The Charlie Kirk Show - Ask Charlie Anything 83: Inside the Shade War Between Joe and Kamala with Jack Posobiec

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00:01:21.000 Let's start with this one.

00:01:23.000 Why would billionaires rig the election for Biden when Biden wanted more of their money while Trump did not from Joe?

00:01:23.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:01:28.000 I'll start with that and then Jack can dive into it.

00:01:31.000 This is kind of pairing off this question of Mark Zuckerberg putting in $419.5 million into the 2020 election.

00:01:39.000 Zuckerbux.

00:01:40.000 And part of it is not necessarily because of tax rates.

00:01:44.000 By the way, Charlie, can C3s do that legally? 1.00

00:01:47.000 Well, no, absolutely not.

00:01:49.000 It's just so funny.

00:01:50.000 If anyone ever has a question of non-partisan nonprofit interference, I'm going to send them a link to the Center for Technology and Civic Life where 25 out of 26 of the counties that they played ball in in Georgia were overwhelmingly Biden counties, and the biggest distribution of resources were Biden-Bellwether counties.

00:02:07.000 Something tells me, though, that Janet Yellen, right, because she's Treasury, which is IRS, something tells me she's not going to be investigating CTCL.

00:02:14.000 I don't, I wonder why that is.

00:02:15.000 No, that's not going to happen.

00:02:17.000 And so this is not about tax rates.

00:02:19.000 This is about power.

00:02:20.000 They wanted to be on the right side of the government or the companies that were going to potentially going to regulate them and break them up.

00:02:27.000 Now, in some ways, Biden has deviated from this from some of his Federal Trade Commission picks of people that are at least posturing that they're going to break up these companies.

00:02:35.000 But more than anything else, and I want your opinion on this, Jack, Zuckerberg had to try to quell a staff revolt within his company from leaks and dissension, not the fake whistle, not the fake Facebook whistleblower, but legitimate type dissension and rebellion because they deep down believe that Facebook was a co-conspirator in getting Donald Trump elected in 2016.

00:02:57.000 You know, Frances Haugen, who I call her the Facebook Karen, she's a big part of this, actually.

00:03:02.000 And this is not a Facebook whistleblower.

00:03:04.000 It's a Facebook whistleblower operation.

00:03:06.000 And what she's doing, we can see that she's clearly a Democrat left-wing activist.

00:03:10.000 Whistleblowers, what they do is they're supposed to come out and tell you something nefarious that the company organization institution is doing and then lying about to the rest of the country.

00:03:19.000 That's not what she's doing.

00:03:20.000 She hasn't revealed any information that nobody knew about Facebook before.

00:03:24.000 What she's doing is coming out and saying Facebook needs to censor more. 1.00

00:03:29.000 And this ties back to the ESG stuff.

00:03:31.000 This ties back to power.

00:03:32.000 This ties back to even though, right, Zuckerberg can puts in this $450 million for the election.

00:03:40.000 It doesn't matter because this is about what there are four essential power nodes in the United States right now.

00:03:45.000 There's a four essential nodes.

00:03:46.000 There's Wall Street.

00:03:47.000 Now, previously, there were three.

00:03:49.000 It was Wall Street, DC, and Hollywood, right?

00:03:52.000 And now the fourth one has arisen over the last 15 years, and that's Silicon Valley.

00:03:56.000 So those are your four, those are your four big power nodes.

00:03:59.000 So what you're seeing now is a fight basically between who is going to be in charge.

00:04:04.000 And basically they're looking at Silicon Valley saying, hey, you guys are running away with this.

00:04:08.000 You're making off like bandits.

00:04:10.000 You've got too much money.

00:04:11.000 You've got way too much influence, way too much power.

00:04:13.000 So Mark Zuckerberg, that $415 million, you have to kind of look at that as a way of him sort of, that's an olive branch.

00:04:19.000 That's an olive branch.

00:04:21.000 But it's not about tax rates because people say, why do you want to do that?

00:04:23.000 No, It's not a tax rate.

00:04:25.000 Tax rates is about you.

00:04:27.000 I know, but some people are saying, understandably, I don't get why they want Biden who's going to raise their taxes.

00:04:32.000 Biden's not going to touch any of their money.

00:04:35.000 Biden's not going to do anything.

00:04:36.000 You think those guys have, first of all, Mark Zuckerberg doesn't have an income, right?

00:04:40.000 Mark Zuckerberg's income.

00:04:42.000 He has a net worth, right?

00:04:42.000 No, no, no.

00:04:44.000 And his money, if it exists anywhere, it's not on pay.

00:04:47.000 He's not Scrooge McDuck, where he's got his money like out in some vault somewhere.

00:04:49.000 He's got it in Cayman Islands.

00:04:51.000 He's got it tied up in different, obviously in real estate.

00:04:53.000 We've got Bill Gates, of course, buying up all the farmland.

00:04:56.000 And stock certificates for Facebook.

00:04:58.000 Stocks are always about what is going to make Facebook more powerful.

00:05:01.000 100%.

00:05:02.000 That's very important.

00:05:02.000 100%.

00:05:03.000 The tax rate, marginal tax rates going up is about the upper middle class, the middle class, people that have a lot of interesting businesses, which is usually small businesses.

00:05:12.000 And preventing you from being able to attain that kind of wealth, by the way, because they want to keep interest rates low.

00:05:19.000 So it's essentially if you pair it with inflation, it's negative interest rates.

00:05:22.000 You're going to keep low.

00:05:23.000 They don't want you owning anything.

00:05:25.000 They don't want you generating wealth.

00:05:26.000 They don't teach financial literacy in this country for an obvious reason because they want to keep you ignorant of this stuff.

00:05:31.000 Because when they say, oh, we're going to raise the tax rates on the 1%.

00:05:34.000 No, it's not about the 1%.

00:05:35.000 It's about the 0.01%.

00:05:37.000 They're not paying.

00:05:38.000 Worm Buffett doesn't pay an income tax. 0.91

00:05:40.000 It's ridiculous. 0.96

00:05:41.000 It's all a con. 0.99

00:05:42.000 It's all a con.

00:05:43.000 Well, and part of it, they might pay capital gains tax only if, though, they don't have comparable losses to show against it.

00:05:49.000 Right.

00:05:50.000 And so this is important because again, they game the system to make sure they do.

00:05:53.000 Right.

00:05:54.000 Well, and so Bezos and Musk and all these guys, they will have solar panel farms or whatever to offset the losses.

00:06:01.000 This is why Cylinder exists.

00:06:01.000 Right.

00:06:03.000 Yes.

00:06:03.000 We know it fails because then that offsets the losses.

00:06:03.000 Right.

00:06:07.000 Okay, let's get to the next one.

00:06:08.000 Charlie, before we do that, Wall Street Journal, the FDA has delayed a decision on clearing Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for 12 to 17 year olds while it looks into the risk of the heart condition myocarditis.

00:06:25.000 So it has been cleared by the FDA?

00:06:27.000 Has not.

00:06:27.000 Has not has not.

00:06:28.000 They were going to, they were looking at, Biden was talking about this.

00:06:30.000 Biden was talking about this coming out potentially today, potentially as early as Monday.

00:06:35.000 Now the FDA is pumping the brakes on this, saying, look, this myocarditis, we're getting signals from where?

00:06:41.000 Oh, by the way, that's right.

00:06:42.000 The theirs database, because where else would you get it from?

00:06:45.000 They're getting information that says, I don't know.

00:06:49.000 It looks like there's some problems with the myocarditis.

00:06:52.000 That's everyone else to shut up about.

00:06:54.000 So Nathan says, Charlie, my friends do not believe me when I say there might be problems with the vaccine.

00:06:58.000 How do I combat that?

00:07:00.000 So this is actually an answer to that.

00:07:01.000 So build that out even more.

00:07:02.000 Right.

00:07:02.000 So this is a great answer to that because remember, we've been told, you know, there's that sort of meme of like, just trust us.

00:07:08.000 Just trust us, bro.

00:07:09.000 Just trust us, bro.

00:07:10.000 There's no problems.

00:07:10.000 Just take this.

00:07:11.000 When, of course, all last year throughout the election, you could play the videos of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden both saying, I don't know if I'd trust a vaccine that came out with only one year of development.

00:07:23.000 Take the politics out of it, right?

00:07:24.000 Take the politics out of it.

00:07:25.000 When something is introduced like this, think of technology.

00:07:29.000 Think of like a new iPhone or a new iPad or something like that.

00:07:32.000 The first edition is always buggy, right?

00:07:34.000 Everyone says, now we're getting the 1.0.

00:07:36.000 You get 2.0, you get 3.0, et cetera, right?

00:07:39.000 We're in a situation like that.

00:07:40.000 However, this isn't an iPhone in your pocket.

00:07:43.000 It's not an iPad in your hand.

00:07:44.000 This is your health.

00:07:45.000 This is your body.

00:07:46.000 And guess how many of those you get?

00:07:47.000 You get one.

00:07:48.000 You only get one.

00:07:49.000 I know the transhumanists have a different opinion on this, but you still get one. 0.99

00:07:53.000 What is transhumanism?

00:07:54.000 So transhumanism is this idea of, you know, it starts off very small with like wearable technology, but then it gets into what Elon Musk is doing with Neuralink.

00:08:05.000 It gets into this idea of merging man and machine.

00:08:07.000 And I don't mean like Darth Vader.

00:08:09.000 I mean actually sort of uploading your consciousness as an AI, uploading your memories.

00:08:14.000 And I don't mean like legacy box.

00:08:16.000 I mean like actually converting your own body into part machine.

00:08:21.000 And it's very, very far beyond.

00:08:24.000 And it even gets to the point.

00:08:25.000 It gets it dabbles in eugenics a little bit, this whole movement.

00:08:28.000 And they just had a huge conference, but I think in Madrid, Spain, talking about all this and how they want to move forward.

00:08:34.000 And again, it's a situation where people are driving down the road of this thing.

00:08:39.000 But to use that old Michael Crichton saying, you know, the scientists are spending so much time wondering what they could rather than wondering if they should.

00:08:49.000 And they're going to try to create human cyborgs very, very soon.

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00:10:20.000 Hey, Charlie, can you dive deeper into Joe Biden's sinking approval numbers?

00:10:23.000 Really represent, does this mean Americans actually disagree with his policies and socialist agenda?

00:10:27.000 I'm under the impression that they have no intention ever to run Joe Biden for president again.

00:10:31.000 And this is a run it into the ground and replace it.

00:10:34.000 People will forget about it and Joe Biden will be known as a Woodrow Wilson-style president who changed the paradigm and the framing of American politics and will be known as the man who is willing to do what can be done when you actually don't care about the political consequence associated with it.

00:10:50.000 Jack hasn't Woodrow Wilson go nuts?

00:10:52.000 Woodrow Wilson lost his mind. 0.79

00:10:53.000 Nervous breakdown.

00:10:54.000 Total nervous breakdown.

00:10:55.000 But he was, in my opinion, his wife was kind of like running the show. 1.00

00:10:58.000 She ran the show in 1918 and 19.

00:11:00.000 I bring this up for no reason.

00:11:02.000 I don't bring this up to a similar thing.

00:11:05.000 I'm a student of Woodrow Wilson.

00:11:07.000 And if you understand Woodrow Wilson, you know a lot of people.

00:11:10.000 So Woodrow Wilson explains it very clearly.

00:11:12.000 He said, we're going to build an organic administrative state.

00:11:16.000 And this state is going to take over the permanent role of a government class and change who we are as human beings.

00:11:23.000 Right.

00:11:23.000 So the bureaucracy is going to run the government and then Congress and the president and the judiciary.

00:11:28.000 That's going to be just some window dressing on top kind of thing.

00:11:31.000 And it's a very German idea.

00:11:33.000 Well, it's German historicism.

00:11:34.000 It's the German idea. 0.87

00:11:35.000 He partnered with John Dewey, who went to Johns Hopkins.

00:11:37.000 And so this is what happens when a college professor becomes president.

00:11:41.000 And by the way, if you guys want to learn Wilson, yeah, he ran Princeton and was a professor there.

00:11:46.000 Mark really went to Princeton too.

00:11:47.000 The only PhD ever to become president is Woodrow Wilson.

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00:11:59.000 And if there is, if there are some things that Jack and I are talking about, they're like, what is that?

00:12:03.000 I don't get it.

00:12:04.000 Almost all of this can be sourced back to the amazing wisdom of our partners at Hillsdale College, Charlie4Hillsdale.com.

00:12:09.000 I take their online courses.

00:12:11.000 I'm getting Jack to take them too.

00:12:13.000 Jack probably already knows a bunch of that stuff.

00:12:14.000 That was smooth, Barbara.

00:12:15.000 That was very smooth.

00:12:16.000 I didn't even know we were leading up to one.

00:12:17.000 You were just like, boom.

00:12:18.000 Isn't that great?

00:12:18.000 That was good.

00:12:19.000 Charlie4Hillsdale.com.

00:12:21.000 It is, and send your kids to Hillsdale.

00:12:23.000 They'll love the Lord.

00:12:24.000 They'll pursue truth.

00:12:25.000 They'll understand beauty, and they'll be when I was at Wonder.

00:12:29.000 I'm going to give somebody a show out.

00:12:30.000 Shout out.

00:12:31.000 Stefan Kleinhens.

00:12:32.000 He was an intern for us and then sort of became a reporter when I was at One American News.

00:12:37.000 And he was a Hillsdale guy.

00:12:39.000 And actually, when I was talking at one point when he was coming towards the end of his internship and he was going back to school, I want to say, look, man, I'm a dad now.

00:12:47.000 Can you just tell me what did your parents do?

00:12:50.000 Because you just came out right, right?

00:12:52.000 You know, everything that's going on in the country, everything that's going on in the world, but he's just smart.

00:12:57.000 Got his head on Hillsdale.

00:12:58.000 He's got a lot of Hillsdale college.

00:12:59.000 And he went to Hillsdale.

00:13:00.000 And so I'm like, okay.

00:13:01.000 It's because Hillsdale developed the full human being, which is what college does not do today, even the conservative colleges.

00:13:07.000 Hillsdale talks about the soul, talks about the magnanimous man, courage, what it means to be a full human being.

00:13:13.000 I'm so blown away.

00:13:14.000 So you mean what colleges were founded solitude?

00:13:16.000 Jack, I'm going to take you to Hillsdale at some point.

00:13:18.000 You will be blown away.

00:13:19.000 And they got a really good Catholic community there, too.

00:13:22.000 Hung out with my boy Anton.

00:13:23.000 Michael Anton.

00:13:23.000 Yeah.

00:13:24.000 He is the man.

00:13:25.000 Charlie4Hillsdale.com to check it out.

00:13:27.000 Okay, Jack.

00:13:29.000 Why are his numbers going down?

00:13:30.000 And why do people, why does the Biden regime not care?

00:13:34.000 Okay, well, number one, his numbers are going, his numbers aren't going down.

00:13:37.000 It's the perception of him as going to where it should have always been.

00:13:41.000 This is, remember, Joe Biden was a creation of the media.

00:13:41.000 Right?

00:13:44.000 Nobody wanted Joe Biden to be president back in 2019, right?

00:13:48.000 He was never pushed up as someone that anybody organically wanted, but he was basically the last man in the room after these sort of, you know, Kamala Harris drops out.

00:13:57.000 By the way, Charlie, you and I both got as many primary votes and electoral college votes as Kamala Harris, zero, because she dropped out.

00:14:04.000 But Joe Biden's the last man staying, the last man in the room.

00:14:08.000 He ends up kind of getting it by default.

00:14:09.000 He benefits from Mark Zuckerberg and all this activity.

00:14:12.000 And then people find, remember, the entire campaign, but he's in his basement the whole time, doesn't even do like any actual public events or they're in their trucks.

00:14:19.000 It's this weird dystopian hunger games kind of stuff going on.

00:14:22.000 So his numbers are where they should have always been because people are finally getting a good look at him.

00:14:26.000 The bloom is off the road.

00:14:28.000 The media can only fake these things for so long.

00:14:30.000 So a psychological operation can only run for as long as you're not really paying that much attention to it.

00:14:35.000 The minute it gets scrutiny, like Rushigate or any one of these things, it falls apart completely.

00:14:39.000 That's what you're seeing with Joe Biden.

00:14:40.000 That's why people call him the Titanic behind his back in the White House.

00:14:43.000 And who are those people calling him Titanic behind the back is White House?

00:14:46.000 That's Kamala Harris. 0.98

00:14:47.000 So I've talked about this.

00:14:48.000 We talk about it on Human Events Daily pretty frequently.

00:14:50.000 We call it the shade war, the shade war between Team Kamala and Team Biden.

00:14:54.000 And Team Kamala is poised to take the presidency.

00:14:58.000 They want to take the reins.

00:14:59.000 Look, the people in government.

00:15:00.000 And there's an internal coup that could be happening in the White House.

00:15:03.000 I don't even think it's a coup necessarily.

00:15:05.000 I think it's just they've got Biden for as long as they, as long as he can hit.

00:15:08.000 He fell asleep at his nephew's wedding in Kennedy Square, Pennsylvania.

00:15:12.000 You know, Chin to chest, you know, got up and went to Chapriani's brother's sandwich. 0.88

00:15:16.000 And then, look, you've got Kamala Harris out there putting out these ridiculous videos with child actors. 1.00

00:15:21.000 She doesn't care. 0.95

00:15:22.000 She doesn't care how she's perceived because she knows that she's going to become president by default. 1.00

00:15:27.000 Selected, not elected, our first female president. 0.75

00:15:31.000 And by the way, they're even discussing changes they want to make to the cabinet and who she'd like to pick as a vice president.

00:15:38.000 Well, maybe it will be Pete Buttigieg, who has been MIA.

00:15:41.000 I want to cut this conversation.

00:15:42.000 I'm going to keep this conversation going about the shade war happening in the White House as the regime falls apart and unfortunately the country alongside it.

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00:16:51.000 I've seen Jack talk about the shade war.

00:16:54.000 I'm really interested in knowing more about Joe Biden versus Kamala.

00:16:57.000 What's the dynamic like?

00:16:58.000 Oh, it's huge.

00:16:59.000 Build out that out more.

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00:17:02.000 Thank you.

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00:17:05.000 Go ahead, Jack.

00:17:06.000 There you go.

00:17:07.000 Yeah.

00:17:07.000 So the Shade War has been going on.

00:17:08.000 I mean, we all kind of know that Kamala Harris, of course, was nobody else's pick either.

00:17:13.000 However, in the wake of George Floyd, the Black Lives Matter movement, Joe Biden was kind of in a box.

00:17:18.000 He had to choose someone who was African-American.

00:17:21.000 And then, so Kamala Harris was the one a lot of the media, a lot of the elites have been pushing her early on. 1.00

00:17:27.000 Remember, very early on, she did that town hall with Jake Tapper just out of nowhere.

00:17:31.000 Nobody was talking about Kamala.

00:17:33.000 And suddenly CNN is feeding her on the entire audience saying, oh, Kamala's going to be amazing.

00:17:38.000 She's going to be great.

00:17:40.000 Very, very not good on her feet, obviously.

00:17:42.000 But like Hillary Clinton in many ways, she's kind of the California version of Hillary Clinton, where she plays the inside game. 1.00

00:17:48.000 She understands what's going on.

00:17:49.000 She plays people against each other in, you know, the inside politics, the office politics, the palace intrigue, if you will. 0.99

00:17:56.000 I mean, look, she went from somebody who was a staffer in San Francisco all the way up to being the senator from San Francisco.

00:18:04.000 And, you know, people want to talk about how she did it, but my point is she did it.

00:18:08.000 She made it happen, right?

00:18:09.000 That's ambition.

00:18:10.000 That's 100% ambition.

00:18:12.000 This is what she has dedicated her life to.

00:18:14.000 So what I wanted to go to Joe and say, you know, Joe, you're not supposed to put someone as your vice president that you know will betray you the minute they get the chance, right?

00:18:23.000 You know, with Trump and Pence, you never had that with Bush and Cheney.

00:18:26.000 And obviously with Obama and Biden, right?

00:18:28.000 Biden was never a threat to anybody.

00:18:29.000 By the way, Charlie, did you notice that comment, by the way, that Biden made very early on when he said, you know, this is the first time I'm in the White House residence?

00:18:39.000 Do you remember when he said that?

00:18:41.000 And I remember thinking, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:18:43.000 Why is nobody picking, analyzing that a little bit more?

00:18:45.000 You were in the White House for eight years, right?

00:18:47.000 So the vice president lives in the Naval Observatory, which is up towards Rock Creek in Washington, D.C., and the president lives in the White House.

00:18:54.000 But that means for all of those eight years, Barack Obama never once invited you to dinner, right?

00:19:00.000 That was your place in the Obama-Biden White House.

00:19:04.000 You weren't even invited to dinner for eight years, dinner, breakfast.

00:19:08.000 Hey, let's grab a coffee, Joe.

00:19:09.000 No, none of it, right?

00:19:11.000 That was his role.

00:19:12.000 It's kind of, it's actually kind of hilarious to me.

00:19:14.000 So never was a threat to anybody.

00:19:17.000 And he's window dressing.

00:19:18.000 He's absolute window dressing Kamala Harris.

00:19:20.000 And so, by the way, the people around Joe Biden, so Jill Biden, of course, is the one who's propping him up.

00:19:26.000 She's the one who woke him up at the wedding.

00:19:27.000 You know, she gets kind of stern with him because he gets groggy.

00:19:29.000 He gets a little cranky.

00:19:30.000 And so she kind of snaps him back in place.

00:19:32.000 And then Ron Klain, of course, is chief of staff.

00:19:34.000 And as you can imagine, Jen Saki.

00:19:36.000 These are sort of the leaders of Team B, Team Biden.

00:19:39.000 And they know what's happening.

00:19:41.000 And so one of the things that they do to try to trip up Kamala Harris, I think you know where I'm going with this, they give her all the no-win situations. 0.53

00:19:49.000 So what do they do?

00:19:50.000 Border the border.

00:19:51.000 They give her the economy they want. 1.00

00:19:53.000 They were talking about giving her Covid response.

00:19:55.000 They wanted to give her Afghanistan. 0.99

00:19:57.000 Right, you know, and you get this comment from her you're gonna put that crap on me, right? 0.95

00:20:01.000 They know that she is the freight train coming and they're on the side of the Titanic and there's not much more you can do about that. 0.92

00:20:07.000 However comma, notice that when Kamala Harris brought on her new strategic communications director, who did she hire the brother-in-law of Jen Sake. 1.00

00:20:18.000 So, as i've been kind of reading the tea leaves on this palace intrigue um, i've said, you know, I wonder if that's a little bit of an olive branch between team K and team b, or is it Jen Sake wondering?

00:20:30.000 You know, i'd like.

00:20:31.000 She said that she's going to leave after one year because she's got little kids and, by the way, I I applaud that.

00:20:35.000 If she actually wants to go back and spend time with her kids, I think she'll be a cable news contributor two months. 1.00

00:20:35.000 I think that's great. 1.00

00:20:41.000 But I think yeah, I think she's going to be a cable news contributor and she wants to be in tight because she knows where the chips are falling, she knows what's happening, she wants to be in tight with Kamala. 0.72

00:20:49.000 That's why you see the hire of her brother-in-law with Kamala Harris, folks look, you know it's funny.

00:20:55.000 Um, a vice tried to do a hit on me once when they said, um, you know, when I was in the military, I was in the IC I didn't uh, I didn't have a public twitter account or anything, but what I did is I ran a Game Of Thrones blog for years and years and um, so i've read the book series like five times and student history.

00:21:10.000 But I say, if you haven't read the actual Game Of Thrones books, I don't think you on you can understand dc properly until you understand what's going on.

00:21:18.000 And this is true under the Trump administration and it's 10 times more true under the Biden administration, because you've got, you've got Circe and you've got uh, lannisters and little fingers and all the rest of it and um, you know obviously the, the tv show, edited a massive failure.

00:21:32.000 Um, but you know, just understanding the dynamics like to be clear folks, this isn't, it's not always ideological.

00:21:40.000 A lot of this it's a greed, it's human nature, it's avarice.

00:21:44.000 Right, these are some of the sins that people give into.

00:21:46.000 That's part of humans, that's original sin, that's your sinful nature, that's man has fallen, but understanding uh, the Hobbesian dynamics of humanity, then when you're put into that pressure, you're put into a place like the White House, all of that comes out tenfold.

00:22:00.000 Human nature is nasty.

00:22:01.000 Well, I should say, I should say, when you put people who don't have uh faith, who don't have religion, who are not following Christianity I mean Joe Biden, they follow.

00:22:10.000 The prince that's, you know, says that he's Catholic right no, they follow. 1.00

00:22:13.000 Yeah, they're Machiavelli, right.

00:22:14.000 Joe Biden says he's Catholic, he's going to meet with the pope and I say great, they can talk about abortion, testing of vaccines together.

00:22:19.000 Yeah, we have.

00:22:20.000 Uh, i'm not going to make a Catholic joke, it's okay Charlie, you can make a Catholic.

00:22:26.000 You have two non-profits.

00:22:29.000 If only the pope was Catholic okay, email us your thoughts at Charliekirk.com and I say, this is actually a Pro-Catholic evangelical, legitimately.

00:22:37.000 I have a lot of respect for Catholics.

00:22:38.000 The obvious disagreements that i'm not Catholic, all right, this is a good question.

00:22:42.000 Sherman from Grand Rapids, I commonly say, just as some background, because the reference is in the question, be the same person in public that you are in private, because stop pretending to be somebody that you're not.

00:22:53.000 So if you are in private a conservative, be a conservative in public.

00:22:57.000 Charlie, you always say that you should be the same person in public that you are in private.

00:23:00.000 I agree, but what does it look like to be a good person In private, so you carry over that good behavior publicly?

00:23:05.000 I hear Jack talk about his years of sobriety.

00:23:07.000 I hear you talk about the need to explore big ideas and always be constantly learning.

00:23:13.000 Can the two of you just expand on what it looks like to be a good person, specifically a good man in today's day, an aid Sherman from Grand Rapids?

00:23:20.000 It's kind of an open-ended question, but I'd go back to the Gospels where we're taught to be in the world, but not of the world, right?

00:23:30.000 So the idea that when people meet you, that you can talk that, you know, I can make cultural references to like Game of Thrones and Harry Potter and Star Wars and everything else.

00:23:38.000 But when you meet them, when you meet someone, or I should say when they meet you, rather, that they should come off with the sense of that person is grounded in something different and something that's a little bit different than what's pumped onto TV every day.

00:23:52.000 What has your sobriety meant for your life?

00:23:55.000 Not drinking.

00:23:56.000 So, yeah, for me early on, and I wasn't someone, you know, I didn't do AA, I never considered myself an alcoholic, but it got to a point where I said, you know what?

00:24:05.000 I'm done with this.

00:24:06.000 I'm totally done with this.

00:24:07.000 And why'd you get to that point?

00:24:09.000 You know, I've told some stories about this before, but I had a friend who, you know, I had a friend who got arrested over it, and I saw the way that it basically ruined his life.

00:24:16.000 And this was early on, early 20s.

00:24:18.000 And I saw how just so many doors were closed to him, were completely closed after what happened.

00:24:24.000 And I said, you know, for my life, looking at it, it's just not worth it.

00:24:27.000 It's just, it's not worth even going down that road.

00:24:30.000 And plus, I get to wake up every morning feeling amazing right now.

00:24:33.000 And not just because I sleep on my pillows, which I do.

00:24:36.000 Promo code Kirk.

00:24:37.000 There's another promo code out there that people.

00:24:39.000 But not on this show.

00:24:41.000 But seriously, we do sleep on my pillows, actually, and the toppers and the sheets.

00:24:45.000 But my wife loves them.

00:24:46.000 Seriously, I have no assistance.

00:24:47.000 Slippers really does.

00:24:48.000 I don't have the slippers yet.

00:24:49.000 I don't have the slippers yet.

00:24:49.000 Promo code Kirk is the only way to go.

00:24:52.000 Yeah, okay.

00:24:53.000 And you have your mental.

00:24:56.000 The way I look at it is this: the way I look at it is this: parable of talents, right?

00:25:00.000 Parable of talents is that the idea behind that is that God gives you your talents.

00:25:04.000 God gives you your gifts.

00:25:06.000 He doesn't give them to you so that you can bury them under the ground and hide them.

00:25:11.000 But you're right.

00:25:12.000 Right.

00:25:12.000 It is currency.

00:25:13.000 It applies perfectly for the English term, too.

00:25:15.000 You're right.

00:25:15.000 And so I look at it and I say, I've been given whatever gifts I've been given, whatever meager gifts I've been given by God.

00:25:24.000 And this is something that dilutes them.

00:25:27.000 It's something that affects your brain chemistry.

00:25:29.000 It's something that affects your health.

00:25:31.000 This doesn't seem like I'm being a good steward of God's talents if I'm doing that.

00:25:35.000 Yeah, I'm not a fan of drinking at all.

00:25:37.000 I'm not morally opposed to it.

00:25:38.000 I am morally opposed to drunkenness, which the Bible speaks out against.

00:25:41.000 Correct.

00:25:42.000 So I've got, I just hit 16 years.

00:25:44.000 16 years without a drink.

00:25:46.000 That's a big deal.

00:25:46.000 16 years, yeah.

00:25:47.000 And you've seen your life improve because of that.

00:25:49.000 100%.

00:25:50.000 I tell people a lot, especially young people, I say, just, I say, I'm not saying never take a drink again, but if you can't go three months without a drink, you got a problem.

00:25:58.000 Well, you look at it this way too, and it just becomes a massive cope, right?

00:26:01.000 It becomes this cope for, and I always hear this phrase from people and they say, oh, I need a drink.

00:26:06.000 I said, what do you, where does that come from?

00:26:06.000 Oh, man.

00:26:08.000 Why, are you using alcohol as a crutch in your life?

00:26:12.000 You know, are you so wound up?

00:26:14.000 Are you accepting, right?

00:26:15.000 You can find inner peace in life.

00:26:18.000 You can find that through a relationship with God.

00:26:20.000 You can find that through the church.

00:26:21.000 You can find that from reading your Bible.

00:26:23.000 If you find inner peace, then chaos is the world, man.

00:26:25.000 The world's always going to be crazy.

00:26:27.000 That's kind of the point, right?

00:26:29.000 So if you're using, so don't put alcohol as your piece, as your crutch.

00:26:29.000 That's correct.

00:26:34.000 And when I hear people say that phrase, it always kind of, I don't know, never sits right.

00:26:38.000 Well, it's also become a kind of social thing.

00:26:40.000 And I was at a thing with my wife.

00:26:42.000 Oh, if you don't do it, you get it.

00:26:44.000 Well, yeah, I haven't drank in a long time.

00:26:47.000 And only in family situations.

00:26:50.000 I don't think you know much about my, I have a reputation for not drinking.

00:26:55.000 In the political world, almost everyone drinks.

00:26:57.000 And again, I'm not morally opposed to it.

00:26:59.000 I just, I can't even remember the last time I took a drink, honestly.

00:27:01.000 And I'd have to think about it.

00:27:02.000 That's cool.

00:27:03.000 But we were at an event where everyone was drinking and it became kind of like the center of conversation.

00:27:10.000 Like, why aren't you drinking?

00:27:11.000 What's wrong with you?

00:27:12.000 Why not this?

00:27:13.000 And you kind of have to almost be like draw the line, be like, why do you care so much about me drinking?

00:27:18.000 And it does, it really kind of is this thing where you want to proselytize other people to drink a lot of people.

00:27:23.000 So I've been in situations to kind of, you know, I'll grab like a soda and have that in my hand.

00:27:23.000 Right.

00:27:28.000 So people kind of think, oh, it must be a mixed drink or something to kind of get myself out of that.

00:27:32.000 Or there's also been times.

00:27:33.000 I remember I was in Korea once on a military, you know, sort of visit with, you know, I was there as you represent U.S. Navy and then the Korean Navy was there.

00:27:41.000 And we were at this dinner with this Korean admiral.

00:27:44.000 And he was like, and everybody was doing around, and they wanted you to do a shot and then bang your head into the table and then drink a beer.

00:27:54.000 And this was like the big thing that was going on.

00:27:56.000 And it was like a way to show loyalty.

00:27:57.000 And so he asked the Americans to do it.

00:27:58.000 He asked, did the Koreans do it?

00:27:59.000 And I said, actually, I don't drink, as a matter of fact.

00:28:02.000 So I understand that you guys, I mean, that's great that you're showing your loyalty through this, but that's just not something that I do.

00:28:09.000 And so he looked at me and he said, Are you religious?

00:28:11.000 I said, Yes, I am.

00:28:12.000 What are you?

00:28:13.000 He looked at me and said, You're a good Christian.

00:28:13.000 I'm a Christian.

00:28:17.000 Yeah, and I want to be clear that some people say, Well, Jesus drank wine and all this.

00:28:20.000 Happy to go through that.

00:28:21.000 That's true.

00:28:22.000 It was also a lot more watered-down alcohol content than what we're used to today.

00:28:26.000 They also didn't have ethanol back then.

00:28:28.000 That's true.

00:28:29.000 And also, what would be considered as even hard drink?

00:28:31.000 They did not even have the ability to create fermented wine as hard drink as like whiskey would be today.

00:28:37.000 I can get into that.

00:28:38.000 Again, I'm not against drinking from a moral perspective because the Bible does allow for that, but drunkenness has no tolerance at all whatsoever in the Bible.

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00:31:46.000 What does it mean to live a good life?

00:31:48.000 So, Jack, in today's time, all the chaos around you, all the darkness, what does it mean to live a good life in private life, not just in public life?

00:31:57.000 Well, so, you know, I kind of go back.

00:31:59.000 I really am a big fan.

00:32:00.000 I don't know if I'd consider myself a Thomist at this point, but Thomas Aquinas, yeah.

00:32:05.000 I'm a big Aquinas fan.

00:32:06.000 And so, Summa Theologica, if you read it, what he's doing was he was trying to basically take the principles of Christianity and then combine them with like Plato and Aristotle, right?

00:32:18.000 So, take the take those values and put them all together with the teachings of Christ.

00:32:23.000 And so, so, of course, Plato and Aristotle, they talk about talent, they talk about potentiality, they talk about actualization.

00:32:30.000 And what Aquinas did was he said, God gives you, just as I was saying in the last bit, he gives you those talents, he gives you your potentiality.

00:32:38.000 Of course, that comes from God.

00:32:39.000 That's part of your creation.

00:32:40.000 So, you know, the fully actualized Jack Pesobic and the fully actualized Charlie Kirk are going to be different things, just the same way, you know, and this even gets into politics.

00:32:49.000 You talk about, you know, the rights of the individual, rights of the collective, and the idea that you can't have equality because everyone is different, because everyone is going to have different unique talents.

00:32:58.000 But the idea, though, is that your life is a journey of being able to realize your full potentiality for good, and that in achieving so along the proper path actually brings you closer to God.

00:33:13.000 And this is where some Summatealogica goes.

00:33:15.000 And so this is where myself, you know, becoming a father over the past couple of years has really kind of changed my perspective on so many of these things.

00:33:24.000 And it also gives you skin in the game, right?

00:33:26.000 You become, you're the head of a household now.

00:33:29.000 You have these children and you have to raise them.

00:33:33.000 And so it makes you want to go back to your own teaching, to your own traditions, to your own religion and say, do I understand this stuff?

00:33:39.000 Do I really feel that I'm properly trained and able to actually pass this on?

00:33:44.000 Am I doing the right things?

00:33:45.000 And so that's something where, you know, for us as Catholics, that's we're going to Latin Mass more now.

00:33:51.000 That's also a huge thing with like these lockdowns and a lot of the more modernist parishes when they said, I never in my life thought that I would have a, I never even occurred to me that I thought that I would ever walk up to a church with my wife, with my children, and see a sign on the door that says, church full.

00:34:08.000 You really mean there's, you mean there's no room at the inn?

00:34:11.000 You know, I, it's, it's the opposite.

00:34:14.000 It's the complete opposite of what a church is for.

00:34:16.000 And, and I think it drove a lot of people to Latin Mass because something with what they do in the original rite, the traditional rite, it's you have the incense, you have the Gregorian chants, it's in Latin, which is, of course, a higher language.

00:34:30.000 It's connection to the transcendent.

00:34:32.000 It's a reminder that this is not about the here and now.

00:34:35.000 You're not playing guitar in the church, right?

00:34:37.000 It's about connection to the transcendent, the spiritual, the supernatural.

00:34:41.000 That's something that I think a lot of Western Christianity has lost.

00:34:44.000 Eastern Christianity actually has been pretty good about this, Orthodox Christianity.

00:34:49.000 And so reminding people, by the way, this is the way Mass was held for hundreds, thousands of years, right, prior to Vatican II.

00:34:55.000 So for us, that's been a huge boon in that.

00:34:57.000 But for me, you know, looking at it to take it back is it's living up to that, but then also remembering that you have to walk that path.

00:35:07.000 And it's kind of like, well, I don't understand.

00:35:09.000 You know, you say God lays out a path for us, but we also have free choice, but then he also has unconditional love.

00:35:15.000 How's that work?

00:35:16.000 I say, well, if you become a parent, you know exactly what that's like, right?

00:35:19.000 You know, it's, it's the, that's why he's God the father.

00:35:22.000 So you, you know, I love my kids, but that doesn't mean they don't make mistakes.

00:35:26.000 That doesn't mean that they make decisions that are faulty.

00:35:29.000 But then when they come back, when the prodigal son comes back, that's why it's so important because they did it of their own volition.

00:35:37.000 And sometimes, unfortunately, you know, we went through, um, you know, we went through potty training.

00:35:42.000 We did go through potty training with our oldest son.

00:35:45.000 And whoa, that's fun.

00:35:46.000 That is fun.

00:35:47.000 And it's, and it's a struggle.

00:35:48.000 It's absolutely a struggle.

00:35:49.000 And so, you know, carrot and stick approach, of course, you know, stickers and, you know, treats and the whole nine yards, but every once in a while, timeouts and hey, you're going to have to practice this 10 times.

00:35:59.000 So you do, you do also use this struggle, right?

00:36:04.000 You have to institute that ability of struggle and the idea of no, right?

00:36:08.000 You need to be able to say no.

00:36:11.000 And God says no sometimes.

00:36:13.000 They say no because he loves us.

00:36:15.000 And it's because of love, right?

00:36:16.000 You cannot have mercy without judgment.

00:36:20.000 These are two aspects I think a lot of progressive Christians want to forget about judgment.

00:36:24.000 They don't even want to act like it exists.

00:36:25.000 Well, they don't even want to act as if justice exists.

00:36:28.000 And we're going to talk about justice.

00:36:30.000 And we actually touched on this in a previous episode of biblical justice versus secular justice.

00:36:36.000 Jack, you see a lot of young people struggling to find their place in the world, trying to understand how to navigate, you know, the chaos that is life.

00:36:46.000 You are, you commonly say be a rebel, you know, reject modernity, embrace antiquity.

00:36:51.000 What do you mean by that?

00:36:53.000 Reject freedom.

00:36:54.000 Or I'm sorry, reject modernity, embrace tradition.

00:36:57.000 No, I mean reject licentiousness.

00:36:59.000 Or licentiousness. 0.86

00:37:00.000 I also do the be a rebel, start a family.

00:37:02.000 Which is huge.

00:37:02.000 Yes.

00:37:03.000 Congrats on the wedding, by the way.

00:37:03.000 Thank you.

00:37:04.000 If I said that to you in person yet, maybe I haven't.

00:37:07.000 More young people need to get married. 0.97

00:37:08.000 Just get married.

00:37:09.000 Get married and have kids, right?

00:37:10.000 Once you get married and have kids, life makes a lot more sense at the same time because you realize like, oh, this is the point.

00:37:18.000 Right.

00:37:19.000 I get it.

00:37:20.000 And it also gives you a sense of realizing that, you know, I remember when I, you know, the first time I held my first son, we have two kids.

00:37:28.000 We have a three-year-old and a 10-month-old.

00:37:30.000 They're both boys.

00:37:32.000 We're going to keep going.

00:37:32.000 Want more.

00:37:34.000 And, but the first time I remember holding him thinking, you know, this is the future.

00:37:38.000 I'm holding the future in my hands.

00:37:40.000 And so what if this is the future?

00:37:41.000 What does that make me?

00:37:43.000 And so you realize that you're just a link, you're a link in a chain.

00:37:43.000 Right.

00:37:46.000 At the end of the day, you're a link in a chain.

00:37:48.000 And this is the great chain of human history, of spiritual history.

00:37:52.000 What does that mean?

00:37:53.000 What does that mean for your place in the world, your place in the cosmos?

00:37:56.000 And look, at some point, every single one of us is going to meet our creator.

00:38:02.000 And God is going to stand there and he's going to say, look at what I gave you.

00:38:07.000 He's going to tell me, I gave you this platform.

00:38:09.000 I gave this ability to speak to millions of people.

00:38:11.000 What did you do with it?

00:38:12.000 Did you bring people to me?

00:38:14.000 Did you bring people to me?

00:38:15.000 Like, I get that.

00:38:16.000 Yeah, yeah, you weren't perfect, right?

00:38:18.000 And then, and the devil will be there and he'll, you know, he'll repeat every single thing that I've done in my life from, you know, taking a candy bar all the way up to, you know, anything else.

00:38:26.000 But God will say, did you bring people to me?

00:38:29.000 That's right.

00:38:30.000 And that is going to be the point at the end of it.

00:38:32.000 Did you use your public life to do that?

00:38:34.000 And did you use your private life?

00:38:36.000 How did you raise your children?

00:38:37.000 Did you raise them to be godly?

00:38:38.000 Did you raise them to follow in the traditions of the church and the traditions of the people?

00:38:43.000 Did you raise them to be good?

00:38:44.000 Did you raise them to be moral?

00:38:45.000 What did you do?

00:38:46.000 And again, like, what was your because remember, and Jesus talks about this a lot.

00:38:51.000 It's about what's in your heart, right?

00:38:53.000 It's about what's in your heart and then how that transposes itself into your work into the world.

00:38:58.000 And so when he's talking, this is one thing when he talks a lot.

00:39:02.000 We just had in last, was it last week?

00:39:05.000 It was last week.

00:39:05.000 Yeah, it was.

00:39:07.000 The, you know, the story about, you know, it's easier for, you know, a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get in heaven.

00:39:15.000 And so a lot of people.

00:39:16.000 They're a lover of money.

00:39:17.000 Very clear.

00:39:18.000 And so of a man, and this, this is also paired with, and you see like the socialists and the leftists talk about this a lot.

00:39:26.000 And they'll say, oh, well, you know, the love of money is root of all evil.

00:39:29.000 No, no, no, no.

00:39:29.000 Right.

00:39:30.000 The love of money.

00:39:32.000 The worship of money.

00:39:33.000 The worship of money.

00:39:34.000 You cannot worship God and Mammon.

00:39:35.000 Right.

00:39:36.000 And so understand that he's not saying don't be, you know, successful in life, right?

00:39:41.000 That's not what it's saying whatsoever.

00:39:43.000 And remember, by the way, I would say this to the leftists, to the socialists, to the communists.

00:39:47.000 I believe there's a phrase about coveting thy neighbor's goods as well.

00:39:52.000 Well, socialism violates two out of the 10 commandments.

00:39:54.000 Don't want your people, your neighbor's stuff, and take people's stuff. 1.00

00:39:57.000 Right, exactly.

00:39:57.000 And so you can't have, like, it's, you have to understand what, what they're going for.

00:40:02.000 It's not about material possessions, but it's, it's also not about wanting and living for material possessions.

00:40:10.000 You need to live for something beyond.

00:40:11.000 You need to live for something transcendent.

00:40:13.000 You need to stay for something.

00:40:15.000 A new article out today.

00:40:17.000 Having a child is the grandest act of climate destruction.

00:40:20.000 Amazing.

00:40:21.000 Yes.

00:40:21.000 Destroy the climate then.

00:40:23.000 Destroy it all. 0.96

00:40:25.000 That is a question.

00:40:25.000 Should we be a people-centered?

00:40:27.000 Who put that article?

00:40:28.000 Actually, Connor just sent it.

00:40:29.000 I don't know what publication.

00:40:30.000 Sounds like a CN. 0.87

00:40:31.000 Sounds like, I think I saw it.

00:40:32.000 I thought it was like a CNN or something.

00:40:34.000 Having a child is the greatest act of climate destruction.

00:40:40.000 Well, then they must love China because China for 25 years had a one-child policy.

00:40:44.000 But that's interesting because China's climate did not become so well in those last 25 years where they were doing the one-child policy with the forced abortions across the country where they were demanding that people wouldn't be up.

00:40:54.000 Or if you, you know, if you had a female baby, that they would be placed or either aborted, number one.

00:40:59.000 You know, they actually, because they were aborting so many female babies in China that ultrasounds became outlawed.

00:41:06.000 So, you know, how they talk about back alley abortions in the U.S.

00:41:09.000 It's kind of apocryphal.

00:41:10.000 It wasn't really the big widespread thing like the abortion.

00:41:13.000 And even the guy who promoted the lie admitted that.

00:41:16.000 Right.

00:41:17.000 Right.

00:41:17.000 It wasn't thousands of years.

00:41:18.000 It was total propaganda.

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:19.000 It was like one doctor.

00:41:20.000 Yes, that's right.

00:41:21.000 But he corrected himself later in life.

00:41:23.000 That's right.

00:41:23.000 And so, so in China, though, I remember walking down this street in Shanghai and seeing this.

00:41:29.000 You know, it was before I was still learning Chinese at the time and there was this phone number up and there was a thing on there.

00:41:34.000 And there's a B.

00:41:34.000 And I said, what?

00:41:35.000 I said, what is that?

00:41:36.000 It was with my Chinese friend.

00:41:37.000 And they said, oh, that's for an ultrasound. 0.98

00:41:40.000 I said, what do you mean it's for an ultra sound?

00:41:41.000 I mean, you call that number, you can go get an ultrasound.

00:41:43.000 Well, why don't you just go to the hospital?

00:41:44.000 They won't do it.

00:41:45.000 Why not?

00:41:46.000 Because they outlawed it because too many female babies were being killed that they outlawed ultrasounds. 1.00

00:41:54.000 So you have to go to a back alley ultrasound. 1.00

00:41:57.000 That's right.

00:41:57.000 If you want to find out what's going on, that's China.

00:42:00.000 That's technocracy.

00:42:01.000 That's nihilism writ large.

00:42:03.000 That if you want, if you want to see nihilism, go to China. 0.85

00:42:06.000 You'll see it all day long.

00:42:08.000 They do not care about human rights.

00:42:09.000 All they care is the power of the regime and the success of the regime.

00:42:12.000 We're going to talk about China some more, but Jack, talk about the spiritual battle that you believe that's raging in our country.

00:42:18.000 Because you keep on tweeting about be careful against witches.

00:42:22.000 Don't trust witches.

00:42:23.000 And so don't trust witches, folks.

00:42:24.000 Is the spiritual war real?

00:42:26.000 I think it is a real spiritual war.

00:42:27.000 And I think that, you know, you'll hear people say, you know, when I'm with the evangelicals, they always say, are you saved?

00:42:33.000 They always say you're saved.

00:42:34.000 And so, and I always say, saved from what? 0.99

00:42:37.000 Damn, right? 0.99

00:42:38.000 Damnation. 0.99

00:42:39.000 But also, there are things in this world that can lead you to damnation.

00:42:43.000 And what does that include?

00:42:44.000 That's witches. 1.00

00:42:45.000 That's the occult. 0.87

00:42:46.000 That's the demonic.

00:42:48.000 That's the temptation of sin.

00:42:49.000 All of these things writ large.

00:42:51.000 And we live in a society today that's been overly secularized.

00:42:55.000 We prop up things like, I mean, I'm sorry, but Disney and Harry Potter, I mean, these have almost become, this is the Media Matters clip, by the way.

00:43:03.000 Disney and Harry Potter have almost become secular religions in the United States today.

00:43:09.000 So Dustin Brandia, that one's for you.

00:43:11.000 And so, no, I really mean that, though.

00:43:13.000 Star Wars has become like this.

00:43:14.000 That's actually why we're raising our house to hold to be Star Wars free.

00:43:18.000 No Star Wars in the house.

00:43:20.000 It's not welcome.

00:43:20.000 We're not doing it.

00:43:21.000 Because it's spiritually questionable or why?

00:43:24.000 No, I don't think it's spiritually questionable, but I think that the movement that's built around it has become an identity movement.

00:43:29.000 So people start to identify as a Star Wars fan, the same way they identify as Disney fan.

00:43:34.000 I'm not saying that anyone who watches those things, by the way, this will be the part that Media Matters then clips off.

00:43:39.000 I don't think that you, obviously, you can watch those things and enjoy them, but there is a certain band of people, certain percentage that actually put that as their personal identity and it becomes a form of worship.

00:43:51.000 This is because by and large, they've taken the transcendent, they've taken the church, they've taken God, they've taken Christianity completely out of the public sector.

00:44:00.000 But everyone look is always looking for something like that.

00:44:03.000 So what do you replace it with?

00:44:04.000 Well, we got to have something.

00:44:05.000 So we're going to have Marvel movies.

00:44:07.000 We're going to have Harry Potter.

00:44:08.000 We're going to have Star, whatever it is, right?

00:44:09.000 Whatever it is.

00:44:10.000 There's other stuff out there as well.

00:44:11.000 And so we need to get because, but people realize that stuff is hollow.

00:44:16.000 It's completely shallow.

00:44:17.000 And then you also have people, by the way, that dabble in the occult.

00:44:21.000 You have a thing out there in the world right now called the Satanic Temple.

00:44:25.000 They are verified on Twitter.

00:44:26.000 They are suing the state of Texas over the abortion ban, which isn't really an abortion ban.

00:44:32.000 It's a heartbeat abortion ban. 0.99

00:44:33.000 And they're saying that abortion is their sacrament.

00:44:36.000 Well, it certainly isn't the first time that Satanists have used child sacrifice as a sacrament.

00:44:41.000 And this is a real thing.

00:44:42.000 This is not exaggeration.

00:44:43.000 No, no, no.

00:44:44.000 I'm not like, this isn't like a yuckety yuck podcast on a Friday kind of thing.

00:44:48.000 This is if you go to an actual organization.

00:44:51.000 And so what it is, it's atheists being telling themselves and telling everyone else that they are being satanic ironically to make fun of Christians, to persecute Christians, and then to fight whenever someone stands up, wants to make a moral stand on something like, oh, I don't know, the killing of children and saying we don't want abortion anymore.

00:45:11.000 Well, the Satanic Temple says it's our religion and one of our sacraments is abortion.

00:45:16.000 And so they're trying to use to subvert the purpose of our laws and subvert the purpose of our constitution by saying it's a religion.

00:45:23.000 And so I actually went to their website and I believe you should have said, I'm doing, they're doing sign of the cross on like every click that I go through on this thing where they talk through, you know, actual rights.

00:45:32.000 They actually have a right of abortion because they had to write out what they were going to do for their, you know, for this sacrament or else, you know, the court would come back and say, well, what do you do?

00:45:42.000 What tell us about your sacrament, right?

00:45:44.000 So they wrote this all out.

00:45:45.000 Then there's tenets of Satanism and you're supposed to repeat the satanic prayer.

00:45:48.000 And I look at this and I say, you know, I do believe that there is a spiritual war.

00:45:52.000 And what better way, by the way, for the enemy to create, you know, the worship of Satan to create something demonic than something like this.

00:46:00.000 I'm just saying it's ironic and saying it's just a big joke and it's a laugh on Christians. 1.00

00:46:04.000 Meanwhile, you've got people who will say, hey, let's go to seances.

00:46:07.000 Let's go to fortune tellers, let's mess around with Ouija boards. 0.99

00:46:10.000 At the end of the day, when you're playing around with something like that, you are trying to seek power outside of God.

00:46:16.000 Amen.

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00:47:51.000 Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:47:53.000 Hey, Charlie, I saw your thoughts on saying that empathy is not Christian.

00:47:53.000 We got a question.

00:47:58.000 What do you mean by that?

00:47:59.000 Well, Jack, I'll let you break the glass here, where tolerance is not a biblical idea.

00:48:04.000 Tolerance is not a Christian virtue.

00:48:06.000 Tell us why.

00:48:06.000 Absolutely not.

00:48:07.000 So, you know, I see progressive Christians get into this a lot where they'll say, oh, well, you know, God don't make mistakes, right?

00:48:14.000 Remember, that's something you're always told, God don't make mistakes.

00:48:16.000 Well, no, God made you, but you have free will, so you make mistakes, right?

00:48:21.000 And your nature is and your nature as you, you know, you have because of the fall from the garden and original sin, the apple, et cetera, et cetera.

00:48:30.000 This is our nature.

00:48:30.000 We make mistakes.

00:48:31.000 And so, yes, God doesn't make mistakes, but again, you're not God.

00:48:35.000 You're part of the system.

00:48:37.000 You're part of this.

00:48:38.000 So you do make mistakes.

00:48:39.000 So empathy is not a Christian virtue.

00:48:42.000 Tolerance is not a Christian virtue.

00:48:44.000 So here's what I would say to the progressive Christians out there that try to push this stuff. 0.85

00:48:48.000 I say, look, it's not that, well, they'll say, but Jesus went and sat down with Mary Magdalene and he sat down with tax collectors.

00:48:55.000 And if you think tax collectors are bad now, you should have seen them in Roman times, by the way.

00:48:59.000 These guys were, I mean, just brutal, absolutely brutal.

00:49:02.000 It was kind of like a mafia organism.

00:49:04.000 It's kind of like a mafia soprano. 0.97

00:49:04.000 They were savages. 0.97

00:49:06.000 Yeah, very tony soprano when it came because they were paid by a percentage of what they got off of people.

00:49:11.000 So, and that continued throughout the Middle Ages, by the way.

00:49:13.000 And so the idea that Jesus would meet with these people, they say, well, Jesus sat down with sinners.

00:49:17.000 And of course, you go where the sinners are, right?

00:49:19.000 But here's the difference: Jesus also said, go and sin no more.

00:49:24.000 So tolerance means I will go to you.

00:49:27.000 I will be sympathetic to you and I can sit down with you, but I, because I'm trying to change your behavior, because I don't want you to sin anymore.

00:49:35.000 So the way I kind of encapsulate it is Jesus will meet you as you are, but Jesus will never leave you where you were.

00:49:42.000 As you were.

00:49:42.000 Yes.

00:49:43.000 And so there's a big difference in empathy.

00:49:46.000 This is why people need to learn Latin and Greek.

00:49:48.000 We were just talking.

00:49:48.000 Got to learn it.

00:49:49.000 And I am by no means fluent, but I know enough to be dangerous.

00:49:52.000 I know my prefixes and my suffixes.

00:49:56.000 And I know what they mean.

00:49:57.000 So let's go to empathy and then supersonic.

00:50:01.000 I don't know if that's Latin or Polish.

00:50:03.000 Pray for sinners.

00:50:05.000 That's Latin.

00:50:05.000 Too quick.

00:50:05.000 That's Latin.

00:50:06.000 Yeah.

00:50:07.000 Shows that I'm not Catholic.

00:50:08.000 But empathy and sympathy are two different words.

00:50:11.000 So M, meaning in, in, pathy, pathos, in pathos, with feelings, emotion.

00:50:16.000 Right.

00:50:16.000 There's many different filler English words for that.

00:50:19.000 And so empathy is nowhere in the Bible.

00:50:21.000 Being in someone's feelings?

00:50:22.000 Absolutely not.

00:50:23.000 You're trying to tell me that when Eric Rudolph did the centennial park bombing, where Richard Jewell got unfairly maligned and accused, we had to be in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, by the way.

00:50:33.000 Atlanta Journal Constitution, the absolute worst big city paper in the country.

00:50:39.000 You think the New York Times, you got the New York Times right here?

00:50:41.000 AJC is really bad. 1.00

00:50:42.000 You think the New York Times is bad?

00:50:43.000 AJC is absolutely the worst. 1.00

00:50:45.000 The journalist who actually wrote that story about Richard Jewell died, and so did Richard Jewell, the woman.

00:50:49.000 I can't remember her name.

00:50:50.000 Anyway, so empathy in the pathology, nowhere in the Bible.

00:50:54.000 Sympathy beside the feelings, or looking beside and looking at them, right?

00:51:00.000 Sympotica, symmetry, symbolism.

00:51:02.000 That's where we get all the English words for that.

00:51:04.000 The prefix sim, which means sim, which means with or.

00:51:07.000 Why should I learn Latin, man?

00:51:08.000 Why should I do that?

00:51:09.000 Yeah, you could actually understand the words you're using now.

00:51:12.000 Like English is a lower language. 0.75

00:51:13.000 Latin is a higher language.

00:51:15.000 If you understand the language that it's derived from, and Greek, by the way, when you understand the basic empathy, sympathy and empathy are Greek.

00:51:21.000 They're Greek, right?

00:51:22.000 But Latin is an extension of the Greek language.

00:51:24.000 And in some ways, not always.

00:51:27.000 Latin is the basis of many of the Western tradition.

00:51:29.000 Greek and Latin are beautiful languages.

00:51:32.000 And I mean, a great example is this.

00:51:33.000 And actually, you know what?

00:51:35.000 Catholics don't know this as well.

00:51:37.000 So what are the Greek words for love?

00:51:40.000 Well, shoot, I don't know if it's eros, agape, and agape.

00:51:43.000 Agape.

00:51:44.000 Storge, phileo.

00:51:45.000 And story, phileo.

00:51:46.000 So in evangelical world, it's like people can rattle them off.

00:51:49.000 Oh, cool, cool.

00:51:50.000 It's it's um in evangelical world, it's like 101 canned kind of sermon for pastors being like, for God so loved the world, he gave his, you know, one only begotten son and differentiating the different types of love, right?

00:52:02.000 Which is the Greeks had four, actually like 10 words for love, the most common four, which is phileo, brotherly love, storge, love of mother and child, eros, romantic love, and agape, sacrificial love, or replacement love, which is what for God so agape the world.

00:52:15.000 And Catholics just don't know that as well.

00:52:17.000 It's not enough time in a homily to explain that.

00:52:20.000 So is that Vatican I Mass?

00:52:22.000 That's the, that's the original.

00:52:24.000 But does the priest have his back to you when he's no, the priest has his face towards God.

00:52:29.000 Well, that's what I'm saying, the back towards you, the attendee.

00:52:32.000 But you're looking at it the wrong way.

00:52:33.000 His face is towards Mel Gibson's accusation, not mine.

00:52:35.000 No, no, no, no.

00:52:36.000 His face is towards God.

00:52:37.000 I got it.

00:52:38.000 That's the same thing.

00:52:39.000 It's a syllogism.

00:52:40.000 It's saying the same thing.

00:52:41.000 No, I don't think so.

00:52:42.000 I don't think so because people get the wrong idea.

00:52:44.000 It's we all have our faces to God because it's a sacrifice and worship to God.

00:52:49.000 I would prefer Latin Mass if I could understand anything they were saying.

00:52:52.000 I'm not a Catholic.

00:52:52.000 Well, they give you a booklet.

00:52:54.000 Do they?

00:52:55.000 Yeah, they give you a book.

00:52:57.000 Dude, we're going to, Charlie.

00:52:58.000 Vatican 60.

00:52:59.000 We're going.

00:53:00.000 Was it 60s or 60s?

00:53:01.000 If I'm doing the Relief Factor, you're coming to Latin Mass. 1.00

00:53:03.000 Was Vatin 2's 60s or Vatican 2's 60s?

00:53:05.000 60s?

00:53:06.000 60s?

00:53:06.000 Yeah.

00:53:07.000 Yeah.

00:53:07.000 And that's when everything changed.

00:53:08.000 Yeah, that's when everything changed.

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00:54:07.000 Getting a lot of good questions.

00:54:08.000 There's a question that came.

00:54:09.000 It's a long question.

00:54:10.000 I didn't even realize we were going to do this today.

00:54:12.000 You know, we're just kind of like woke up.

00:54:14.000 Isn't that a super heavy news day?

00:54:17.000 And it's like...

00:54:18.000 We could talk about Pete Buttichech, but that's not as interesting as it is.

00:54:20.000 But it's just boring, right?

00:54:22.000 Well, he's of the world.

00:54:24.000 He's of the world.

00:54:25.000 He's definitely of the world.

00:54:27.000 Someone says, can you please elaborate more on sympathy versus empathy?

00:54:33.000 And I will in a second.

00:54:35.000 And you know what's interesting?

00:54:37.000 She does say, can you differentiate between the Christian Catholic thing?

00:54:40.000 I think that's interesting.

00:54:41.000 I am an evangelical Christian.

00:54:43.000 Okay.

00:54:44.000 And Jack, you're Catholic.

00:54:46.000 And I have a lot of respect for Catholics.

00:54:47.000 100%.

00:54:48.000 I really do.

00:54:48.000 OGs.

00:54:49.000 The OGs.

00:54:51.000 Well, don't tell that's Orthodox because they'll say they were the original. 0.99

00:54:54.000 There was one church before the schism.

00:54:56.000 I tell it to my Orthodox wife every day.

00:54:59.000 It depends.

00:55:00.000 Yeah.

00:55:01.000 Well, so there are some things that I don't have a lot of.

00:55:03.000 Well, no, no.

00:55:04.000 No, I'm going to say my wife is Orthodox.

00:55:06.000 Yeah.

00:55:06.000 And I'm Catholic.

00:55:07.000 No, I get that.

00:55:08.000 I'm saying that the Orthodox would say they're the original. 0.97

00:55:10.000 Right, they would.

00:55:11.000 But they're both right because you were both original until the schism.

00:55:14.000 Right.

00:55:15.000 And the schism.

00:55:16.000 And look, I'll take flack from both sides for saying this, but I've always kind of said the schism actually was probably more predicated on the political breakup of the Roman Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire, so the creation of Byzantium and the Western Roman Empire than King Justinian.

00:55:34.000 Specific.

00:55:35.000 So you do have a lot of politics and the same deal with the Protestant Reformation.

00:55:39.000 Of course, that was very political, right?

00:55:42.000 And so good old Martin Luther.

00:55:43.000 Good guy.

00:55:44.000 Yes, the heretic.

00:55:47.000 Spirit-filled.

00:55:49.000 He was a priest.

00:55:50.000 Snowflakes, the snowflakes, yes, of course.

00:55:52.000 Oh, snowflake priest.

00:55:53.000 The snowflake priest.

00:55:55.000 And so you do have these pope, but you can't really separate the political forces from the theological history.

00:56:01.000 And that's all I'm trying to say.

00:56:02.000 And so basically, I always kind of joke that, you know, we got the friends reunion, but the Orthodox Catholic reunion, that's the one we really want.

00:56:10.000 And so Tony and I.

00:56:13.000 I actually think a Protestant Catholic reunion could be more possible than that.

00:56:16.000 I could be really in some ways.

00:56:18.000 Really?

00:56:19.000 I don't know.

00:56:20.000 Actually, there was an Anglican bishop just, I think, yesterday that converted to Catholicism.

00:56:26.000 I see it happening.

00:56:27.000 I know a lot of evangelical Protestants that are converting to Catholicism for a lot of different reasons.

00:56:35.000 Can I just get something out of the way here?

00:56:37.000 Because I know people always, you've always asked me this.

00:56:39.000 They say, well, don't you just believe everything the Pope says?

00:56:42.000 And this Pope is for vaccinations.

00:56:43.000 Oh, it seems like he's socialist.

00:56:45.000 At the top of my list of problems.

00:56:47.000 Look, the Catholic Church.

00:56:49.000 Talk to a conservative Catholic.

00:56:51.000 You will not find someone who has more criticism of specifically this Pope.

00:56:57.000 Go read Infiltration by Taylor Marshall.

00:57:00.000 Go understand the problems with the Vatican, the cover-ups of the sex scandals, everything that we have.

00:57:05.000 So let me ask you.

00:57:06.000 We lean into fixing the problem because the same way we have corruption in our government, and we as conservatives try to root that out, this is the same exact thing that's going on.

00:57:15.000 No, I hear you.

00:57:15.000 And I've heard all the responses.

00:57:17.000 And actually, I don't want to prosecute you on this because I think some of the answers are kind of fair.

00:57:22.000 But does it ever challenge you to say, hey, like the holy body of the church was heavily involved in covering up pedophilia?

00:57:34.000 What?

00:57:35.000 And also, of course it bothers me.

00:57:37.000 Of course it bothers me.

00:57:38.000 Yeah, well, it bothers me so much where I think that's like one of the many deal breakers I have, you know, with Catholicism where it's like you have a social activist as pope.

00:57:48.000 Well, it's kind of the same.

00:57:49.000 It's kind of the same idea.

00:57:50.000 The way I look at it is, you know, I don't particularly support the current regime that's in office in the United States, but I'm not going to tear up my U.S. citizenship.

00:57:58.000 That I still believe that it's worth fighting for.

00:58:00.000 Okay.

00:58:01.000 And I guess the bigger challenge I have is the entire idea of popal infallibility, which is a thing, which is when he's wearing the hat and sitting in the chair.

00:58:11.000 Well, not just sitting in the chair, but also when he's speaking what's called ex-cathedra.

00:58:16.000 So cathedra actually means this is like a chair.

00:58:18.000 Right.

00:58:18.000 Infallibility.

00:58:19.000 So this actually means that chair.

00:58:20.000 So people, a great example of this, and we covered it on the podcast recently that I can explain from a Catholic perspective.

00:58:25.000 So you had the archdiocese, the archbishop, I should say, of military services in the U.S. come out and say Catholic soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines can reject the vaccine based on religious exemption because of the fact that it was tested on aborted fetal lines.

00:58:41.000 But people say, well, wait a minute.

00:58:43.000 Hold on.

00:58:43.000 I thought the Pope said that they could take the vaccine.

00:58:46.000 So doesn't the Pope's word countermand his?

00:58:49.000 Not so.

00:58:50.000 Because the Pope, when the Pope said that, when he makes a comment on any social issue, political issue of the day, he's not doing so ex cathedra.

00:58:58.000 So he's doing so as the bishop of Rome.

00:59:00.000 And at the same token, his wish, the other members of the college of bishops can disagree with him.

00:59:05.000 Has Francis said anything ex-cathedra?

00:59:08.000 One of his big things that he's been trying to push is changing the death penalty.

00:59:13.000 So really trying to change Catholic teaching and doctrine.

00:59:17.000 Didn't he say something with climate change as ex-cathedra?

00:59:21.000 I'd have to double check.

00:59:22.000 Okay.

00:59:22.000 I could be wrong.

00:59:23.000 So what do you think are the biggest issues with the Catholic Church?

00:59:28.000 Well, I do, I mean, and I'll tell you the biggest issues with evangelicalism.

00:59:31.000 I mean, the biggest issues with the Catholic Church right now is infiltration, 100%.

00:59:36.000 Infiltration by whom?

00:59:37.000 Infiltration by you name it, but forces that seek to undermine and subvert the will and the authority and the purpose and focus of the church.

00:59:46.000 They spend too much time telling people, they spent the last 40 years telling people to look into the mirror instead of look to the cross, right?

00:59:52.000 That should be the sole purpose of the church, to guide people into heaven, to teach them to sacrifice and to worship God and Christ the King, and to do so through going to Mass.

01:00:04.000 That is the point of church, the end.

01:00:06.000 And then also to ask people to forget, you know, to understand their sins, to confess them.

01:00:11.000 And something that actually I'll even throw out that I think the Orthodox Church does very well is that, you know, when you go to confession, the Orthodox Church, they will actually talk to you about your sins.

01:00:21.000 And it's not just, hey, man, say a couple of Hair Marys and our Fathers and everything's good. 0.72

01:00:25.000 They'll say, what are you reading?

01:00:25.000 No, no, no.

01:00:27.000 They say, oh, I see you're having a problem with lust.

01:00:29.000 I see you're having a problem with greed.

01:00:31.000 You know, what are you reading?

01:00:32.000 Like, which one of the church fathers are you reading?

01:00:34.000 Which one of the saints are you studying?

01:00:37.000 Which writings have you focused?

01:00:38.000 So they'll actually try.

01:00:39.000 We have this whole, we have whole, you know, self-help sections of books and everything else, but this actually should have been the role of the priest at the parish level, right?

01:00:50.000 The whole idea, by the way, you know, of the church was that it was going to be parish-led, the original idea.

01:00:56.000 So it wasn't necessarily going to be top-down other than in these sort of like very heady affairs of theology, right?

01:01:04.000 The Pope isn't supposed to be coming into the parish and telling people how to live.

01:01:07.000 Like this is obviously wrong.

01:01:09.000 What do you think is most compelling about the evangelical Bible-believing world?

01:01:14.000 I love the fact that you guys just know the Bible chapter and verse.

01:01:17.000 I love it.

01:01:18.000 I have so much respect for that that I can just be like, hey, what's this?

01:01:20.000 Boom, know it, boom, offhand.

01:01:23.000 You guys put the word first and it's beautiful and it's amazing.

01:01:29.000 I also love that in a lot of, there's a huge sense of community.

01:01:33.000 There's such a huge sense of community.

01:01:35.000 And I've been to evangelical churches.

01:01:37.000 I've seen it that people don't just go and then leave.

01:01:40.000 And in so much.

01:01:42.000 It's very comprehensive.

01:01:43.000 Right.

01:01:43.000 And this has been a problem in the Catholic Church for years that people will go and it's like, hey, I checked it off.

01:01:49.000 It's Sunday morning.

01:01:49.000 Now I'm going to get out of here as quickly as possible.

01:01:51.000 Now we're going to go in the parking lot and people are like flying out of there.

01:01:54.000 And it's like, why?

01:01:56.000 And this is actually something at Latin Mass you don't see, by the way.

01:01:59.000 At Latin Mass, people do stay.

01:02:01.000 And that's something that I think the evangelicals, you know, my uncle is an evangelical and he, you know, Sunday, it's, it's the whole day.

01:02:09.000 It's the entire day.

01:02:10.000 You know, you go in the morning and then you're having lunch and then maybe you're doing a Bible study in the evening and his entire day, really his entire life is centered around the church body.

01:02:20.000 And I think, I think that's something amazing.

01:02:22.000 And I think that's something that Catholics, just as from a cultural sense, need to really get back to. 0.95

01:02:27.000 Yeah, I think what evangelicals get right is in the name, evangelizing.

01:02:31.000 100%.

01:02:32.000 100%.

01:02:33.000 What I think evangelicals have trouble with and what need focus on, number one, the slippage on social conservatism recently has been really disappointing.

01:02:43.000 Well, you have, you have both threads, right?

01:02:44.000 You do kind of have the more social conservatives, but then you have the progressives.

01:02:48.000 Yes, but you see formally socially conservative denominations and churches that slip.

01:02:53.000 And the thing about Catholicism that is compelling is, hey, it's in the teaching that marriage is one man, one woman.

01:03:00.000 It's in the teaching that where life begins.

01:03:04.000 So there's a constancy to that, like a constant, unchanging nature.

01:03:08.000 I can go back to, and this is, by the way, on the death penalty, this has been one of the things where, you know, Francis has tried to really update the church's dogma on this and totally throw out stuff that has been concrete for thousands of years.

01:03:08.000 Right.

01:03:23.000 And you can go to pope after pope after pope that hold it up and say, well, excuse, you know, Pope Leo the Great.

01:03:29.000 The death penalty.

01:03:30.000 There's been like 15 of them.

01:03:31.000 The great.

01:03:31.000 Oh, okay.

01:03:32.000 That the death penalty is itself pro-life. 0.81

01:03:36.000 And because you don't get into this word thinking, obviously an innocent child is not the same thing as a murderer, right?

01:03:43.000 This is, it's clearly, like on its face, it's clearly not the same thing, but they'll try to play these word games.

01:03:48.000 Oh, if you're not for life, then that means you have to be for natural, et cetera, et cetera.

01:03:51.000 No, that hasn't been church teaching.

01:03:53.000 That's never been church teaching only until the modern age.

01:03:56.000 My other big critique of Catholicism, and this is not true for recent converts and it's not true for you, but there is a sometimes a passive nature of people's relationship with Christ.

01:04:05.000 And I don't think that's an intention of the Catholic Church, but because of not always reading the word, because of, in my personal opinion, not taking it personally in your own capacity, that there seems to always have to be a conduit, an intercessor.

01:04:20.000 And Catholic would say, well, what's wrong with that?

01:04:22.000 Right.

01:04:23.000 I think that there's something to be said that, you know, one of my parents, my mom was raised in the Catholic Church.

01:04:30.000 Bible reading was not a widespread thing.

01:04:32.000 And the argument is like, well, you need a priest to be able to interpret some of these passages.

01:04:35.000 I disagree.

01:04:35.000 I think the word of God is open for all people who wish to access it and will speak freely into your life.

01:04:40.000 Well, so this is where, though, this is where you lose some of the social conservatism, though, because when you say interpretation, it doesn't just mean like, what does this passage mean to you?

01:04:52.000 It means what does our church teach what this passage means?

01:04:56.000 And let me be clear, evangelicals do not believe that there's an unlimited interpretation to the text, right?

01:05:01.000 So it doesn't believe that Joe and Sally and Sue are all going to be able to read the book of Job and say, hey, you know what the takeaway of the book of Job is?

01:05:11.000 God's a mass murderer.

01:05:12.000 Like, no, that's not the communism. 0.92

01:05:14.000 Yeah, I saw this one, you know, I watched some of these TikTok pastors and progressives.

01:05:20.000 And there was this one guy, he's out of DC and lit him up on Twitter because he was accusing Jesus of using a racial slur for the Samaritan woman.

01:05:29.000 Well, that's correct.

01:05:31.000 And he said, go away, stranger, or kind of get away from me.

01:05:34.000 Well, he was saying, it was this, it was the seek a Phoenician woman.

01:05:37.000 Seek a Phoenician, yes. 0.97

01:05:38.000 And it was about the scraps to the dog.

01:05:41.000 That's correct.

01:05:42.000 And he was saying, no, Jesus wasn't calling her a dog.

01:05:45.000 He was using metaphors.

01:05:47.000 So, I mean, an evangelical world has plenty of theologians, right?

01:05:50.000 I mean, you got plenty of them.

01:05:52.000 With that being said, though, there is a disagreement in the Catholic Church.

01:05:56.000 There's an underemphasis on reading the word where we as Christians believe it's a breathing, living, not breathing, living document in the sense of the Constitution, but you read the word, it could speak to you in your very moment and be compelling and give you wisdom.

01:06:09.000 We supernatural.

01:06:10.000 What we tend to argue about more is what should the teaching of the church be on this specific topic.

01:06:16.000 Yeah, and that there's a lot of agreement, I think, that's happening on that.

01:06:20.000 There's just the kind of the Pope transubstantiation, which honestly isn't my biggest hang-up, which used to be, so Jack, you're going to convert to evangelicalism?

01:06:29.000 Definitely not.

01:06:31.000 I tried my best.

01:06:32.000 Return to Christ.

01:06:33.000 Actually, I didn't really try at all.

01:06:34.000 Come home.

01:06:34.000 Return to the church.

01:06:36.000 I don't know.

01:06:36.000 No, I would love.

01:06:37.000 You got to follow Jesus Christ.

01:06:39.000 I would love.

01:06:39.000 Did you do that as a Catholic?

01:06:40.000 If you could bring sort of like the social conservative evangelicals and then the Orthodox, the Eastern Orthodox, who totally still, I think, are the ones who get the spirituality best.

01:06:51.000 Yeah, I think Orthodox have an underemphasis on the Holy Spirit. 0.75

01:06:55.000 They do.

01:06:55.000 This is true.

01:06:56.000 But they do believe in a triune God.

01:06:58.000 I hate the good sides of that.

01:07:00.000 But I mean, those guys, they get the supernatural side of it.

01:07:04.000 They get all of that so very, very, that's what I'm talking about.

01:07:06.000 They get that very, very well.

01:07:08.000 I think that there is.

01:07:09.000 And this is why I am so against people messing around with the occult.

01:07:13.000 Do not screw around with that stuff.

01:07:14.000 Okay, so now to finish with that.

01:07:16.000 Halloween, people do all sorts of goofy things.

01:07:19.000 People thought I was, you know, glorifying Halloween earlier.

01:07:21.000 I can't stand Halloween.

01:07:22.000 I think it's awful.

01:07:23.000 I hate it.

01:07:23.000 I don't think, I mean, you might disagree, Jack.

01:07:25.000 I won't have my kids participate in it.

01:07:27.000 If I have anything to say about it, I might be overruled.

01:07:29.000 I think it's dark.

01:07:30.000 It's like very spiritually questionable.

01:07:32.000 I get weird feelings.

01:07:33.000 Am I wrong?

01:07:33.000 No, you're not.

01:07:34.000 It's very spiritually questionable.

01:07:36.000 And the idea is that it comes from All Saints Day, which is, of course, the next day, November 1st.

01:07:40.000 And then so All Hallows Eve.

01:07:42.000 Hallow is an old English word for me, meaning saint.

01:07:45.000 So hallowed, right?

01:07:46.000 Hallowed be thy name.

01:07:48.000 So All Hallows Eve then was sort of like evolved into Halloween.

01:07:55.000 And so the idea is that All Saints Day is the next day, so that's all the saints in heaven.

01:07:59.000 So I think that as long as you emphasize that that's what Halloween means, the same way that, you know, there's secular Christmas, but then there's also obviously the Nativity, that you can do both as long as you're making sure to emphasize the fullness of the Christian holiday.

01:08:14.000 Yeah, I'm not a fan of a lot of kind of the spiritual.

01:08:18.000 But you see, what's happened now?

01:08:19.000 So I was in Salem, Massachusetts recently, and it's a cult everywhere.

01:08:24.000 It's witchcraft everywhere. 0.98

01:08:25.000 Salem witch trials?

01:08:26.000 Well, so what they've turned it into now is this like mecca for witchcraft.

01:08:33.000 So they have they have occult stores, tower readings. 0.97

01:08:37.000 Now, some people might think you're nuts. 0.70

01:08:38.000 Witches are real things. 1.00

01:08:39.000 Oh, witchcraft is an absolute real thing.

01:08:41.000 Yeah.

01:08:42.000 And so many Christians don't talk about that.

01:08:44.000 No, they really don't.

01:08:45.000 And it's something where, you know, they'll call it Wiccan.

01:08:49.000 They'll call it all sorts of other names.

01:08:50.000 And they'll say, oh, it's really just these pagan folk religions.

01:08:53.000 And, you know, do not pray to alien gods, right?

01:08:56.000 Do not pray to other gods.

01:08:58.000 And that's, that's essentially what this is.

01:09:00.000 And occultism is growing?

01:09:04.000 Occultism is completely growing.

01:09:06.000 So you have, so there's sort of occult light, which is the new age movement, and then of which yoga is a part.

01:09:13.000 And then you have.

01:09:15.000 Do you think yoga is part of that?

01:09:16.000 Hear that, Andrew Gordon?

01:09:17.000 I think that if you're going to, I think that if you're going to yoga just and you're just doing stretches and breathing, obviously that's fine.

01:09:24.000 You know, I've heard some, I don't have a, I don't have an opinion on this either, but if you're going and I've heard Christians say yoga is a gateway to this stuff.

01:09:31.000 But if you're going, it can be, absolutely can be.

01:09:33.000 If you're going to yoga and you're following along with the more spiritual practices of it, then yes, that's obviously not Christian. 0.75

01:09:40.000 Because there is a spiritual element that can beat the yoga.

01:09:45.000 And so What is the consequence of not being on your guard as it says in 1 Peter?

01:09:53.000 Satan roams the earth like a lion looking for those to devour.

01:09:56.000 So the consequences are.

01:09:58.000 And this is stuff you and I agree on as a Catholic and as a stuff where you don't know what you're inviting in.

01:10:05.000 You don't know what you're involved in.

01:10:06.000 It's more than just Ouija.

01:10:07.000 It could be a TV show.

01:10:08.000 It can be insights.

01:10:10.000 It can be chants.

01:10:11.000 It could be this is fun.

01:10:13.000 This is what, you know, this is real stuff.

01:10:15.000 It's like, this is not.

01:10:16.000 So you're exposing yourself to things.

01:10:19.000 Rand, if you're not coming to it from a Christian basis, if you're not making sure that you are completely tied to that, then you don't know.

01:10:28.000 Read the screw tape letters, right?

01:10:29.000 That's probably the greatest example I can say of this.

01:10:31.000 Just read the screw tape letters, understand how the demonic works, how it's not, you know, it's not a little guy with a pitchfork and hooves and, you know, horns on the head, right?

01:10:41.000 It's, it's a whisper in your ear.

01:10:43.000 It's a whisper in your ear that says, this doesn't matter.

01:10:45.000 Just come on.

01:10:46.000 Even the snake, right?

01:10:47.000 It's just eat the apple.

01:10:49.000 Just go ahead and eat the apple.

01:10:50.000 You'll be fine.

01:10:50.000 Don't worry about it.

01:10:51.000 Indulge in your flesh.

01:10:52.000 Indulge.

01:10:53.000 Yes.

01:10:53.000 So Satan tries to diminish the promises of God, the protection of God, and the provision of God.

01:11:00.000 Those are the three P's that Satan tries to attack.

01:11:03.000 And I am getting a lot of emails from people.

01:11:05.000 Charlie, the spiritual warfare is worse than ever before.

01:11:08.000 Remember, Satan cannot go after your heart.

01:11:10.000 Therefore, he tries to go after your mind.

01:11:12.000 Remember, Satan doesn't create evil.

01:11:14.000 Satan is the absence of God.

01:11:16.000 Satan wants to pull you. 0.57

01:11:18.000 The usurper, the rebel, the treacher, the serpent, the divider.

01:11:23.000 I could go on.

01:11:24.000 Thankfully, he wants to trick you.

01:11:26.000 Victory.

01:11:26.000 And we have victory in Christ all day long.

01:11:28.000 And Jack and I can agree on that.

01:11:32.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

01:11:34.000 Email us your thoughts.

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01:11:37.000 God bless you guys.

01:11:38.000 Thank you for listening.

01:11:39.000 Talk to you soon.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 18, 2021

Ask Charlie Anything 83: Inside the Shade War Between Joe and Kamala with Jack Posobiec

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