation.
00:38:33.000 Thomas Paine was actually the author of the American Revolution.
00:38:36.000 He most famously authored Common Sense in 1776.
00:38:40.000 It actually came out right in February and March of 1776.
00:38:43.000 It was the best-selling book in American history.
00:38:46.000 It sold over 300,000 copies.
00:38:50.000 And to kind of just extrapolate that to the United States population today, it would be like selling 11 million copies today, just so you understand how big of a deal this was.
00:38:58.000 Common Sense was written in common lingo.
00:39:01.000 It was written for the common man.
00:39:03.000 And it argued that it was time to fight against Britain.
00:39:07.000 Thomas Paine was always in search of a fight.
00:39:10.000 He loved a good fight.
00:39:11.000 He loved a good revolution.
00:39:13.000 He famously said, and you guys have probably heard this expression before, these are the times that try men's souls.
00:39:19.000 He was one of the main reasons why the Declaration of Independence was written in the first place.
00:39:24.000 You could say that the book Common Sense spurred the revolution.
00:39:27.000 Again, it was written in the language of ordinary people, and it was something that people were able to rally behind and able to understand.
00:39:35.000 Now, Thomas Paine had a very famous series of letters kind of going back and forth with what some people would call the kind of founder of American conservatism, Edmund Burke.
00:39:46.000 Edmund Burke wrote a book called A Vindication of Natural Society.
00:39:50.000 And Paine and Burke went back and forth, kind of arguing in particular about the French Revolution.
00:39:55.000 So Thomas Paine was kind of a revolution shopper, so he got the American Revolution underway and he's like, okay, what's next?
00:40:00.000 So then he went and totally screwed up France.
00:40:02.000 So then he went to France and was like, let's do it here.
00:40:05.000 And Edmund Burke understood the American Revolution.
00:40:08.000 I shouldn't say he supported it.
00:40:09.000 Edmund Burke was very much in favor of the British monarchy and the system and tradition.
00:40:16.000 I think he gets mislabeled as someone who was just a defender of elitism, when in reality, he was really a deeper thinker about the nuclear family, of what comes before us, of understanding where philosophy is derived from.
00:40:31.000 One of his main thinkers that he really appreciated was Aristotle for good reason.
00:40:36.000 And so Edmund Burke, in particular, was a critic of the French Revolution.
00:40:41.000 He wrote a whole book about it called Reflections on the Revolution in France.
00:40:46.000 Thomas Paine was a huge fan of the French Revolution, but Edmund Burke understood the American Revolution was not about throwing out everything before.
00:40:53.000 It was about getting a new system of government, but still keeping some of these systems that predated the American Revolution intact and in place.
00:41:01.000 The French Revolution was nowhere close to that.
00:41:04.000 The French Revolution was about total and complete upheaval.
00:41:08.000 It was about destroying everything that came before, history, culture, and even time.
00:41:14.000 Edmund Burke wrote this in November 1790, and it was one of the best-known intellectual attacks against the French Revolution.
00:41:22.000 If you want to know exactly what's happening right now, read Reflections on the Revolution in France by Edmund Burke.
00:41:28.000 He was a harsh critic, basically calling out Robespierre and all of the individuals that were pushing back and up against this idea of the French ruling class saying you're about to make a tragic mistake. 0.97
00:41:40.000 And he was right. 0.93
00:41:41.000 Edmund Burke predicted the rise of Napoleon and his reign of terror all across Europe.
00:41:46.000 And Burke argued in large in part that they were screwing up exactly man's nature, that man was actually flawed by nature, not good by nature.
00:41:58.000 So this kind of divide, if you will, between Paine and Burke, people say, well, Paine was the revolutionary, and Burke was the one that really wanted things to stay as they were.
00:42:06.000 I think that is actually an incomplete picture of it.
00:42:09.000 I think a better picture is that right now, Burke and Paine would be in full agreement.
00:42:13.000 I think Paine would not want anything to do with the American left.
00:42:17.000 And I know that Burke wouldn't want anything to do with the American left at all.
00:42:20.000 And so I think that they would actually be in agreement that Western civilization is necessary to be protected.
00:42:28.000 I think that Burke would be in total agreement of that.
00:42:31.000 And Paine actually would, he helped create Western civilization.
00:42:34.000 So of course he would be in favor of that.
00:42:36.000 So that kind of divide between Burke and Paine, I think everyone would find very interesting.
00:42:41.000 And Common Sense by Thomas Paine is one of my favorite reads.
00:42:44.000 I think you guys should check it out.
00:42:45.000 I think you'll find a lot of meaning and a lot of depth in Common Sense by Thomas Paine and also Reflection of the Revolution in France by Edmund Burke.
00:42:53.000 Hi, Charlie.
00:42:54.000 I really enjoy your show and I'm interested to watch the Republican National Convention.
00:42:57.000 You should watch.
00:42:58.000 Hopefully I won't argue with the TV as much as I did during the DNC.
00:43:01.000 I hope not.
00:43:02.000 My question is, who do you think are the top most watched speakers at the Republican Convention with whom we might not be familiar?
00:43:08.000 Trump is a given, but who's in the shadows that we will really want to see?
00:43:13.000 Thanks for your time, Grace.
00:43:14.000 P.S. Are you speaking at the RNC next week?
00:43:16.000 Tune in and find out.
00:43:17.000 That's my answer to that.
00:43:18.000 Just tune in, find out, don't miss a second of it.
00:43:22.000 What speakers?
00:43:22.000 Look, the McCloskeys are going to be speaking, which are the unfairly criminalized couple that came out with firearms after a terrorist mob wanted to burn down their house in Missouri and actually just trashed their gate.
00:43:33.000 Nick Sandman is speaking. 0.52
00:43:35.000 I believe Kim Klesick is also speaking, as well as many others.
00:43:40.000 Just tune in and find out if I'm speaking.
00:43:41.000 But I think the Republican Convention, they have to get people excited about America.
00:43:45.000 By the end of the week, they have to get more people excited about our country than on Monday.
00:43:50.000 So by Thursday, more people should be fired up about America than they were on Monday.
00:43:53.000 President Trump is a phenomenal showman.
00:43:56.000 And I mean that in a positive way.
00:43:57.000 President Trump knows how to put on a great show.
00:43:59.000 I think the Republican Convention is going to be must-watch television.
00:44:02.000 And actually, every night of the Republican Convention, make sure you tune into our YouTube channel because we are going to be going to you live every single night of the RNC.
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