00:00:42.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:50.000If anyone ever has a question of non-partisan nonprofit interference, I'm going to send them a link to the Center for Technology and Civic Life where 25 out of 26 of the counties that they played ball in in Georgia were overwhelmingly Biden counties, and the biggest distribution of resources were Biden-Bellwether counties.
00:02:07.000Something tells me, though, that Janet Yellen, right, because she's Treasury, which is IRS, something tells me she's not going to be investigating CTCL.
00:02:20.000They wanted to be on the right side of the government or the companies that were going to potentially going to regulate them and break them up.
00:02:27.000Now, in some ways, Biden has deviated from this from some of his Federal Trade Commission picks of people that are at least posturing that they're going to break up these companies.
00:02:35.000But more than anything else, and I want your opinion on this, Jack, Zuckerberg had to try to quell a staff revolt within his company from leaks and dissension, not the fake whistle, not the fake Facebook whistleblower, but legitimate type dissension and rebellion because they deep down believe that Facebook was a co-conspirator in getting Donald Trump elected in 2016.
00:02:57.000You know, Frances Haugen, who I call her the Facebook Karen, she's a big part of this, actually.
00:03:02.000And this is not a Facebook whistleblower.
00:03:04.000It's a Facebook whistleblower operation.
00:03:06.000And what she's doing, we can see that she's clearly a Democrat left-wing activist.
00:03:10.000Whistleblowers, what they do is they're supposed to come out and tell you something nefarious that the company organization institution is doing and then lying about to the rest of the country.
00:05:03.000The tax rate, marginal tax rates going up is about the upper middle class, the middle class, people that have a lot of interesting businesses, which is usually small businesses.
00:05:12.000And preventing you from being able to attain that kind of wealth, by the way, because they want to keep interest rates low.
00:05:19.000So it's essentially if you pair it with inflation, it's negative interest rates.
00:06:08.000Charlie, before we do that, Wall Street Journal, the FDA has delayed a decision on clearing Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for 12 to 17 year olds while it looks into the risk of the heart condition myocarditis.
00:07:11.000When, of course, all last year throughout the election, you could play the videos of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden both saying, I don't know if I'd trust a vaccine that came out with only one year of development.
00:07:54.000So transhumanism is this idea of, you know, it starts off very small with like wearable technology, but then it gets into what Elon Musk is doing with Neuralink.
00:08:05.000It gets into this idea of merging man and machine.
00:08:25.000It gets it dabbles in eugenics a little bit, this whole movement.
00:08:28.000And they just had a huge conference, but I think in Madrid, Spain, talking about all this and how they want to move forward.
00:08:34.000And again, it's a situation where people are driving down the road of this thing.
00:08:39.000But to use that old Michael Crichton saying, you know, the scientists are spending so much time wondering what they could rather than wondering if they should.
00:08:49.000And they're going to try to create human cyborgs very, very soon.
00:08:54.000And I just want to remind everybody, we've been doing a partnership with Alliance Defending Freedom.
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00:09:04.000In fact, I think we have some sound from my friend Mike Pompeo, who is talking about ADF.
00:09:09.000And you'd think a church would be the last place that would have to even worry about religious freedom.
00:09:13.000But over the past year, we've even seen churches, Jack, you know this, be forced to close during the pandemic.
00:09:17.000And many public figures, including former U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, has something to say about that play tape.
00:09:23.000There are those who would want to deny us the capacity to practice our faith and to worship in the way that we choose, or if we choose not to, no faith at all.
00:09:30.000We need to make sure that this nation remains that beacon of religious freedom for the entire world to model how the dignity of every human being created in the image of God can be reflected by the capacity for those individuals to practice their faith.
00:10:20.000Hey, Charlie, can you dive deeper into Joe Biden's sinking approval numbers?
00:10:23.000Really represent, does this mean Americans actually disagree with his policies and socialist agenda?
00:10:27.000I'm under the impression that they have no intention ever to run Joe Biden for president again.
00:10:31.000And this is a run it into the ground and replace it.
00:10:34.000People will forget about it and Joe Biden will be known as a Woodrow Wilson-style president who changed the paradigm and the framing of American politics and will be known as the man who is willing to do what can be done when you actually don't care about the political consequence associated with it.
00:12:39.000And actually, when I was talking at one point when he was coming towards the end of his internship and he was going back to school, I want to say, look, man, I'm a dad now.
00:12:47.000Can you just tell me what did your parents do?
00:12:50.000Because you just came out right, right?
00:12:52.000You know, everything that's going on in the country, everything that's going on in the world, but he's just smart.
00:13:44.000Nobody wanted Joe Biden to be president back in 2019, right?
00:13:48.000He was never pushed up as someone that anybody organically wanted, but he was basically the last man in the room after these sort of, you know, Kamala Harris drops out.
00:13:57.000By the way, Charlie, you and I both got as many primary votes and electoral college votes as Kamala Harris, zero, because she dropped out.
00:14:04.000But Joe Biden's the last man staying, the last man in the room.
00:14:08.000He ends up kind of getting it by default.
00:14:09.000He benefits from Mark Zuckerberg and all this activity.
00:14:12.000And then people find, remember, the entire campaign, but he's in his basement the whole time, doesn't even do like any actual public events or they're in their trucks.
00:14:19.000It's this weird dystopian hunger games kind of stuff going on.
00:14:22.000So his numbers are where they should have always been because people are finally getting a good look at him.
00:15:42.000I'm going to keep this conversation going about the shade war happening in the White House as the regime falls apart and unfortunately the country alongside it.
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00:18:12.000This is what she has dedicated her life to.
00:18:14.000So what I wanted to go to Joe and say, you know, Joe, you're not supposed to put someone as your vice president that you know will betray you the minute they get the chance, right?
00:18:23.000You know, with Trump and Pence, you never had that with Bush and Cheney.
00:18:26.000And obviously with Obama and Biden, right?
00:18:29.000By the way, Charlie, did you notice that comment, by the way, that Biden made very early on when he said, you know, this is the first time I'm in the White House residence?
00:18:41.000And I remember thinking, wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:18:43.000Why is nobody picking, analyzing that a little bit more?
00:18:45.000You were in the White House for eight years, right?
00:18:47.000So the vice president lives in the Naval Observatory, which is up towards Rock Creek in Washington, D.C., and the president lives in the White House.
00:18:54.000But that means for all of those eight years, Barack Obama never once invited you to dinner, right?
00:19:00.000That was your place in the Obama-Biden White House.
00:19:04.000You weren't even invited to dinner for eight years, dinner, breakfast.
00:19:41.000And so one of the things that they do to try to trip up Kamala Harris, I think you know where I'm going with this, they give her all the no-win situations.
00:19:57.000Right, you know, and you get this comment from her you're gonna put that crap on me, right?
00:20:01.000They know that she is the freight train coming and they're on the side of the Titanic and there's not much more you can do about that.
00:20:07.000However comma, notice that when Kamala Harris brought on her new strategic communications director, who did she hire the brother-in-law of Jen Sake.
00:20:18.000So, as i've been kind of reading the tea leaves on this palace intrigue um, i've said, you know, I wonder if that's a little bit of an olive branch between team K and team b, or is it Jen Sake wondering?
00:20:41.000But I think yeah, I think she's going to be a cable news contributor and she wants to be in tight because she knows where the chips are falling, she knows what's happening, she wants to be in tight with Kamala.
00:20:49.000That's why you see the hire of her brother-in-law with Kamala Harris, folks look, you know it's funny.
00:20:55.000Um, a vice tried to do a hit on me once when they said, um, you know, when I was in the military, I was in the IC I didn't uh, I didn't have a public twitter account or anything, but what I did is I ran a Game Of Thrones blog for years and years and um, so i've read the book series like five times and student history.
00:21:10.000But I say, if you haven't read the actual Game Of Thrones books, I don't think you on you can understand dc properly until you understand what's going on.
00:21:18.000And this is true under the Trump administration and it's 10 times more true under the Biden administration, because you've got, you've got Circe and you've got uh, lannisters and little fingers and all the rest of it and um, you know obviously the, the tv show, edited a massive failure.
00:21:32.000Um, but you know, just understanding the dynamics like to be clear folks, this isn't, it's not always ideological.
00:21:40.000A lot of this it's a greed, it's human nature, it's avarice.
00:21:44.000Right, these are some of the sins that people give into.
00:21:46.000That's part of humans, that's original sin, that's your sinful nature, that's man has fallen, but understanding uh, the Hobbesian dynamics of humanity, then when you're put into that pressure, you're put into a place like the White House, all of that comes out tenfold.
00:22:01.000Well, I should say, I should say, when you put people who don't have uh faith, who don't have religion, who are not following Christianity I mean Joe Biden, they follow.
00:22:10.000The prince that's, you know, says that he's Catholic right no, they follow.
00:22:14.000Joe Biden says he's Catholic, he's going to meet with the pope and I say great, they can talk about abortion, testing of vaccines together.
00:22:29.000If only the pope was Catholic okay, email us your thoughts at Charliekirk.com and I say, this is actually a Pro-Catholic evangelical, legitimately.
00:22:37.000I have a lot of respect for Catholics.
00:22:38.000The obvious disagreements that i'm not Catholic, all right, this is a good question.
00:22:42.000Sherman from Grand Rapids, I commonly say, just as some background, because the reference is in the question, be the same person in public that you are in private, because stop pretending to be somebody that you're not.
00:22:53.000So if you are in private a conservative, be a conservative in public.
00:22:57.000Charlie, you always say that you should be the same person in public that you are in private.
00:23:00.000I agree, but what does it look like to be a good person In private, so you carry over that good behavior publicly?
00:23:05.000I hear Jack talk about his years of sobriety.
00:23:07.000I hear you talk about the need to explore big ideas and always be constantly learning.
00:23:13.000Can the two of you just expand on what it looks like to be a good person, specifically a good man in today's day, an aid Sherman from Grand Rapids?
00:23:20.000It's kind of an open-ended question, but I'd go back to the Gospels where we're taught to be in the world, but not of the world, right?
00:23:30.000So the idea that when people meet you, that you can talk that, you know, I can make cultural references to like Game of Thrones and Harry Potter and Star Wars and everything else.
00:23:38.000But when you meet them, when you meet someone, or I should say when they meet you, rather, that they should come off with the sense of that person is grounded in something different and something that's a little bit different than what's pumped onto TV every day.
00:23:52.000What has your sobriety meant for your life?
00:23:56.000So, yeah, for me early on, and I wasn't someone, you know, I didn't do AA, I never considered myself an alcoholic, but it got to a point where I said, you know what?
00:24:09.000You know, I've told some stories about this before, but I had a friend who, you know, I had a friend who got arrested over it, and I saw the way that it basically ruined his life.
00:25:50.000I tell people a lot, especially young people, I say, just, I say, I'm not saying never take a drink again, but if you can't go three months without a drink, you got a problem.
00:25:58.000Well, you look at it this way too, and it just becomes a massive cope, right?
00:26:01.000It becomes this cope for, and I always hear this phrase from people and they say, oh, I need a drink.
00:26:06.000I said, what do you, where does that come from?
00:27:33.000I remember I was in Korea once on a military, you know, sort of visit with, you know, I was there as you represent U.S. Navy and then the Korean Navy was there.
00:27:41.000And we were at this dinner with this Korean admiral.
00:27:44.000And he was like, and everybody was doing around, and they wanted you to do a shot and then bang your head into the table and then drink a beer.
00:27:54.000And this was like the big thing that was going on.
00:27:56.000And it was like a way to show loyalty.
00:27:57.000And so he asked the Americans to do it.
00:27:59.000And I said, actually, I don't drink, as a matter of fact.
00:28:02.000So I understand that you guys, I mean, that's great that you're showing your loyalty through this, but that's just not something that I do.
00:28:09.000And so he looked at me and he said, Are you religious?
00:28:38.000Again, I'm not against drinking from a moral perspective because the Bible does allow for that, but drunkenness has no tolerance at all whatsoever in the Bible.
00:28:48.000I want to talk about what it means to live a good and full life.
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00:31:46.000What does it mean to live a good life?
00:31:48.000So, Jack, in today's time, all the chaos around you, all the darkness, what does it mean to live a good life in private life, not just in public life?
00:31:57.000Well, so, you know, I kind of go back.
00:32:06.000And so, Summa Theologica, if you read it, what he's doing was he was trying to basically take the principles of Christianity and then combine them with like Plato and Aristotle, right?
00:32:18.000So, take the take those values and put them all together with the teachings of Christ.
00:32:23.000And so, so, of course, Plato and Aristotle, they talk about talent, they talk about potentiality, they talk about actualization.
00:32:30.000And what Aquinas did was he said, God gives you, just as I was saying in the last bit, he gives you those talents, he gives you your potentiality.
00:32:40.000So, you know, the fully actualized Jack Pesobic and the fully actualized Charlie Kirk are going to be different things, just the same way, you know, and this even gets into politics.
00:32:49.000You talk about, you know, the rights of the individual, rights of the collective, and the idea that you can't have equality because everyone is different, because everyone is going to have different unique talents.
00:32:58.000But the idea, though, is that your life is a journey of being able to realize your full potentiality for good, and that in achieving so along the proper path actually brings you closer to God.
00:33:13.000And this is where some Summatealogica goes.
00:33:15.000And so this is where myself, you know, becoming a father over the past couple of years has really kind of changed my perspective on so many of these things.
00:33:24.000And it also gives you skin in the game, right?
00:33:26.000You become, you're the head of a household now.
00:33:29.000You have these children and you have to raise them.
00:33:33.000And so it makes you want to go back to your own teaching, to your own traditions, to your own religion and say, do I understand this stuff?
00:33:39.000Do I really feel that I'm properly trained and able to actually pass this on?
00:33:45.000And so that's something where, you know, for us as Catholics, that's we're going to Latin Mass more now.
00:33:51.000That's also a huge thing with like these lockdowns and a lot of the more modernist parishes when they said, I never in my life thought that I would have a, I never even occurred to me that I thought that I would ever walk up to a church with my wife, with my children, and see a sign on the door that says, church full.
00:34:08.000You really mean there's, you mean there's no room at the inn?
00:34:14.000It's the complete opposite of what a church is for.
00:34:16.000And, and I think it drove a lot of people to Latin Mass because something with what they do in the original rite, the traditional rite, it's you have the incense, you have the Gregorian chants, it's in Latin, which is, of course, a higher language.
00:35:49.000And so, you know, carrot and stick approach, of course, you know, stickers and, you know, treats and the whole nine yards, but every once in a while, timeouts and hey, you're going to have to practice this 10 times.
00:35:59.000So you do, you do also use this struggle, right?
00:36:04.000You have to institute that ability of struggle and the idea of no, right?
00:36:16.000You cannot have mercy without judgment.
00:36:20.000These are two aspects I think a lot of progressive Christians want to forget about judgment.
00:36:24.000They don't even want to act like it exists.
00:36:25.000Well, they don't even want to act as if justice exists.
00:36:28.000And we're going to talk about justice.
00:36:30.000And we actually touched on this in a previous episode of biblical justice versus secular justice.
00:36:36.000Jack, you see a lot of young people struggling to find their place in the world, trying to understand how to navigate, you know, the chaos that is life.
00:36:46.000You are, you commonly say be a rebel, you know, reject modernity, embrace antiquity.
00:37:20.000And it also gives you a sense of realizing that, you know, I remember when I, you know, the first time I held my first son, we have two kids.
00:37:28.000We have a three-year-old and a 10-month-old.
00:38:16.000Yeah, yeah, you weren't perfect, right?
00:38:18.000And then, and the devil will be there and he'll, you know, he'll repeat every single thing that I've done in my life from, you know, taking a candy bar all the way up to, you know, anything else.
00:38:26.000But God will say, did you bring people to me?
00:39:07.000The, you know, the story about, you know, it's easier for, you know, a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get in heaven.
00:40:32.000I thought it was like a CNN or something.
00:40:34.000Having a child is the greatest act of climate destruction.
00:40:40.000Well, then they must love China because China for 25 years had a one-child policy.
00:40:44.000But that's interesting because China's climate did not become so well in those last 25 years where they were doing the one-child policy with the forced abortions across the country where they were demanding that people wouldn't be up.
00:40:54.000Or if you, you know, if you had a female baby, that they would be placed or either aborted, number one.
00:40:59.000You know, they actually, because they were aborting so many female babies in China that ultrasounds became outlawed.
00:41:06.000So, you know, how they talk about back alley abortions in the U.S.
00:42:51.000And we live in a society today that's been overly secularized.
00:42:55.000We prop up things like, I mean, I'm sorry, but Disney and Harry Potter, I mean, these have almost become, this is the Media Matters clip, by the way.
00:43:03.000Disney and Harry Potter have almost become secular religions in the United States today.
00:43:09.000So Dustin Brandia, that one's for you.
00:43:11.000And so, no, I really mean that, though.
00:43:21.000Because it's spiritually questionable or why?
00:43:24.000No, I don't think it's spiritually questionable, but I think that the movement that's built around it has become an identity movement.
00:43:29.000So people start to identify as a Star Wars fan, the same way they identify as Disney fan.
00:43:34.000I'm not saying that anyone who watches those things, by the way, this will be the part that Media Matters then clips off.
00:43:39.000I don't think that you, obviously, you can watch those things and enjoy them, but there is a certain band of people, certain percentage that actually put that as their personal identity and it becomes a form of worship.
00:43:51.000This is because by and large, they've taken the transcendent, they've taken the church, they've taken God, they've taken Christianity completely out of the public sector.
00:44:00.000But everyone look is always looking for something like that.
00:44:44.000I'm not like, this isn't like a yuckety yuck podcast on a Friday kind of thing.
00:44:48.000This is if you go to an actual organization.
00:44:51.000And so what it is, it's atheists being telling themselves and telling everyone else that they are being satanic ironically to make fun of Christians, to persecute Christians, and then to fight whenever someone stands up, wants to make a moral stand on something like, oh, I don't know, the killing of children and saying we don't want abortion anymore.
00:45:11.000Well, the Satanic Temple says it's our religion and one of our sacraments is abortion.
00:45:16.000And so they're trying to use to subvert the purpose of our laws and subvert the purpose of our constitution by saying it's a religion.
00:45:23.000And so I actually went to their website and I believe you should have said, I'm doing, they're doing sign of the cross on like every click that I go through on this thing where they talk through, you know, actual rights.
00:45:32.000They actually have a right of abortion because they had to write out what they were going to do for their, you know, for this sacrament or else, you know, the court would come back and say, well, what do you do?
00:45:42.000What tell us about your sacrament, right?
00:45:45.000Then there's tenets of Satanism and you're supposed to repeat the satanic prayer.
00:45:48.000And I look at this and I say, you know, I do believe that there is a spiritual war.
00:45:52.000And what better way, by the way, for the enemy to create, you know, the worship of Satan to create something demonic than something like this.
00:46:00.000I'm just saying it's ironic and saying it's just a big joke and it's a laugh on Christians.
00:46:04.000Meanwhile, you've got people who will say, hey, let's go to seances.
00:46:07.000Let's go to fortune tellers, let's mess around with Ouija boards.
00:46:10.000At the end of the day, when you're playing around with something like that, you are trying to seek power outside of God.
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00:48:07.000So, you know, I see progressive Christians get into this a lot where they'll say, oh, well, you know, God don't make mistakes, right?
00:48:14.000Remember, that's something you're always told, God don't make mistakes.
00:48:16.000Well, no, God made you, but you have free will, so you make mistakes, right?
00:48:21.000And your nature is and your nature as you, you know, you have because of the fall from the garden and original sin, the apple, et cetera, et cetera.
00:49:27.000I will be sympathetic to you and I can sit down with you, but I, because I'm trying to change your behavior, because I don't want you to sin anymore.
00:49:35.000So the way I kind of encapsulate it is Jesus will meet you as you are, but Jesus will never leave you where you were.
00:50:23.000You're trying to tell me that when Eric Rudolph did the centennial park bombing, where Richard Jewell got unfairly maligned and accused, we had to be in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, by the way.
00:50:33.000Atlanta Journal Constitution, the absolute worst big city paper in the country.
00:50:39.000You think the New York Times, you got the New York Times right here?
00:51:15.000If you understand the language that it's derived from, and Greek, by the way, when you understand the basic empathy, sympathy and empathy are Greek.
00:51:50.000It's it's um in evangelical world, it's like 101 canned kind of sermon for pastors being like, for God so loved the world, he gave his, you know, one only begotten son and differentiating the different types of love, right?
00:52:02.000Which is the Greeks had four, actually like 10 words for love, the most common four, which is phileo, brotherly love, storge, love of mother and child, eros, romantic love, and agape, sacrificial love, or replacement love, which is what for God so agape the world.
00:52:15.000And Catholics just don't know that as well.
00:52:17.000It's not enough time in a homily to explain that.
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00:55:16.000And look, I'll take flack from both sides for saying this, but I've always kind of said the schism actually was probably more predicated on the political breakup of the Roman Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire, so the creation of Byzantium and the Western Roman Empire than King Justinian.
00:56:02.000And so basically, I always kind of joke that, you know, we got the friends reunion, but the Orthodox Catholic reunion, that's the one we really want.
00:57:06.000We lean into fixing the problem because the same way we have corruption in our government, and we as conservatives try to root that out, this is the same exact thing that's going on.
00:57:38.000Yeah, well, it bothers me so much where I think that's like one of the many deal breakers I have, you know, with Catholicism where it's like you have a social activist as pope.
00:57:50.000The way I look at it is, you know, I don't particularly support the current regime that's in office in the United States, but I'm not going to tear up my U.S. citizenship.
00:57:58.000That I still believe that it's worth fighting for.
00:58:01.000And I guess the bigger challenge I have is the entire idea of popal infallibility, which is a thing, which is when he's wearing the hat and sitting in the chair.
00:58:11.000Well, not just sitting in the chair, but also when he's speaking what's called ex-cathedra.
00:58:16.000So cathedra actually means this is like a chair.
00:58:20.000So people, a great example of this, and we covered it on the podcast recently that I can explain from a Catholic perspective.
00:58:25.000So you had the archdiocese, the archbishop, I should say, of military services in the U.S. come out and say Catholic soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines can reject the vaccine based on religious exemption because of the fact that it was tested on aborted fetal lines.
00:58:50.000Because the Pope, when the Pope said that, when he makes a comment on any social issue, political issue of the day, he's not doing so ex cathedra.
00:58:58.000So he's doing so as the bishop of Rome.
00:59:00.000And at the same token, his wish, the other members of the college of bishops can disagree with him.
00:59:05.000Has Francis said anything ex-cathedra?
00:59:08.000One of his big things that he's been trying to push is changing the death penalty.
00:59:13.000So really trying to change Catholic teaching and doctrine.
00:59:17.000Didn't he say something with climate change as ex-cathedra?
00:59:37.000Infiltration by you name it, but forces that seek to undermine and subvert the will and the authority and the purpose and focus of the church.
00:59:46.000They spend too much time telling people, they spent the last 40 years telling people to look into the mirror instead of look to the cross, right?
00:59:52.000That should be the sole purpose of the church, to guide people into heaven, to teach them to sacrifice and to worship God and Christ the King, and to do so through going to Mass.
01:00:06.000And then also to ask people to forget, you know, to understand their sins, to confess them.
01:00:11.000And something that actually I'll even throw out that I think the Orthodox Church does very well is that, you know, when you go to confession, the Orthodox Church, they will actually talk to you about your sins.
01:00:21.000And it's not just, hey, man, say a couple of Hair Marys and our Fathers and everything's good.
01:00:39.000We have this whole, we have whole, you know, self-help sections of books and everything else, but this actually should have been the role of the priest at the parish level, right?
01:00:50.000The whole idea, by the way, you know, of the church was that it was going to be parish-led, the original idea.
01:00:56.000So it wasn't necessarily going to be top-down other than in these sort of like very heady affairs of theology, right?
01:01:04.000The Pope isn't supposed to be coming into the parish and telling people how to live.
01:02:01.000And that's something that I think the evangelicals, you know, my uncle is an evangelical and he, you know, Sunday, it's, it's the whole day.
01:02:10.000You know, you go in the morning and then you're having lunch and then maybe you're doing a Bible study in the evening and his entire day, really his entire life is centered around the church body.
01:02:20.000And I think, I think that's something amazing.
01:02:22.000And I think that's something that Catholics, just as from a cultural sense, need to really get back to.
01:02:27.000Yeah, I think what evangelicals get right is in the name, evangelizing.
01:02:33.000What I think evangelicals have trouble with and what need focus on, number one, the slippage on social conservatism recently has been really disappointing.
01:02:43.000Well, you have, you have both threads, right?
01:02:44.000You do kind of have the more social conservatives, but then you have the progressives.
01:02:48.000Yes, but you see formally socially conservative denominations and churches that slip.
01:02:53.000And the thing about Catholicism that is compelling is, hey, it's in the teaching that marriage is one man, one woman.
01:03:00.000It's in the teaching that where life begins.
01:03:04.000So there's a constancy to that, like a constant, unchanging nature.
01:03:08.000I can go back to, and this is, by the way, on the death penalty, this has been one of the things where, you know, Francis has tried to really update the church's dogma on this and totally throw out stuff that has been concrete for thousands of years.
01:03:53.000That's never been church teaching only until the modern age.
01:03:56.000My other big critique of Catholicism, and this is not true for recent converts and it's not true for you, but there is a sometimes a passive nature of people's relationship with Christ.
01:04:05.000And I don't think that's an intention of the Catholic Church, but because of not always reading the word, because of, in my personal opinion, not taking it personally in your own capacity, that there seems to always have to be a conduit, an intercessor.
01:04:20.000And Catholic would say, well, what's wrong with that?
01:04:35.000I think the word of God is open for all people who wish to access it and will speak freely into your life.
01:04:40.000Well, so this is where, though, this is where you lose some of the social conservatism, though, because when you say interpretation, it doesn't just mean like, what does this passage mean to you?
01:04:52.000It means what does our church teach what this passage means?
01:04:56.000And let me be clear, evangelicals do not believe that there's an unlimited interpretation to the text, right?
01:05:01.000So it doesn't believe that Joe and Sally and Sue are all going to be able to read the book of Job and say, hey, you know what the takeaway of the book of Job is?
01:05:14.000Yeah, I saw this one, you know, I watched some of these TikTok pastors and progressives.
01:05:20.000And there was this one guy, he's out of DC and lit him up on Twitter because he was accusing Jesus of using a racial slur for the Samaritan woman.
01:05:52.000With that being said, though, there is a disagreement in the Catholic Church.
01:05:56.000There's an underemphasis on reading the word where we as Christians believe it's a breathing, living, not breathing, living document in the sense of the Constitution, but you read the word, it could speak to you in your very moment and be compelling and give you wisdom.
01:06:10.000What we tend to argue about more is what should the teaching of the church be on this specific topic.
01:06:16.000Yeah, and that there's a lot of agreement, I think, that's happening on that.
01:06:20.000There's just the kind of the Pope transubstantiation, which honestly isn't my biggest hang-up, which used to be, so Jack, you're going to convert to evangelicalism?
01:06:40.000If you could bring sort of like the social conservative evangelicals and then the Orthodox, the Eastern Orthodox, who totally still, I think, are the ones who get the spirituality best.
01:06:51.000Yeah, I think Orthodox have an underemphasis on the Holy Spirit.
01:07:48.000So All Hallows Eve then was sort of like evolved into Halloween.
01:07:55.000And so the idea is that All Saints Day is the next day, so that's all the saints in heaven.
01:07:59.000So I think that as long as you emphasize that that's what Halloween means, the same way that, you know, there's secular Christmas, but then there's also obviously the Nativity, that you can do both as long as you're making sure to emphasize the fullness of the Christian holiday.
01:08:14.000Yeah, I'm not a fan of a lot of kind of the spiritual.
01:09:17.000I think that if you're going to, I think that if you're going to yoga just and you're just doing stretches and breathing, obviously that's fine.
01:09:24.000You know, I've heard some, I don't have a, I don't have an opinion on this either, but if you're going and I've heard Christians say yoga is a gateway to this stuff.
01:09:31.000But if you're going, it can be, absolutely can be.
01:09:33.000If you're going to yoga and you're following along with the more spiritual practices of it, then yes, that's obviously not Christian.
01:09:40.000Because there is a spiritual element that can beat the yoga.
01:09:45.000And so What is the consequence of not being on your guard as it says in 1 Peter?
01:09:53.000Satan roams the earth like a lion looking for those to devour.
01:10:16.000So you're exposing yourself to things.
01:10:19.000Rand, if you're not coming to it from a Christian basis, if you're not making sure that you are completely tied to that, then you don't know.
01:10:29.000That's probably the greatest example I can say of this.
01:10:31.000Just read the screw tape letters, understand how the demonic works, how it's not, you know, it's not a little guy with a pitchfork and hooves and, you know, horns on the head, right?