The Charlie Kirk Show - July 05, 2021


Ask Charlie Anything 69: America's Founding, The Declaration of Independence, 1619 Project & MORE


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In this episode, Pastor David Englehart and Pastor Charlie Kirk debate whether or not America was founded in 1619 by the first slaves, and whether that was a good or bad thing. They also discuss the role of slavery in the founding of the country.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:01.000 Happy Monday.
00:00:02.000 We take your questions that you've emailed us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:06.000 I'm joined by Pastor David Engelhart, where we go through the top lies of America and questions you guys have sent us about the founding of America, the philosophical underpinnings about America, the questions you might have on this Independence Day weekend.
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00:02:34.000 I'm here with Pastor David Engelhart.
00:02:35.000 We're going to explore some of these questions together.
00:02:37.000 Here is one in particular.
00:02:40.000 Was America founded in 1619?
00:02:42.000 Cynthia from Ohio has that question.
00:02:45.000 Basically, her email that she emailed us, freedom at charliekirk.com, says that my teacher insists that we are founded in 1619.
00:02:54.000 So I suppose the argument that Nicole Hannah Jones, the charlatan, puts forward is America was a slave nation, and therefore, when the first slaves hit America, that was our true founding.
00:03:08.000 Embedded in the lie that is that your children are learning, by the way, in elementary schools or in high schools across the country, is this belief, is this idea that because there was slavery that existed, the entire nation, our ideals and the documents and the aims and the ambitions of the founders is therefore invalid.
00:03:32.000 It must be completely thrown out.
00:03:34.000 Now, never does Nicole Hannah Jones ever, she's never able to provide original source documents that show a single founding father writing favorably about slavery.
00:03:44.000 In fact, one of our listeners emailed this and I forgot about this.
00:03:47.000 In the proceedings of the American Continental Congress on October 20th, 1774, it showed the sense of Congress regarding slavery, quote, that we will neither import nor purchase any slave imported after the first day of December, next after which time we will wholly discontinue the slave trade.
00:04:06.000 And we will neither be concerned in it ourselves, nor will we hire our vessels, nor sell our commodities or manufacturers to those who are concerned with it. 0.56
00:04:15.000 And the American founders made good on it.
00:04:17.000 In fact, the American founders and framers in the Constitution put a moratorium on the importation of new slaves coming into America.
00:04:26.000 It's in the final draft.
00:04:28.000 It's actually in the approved copy of the United States Constitution that was ratified in 1787.
00:04:34.000 You guys can see it for yourself.
00:04:36.000 And the person who signed that into law in March of 1807 was Thomas Jefferson himself.
00:04:42.000 Did you know in the original draft of the Declaration of Independence, in Thomas Jefferson's own handwriting, I've seen it myself.
00:04:49.000 I've been in the archives in Dallas, Texas, where my friend David Barton has the original draft that shows that Thomas Jefferson wrote it with his own handwriting.
00:04:59.000 He condemned King George for bringing slavery to the United States.
00:05:04.000 Hey, Nicole Hannah-Jones, if Thomas Jefferson was so pro-slavery, why was he blaming King George for bringing slaves to the United States?
00:05:11.000 In fact, let's read his own words.
00:05:14.000 What did Thomas Jefferson say in his own private musings about slavery?
00:05:18.000 He said this, quote, King George has waged a cruel war against human nature itself.
00:05:25.000 King George has violated its most sacred right of life and liberty and the persons of a distant people who have never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery into another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in the transportation thither.
00:05:43.000 That's Thomas Jefferson writing in his own handwriting saying, King George, one of the reasons we hate you is you brought this sin of slavery here.
00:05:53.000 Now, you might say, well, Charlie, why didn't it make the final draft of the Declaration of Independence?
00:05:57.000 That's a very good question.
00:05:59.000 It's because in order to have the unanimous agreement of every single state, they had to have slave states and states that were about to be free, like Vermont and Massachusetts, to abolish slavery without any sort of external influence.
00:06:11.000 They did it internally.
00:06:13.000 And so to do that, they had to come to some sort of compromise at the great dismay of Thomas Jefferson, because Thomas Jefferson wanted to tell King George and poke him in the eye and say, you did this.
00:06:22.000 You brought this to America.
00:06:24.000 You see, slavery has always been the human norm on the planet.
00:06:29.000 The question we should ask ourselves is, how did it end and why did it end?
00:06:34.000 And what sort of philosophical transition was taking place where all of a sudden we realized and we recognized that ownership of another human being was wrong and was immoral.
00:06:44.000 And the pastors who founded America had a lot to do with that, right, David?
00:06:48.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:06:48.000 I mean, the understanding that we were made in the image and likeness of God and that we as human beings bore a stamp of dignity, not because of our color, not because of our creed, but that stamp of dignity was born because we were made in God's image and likeness.
00:07:06.000 And the insanity of these 1619 projects is to say, didn't you, don't you realize that every other nation in the entire world had slaves and were trading slaves either locally or internationally?
00:07:20.000 And we were the first nation in the world to put a moratorium on slavery because our founders were influenced by Christianity to such a great degree, they saw this as a great shame and sin that was upon our nation or would be upon our nation when we formed in 1776.
00:07:42.000 And so the The Nicole Hannah Jones types that are teaching your children, they also can't, they can never explain the Northwest Ordinance. 0.55
00:07:55.000 The Northwest Ordinance was passed by the Continental Congress right before the ratification of the United States Constitution with unanimous consent.
00:08:04.000 And the Northwest Ordinance was all about the new territories.
00:08:08.000 It was all about what are we going to do with this big open land.
00:08:11.000 It was in 1787, the same year that the Declaration, the Constitution was ratified, not the Declaration.
00:08:17.000 And in Article 6, Nicole Hannah Jones, who now has tenure at University of North Carolina, I'd love to have her answer this.
00:08:23.000 And by the way, she's considered to be the top intelligentsia of the idea that we are founded on slavery.
00:08:28.000 I hope everyone understands the significance.
00:08:30.000 This is not a philosophical debate.
00:08:32.000 This is a question of whether or not America will continue to exist.
00:08:35.000 If a country does not have a shared language, history, and culture, it is no longer a country.
00:08:41.000 And so, as far, as long as people like Nicole Hannah Jones and Tahanisi Coates and Ibram X. Kendi and Robin DiAngelo, the charlatans that are teaching your children, are allowed to lie with impunity without any sort of cross-examination from people like us, it is death by a thousand cuts of the American Republic.
00:08:59.000 But she cannot answer this.
00:09:01.000 If we were founded on slavery, why is it that by unanimous consent, why is it with every single state agreeing, the Northwest Ordinance, which was Ohio and Indiana and Michigan and Illinois and Iowa and Wisconsin, said, quote, there shall neither be slavery nor involuntary servitude in the said territory, otherwise than in the punishment of crimes whereof the party shall be duly convicted.
00:09:27.000 Slavery was abolished in the new parts of America.
00:09:30.000 The new territories, when you buy something new, that's usually a reflection of your value system.
00:09:35.000 And there was no debate.
00:09:36.000 It was done so unanimously.
00:09:38.000 So the new lands were free lands.
00:09:41.000 And the Northwest Ordinance says that very clearly.
00:09:44.000 Now, if we were a slave nation, wouldn't the thinkers and the writers of Hamilton and Jefferson and Madison and Mason and Franklin, they'd say, oh, no, no, we want slaves to be in the new territories.
00:09:56.000 How do you explain that, Nicole Hannah Jones?
00:09:58.000 The 1619 Project cannot explain this.
00:10:02.000 They refuse to explain it.
00:10:03.000 And say they say, oh, no, it was white supremacy that was cloaked from within.
00:10:07.000 No, no, it was the opposite.
00:10:09.000 Instead, it was human equality, not white supremacy.
00:10:12.000 It was the first new land that we are able to point to in the history of the world.
00:10:16.000 New territory, a new place where all of a sudden the ownership of one other human being was forbidden.
00:10:23.000 That's a big deal.
00:10:25.000 In fact, that's something that's worthy of celebration.
00:10:27.000 And so on July 13th, we should actually celebrate the Northwest Ordinance.
00:10:30.000 Isn't it funny how all this stuff happens around the same couple dates, July 4th?
00:10:34.000 And today we're right now on this day in 1863 is when tens of thousands of Union and Confederate soldiers were fighting for the future of our republic right near this period of time.
00:10:45.000 And so were we founded in 1619?
00:10:48.000 Only if you think we were founded on slavery.
00:10:51.000 But no honest and objective observer of history using original source documents, looking at what the founding fathers believed, why they believed it could ever come to that conclusion.
00:11:00.000 Instead, America was founded on this principle of self-government, checks and balances, an independent judiciary, natural rights, the consent of the governed, the hierarchy of a transcendent order, and human equality.
00:11:18.000 And that human equality is best expressed in the Northwest Ordinance, the Declaration, and the U.S. Constitution.
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00:12:37.000 I'm going to play some tape here, David.
00:12:39.000 You will not be able to hear it, but our listeners will.
00:12:42.000 But I'm going to tell you, it's basically Nicole Hannah-Jones saying, our founding is when the first group of Africans were brought to America.
00:12:48.000 I want our audience to listen to this tape and then I want you to react.
00:12:51.000 Cut 96, please.
00:12:53.000 1619, in August of 1619, is when the first group of 20 to 30 Africans were sold into the Virginia colony.
00:13:01.000 And what the project is basically arguing is that that is actually as foundational to the American story as the year 1776, because nothing would be left untouched by that decision to engage in the institution of slavery.
00:13:13.000 So Nicole Hannah Jones said that August 1619, the first group of slaves were brought to America.
00:13:19.000 That is the fundamental turning point in America.
00:13:22.000 David, why is that logically the wrong way to look at the founding of anything?
00:13:27.000 Well, on the one hand, it's just an arbitrary establishment of a quote-unquote founding.
00:13:32.000 Well, why wasn't it 1609 when the Dutch showed up and they were escaping religious persecution?
00:13:37.000 Why wasn't it any other random date before 1620, the Mayflower Compact?
00:13:41.000 That's right.
00:13:41.000 Any random date before 1776.
00:13:43.000 And if we think analogously to the joining of a people, the joining of disparate peoples or disparate states to create one nation, you say, how does that happen?
00:13:53.000 Well, it's kind of like a marriage.
00:13:55.000 Two individuals agree to be joined permanently together.
00:13:59.000 That would be called the founding of the marriage when they sign the marriage license, when they all affirmatively agree that we're starting something new.
00:14:09.000 Before that, they're two unique individuals functioning in unique ways for their own individual incentive.
00:14:15.000 And that's okay.
00:14:16.000 Is it the first time they met the founding of their marriage?
00:14:18.000 Of course not.
00:14:19.000 No one would ever say that.
00:14:20.000 What about the first time they got in a fight over, you know, what, what, what, what restaurant to go to for dinner?
00:14:26.000 Is that the founding of their marriage?
00:14:28.000 Of course not.
00:14:29.000 You would be crazy to think when you're establishing permanence of relationship, which is the founding of a nation, establishing a social contract, permanence of a nation, a covenant between one another.
00:14:41.000 It's when we sign the documents and commit one to another.
00:14:44.000 And that's what we were doing when we signed the Constitution.
00:14:47.000 We signed to commit one to another.
00:14:50.000 And first, the Declaration, right?
00:14:52.000 And the Declaration of Independence, obviously on July 4th, 1776.
00:14:56.000 This was not a lighthearted document.
00:14:59.000 1776 was a profound year.
00:15:01.000 It was the year that Adam Smith wrote the Inquiry into the Wealth of Nations.
00:15:04.000 It was the year that Thomas Paine wrote Common Sense.
00:15:07.000 It was the year that George Mason successfully passed the Virginia Declaration of Rights, just about a month before the Declaration of Independence, which ended up being the precursor to the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
00:15:19.000 And then we had this beautiful document that was written that was basically, hey, King George, we're now governing ourselves.
00:15:25.000 And so the Declaration of Independence starts super broad.
00:15:28.000 When in the course of human events, when does that mean, David?
00:15:31.000 Yeah, that means that this is this is not just about us, but there are times in the history of the world where you have a tyrannical government and you are compelled because of God's laws, the laws of nature, and God himself, the creator, you're compelled to disband or throw off that kind of tyrannical system in order that you and me and whether black or white, who are created equally by God,
00:15:58.000 that we can function in liberty and pursue the things like family and children and beauty, the gifts that we've been given.
00:16:06.000 So when in the course of human events puts in the first six words of the declaration that this is a document that has no bearing of time and is applicable to all human beings.
00:16:18.000 You see, the Declaration of Independence was this incredible, it was so profound and it was so unique in the sense that these founders were saying, you know, what's never really been done before?
00:16:31.000 Really, people haven't been able to articulate what is a moral claim to government.
00:16:35.000 John Locke did and Cicero did and Aristotle did.
00:16:38.000 They said, here's our opportunity.
00:16:39.000 And it says basically it starts really big and then it gets super specific and then it goes really big.
00:16:44.000 So the way to think of the Declaration is wide, narrow, wide.
00:16:49.000 So it starts wide.
00:16:50.000 When in the course of human events?
00:16:52.000 Oh, really?
00:16:52.000 Thanks for being like the opposite of specific.
00:16:55.000 So basically, Thomas Jefferson is saying eternal.
00:16:58.000 This could be applicable in the year 1400, year 2000, or year 2300.
00:17:03.000 We're saying that nature is the norm and we're making a moral claim that there's nothing necessarily special about our time.
00:17:10.000 So what Thomas Jefferson starts with from just a purely like just an argumentative type standpoint, he's saying, I'm going to tell you when it's right for people to do what we're about to do.
00:17:22.000 And then I'm going to list in great detail why it's right and why it points up to that universal principle.
00:17:27.000 And at the end, I'm going to tie it all together to say, this is really the time to do this.
00:17:32.000 So it starts, starts wide, then goes narrow, and then goes wide.
00:17:37.000 If you are interested in American history, we try to do our best to tell you the truth about our country, the beauty of our founding, the exceptionalism of our documents, the philosophical roots of this republic, not a democracy that we live in.
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00:18:04.000 We have a question here from Patrick from Virginia.
00:18:08.000 It's kind of a meandering question, but he mentioned something around the slave Bible.
00:18:14.000 What is that?
00:18:14.000 And this was a question, by the way, that was emailed us at freedom at charliekirk.com to us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:18:20.000 If we take your questions, you guys get a signed copy of the MAGA doctrine.
00:18:23.000 What is that?
00:18:24.000 Yeah, so first of all, Charlie, the slave Bible was a Bible that was floating around in the early 1800s.
00:18:32.000 Now, people say this phrase, don't you know the slave Bible existed?
00:18:36.000 Don't you know that it was given to slaves?
00:18:38.000 Don't you know that the United States of America and the churches were evil and complicit in slavery?
00:18:45.000 What they don't tell you because they don't know this is the slave Bible never came to the United States.
00:18:51.000 What was the slave Bible?
00:18:52.000 The slave Bible was a Bible that it actually took out about 90% of the Old Testament.
00:18:56.000 It contained only 10% of the Old Testament. 0.92
00:18:59.000 And then it took out about half of the New Testament.
00:19:01.000 And specifically, it took out verses like Genesis, Galatians chapter 3, verse 28, that says, there is therefore now no Jew, Gentile, slave, or free in Jesus Christ.
00:19:13.000 All of the scriptures relating to the freedom and liberty of personhood in Christ Jesus were torn out of the Bible and sent by this bizarre group that was pro-slavery to the West Indies, to the Caribbean.
00:19:26.000 It never came to the United States.
00:19:28.000 It didn't affect the nation.
00:19:29.000 And we're talking, Charlie, 1810, 1815, not 1619.
00:19:34.000 There was no 1619 slave Bible being passed around in churches in the United States.
00:19:39.000 And they try to join these and implicate the church as being pro-slavery when you have somebody like Wilberforce, William Wilberforce, who is going crazy to stand against slavery as a member of the church, as a representative of Jesus Christ and liberation for all of mankind.
00:19:57.000 So, but the accusation is that it was used in America.
00:20:00.000 It was not.
00:20:00.000 Not at all.
00:20:01.000 Never brought to the United States. 0.98
00:20:02.000 And some people might be listening to this.
00:20:03.000 They say, well, this is kind of an obscure thing.
00:20:05.000 No, this is taught in schools all across the country.
00:20:08.000 They've been saying stuff like this without anyone stepping up, you know, to cross-examine them for quite some time.
00:20:14.000 But then it also begs the question, then if they have to edit the Bible, then the Bible is therefore a document of liberty and freedom.
00:20:25.000 It kind of proves the point that you and I have always made that the scriptures left intact, unedited, actually were the driving force for the abolitionist slavery.
00:20:34.000 If bad people edited the Bible and sent it to the West Indies, then therefore it shows that tyrants were afraid of the Bible.
00:20:43.000 Yeah, scripture is anti-type tyranny, which is why, as you mentioned earlier, all of these, you know, the Black Robe regimen, all of these early preachers were fueling independence because the scripture is about standing independently before God, your creator, and then saying, okay, this is the life I have to live, not dependent upon somebody else's random tyrannical, you know, demands, but before God himself.
00:21:09.000 And if I do that rightly, my home and my community and my village, my neighborhood will flourish when I'm standing before the great judge, not some petty judge that just wants my taxes.
00:21:20.000 Totally.
00:21:21.000 So Anthony, who's a good supporter of us at charliekirk.com/slash support, very wise guy.
00:21:27.000 I mean that.
00:21:27.000 He sends in some really good thoughts.
00:21:29.000 We have the best listeners, the people that send in just the most awesome.
00:21:32.000 I learned so much from our listeners.
00:21:33.000 People say, Charlie, how do you know?
00:21:35.000 I read all these emails at freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:21:38.000 We get some loony tunes at times.
00:21:39.000 We like those too.
00:21:40.000 We get some fruit loops and all sorts of people, but we get people that are so wise.
00:21:45.000 So he says this.
00:21:45.000 Great question.
00:21:46.000 I want to explore this with you, David.
00:21:48.000 Afternoon, Charlie, hope you're enjoying your trip to New York.
00:21:50.000 Yep.
00:21:51.000 I haven't been mugged yet.
00:21:53.000 You were stabbed on the subway.
00:21:55.000 Yep.
00:21:55.000 In 1776, when the Declaration of Independence was written, I take it that the United States was formed since that the United States, we told England that we are breaking away.
00:22:03.000 One reason for this is taxation without representation.
00:22:06.000 That is one of the reasons, not all of them. 0.97
00:22:06.000 That is true. 0.97
00:22:08.000 Now, anything prior to that, including 1619, we were still under England's rule.
00:22:14.000 My question, do people understand that everything before 1776, we followed England's rules and laws and we weren't our own country yet?
00:22:21.000 If I am mistaken, let me know.
00:22:23.000 I want to make sure I understand I have it correct.
00:22:25.000 So the only thing, Anthony, and a great question that I would say that you're not, you're not wrong, it's just not complete, is that we fought, we, we, I'm going to make sure I read the question here.
00:22:35.000 Okay, yeah.
00:22:36.000 So prior to anything, 1619, we were still under England's rule.
00:22:40.000 My question is, do people understand that everything?
00:22:41.000 No, not everything, that is not true.
00:22:43.000 So England, what gave a little, so really what started the American Revolution was the aftermath of the French-Indian War.
00:22:52.000 The aftermath of the French-Indian War caused this sort of border war between the United States and Great Britain, mainly because the United Kingdom or Britain at the time, it wasn't called the United Kingdom, they went really into debt and they inflated their currency to defeat the French Indian, and basically it was called the French Indian War, but we actually helped Britain.
00:23:14.000 George Washington fought alongside British soldiers.
00:23:18.000 And I think the French-Indian War was ended in 1763, if I'm not mistaken.
00:23:23.000 We can get an exact fact check on this.
00:23:25.000 And so when we did that, when we won that war, all of a sudden there was this tension point of, wait a second, why are we, how are we going to pay for the war?
00:23:36.000 Was it 1763?
00:23:37.000 Was that?
00:23:38.000 Hey, I'm actually pulling these dates out of.
00:23:41.000 Pretty good, Charlie.
00:23:42.000 Pretty impressive.
00:23:43.000 That was totally out of thin air.
00:23:43.000 I don't know.
00:23:44.000 So I get them wrong sometimes.
00:23:46.000 And so there is this tension point, Anthony, to answer your question of how are we going to govern ourselves.
00:23:52.000 So Britain comes in and they say, okay, now we have to pay for our war debt and we're going to keep the soldiers quartered in the American colonies.
00:24:00.000 This was one of the main complaints, by the way, in the Declaration.
00:24:03.000 If you read the Declaration that Thomas Jefferson wrote, he says, you guys have soldiers everywhere in peaceful times.
00:24:08.000 Why?
00:24:09.000 And what's the Third Amendment to the Constitution?
00:24:11.000 You cannot sold your quarters without reason or redress.
00:24:14.000 And some people read the Third Amendment today. 1.00
00:24:16.000 They're like, well, that's kind of stupid. 1.00
00:24:17.000 That was a big deal back then. 0.99
00:24:18.000 And so, Anthony, to answer your question, this is actually what started the American Revolution, was that the states or the colonies, the colony of Virginia, the colony of Massachusetts, the colony of Rhode Island, we were starting to kind of have these sort of continental compacts where we were starting to govern ourselves.
00:24:37.000 And we were saying, Britain, you don't speak for us anymore.
00:24:39.000 We can do this ourselves.
00:24:41.000 And so, Anthony, what ended up happening was this tension point that boiled over into the American Revolution.
00:24:46.000 Now, the fighting between America and Britain actually started before the Declaration.
00:24:52.000 Lexington and Concord, if I'm not mistaken, was 1774.
00:24:55.000 If I'm not mistaken, it was 1774 or 1775.
00:24:58.000 And a boiling point up before that, it was just kind of the official, it was almost, it was 1775?
00:25:04.000 Yeah.
00:25:05.000 It was before.
00:25:06.000 And so this was this, it was not everything.
00:25:10.000 I just want to make that very clear.
00:25:12.000 But we had a buildup, right?
00:25:14.000 So we had the Boston Tea Party.
00:25:16.000 We had, I don't want to say Alien Sedition Acts might have not been till then.
00:25:20.000 The point is that there was this slow motion, almost separation that eventually hit its breaking point in the summer of 1776.
00:25:29.000 But there was plenty of self-government happening.
00:25:32.000 For example, Vermont in the midst of the Revolutionary War abolished slavery.
00:25:37.000 We did that totally autonomously.
00:25:40.000 So Vermont, and this is a great talking point for your friends.
00:25:43.000 They might say, well, America was founded on slavery.
00:25:45.000 Then why was it that states were abolishing slavery before the Constitutional Convention?
00:25:49.000 Exactly.
00:25:50.000 We were doing that.
00:25:51.000 We were doing that autonomously outside of the rule of Britain.
00:25:54.000 So that's a great question, Anthony.
00:25:56.000 Thank you.
00:25:56.000 But it's not completely true to say that everything was under British rule.
00:26:01.000 But David, some of the practices of tyranny and authoritarianism can be actually attributed to British rule.
00:26:08.000 And we have to remember, you know, world history, the context of world history.
00:26:08.000 Sure.
00:26:13.000 And when we think about 1776, obviously it's fun to think about Britain as the bad guys. 0.87
00:26:17.000 And they were clearly.
00:26:18.000 But the whole world, all of the developed nations, Spain, Britain, France, everyone had slavery and everyone had a slave trade. 0.73
00:26:27.000 So yes, they were British practices that we brought over.
00:26:30.000 The church was trying to get rid of it.
00:26:32.000 And people influenced by the church, by Samuel Rutherford and other thinkers were saying, we need to do away with these idea with the practice of slavery because there's an eternal law and it's not just a local law.
00:26:44.000 There's not a king in charge.
00:26:45.000 There's God's law that's in charge.
00:26:47.000 And then when we started applying those principles and they were proliferating throughout our first colonies, we were finding that freedom was a primary, it was being developed and discovered like it had never been before in the history of the world.
00:27:03.000 And so it bled over into not only do we want to be free from England, but all people want to be free.
00:27:09.000 And that was a universal declaration.
00:27:11.000 And what's so important, and you just reminded me of something, is that the Declaration and the Constitution was written on this idea of universal natural law.
00:27:20.000 Aristotle started this conversation, but he stopped short by saying that all people are always under these principles.
00:27:26.000 The reason is that Aristotle, in his time that he lived, he was somewhat contained to northern Macedonia or Greece.
00:27:34.000 Cicero, who came after Aristotle, who was a one-year Roman consul and was killed and was butchered because he was way too effective.
00:27:41.000 He was kind of a sarcastic writer.
00:27:43.000 Because of Rome's dominance globally of what they knew is the globe, he traveled a lot.
00:27:49.000 He traveled from Gaul to the Middle East to Egypt.
00:27:53.000 And Cicero wrote, He said, All human beings live under these universal principles.
00:27:59.000 And so, Cicero, thousands of years before the Roman, the American founding from Rome, said, No, no, no, there's a universal natural law.
00:28:07.000 And so, Thomas Jefferson picked this up and said, Man, this is a big, this is a big step forward.
00:28:13.000 And he said, Right here, man, it becomes necessary when people dissolve ties.
00:28:17.000 But then he said, We hold these truths to be self-evident.
00:28:19.000 All men created equal, all men, not white men, not American men, but all men.
00:28:25.000 There is a universality to the American Declaration that is lost on the current intelligentsia.
00:28:31.000 If you ask the current professor core, such as Nicole Hannah Jones, let's play a little more to Nicole Hannah Jones. 0.99
00:28:36.000 She's kind of the super villain of today's episode.
00:28:38.000 Cut 97, Nicole Hannah Jones, and how Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration and he owned 130 people and how those people were not included in the founding documents.
00:28:47.000 And that's just not true.
00:28:48.000 Cut 97.
00:28:49.000 Our true founding was actually not 1776.
00:28:52.000 Our true founding was when we decided to engage in slavery because we know as Thomas Jefferson was writing the Declaration that we would issue to the world on July 4th, he owned 130 people. 0.81
00:29:02.000 And black Americans and slave people were not included in those founding documents or were not intended to enjoy the freedoms of the Constitution. 0.83
00:29:09.000 And we would argue that if you look across American life right now, almost nothing has been left untouched by that legacy.
00:29:16.000 Thomas Jefferson freed his slaves before his death, and Nicole Hannah Jones came in and get her history right.
00:29:20.000 She talks about Thomas Jefferson and the U.S. Constitution.
00:29:23.000 Thomas Jefferson was a critic of the U.S. Constitution.
00:29:25.000 So at least get your history right.
00:29:27.000 He eventually signed on to it and eventually freed the slaves. 1.00
00:29:30.000 But I wouldn't depend on Nicole Hannah Jones to be precise because she's a college professor, which means her goal is to pathologically teach her children to hate the country.
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00:31:19.000 Okay, there are so many questions here.
00:31:21.000 Okay, here's one.
00:31:22.000 Again, this is we celebrate the Constitution in September, but why not?
00:31:25.000 Was the Constitution written to protect the financial interests of the elites who wrote it? 0.99
00:31:30.000 Is this the garbage they're teaching? 0.99
00:31:31.000 I guess, I mean, I suppose yes. 0.98
00:31:34.000 The short answer is no, it wasn't written to protect the financial interests of the people who wrote it. 0.78
00:31:41.000 What could lead them to such a ridiculous accusation?
00:31:44.000 Right.
00:31:44.000 So anybody that's coming through college thinks that corporations, money, business is all bad.
00:31:51.000 They're all an evil.
00:31:52.000 And so if there's any financial incentive, that means all of your dealings were dark.
00:31:57.000 Well, most of us, every adult that has a job in the world, most of their life is functioning and working for financial incentives.
00:32:05.000 So of course, that was part of their life and part of what they were doing.
00:32:09.000 But it wasn't greed.
00:32:10.000 It was liberty.
00:32:11.000 They didn't want also, as you just mentioned, soldiers living in their house uninvited and unallowed.
00:32:16.000 They didn't want to live in tyranny.
00:32:19.000 You know, in the Garden of Eden, we see this picture before the fall of man, man was working in the cool of the day.
00:32:27.000 But in the Marxist kind of idea, all work is evil.
00:32:30.000 All work is corporate greed and narcissism and wickedness.
00:32:35.000 But from the biblical perspective, work is good and financial incentive is good.
00:32:40.000 It's a blessing as long as it doesn't become your God.
00:32:43.000 And so I'm still trying to struggle to see what their potential argument is because you take, for example, when you win a war in a traditional historical context, you don't want to give up power.
00:32:55.000 These are the first founders who won a war and they went out of their way to create a system that made themselves less powerful.
00:33:02.000 So this idea that they wrote a document just to protect their own financial interests is completely contrary to the actions of what they did after the war.
00:33:10.000 You see, they could have beat Great Britain and they could have said, haha, now we're going to create the Jeffersonian and Hamiltonian and Washingtonian ruling dynasties and we're going to rule through ancestral right.
00:33:21.000 And no one would have really questioned it.
00:33:22.000 They said, okay, yeah, we're used to that.
00:33:24.000 But instead, they said, no, we're going to create something completely different.
00:33:27.000 We're going to have a way that you could show up and you can have representation and consent to the government and independent judiciary.
00:33:32.000 We're going to have a process of which power is allocated and we can take power away.
00:33:37.000 That's the opposite of trying to protect some sort of financial incumbency.
00:33:41.000 Didn't most of the Constitutional Convention, because they were standing for liberty, lose their finances and lose their fortunes and get shot and killed in war and sacrifice literally their lives?
00:33:51.000 Well, let me prove it to you.
00:33:52.000 Who is George Washington's descendant right now?
00:33:56.000 I don't have an idea.
00:33:56.000 I don't know.
00:33:57.000 The point is that whatever wealth that they might have tried to preserve, it didn't work.
00:34:02.000 Meaning whatever land they thought they were going to preserve through the generations, no, liberty has a way to disrupt that.
00:34:08.000 There's a book written about the Constitutional Convention members and their sacrifice, creating the Constitution and forming the nation.
00:34:16.000 And I think it says the majority of them went bankrupt because they were putting their entire lives on the line to fight an empire to free the people of our nation from tyranny.
00:34:28.000 There was a beautiful letter written by one of the founding fathers after he signed the Declaration of Independence.
00:34:33.000 And just so you guys understand, this was written in the summer when most wars happen at a port city in Philadelphia against the greatest Navy ever assembled, the Navy of Great Britain.
00:34:43.000 They were basically poking Great Britain in the eye and they say, you know what?
00:34:46.000 We're going to sign this in a place where we know we could be found and we know we could be tortured.
00:34:50.000 And how does the Declaration of Independence end as we finish this episode and we remember one of the most, if not the most important document when it comes to self-government in history outside of anything that's in the Bible?
00:35:00.000 It ends with, we therefore, the representatives of the United States of America and General Congress assembled, appealing to who?
00:35:08.000 The supreme judge of the world.
00:35:12.000 For the rectitude of our intentions, they do, in the name and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare that these United Colonies are and right ought to be free and independent states.
00:35:23.000 And they finish and they say, Finally, we pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.
00:35:29.000 That's a really important line, though.
00:35:31.000 They pledge it to each other.
00:35:32.000 And they said, Hey, John Hancock, I'm going to have your back.
00:35:35.000 Hey, Ben Franklin, I have your back.
00:35:37.000 This is a compact.
00:35:38.000 Us 56 that are signing this.
00:35:40.000 And by the way, these are 56 important people.
00:35:43.000 These are 56 members of commerce and business, intelligentsia, faith, and finance, you name it.
00:35:50.000 These are the 56 of the most important people.
00:35:52.000 And they say, We're going to try to change history and we're going to pledge everything we have, our fortunes, and even something more important: that honor with the capital H is how the declaration ends.
00:36:04.000 Everybody, we live in the greatest nation ever, and it's because of a group of 56 people decided to put everything on the line and say our rights come from God, not from King George.
00:36:16.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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