The Charlie Kirk Show - Ask Charlie Anything 82: Who's Actually Running the Country?

00:00:00.000 Who is running the country?

00:00:02.000 That is the real question.

00:00:03.000 What if I told you Barack Obama is still president of the United States?

00:00:06.000 We make that argument.

00:00:07.000 We also talk about why is Joe Biden always doing these press conferences in a fake White House right outside of the White House?

00:00:12.000 That's kind of weird and bizarre.

00:00:15.000 We dive deep into the question of the FBI going after parents and what it's going to take for you to stand up for your rights in your country right now and so much more.

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00:01:43.000 Here we go.

00:01:44.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:51.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

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00:02:16.000 Hey, everybody.

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00:02:43.000 Got a lot of good questions here that I want to get to.

00:02:46.000 And let me just start with kind of a general one that a lot of people are asking about: where they're saying, Charlie, what do I do about my employer that is now mandating the vaccine?

00:02:57.000 We've been through this a good amount, but I want to just tell you that the people that are emailing us and are willing to lose their jobs are some of the most courageous people in the entire country.

00:03:10.000 But it's also important to realize that these employers and these bosses and these CEOs that are actually putting forth these mandates are doing so before the actual vaccine mandate has actually been put in writing.

00:03:30.000 The mandate, the mandate currently does not exist.

00:03:34.000 It's just on a piece of paper.

00:03:37.000 It's a press release.

00:03:39.000 We've all heard about the alleged vaccine mandate for private companies of 100 people or more.

00:03:44.000 I'm reading from thefederalist.com.

00:03:46.000 It was all over the news.

00:03:48.000 The problem is that it still has not been actually implemented as an executive order.

00:03:54.000 A lot of people, including myself, have said we're going to sue about it.

00:03:58.000 And I asked the kind of legal team we have, I said, are we suing?

00:04:01.000 They said, there's nothing there.

00:04:04.000 There's been no mandate been sent to the White House Office for Information and Regulatory Approval Affairs.

00:04:10.000 There's no mandate sent to OSHA.

00:04:12.000 There's no executive order.

00:04:14.000 There's just press releases.

00:04:16.000 We are now being governed by press releases and the threat of the implementation of doing this.

00:04:23.000 Stephanie McFarland, spokeswoman for the Indiana Occupational Safety and Health Administration, said, quote, there is nothing yet that gives employers any mandate.

00:04:32.000 This president made an announcement on this asking OSHA to do it.

00:04:36.000 We've not seen anything.

00:04:38.000 And so as it is right now, any company that is complying, there's nothing to comply with.

00:04:44.000 They're complying with a press release.

00:04:46.000 And so we have people that are now losing their jobs because they do not want to get vaccinated.

00:04:51.000 By the way, against a vaccine that is not even guaranteed to prevent you from getting the virus, that actually new data is showing in California that vaccinated people are having a more difficult time with the Fauci virus than unvaccinated people.

00:05:09.000 Can we get that study again, Connor?

00:05:11.000 Because people are always asking us about studies.

00:05:16.000 And so you have employers that are now destroying entire workplace environments around something that does not exist.

00:05:26.000 It's a mirage.

00:05:28.000 It's vapor.

00:05:31.000 As we went through in great detail, not great detail, but good detail, it's the sword of Damocles.

00:05:37.000 Everyone's terrified of it.

00:05:39.000 Maybe the FBI is going to show up if you're a school board mom and arrest you because you violated the thinking rules. 1.00

00:05:50.000 Maybe they're going to show up and ask, where is your papers?

00:05:53.000 Are you vaccinated?

00:05:55.000 And demand that you show your medical status.

00:05:59.000 And we're going to post this on charliekirk.com, but the new California study finds that vaccinated individuals are susceptible to COVID variant infections more than unvaccinated.

00:06:09.000 In addition, the increase in frequency of more antibody-resistant strains in the population correlates with the increase in the frequency of the vaccination in the population.

00:06:20.000 The antibody-resistant strains are predominantly circulating in the vaccinated community.

00:06:25.000 That is medrxiv.org.

00:06:29.000 We will post that to make sure that everyone sees that study.

00:06:34.000 And meanwhile, Iceland stops the use of the Moderna vaccine, not just for teenagers or people under 30, for everyone.

00:06:43.000 The risk of heart problems is too high, according to Icelandic health authorities.

00:06:51.000 Back in May, right before I got married, the last episode we did, actually.

00:06:56.000 Remember this, Connor?

00:06:58.000 We asked our audience, hey, has anyone had any adverse events to the vaccine?

00:07:01.000 See you in a couple weeks.

00:07:03.000 I came back to thousands and thousands and thousands of emails of adverse events of people dropping, of people that parents dropped dead, losing regular mobile, you know, motor function.

00:07:17.000 And of course, the media continued their propagandist push against anyone that dared ask the question.

00:07:23.000 We went first, we dove right into the vaccines, and I left Connor and Andrew to deal with it when I was on my honeymoon.

00:07:30.000 It was the last podcast and last broadcast I did.

00:07:33.000 I said, let's do the most controversial thing imaginable.

00:07:36.000 You know, we could have done low taxes, high taxes, why socialism is bad.

00:07:39.000 Thank you very much.

00:07:39.000 I'm getting married.

00:07:40.000 I said, you know what?

00:07:40.000 If I'm going to be without a phone for a week, we might as well go as hot as we can.

00:07:44.000 Vaccines.

00:07:45.000 And that was before people were willing to speak out against this sort of stuff.

00:07:51.000 But I just want to get to this.

00:07:52.000 There's a question here.

00:07:53.000 And by the way, if I answer your question, freedom at charliekirk.com, then you get a signed copy of my book.

00:08:03.000 There's someone I was emailing with yesterday.

00:08:05.000 I want to find that email.

00:08:07.000 It was a super great guy.

00:08:09.000 And he asked me, he said, Charlie, what do I do to try?

00:08:15.000 Here it is, actually.

00:08:16.000 Hey, Charlie, my wife is about to lose her job. 1.00

00:08:18.000 She's just a caseworker for a healthcare company, not a nurse or anything.

00:08:21.000 Religious exemption is not working.

00:08:23.000 Please speak to us what we can do about it so we don't lose our jobs.

00:08:25.000 And my response was this: I said, Hi, Zach.

00:08:29.000 I will speak about this.

00:08:30.000 Unfortunately, due to how messed up our country is and how weak our opposition party is, your wife might have to lose her job. 0.81

00:08:36.000 Let me see if I can help you.

00:08:37.000 I wish I had better news.

00:08:38.000 And Zach responded very maturely.

00:08:40.000 He responded like an adult.

00:08:42.000 He said, Thanks for saying it without any hopium.

00:08:45.000 He does listen to the Charlie Kirk show.

00:08:49.000 Can't wait until you come back to Calvary Chapel Chino Hills.

00:08:51.000 We'd love to set up an event there.

00:08:54.000 That we have people that are losing their life for a mandate, lives, not their actual life, for a mandate that actually doesn't exist.

00:09:03.000 There is no mandate.

00:09:05.000 Now, that could change at any moment, but there doesn't seem to be any rumblings as if this mandate is legit.

00:09:11.000 And this is a brilliant piece of tyrannical rule by the Biden regime.

00:09:17.000 I have to say, I'm going to tip my hat that I'm now wearing.

00:09:23.000 I should have saw this one coming, but I think we are the first program to pinpoint what really happened here, which is this.

00:09:32.000 Biden met with his team, Ron Clain and all of them.

00:09:37.000 They said, okay, we're going to mandate every business to comply with our vaccine protocols.

00:09:45.000 And then someone from the White House Counsel's office said, Yeah, that's probably going to get overturned.

00:09:55.000 And then Ron Clain probably said, Hey, how about this?

00:09:59.000 How about we say it?

00:10:01.000 We're going to do it.

00:10:02.000 We're going to enforce it, but we don't do it.

00:10:07.000 Therefore, every employer who wants to do it is going to have an excuse to do it.

00:10:11.000 It dries up the competitive labor markets of the unvaccinated companies. 0.93

00:10:16.000 And we have a hologram mandate.

00:10:21.000 You can put your hand right over it.

00:10:23.000 It's not real.

00:10:24.000 It's a mirage.

00:10:25.000 It's vapor.

00:10:26.000 It's smoke screen.

00:10:29.000 And the brilliance of this, and now we need to wake up and tell people about this, hello, is that people think it's real because the president said it.

00:10:39.000 Employers enforce it because they think it's coming, yet there's nothing here.

00:10:44.000 It was originally on page 168 of the massive reconciliation bill that is in limbo.

00:10:51.000 But this is another example of a Democrat bluff that we all fell for.

00:10:56.000 So Biden says it, but their strategy all along was never to actually put this in an executive order.

00:11:01.000 Now, that might change.

00:11:03.000 But it's been over a month.

00:11:05.000 I thought we're in the midst of the worst pandemic in human history.

00:11:08.000 If that was so, Joe Biden should have signed it the next day and said, you know what, take me to court.

00:11:11.000 But Joe Biden knows he would have lost in court.

00:11:14.000 Therefore, Joe Biden knew if he was going to lose in court.

00:11:17.000 It's better just to say it, not issue it and have people enforce it themselves because they think that OSHA might show up, which is not going to happen, by the way.

00:11:27.000 We are being played right now, everybody.

00:11:31.000 There is no executive order.

00:11:33.000 Thefederalist.com by Joy Pullman, phenomenal piece.

00:11:39.000 She closes it by saying, these people believe they are royalty, and too many Americans are acting like they're losers, serfs, instead of citizens endowed by God with inalienable rights, including the right to consent through elected representatives, not never elected dictator bureaucrats, to rules that restrict our rights, everyday lives, and human dignity.

00:12:00.000 Joy Pullman writes for the Federalist.

00:12:02.000 And the title of the article is brilliant.

00:12:04.000 Joe Biden's vaccine mandate does not exist.

00:12:07.000 It's just a press release.

00:12:09.000 We're being ruled by a hologram presidency.

00:12:16.000 Don't fall for it.

00:12:19.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:13:23.000 Let's get to a topic.

00:13:24.000 We try not to emphasize this too much, but it is part of the game, which is, is Joe Biden losing his mind?

00:13:33.000 We don't spend too much time on this for good reason.

00:13:37.000 The answer is yes.

00:13:38.000 Next question.

00:13:40.000 But sometimes it's just important to kind of remind people the unfortunate brain-dead president that we have, which then, of course, makes it susceptible to another regime controlling him.

00:13:52.000 Now, I want to get to this question here from Rick, though.

00:13:56.000 Charlie, who's really running the country?

00:13:59.000 Perfect.

00:13:59.000 That's a great segue to this tape that I wanted to play anyway.

00:14:03.000 And the answer of who is running the country is very simple and clear.

00:14:09.000 In fact, I want to hear from you, freedom at charliekirk.com, who you think is running the country.

00:14:13.000 But it's so simple.

00:14:14.000 It's so obvious.

00:14:16.000 And we're going to tell you.

00:14:18.000 But first, here's a nice little montage of Joe Biden in clear cognitive decline, Cut 118.

00:14:24.000 We've got state leadership here in Lieutenant Governor Julius here, Stanton Stratton, and the Ohio, Pennsylvania.

00:14:31.000 I'm from Pennsylvania.

00:14:34.000 The Illinois president of Don Harmon.

00:14:38.000 And we've got great labor leaders here, too.

00:14:40.000 Tim, where's Tim?

00:14:43.000 There you go.

00:14:44.000 Tim, thank you.

00:14:45.000 And Robert Reiter Reader, R-E-I-T-E-R, Re-Reader, Chicago Federational Labor.

00:14:51.000 And folks, that's how we beat COVID-19.

00:14:55.000 You know, if I can digress for just a second, last night I was on television.

00:15:00.000 I was on the telephone with a person at an emergency hospital ward.

00:15:10.000 Yeah.

00:15:11.000 Did you understand a word of that?

00:15:15.000 So who's running the country, really?

00:15:19.000 I want to play this other tape here, though, of 113, because it's very interesting.

00:15:24.000 Because someone asked me about this as well, emailed us.

00:15:26.000 Teresa asked me about this.

00:15:28.000 Cut 113.

00:15:29.000 Why does Joe Biden keep on going to this fake White House set when he actually is in the White House?

00:15:36.000 It's really bizarre.

00:15:38.000 Cut 113.

00:15:40.000 Why go to the trouble?

00:15:41.000 They already have a White House.

00:15:42.000 Well, Stephen Miller spent the last four years in the White House as an advisor to Trump, and here's his explanation for it.

00:15:48.000 Because he would know: quote: The reason Biden uses this bizarre virtual set for televised meetings, not an actual room like the East Room, the Cabinet, the Oval, the Roosevelt Sit Room, etc.

00:15:58.000 There are a lot of rooms.

00:15:59.000 The raisin does this is because it allows him to read a script directly from a face-on monitor and without teleprompter glass that can be seen on camera.

00:16:08.000 Oh.

00:16:09.000 So, who's in charge?

00:16:11.000 I haven't heard enough people say this, but it's so clear that Obama's running the country.

00:16:18.000 It's so obvious that Obama's in charge.

00:16:22.000 That Barry Sotero is the president of the United States.

00:16:26.000 Joe Biden was Obama's vice president.

00:16:30.000 You got nothing but Obama sycophant staffers all around him.

00:16:35.000 There's only two different ruling cartels that run the party, that run the country if a Democrat's in control.

00:16:40.000 It's that simple.

00:16:41.000 Do you have the Clinton cartel or the Obama cartel?

00:16:44.000 And remember, they don't get along.

00:16:47.000 They got along by a marriage of convenience.

00:16:50.000 They hate each other, actually.

00:16:53.000 There's a lot of evidence to show that Hillary Clinton wanted to run the campaign her way in 2016. 0.93

00:16:59.000 She had her people, her loyalists, and Obama's team was just kind of pushed aside.

00:17:06.000 Obama is running the country from Martha's Vineyard.

00:17:11.000 He's calling the shots.

00:17:13.000 You see, Obama sees something in Biden that he was never able to do himself: run the ship into the ground.

00:17:23.000 Why?

00:17:25.000 Well, it's because Biden doesn't want to have a Netflix special after this.

00:17:32.000 Biden's wife does not want to become president.

00:17:36.000 Obama, who is the true power source of the American left, he has never stopped being that.

00:17:44.000 Regardless of his maskless illegal parties that he's having in Martha's Vineyard, regardless of all these different aspects and components of this, let's not fool ourselves.

00:17:57.000 People say, Charlie, who's running the country?

00:17:59.000 Charlie, who's really in charge? 0.82

00:18:00.000 It's not Joe Biden because we play this ridiculous thing.

00:18:02.000 Yes, it's Ron Clinton. 0.82

00:18:03.000 It's all these people.

00:18:04.000 All of it, they all understand the hierarchy.

00:18:07.000 And who's above Obama?

00:18:08.000 Valerie Jarrett.

00:18:11.000 Valerie Jarrett is the only person who stayed every single day from start to finish in the Obama White House. 0.94

00:18:19.000 She made sure she cleaned up everything.

00:18:24.000 We need to stop focusing on Biden and start focusing on the regime behind him, which has never stopped being Barack Obama.

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00:18:47.000 I want you to imagine 100,000 Americans losing their jobs.

00:18:50.000 Well, it's happened.

00:18:51.000 Since 2015, over 100,000 independent farms and ranches in the United States have shut down.

00:18:56.000 Why?

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00:20:25.000 I want to get to some more questions here.

00:20:28.000 I want to, there's a question here of this mom that emailed us. 0.88

00:20:32.000 She says, Charlie, I'm very worried after speaking at a school board meeting that I'm now going to be targeted by the FBI.

00:20:41.000 What do I make of this?

00:20:42.000 Thanks so much.

00:20:43.000 Well, let me put your mind a little bit at ease.

00:20:46.000 Unless you broke the law, this is all just about chilling and suppressing speech, trying to use the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the Department of Homeland Security to go after you because you've been showing up to school boards across the country.

00:20:59.000 But let's stop fooling ourselves.

00:21:01.000 The government already has lists of extremists, dissidents, and people that they don't care for, that they are willing to use government power to try and eliminate.

00:21:15.000 Rand Paul has said this for quite some time.

00:21:18.000 In Cut 112, Rand Paul says to be afraid of your government and that a list of watch lists of dissenters already exists.

00:21:27.000 You know, it would be helpful if more Senate Republicans actually took Rand Paul seriously and decided to get to the bottom of this.

00:21:36.000 Instead, they're too busy voting for infrastructure or whatever.

00:21:40.000 Eat me last Republicans.

00:21:42.000 That's what I call those people.

00:21:43.000 Cut 112.

00:21:45.000 I'm very concerned, and I'm sure that there are people across the country who are concerned, that if they go to their local school board and say the wrong thing, that they're going to end up on some list that Merrick Garland goes after.

00:21:55.000 What would you say to those people today?

00:21:57.000 I would say be afraid.

00:21:58.000 Be afraid of your government.

00:22:00.000 And that's a sad thing from someone in the government to say.

00:22:03.000 But the thing is, is those lists already exist.

00:22:06.000 Those lists already exist.

00:22:07.000 Now, why would you make a list?

00:22:09.000 You make a list with the intent of trying to act on it.

00:22:14.000 Jen Pesaki was asked about this, and she was asked, what do you think about the Department of Justice acquiescing to teacher unions who want to treat parents like domestic terrorists?

00:22:27.000 Of course, she defends it and she deflects it.

00:22:30.000 And when you go into the details of the actual memo from Merrick Garland, the details are so incredibly light.

00:22:41.000 There's a couple examples here and there, if that, none of which are federal crimes, by the way.

00:22:47.000 So why is this the FBI's jurisdiction?

00:22:49.000 Why not just deal with local police if it's really that big of a deal?

00:22:52.000 Technically, the FBI should only be involved if this is across state lines.

00:22:57.000 If this was somehow something where people were trying to plant bombs in school board meetings.

00:23:02.000 No, that's what BLM does.

00:23:04.000 BLM was carting terrorists around the country on airplane rides with anarchists and Antifa to come after our cities. 1.00

00:23:14.000 Cut 105, Jensaki.

00:23:16.000 Does the administration agree that parents upset about their kids' curriculums could be considered domestic terrorists?

00:23:22.000 What the Department of Justice said in a letter from the Attorney General is that, quote, threats against public servants are not only illegal, they run counter to our nation's core values.

00:23:33.000 That is true.

00:23:34.000 These were threats against public servants, threats against members of the school board.

00:23:40.000 Regardless of the reasoning, threats and violence against public servants is illegal.

00:23:44.000 That's what he was conveying from the Department of Justice.

00:23:47.000 So now we need to use the DOJ, DHS, and FBI to go after threats against public service.

00:23:52.000 How about threats against conservative radio show hosts?

00:23:55.000 I spent a lot of time on that.

00:23:57.000 I wouldn't want the FBI to over-involve themselves in that.

00:24:01.000 Use the proper levels of law enforcement as necessary.

00:24:06.000 Meanwhile, Merrick Garland is under a lot of fire, and we were one of the first shows to actually break this story on how Merrick Garland's family has made a lot of money off of implementing critical race theory.

00:24:19.000 Merrick Garland is conflicted.

00:24:23.000 He is trying to chill a movement that would be bad for the Merrick Garland family business.

00:24:31.000 So to answer your question, should you be afraid?

00:24:34.000 No.

00:24:36.000 You should be afraid if you did something wrong.

00:24:39.000 This is all posturing.

00:24:41.000 It's the same.

00:24:42.000 It's all in the same thing.

00:24:43.000 There is no vaccine mandate.

00:24:45.000 It doesn't exist.

00:24:47.000 Joe Biden actually does a press conference from a fake White House set.

00:24:52.000 And is the FBI going to start arresting parents?

00:24:55.000 No.

00:24:55.000 What you do have to worry about, though, is them monitoring your internal communications and them trying to use this a means to the end to try to endlessly investigate anybody that they might disagree with.

00:25:06.000 That is absolutely a threat.

00:25:11.000 And I will say that I have been somewhat pleased with how almost every kind of camp of conservatives, including the kind of the moderate, weak vanilla conservatives, they have even been outraged at the DOJ's flexing of muscle here.

00:25:29.000 The more Tucker Carlson wing of the conservative movement has been warning about this for quite some time, but not just overreach of government, but overreach of corporations and of business and the restricting of our freedoms and liberties.

00:25:44.000 Okay, let's get to a question here.

00:25:45.000 Sylvia from Austin, Texas, emailed us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:25:50.000 Charlie, a new poll shows that 41% of Biden voters and 52% of Trump voters at least somewhat agree that the time has come to split the country into red and blue states.

00:26:00.000 What is your take on this?

00:26:01.000 What is that poll?

00:26:02.000 Can you send that to me, Connor?

00:26:04.000 We have been warning about this for quite some time, that the country is about to go to a national divorce.

00:26:10.000 And you see a lot of conservative podcasters following our lead on that.

00:26:15.000 We've been on top of that.

00:26:16.000 And honestly, it's because of you, the amazing listeners.

00:26:18.000 You guys have been emailing us freedom at charliekirk.com, and we get tens of thousands of emails in every week or two.

00:26:25.000 And so we really get a good idea of what are you thinking?

00:26:28.000 What's going on here?

00:26:30.000 Are you happy with your current government?

00:26:33.000 And so I just want to thank those of you that amazingly support us.

00:26:39.000 Business insider, majority of Trump voters believe it's time to split the country into two.

00:26:45.000 This is where we are headed, quickly.

00:26:48.000 I said this in a meeting recently, and it just got totally silent.

00:26:53.000 People just said, what do you mean?

00:26:56.000 And by the way, let me just be very clear, because a lot of journalists watch this.

00:27:01.000 I think this is terrible.

00:27:04.000 I don't support it, and it is tragic, but it's true. 0.70

00:27:08.000 This is what's happening.

00:27:11.000 University of Virginia Center for Politics polled.

00:27:14.000 UVA surveyed 2,000 voters, half of whom voted for Trump, half for Biden, in late July, in order to get a better understanding of the growing split between the Democrat Party.

00:27:22.000 So I ask people the question: what do I have in common with a BLM incorporated supporting transgender activist in San Francisco? 0.51

00:27:36.000 They want people forcibly vaccinated?

00:27:38.000 I don't.

00:27:39.000 They think America is systemically racist.

00:27:41.000 I don't.

00:27:41.000 They think our history goes to the gutter.

00:27:43.000 I don't.

00:27:43.000 They want our borders open.

00:27:44.000 I want our borders closed.

00:27:46.000 They love the tech companies.

00:27:47.000 I don't.

00:27:50.000 They don't revere the Constitution.

00:27:51.000 I do.

00:27:52.000 I could go through the list.

00:27:53.000 Besides us both using dollar bills to transact our business relationships, what do I have in common with that person?

00:28:03.000 They're starting to say, I don't want to live in the same country as them.

00:28:06.000 And guess what?

00:28:06.000 That's what our side is saying, too.

00:28:09.000 We have talked about the slow-motion secession here on this program for quite some time.

00:28:15.000 That we are seeing the country fall apart quickly.

00:28:21.000 It's going to take a master act of statesmanship to put the country back together.

00:28:27.000 It can be done.

00:28:28.000 And this is why what I believe the grassroots work that we are doing here in the Charlie Kirk Show to empower you to know what's going on, to spread this to your friends, of talking about the success stories, this is what's going to make the ultimate difference: a bottom-up strategy of people understanding what's happening and not falling for the bait from the ruling class.

00:28:49.000 Two in 10 Trump voters and Biden voters strongly agree it'd be better if, quote, a president could take needed action without being constrained by Congress or the courts.

00:28:59.000 80% of respondents from each party saying the opposing side presents a clear and present danger to American democracy.

00:29:06.000 80% of more survey respondents said they're worried that someone at close-in will experience, quote, personal loss or suffering due to the effects of opposing parties' policies.

00:29:16.000 Illustrating the extent of the underlying divide, nearly 90% of people on both sides agree that people like them won't belong in America anymore if the other side has its way and has more than one in five say they agree completely that such is the case.

00:29:30.000 This is not sustainable.

00:29:31.000 It's going to fall apart if we do not have a leadership movement, a movement of hundreds, hopefully thousands of younger type leaders.

00:29:38.000 And I don't mean younger in age, I mean younger in the mindset.

00:29:42.000 I shouldn't use the word younger.

00:29:43.000 Let's say new, fresh, unique, willing to entertain creative options, not a bunch of Republicans that just want to talk about trillion-dollar infrastructure packages, keeping the borders wide open, and cutting corporate taxes.

00:29:59.000 That's not going to save the country.

00:30:01.000 It's falling apart.

00:30:04.000 Okay, let's get to the next question here.

00:30:06.000 And that wonderfully uplifting note.

00:30:08.000 And we really are living under two different constitutions.

00:30:10.000 We are.

00:30:11.000 The Age of Entitlement by Christopher Caldwell, one of the best books that I encourage you to read.

00:30:15.000 Half the country believes the Constitution should respect individual rights.

00:30:19.000 The other believes that there should be a Constitution that respects grievance, the mobilization of grievances, the loudest voice in the room, and victimhood-type politics.

00:30:31.000 It's either you believe that people are entitled to other people's property, or you believe that you are entitled to the ability to earn your own property, to take risks, speech, the right to liberty and life given to you by God.

00:30:50.000 One side believes in a constitution of government-given rights.

00:30:55.000 The other side believes in a constitution of God-granted rights.

00:30:59.000 Let's get to the next question here.

00:31:01.000 We're going to be getting a lot of questions around this topic of the southern border.

00:31:07.000 Of Charlie, what's going on with the southern border and what can we do about it?

00:31:11.000 Well, Texas can and should.

00:31:12.000 Let me just get to this question here.

00:31:14.000 Charlie, Paul here on the southern border of Texas, what can Texas do to secure the border?

00:31:20.000 I know you talked about Texas actually enforcing it, but it seems unrealistic.

00:31:24.000 It's not unrealistic.

00:31:25.000 It's that they're unwilling.

00:31:27.000 Donald Trump in Cut 104 said that Central American countries are emptying their prisons into the United States.

00:31:34.000 It's true.

00:31:35.000 Cut 104.

00:31:36.000 I hear it's 50 countries.

00:31:38.000 They're emptying out their prisons into the United States. 0.76

00:31:41.000 Their jails, some of the toughest people on earth are being dumped into the United States because they don't want them.

00:31:48.000 They don't want to take care of them for the next 40 years.

00:31:51.000 So these people that are the roughest prisoners there are anywhere are being dumped into the United States for us to take care of them.

00:32:01.000 And of course, when Donald Trump tried to solve the southern border crisis, and he did, they had an entire crisis of kids in cages, even though that did not happen.

00:32:09.000 And yet, we now have way worse conditions than kids in cages.

00:32:13.000 Of course, the regime media doesn't care.

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00:34:03.000 Hey, Charlie, I listened to your episode with James O'Keefe about the Pfizer vaccine and fetal cells.

00:34:09.000 It seems like millions of Americans were denied their constitutionally guaranteed right to a religious exemption in our federal system.

00:34:16.000 What can we do about that?

00:34:16.000 Class action lawsuit.

00:34:18.000 Do you think Fauci Biden and the crew knew that Pfizer was covering this up?

00:34:22.000 And if so, how could our leaders lie to us like that?

00:34:25.000 Well, they lie with the ease of breathing.

00:34:29.000 Unfortunately, that is the way that the ruling class operates in this country.

00:34:33.000 And it's really unfortunate to say that.

00:34:36.000 I don't know what the recourse could be.

00:34:38.000 I know a lot of people are talking about lawsuits and kind of restitution.

00:34:43.000 There will be a significant amount of legal action and, I think, movement coming from this point forward. 0.97

00:34:49.000 But so far, the courts have been lackluster when it comes to the vaccine issue, citing the Jacobson v. Massachusetts decision, which, by the way, was used by Justice Louis Brandeis in the 1920s as a reasoning and as a basis to forcibly sterilize over 60,000 idiot women. 0.95

00:35:10.000 That's what they called it. 1.00

00:35:11.000 Idiot women. 1.00

00:35:12.000 The very same decision, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, which allowed the government to force vaccinations, was used as precedent to sterilize women against their will because they were idiot women. 1.00

00:35:29.000 That was when eugenics ran the country, and that's where we're headed back to. 1.00

00:35:33.000 Woodrow Wilson was a eugenicist.

00:35:35.000 He was a Darwinist, as was many of the people that came out of the Johns Hopkins School, Johns Hopkins School.

00:35:43.000 And that is where we are headed next.

00:35:45.000 Okay, let's get to the next question here.

00:35:48.000 Got a lot of good questions here that I want to get to.

00:35:51.000 Hey, Charlie, what do you make of the recent jobs report, and what does that mean for the economy moving forward?

00:35:57.000 We've already been through the inflation cycle.

00:35:59.000 We've been through how prices are rising.

00:36:02.000 We've been through the consumer confidence going down.

00:36:04.000 The recent job report that came out today is abysmal.

00:36:08.000 I want to play a couple cuts on that.

00:36:10.000 Let's play cut 116, where CNN has said it's the worst of the year.

00:36:15.000 Cut 116.

00:36:17.000 Off the presses, a brand new jobs report, a look at the state of the economy.

00:36:21.000 Chief business correspondent Christine Romans with the new details.

00:36:24.000 What does it say?

00:36:25.000 All right, let me just run through the top line numbers for you here, John, because it's a real brain teaser.

00:36:29.000 194,000 net new jobs added, way less, way less than anybody expected, and less than last month, and the worst of the year.

00:36:39.000 The worst of the year.

00:36:40.000 Chris Wallace on Fox News on the September jobs report, cut 117.

00:36:46.000 Numbers, those are very bad for Joe Biden.

00:36:48.000 Look, these are tough votes for moderates spending so much money, for progressives not spending as much money as they want.

00:36:55.000 It's a lot easier to vote for a president.

00:36:58.000 Hold your nose whether you think it's too much or too little if a president has an approval rating in the high 50s or even in the low 60s when he's at 38% approval.

00:37:08.000 38%, not in the 40s, 38%.

00:37:12.000 You know, he doesn't have, he doesn't provide much political cover.

00:37:15.000 You're seeing that in the Virginia governor's right.

00:37:18.000 Joe Biden's approval rating is at 38%.

00:37:22.000 So what does this mean for the economy moving forward?

00:37:24.000 Brace for impact.

00:37:26.000 They are running this country into the ground.

00:37:28.000 Every single policy that they are putting forward is an intentional destruction of the American way of life.

00:37:34.000 Why?

00:37:34.000 So they can then justify the nationalization of such industries and the eradication of private property.

00:37:39.000 These people do not mean well.

00:37:42.000 Their intentions are not our intentions.

00:37:45.000 They want a different type of America.

00:37:46.000 They want an America where entrepreneurship is not valued and government dependence is.

00:37:50.000 They want to stay and remain in control.

00:37:53.000 And the activists amongst their ranks, Rashida Talib, Bayana Presley, Alexandria Casio-Cotez, they believe that it's all part of breaking the back of a colonialist, racist, misogynistic, and imperialistic system that will then allow the mass redistribution of wealth to the victimized groups that they pretend to represent.

00:38:16.000 The economy is about to go through a much rougher patch than people realize.

00:38:20.000 What do they want to do?

00:38:21.000 They want to spend another $4.7 trillion on top of it while we're already in the midst of an inflation cycle.

00:38:30.000 Everybody, what did the founding fathers say about slavery?

00:38:33.000 This incredible short from our friends at Hillsdale College, Charlie4Hillsdale.com.

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00:38:55.000 What did the founding fathers say about slavery?

00:38:57.000 Let's listen.

00:38:59.000 Hamilton and Madison both referred to slaves as men.

00:39:03.000 This is a critical insight because if slaves are men, if slaves are human beings, then that means that they have inalienable natural rights.

00:39:10.000 And that means that slavery can only rest on the basis of positive law, that it's by definition an injustice, and they understood it as such.

00:39:20.000 Thomas Jefferson, in one of the most famous statements on slavery to come out of the American founding, Query 18 in Notes on the State of Virginia, explains that slavery is at war with human nature and with justice.

00:39:34.000 He says, it's bad for slaves because it teaches them to hate their country and it teaches them to lack self-assertion.

00:39:43.000 But it's also bad for masters.

00:39:45.000 It teaches masters to become tyrants.

00:39:47.000 It warps them.

00:39:48.000 It teaches them to have contempt for the rights of other human beings.

00:39:52.000 And once they learn to have contempt for the rights of their slaves, they then transfer that and learn to have contempt for the rights of others who are not slaves.

00:40:02.000 Finally, it's bad for society.

00:40:04.000 It's bad for the country as a whole.

00:40:06.000 Jefferson says that we are so wrong on the question of slavery that it is certain that God will punish us if we don't get it right.

00:40:15.000 In fact, he says if it ever came down to a contest between slaves and masters over the future of the country, Jefferson says, quote, the Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in such a contest, end quote.

00:40:30.000 So, in short, we can see pretty quickly that the Founding Fathers understood that they had a colossal problem on their hands, that slavery was a massive injustice, and they understood it as such.

00:40:43.000 What did the founders do about slavery?

00:40:46.000 Because again, to say that they did not end slavery altogether is not the same as saying that they did nothing about it.

00:40:55.000 For instance, during the founding and early American period, nine states became free states.

00:41:03.000 All of the states, the original states, north of Maryland, so from Pennsylvania northward, became free states, abolished slavery in one way or another.

00:41:12.000 Slave states eased their manumission laws. 0.99

00:41:15.000 And a manumission is simply an individual act of emancipation where an individual owner frees an individual slave.

00:41:22.000 So it was made easier to free one's slaves in the southern states that retained slavery.

00:41:28.000 And as a result, thousands of slaves were manumitted.

00:41:31.000 Now, this does not end the institution of slavery altogether, but it is certainly important to you if you are one of those thousands who was manumitted during this period.

00:41:42.000 We also see instances of southern courts favoring the claims of slaves who were suing for their freedom.

00:41:50.000 In fact, this is how the Dred Scott case got its start in the Missouri state courts.

00:41:57.000 In ruling against Dred Scott in 1850, the Missouri Supreme Court admitted that if Dred Scott's case had come before the court, say, 10 years earlier, they most certainly would have freed him.

00:42:10.000 But times had changed, and so they were no longer honoring the friendly agreement that they had with free states to respect the laws of those states because of the intensification of the slavery controversy.

00:42:22.000 There were also reforms in the slave states that tended to recognize the humanity of slaves.

00:42:28.000 By the beginning of the 19th century, North Carolina had reformed its laws so that killing a slave carried the same penalty as killing a free person.

00:42:37.000 It was still hard to obtain a conviction, but at least this is a recognition that a slave is in fact a human being and not an article of livestock.

00:42:46.000 There was the abolition of the slave trade, which was legally abolished in 1807 and the abolition took effect in 1808.

00:42:54.000 Later on, the slave trade was declared to be piracy, making it a death penalty offense.

00:42:59.000 This was a law which was extremely hard to enforce in the age of sale, but at least you have a declaration of a commitment to end this inhumane practice.

00:43:08.000 If one looks to the Constitution itself, one notices that conspicuously absent from the entire Constitution, including the provisions that deal directly with slavery, is the word slave in any variation.

00:43:22.000 Madison, Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln all came to the same conclusion about why this was the case.

00:43:28.000 They did not want to taint the document with any implication that slavery existed, so that if someone came along in the future without any particular knowledge of our history or politics, they could not read the original Constitution and know that slavery had been a part of it.

00:43:44.000 If one turns to the particular provisions in the Constitution that deal with slavery, we also can see ambiguities and compromises that reflect the founders' desire to see slavery gradually removed from our society.

00:44:01.000 The importation clause in Article 1, Section 9, was looked upon by many people as a death sentence for slavery.

00:44:09.000 It was widely believed at the time that slave populations could not be self-sustaining, that only continual importation would allow slavery to survive in a particular community.

00:44:20.000 And so many people, such as James Wilson, believed that cutting off the slave trade killed slavery itself.

00:44:27.000 And that proved to be largely true in many places, except in America.

00:44:31.000 In America, the slave population, contrary to expectations, proved to be self-supporting.

00:44:36.000 Finally, if one is looking at what the founders did about slavery, perhaps the most important thing that they did about slavery was to pass a piece of legislation called the Northwest Ordinance.

00:44:47.000 So the Northwest Territory was the full area in which the federal government could control slavery, and the Northwest Ordinance banned it in perpetuity.

00:44:58.000 And it was passed by a large margin in Congress both times under both forms of government.

00:45:04.000 This was significant in a number of ways.

00:45:07.000 Indiana, when it petitioned for statehood, asked for the right to be exempt from the Northwest Ordinance.

00:45:13.000 Now, one does not ask for that exception if one wants to be a free state.

00:45:17.000 And the federal government told them that they were not exempted.

00:45:19.000 They could remain free under the Northwest Ordinance or they could become a free state.

00:45:24.000 So it certainly made one state that might have been a slave state into a free state.

00:45:29.000 It provided, when we got to the Civil War, an enormous amount of manpower and material resources for the Union war effort.

00:45:37.000 And finally, the language of the slavery prohibition in the Northwest Ordinance became the basis for the 13th Amendment to the Constitution, outlawing slavery nationwide by constitutional amendment.

00:45:52.000 So many things were done to restrict slavery, to hem it in, as Lincoln would later say, within the narrowest limits of necessity.

00:46:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:46:05.000 Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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00:46:12.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:46:13.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 11, 2021

Ask Charlie Anything 82: Who's Actually Running the Country?

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