The Charlie Kirk Show - Ask Charlie Anything 75: Founding Fathers & Drag Queens? What's Up With These Trump Judges? Who is the 'Father' of the New Left? And MORE!

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00:00:28.000 Would the founding fathers put up with transgender people, dudes in dresses, reading the children? 1.00

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00:01:28.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:49.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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00:02:44.000 So let's go to the first question.

00:02:45.000 Hey, Charlie, what do you think of the recent decision by Amy Coney Barrett in regards to vaccines?

00:02:54.000 Well, look, in regards to Amy Coney Barrett, I'm not going to lie, I'm very disappointed.

00:02:59.000 I'm deeply disappointed, but with the reading and the studying I've been doing, we shouldn't be that disappointed, not just about Amy Coney Barrett, but about the courts in general.

00:03:08.000 Alexis de Tocqueville, who is a phenomenal author, wrote a great book called Democracy in America.

00:03:15.000 He said that all issues will eventually be decided by the court.

00:03:20.000 All issues are, in fact, judicial issues.

00:03:24.000 Now, what does that mean?

00:03:25.000 Now, the third article of the United States Constitution talks about the judiciary, the Supreme Court of the United States.

00:03:32.000 And for years, conservatives have put, we have put our trust and our faith in an independent judiciary.

00:03:40.000 Now, mind you, this has not been a fool's errand.

00:03:43.000 Some of the Supreme Court victories that we have secured are going to last a lifetime.

00:03:48.000 But a common talking point amongst upper middle class Republican circles is that the most important thing a president will do is secure the Supreme Court.

00:03:58.000 That's probably right if the Supreme Court is listened to.

00:04:02.000 What happens if the Supreme Court is just ignored?

00:04:06.000 What happens if the Supreme Court makes bad decisions?

00:04:10.000 A major push by Senator Mitch McConnell throughout the years has been putting, has been trying to put in better judges with prudence to make decisions in alignment to the United States Constitution.

00:04:22.000 Now, to give Senator McConnell credit, this has been an upgrade versus Trent Lott when he was in the United States Senate.

00:04:31.000 We have far better judges than Trent Lott when Trent Lott was putting them into office.

00:04:36.000 So Amy Coney Barrett came out and she's in charge of a certain circuit court. 0.99

00:04:42.000 So the way it works is that every single one of the U.S. Supreme Court justices, they oversee a certain circuit court for emergency appeals.

00:04:50.000 They could decide to take them, write opinions on them.

00:04:52.000 It's not a final decision, but they all oversee that area.

00:04:56.000 They can block it, though.

00:04:58.000 So U.S. Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett refuses to block Indiana University's vaccine mandate for students.

00:05:06.000 She acted alone and gave no explanation.

00:05:08.000 Now, she's from Indiana.

00:05:10.000 She's also a practicing Catholic.

00:05:13.000 Why the inaction?

00:05:15.000 Well, it's a couple reasons.

00:05:16.000 Number one, this is a tough fight.

00:05:19.000 Don't count on the court to pick tough fights where the political will of a nation is not in alignment.

00:05:26.000 Alexander Hamilton famously predicted this.

00:05:29.000 He said, the courts will almost never challenge public opinion.

00:05:34.000 And we know this throughout history. 0.85

00:05:36.000 I mean, the courts made a terrible decision in the Dred Scott decision, 7-2, 7 Democrats, two Republicans as dissenting, because public opinion was that blacks were not humans at the time, an awful and disgusting and evil decision.

00:05:49.000 As time progressed and public opinion changed, the courts reversed their decision.

00:05:53.000 Oh, actually, no, just kidding.

00:05:55.000 We believe that all humans are created equal.

00:05:58.000 If they just would have listened to the tenets of the United States Constitution and Declaration of Independence, they wouldn't have had to do some sort of movement in the Dred Scott decision to come to that kind of conclusion.

00:06:09.000 But instead, the courts conform to public opinion.

00:06:13.000 How about Griswold v. Connecticut?

00:06:16.000 Griswold v. Connecticut was around birth control.

00:06:19.000 It was the last state to fall when it came to the pill.

00:06:23.000 Public opinion very much in favor of allowing the pill.

00:06:27.000 The courts allowed it to happen.

00:06:29.000 How about Roe v. Wade and the Doe case that accompanied it?

00:06:34.000 Public opinion said abortion should be safe, legal, and rare, and the courts let it happen. 0.99

00:06:38.000 How about Planned Parenthood v. Casey?

00:06:40.000 Mikey can check this.

00:06:41.000 I think it was 1992 was Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

00:06:44.000 Famous Justice Anthony Kennedy's interpretive clause.

00:06:49.000 Life is what you want it to be.

00:06:51.000 I'm not going to tell you that there's one way to live on the other.

00:06:54.000 92, 19, I was right, 1992.

00:06:57.000 The courts conform to the people.

00:07:01.000 Now, this is something that we as conservatives don't talk about enough.

00:07:05.000 We think that the courts are going to make sober and fair and unbiased decisions regardless of the clamoring or the chattering class. 1.00

00:07:13.000 Hamilton never thought, never thought this was in the case.

00:07:16.000 He wrote about this in the Federalist Papers, and he wrote about this in his private journals.

00:07:20.000 And Alexander Hamilton was actually a ghostwriter for a lot of George Washington's speeches in his second term of his presidency.

00:07:28.000 Now, the idea of judicial review came in thanks to Marbury versus Madison, which really kind of enshrined this idea that the Supreme Court is a co-equal branch of government.

00:07:40.000 The Supreme Court has the ability to have a check and balance against tyrants and despots or unconstitutional measures from the legislature.

00:07:49.000 As we've covered extensively in a previous episode of our podcast, Joe Biden has just basically said, I don't care what the Supreme Court says, I am going to do what I believe is right.

00:08:01.000 Let Roberts send his army.

00:08:04.000 Let Marshall send his army, as Andrew Jackson said in Wooster v. Beaver v. Georgia.

00:08:09.000 A lot of people debate whether he said it or not, but the essence definitely fits Andrew Jackson's persona.

00:08:16.000 So I guess we're left with this question, what do we do?

00:08:20.000 Here's a big lesson for conservatives.

00:08:22.000 We have to cut it with the messianic complex of politics.

00:08:27.000 What does that mean?

00:08:28.000 It means we as conservatives like to outsource our hope to other people.

00:08:33.000 Oh, Donald Trump's going to solve everything.

00:08:35.000 He's going to come in on Air Force One and the country will be made great again.

00:08:40.000 That if we just get the right people in the Supreme Court, that's going to turn the nation around.

00:08:46.000 We know that's not true.

00:08:47.000 We know that outsourcing our hope to a group of people, if you have your hope in people, you will be let down.

00:08:56.000 Here's a news flash.

00:08:57.000 You get a leader like Lincoln and Churchill once every hundred years.

00:09:02.000 We were lucky to have in one generation both Reagan, Thatcher, and Churchill.

00:09:08.000 Eisenhower would be an addition to that.

00:09:10.000 Most of our leaders are gutless wonders compared to Lincoln, Churchill, Thatcher, and Reagan.

00:09:16.000 So just going all in on one person is doomed to fail.

00:09:19.000 Just look at the Roman Empire.

00:09:20.000 You know what happens when you have a great emperor like Marcus Aurelius?

00:09:24.000 Great emperors usually have really bad kids like Commodus, and the whole empire starts to fall apart.

00:09:29.000 It can work for a moment, but there's no sustainability to it.

00:09:33.000 Now, I'm not saying that Amy Coney Barrett or Brett Kavanaugh or Neil Gorsuch are Roman emperors, but they have a lot of power.

00:09:41.000 And we haven't invested as the conservative movement too much in individuals.

00:09:46.000 Now, I'm glad the Supreme Court has a majority.

00:09:50.000 I'm glad that we're going to at least have some sort of a check and balance on Joe Biden's activism.

00:09:56.000 But we're going to get let down more and more.

00:09:59.000 Now, maybe things will change, but Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh, Neil Gorsuch, to a lesser extent, and definitely not Clarence Thomas.

00:10:09.000 Let me make sure I clarify this.

00:10:11.000 Clarence Thomas is an American hero.

00:10:13.000 You want to talk about someone who never cares about what the other side has to say about him?

00:10:17.000 Clarence Thomas.

00:10:19.000 Clarence Thomas, 10 out of 10.

00:10:20.000 Alito, 9 out of 10.

00:10:23.000 Gorsuch, 8 out of 10.

00:10:25.000 Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, T-B-D.

00:10:29.000 We don't know.

00:10:30.000 We all thought Brett Kavanaugh was going to come on the scene because the left slandered him so much.

00:10:34.000 Well, he's been okay on certain decisions, but not great.

00:10:39.000 And Amy Coney Barrett has been lackluster at best.

00:10:42.000 Now, she had an opportunity to intervene and say, experimental medicine cannot be forced upon the students of the great state of Indiana.

00:10:52.000 And instead, Amy Coney Barrett said, no, it's perfectly fine.

00:10:55.000 It's perfectly okay for the state to be able to mandate experimental medicine on children.

00:11:03.000 18-year-old, 19-year-olds, but you get the point.

00:11:06.000 How is that a limited government value?

00:11:09.000 It's not.

00:11:10.000 So to answer your question, and it's a longer answer than the question probably expected.

00:11:15.000 And thank you for Cynthia from North Dakota for asking that.

00:11:17.000 The hope must be in your own action.

00:11:19.000 It must be in truth.

00:11:21.000 Not just a singular human being is going to swoop in and save the entire thing.

00:11:27.000 A lot of people ask me, Charlie, how do you know so much about American history?

00:11:31.000 The answer is not from school.

00:11:34.000 As many of you know, I did not go to formal college, actually.

00:11:37.000 I didn't go to college at all.

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00:14:28.000 Here's a really good question from somebody.

00:14:30.000 And I'm going to kind of paraphrase it because it was a very long question.

00:14:33.000 Nathan from South Carolina.

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00:14:41.000 You email us your question, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:14:44.000 The essence of the question is basically this, which is that where do we find our hope at this present moment?

00:14:54.000 What can we possibly do to try to change things in our favor?

00:15:00.000 So I think a really important thing we don't talk about enough, I was just having this conversation with some wonderful Claremont Institute people, is we don't talk enough about the vulnerabilities and the weak spots of the left.

00:15:12.000 We don't talk about where they can be challenged and defeated easiest.

00:15:20.000 We almost only talk about the disadvantages we're experiencing.

00:15:23.000 Well, we don't control academia.

00:15:25.000 We don't control Hollywood.

00:15:26.000 We don't control Congress.

00:15:27.000 We don't control the FBI.

00:15:29.000 We don't control the CIA.

00:15:31.000 So the question is, what are the weak points of the other side?

00:15:34.000 Number one, they're unbelievably paranoid.

00:15:37.000 They're the most paranoid winners, I put that in quotes, that we've ever seen in American history.

00:15:44.000 They don't really seem content as if they won something fairly and freely.

00:15:48.000 Here's a lesson.

00:15:49.000 This is eternal knowledge, not just practical knowledge.

00:15:52.000 Paranoid people don't rule for long. 0.99

00:15:55.000 Let me say that again.

00:15:57.000 Paranoid people do not rule for long. 0.94

00:16:03.000 Some of the biggest problems we obviously have is alienation, how they stigmatize us.

00:16:08.000 They categorize us as insurrectionists.

00:16:10.000 We're up against woke capital. 0.81

00:16:12.000 But we know the solutions to these things.

00:16:14.000 We need to create new community and fraternity.

00:16:17.000 The Republican Party needs to get a backbone and not negotiate multi-trillion dollar infrastructure packages, $1.2 trillion infrastructure packages of the opposition.

00:16:27.000 Build new actual infrastructure, not this fake infrastructure of nonprofits and groups that are willing to stand up and contest for things.

00:16:35.000 We need to lift up new leaders.

00:16:36.000 We already know about all that.

00:16:38.000 Develop new technology and change the frame of the debate of the conversation we're actually having in the country.

00:16:44.000 But there's something even more fundamental that needs to happen than all of this.

00:16:48.000 Is that a war is never won by strictly playing defense.

00:16:53.000 A war is won by playing offense.

00:16:57.000 I have hope that we can win because the conservative movement is finally talking seriously about playing offense.

00:17:09.000 If Joe Biden would have won everything perfectly, fairly and squarely, which of course is not true, I don't think the conservative movement would be in that position.

00:17:17.000 But when something is stolen from you, all of a sudden you have a completely different mindset.

00:17:23.000 We are going to avenge what happened to us.

00:17:27.000 That's a pretty healthy thing.

00:17:29.000 Now, I want to be very clear.

00:17:32.000 I do not believe in optimism for optimism's sake.

00:17:36.000 I do not believe in delusions.

00:17:41.000 Some people say, well, tomorrow everything's going to get fixed tomorrow.

00:17:43.000 That's probably not the case.

00:17:45.000 But I will say this.

00:17:47.000 I will say that there's a shock coming.

00:17:52.000 I don't know what it's going to look like.

00:17:54.000 I don't know where it's going to come from.

00:17:56.000 But there's a shock and a equal and opposite reaction that's about to get ushered against the American ruling class.

00:18:03.000 They can feel it in the air.

00:18:05.000 That's why they're preemptively striking you.

00:18:07.000 That's why they have all these fake and phony commissions in Washington, D.C. That's why they have to categorize half the country's insurrectionists.

00:18:16.000 We're going to see this in a variety of different ways.

00:18:18.000 The school board uprising in America absolutely gives me hope.

00:18:22.000 It's not a Democrat or Republican thing.

00:18:24.000 It's not a conservative or liberal thing.

00:18:25.000 It's a reclamation of power.

00:18:30.000 That's what conservatives have to start talking about.

00:18:32.000 We don't like talking about that because we don't like power.

00:18:34.000 We get very worried that power is going to corrupt.

00:18:36.000 For us, we'd rather serve at the church, build a business, raise our kids, retire, golf.

00:18:41.000 These are very important things.

00:18:43.000 Golf debatable.

00:18:44.000 But the point is that these are important things for people to do.

00:18:49.000 But all of a sudden, if we get in the power business, like, you know what?

00:18:53.000 I actually want to be in charge.

00:18:55.000 You know what?

00:18:56.000 I do want to have a say in the type of education my kids are experiencing.

00:19:00.000 You know what?

00:19:00.000 You're not going to mask my kid.

00:19:02.000 All of a sudden, the left is going to be very, and let me say this again, emphasize this for point, very worried because their church, their golf, their business, their children was just political power.

00:19:18.000 So whether we like it or not, we're living in a Marxist-created power struggle.

00:19:25.000 We are in charge.

00:19:26.000 You are not.

00:19:27.000 Your children are going to get masked.

00:19:29.000 Parents are saying, no, they're not.

00:19:29.000 And guess what?

00:19:31.000 We're still in charge.

00:19:33.000 That's something we have not seen in decades.

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00:22:19.000 I got a question about: hey, Charlie, who's the author of the new left?

00:22:23.000 Who's behind all of this?

00:22:25.000 It's a really important question.

00:22:27.000 Now, there isn't a single person.

00:22:28.000 You can go to Karl Marx.

00:22:29.000 You can go to Hegel and the Hegelian dialectic and the long march through institutions and a German historicist view of our experience and our existence.

00:22:43.000 But there is one person that every conservative should become familiar with.

00:22:49.000 Now, I want to give a hat tip to the great Newt Gingrich.

00:22:52.000 Newt Gingrich did something back in 2012 where he insistently introduced the author and the activist Saul Alinsky into the mainstream of the conservative movement.

00:23:06.000 When I go to Republican Lincoln Reagan Day dinners, when I go to tea party meetings, which really don't exist anymore, when I go to any sort of function and I say Saul Olinski, I'd say 70 or 80% of the room knows who I'm talking about.

00:23:18.000 Now, actually, I've been going across the country speaking at churches.

00:23:22.000 You'd be amazed at how few churches know who Saul Linsky is.

00:23:24.000 A man who wrote Rules for Radicals, 13 Rules.

00:23:27.000 We've covered them extensively on this show.

00:23:29.000 And the dedication of that book was to Lucifer, who he said was the first ever rebel.

00:23:35.000 You're trying to tell me we're not in a spiritual war?

00:23:37.000 Oh, Charlie, it's just a bunch of matter versus matter.

00:23:40.000 No, it's not.

00:23:40.000 It's a spiritual war.

00:23:42.000 They admit it's a spiritual war.

00:23:44.000 Now, the man who is the architect of a lot of the chaos you're living through, the man who is largely responsible for a lot of the academic backing of what we're seeing is a man by the name of Herbert Marcuse.

00:24:06.000 He was from the Frankfurt School.

00:24:08.000 He was a communist that was kicked out of the Frankfurt School in Germany, found a safe space in the United States of America.

00:24:16.000 He taught at Harvard, Columbia, Brandeis, and eventually settled at the University of San Diego.

00:24:23.000 He was the architect of what is now known as the New Left.

00:24:30.000 It's very helpful to study history.

00:24:32.000 We do that a lot on this program.

00:24:34.000 History can be our guide.

00:24:37.000 I believe history changed right around 1960 as soon as the new left started to get power.

00:24:43.000 Students for a Democrat Society, which eventually became Weather Underground, run by William Ayres, a terrorist who became a college professor and still is a college professor at University of Illinois, Chicago.

00:24:53.000 Bernardine Dorn, they tried to bomb federal buildings, legitimate insurrectionists, and then they became professors to go teach your children because they started to realize and recognize you have to be much more patient than just blowing buildings up.

00:25:06.000 The kind of wise, aged statesman, I use those words ironically because he was anything but wise.

00:25:14.000 I guess he was aged, was Herbert Marcuse.

00:25:17.000 Came from Germany.

00:25:18.000 He was the man who clarified the adolescence that was inherent in 1960s leftism.

00:25:27.000 Now, a lot of you might be saying, Charlie, what does that to do with now?

00:25:30.000 Every single one of his propositions was adopted and has been implemented by the people who are educating your children, running the FBI, running the CIA.

00:25:40.000 And yes, even Joe Biden and John Kerry are in some ways disciples of Herbert Marcuse.

00:25:47.000 So Herbert Marcuse wrote a very famous essay called Repressive Tolerance.

00:25:54.000 Now, if you really want to confuse yourself, go read Repressive Tolerance.

00:26:00.000 I read it so you didn't have to.

00:26:03.000 There's a series of these essays that happened in the 1960s where, again, my argument is that this changed things permanently.

00:26:11.000 The 1960s of black feminism, of second-wave feminism, of identity politics, it changed the way we did American politics for so long that now here we are 60 years later, finally feeling the implemented effects of it. 0.85

00:26:27.000 That's how long it took for us to finally wake up and go to a school board meeting and say something about it.

00:26:33.000 So Herbert Marcuse wrote a series of books as well.

00:26:36.000 He wrote a book called One-Dimensional Man.

00:26:39.000 I'm not going to get into that right now.

00:26:41.000 He also wrote a book called Eros and Civilization.

00:26:45.000 Mikey can fact check me out on that fact, just clarify that.

00:26:48.000 I think it's Eros and Civilization.

00:26:50.000 Eros, one of the Greek forms of love.

00:26:52.000 There's Storge, Phileo, Eros, and Agape.

00:26:57.000 Storge is a love between a mother and a father.

00:27:01.000 Eros is a romantic type love, a sexual type love.

00:27:05.000 Phileo is a brotherly love.

00:27:08.000 I'm oversimplifying this, by the way, just so everyone's clear.

00:27:11.000 The Greek types of love have been written extensively by Christian theologians for years.

00:27:16.000 My pastor Rob McCoy talks about this rather eloquently, but I'm summarizing.

00:27:20.000 But Marcuse said the most important part of human existence is the Eros, the romantic, the sexual drive.

00:27:26.000 And until we sexually revolutionize society, you're not actually free.

00:27:32.000 So Herbert Marcuse argued that we are all living in a tyrannical society.

00:27:37.000 He said this in the 1960s.

00:27:39.000 He said, we're living in a tyrannical society because, for example, people call themselves men and call themselves women, and no one told them to do that.

00:27:50.000 That social norms and customs are actually repressing people.

00:27:53.000 This is why he called it repressive tolerance.

00:27:56.000 Herbert Marcuse believed in a thing called frame theory, in an unlimited amount of ways to interpret existence.

00:28:02.000 He believed that as soon as people are able to do whatever they want to do, however they want to do it sexually, then men or mankind will reach its highest level of existence.

00:28:12.000 This is where we get the transgender debate from, the abortion debate from.

00:28:15.000 This is where we get the birth control debate from, or argument from.

00:28:19.000 It's where a lot of these ideas started to germinate.

00:28:24.000 So Herbert Marcuse wrote this article, Repressive Tolerance, which kind of gave a lot of credibility to what is best known as the Port Huron statement by the adolescent Apparatchic left that wasn't really sure what they were saying, but they knew something was wrong and they were willing to do something about it.

00:28:45.000 And there's one part of this article that I want to focus on, which I think is exactly where we are headed right now.

00:28:53.000 There's one part of this article by the grandfather of the new left, Herbert Marcuse, that really we're seeing right now.

00:29:02.000 Now, before I go any further, Herbert Marcuse had disciples, like Socrates taught Plato, Plato taught Aristotle, Aristotle taught Alexander the Great.

00:29:09.000 Now, those were all very virtuous people.

00:29:12.000 Not so virtuous is the disciple of Herbert Marcuse, a woman by the name of Angela Davis.

00:29:19.000 I have a personal mission to, quote, make Angela Davis famous again.

00:29:25.000 Angela Davis needs to be known by every American conservative family. 1.00

00:29:30.000 If you don't know who Angela Davis is, you are not playing on the terms of their debate.

00:29:34.000 Angela Davis is a bitter, angry, need to be careful what other words I use, clever, treacherous, deceitful, yet highly effective academic who is a devout Marxist and communist.

00:29:49.000 Angela Davis, I think she still teaches in the UC system.

00:29:52.000 We can check that out.

00:29:53.000 She was the heir apparent to Herbert Marcuse.

00:29:57.000 In fact, there's actually videos you can look up online between the two.

00:30:00.000 So Marcuse wrote this.

00:30:03.000 He said, where society has entered the phase of total administration and indoctrination, let's stop there.

00:30:10.000 What did he mean by total administration and indoctrination?

00:30:13.000 He said, once the civil service and the bureaucracies and the colleges and the media are controlling everything and we've indoctrinated everyone, then this is about to happen.

00:30:24.000 This would then be a small number indeed, and not necessarily that of elected representatives of people.

00:30:34.000 He's calling for an oligarchy.

00:30:37.000 And this is something that I've been trying to warn conservatives about the last couple years, and I think they're finally starting to get it.

00:30:44.000 Quite honestly, it took years for me to get it.

00:30:48.000 It's like, shake people.

00:30:49.000 I'm like, you don't understand what's happening.

00:30:51.000 A lot of them are finally getting it.

00:30:52.000 Is that there is this lie in liberalism that everyone is going to be co-equally neutral to your opinion.

00:31:01.000 What Marcuse talks about in this essay, which I'm not going to get into all the details, is, hey, if we have ideas that we know are right, like sexual liberation and allowing children to be sexually active, which he believed was a moral good.

00:31:17.000 And you could read his essay, he talks about it, then we should shut up the people that disagree with us.

00:31:23.000 Why would we give the other side a chance to talk?

00:31:25.000 Free speech is an aberration.

00:31:27.000 Herbert Marcuse and all of his disciples said, We need a quote educational dictatorship.

00:31:34.000 That's Fauci.

00:31:38.000 That's Joe Biden.

00:31:40.000 That's Kamala Harris. 0.98

00:31:42.000 That's Nancy Pelosi.

00:31:43.000 Educational dictatorship.

00:31:46.000 The experts are in charge.

00:31:48.000 Uprooting the Western order as we know it.

00:31:51.000 No, no, no.

00:31:52.000 We're going to use our credentials.

00:31:54.000 We're going to use our earned credibility or given credibility to dominate you.

00:32:01.000 Free speech is a construct.

00:32:03.000 We're in charge.

00:32:06.000 You see, we're going to talk about this coming up shortly because there's a question about this around free speech.

00:32:11.000 And I'm going to really make you think about free speech.

00:32:13.000 We had Michael Moes on our podcast.

00:32:14.000 It was a phenomenal discussion.

00:32:16.000 He definitely made me think deeply about some of these things.

00:32:19.000 And so did Sohra Amari, who we have a podcast on as well, is what if the left played us on the free speech issue?

00:32:26.000 What if the left used free speech as a bridge to get to this educational dictatorship that Herbert Marcuse talked about?

00:32:36.000 People say, Charlie, what can I do to save the country?

00:32:40.000 How could you possibly know how to save the country if you don't know who you're up against?

00:32:47.000 Go study Angela Davis, Herbert Marcuse, Saul Linsky.

00:32:51.000 Mikey reminded me something that I did know.

00:32:54.000 I didn't forget.

00:32:54.000 I just forgot to mention it.

00:32:57.000 Hillary Clinton wrote her senior thesis on Saul Linsky.

00:33:00.000 That is exactly right.

00:33:02.000 Also, Saul Linsky was a mentor to Barack Hussein Obama.

00:33:06.000 Educational dictatorship is what we're entering.

00:33:09.000 Another question here from Alan, kind of the similar type thing.

00:33:11.000 Then I want to get to my drag queen and the founding fathers defense, which I think is really important.

00:33:17.000 Kind of Alan asks this question: well, Charlie, shouldn't we be the ambassadors of free speech?

00:33:21.000 Of course we should be.

00:33:22.000 As long as the other side honors free speech.

00:33:25.000 If we're the ambassadors of neutrality and they're the ones shutting us up, how do you get them to stop doing that?

00:33:31.000 A great example I could do is this, and this is something that we got to reprogram our politicians to understand the moment that we are in.

00:33:38.000 I don't say this stuff lightly.

00:33:39.000 As I've said, we're in the midst of a power struggle.

00:33:41.000 We have to understand this.

00:33:43.000 Rules that are not enforced are not taken seriously.

00:33:47.000 As I've said before, I've used this example.

00:33:49.000 When I go and board American Airlines, if I don't wear a mask, I know I will get kicked off the plane and I will be cited.

00:33:56.000 Rule enforcement.

00:33:59.000 Now, when the other side breaks the law, they're like, yeah, whatever.

00:34:01.000 No one's going to enforce this.

00:34:03.000 Rule, no enforcement.

00:34:06.000 A power struggle is only actually a power struggle when the other side respects you.

00:34:11.000 And the reason why they are so hyper-aggressive is they're trying to obliterate us until we wake up and realize that we actually control more governor's mansions than them, that we control more state legislatures than them, that we control more attorney generals than them, that there's probably more of us than them.

00:34:24.000 They're terrified at the awakening.

00:34:25.000 That's why they have to shut up Tucker Carlson. 1.00

00:34:27.000 Spy on him.

00:34:28.000 Discredit him.

00:34:29.000 Rush an agent.

00:34:30.000 That's why they have to kick Trump off Twitter.

00:34:32.000 The only thing standing in the way of their power grab is us realizing we have more power than they do.

00:34:40.000 They're a mile wide and an inch thick.

00:34:43.000 Okay, so drag queens. 1.00

00:34:45.000 A lot of people email us this question.

00:34:47.000 I guess I went viral this week.

00:34:49.000 I do that every week unintentionally.

00:34:51.000 I said something rather vanilla that my friend Matt Peterson from the Claremont Institute, super smart guy.

00:34:57.000 We're going to have him on our podcast very soon.

00:34:59.000 Said, he said this in one of our sessions, and I didn't steal it because it's just true.

00:35:04.000 And I should have given him credit.

00:35:06.000 He didn't really care.

00:35:07.000 He was actually defending me on Twitter.

00:35:08.000 He said something, and I wrote it down, and then I said it again on our podcast and our radio show, where he said, look, if Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington saw Drag Queen Story Hour happening in their local library, they'd mobilize the Minutemen.

00:35:22.000 It's like, of course that's true.

00:35:23.000 So I said that 700,000 views later on Twitter, people are losing their mind.

00:35:29.000 And so here's just one example that, again, you shouldn't have to prove obvious things.

00:35:33.000 I guess you do.

00:35:34.000 There were laws prohibiting cross-dressing originated in the colonial era, often drawing on biblical teachings and also serving the needs of society that were ordered among gendered hierarchies.

00:35:43.000 In the late 19th, early 20th centuries, psychologists developed the term transvestite and transsexual to denote individuals who wish to change their gender either physically or via clothing or social comportment.

00:35:54.000 Now, let me be very clear.

00:35:56.000 The special perversity of drag queen story hour is not just the transgender part. 1.00

00:36:02.000 That's perverse. 0.77

00:36:02.000 Trust me. 0.77

00:36:03.000 Very, these people need Jesus.

00:36:05.000 These people need order.

00:36:06.000 I'm going to pray for their salvation, like that very sad person who's marching around the White House with a dress on, whoever that person is.

00:36:13.000 The guy in the dress with the long fingernails.

00:36:15.000 The perversity is that you're doing it to children. 0.92

00:36:18.000 That's sick.

00:36:19.000 Herbert Marcuse in the new left says that's perfectly fine.

00:36:23.000 Drag queen story hour should be outlawed in every single library across the country because it preys on children. 1.00

00:36:29.000 That's the whole argument around that.

00:36:31.000 The founding fathers would have zero tolerance for, first of all, cross-dressing. 1.00

00:36:35.000 Second of all, transgenderism. 0.54

00:36:36.000 Third of all, doing that to children.

00:36:38.000 Now, some of you might be saying, Charlie, what is drag queen story hour?

00:36:40.000 Not everyone is as well read into this as we are.

00:36:44.000 There is a movement afoot in the United States where transgender people, gender-confused, gender-dysphoric people, go to libraries and get licenses or permission, permits, permits is a better word, to go conduct storytelling hour in full drag in front of five, six, and seven-year-olds.

00:37:09.000 And the debate on the right, and it was between David French and Saurabh Amari, happened a couple years ago, and Saurabh totally red-pilled me on this, is that this should be illegal.

00:37:19.000 And some conservatives are like, oh, no, no, no.

00:37:21.000 If you make Drag Queen Story Hour illegal, next they'll come for the church. 1.00

00:37:25.000 First of all, they're already coming for the church.

00:37:27.000 Second of all, stop making a moral comparison between worshiping your creator and doing a moral good and being a perv at the local library wearing a dress as a dude.

00:37:35.000 Two totally different things.

00:37:37.000 But the Constitution protects even the worst cut types of speech.

00:37:41.000 Yeah, that's your modern reading of the Constitution.

00:37:44.000 The Founding Fathers were very clear.

00:37:46.000 I could read one after the other.

00:37:47.000 I'll read this one.

00:37:48.000 We talked about licentiousness before.

00:37:50.000 How about this one?

00:37:51.000 Norwich Packet Editorial July 1787.

00:37:54.000 General, genuine liberty terminates in licentiousness.

00:38:00.000 It's a conservative position to say it should be illegal to wear drag and prey on little children in the library. 0.86

00:38:06.000 And the founding fathers would agree.

00:38:08.000 And just to add on to that question, I mean, Paul from New Hampshire asked us this question.

00:38:12.000 Emailed us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:38:15.000 He said, Charlie, what are some more of the examples from the colonial era?

00:38:18.000 Well, you can go to the Virginia Constitution itself.

00:38:20.000 Let me tell you about Thomas Jefferson, right?

00:38:21.000 So Thomas Jefferson was against sodomy laws.

00:38:24.000 You can have your opinion on sodomy laws.

00:38:26.000 Now, by the way, most of the sodomy laws were for public displays of sodomy. 0.89

00:38:30.000 People are like, they're going door to door going after gay people.

00:38:32.000 That's just not true, okay?

00:38:34.000 Now, you could think whatever you want to sodomy laws, but just at least be honest, okay?

00:38:37.000 Don't say something that isn't true.

00:38:39.000 So Thomas Jefferson was considered a moderate, right? 0.98

00:38:41.000 So some of the founding fathers said we should execute and kill people for publicly doing sodomy in the streets. 0.98

00:38:47.000 Thomas Jefferson said, no, no, no. 0.98

00:38:49.000 I have a much more moderate position. 0.68

00:38:50.000 I think we should castrate them.

00:38:53.000 Just give you an idea of how socially conservative the founders were.

00:38:56.000 Now, I'm not advocating for that.

00:38:57.000 I'm not saying that's a good idea.

00:38:59.000 I am saying, though, the founding fathers designed the system we have with strict moral guidelines because they thought liberty, the pursuit of virtue, was only possible when people had the framework set in place to be able to do that.

00:39:12.000 This idea of the John Lennon founders, that they were all just a bunch of like LSD dropping, you know, drunks that were totally and completely morally questionable is revisionist.

00:39:24.000 George Washington was one of the most pious, loyally married, careful, religiously obedient people ever in the American founding.

00:39:34.000 There's tons of other examples here.

00:39:35.000 I could read Publius Federalist 16 says here, Federalist number 16, December 1787, ministers of the law land from whatever source it might emanate would doubtless be as ready to guard the national as the level local regulations from the inroads of private licentiousness.

00:39:53.000 Licentiousness is mostly in the sexual domain or the morally questionable domain, but it means having no guidelines, doing what you want.

00:40:01.000 And by the way, you can be licentious in financial behavior and licentious in moral behavior.

00:40:07.000 How about this?

00:40:08.000 Atticus 4, December 1787.

00:40:10.000 Of this, I'm secure, that we shall soon have an effective government.

00:40:13.000 The rich, the wise, the brave, the industrious, and the enterprising.

00:40:16.000 However, I'm sure they will not be content to lie at the mercy of the idle and the licentious and be prey of happy speculators.

00:40:28.000 Page after page of how the founding fathers were not just these free-loving libertarians.

00:40:34.000 No, they believed in moral order because they cared about things that were beautiful, good, and true, and they wanted to preserve the country.

00:40:39.000 The new way that we read the founders is so deceiving.

00:40:42.000 Now, was there an element of kind of social libertarianism?

00:40:46.000 Yeah, Thomas Jefferson embodied that in some of his writings.

00:40:49.000 By calling for castration and not for murder of sodomites.

00:40:53.000 Just so we're clear.

00:40:53.000 Again, not favoring those things.

00:40:55.000 Just know your history.

00:40:56.000 Don't pervert it.

00:40:58.000 I can go example after example here of Constitution at the time.

00:41:03.000 Fabius, February 1788.

00:41:05.000 Licentiousness and enthusiasm are the ruling principles of the anti-Federists and Kent Federalists and cannot be doubted, talking about Thomas Jefferson.

00:41:13.000 By their false alarms of offended justice and endangered liberty, they assume the right of corrupting each other.

00:41:19.000 Sounds like today.

00:41:21.000 And like fanatics in religion, working themselves up into enthusiastic zeal.

00:41:27.000 How about the editorial from the Newport Herald?

00:41:30.000 The indolent and the abandoned and the offscoring, this is 1788, the offscoring of the earth who have no prospects but in the state of anarchy where marauders, freebooters, knaves, and the licensed are encouraged.

00:41:42.000 They didn't really like licentiousness.

00:41:44.000 They wrote about this quite a lot.

00:41:47.000 The point is this.

00:41:49.000 You want things that last.

00:41:52.000 Do you want things that just happen for a moment and then go away?

00:41:55.000 Well, things that last require rules.

00:41:58.000 That's why you have rules in sporting events.

00:42:01.000 It's why you have rules for any sort of institution.

00:42:04.000 For example, you can't go into church and just start screaming.

00:42:07.000 You can't wear a bathing suit to church.

00:42:09.000 Rules actually make certain experiences more desirable. 1.00

00:42:14.000 Now, stupid rules and voluminous rules and laws, as James Madison would say, is an act of tyranny. 0.98

00:42:20.000 That's why you have to use prudence, practical judgment, wisdom, of which our rulers do not have. 0.99

00:42:28.000 Virginia Convention, 1788, Lee said, it was necessary to provide against licentiousness, which is so natural to our climate.

00:42:35.000 I dread for the more licentiousness of the people than from the bad government of the rulers.

00:42:40.000 I fear more of people being morally questionable than the rulers going nuts.

00:42:46.000 Patrick Henry, mixed bag, not exactly an adopter of the Constitution early.

00:42:54.000 From his then situation, King George could have furnished us with the instances in which licentiousness trampled on the laws.

00:43:02.000 I don't think I need to make my point any further, but for any of you questioning me, which there were plenty of people emailing me, the founding fathers were libertarians.

00:43:10.000 I got 17 pages to show you they believed in a transcendent moral order.

00:43:14.000 Now, their religious personal views varied from the most, let's say, editorialized would be Thomas Jefferson.

00:43:26.000 The most deist would be Ben Franklin.

00:43:28.000 But don't question the moral piety of Adams, Quincy Adams, especially.

00:43:34.000 Washington.

00:43:35.000 Hamilton, too.

00:43:37.000 Love getting your questions, everybody.

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00:43:46.000 Share this episode with your friends, how the founding fathers had to mobilize the Minutemen against transgender people reading stories to children, which should be a conservative position. 0.97

00:43:54.000 That is a no-brainer.

00:43:56.000 That is not speech.

00:43:57.000 That's predatory behavior.

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00:44:07.000 God bless you guys.

00:44:08.000 Talk to you soon.

00:44:12.000 So first of all, why study history?

00:44:14.000 It comes from a Greek word means inquiry, looking into things.

00:44:19.000 The first book of history was written by Herodotus.

00:44:21.000 It's called The Histories.

00:44:23.000 It's a story of the past.

00:44:25.000 And of course, not everything in the past, significant things in the past, things that we can learn from, things that stand for something.

00:44:32.000 It's just a piece, really, of this wish that we have to understand.

00:44:36.000 In his metaphysics, Aristotle says in the first line, the human soul stretches itself out to know.

00:44:44.000 We like to know.

00:44:46.000 And one of the things we like to know is we like to know about ourselves.

00:44:50.000 Because, unlike other creatures, we're not ruled simply by instinct.

00:44:54.000 We have to choose our way.

00:44:56.000 Which way should we go?

00:44:58.000 And then the second thing is we look at others.

00:45:01.000 And we are unusually well equipped to do this because we can talk.

00:45:05.000 We can explain things to each other.

00:45:07.000 We can tell each other about our inmost thoughts.

00:45:10.000 So history just expands the scope.

00:45:14.000 And the past is the only thing we can study intensely.

00:45:18.000 The present is fleeting.

00:45:21.000 The past is fixed, at least according to the old school of thought.

00:45:25.000 These days, it's a deconstructionist age.

00:45:30.000 And what we think is we're our own special time, a development or a progress on previous times.

00:45:38.000 And that sets up a way to reinterpret those old times so that they fit our categories.

00:45:46.000 And we tend to look down on them a bit too.

00:45:49.000 And that seems to me exactly wrong.

00:45:53.000 Aristotle writes, this alone is denied even to God to make what has been not to have been.

00:46:00.000 So history, it gives us a fixity that is made up of things that at the time were constantly shifting and hard to estimate.

00:46:12.000 When we're picking what we're going to do from among various options, we always have two things in mind.

00:46:18.000 One is, what would be the right thing to do?

00:46:21.000 And the other is, what is possible to do?

00:46:25.000 And you know, you can't always do the purely right thing.

00:46:29.000 Well, if you go back and study the people in the past, they're in the same situation.

00:46:36.000 And yet, in their case, the whole story is known.

00:46:40.000 It's not changing anymore.

00:46:43.000 And you can go back and you can put yourself in the shoes, you know, of Winston Churchill or of Abraham Lincoln.

00:46:50.000 Those, by the way, are two things that are sublime to do, beautiful to do, important to do.

00:46:58.000 And you can be with them where Lincoln faces the question, should I let the South go?

00:47:05.000 Look at the body count.

00:47:06.000 Lincoln grappled with that question.

00:47:08.000 You can grapple with him.

00:47:10.000 Churchill, should we fight to the death against Hitler?

00:47:14.000 He's offering a deal.

00:47:16.000 So the point is, there's a lot to know.

00:47:19.000 And what can you know?

00:47:22.000 Can you know it's now right or wrong to do what we're going to do in some country where we've had wars?

00:47:28.000 No, you can just know that a serious man had caution about that.

00:47:35.000 And what were the factors that he evaluated to make up his mind?

00:47:38.000 You could look at the same factors.

00:47:40.000 They may be different today.

00:47:41.000 But all of that depends on treating history as if it is made by people who, although very different from us in many ways, are yet still people.

00:47:54.000 The animals that can talk to each other, learn from each other, recognize good and evil, which are all, by the way, we have a course on Aristotle where we explain this.

00:48:06.000 Those are all related.

00:48:08.000 Our ability to see good and evil and our ability to talk boil down to the same thing.

00:48:13.000 And so a creature like that, which lives in a perishable body and has needs, how does it steer itself by the ultimate truth when in its needs it's just like any animal?

00:48:26.000 Well, that's the human test.

00:48:28.000 And the people in the past had to go through that test.

00:48:31.000 Good history, then, will be an accurate insofar as it's humanly possible to make it picture of what happened in the past.

00:48:40.000 There's a sympathy for the people so that one can learn from them.

00:48:44.000 They made mistakes.

00:48:46.000 Yeah, and don't we?

00:48:49.000 Do we live in a perfect world today?

00:48:52.000 If we don't, then they were grappling with the same thing we are.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 16, 2021

Ask Charlie Anything 75: Founding Fathers & Drag Queens? What's Up With These Trump Judges? Who is the 'Father' of the New Left? And MORE!

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