The Charlie Kirk Show - Ask Charlie Anything About The Trump Indictment: Is Anything Non-Political? Winning 2024? Why Indict Now?

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00:00:01.000 Ask Me Anything episode.

00:00:02.000 Questions about Trump indictment.

00:00:03.000 Does it have anything to do the timing?

00:00:05.000 What is Trump actually being charged for?

00:00:07.000 34 count indictment and more.

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00:01:08.000 Let's go to this one.

00:01:09.000 Charlie, did you see Jonathan Turley's take on Donald Trump's indictment?

00:01:13.000 I thought it was excellent.

00:01:14.000 I agree.

00:01:15.000 I thought it was excellent as well.

00:01:16.000 There's a couple of them.

00:01:17.000 Let's play this.

00:01:19.000 And then I also want to respond to something that I was saying earlier in our conversation with Michael Malice.

00:01:23.000 Let's go to Cut 99.

00:01:26.000 It's historic.

00:01:26.000 It's not necessarily good history that is being made.

00:01:31.000 It's not that I oppose the indictment of a former president.

00:01:35.000 I don't even oppose the indictment of a sitting president on constitutional basis.

00:01:40.000 But this indictment, if it is reportedly following the theory that we've been talking about, is political.

00:01:48.000 It's a raw political prosecution.

00:01:51.000 I think it's rather outrageous. 0.98

00:01:52.000 I think it's legally pathetic. 0.93

00:01:55.000 I have a thing to add on to it. 0.89

00:01:57.000 Of course, it's political, but almost everything we do right now is political.

00:02:02.000 Where we eat is political.

00:02:03.000 Where we bank is political.

00:02:05.000 Where we go to church is political.

00:02:07.000 Why would we think all of a sudden our indictments are somehow outside of politics?

00:02:12.000 Can you show me any, I'm not saying this is a good thing, but can you show me anything meaningful that has power in America that has not become political?

00:02:22.000 And this is largely because politics has become the place of purpose for many people.

00:02:27.000 As religion declines, politics starts to matter more and more. 0.92

00:02:32.000 So as politics start to matter more and more, all the institutions then get simultaneously captured by these, this kind of pathogen of politics.

00:02:43.000 And so banking, restaurants, sports.

00:02:49.000 And so why would we think that the prosecutor's office would be immune to that?

00:02:54.000 The reason we should think that, though, is that the rule of law is supposed to not be impacted.

00:02:59.000 It's supposed to be blind.

00:03:00.000 That is why the statue of lady justice is supposed to be blind, blind to bias, blind to any sort of incentives.

00:03:10.000 It's just supposed to be, what does the law say? 0.92

00:03:12.000 Equal justice under the law.

00:03:14.000 That is that promise of human equality.

00:03:17.000 And in a time and a place where New York starts to collapse and we have anarchy on the streets, literally, violent crime up, and many felonies are being downgraded as misdemeanors, they are upgrading a misdemeanor to a felony.

00:03:31.000 So the trend is to go down from felonies to misdemeanors on all violent crime, and yet they go up from misdemeanor to felony on a paperwork issue that is so convoluted.

00:03:43.000 It's so it's not even novel.

00:03:46.000 It is exotic, as Maggie Haberman would say.

00:03:49.000 People are refusing to even go ride on a subway in New York City.

00:03:52.000 People say, I don't want to do that.

00:03:53.000 I don't want to ride on a subway.

00:03:56.000 And so we've said this term many times before, and I'm looking for the actual original essay that I could read part of it because it's so good.

00:04:03.000 It's anarcho-tyranny by Sam Francis.

00:04:06.000 He wrote it in the 1990s.

00:04:08.000 And he coined the term anarcho-tyran tyranny, where he said it refers to an armed dictatorship without the rule of law or a Hegelian synthesis where the state tyrannically or oppressively regulates human behavior, right?

00:04:28.000 Regulates citizens' lives, yet is unable or unwilling to enforce fundamental protective law.

00:04:34.000 So we have no fundamental protective measures of walking down the street, you can get raped, arson, and all that, but they will use force to go after political dissidents.

00:04:44.000 Alvin Bragg lowered 52% of criminal charges in New York City last year to misdemeanors, half.

00:04:54.000 He went over, bent over backwards to legally raise the charges against Trump to a felony.

00:04:58.000 And so that is what anarcho-tyranny, in a nutshell, that it goes up in one direction.

00:05:05.000 Okay, let's continue with Jonathan Turley, play cut 100.

00:05:09.000 A rather ignoble moment in history.

00:05:11.000 Donald Trump may be the first former president to be indicted, but if this is the standard, he won't be the last.

00:05:19.000 And it's going to obviously get very fierce in terms of the motions and the litigation ahead of us and obviously the politics.

00:05:30.000 You know, it's a curious thing, by the way, to lead with this case because the chaos that is erupting is pretty much the element for Donald Trump.

00:05:41.000 I mean, it's like trying to kill an orca by throwing him into the water.

00:05:45.000 And that's a good segue to a dialogue I had with Michael Malice.

00:05:49.000 And it was interesting.

00:05:50.000 I have a lot of respect for Michael.

00:05:51.000 It's just we had like an hour and a half of a show all about kind of rallying the troops all.

00:05:55.000 It wasn't exactly in the mindset for a debate.

00:05:58.000 So it went a little clumsier than I would have liked.

00:06:00.000 But the essence of what he's saying is interesting and is important to comment on.

00:06:04.000 And actually, some of you resonated where he said, listen, don't take this indictment lightly.

00:06:07.000 Obviously, we don't, that Donald Trump, there's no guarantee he'll be the nominee.

00:06:11.000 I think that's almost, I think this almost guarantees he'll be the nominee.

00:06:14.000 And basically his argument, I think, is an interesting one, where he says that, well, look, the Republican establishment is going to try to throw every measure, everything they can.

00:06:21.000 I just happen to know the inner workings of the RNC far too well.

00:06:26.000 These people are actually really, really weak.

00:06:28.000 Donald Trump just steamrolls them.

00:06:30.000 Now, if it was the Democrat Party, I totally agree with that.

00:06:33.000 It just so happens, like if the Republican Party was actually as, let's just say, strong as you might think they are, they would have prevented Trump from being the nominee in 2016.

00:06:46.000 So, and Trump is only stronger than he was now in 2023, 2024 than he was in 15 or 16.

00:06:53.000 And let me tell you why.

00:06:54.000 I mean, Donald Trump's small dollar donor base.

00:06:57.000 Trump had no small dollar donors in 16.

00:06:59.000 It was just a dude with a plane and he put his own money in and a hat and he still won the nomination.

00:07:04.000 And now he's even more popular, better known.

00:07:07.000 Remember, Donald Trump won the nomination in 2016 with like 30 to 40% of the vote because there were so many candidates.

00:07:15.000 And he has probably 50 to 60% of the vote, and he still had any of his big donors.

00:07:21.000 He had no campaign team.

00:07:22.000 It was like 10 or 12 people.

00:07:24.000 But I think the point is well taken.

00:07:26.000 I think the point is interesting.

00:07:28.000 I just don't see any evidence of it.

00:07:30.000 Okay, so this is interesting.

00:07:32.000 Charlie, why is it that Donald Trump faces 34 counts?

00:07:36.000 That sounds really serious.

00:07:38.000 This is Leonard from Massachusetts.

00:07:41.000 So you can actually intentionally string out an indictment to have more counts.

00:07:47.000 It's called charge stacking.

00:07:49.000 So what's the best way I can give an example of this?

00:07:54.000 Let's just think of a crime that we're all familiar with.

00:07:58.000 Murder, arson, or even some more popular ones, right?

00:08:03.000 Like the Alex Murdoch case in South Carolina that received a lot of attention.

00:08:08.000 The crux is murder, right?

00:08:10.000 That's the crux of it.

00:08:11.000 But you could then do a 40-count indictment by expanding all the particular angles of the criminal code that he might have violated.

00:08:20.000 Lying under oath, destruction of evidence is a big one, right?

00:08:26.000 Misleading official, all sort of procedural and process stuff.

00:08:30.000 So it makes it seem as if it's a much bigger deal than it really is.

00:08:35.000 And by the way, this is all hearsay and rumor up to this point.

00:08:38.000 So they're hearing 34 counts, and I guarantee you, 34 counts when we find out next week.

00:08:43.000 And this, I'm actually just reading this right now.

00:08:46.000 They think it's going to be 34 counts, but it literally is just 34 pieces of paper.

00:08:49.000 It's just one crux of a thing.

00:08:51.000 They're doing this for a PR win.

00:08:53.000 It's purely for public relations.

00:08:55.000 There is no other reason for this other than to try to make it seem it's bigger than it actually is.

00:09:01.000 So it's not that he committed 34 crimes or he has 34 different bodies buried.

00:09:08.000 They always are trying to frame things in the worst light.

00:09:11.000 So here's a good example.

00:09:12.000 If you're char or you're accused of fraud and a fraud scheme involved, let's say 10 different phone calls, they could charge you for every single phone call.

00:09:21.000 Or, for example, they could say that for every check he wrote to Cohen, it is a charge.

00:09:26.000 Now, a good judge will then drop these indictments or he will put them together into one. 0.91

00:09:34.000 A good judge will say, okay, you guys are being insane.

00:09:37.000 Okay. 0.86

00:09:38.000 It was 34 counts.

00:09:39.000 Let's bring this down to a five-count indictment.

00:09:41.000 And now, the counts of indictments matter because that matters.

00:09:45.000 They're going way wider than they have to.

00:09:47.000 Obviously, the fact that they go to 34 shows how desperate they really are.

00:09:51.000 If they had an actual crime, they would not have to go to 34 counts of an indictment.

00:09:56.000 If they had an actual crime against him, which they don't.

00:10:00.000 And the crux of their crime is that Donald Trump paid a hush money payment, even though it came from Michael Cohen's account.

00:10:05.000 What witness are they going to call to the stand here?

00:10:08.000 No, this is a show trial.

00:10:09.000 They're going to enjoy this.

00:10:10.000 Remember, this is the same venue that went after D'Souza, went after Bannon, went after O'Keefe, going after Giuliani.

00:10:16.000 The same jurisdiction here.

00:10:18.000 And there is no way to hold them accountable except we using political powers ourselves.

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00:14:08.000 Seems the volume of emails we're receiving, the overwhelming majority, is all about the Trump deal.

00:14:16.000 So that's what we're going to focus on.

00:14:17.000 Charlie, why do you think they're indicting Trump now?

00:14:20.000 I'm afraid they're going to do this.

00:14:21.000 I think they're doing this try to distract from other stories.

00:14:24.000 I don't know if I agree with that.

00:14:25.000 It could be.

00:14:27.000 It's possible.

00:14:28.000 I mean, I never put anything past these people.

00:14:29.000 What I think is more likely is Alvin Bragg, he came up with a strategy, it seems, to make it seem like they were closing the grand jury.

00:14:43.000 They leaked it and they said, oh, the grand jury is taking off for Ramadan, as if that should just give you a little idea who's on the jury.

00:14:51.000 And that's fine.

00:14:52.000 I mean, whatever.

00:14:54.000 I'm not sure if they'd be pro-Trump or anti-Trump.

00:14:56.000 There's a fair amount of anti-Trump in the Islamic community and all communities, so who knows?

00:15:01.000 And so anyway, they say you're taking off for Ramadan.

00:15:03.000 I was like, really strange.

00:15:04.000 Like, okay, that's a weird way to put it.

00:15:07.000 And they, then out of nowhere, they dropped the indictment.

00:15:11.000 Now, why they decided to drop it when they dropped it, I'm not sure.

00:15:15.000 I'm not really sure who's orchestrating it.

00:15:16.000 I don't know if there's any rhyme or reason for it.

00:15:19.000 Or is it that just Alvin Bragg just said, you know what?

00:15:21.000 We got it.

00:15:22.000 Let's go for it.

00:15:23.000 And so it could be that they're trying to counter message against something else.

00:15:27.000 An email we're receiving a lot of, well, Charlie, are they trying to counter message against the trans shooter in Nashville?

00:15:33.000 I don't think those two things are related.

00:15:35.000 Could be.

00:15:35.000 Could be a messaging thing to try to keep your eye off the ball on one thing.

00:15:39.000 I doubt it.

00:15:41.000 Okay, let's go to another piece of tape here about the indictment.

00:15:45.000 Yeah, this kind of goes to the count of indictment here.

00:15:47.000 Let's go to Cut 101.

00:15:48.000 They say he's going to face a 34-count indictment, Play Cut 101.

00:15:52.000 And I am told by my sources that this is 34 counts, a falsification of business records, which is probably a lot of charges involving each document, each thing that was submitted as a separate count in a couple of matters.

00:16:08.000 Now, remember, the media has been calling this for quite some time.

00:16:10.000 Cut 103.

00:16:11.000 For six years, the media has been calling for an indictment of Donald Trump.

00:16:14.000 Play Cut 103.

00:16:16.000 Democrats have recently voted to advance articles of impeachment.

00:16:20.000 Impeach him first and then indict him.

00:16:21.000 Yes, the president, a sitting president, can be indicted.

00:16:25.000 You're starting to hear people talk about the possibility that Donald Trump leaves office in two years and then finds himself in the crosshairs of these New York prosecutors.

00:16:33.000 This sitting president can and should be indicted.

00:16:36.000 The only thing worse than indicting him would be not indicting him.

00:16:41.000 What?

00:16:42.000 By the way, in that is Michael Avenatti, who is in jail now.

00:16:46.000 And I'm sure he's having a great time.

00:16:49.000 I don't know.

00:16:49.000 Does he have TV privileges in prison?

00:16:52.000 Not sure.

00:16:53.000 Trump's attorney is saying the former president will not take a plea deal if this case goes to trial, play cut 118.

00:16:58.000 Do you expect this to go to trial?

00:17:00.000 Do you see any scenario in which you or the former president would take a plea deal?

00:17:04.000 Zero, zero.

00:17:06.000 First of all, I'm not taking a plea deal to anything, but President Trump will not take a plea deal in this case.

00:17:11.000 It's not going to happen.

00:17:11.000 There's no crime.

00:17:12.000 I don't know if it's going to make the trial because we have substantial legal challenges that we have to front before we get to that point.

00:17:19.000 I like this lawyer, by the way.

00:17:20.000 I think he's a clear thinker.

00:17:22.000 He's good.

00:17:23.000 I think he's good on TV.

00:17:24.000 He comes across as a tough bulldog.

00:17:26.000 I think that's a good idea.

00:17:27.000 I've been some of the attorneys Trump puts on TV sometimes.

00:17:31.000 I'm like, I'm not sure if that's the right place or right time.

00:17:33.000 All sweet people.

00:17:34.000 I mean, but that guy, he looks like someone who's going to go into the trenches and knife fight you in a legal way, obviously.

00:17:40.000 I mean, or maybe not.

00:17:41.000 He looks like he's, I wouldn't want to fight that guy anyway. 0.95

00:17:44.000 But he looks like a bulldog. 0.64

00:17:45.000 I like it.

00:17:45.000 I like the tone.

00:17:46.000 I like the tenacity.

00:17:49.000 I like it.

00:17:50.000 It's good.

00:17:51.000 And so another question here, Charlie, let's go here.

00:17:54.000 Charlie, the sooner you accept the fact that the Republican Party is no different than the Democrat Party, the better off you'll be.

00:17:59.000 They all want Trump gone.

00:18:01.000 You're truly one of my heroes.

00:18:02.000 I hope you realize this soon.

00:18:03.000 I believe you have one of the most best important voices in this fight.

00:18:06.000 I'm very grateful for everything you do.

00:18:07.000 God bless you, Charlie Kirk.

00:18:08.000 Thank you, Michael.

00:18:09.000 That really touches me.

00:18:10.000 I appreciate that.

00:18:11.000 Look, of course I know the Democrat and the Republican Party is basically indistinguishable.

00:18:15.000 Donald Trump, by the way, is one of the reasons that should give us hope that he's a different type of Republican.

00:18:21.000 The fact the Republican Unit Party hates him as much as they do should give you optimism that things can change.

00:18:28.000 Look, there is no easy way out of this.

00:18:30.000 Donald Trump's not automatically going to become president because of this.

00:18:34.000 I will stand by what I was saying, though.

00:18:35.000 I mean, I do think that he will be much more likely to get the nomination because the people run the Republican Party.

00:18:43.000 They just do.

00:18:43.000 The people run the Republican Party.

00:18:45.000 And if you just look at the states, I mean, yeah, there's some establishment people, but even the most establishment candidates try to go seek out Donald Trump's endorsement in some of these states.

00:18:55.000 Just go look at South Dakota, North Dakota, Kansas.

00:18:58.000 They fear what Donald Trump could do to them in those states.

00:19:01.000 Does it make him present?

00:19:02.000 Now, does that make him more likely to win the president?

00:19:05.000 That's an interesting question that I want to explore.

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00:20:14.000 What drives the indictment of Donald Trump?

00:20:17.000 What is the reason? 1.00

00:20:18.000 And the question was asked in good faith because I know some of you might say, oh, that's a stupid question. 0.99

00:20:22.000 And I really think it's white rich liberal syndrome. 0.99

00:20:26.000 This is not being driven by the activist class.

00:20:28.000 I can almost guarantee you, in fact, it would be a great video.

00:20:31.000 Benny Should Go Do It or Brandon Tatum.

00:20:33.000 If you go into the black communities of New York City and you ask them, they probably like, oh, we don't like Trump.

00:20:40.000 But like, really?

00:20:41.000 We have problems here.

00:20:42.000 This is not being driven by that.

00:20:44.000 Alvin Bragg is pandering to white liberals on the Upper East Side.

00:20:50.000 That's what this is.

00:20:52.000 This is a petty and personal thing for people that are super rich, where crime does not impact them because they have chauffeured cars and they would never take the subway, or they live in a building with a doorman 24-7, right?

00:21:08.000 The impact of New York becoming a third world dystopia does not impact them.

00:21:13.000 These are investment banker wives, right?

00:21:16.000 And we've all seen it.

00:21:18.000 We kind of know the archetype.

00:21:19.000 Well, you haven't all seen it, but those of you that have spent time in New York and high society, you kind of know what I'm talking about here.

00:21:24.000 And that's what's so frustrating is that so much of our politics is being driven by rich white liberals.

00:21:32.000 These are the people that have those signs that in this house we believe.

00:21:36.000 Can you please put that sign back up?

00:21:37.000 I can never remember.

00:21:38.000 In this house, we believe that science is real and love is love and justice.

00:21:42.000 Children should be able to chop off their parts. 1.00

00:21:44.000 And Malcolm X, by the way, warned us about rich white liberals as the most dangerous people. 0.59

00:21:50.000 And I don't think he had rich.

00:21:51.000 I just think he said white liberal.

00:21:52.000 That's right.

00:21:53.000 The sign is we believe that black lives matter.

00:21:55.000 No human is illegal.

00:21:56.000 Love is love. 0.99

00:21:56.000 Women's rights are human's rights. 0.99

00:21:58.000 Science is real. 0.99

00:21:58.000 Water is life. 0.99

00:21:59.000 And injustice is injustice somewhere is an injustice everywhere.

00:22:03.000 Or kind.

00:22:04.000 Yeah, they have different versions of this.

00:22:07.000 And I think it's important to note that.

00:22:10.000 And I think that a winning political message, not for Donald Trump, because I don't think Trump could pull this off, honestly, but somebody in the future is going to run a very successful political campaign against rich white liberals.

00:22:24.000 They are so sensitive.

00:22:25.000 They're so paranoid.

00:22:27.000 They run so many of our institutions.

00:22:29.000 They're so unlikable. 0.99

00:22:31.000 They're so nasty. 0.67

00:22:34.000 By the way, the last line is: injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

00:22:38.000 Sorry, it was too small to see on the other one.

00:22:42.000 By the way, there's a Chinese word for it called Baiza O, called the white left.

00:22:49.000 White liberals who are secular find their meaning in these one-off cocktail party vengeance campaigns. 0.94

00:22:58.000 The muscular class, blacks and Hispanics, especially in New York, they're not the one. 1.00

00:23:03.000 If you're going to see any protesters of this, right, in favor of this, which by the way, they're all probably paid. 1.00

00:23:08.000 It's pathetic. 0.89

00:23:09.000 If you look at the commentary outside of Alexandria Acasio-Cortez, who by the AOC positions herself as a working class Hispanic, but in reality, she acts and talks and thinks like a spoiled rich girl from Greenwich. 0.98

00:23:22.000 That's how she acts, right? 1.00

00:23:23.000 She doesn't fight for working people. 0.95

00:23:25.000 The pink hat platoons.

00:23:27.000 And so I have a real problem with this because I do not think our politics should be driven by people that do not have the skin in the game and appropriate and act as if they're fighting for the people that are quote unquote disadvantaged.

00:23:41.000 And so if you want to kind of go after a group that Matt makes me more angry than any other group, and this is why it's so funny, is people say, oh, you know, you right-wingers are racist.

00:23:50.000 How could we be racist? 0.77

00:23:51.000 The group we hate the most are rich white liberals. 1.00

00:23:55.000 They are, they're terrible. 1.00

00:23:57.000 They're awful. 1.00

00:23:58.000 And by the way, we don't hate them because of the color of their skin. 0.99

00:24:00.000 It just so happens that because they have white guilt, they act in really, really strange ways. 1.00

00:24:07.000 And it's awful, by the way, AWFL, angry white female liberal. 0.96

00:24:11.000 There's nothing quite like it in American society right now. 0.99

00:24:15.000 Okay, so just wide up to, is it angry or affluent?

00:24:19.000 It's this name.

00:24:20.000 Angry affluent.

00:24:21.000 So you could say AAWFL.

00:24:24.000 Both work.

00:24:24.000 They're interchangeable.

00:24:26.000 Angry, affluent, white, liberal, female. 0.98

00:24:30.000 Right there.

00:24:32.000 Okay, so let's get to kind of another question.

00:24:34.000 It's electability.

00:24:35.000 So is Trump electable?

00:24:36.000 Anybody's electable.

00:24:37.000 John Fetterman is electable.

00:24:39.000 I'm concerned we have not done the proper work in the red states to fix our elections.

00:24:44.000 I'm afraid we've gotten our eye off the ball, and it seems if it's such a disorganized effort.

00:24:48.000 I'll just be very honest.

00:24:49.000 But also, we need to have a robust ballot chasing operation in the early voting periods in Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin.

00:24:57.000 If we even did 10 to 20% of this, we can win.

00:25:00.000 Remember, Donald Trump only lost, I put in air quotes, by 100,000 votes in five states, and it was really 60,000 votes.

00:25:07.000 It was 10,000 in Arizona.

00:25:09.000 It was 9,000 in Georgia, and it was like 20,000 in Wisconsin.

00:25:12.000 That's right there.

00:25:13.000 That's right on the margins.

00:25:14.000 And by the way, that's with the make-it-stop election of 2020.

00:25:18.000 The make-it-stop election of 2020 is when they waterboarded the entire country.

00:25:22.000 Floyda Palooza burning in the streets, COVID, masks, vaccines, lockdowns, absolutely massive record turnout in 2020, unregulated mass mail-in ballots, Zuckerboxes.

00:25:33.000 I believe the Democrat regime is a little bit nervous.

00:25:37.000 They're not going to be able to replicate the coup d'état they pulled off in 2020.

00:25:41.000 2020 was a masterpiece, and we let them do it.

00:25:44.000 And we were so naive.

00:25:46.000 Honestly, we were not on this program, but so many people were so naive with the lockdowns and the trillions of dollars of spending.

00:25:53.000 And it was Zuckerberg coming in with Center for Technology and Civic Life.

00:25:57.000 And honestly, three years later, I think we're hardened in a more significant way.

00:26:02.000 I think they're very, very worried that abortion is not going to be as hot a thing as it was with Roe versus Wade.

00:26:09.000 So they need to kind of figure out how they're going to do this.

00:26:13.000 And the indictment of Trump, they think plays into it.

00:26:15.000 Now, a separate strategy here that we've gotten a few emails on.

00:26:19.000 Let me read this one that I have saved.

00:26:22.000 This one right here from Maggie.

00:26:24.000 Charlie, I'm afraid that them indicting Trump is them actually choosing Trump as the nominee.

00:26:30.000 It's election interference by different means.

00:26:32.000 They think they could beat Trump.

00:26:34.000 I happen to agree.

00:26:35.000 I love Trump.

00:26:36.000 I'll support him.

00:26:37.000 But I'm afraid he can't win a general.

00:26:39.000 And I think the left agrees.

00:26:40.000 That's interesting.

00:26:41.000 I don't know if the Democrats are doing this.

00:26:43.000 I don't know if they're that centralized and that they might be.

00:26:47.000 I have no evidence of it.

00:26:48.000 It wouldn't shock me.

00:26:49.000 But there is a consensus belief.

00:26:53.000 And by the way, they're saying this on CNN, not consensus.

00:26:56.000 There is a growing belief.

00:26:56.000 They're saying this on CNN and other places that, hey, Trump is easier to beat than maybe DeSantis.

00:27:03.000 And if we indict him, he'll only get more popular.

00:27:07.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a more complex explanation than a simple one, where the simple one is probably they just hate Donald Trump and they're petty and they're personal and they're really, really mad that he won the 2016 election.

00:27:19.000 Now, we do know that Donald Trump can win the general election for three reasons.

00:27:23.000 And again, I've said this on this program before, and I just think it's, I just have to, I always just kind of throw up my arms.

00:27:29.000 When someone says he can't win, now, saying it will be hard for him to win, I totally agree.

00:27:35.000 It is a challenge.

00:27:36.000 The Democrats are the favorites to win the White House in 2024.

00:27:40.000 They understand early voting.

00:27:41.000 They're willing to cheat. 0.99

00:27:42.000 They're outright frauds and criminals. 0.93

00:27:44.000 They're going to raise a bunch of money.

00:27:46.000 Challenge versus can't are two different things.

00:27:48.000 You have to be very specific in your language.

00:27:51.000 And then there's other people that say, oh, Trump's going to automatically win in a landslide.

00:27:54.000 Yeah, that's deeply unhelpful.

00:27:57.000 Okay.

00:27:58.000 In fact, I think it's actively harming our cause to just say, we're going to win in a landslide.

00:28:03.000 Get out.

00:28:04.000 Okay.

00:28:04.000 Go to work.

00:28:05.000 But when they say he can't win, there's just three points that I think are important.

00:28:09.000 Now, I would say, if Joe Biden runs, I'd put Joe Biden at the 70 to 80% favorite.

00:28:14.000 I'll just be honest.

00:28:15.000 Like, that's, if I had to kind of do the Vegas betting odds, you might say, well, Charlie, how's that possible?

00:28:19.000 The country is in bad shape. 0.96

00:28:21.000 We have not proven we can win close elections, first of all, with this RNC, who's totally incompetent and corrupt.

00:28:27.000 Secondly, with all these different voting measures that are still in place.

00:28:30.000 Now, is it possible?

00:28:31.000 Yeah.

00:28:32.000 So here's why it's possible.

00:28:34.000 He's been president before. 0.87

00:28:37.000 Anyone who's been president before, who then has to be criticized that you can't win the White House again, that's a very silly argument. 0.86

00:28:44.000 Okay.

00:28:45.000 It just, of course, it's possible.

00:28:46.000 He's been sworn in.

00:28:47.000 He's served four years.

00:28:49.000 Okay.

00:28:49.000 The second is, yes, Biden is unpopular.

00:28:52.000 The third is that we're more privy to their vote rigging scheme.

00:28:56.000 And hopefully we do something about chasing ballots and early voting and ethical voting and all these sorts of things and voter integrity.

00:29:05.000 I hope that's the case. 0.91

00:29:06.000 Now, the downside of Trump being the nominee, right, which he almost assuredly will be after all this crap, is that there's almost nobody undecided about Trump. 0.94

00:29:16.000 And all the Democrats have to do is just nonstop chase ballots. 0.90

00:29:20.000 All their money will be spent on Democrat activation, getting independents to go to their side and to vote and to go find the ballots.

00:29:29.000 But with a little bit of ballot chasing on our side done ethically, legally, and above board, obviously, unlike the Democrats, who are a bunch of cheater, fraud, and criminals, they use mules and they pay people to illegally harvest ballots.

00:29:39.000 We're talking about ballot chasing, which is something very technically legally different.

00:29:43.000 That the Democrats are going to look at 2024 and they're going to say, listen, yeah, the economy is terrible, but do we really want another four years of Trump?

00:29:54.000 And I don't know if that will work.

00:29:55.000 I mean, I have no idea.

00:29:57.000 But less than that, the process and the machinery of the elections matters far more, in my personal opinion, than the actual messaging of the elections.

00:30:10.000 That the machinery and the inner workings, and my exhibit A of this is John Fetterman.

00:30:16.000 If John Fetterman is able to become a U.S. senator, who I do not even know if he is sentient right now, I don't say that jokingly.

00:30:24.000 We have not heard a speech from John Fetterman.

00:30:26.000 We get these like proof of life pictures from Fetterman every six weeks.

00:30:30.000 It's really weird.

00:30:31.000 Like every six weeks, we get a picture of like emaciated John Fetterman, like pretending to read a piece of paper in shorts and a sweatshirt.

00:30:38.000 It's like, oh, no, he's perfectly fine.

00:30:40.000 It's like Kim John Un, like every nine months, we get a picture from him.

00:30:44.000 Stop asking questions.

00:30:45.000 It's all good.

00:30:46.000 It's really strange.

00:30:47.000 If he can become a U.S. senator against an eminently qualified doctor, you might not have liked Dr. Oz's politics.

00:30:53.000 I certainly had some disagreements.

00:30:54.000 I wish he would have won.

00:30:55.000 He would have been a great senator. 0.98

00:30:56.000 But no one can say that Oz is dumb. 0.96

00:30:58.000 He's high, high capacity, high IQ, super smart. 0.94

00:31:02.000 He would have been a fabulous senator.

00:31:04.000 And you got John Fetterman, who, yeah, I mean, Dr. Oz is very high achieving.

00:31:08.000 That's a really good way to put it.

00:31:09.000 Fetterman never achieved anything in his life.

00:31:11.000 He's a trust fund kid, who we do not even know if he's sentient at this period of time.

00:31:15.000 If he is, then prove me wrong.

00:31:16.000 I mean, that's fine.

00:31:17.000 He ruined a small town in Pennsylvania.

00:31:19.000 He appropriates the MAGA look, and now he's a senator.

00:31:23.000 Is he, I think he's alive.

00:31:24.000 I think that's probably fair to say.

00:31:26.000 We just don't know if he's sentient right now.

00:31:27.000 We just don't know if he's able to have conversations, process information, and actually do the work of a U.S. senator.

00:31:33.000 That guy can actually become a senator, then it's all about machinery.

00:31:40.000 Reports are saying Fetterman plans to return to the Senate the week of April 17th after more than a month of inpatient treatment for depression, according to two people with direct knowledge of the plan.

00:31:51.000 I'm really glad he's going to go, you know, re-grace our efforts.

00:31:54.000 I mean, for the voters that voted for this in the awful, the affluent white female liberals in the mainline in kind of Hawaii and the suburbs of Philadelphia, are you not even the least bit ashamed?

00:32:05.000 No, they're not.

00:32:06.000 They're not.

00:32:08.000 Anybody, this is an open offer.

00:32:10.000 If you could do an in-depth psychological analysis of suburban wine moms and write it into a book, that would be very helpful for me.

00:32:21.000 Somebody emailed us.

00:32:22.000 They said, Charlie, you're taking eye off the ball.

00:32:24.000 It's BLM, World Economic Forum, globalism, trans stuff. 0.95

00:32:27.000 Don't get distracted by this Trump indictment.

00:32:30.000 First of all, we're not getting distracted.

00:32:32.000 We're focusing.

00:32:33.000 I think there's a difference between distraction and focus.

00:32:36.000 All those things are still huge threats.

00:32:39.000 They just did something that has never happened in American history, period.

00:32:43.000 And that there will be ample time to continue into all those other topics.

00:32:46.000 And also talk about how those topics connect to these, which I think is also equally very important.

00:32:52.000 I do want to talk about this.

00:32:53.000 Gavin Newsom has launched a new effort to try to unify Democrat states.

00:32:58.000 Of course, this is a launch pad for him for the presidency because he's saying, I'm not doing this because I'm running for president.

00:33:03.000 If Joe Biden doesn't shake out currently, why wouldn't they run Joe Biden, right?

00:33:06.000 It's the Federman model.

00:33:08.000 He's super low maintenance.

00:33:10.000 He's already been vetted in the sense that he's been attacked from every direction and hasn't been indicted.

00:33:14.000 So you don't have to worry about that.

00:33:16.000 You know what you're getting.

00:33:17.000 He's completely malleable and controllable.

00:33:19.000 And he doesn't have to campaign because he's president.

00:33:21.000 He'll just run the, they're not going to run the campaign from the basement.

00:33:24.000 They'll just run the campaign from the Oval Office.

00:33:26.000 And plus, he gets taxpayer-funded travel everywhere he goes.

00:33:30.000 So it's like a huge advantage.

00:33:32.000 Why wouldn't you run an incumbent, right?

00:33:34.000 Okay, so Gavin Newsom is launching a new political organization that will take Democrats, that will take the Democrat to red states, that will take that, so it doesn't make any sense.

00:33:41.000 The Washington Post can't write, that will take the Democrat.

00:33:45.000 They're talking about Gavin Newsom.

00:33:46.000 It's really weird grammar.

00:33:48.000 They'll take Gavin Newsom to red states across the country as he pushes back against restrictive abortion laws, loosened gun regulations, curriculum restrictions, and other initiatives Republican elected officials are spearheading.

00:34:00.000 That's what they're calling it now, curriculum restrictions. 0.93

00:34:02.000 Not having eight-year-olds learn how to do anal sex is curriculum restrictions. 0.96

00:34:09.000 The people that I always laugh, the Democrats, the ones that are literally indicting Donald Trump over sex, are the ones that are really worried that eight-year-olds can't learn about the most graphic things you could imagine. 0.98

00:34:26.000 So Gavin Newsom thinks he's been a great governor.

00:34:30.000 Play Cut 81.

00:34:31.000 California is currently pushing ahead with state-sanctioned kidnapping bill.

00:34:35.000 No joke, this is a kidnapping bill that allows therapists to take children as young as 12 from their parents.notice.

00:34:40.000 Play Cut 81.

00:34:41.000 California parents, horrified after Democrats in the state push a new bill that gives therapists the power to take children as young as 12 years old away from their homes and allow them to enroll in mental health facilities without any parental consent.

00:34:57.000 That means that a child who goes to a school counselor and says that they are transgender and that their parent won't support them, that child can be whisked off to an LGBTQ community facility and not come home from school that day.

00:35:14.000 It is actually a kidnapping bill.

00:35:16.000 Gavin Newsom is running on this and he says, we're going to bring this across the country.

00:35:21.000 We're going to make this a massive, massive thing.

00:35:25.000 Now, it's important to remember Gavin Newsom in this statement, he says, Newsom is meeting in Alabama with Brian Stevenson, a lawyer who's the founder and executive director of Equal Justice Initiative, to discuss Stevenson's work fighting inequities in Alabama criminal justice system.

00:35:42.000 The left never has believed in federalism or state rights ever.

00:35:47.000 They use it as a temporary excuse to try to make their anarcho-tyranny possible.

00:35:51.000 Right now, despite the fact that this is a great example, despite the fact that every single corporation has basically embraced the trans thing, the trans people are saying there's transphobes everywhere. 0.70

00:36:02.000 There's people out to try to kill us. 0.96

00:36:04.000 These people are colonialists.

00:36:06.000 It's really important to remember that a pattern of behavior that is embedded in the Democrat Party is the same as the king of Spain or any kind of colonist that says, I want that territory.

00:36:22.000 They are bothered almost the same way that a missionary would be compelled.

00:36:26.000 This is very important.

00:36:27.000 The same way that churches will sit and pray and say, we are bothered that somebody in the deep jungles of Papua New Guinea does not know the Lord.

00:36:35.000 By the way, that's an admirable concern.

00:36:38.000 The same way that a pastor might believe that, a trans activist right now in Montecito is meeting and they say, I'm really bothered that somebody in Kiakuk, Iowa thinks that there's only two genders.

00:36:55.000 That same missionary fervor that spread the gospel all over the world has now found itself into the trans world where they will not stop. 0.96

00:37:04.000 And the difference is they're not trying to persuade you.

00:37:07.000 They're trying to force you.

00:37:08.000 They don't want equality.

00:37:09.000 They want privileges.

00:37:11.000 Big difference.

00:37:14.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:37:16.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:19.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

00:37:24.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 03, 2023

Ask Charlie Anything About The Trump Indictment: Is Anything Non-Political? Winning 2024? Why Indict Now?

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